Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 6:25pm:

freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 6:20pm: Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 6:17pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 6:13pm: Quote: Not one would I kill. Would you get someone else to do the killing for you? Or use your special mind control skills to get the Israeli's to voluntarily destroy Israel? No.....I am moving the State of Israel.....killing no-one. And what if the state of Israel tells you to get f'd? Back to the drawing board? The West withdraws its financial, trade and military support.  Then the chips fall where they fall and the State of Israel fends for itself.

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 7:43pm:

Quote: So in the interests of world peace, you want to use trade sanctions etc to cripple a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards places on earth so the Muslims can ride in on their camels and slaughter them - just so you can prove what a peacemaker you are by letting the refugees that escape settle in Tassie? I'd do whatever was necessary on a diplomatic etc basis to get the artificially created State of Israel out of there and into a place where the neighbours are friendly. If the citizens of the State of Israel refuse the generosity of Tasmania, then the consequence are theirs to deal with ON THEIR OWN. Make bed, lie in it.

So your idea of crippling them with trade sanctions and giving the Muslims licence to start the rape and pillage again is actually them "making their own bed"?


Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 6:42pm:

Quote: Well there will be joyous goose stepping all over the place by filthy fkking socialist scum wouldn't there; the final solution carried out by the muslims. And why should we a stuff give.  The State of Israel and those who want to be citizens of it are safely in Tasmania.  Those in that neck of the woods can get back to doing what they have been doing for centuries, fighting each other over something or other. Arabia is for Arabs, not the State of Israel.

Gawd....the THIRD Thread on the same issue.

Don't over complicate a very simple issue, Effendi.  The State of Israel gets moved to Tasmania.

Simple as that.  If what is left is some political vacuum or battleground.....I don't care.  The West continues its support for the State of Israel....in Tasmania.

So how many deaths on that battleground would it take to make you change your mind about this being a good idea for world peace? Would 1 million do it?

freediver wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 9:04pm:

So how many deaths on that battleground would it take to make you change your mind about this being a good idea for world peace? Would 1 million do it?

Not my problem.  If an existing citizen of that artificially created State of Israel, after it is moved to Tasmania, elects to stay where they are.....and stateless.......that is their bed to lie in.

How many times do you want me to say that before you actually 'get' it?

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 9:09pm:

freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:04pm: So how many deaths on that battleground would it take to make you change your mind about this being a good idea for world peace? Would 1 million do it? Not my problem.  If an existing citizen of that artificially created State of Israel, after it is moved to Tasmania, elects to stay where they are.....and stateless.......that is their bed to lie in. How many times do you want me to say that before you actually 'get' it?

How about ten million? Would you happily precipitate the slaughter of ten million Jews in order to bring about your final solution for world peace?

freediver wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 9:11pm:

Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:09pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:04pm: So how many deaths on that battleground would it take to make you change your mind about this being a good idea for world peace? Would 1 million do it? Not my problem.  If an existing citizen of that artificially created State of Israel, after it is moved to Tasmania, elects to stay where they are.....and stateless.......that is their bed to lie in. How many times do you want me to say that before you actually 'get' it? How about ten million? Would you happily precipitate the slaughter of ten million Jews in order to bring about your final solution for world peace?

If ten million citizens (or even one) elect to stay in a land stateless, meaningless, a landscape .....after the State of Israel was moved......yes, they made their bed, even if it be slaughter.

Horse/water.

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 9:29pm:

freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:11pm: Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:09pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:04pm: So how many deaths on that battleground would it take to make you change your mind about this being a good idea for world peace? Would 1 million do it? Not my problem.  If an existing citizen of that artificially created State of Israel, after it is moved to Tasmania, elects to stay where they are.....and stateless.......that is their bed to lie in. How many times do you want me to say that before you actually 'get' it? How about ten million? Would you happily precipitate the slaughter of ten million Jews in order to bring about your final solution for world peace? If ten million citizens (or even one) elect to stay in a land stateless, meaningless, a landscape .....after the State of Israel was moved......yes, they made their bed, even if it be slaughter. Horse/water.

And you think this is the path to peace?

Yes.

So Ozzy thinks slaughtering 10 million Jews is good for world peace.

Killing or moving all the Israelis from Israel to taswegia wouldn't even bring about peace in the middle east let alone in the whole world.

The Israelis aren't the problem the fkken sand monkeys are.

BigOl64 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 2:41am:

Killing or moving all the Israelis from Israel to taswegia wouldn't even bring about peace in the middle east let alone in the whole world. The Israelis aren't the problem the fkken sand monkeys are.

Just says it all doesnt it? Tell me - are you religious?

Spot

The Jews invented Religion in the Middle-East.

Then the Europeans 'stole it' via Christianity.

Mohommedism was invented to 'get it back' (like the true heir apparent).


That's right Yadda (Sprintcyclist & Co).
"Give the 'Ring' back" there's a good boy.

Already, Germany has 'broken' its cross (swastika) upon the Jews and 'failed' as a Christian (Religious) nation.
But as you can see, it is all the better for it.

Soon, it will be the 'French', then the Italians and finally the greatest 'Cross' bearer of them all ...Britain.
All guilty of using Religion to further their cause around the world.
All guilty of having 'stolen' Religion from the Middle-East.

All guilty of having eating from the Tree of Knowledge (Religion from the Middle-East) and knowing 'Life & Death'.
Now though, these nations (and peoples) eat from the Tree of Life (the New Worlds) and live forever ....all except Britain (they, unlike the Germans, French & Italians) - WILL DIE.


[Edit] So you see 'White Man'. You took the 'bait'. Your Alpha female made you 'fall' from the Garden ...of a World already 'at peace' and into the 'night' you all fell in shame to. Hence the 'stars' on your Flags. You renounced the 'One' God (Sun) above - the Giver of Life and you embraced ...the 'darkness'.

So here you are in Australia, where the Rainbow 'Serpent' resides  ;)

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 6:06am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 2:41am: Killing or moving all the Israelis from Israel to taswegia wouldn't even bring about peace in the middle east let alone in the whole world. The Israelis aren't the problem the fkken sand monkeys are. Just says it all doesnt it? Tell me - are you religious? Spot

It's absolutely terrible what bigol said in this thread, isn't it spot?

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 9:02pm:

Gawd....the THIRD Thread on the same issue. Don't over complicate a very simple issue, Effendi.  The State of Israel gets moved to Tasmania. Simple as that.  If what is left is some political vacuum or battleground.....I don't care.  The West continues its support for the State of Israel....in Tasmania.

Yes, but how do they cut out the land, Aussie? How do they ship it over?

Cheers.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 6:06am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 2:41am: Killing or moving all the Israelis from Israel to taswegia wouldn't even bring about peace in the middle east let alone in the whole world. The Israelis aren't the problem the fkken sand monkeys are. Just says it all doesnt it? Tell me - are you religious? Spot

Jeezus fkken christ, no


Only the mentally deficient believes in fairytales once they pass 6 yrs old.

Karnal wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 2:34pm:

Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:02pm: Gawd....the THIRD Thread on the same issue. Don't over complicate a very simple issue, Effendi.  The State of Israel gets moved to Tasmania. Simple as that.  If what is left is some political vacuum or battleground.....I don't care.  The West continues its support for the State of Israel....in Tasmania. Yes, but how do they cut out the land, Aussie? How do they ship it over? Cheers.

Every Israeli who comes across may bring a bucked of sand.

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 9:09pm:

freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:04pm: So how many deaths on that battleground would it take to make you change your mind about this being a good idea for world peace? Would 1 million do it? Not my problem.  If an existing citizen of that artificially created State of Israel, after it is moved to Tasmania, elects to stay where they are.....and stateless.......that is their bed to lie in. How many times do you want me to say that before you actually 'get' it?

All your idiotic thinking in moving Israel to Tasmania will achieve is nothing but making Tasmania a target for FunDaMental muslims.


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Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews. https://sunnah.com/muslim/54/105

It doesn't matter how many times you suggest this idiocy it shows you have no idea and should stick to driving taxis.

Aussie what if the Israelis you left behind killed 100 000 Muslims in the ensuing battle. Would you still think it is a good strategy for world peace?

BigOl64 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 2:41pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 6:06am: BigOl64 wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 2:41am: Killing or moving all the Israelis from Israel to taswegia wouldn't even bring about peace in the middle east let alone in the whole world. The Israelis aren't the problem the fkken sand monkeys are. Just says it all doesnt it? Tell me - are you religious? Spot Jeezus fkken christ, no Only the mentally deficient believes in fairytales once they pass 6 yrs old.

Huh. Okay i wasnt expecting that answer but now i know thanks.

Spot

Aussie wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 5:50pm:

Karnal wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 2:34pm: Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:02pm: Gawd....the THIRD Thread on the same issue. Don't over complicate a very simple issue, Effendi.  The State of Israel gets moved to Tasmania. Simple as that.  If what is left is some political vacuum or battleground.....I don't care.  The West continues its support for the State of Israel....in Tasmania. Yes, but how do they cut out the land, Aussie? How do they ship it over? Cheers. Every Israeli who comes across may bring a bucked of sand.

Oh no that might wreck the environment. All that green tasmanian bush. Thats a lot of sand.

Spot

freediver wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 10:25pm:

Aussie what if the Israelis you left behind killed 100 000 Muslims in the ensuing battle. Would you still think it is a good strategy for world peace?

So long as they did it without any support from the West, no problem.  They are just returning to doing what they have been doing for centuries.  They might have a win for a week or so, but the other Tribes will sort them out soon enough.

And if they get wiped out, not my problem.  They chose to stay in some Stateless territory.

And it seems I have to say it again.....I will have left no Israelis behind.  If any stay in said Stateless territory and turn their back on the Promised Land, their choice.  BTW, I've spoken to my Old Man, and he has agreed to part some seas so they can drive to Tassie.

Oops, I meant to say 100 million, seeing as we just did 10 million. Would 100 million deaths bother you Aussie?

freediver wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 10:20am:

Oops, I meant to say 100 million, seeing as we just did 10 million. Would 100 million deaths bother you Aussie?

We just did 100,000 wan't it?  100 million........that is a very disturbing number.

Effendi we never hear from you about the many millions (Arabs, Jews, Christians whatever) slaughtered as a consequence of the presence of the State of Israel where it has been artificially created.  Why is that?

Aussie wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 11:54am:

freediver wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 10:20am: Oops, I meant to say 100 million, seeing as we just did 10 million. Would 100 million deaths bother you Aussie? We just did 100,000 wan't it?  100 million........that is a very disturbing number.

So you are comfortable sending 10 million Jews to the slaughter, but you draw the line at 100 million Muslims?


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Effendi we never hear from you about the many millions (Arabs, Jews, Christians whatever) slaughtered as a consequence of the presence of the State of Israel where it has been artificially created.  Why is that?

Because you made it all up Aussie.

Can you give an example of a state that is no artificial?

freediver wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 1:24pm:

Aussie wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 11:54am: freediver wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 10:20am: Oops, I meant to say 100 million, seeing as we just did 10 million. Would 100 million deaths bother you Aussie? We just did 100,000 wan't it?  100 million........that is a very disturbing number. So you are comfortable sending 10 million Jews to the slaughter, but you draw the line at 100 million Muslims? Quote: Effendi we never hear from you about the many millions (Arabs, Jews, Christians whatever) slaughtered as a consequence of the presence of the State of Israel where it has been artificially created.  Why is that? Because you made it all up Aussie. Can you give an example of a state that is no artificial?

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So you are comfortable sending 10 million Jews to the slaughter, but you draw the line at 100 million Muslims?

Oh I knew that was coming.  You blow out the numbers and also distort what I have said.  I have said that not one Israeli (never mentioned Jews) would be in danger in Tasmania.  I have said that if an or some Israelis elect to stay in a land rendered stateless, with very hostile Tribes around them, then that is their choice.

And I never drew any such line.

You constructed a hypothetical ~ that if after Israel moved to Tasmania, those Israelis who stayed stateless then slaughtered 100,000 Muslims, and you then bumped that up to 100 Million ~ and asked if I would be 'bothered' with a slaughter of that many.  I responded that it would be 'disturbing.'

As is your want, you then tried to verbal me.  Nah. 


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Can you give an example of a state that is no artificial?

Not like the State of Israel which was plonked (by the West post WW2 to appease some people) right into the middle of a bunch of unfriendly neighbours.

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 9:29pm:

freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:11pm: Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:09pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:04pm: So how many deaths on that battleground would it take to make you change your mind about this being a good idea for world peace? Would 1 million do it? Not my problem.  If an existing citizen of that artificially created State of Israel, after it is moved to Tasmania, elects to stay where they are.....and stateless.......that is their bed to lie in. How many times do you want me to say that before you actually 'get' it? How about ten million? Would you happily precipitate the slaughter of ten million Jews in order to bring about your final solution for world peace? If ten million citizens (or even one) elect to stay in a land stateless, meaningless, a landscape .....after the State of Israel was moved......yes, they made their bed, even if it be slaughter. Horse/water.

This is what you said Aussie. Did I trick you into agreeing to the slaughter of 10 million Jews?

Is it not the number (100 million) that bothers you, but the fact they are Muslims rather than Jews?

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This is what you said Aussie. Did I trick you into agreeing to the slaughter of 10 million Jews?

Show me I agreed to that, Effendi?  You have no chance because I have never ever said it.  You have 'tricked' yourself by pretending that others have said something they never said.  I have always referred to Israelis.


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Is it not the number (100 million) that bothers you, but the fact they are Muslims rather than Jews?

No.

Aussie wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 3:33pm:

Quote: This is what you said Aussie. Did I trick you into agreeing to the slaughter of 10 million Jews? Show me I agreed to that, Effendi?  You have no chance because I have never ever said it.  You have 'tricked' yourself by pretending that others have said something they never said.  I have always referred to Israelis. [quote]Is it not the number (100 million) that bothers you, but the fact they are Muslims rather than Jews?

No. [/quote]

So you are happy to slaughter 10 million Israelis, so long as we don't mention that they are Jewish?

What is it in particular that bothers you about slaughtering 100 million Muslims?

Are there that many jews iraelis or muslims?

Spot

Is that an acknowledgement that I "tricked" you into verballing me that I said Jews and not Israelis, Effendi?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 3:48pm:

Are there that many jews iraelis or muslims? Spot

Israel's population is about 9 million.


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Is that an acknowledgement that I "tricked" you into verballing me that I said Jews and not Israelis, Effendi?

That depends. Does your answer change depending on whether they are Jews or Israelis?

freediver wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 3:59pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 3:48pm: Are there that many jews iraelis or muslims? Spot Israel's population is about 9 million. Quote: Is that an acknowledgement that I "tricked" you into verballing me that I said Jews and not Israelis, Effendi? That depends. Does your answer change depending on whether they are Jews or Israelis?

I will, as I always have, refer to Israelis.  Whoever they are, Tasmania beckons.

We're no longer arguing over the morality of her spending the night with Michael Douglas in 'Indecent Proposal', Aussie, but the fee for agreeing to compromise her sexual integrity for this venal prize.

10 million or 100 million Jews, Aussie? What's your price for security peace in the Middle East?

Lord Herbert wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 5:26pm:

We're no longer arguing over the morality of her spending the night with Michael Douglas in 'Indecent Proposal', Aussie, but the fee for agreeing to compromise her sexual integrity for this venal prize. 10 million or 100 million Jews, Aussie? What's your price for security peace in the Middle East?

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What's your price for security peace in the Middle East?

Not my price to pay.  In fact, no-one pays a price (other than with logistics.)  The State of Israel is moved to Tasmania.   Not one Taswegian with a brain cell in their head would complain (assuming their property rights are protected,) and all is well.  Australia could not care less, and neither would NZ.

All good.  The State of Israel is no longer part of the ME problem.

Aussie wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 3:59pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 3:48pm: Are there that many jews iraelis or muslims? Spot Israel's population is about 9 million. Quote: Is that an acknowledgement that I "tricked" you into verballing me that I said Jews and not Israelis, Effendi? That depends. Does your answer change depending on whether they are Jews or Israelis? I will, as I always have, refer to Israelis.  Whoever they are, Tasmania beckons.

So you don't care whether they are Jewish or not, so long as you don't call them Jews when they are being slaughtered in their millions as your little sacrifice on the altar of world peace? Because if you called them Jews that might look bad, right?


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Not one Taswegian with a brain cell in their head would complain (assuming their property rights are protected,) and all is well.

So how do you carve a new country out of Tasmania while protecting the property rights of the people already there?

Do you think they might complain about the discarding of biosecurity measures as well?


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and neither would NZ

What does NZ have to do with it?

Before Israel was chosen, Uganda was considered a likely new homeland for the Jews.

freediver wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 6:10pm:

Aussie wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 4:38pm: freediver wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 3:59pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 3:48pm: Are there that many jews iraelis or muslims? Spot Israel's population is about 9 million. Quote: Is that an acknowledgement that I "tricked" you into verballing me that I said Jews and not Israelis, Effendi? That depends. Does your answer change depending on whether they are Jews or Israelis? I will, as I always have, refer to Israelis.  Whoever they are, Tasmania beckons. So you don't care whether they are Jewish or not, so long as you don't call them Jews when they are being slaughtered in their millions as your little sacrifice on the altar of world peace? Because if you called them Jews that might look bad, right? Correct.  I don't care whether they are Jewish or Calathumpian.  'My little sacrifice on the altar of world peace?'  Cute, Effendi.  Really cute.  I offer a solution.  You offer resistance.  Other than wanting peace, I have no dog in the fight.  At all. [quote]Not one Taswegian with a brain cell in their head would complain (assuming their property rights are protected,) and all is well.

So how do you carve a new country out of Tasmania while protecting the property rights of the people already there?

Do you think they might complain about the discarding of biosecurity measures as well?

All those are just miniscule details.  Minutia the minions can work out.  Plenty of State owned land there.  Big picture, Effendi.


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and neither would NZ

What does NZ have to do with it?

5/8ths of stuff all other than they are an existing neighbour of Tasmania.

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Aussie wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 3:59pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 3:48pm: Are there that many jews iraelis or muslims? Spot Israel's population is about 9 million. Quote: Is that an acknowledgement that I "tricked" you into verballing me that I said Jews and not Israelis, Effendi? That depends. Does your answer change depending on whether they are Jews or Israelis? I will, as I always have, refer to Israelis.  Whoever they are, Tasmania beckons.

Tasmania only beckons in your mind.

Yes.

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Correct.  I don't care whether they are Jewish or Calathumpian.

This has strange parallels with Gandalf. He also spoke out in support of the slaughter of Jews, and seemed to genuinely believe this was perfectly reasonable, but took particular issue with others referring to his victims as Jewish.

Why do you care whether we acknowledge that they are Jews? You are happy to sprout racist propaganda about "Arabia is for Arabs", but for some reason you get all sensitive about the distinction between slaughtering Jews and slaughtering Israelis.


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My little sacrifice on the altar of world peace?'  Cute, Effendi.  Really cute.  I offer a solution.

Can we call it your final solution? Or do you have something special in store for the Jews when they get to Tasmania?


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Other than wanting peace, I have no dog in the fight.  At all.

You want peace, even if the cost is war and between 10 and 100 million dead?


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All those are just miniscule details.

They are no more "just minuscule details" than forgetting to ask the Palestinians if they wanted a Jewish homeland there.


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Plenty of State owned land there.

The state tends to end up owning the land no-one wants to buy. Does this mean it's not quite your final solution? They get to Tasmania only to freeze to death on a delightful leasehold mountaintop?


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Big picture, Effendi.

Is 100 million dead people a minor detail?


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5/8ths of stuff all other than they are an existing neighbour of Tasmania.

So why did you throw in the reference to NZ?

freediver wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 8:23pm:

Quote: Correct.  I don't care whether they are Jewish or Calathumpian. This has strange parallels with Gandalf. He also spoke out in support of the slaughter of Jews, and seemed to genuinely believe this was perfectly reasonable, but took particular issue with others referring to his victims as Jewish. Why do you care whether we acknowledge that they are Jews? You are happy to sprout racist propaganda about "Arabia is for Arabs", but for some reason you get all sensitive about the distinction between slaughtering Jews and slaughtering Israelis. I am not keen on slaughter of anyone.  I am simply offering an alternative.  At what price will Israelis buy peace?  Is Tasmania not good enough?  What is good enough for them?  It is obviously troublesome where it is. [quote]My little sacrifice on the altar of world peace?'  Cute, Effendi.  Really cute.  I offer a solution.

Can we call it your final solution? Or do you have something special in store for the Jews when they get to Tasmania?

Sure do.....Peace!


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Other than wanting peace, I have no dog in the fight.  At all.

You want peace, even if the cost is war and between 10 and 100 million dead?

What War?  The State of Israel is in Tasmania.  In can't imagine any War as a result.


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All those are just miniscule details.

They are no more "just minuscule details" than forgetting to ask the Palestinians if they wanted a Jewish homeland there.

Yes, but were they asked?  No, they were not.  The West just plonked the square peg somehow in the round hole.


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Plenty of State owned land there.

The state tends to end up owning the land no-one wants to buy. Does this mean it's not quite your final solution? They get to Tasmania only to freeze to death on a delightful leasehold mountaintop?

Oh, bullshit.  Siberia might be available.  Is that a better suggestion for the State of Israel?  Come on Effendi!


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Big picture, Effendi.

Is 100 million dead people a minor detail?

No-one dies when my Old Man parts the Seas, and the State of Israel moves to Tasmania.


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5/8ths of stuff all other than they are an existing neighbour of Tasmania.

So why did you throw in the reference to NZ?

Okay....ignore the Kiwis.[/quote]

Aussie wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 11:54am:

Effendi we never hear from you about the many millions (Arabs, Jews, Christians whatever) slaughtered as a consequence of the presence of the State of Israel where it has been artificially created.  Why is that?

Aussie are you admiting this is a lie?


Aussie wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 3:06pm:

Quote: Can you give an example of a state that is no artificial? Not like the State of Israel which was plonked (by the West post WW2 to appease some people) right into the middle of a bunch of unfriendly neighbours.

What state has friendly neighbours?


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What War?  The State of Israel is in Tasmania.  In can't imagine any War as a result.

You said you would accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace. Maybe also 100 million dead Muslims, but you were a bit uncertain on that one.

Have you changed your mind? Or are you merely arguing that killing millions of people doesn't necessarily involve war?


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Yes, but were they asked?

They probably were - more so than Tasmanians have been asked.


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Oh, bullshit.  Siberia might be available.  Is that a better suggestion for the State of Israel?  Come on Effendi!

So where are you actually going to put them Aussie? Cradle Mountain? Mewstone? Have you asked anyone if they would be willing to give up their home or farm?

I'll address this:


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You said you would accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace.

I did not.

Yes you did:


Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 9:29pm:

freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:11pm: Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:09pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:04pm: So how many deaths on that battleground would it take to make you change your mind about this being a good idea for world peace? Would 1 million do it? Not my problem.  If an existing citizen of that artificially created State of Israel, after it is moved to Tasmania, elects to stay where they are.....and stateless.......that is their bed to lie in. How many times do you want me to say that before you actually 'get' it? How about ten million? Would you happily precipitate the slaughter of ten million Jews in order to bring about your final solution for world peace? If ten million citizens (or even one) elect to stay in a land stateless, meaningless, a landscape .....after the State of Israel was moved......yes, they made their bed, even if it be slaughter. Horse/water.

Aussie is there an upper limit on the number of Jews you would see die under your final solution for world peace?

I would not want to see anyone slaughtered.  My suggestion is that the State of Israel be moved to Tasmania.  There is no suggestion or intent that anyone be slaughtered.

Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 10:34am:

I would not want to see anyone slaughtered.  My suggestion is that the State of Israel be moved to Tasmania.  There is no suggestion or intent that anyone be slaughtered.

I would welcome them.

They would raise the Australia Nobel Prize count in the sciences to new astronomical heights.

The only downside is that, curiously, a lot of them are very Leftwing.

Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 10:17am:

I'll address this: Quote: You said you would accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace. I did not.

Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 10:34am:

I would not want to see anyone slaughtered.  My suggestion is that the State of Israel be moved to Tasmania.  There is no suggestion or intent that anyone be slaughtered.

But you did say you would accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace, correct?

Lord Herbert wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 10:50am:

Aussie wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 10:34am: I would not want to see anyone slaughtered.  My suggestion is that the State of Israel be moved to Tasmania.  There is no suggestion or intent that anyone be slaughtered. I would welcome them. They would raise the Australia Nobel Prize count in the sciences to new astronomical heights. The only downside is that, curiously, a lot of them are very Leftwing.

It wouldnt be australia though. Tasmania would be israel

Spot

As a means for peace in the Middle East it's as practicable as debating angels dancing on pin heads.

Secret Wars wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 12:14pm:

As a means for peace in the Middle East it's as practicable as debating angels dancing on pin heads.

Got a better idea?  Nauru perhaps.  Manus Island?

(Be a tad squeezey I know.)

Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 12:27pm:

Secret Wars wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 12:14pm: As a means for peace in the Middle East it's as practicable as debating angels dancing on pin heads. Got a better idea?  Nauru perhaps.  Manus Island? (Be a tad squeezey I know.)

There are no better ideas, two peoples, both with legitimate grievances and claims and with historical hostilities, there's ya problem, the hostility.

If Yasser Arafat had not been so keen to derail a process by Clinton to preserve his own power then things would be a lot further along.

People on both sides foster hostility for political purposes and the left stir the pot because of their instinctive anti American and anti western agendas and sympathies.

You can explore realistic options or fantasys, you have chosen a fantasy.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 12:07pm:

It wouldnt be australia though. Tasmania would be israel Spot

The Jews made the deserts bloom, and so maybe we could accommodate them in the Simpson Desert where they'd make a success of it with irrigation canals, orchards, Date palms, a feral camel meatworks, hard-top roads, etc etc.

Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 12:27pm:

Secret Wars wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 12:14pm: As a means for peace in the Middle East it's as practicable as debating angels dancing on pin heads. Got a better idea?  Nauru perhaps.  Manus Island? (Be a tad squeezey I know.)

Aussie you said you would accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace. Then you said you did not say this.

Have you changed your mind?

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 1:55pm:

Aussie wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 12:27pm: Secret Wars wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 12:14pm: As a means for peace in the Middle East it's as practicable as debating angels dancing on pin heads. Got a better idea?  Nauru perhaps.  Manus Island? (Be a tad squeezey I know.) Aussie you said you would accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace. Then you said you did not say this. Have you changed your mind?

I do not accept it in the sense that I plan for it or anticipate it.  I would expect that sensible Israelis would rush at the opportunity to bring their children up in a non War zone.  If they decide otherwise, then that is nothing to do with me.

Effendi we never hear from you about the many millions (Arabs, Jews, Christians whatever) slaughtered as a consequence of the creation of the State of Israel.   Why is that?

Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 2:12pm:

Effendi we never hear from you about the many millions (Arabs, Jews, Christians whatever) slaughtered as a consequence of the creation of the State of Israel.   Why is that?

I already told you - because you are lying.

Would you like to back up this assertion of yours?


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I do not accept it in the sense that I plan for it or anticipate it.

But you would be willing to accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace, in the sense that you would be willing to accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace? Just not in some other sense with a different meaning?

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 2:20pm:

Aussie wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 2:12pm: Effendi we never hear from you about the many millions (Arabs, Jews, Christians whatever) slaughtered as a consequence of the creation of the State of Israel.   Why is that? I already told you - because you are lying. Lying about what? Would you like to back up this assertion of yours? What assertion? Quote: I do not accept it in the sense that I plan for it or anticipate it. But you would be willing to accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace, in the sense that you would be willing to accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace? Just not in some other sense with a different meaning?

I do not accept it, as I have explained.  If it happens, it will not be on my head.

It seems that the blokes who created the State of Israel in the late 1940s were willing to accept that people would be slaughtered as a consequence.

What is your solution Effendi?  A continuation of the billions handed over to prop it up, a continuation of the significant arming by the West to prop it up?  What?  Would it be a continuation of the slaughter of non Israelis?

rhino wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 2:39am:

So Ozzy thinks slaughtering 10 million Jews is good for world peace.

The claim that 6 million Jews died, did the Jews a lot of good.

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Lying about what?

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the many millions (Arabs, Jews, Christians whatever) slaughtered as a consequence of the creation of the State of Israel

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I do not accept it, as I have explained.

You explained that you do accept it, unless by accept you mean something other than accept.

Here, I'll get the crayons out for you again:


Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 9:29pm:

freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:11pm: Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:09pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:04pm: So how many deaths on that battleground would it take to make you change your mind about this being a good idea for world peace? Would 1 million do it? Not my problem.  If an existing citizen of that artificially created State of Israel, after it is moved to Tasmania, elects to stay where they are.....and stateless.......that is their bed to lie in. How many times do you want me to say that before you actually 'get' it? How about ten million? Would you happily precipitate the slaughter of ten million Jews in order to bring about your final solution for world peace? If ten million citizens (or even one) elect to stay in a land stateless, meaningless, a landscape .....after the State of Israel was moved......yes, they made their bed, even if it be slaughter. Horse/water.

Are you changing your mind on this Aussie, or just trying to pretend you never said it?

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If ten million citizens (or even one) elect to stay in a land stateless, meaningless, a landscape .....after the State of Israel was moved......yes, they made their bed, even if it be slaughter.

Why did you forget those bits, Effendi?

How many do you say have been killed as a consequence of the creation of the State of Israel?

You have not offered any alternative suggestion Effendi.  Why not?  You happy with the way things are?

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Why did you forget those bits, Effendi?

I did not forget them. I just quoted them back to you Aussie.

You said you would accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace.


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How many do you say have been killed as a consequence of the creation of the State of Israel?

Far less than you say. There is a wikipedia page on it. It is in the thousands, from memory.


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You have not offered any alternative suggestion Effendi.  Why not?  You happy with the way things are?

I think the status quo is the best option I am aware of. I do not suggest alternatives because there are none I support.

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 5:01pm:

Quote: Why did you forget those bits, Effendi? I did not forget them. I just quoted them back to you Aussie. You said you would accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace. You have taken it that way.  And you will run with it.  As usual. [quote]How many do you say have been killed as a consequence of the creation of the State of Israel?

Far less than you say. There is a wikipedia page on it. It is in the thousands, from memory.

I have found one.  Only refers to Palestinians and Israelis.


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You have not offered any alternative suggestion Effendi.  Why not?  You happy with the way things are?

I think the status quo is the best option I am aware of. I do not suggest alternatives because there are none I support.

How about thinking for yourself?  You know....something original.  Beyond you?



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You have taken it that way.  And you will run with it.  As usual.

What other way is there to take it Aussie?


Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 9:29pm:

freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:11pm: Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:09pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:04pm: So how many deaths on that battleground would it take to make you change your mind about this being a good idea for world peace? Would 1 million do it? Not my problem.  If an existing citizen of that artificially created State of Israel, after it is moved to Tasmania, elects to stay where they are.....and stateless.......that is their bed to lie in. How many times do you want me to say that before you actually 'get' it? How about ten million? Would you happily precipitate the slaughter of ten million Jews in order to bring about your final solution for world peace? If ten million citizens (or even one) elect to stay in a land stateless, meaningless, a landscape .....after the State of Israel was moved......yes, they made their bed, even if it be slaughter. Horse/water.

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I have found one.  Only refers to Palestinians and Israelis.

So what else do you blame the Jews for? And just to get ahead of you a bit, my comment, seeing as you are looking for it, is that you are confused.


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How about thinking for yourself?  You know....something original.  Beyond you?

Sure. Let's start a few more democracies in the area.

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 6:51pm:

Quote: You have taken it that way.  And you will run with it.  As usual. What other way is there to take it Aussie? Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:29pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:11pm: Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:09pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:04pm: So how many deaths on that battleground would it take to make you change your mind about this being a good idea for world peace? Would 1 million do it? Not my problem.  If an existing citizen of that artificially created State of Israel, after it is moved to Tasmania, elects to stay where they are.....and stateless.......that is their bed to lie in. How many times do you want me to say that before you actually 'get' it? How about ten million? Would you happily precipitate the slaughter of ten million Jews in order to bring about your final solution for world peace? If ten million citizens (or even one) elect to stay in a land stateless, meaningless, a landscape .....after the State of Israel was moved......yes, they made their bed, even if it be slaughter. Horse/water. [quote]I have found one.  Only refers to Palestinians and Israelis.

So what else do you blame the Jews for? And just to get ahead of you a bit, my comment, seeing as you are looking for it, is that you are confused.

I have not mentioned Jews.  You have.  Not all Israelis are Jews, are they.  If you are trying to paint me as antisemitic, you are wasting your time.


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How about thinking for yourself?  You know....something original.  Beyond you?

Sure. Let's start a few more democracies in the area.

Off you go then.

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Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 2:12pm:

Effendi we never hear from you about the many millions (Arabs, Jews, Christians whatever) slaughtered as a consequence of the creation of the State of Israel.   Why is that?

Why does nobody whinge about Pakistan which was created in a similar way to Israel around the same time, how many Sikhs Hindu and Buddhists have been killed by Pakistanis?

How many wars has Pakistan fought with their neighbors, how much foreign aid do they get?

Did Pakistan give Bin laden a nice place to hide from the Americans?

I guess we could use your reasoning on why Israel should not exist to say Pakistan should not exist and we should move Pakistanis to your backyard.

Baronvonrort wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 7:29pm:

Aussie wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 2:12pm: Effendi we never hear from you about the many millions (Arabs, Jews, Christians whatever) slaughtered as a consequence of the creation of the State of Israel.   Why is that? Why does nobody whinge about Pakistan which was created in a similar way to Israel around the same time, how many Sikhs Hindu and Buddhists have been killed by Pakistanis? How many wars has Pakistan fought with their neighbors, how much foreign aid do they get? Did Pakistan give Bin laden a nice place to hide from the Americans? I guess we could use your reasoning on why Israel should not exist to say Pakistan should not exist and we should move Pakistanis to your backyard.

Off topic.  However......will say.....I am not a fan of the Raj's Partition of the Sub-Continent.

Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 7:37pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 7:29pm: Aussie wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 2:12pm: Effendi we never hear from you about the many millions (Arabs, Jews, Christians whatever) slaughtered as a consequence of the creation of the State of Israel.   Why is that? Why does nobody whinge about Pakistan which was created in a similar way to Israel around the same time, how many Sikhs Hindu and Buddhists have been killed by Pakistanis? How many wars has Pakistan fought with their neighbors, how much foreign aid do they get? Did Pakistan give Bin laden a nice place to hide from the Americans? I guess we could use your reasoning on why Israel should not exist to say Pakistan should not exist and we should move Pakistanis to your backyard. Off topic.  However......will say.....I am not a fan of the Raj's Partition of the Sub-Continent.

It's not off topic, Pakistan was created in a similar way to Israel around the same time.

Why do those who whinge about Israel never say anything about Pakistan?

Probably because it has always been a troublesome part of the Globe.  Kyber Pass and all that.

Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 7:12pm:

freediver wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 6:51pm: Quote: You have taken it that way.  And you will run with it.  As usual. What other way is there to take it Aussie? Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:29pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:11pm: Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:09pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:04pm: So how many deaths on that battleground would it take to make you change your mind about this being a good idea for world peace? Would 1 million do it? Not my problem.  If an existing citizen of that artificially created State of Israel, after it is moved to Tasmania, elects to stay where they are.....and stateless.......that is their bed to lie in. How many times do you want me to say that before you actually 'get' it? How about ten million? Would you happily precipitate the slaughter of ten million Jews in order to bring about your final solution for world peace? If ten million citizens (or even one) elect to stay in a land stateless, meaningless, a landscape .....after the State of Israel was moved......yes, they made their bed, even if it be slaughter. Horse/water. [quote]I have found one.  Only refers to Palestinians and Israelis. So what else do you blame the Jews for? And just to get ahead of you a bit, my comment, seeing as you are looking for it, is that you are confused. I have not mentioned Jews.  You have.  Not all Israelis are Jews, are they.  If you are trying to paint me as antisemitic, you are wasting your time. [quote]How about thinking for yourself?  You know....something original.  Beyond you?

Sure. Let's start a few more democracies in the area.

Off you go then.

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What is your point Aussie? Are you disagreeing with my interpretation that would accept the death of ten million Jews in pursuit of your little world peace fantasy?

You never did give a straight answer on 100 million dead. Are you up for that to?

What Are these millions of deaths you blame the Israelis for? And do you hold the Muslim Israeli's responsible?

And where are you actually going to move them to in Tassie while respecting the property rights of current land owners?

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What is your point Aussie? Are you disagreeing with my interpretation that would accept the death of ten million Jews in pursuit of your little world peace fantasy?

Yes, as I have already said.


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You never did give a straight answer on 100 million dead. Are you up for that to?

I did.  You did not like the answer.


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What Are these millions of deaths you blame the Israelis for? And do you hold the Muslim Israeli's responsible?

I have never blamed any Israeli for millions of deaths.  Go read what I post.  I have never said anything about Muslim Israelis.


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And where are you actually going to move them to in Tassie while respecting the property rights of current land owners?

Crown land, but I am sure there are many Taswegians who will happily sell out to Israel.  It's not as though Israel is short of cash, either their own or what they get from the West.  Billions weekly.

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Yes, as I have already said.

You haven't said whether you changed your mind or whether you think I am misinterpreting you. Did you just forget you said these things?


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I did.  You did not like the answer.

It was the first time you showed any hesitation in your willingness to sacrifice millions of lives. But it was not a straight answer. Do you draw the line at somewhere below 100 million deaths, or do we keep going higher?


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I have never blamed any Israeli for millions of deaths.

Caused. Whatever. What deaths are you talking about Aussie? And why are you afraid to give a straight answer?


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Go read what I post.  I have never said anything about Muslim Israelis.

I quoted you. You ducked and weaved. You are talking about Israelis, but not Jews apparently. Muslims is the next biggest group of them.


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Crown land

Where exactly Aussie? Have you not thought through a single aspect of this idiotic scheme?


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but I am sure there are many Taswegians who will happily sell out to Israel

Why would they have to if you are going to settle them on crown land?

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

Quote: Yes, as I have already said. You haven't said whether you changed your mind or whether you think I am misinterpreting you. Did you just forget you said these things? I have never changed my mind.  Yes, you misinterpret me for your own stupid agenda.  Have I made your Wiki yet? [quote]I did.  You did not like the answer.

It was the first time you showed any hesitation in your willingness to sacrifice millions of lives. But it was not a straight answer. Do you draw the line at somewhere below 100 million deaths, or do we keep going higher?

I have not drawn any line.  You are trying to get me to do that, and I have not.


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I have never blamed any Israeli for millions of deaths.

Caused. Whatever. What deaths are you talking about Aussie? And why are you afraid to give a straight answer?

Oh, the old 'whatever' cop-out.  I am talking about deaths which have occurred in the ME as a direct consequence of the creation of the State of Israel.


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Go read what I post.  I have never said anything about Muslim Israelis.

I quoted you. You ducked and weaved. You are talking about Israelis, but not Jews apparently. Muslims is the next biggest group of them.

Yes. I am always referring to Israel or Israelis.  I have never used the word Jew or Muslim in this context.  You want to make me to, but you are wasting your time.


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Crown land

Where exactly Aussie? Have you not thought through a single aspect of this idiotic scheme?

Correct.  Is there no Crown Land in Tasmania?


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but I am sure there are many Taswegians who will happily sell out to Israel

Why would they have to if you are going to settle them on crown land?

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I have never changed my mind.  Yes, you misinterpret me for your own stupid agenda.

 

How exactly am I misinterpreting it Aussie?


Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 9:29pm:

freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:11pm: Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:09pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:04pm: So how many deaths on that battleground would it take to make you change your mind about this being a good idea for world peace? Would 1 million do it? Not my problem.  If an existing citizen of that artificially created State of Israel, after it is moved to Tasmania, elects to stay where they are.....and stateless.......that is their bed to lie in. How many times do you want me to say that before you actually 'get' it? How about ten million? Would you happily precipitate the slaughter of ten million Jews in order to bring about your final solution for world peace? If ten million citizens (or even one) elect to stay in a land stateless, meaningless, a landscape .....after the State of Israel was moved......yes, they made their bed, even if it be slaughter. Horse/water.

I have already answered that.  You just don't like the answer.

Live with that, Effendi.  I will not change my basic stand.  Ever.  Neither will you.

Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 9:13pm:

Quote: , but I am sure there are many Taswegians who will happily sell out to Israel.  It's not as though Israel is short of cash, either their own or what they get from the West.  Billions weekly. Tel Aviv was founded as a jewish city in 1909 why would they want to move to Tasmania? Got any credible sources for Israel getting billions weekly from the west or did you pluck that from your ass? 2 israeli jews hold the patent for flash drive memory could that be part of the billions they get from the west? Do you realise about 80% of our Naval weapons systems are made in Israel? Here is one of many systems [quote] Typhoon Weapon Station The Typhoon is a type of remote weapon station manufactured by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems of Israel, and it shares similar design principles and common technologies with Samson Remote Controlled Weapon Station (Samson RCWS), a land-based system manufactured by the same developer. Like Samson RCWS, Typhoon is also multi-configurable. Current operators Australia Canada India Israel Maldives New Zealand Singapore Philippines Sri Lanka United States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Weapon_Station

I can't list all the stuff our Air Force uses that is made in Israel we use the heron drone and these, how many other countries use these?

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The AN/AAQ-28(V) LITENING targeting pod is an advanced precision targeting pod system currently operational with a wide variety of aircraft worldwide. LITENING significantly increases the combat effectiveness of the aircraft during day, night and under-the-weather conditions in the attack of ground and air[1] targets with a variety of standoff weapons (i.e., laser-guided bombs, conventional bombs and GPS-guided weapons). The thousandth pod was sold in October 2010.[2] The research and development program began at Rafael Advanced Defense Systems' Missiles Division in Israel, with subsequent completion of LITENING I for use in the Israeli Air Force. In 1995 Northrop Grumman Corporation teamed with Rafael for further development and sales of the LITENING pod. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litening#Current_operators

Looks like Israel makes quite a bit from selling technology.

A muslim says Palestine is Jewish land

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nBkA3_duzQ

Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 9:58pm:

I have already answered that.  You just don't like the answer. Live with that, Effendi.  I will not change my basic stand.  Ever.  Neither will you.

You denied responsibility for the consequences Aussie, but you did not explain how I misinterpreted you.


Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 9:29pm:

freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:11pm: Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:09pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:04pm: So how many deaths on that battleground would it take to make you change your mind about this being a good idea for world peace? Would 1 million do it? Not my problem.  If an existing citizen of that artificially created State of Israel, after it is moved to Tasmania, elects to stay where they are.....and stateless.......that is their bed to lie in. How many times do you want me to say that before you actually 'get' it? How about ten million? Would you happily precipitate the slaughter of ten million Jews in order to bring about your final solution for world peace? If ten million citizens (or even one) elect to stay in a land stateless, meaningless, a landscape .....after the State of Israel was moved......yes, they made their bed, even if it be slaughter. Horse/water.

How did I misinterpret you Aussie? Was it something I actually said, or something you imagined I said?

Lord Herbert wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 12:40pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 12:07pm: It wouldnt be australia though. Tasmania would be israel Spot The Jews made the deserts bloom, and so maybe we could accommodate them in the Simpson Desert where they'd make a success of it with irrigation canals, orchards, Date palms, a feral camel meatworks, hard-top roads, etc etc.

That is true but aussies idea of keeping them separate it better IMO because they dont seem to like neighbours.

However. Would 9 million people fit in tasmania?

Spot

I think the idea is that they freeze to death on the mountains and whatever other crown land Aussie is prepared to set aside. Maybe drop them off at Mewstone then drive away real fast. They are also not all going to make it over. Some will be left behind to make their bed and get slaughtered by Muslims.

The year is 2111...

and the Italians (ruled by the evil Mafia) are committing mass Genocide on the unarmed and homeless Moslems.
Since the end of the Islamic Empire (Military), all Moslem 'nations' crumbled and were taken over by the 'new' Empire of Israel that spread throughout the Middle-East.
After the Islamic genocide on 'Christian' France, it could no longer sustain its justification after their 'Messiah' appeared and died for their Moslem sins.

Millions of Moslems rounded up and 'macerated/dissolved' as World War 5 gets underway. Italy is a force and power once again in Europe as Germany & France have given up the (Holy) Ghost previously. Only the 'Cross' of the UK remains defiantly.

...Moslems cry to Allah for help as millions of them die. Helpless, unarmed and their 'faith' only. No-one cares for the Moslems, after their century of Terrorism and final Jihad. Only 'mercy' is their last salvation.
Then, a 'miracle'.
The Empire of Israel comes to the aid of the Moslems and goes to war with Italy. A war - that Italy can't win, especially with its war with the UK in Europe.

Russia has long since vanished in power. It's war with China lost it Siberia for starters. Germany and France are non-military/political nations - having renounced 'religion' as well.

The Empire of Israel takes the moslem people under its wing. The Moslem prayers for salvation were answered by their Jewish brothers.

...the year is 2199 and the 'United Empire of Ishtar' calls forth the final European nation to 'give back' the Religion of Power and Love: the United Kingdom.

Now that's another story to tell. ;)
What do you think will happen then? :-?

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2018 at 12:10pm:

I think the idea is that they freeze to death on the mountains and whatever other crown land Aussie is prepared to set aside. Maybe drop them off at Mewstone then drive away real fast. They are also not all going to make it over. Some will be left behind to make their bed and get slaughtered by Muslims.

Sort of like gaza, but with jews instead of Palestinians - right?


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https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/7xm9p4/we-must-speak-up-against-israels-slaughter-in-gaza?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it

...and the Green-skinned Reptillian Snake Lord of South America, sat upon his seat of 'Military' Power over the Middle-East and its 'poor-mass breeding' Religious people
and spake "Thus they now know who their Bringer of Death is!"

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2018 at 10:08am:

freediver wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 12:10pm: I think the idea is that they freeze to death on the mountains and whatever other crown land Aussie is prepared to set aside. Maybe drop them off at Mewstone then drive away real fast. They are also not all going to make it over. Some will be left behind to make their bed and get slaughtered by Muslims. Sort of like gaza, but with jews instead of Palestinians - right? Quote: In 2015, the poverty rate in Gaza hit 39 percent, despite 80 percent of the population receiving humanitarian assistance, while unemployment had reached 43 percent – probably the world's highest. Youth unemployment, at a staggering 60 percent, is the highest in the region. In 2008-9 and 2014, large-scale military assaults by Israel left more than 2,500 people dead – overwhelmingly civilians, including 900 children – and some 24,000 homes destroyed. More fundamentally, the very capacity of the territory to support large-scale human inhabitation has been eroded. Ninety-six percent of the tap water in Gaza is now unfit for human consumption, and Gaza’s only freshwater aquifer is on the threshold of irreversible contamination. The United Nations warned in 2015 that Gaza might be rendered physically "unliveable" by 2020. The head of Israel’s military intelligence concurred with this assessment, while a July 2017 UN update found that projection to be overly optimistic. https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/7xm9p4/we-must-speak-up-against-israels-slaughter-in-gaza?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it

So basically they keep shitting on their own plate.

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2018 at 12:10pm:

I think the idea is that they freeze to death on the mountains and whatever other crown land Aussie is prepared to set aside. Maybe drop them off at Mewstone then drive away real fast. They are also not all going to make it over. Some will be left behind to make their bed and get slaughtered by Muslims.

G will be into that for sure, FD. He was only saying just the other day that they're pagans and down to be slaughtered except when they're not.

We have to listen to what Muslims themselves say, no?

freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2018 at 6:40pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 10:08am: freediver wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 12:10pm: I think the idea is that they freeze to death on the mountains and whatever other crown land Aussie is prepared to set aside. Maybe drop them off at Mewstone then drive away real fast. They are also not all going to make it over. Some will be left behind to make their bed and get slaughtered by Muslims. Sort of like gaza, but with jews instead of Palestinians - right? Quote: In 2015, the poverty rate in Gaza hit 39 percent, despite 80 percent of the population receiving humanitarian assistance, while unemployment had reached 43 percent – probably the world's highest. Youth unemployment, at a staggering 60 percent, is the highest in the region. In 2008-9 and 2014, large-scale military assaults by Israel left more than 2,500 people dead – overwhelmingly civilians, including 900 children – and some 24,000 homes destroyed. More fundamentally, the very capacity of the territory to support large-scale human inhabitation has been eroded. Ninety-six percent of the tap water in Gaza is now unfit for human consumption, and Gaza’s only freshwater aquifer is on the threshold of irreversible contamination. The United Nations warned in 2015 that Gaza might be rendered physically "unliveable" by 2020. The head of Israel’s military intelligence concurred with this assessment, while a July 2017 UN update found that projection to be overly optimistic. https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/7xm9p4/we-must-speak-up-against-israels-slaughter-in-gaza?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it So basically they keep shitting on their own plate.

I agree, FD, that's exactly what they're doing.

The old boy wants to set up a stool-platter import/export outfit, but the Israelis keep insisting on their blockade, hence the unliveability.

Trust your Muselman. Victim-mentality, innit.

freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2018 at 6:40pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 10:08am: freediver wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 12:10pm: I think the idea is that they freeze to death on the mountains and whatever other crown land Aussie is prepared to set aside. Maybe drop them off at Mewstone then drive away real fast. They are also not all going to make it over. Some will be left behind to make their bed and get slaughtered by Muslims. Sort of like gaza, but with jews instead of Palestinians - right? Quote: In 2015, the poverty rate in Gaza hit 39 percent, despite 80 percent of the population receiving humanitarian assistance, while unemployment had reached 43 percent – probably the world's highest. Youth unemployment, at a staggering 60 percent, is the highest in the region. In 2008-9 and 2014, large-scale military assaults by Israel left more than 2,500 people dead – overwhelmingly civilians, including 900 children – and some 24,000 homes destroyed. More fundamentally, the very capacity of the territory to support large-scale human inhabitation has been eroded. Ninety-six percent of the tap water in Gaza is now unfit for human consumption, and Gaza’s only freshwater aquifer is on the threshold of irreversible contamination. The United Nations warned in 2015 that Gaza might be rendered physically "unliveable" by 2020. The head of Israel’s military intelligence concurred with this assessment, while a July 2017 UN update found that projection to be overly optimistic. https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/7xm9p4/we-must-speak-up-against-israels-slaughter-in-gaza?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it So basically they keep shitting on their own plate.

Sorta. They elect Hamas who then shitts on their plate - or makes them shitt on their own plates, I don't know which.

Over 50 are dead now for what? An embassy. How many of the dead are high ranking Hamas cadres? none.

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2018 at 7:14pm:

freediver wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 6:40pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 10:08am: freediver wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 12:10pm: I think the idea is that they freeze to death on the mountains and whatever other crown land Aussie is prepared to set aside. Maybe drop them off at Mewstone then drive away real fast. They are also not all going to make it over. Some will be left behind to make their bed and get slaughtered by Muslims. Sort of like gaza, but with jews instead of Palestinians - right? Quote: In 2015, the poverty rate in Gaza hit 39 percent, despite 80 percent of the population receiving humanitarian assistance, while unemployment had reached 43 percent – probably the world's highest. Youth unemployment, at a staggering 60 percent, is the highest in the region. In 2008-9 and 2014, large-scale military assaults by Israel left more than 2,500 people dead – overwhelmingly civilians, including 900 children – and some 24,000 homes destroyed. More fundamentally, the very capacity of the territory to support large-scale human inhabitation has been eroded. Ninety-six percent of the tap water in Gaza is now unfit for human consumption, and Gaza’s only freshwater aquifer is on the threshold of irreversible contamination. The United Nations warned in 2015 that Gaza might be rendered physically "unliveable" by 2020. The head of Israel’s military intelligence concurred with this assessment, while a July 2017 UN update found that projection to be overly optimistic. https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/7xm9p4/we-must-speak-up-against-israels-slaughter-in-gaza?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it So basically they keep shitting on their own plate. Sorta. They elect Hamas who then shitts on their plate - or makes them shitt on their own plates, I don't know which.

Ladies and gentlemen, dinner is served.

freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2018 at 6:40pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 10:08am: freediver wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 12:10pm: I think the idea is that they freeze to death on the mountains and whatever other crown land Aussie is prepared to set aside. Maybe drop them off at Mewstone then drive away real fast. They are also not all going to make it over. Some will be left behind to make their bed and get slaughtered by Muslims. Sort of like gaza, but with jews instead of Palestinians - right? Quote: In 2015, the poverty rate in Gaza hit 39 percent, despite 80 percent of the population receiving humanitarian assistance, while unemployment had reached 43 percent – probably the world's highest. Youth unemployment, at a staggering 60 percent, is the highest in the region. In 2008-9 and 2014, large-scale military assaults by Israel left more than 2,500 people dead – overwhelmingly civilians, including 900 children – and some 24,000 homes destroyed. More fundamentally, the very capacity of the territory to support large-scale human inhabitation has been eroded. Ninety-six percent of the tap water in Gaza is now unfit for human consumption, and Gaza’s only freshwater aquifer is on the threshold of irreversible contamination. The United Nations warned in 2015 that Gaza might be rendered physically "unliveable" by 2020. The head of Israel’s military intelligence concurred with this assessment, while a July 2017 UN update found that projection to be overly optimistic. https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/7xm9p4/we-must-speak-up-against-israels-slaughter-in-gaza?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it So basically they keep shitting on their own plate.

Of course FD. The whole imprisonment and complete blocade thing has nothing to do with it at all.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2018 at 9:20pm:

freediver wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 6:40pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 10:08am: freediver wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 12:10pm: I think the idea is that they freeze to death on the mountains and whatever other crown land Aussie is prepared to set aside. Maybe drop them off at Mewstone then drive away real fast. They are also not all going to make it over. Some will be left behind to make their bed and get slaughtered by Muslims. Sort of like gaza, but with jews instead of Palestinians - right? Quote: In 2015, the poverty rate in Gaza hit 39 percent, despite 80 percent of the population receiving humanitarian assistance, while unemployment had reached 43 percent – probably the world's highest. Youth unemployment, at a staggering 60 percent, is the highest in the region. In 2008-9 and 2014, large-scale military assaults by Israel left more than 2,500 people dead – overwhelmingly civilians, including 900 children – and some 24,000 homes destroyed. More fundamentally, the very capacity of the territory to support large-scale human inhabitation has been eroded. Ninety-six percent of the tap water in Gaza is now unfit for human consumption, and Gaza’s only freshwater aquifer is on the threshold of irreversible contamination. The United Nations warned in 2015 that Gaza might be rendered physically "unliveable" by 2020. The head of Israel’s military intelligence concurred with this assessment, while a July 2017 UN update found that projection to be overly optimistic. https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/7xm9p4/we-must-speak-up-against-israels-slaughter-in-gaza?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it So basically they keep shitting on their own plate. Of course FD. The whole imprisonment and complete blocade thing has nothing to do with it at all.

Hamas and their stated aims have nuffin to do wiv nuffin.

You Muslims would be like trappist monks if you couldn't  lie and dissemble and lie some more. Honesty is just not your thing.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2018 at 9:20pm:

freediver wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 6:40pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 10:08am: freediver wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 12:10pm: I think the idea is that they freeze to death on the mountains and whatever other crown land Aussie is prepared to set aside. Maybe drop them off at Mewstone then drive away real fast. They are also not all going to make it over. Some will be left behind to make their bed and get slaughtered by Muslims. Sort of like gaza, but with jews instead of Palestinians - right? Quote: In 2015, the poverty rate in Gaza hit 39 percent, despite 80 percent of the population receiving humanitarian assistance, while unemployment had reached 43 percent – probably the world's highest. Youth unemployment, at a staggering 60 percent, is the highest in the region. In 2008-9 and 2014, large-scale military assaults by Israel left more than 2,500 people dead – overwhelmingly civilians, including 900 children – and some 24,000 homes destroyed. More fundamentally, the very capacity of the territory to support large-scale human inhabitation has been eroded. Ninety-six percent of the tap water in Gaza is now unfit for human consumption, and Gaza’s only freshwater aquifer is on the threshold of irreversible contamination. The United Nations warned in 2015 that Gaza might be rendered physically "unliveable" by 2020. The head of Israel’s military intelligence concurred with this assessment, while a July 2017 UN update found that projection to be overly optimistic. https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/7xm9p4/we-must-speak-up-against-israels-slaughter-in-gaza?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it So basically they keep shitting on their own plate. Of course FD. The whole imprisonment and complete blocade thing has nothing to do with it at all.

So it's the Jews fault?

Good response FD.

Its also Netanyahu's favourite card.

Can you give an example where Muslims are responsible for their own actions?

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2018 at 4:10pm:

Can you give an example where Muslims are responsible for their own actions?

Sure, the whole unprecedented scientific flourishing during the Islamic Golden Age - for example.

Or was it the jews? You know the guys who were apparently being oppressed and slaughtered at the same time?

So the only time a Muslim will concede that fellow Muslims are responsible for their own actions is when non-Muslims living in an Islamic state made some historically meager contributions to science?

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2018 at 4:21pm:

So the only time a Muslim will concede that fellow Muslims are responsible for their own actions is when non-Muslims living in an Islamic state made some historically meager contributions to science?

You wanted an example....you got it.  Now, you don't like the example or it is not good enough.  You are very hard to please, Effendi.

How about the recent elections in Malaysia?  Are Muslims denying responsibility for the outcome?

Aussie do you think it is a good example of Muslims being responsible for their own actions?

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2018 at 5:03pm:

Aussie do you think it is a good example of Muslims being responsible for their own actions?

Which it?

Here you go Aussie:


polite_gandalf wrote on May 16^th, 2018 at 4:18pm:

freediver wrote on May 16th, 2018 at 4:10pm: Can you give an example where Muslims are responsible for their own actions? Sure, the whole unprecedented scientific flourishing during the Islamic Golden Age - for example. Or was it the jews? You know the guys who were apparently being oppressed and slaughtered at the same time?

In case you do not get Gandalf's reference, a lot of the scientists who made advances during this time were non-Muslims, in particular Jews.

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2018 at 5:10pm:

Here you go Aussie: polite_gandalf wrote on May 16th, 2018 at 4:18pm: freediver wrote on May 16th, 2018 at 4:10pm: Can you give an example where Muslims are responsible for their own actions? Sure, the whole unprecedented scientific flourishing during the Islamic Golden Age - for example. Or was it the jews? You know the guys who were apparently being oppressed and slaughtered at the same time? In case you do not get Gandalf's reference, a lot of the scientists who made advances during this time were non-Muslims, in particular Jews.

I know nothing about that.  How about my Malaysian example.  That one good enough for you?

I'm not sure what your point with that example is Aussie.

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2018 at 6:43pm:

I'm not sure what your point with that example is Aussie.

Crayons needed?

It was an example of "where Muslims are responsible for their own actions?"

And producing an outstanding outcome.

Ah. I thought there might be something more to it. Never mind.

This is where I need you to get the crayons out:


Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 9:51pm:

I have never changed my mind.  Yes, you misinterpret me for your own stupid agenda.

How have I misrepresented you Aussie?


Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 9:29pm:

freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:11pm: Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:09pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:04pm: So how many deaths on that battleground would it take to make you change your mind about this being a good idea for world peace? Would 1 million do it? Not my problem.  If an existing citizen of that artificially created State of Israel, after it is moved to Tasmania, elects to stay where they are.....and stateless.......that is their bed to lie in. How many times do you want me to say that before you actually 'get' it? How about ten million? Would you happily precipitate the slaughter of ten million Jews in order to bring about your final solution for world peace? If ten million citizens (or even one) elect to stay in a land stateless, meaningless, a landscape .....after the State of Israel was moved......yes, they made their bed, even if it be slaughter. Horse/water.

Is this, as I claimed, you insisting you would accept the death of ten million Jews in order to execute your final solution for world peace?

There is no insistence Effendi.  If people volunteer to remain in possible harm's way after they have been shown complete safety, peace and harmony....then that is at their feet.  Horse/water.

Here you are also accusing me of misrepresenting you, but I am no insisting on anything.


Aussie wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 3:33pm:

Quote: This is what you said Aussie. Did I trick you into agreeing to the slaughter of 10 million Jews? Show me I agreed to that, Effendi?  You have no chance because I have never ever said it.  You have 'tricked' yourself by pretending that others have said something they never said.  I have always referred to Israelis.

Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 10:17am:

I'll address this: Quote: You said you would accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace. I did not.

Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 3:03pm:

freediver wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 2:20pm: But you would be willing to accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace, in the sense that you would be willing to accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace? Just not in some other sense with a different meaning? I do not accept it, as I have explained.  If it happens, it will not be on my head.

Also Aussie, whenever I ask you what deaths you are talking about here:


Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 2:12pm:

Effendi we never hear from you about the many millions (Arabs, Jews, Christians whatever) slaughtered as a consequence of the creation of the State of Israel.   Why is that?

Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 9:51pm:

I am talking about deaths which have occurred in the ME as a direct consequence of the creation of the State of Israel.

You demand I provide the evidence. Can you at least explain what deaths you are referring to?

Would you accept that you never here from me about this because it is a fantasy that exists only in your head, perhaps to justify your willingness to send 10 million Jews to their death in the name of peace.

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You demand I provide the evidence. Can you at least explain what deaths you are referring to?

I shall repeat:


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I am talking about deaths which have occurred in the ME as a direct consequence of the creation of the State of Israel.

Like those in Gaza recently for example.


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Would you accept that you never here from me about this because it is a fantasy that exists only in your head, perhaps to justify your willingness to send 10 million Jews to their death in the name of peace.

Are there 10 million Jews in Israel, Effendi?

Aussie wrote on May 17^th, 2018 at 1:34pm:

Quote: You demand I provide the evidence. Can you at least explain what deaths you are referring to? I shall repeat: [quote]I am talking about deaths which have occurred in the ME as a direct consequence of the creation of the State of Israel.

Like those in Gaza recently for example.


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Would you accept that you never here from me about this because it is a fantasy that exists only in your head, perhaps to justify your willingness to send 10 million Jews to their death in the name of peace.

Are there 10 million Jews in Israel, Effendi? [/quote]

How do you get to millions of deaths Aussie? Do you just make it up as you go along?

Israel's population is a bit under 10 million.

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How do you get to millions of deaths Aussie? Do you just make it up as you go along?

Exuberance.  Hyberbole, just like yourself used as to the number MO allegedly slaughter among that so called 'mindless collective.'

So....you tell me the number, Effendi.  How many in Gaza this last week or so.  All okay by you?


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Israel's population is a bit under 10 million.

Really?  Amazeballs!  And how many Jews there, Effendi?  10 Million?  Or not?

You lied. I got my numbers from the wikipedia article about Muhammad's genocide of the Jews.

Would you like to give the actual number?

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2018 at 8:25pm:

You lied. I got my numbers from the wikipedia article about Muhammad's genocide of the Jews. Would you like to give the actual number?

Yes, but are there not other sources which dispute the number?  Speaking of numbers, Effendi, I try to be helpful, nothing else, and you......????  Was it something I said?

As for the actual number.....from memory of the discussion, it ranged from ....  the incident did not happen to ..... some different numbers.

I have no idea Effendi.  I was not there to see it.....if it happened.

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2018 at 12:49pm:

Here you are also accusing me of misrepresenting you, but I am no insisting on anything. Aussie wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 3:33pm: Quote: This is what you said Aussie. Did I trick you into agreeing to the slaughter of 10 million Jews? Show me I agreed to that, Effendi?  You have no chance because I have never ever said it.  You have 'tricked' yourself by pretending that others have said something they never said.  I have always referred to Israelis. Aussie wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 10:17am: I'll address this: [quote]You said you would accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace. I did not.

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Aussie did I actually misrepresent you on this?


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Yes, but are there not other sources which dispute the number?

Obviously. Gandalf for example thinks it was a significantly smaller genocide. Not sure whether this makes him a genocide denier. But the wikipedia info comes from the mainstream Muslim historians.

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2018 at 9:19pm:

freediver wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 12:49pm: Here you are also accusing me of misrepresenting you, but I am no insisting on anything. Aussie wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 3:33pm: Quote: This is what you said Aussie. Did I trick you into agreeing to the slaughter of 10 million Jews? Show me I agreed to that, Effendi?  You have no chance because I have never ever said it.  You have 'tricked' yourself by pretending that others have said something they never said.  I have always referred to Israelis. Aussie wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 10:17am: I'll address this: [quote]You said you would accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace. I did not.

Aussie did I actually misrepresent you on this?

If by 'this' you mean 10 Million Jews....yes you did.  There are not 10 Millions Jews in Israel, but no matter the number, it would be disturbing and almost suggestive of Lemming like behaviour, if Jews knocked back my offer to come to the newly and artificially created State of Israel in Tasmania.


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Yes, but are there not other sources which dispute the number?

Obviously. Gandalf for example thinks it was a significantly smaller genocide. Not sure whether this makes him a genocide denier. But the wikipedia info comes from the mainstream Muslim historians.

If I recall, Gandalf also produced credible contradictory sources as well. 

But isn't the real point that it is absurd of you to condemn an entire religion (or even me for being of willing, voluntary assistance to you today on numbers) on the basis of some event, whether it happened or not a zillion years ago, and then ignore the atrocities of other religions, ie Christianity in even more recent times?
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If by 'this' you mean 10 Million Jews....yes you did.

 

How did I misrepresent you? Would you only accept their slaughter as part of your final solution if they are not Jews?

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2018 at 10:27pm:

Quote: If by 'this' you mean 10 Million Jews....yes you did.   How did I misrepresent you? Would you only accept their slaughter as part of your final solution if they are not Jews?

There aren't 10 Million Jews in Israel.  I never said there was.  I have always referred to Israelis.  How often must I say that?

Do you think I'll change pretend to facts because you will not accept them for what they are?

How silly is that?

Was it something I posted in Feedback, Effendi....something done to assist you and for others and not merely or even for me?

I have to say, Effendi, that your reference to 'final solution' is a tad more than a tad offensive.  Would you mind not trying to paint me as antisemitic?  I am not.

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There aren't 10 Million Jews in Israel.  I never said there was.

I did not claim you did.


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I have always referred to Israelis.

If I called them human beings would you accuse me of misrepresenting you?


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How often must I say that?

I am not asking you to repeat yourself Aussie. I am asking you to explain how I misresresented your willingness to see 10 million Jews slaughtered as part of your final solution.


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I have to say, Effendi, that your reference to 'final solution' is a tad more than a tad offensive.

Aussie wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

freediver wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 8:23pm: Can we call it your final solution? Or do you have something special in store for the Jews when they get to Tasmania? Sure do.....Peace!

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 6:42pm:

Quote: Well there will be joyous goose stepping all over the place by filthy fkking socialist scum wouldn't there; the final solution carried out by the muslims. And why should we a stuff give.  The State of Israel and those who want to be citizens of it are safely in Tasmania.  Those in that neck of the woods can get back to doing what they have been doing for centuries, fighting each other over something or other. Arabia is for Arabs, not the State of Israel.

Aussie, some people find find your Arab racism offensive. Some people might find your willingness to initiate another holocaust effective. Some people might find your weasel words over the terminology offensive.

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2018 at 7:27am:

Quote: There aren't 10 Million Jews in Israel.  I never said there was. I did not claim you did. At what Post #? [quote]I have always referred to Israelis.

If I called them human beings would you accuse me of misrepresenting you?

No, that would be accurate.


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How often must I say that?

I am not asking you to repeat yourself Aussie. I am asking you to explain how I misresresented your willingness to see 10 million Jews slaughtered as part of your final solution.

Where are you getting 10 million Jews from?  There aren't 10 million Jews in Israel.


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I have to say, Effendi, that your reference to 'final solution' is a tad more than a tad offensive.

Aussie wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

freediver wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 8:23pm: Can we call it your final solution? Or do you have something special in store for the Jews when they get to Tasmania? Sure do.....Peace!

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 6:42pm:

Quote: Well there will be joyous goose stepping all over the place by filthy fkking socialist scum wouldn't there; the final solution carried out by the muslims. And why should we a stuff give.  The State of Israel and those who want to be citizens of it are safely in Tasmania.  Those in that neck of the woods can get back to doing what they have been doing for centuries, fighting each other over something or other. Arabia is for Arabs, not the State of Israel.

Aussie, some people find find your Arab racism offensive. Some people might find your willingness to initiate another holocaust effective. Some people might find your weasel words over the terminology offensive.

There is no 'Arab racism' in my posts.   I have not offered another holocaust.  I have offered peace harmony and prosperity.  There are no weasel words, Effendi.  Why can't we both be accurate?[/quote]

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Where are you getting 10 million Jews from?  There aren't 10 million Jews in Israel.

That's the number you said you would accept being slaughtered as part of your final solution. You appear to have drawn the line at 100 million. Is it might fault that you are willing to kill more people than Israel's total population in order to move the country?

Can you explain how I misrepresented you?

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2018 at 7:09pm:

Quote: Where are you getting 10 million Jews from?  There aren't 10 million Jews in Israel. That's the number you said you would accept being slaughtered as part of your final solution. You appear to have drawn the line at 100 million. Is it might fault that you are willing to kill more people than Israel's total population in order to move the country? Can you explain how I misrepresented you?

I already have.  I have never referred to 10 Million Jews.  You did, and further, at first it was 100 thousand you referred to, not 100 Million.

Have another go, Effendi.

So you would be willing to accept the death of ten million Jews as part of your final solution, but it is misrepresenting you say so?

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2018 at 8:35pm:

So you would be willing to accept the death of ten million Jews as part of your final solution, but it is misrepresenting you say so?

Yes Effendi, because I never referred to 10 million Jews.  I go out of my way NOT to mention Jews.  I prefer the term Israelis.

Are you saying that I misrepresent you just because I do not use the exact same wording?

Or because what I say is not true?

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2018 at 8:44pm:

Are you saying that I misrepresent you just because I do not use the exact same wording? Or because what I say is not true?

You misrepresent me, Effendi because you attempt to verbal me, just like you do with Gandalf, by asserting I have posted things that I have not.

Effendi...are the terms Israeli and Jew synonymous?

Are all Israelis Jews and are all Jews Israeli?

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2018 at 7:27am:

Quote: There aren't 10 Million Jews in Israel.  I never said there was. I did not claim you did. [quote]I have always referred to Israelis.

If I called them human beings would you accuse me of misrepresenting you?


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How often must I say that?

I am not asking you to repeat yourself Aussie. I am asking you to explain how I misresresented your willingness to see 10 million Jews slaughtered as part of your final solution.


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I have to say, Effendi, that your reference to 'final solution' is a tad more than a tad offensive.

Aussie wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

freediver wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 8:23pm: Can we call it your final solution? Or do you have something special in store for the Jews when they get to Tasmania? Sure do.....Peace!

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 6:42pm:

Quote: Well there will be joyous goose stepping all over the place by filthy fkking socialist scum wouldn't there; the final solution carried out by the muslims. And why should we a stuff give.  The State of Israel and those who want to be citizens of it are safely in Tasmania.  Those in that neck of the woods can get back to doing what they have been doing for centuries, fighting each other over something or other. Arabia is for Arabs, not the State of Israel.

Aussie, some people find find your Arab racism offensive. Some people might find your willingness to initiate another holocaust effective. Some people might find your weasel words over the terminology offensive.[/quote]

No one has the right to not be offended, FD.

You?

Aussie wrote on May 18^th, 2018 at 8:59pm:

Effendi...are the terms Israeli and Jew synonymous? Are all Israelis Jews and are all Jews Israeli?

Effendi's been all twisted up in the past between Orthodox Jews and secular Zionists. One, an ancient religious Biblical movement, the other a modern European nationalist cause. Effendi does not distinguish between them or appear to understand the fundamental difference.

I blame Islam. You?

Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 8:05pm:

Probably because it has always been a troublesome part of the Globe.  Kyber Pass and all that.

It's troublesome because it's Islamic, not because it's got high mountain passes. Switzerland and Ausstralia have them, they are not Muslimss = not trouble some.

Trust you to confidentyly get the wrong end of every stick.

Pakistan in the news:

Man, 22, has his eyes gouged out with a spoon by his father and brothers because he wanted to marry a girl of his choice in Pakistan

Offended his family's Muslim sensibilities, poor bastard.

Aussie wrote on May 18^th, 2018 at 8:58pm:

freediver wrote on May 18th, 2018 at 8:44pm: Are you saying that I misrepresent you just because I do not use the exact same wording? Or because what I say is not true? You misrepresent me, Effendi because you attempt to verbal me, just like you do with Gandalf, by asserting I have posted things that I have not.

I have provided direct quotes plenty of times Aussie. How is that misrepresenting you? Are you conceding that what I said is in fact true, but is misrepresenting you because it is "verballing"?


Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 9:29pm:

freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:11pm: Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:09pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:04pm: So how many deaths on that battleground would it take to make you change your mind about this being a good idea for world peace? Would 1 million do it? Not my problem.  If an existing citizen of that artificially created State of Israel, after it is moved to Tasmania, elects to stay where they are.....and stateless.......that is their bed to lie in. How many times do you want me to say that before you actually 'get' it? How about ten million? Would you happily precipitate the slaughter of ten million Jews in order to bring about your final solution for world peace? If ten million citizens (or even one) elect to stay in a land stateless, meaningless, a landscape .....after the State of Israel was moved......yes, they made their bed, even if it be slaughter. Horse/water.

You have verballed me with your ten million jews things.

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How about ten million? Would you happily precipitate the slaughter of ten million Jews in order to bring about your final solution for world peace?

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If ten million citizens (or even one) elect to stay in a land stateless, meaningless, a landscape .....after the State of Israel was moved......yes, they made their bed, even if it be slaughter.

Notice the very important difference Effendi?

You quoted my question and your answer. Seems pretty straight forward to me Aussie. Where is the misrepresentation? Are you saying I misrepresented you despite not saying anything that is incorrect?

Is "misrepresentation" your euphemism for an uncomfortable truth?

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2018 at 10:23am:

You quoted my question and your answer. Seems pretty straight forward to me Aussie. Where is the misrepresentation? Are you saying I misrepresented you despite not saying anything that is incorrect? Is "misrepresentation" your euphemism for an uncomfortable truth?

Are the terms Jews and citizens synonymous, Effendi?

If we are talking about leaving Israeli citizens behind to be slaughtered by Muslims, it's close enough.

How did I actually misrepresent you Aussie?

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2018 at 10:41am:

If we are talking about leaving Israeli citizens behind to be slaughtered by Muslims, it's close enough. How did I actually misrepresent you Aussie?

It is not even in the same postcode, let alone 'close.'

I have been very careful to avoid semitic terms and you have been quite deliberate in your attempts to paint me as anti semitic.

Further, there is not ten million jews in Israel.

There are no ten million citizens either, yet you are willing to kill ten million citizens in the process of moving Israel.

Are you blaming me for that fact you don't make sense?

Are you claiming I misrepresent you, despite not saying anything incorrect, because I am not making the same effort as you to avoid the appearance of antisemitism while slaughtering Jews?

We are off to Lunch now Effendi....I'll be back.

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2018 at 10:49am:

There are no ten million citizens either, yet you are willing to kill ten million citizens in the process of moving Israel. Are you blaming me for that fact you don't make sense? Are you claiming I misrepresent you, despite not saying anything incorrect, because I am not making the same effort as you to avoid the appearance of antisemitism while slaughtering Jews?

There you go yet again with another mis-represention.  I am slaughtering noone.  I am moving the State of Israel so it is out of harm's way.

Who is slaughtering rock tossing Gazan kids, Effendi?  You?

But you would accept the slaughter of ten million Jews as part of your final solution, right?

Just to avoid another loop round the circle, I am not asking you how you would spin it, I am asking if it is true.

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2018 at 12:38pm:

But you would accept the slaughter of ten million Jews as part of your final solution, right? Just to avoid another loop round the circle, I am not asking you how you would spin it, I am asking if it is true.

Simple answer to that question framed in that way in that terminology is, No.  I will not buy into your holocaust bullshit/spin.

Do you accept the recent IDF slaughter of hundreds of rock tossing otherwise unarmed Gazan kids, Effendi?

So what I said is misrepresenting you, despite being correct?

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2018 at 1:31pm:

So what I said is misrepresenting you, despite being correct?

You have 'said' so many things Effendi.  Which thing in particular are you now referring to?

It's been the same question the whole time Aussie.


freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2018 at 10:36pm:

This is where I need you to get the crayons out: Aussie wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 9:51pm: I have never changed my mind.  Yes, you misinterpret me for your own stupid agenda.  How have I misrepresented you Aussie? Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:29pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:11pm: Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:09pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:04pm: So how many deaths on that battleground would it take to make you change your mind about this being a good idea for world peace? Would 1 million do it? Not my problem.  If an existing citizen of that artificially created State of Israel, after it is moved to Tasmania, elects to stay where they are.....and stateless.......that is their bed to lie in. How many times do you want me to say that before you actually 'get' it? How about ten million? Would you happily precipitate the slaughter of ten million Jews in order to bring about your final solution for world peace? If ten million citizens (or even one) elect to stay in a land stateless, meaningless, a landscape .....after the State of Israel was moved......yes, they made their bed, even if it be slaughter. Horse/water. Is this, as I claimed, you insisting you would accept the death of ten million Jews in order to execute your final solution for world peace?

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2018 at 12:49pm:

Here you are also accusing me of misrepresenting you, but I am no insisting on anything. Aussie wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 3:33pm: Quote: This is what you said Aussie. Did I trick you into agreeing to the slaughter of 10 million Jews? Show me I agreed to that, Effendi?  You have no chance because I have never ever said it.  You have 'tricked' yourself by pretending that others have said something they never said.  I have always referred to Israelis. Aussie wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 10:17am: I'll address this: [quote]You said you would accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace. I did not.

Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 3:03pm:

freediver wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 2:20pm: But you would be willing to accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace, in the sense that you would be willing to accept 10 million dead Jews to achieve your vision of peace? Just not in some other sense with a different meaning? I do not accept it, as I have explained.  If it happens, it will not be on my head.

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I do not accept it, as I have explained.  If it happens, it will not be on my head.

Seems very clear to me.  Which part of that are you struggling to understand, Effendi?

Denying responsibility for your holocaust is not the same as not accepting it. You stated quite clearly that you would accept it as the price of your final solution, then tried to pretend that not taking responsibility for it means you would not accept it.

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2018 at 2:48pm:

Denying responsibility for your holocaust is not the same as not accepting it. You stated quite clearly that you would accept it as the price of your final solution, then tried to pretend that not taking responsibility for it means you would not accept it.

I'm giddy trying to understand that drivel!  I am proposing no holocaust (that is a term you deliberately introduced to sex up your attack) and I have never used the expression 'final solution.'  (That's also your term deliberately introduced to sex up your attack.)

It will not work, Effendi.  I will not take your baits.  Try hitting the keys harder.

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I have never used the expression 'final solution.'

You specifically endorsed the use of the term "final solution" to describe your efforts to destroy a state that happens to be a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and barbaric parts of the world, merely because it is nominally Jewish.


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I'm giddy trying to understand that drivel!

You said you would accept ten million deaths. Then you tried to backpedal when I said you would accept ten million deaths.

Understand it now?

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2018 at 3:08pm:

Quote: I have never used the expression 'final solution.' You specifically endorsed the use of the term "final solution" to describe your efforts to destroy a state that happens to be a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and barbaric parts of the world, merely because it is nominally Jewish. No.  That is where your bigotry kicks in.  I am not in the least bit negatively concerned about Jews.  My focus has always been on the geographical location of the State of Israel.  I have never used or endorsed the term 'final solution.'  That is your term, one you deliberately introduced to sex up your attack and stupidity attempting to paint me as Anti Semitic.  Will not work, Effendi. [quote]I'm giddy trying to understand that drivel!

You said you would accept ten million deaths. Then you tried to backpedal when I said you would accept ten million deaths.

Understand it now?

No.  I think I said that the deaths of ten million would be 'disturbing.'  I don't accept your proposition that if the State of Israel (and Western support for it) moved to Tasmania there need be or would be a slaughter of ten million people.  Any sane citizen of Israel would come to my new Promised Land.  I am not going to accept responsibility for the consequences of insane lemming like "mindless collective" behaviour.[/quote]

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No.  That is where your bigotry kicks in.  I am not in the least bit negatively concerned about Jews.

I did not say you were. Here you go again claiming I misrepresent you, when I merely point out a truth you don't feel comfortable with.


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I have never used or endorsed the term 'final solution.'

Yes you did. I even quoted you on the previous page.


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That is your term, one you deliberately introduced to sex up your attack and stupidity attempting to paint me as Anti Semitic.  Will not work, Effendi.

Sure. Ten million dead Jews doesn't make you look anti-semitic at all. Nor does the whole "Arabia is for Arabs" nonsense. Or making up lies about millions of deaths caused by Israel.


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No.  I think I said that the deaths of ten million would be 'disturbing.'

No. That was when we got to 100 million. I have quoted you repeatedly on this as well. You said you would accept the death of ten million.


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I don't accept your proposition that if the State of Israel (and Western support for it) moved to Tasmania there need be or would be a slaughter of ten million people.

What proposition?

Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2018 at 3:29pm:

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2018 at 3:08pm: Quote: I have never used the expression 'final solution.' You specifically endorsed the use of the term "final solution" to describe your efforts to destroy a state that happens to be a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and barbaric parts of the world, merely because it is nominally Jewish. No.  That is where your bigotry kicks in.  I am not in the least bit negatively concerned about Jews.  My focus has always been on the geographical location of the State of Israel.  I have never used or endorsed the term 'final solution.'  That is your term, one you deliberately introduced to sex up your attack and stupidity attempting to paint me as Anti Semitic.  Will not work, Effendi. [quote]I'm giddy trying to understand that drivel! You said you would accept ten million deaths. Then you tried to backpedal when I said you would accept ten million deaths. Understand it now? No.  I think I said that the deaths of ten million would be 'disturbing.'  I don't accept your proposition that if the State of Israel (and Western support for it) moved to Tasmania there need be or would be a slaughter of ten million people.  Any sane citizen of Israel would come to my new Promised Land.  I am not going to accept responsibility for the consequences of insane lemming like "mindless collective" behaviour.

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Arab Muslims were violent conquerors of Judea and Samaria (present day Israel).
The Jews were violent conquerors of the territory before them.

Then came the Ottomans, the french and the British.
Then the Jews took it back from all of them, repeating the ancient conquest, if you like.

The Muslims have no special claim, just as the Brits and the french don't. The Jews have a de facto claim - they have established a real, democratic, actual, high-functioning country. 
Can't say that for any of their Arab neighbours, really, certainly not for Palestinians in Gaza or WB.

Hows it going, fellas! First post here. For comprehensive history lessons on the middle east, Israel, Palestine, Syria, the USA, etc.. check out Blackstoneintelligence.com Its on YouTube too!

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they have established a real, democratic, actual, high-functioning country.

Rubbish.  The State of Israel was established by the West post WW2, and sustained by the West to the tune of Billions to this very day.

Move it.  Win/win/win.

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2018 at 6:23pm:

Quote: No.  That is where your bigotry kicks in.  I am not in the least bit negatively concerned about Jews. I did not say you were. Here you go again claiming I misrepresent you, when I merely point out a truth you don't feel comfortable with. There has never been any truth you have pointed out that I was uncomfortable with. [quote]I have never used or endorsed the term 'final solution.'

Yes you did. I even quoted you on the previous page.

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That is your term, one you deliberately introduced to sex up your attack and stupidity attempting to paint me as Anti Semitic.  Will not work, Effendi.

Sure. Ten million dead Jews doesn't make you look anti-semitic at all. Nor does the whole "Arabia is for Arabs" nonsense. Or making up lies about millions of deaths caused by Israel.

If I was urging the deaths of ten million Jews, yes that would be anti semitic/holocaust/final soultion stuff.  The problem is Effendi, I have never done that.


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No.  I think I said that the deaths of ten million would be 'disturbing.'

No. That was when we got to 100 million. I have quoted you repeatedly on this as well. You said you would accept the death of ten million.

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I don't accept your proposition that if the State of Israel (and Western support for it) moved to Tasmania there need be or would be a slaughter of ten million people.

What proposition?

The one you keep repeating...that if the State of Israel was moved to Tasmania, ten million people would be slaughtered.[/quote]

Effendi, have you yet worked out who killed some Gazan rock tossing kids recently?  Too hard for you to confront?

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freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2018 at 5:10pm:

Here you go Aussie: polite_gandalf wrote on May 16th, 2018 at 4:18pm: freediver wrote on May 16th, 2018 at 4:10pm: Can you give an example where Muslims are responsible for their own actions? Sure, the whole unprecedented scientific flourishing during the Islamic Golden Age - for example. Or was it the jews? You know the guys who were apparently being oppressed and slaughtered at the same time? In case you do not get Gandalf's reference, a lot of the scientists who made advances during this time were non-Muslims, in particular Jews.

Well depending on which particular meme we are peddling - jews were either flourishing scientifically under the muslims, or getting slaughtered - we haven't quite finalised a consistent narrative there.

Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2018 at 7:20pm:

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2018 at 6:23pm: Quote: No.  That is where your bigotry kicks in.  I am not in the least bit negatively concerned about Jews. I did not say you were. Here you go again claiming I misrepresent you, when I merely point out a truth you don't feel comfortable with. There has never been any truth you have pointed out that I was uncomfortable with. [quote]I have never used or endorsed the term 'final solution.' Yes you did. I even quoted you on the previous page. Give me the post #.  You use these quote bombs quite deliberately to mislead and misrepresent. [quote]That is your term, one you deliberately introduced to sex up your attack and stupidity attempting to paint me as Anti Semitic.  Will not work, Effendi.

Sure. Ten million dead Jews doesn't make you look anti-semitic at all. Nor does the whole "Arabia is for Arabs" nonsense. Or making up lies about millions of deaths caused by Israel.

If I was urging the deaths of ten million Jews, yes that would be anti semitic/holocaust/final soultion stuff.  The problem is Effendi, I have never done that.


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No.  I think I said that the deaths of ten million would be 'disturbing.'

No. That was when we got to 100 million. I have quoted you repeatedly on this as well. You said you would accept the death of ten million.

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I don't accept your proposition that if the State of Israel (and Western support for it) moved to Tasmania there need be or would be a slaughter of ten million people.

What proposition?

The one you keep repeating...that if the State of Israel was moved to Tasmania, ten million people would be slaughtered.[/quote]

Effendi, have you yet worked out who killed some Gazan rock tossing kids recently?  Too hard for you to confront?
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You would accept the death of ten million Jews as part of your final solution - true or false Aussie?

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You would accept the death of ten million Jews as part of your final solution - true or false Aussie?

Watch this Effendi....this is how to answer a question directly.

No.  I have never referred to Jews or a final solution.

I am not asking you what teminology you would use Aussie.

Would you accept the death of ten million Jews as part of your final solution?

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2018 at 9:42pm:

I am not asking you what teminology you would use Aussie. Would you accept the death of ten million Jews as part of your final solution?

No.

I reject your final solution comment.  How many times must I tell you that I will not allow you to verbal me.

Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2018 at 7:20pm:

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2018 at 6:23pm: Quote: No.  That is where your bigotry kicks in.  I am not in the least bit negatively concerned about Jews. I did not say you were. Here you go again claiming I misrepresent you, when I merely point out a truth you don't feel comfortable with. There has never been any truth you have pointed out that I was uncomfortable with. [quote]I have never used or endorsed the term 'final solution.' Yes you did. I even quoted you on the previous page. Give me the post #.  You use these quote bombs quite deliberately to mislead and misrepresent. [quote]That is your term, one you deliberately introduced to sex up your attack and stupidity attempting to paint me as Anti Semitic.  Will not work, Effendi.

Sure. Ten million dead Jews doesn't make you look anti-semitic at all. Nor does the whole "Arabia is for Arabs" nonsense. Or making up lies about millions of deaths caused by Israel.

If I was urging the deaths of ten million Jews, yes that would be anti semitic/holocaust/final soultion stuff.  The problem is Effendi, I have never done that.


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No.  I think I said that the deaths of ten million would be 'disturbing.'

No. That was when we got to 100 million. I have quoted you repeatedly on this as well. You said you would accept the death of ten million.

Show me where I said I would accept personal responsibility for those deaths, per se.


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I don't accept your proposition that if the State of Israel (and Western support for it) moved to Tasmania there need be or would be a slaughter of ten million people.

What proposition?

The one you keep repeating...that if the State of Israel was moved to Tasmania, ten million people would be slaughtered.[/quote]

Effendi, have you yet worked out who killed some Gazan rock tossing kids recently?  Too hard for you to confront?
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Effendi?

Aussie wrote on May 21^st, 2018 at 9:47pm:

freediver wrote on May 21st, 2018 at 9:42pm: I am not asking you what teminology you would use Aussie. Would you accept the death of ten million Jews as part of your final solution? No. I reject your final solution comment.  How many times must I tell you that I will not allow you to verbal me.

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 9:29pm:

freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:11pm: Would you happily precipitate the slaughter of ten million Jews in order to bring about your final solution for world peace? yes

How do I tell which one is you being honest?

Naughty Effendi!  You are quoting me out of context.  At what Post # does that exchange occur?

I found it Effendi, and you really are a very naughty boy.  You ought be kicked up the clacker by yourself or a GMod. 

Outrageous misrepresentation of what I said.

You posted (and the Forums times are out of whack somehow...)


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Re: slaughtering Jews for world peace Reply #4 - May 4th, 2018 at 9:11pm    Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:09pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:04pm: So how many deaths on that battleground would it take to make you change your mind about this being a good idea for world peace? Would 1 million do it?

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Not my problem.  If an existing citizen of that artificially created State of Israel, after it is moved to Tasmania, elects to stay where they are.....and stateless.......that is their bed to lie in. How many times do you want me to say that before you actually 'get' it?

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How about ten million? Would you happily precipitate the slaughter of ten million Jews in order to bring about your final solution for world peace?

It seems I did not respond.

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freediver Gold Member      Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 40655 I like fish       Re: slaughtering Jews for world peace Reply #6 - May 4th, 2018 at 11:10pm    Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:29pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:11pm: Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:09pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:04pm: So how many deaths on that battleground would it take to make you change your mind about this being a good idea for world peace? Would 1 million do it?

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Not my problem.  If an existing citizen of that artificially created State of Israel, after it is moved to Tasmania, elects to stay where they are.....and stateless.......that is their bed to lie in. How many times do you want me to say that before you actually 'get' it?

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How about ten million? Would you happily precipitate the slaughter of ten million Jews in order to bring about your final solution for world peace?

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If ten million citizens (or even one) elect to stay in a land stateless, meaningless, a landscape .....after the State of Israel was moved......yes, they made their bed, even if it be slaughter. Horse/water.

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And you think this is the path to peace?

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Aussie Gold Member      Online OzPolitic Posts: 38224 Gender:        Re: slaughtering Jews for world peace Reply #7 - May 5th, 2018 at 2:23am    Yes.

Completely different context and you, Effendi are very naughty.

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Posted by: freediver  Mark & Quote Quote      Posted on: Today at 6:55pm Aussie wrote Yesterday at 9:47pm: freediver wrote Yesterday at 9:42pm: I am not asking you what teminology you would use Aussie. Would you accept the death of ten million Jews as part of your final solution? No. I reject your final solution comment.  How many times must I tell you that I will not allow you to verbal me. Aussie wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:29pm: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:11pm: Would you happily precipitate the slaughter of ten million Jews in order to bring about your final solution for world peace? yes How do I tell which one is you being honest?

My single word 'yes,' is to a totally different question question and context.