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Member Run Boards >> Environment >> Climate models increasing temp poor countries http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1525417120 Message started by lee on May 4th, 2018 at 4:58pm |
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Title: Climate models increasing temp poor countries Post by lee on May 4th, 2018 at 4:58pm Quote:
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/5/eaar5809 But I thought it was about the mid latitudes and the poles. And of course it is supposed to be mainly night time temperatures I guess there goes the funding for the poley bears and cute penguins. |
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Title: Re: Climate models increasing temp poor countries Post by Super Nova on May 4th, 2018 at 9:41pm lee wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 4:58pm:
They are referring to temperature variability. "requires an understanding not only of the changes in the mean climate but also whether and how climate variability will change" "The predicted increases in temperature variability in the identified hotspots suggest the potential for substantial impacts on top of the impacts caused by changes in the mean climate. Poor countries are located in the identified hotspot regions of increasing temperature variability" But I thought it was about the mid latitudes and the poles. Isn't because as stated in below extract in the past the focus was on the mid and higher latitudes. "Previous studies analyzing variability changes predicted by climate models have focused on changes in variance (12), mostly in high and mid-latitudes (13) and the global mean temperature (14, 15). Here, we analyze changes in the standard deviation (SD) of monthly temperature anomalies on a local scale, with the aims of (i) identifying regional hotspots where models agree on the largest magnitude changes" |
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Title: Re: Climate models increasing temp poor countries Post by lee on May 4th, 2018 at 10:35pm Super Nova wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Wow. Thank you Captain Obvious. Now if you knew about CO2 Theory, you would know that it is postulated the bulk of the warming will be in the mid to northern latitudes. That's the THEORY. With night time temperatures increasing more than the day time temperatures. That is also supposed to happen in the tropics but to a lesser extent. And of course the poorer countries are in the tropics; generally. Now if the night time temperatures increase more than the day time temperatures; the temperature variability must LESSEN. Yes? |
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Title: Re: Climate models increasing temp poor countries Post by The_Barnacle on May 5th, 2018 at 11:52am lee wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 10:35pm:
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D No lee, you have got it wrong again. Temperature variability doesn't refer to the difference between night and day temperatures. It refers to how temperatures vary from day to day. |
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Title: Re: Climate models increasing temp poor countries Post by lee on May 6th, 2018 at 5:00pm The_Barnacle wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 11:52am:
From the paper - "Here, we analyze changes in the standard deviation (SD) of monthly temperature anomalies on a local scale, with the aims of (i) identifying regional hotspots where models agree on the largest magnitude changes and (ii) investigating the physical mechanisms behind the identified changes." Now quite how you propose to then identify day to day data is beyond me. And they want to make you a Science Mod? |
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Title: Re: Climate models increasing temp poor countries Post by The_Barnacle on May 6th, 2018 at 5:18pm lee wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 10:35pm:
lee wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 5:00pm:
Nice diversion lee. You've obviously accepted your ignorance in your previous post. Months are made up of days are they not? You are just playing semantics to cover your own mistake. |
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Title: Re: Climate models increasing temp poor countries Post by lee on May 6th, 2018 at 8:16pm The_Barnacle wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 5:18pm:
Not at all. Read the paper. Though that is probably beyond you. ;) More from the paper - "Because of the variability of climate on multiple time scales, observational time series are usually too short to detect a clear human influence on climate variability (16–18). Here, instead, we analyze all available state-of-the art climate models from the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project 5 (CMIP5) (19), which were used to inform the last report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Our time series consist of the historical simulation starting in 1850, followed by the future scenario with the largest greenhouse gas emissions, RCP8.5 (20). " So not using data because the time scales are too small; using CMP5 which are still running too hot; starting 1850 where there was very little data and wide error bars; using RCP8.5, of which the earth doesn't have enough fossil fuel, to reach. "In the following, we examine monthly temperature anomalies, where each anomaly value represents the deviation from the 30-year running mean of the same month at a particular grid cell in a model (see Materials and Methods). We then analyze the changes in SD over time that are associated with global warming." "Fig. 1 Relative changes of SD of monthly temperature anomalies until the end of the 21st century." Yeah. They did daily diagnostics until 2100. ;) Or maybe they mislabelled the graphs and it should be daily anomalies. |
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