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Title: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Love, aka Brother Love on May 1^st, 2018 at 2:17am

According to the NRA "good guy with a gun" theology, the VP should be safer than safe ...

Parkland Survivors Mock NRA for Banning Guns During Pence Speech at Convention

Quote:

Guns will be banned from the premises when Vice President Mike Pence speaks at a National Rifle Association convention in Dallas on Friday. Before and during the speech, attendees are prohibited from bringing “firearms and firearm accessories, knives or weapons of any kind,” the NRA wrote as it announced Pence’s presence at the conference.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/parkland-survivors-mock-nra-for-banning-guns-during-pence-speech-at-convention.html

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by BigOl64 on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:27am

The NRA is never too keen on having a bunch of armed, hyped up civilians at any of their big events.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by greggerypeccary on May 1^st, 2018 at 7:13am

;D

Priceless.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Bojack Horseman on May 1^st, 2018 at 9:08am

BigOl64 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:27am:

The NRA is never too keen on having a bunch of armed, hyped up civilians at any of their big events.

But all too happy to have them elsewhere in society.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Panther on May 1^st, 2018 at 9:44am

BigOl64 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:27am:

The NRA is never too keen on having a bunch of armed, hyped up civilians at any of their big events.

Quote:

Guns will be banned from the premises when Vice President Mike Pence speaks at a National Rifle Association convention in Dallas on Friday. Before and during the speech, attendees are prohibited from bringing “firearms and firearm accessories, knives or weapons of any kind,” the NRA wrote as it announced Pence’s presence at the conference.

The Ban was a demand by the U.S. Secret Service (the elite squad that guards the U.S. President, Vice-President, ex-Presidents & VPs, members of Congress, & other VIPs & dignitaries) which is customary where ever they go, but know full well that the Secret Service is always armed to the eyeballs, with full discretion to use lethal force, for any reason they deem necessary.

The NRA has nothing to do with the ban while the VP is there. All they do is pass-the-word. They are under the Secret Service's total control, as is the entire event.

God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by mortdooley on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:24pm

BigOl64 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:27am:

The NRA is never too keen on having a bunch of armed, hyped up civilians at any of their big events.

You are mistaken, the NRA has no problem with the legally armed citizen. The Secret Service takes the safety of those they protect to the extreme. When the Annual meeting came to Houston thousands of attendees including yours truely were armed during the speeches given by Sarah Palin, John Bolton, Ted Cruz, Rick Perry and a few others. When I attended the Louisville meeting it was common to see people wearing sidearms in the open.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Bojack Horseman on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:26pm

Were you expecting trouble mortdooley?

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by mortdooley on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:31pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:26pm:

Were you expecting trouble mortdooley?

No, just careful. The convention center in Houston is in a bad neighborhood.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Rhino on May 1^st, 2018 at 2:06pm

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:26pm:

Were you expecting trouble mortdooley?

No, just careful. The convention center in Houston is in a bad neighborhood.

Do you gun nuts live your whole life being scared of others?

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Panther on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:00pm

rhino wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 2:06pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:26pm:

Were you expecting trouble mortdooley?

No, just careful. The convention center in Houston is in a bad neighborhood.

Do you gun nuts live your whole life being scared of others?

I can't speak for them, but IMHO, being justifiably cautious is not the same as being scared.

Being scared is a government, or a society, not willing to trust it's law abiding citizens with the Right to effectively defend themselves with firearms.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Bojack Horseman on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:01pm

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:26pm:

Were you expecting trouble mortdooley?

No, just careful. The convention center in Houston is in a bad neighborhood.

Then get them to organise security.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Panther on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:23pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:01pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:26pm:

Were you expecting trouble mortdooley?

No, just careful. The convention center in Houston is in a bad neighborhood.

Then get them to organise security.

They have......they issue Firearm Carry Permits.

Being responsible for your own defense is more effective than depending on the government to defend the public.

It's been estimated that in well over 90% of all violent crimes, where the authorities were called for help before the crime, the police show up after the crime has already been committed. That's why the police are issued chalk.

IMHO......Personal responsibility is the better answer. ;)

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by longweekend58 on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:32pm

rhino wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 2:06pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:26pm:

Were you expecting trouble mortdooley?

No, just careful. The convention center in Houston is in a bad neighborhood.

Do you gun nuts live your whole life being scared of others?

yes. Constantly.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Bojack Horseman on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:43pm

Panther wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:23pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:01pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:26pm:

Were you expecting trouble mortdooley?

No, just careful. The convention center in Houston is in a bad neighborhood.

Then get them to organise security.

Thats not security, thats allowing rednecks to openly carry weapons

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Panther on May 1^st, 2018 at 4:53pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:43pm:

Panther wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:23pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:01pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:26pm:

Were you expecting trouble mortdooley?

No, just careful. The convention center in Houston is in a bad neighborhood.

Then get them to organise security.

Thats not security, thats allowing rednecks to openly carry weapons

Well over 16,000,000 Americans carry their firearms concealed everywhere, on & off the job, & the number is increasing by thousands per day........cops, teachers, taxi drivers, politicians, waiters, the clergy, talk show hosts, hotel doormen, celebrities, doctors, students, girl scout leaders, boy scout leaders, auto repairmen, real estate agents, salesmen, etc.., etc.., etc.., etc.., etc..

There is no knowing how many are carrying a firearm concealed without a permit, even though in some States (~~13 States as of 2017~~ 14 States as of April, 2018) it is legal to carry a concealed firearm without any permit required.....it's called Constitutional Carry, where the Second Amendment is your carry permit, & it never expires. ;)

In America, it's estimated that only a few hundred thousand actually carry their firearms openly.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Bojack Horseman on May 1^st, 2018 at 4:58pm

Panther wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 4:53pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:43pm:

Panther wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:23pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:01pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:26pm:

Were you expecting trouble mortdooley?

No, just careful. The convention center in Houston is in a bad neighborhood.

Then get them to organise security.

Thats not security, thats allowing rednecks to openly carry weapons

Well over 16,000,000 Americans carry their firearms concealed everywhere, on & off the job, & the number is increasing by thousands per day........cops, teachers, taxi drivers, politicians, waiters, the clergy, talk show hosts, hotel doormen, celebrities, doctors, students, girl scout leaders, boy scout leaders, auto repairmen, real estate agents, salesmen, etc.., etc.., etc.., etc.., etc..

There is no knowing how many are carrying a firearm concealed without a permit, even though in some States (13 States as of 2017) it is legal to carry a concealed firearm without any permit required.....it's called Constitutional Carry, where the Second Amendment is your carry permit, & it never expires. ;)

In America, it's estimated that only a few hundred thousand actually carry their firearms openly.

I'd still classify that as a few hundred thousand too many

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Panther on May 1^st, 2018 at 5:03pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 4:58pm:

Panther wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 4:53pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:43pm:

Panther wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:23pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:01pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:26pm:

Were you expecting trouble mortdooley?

No, just careful. The convention center in Houston is in a bad neighborhood.

Then get them to organise security.

Thats not security, thats allowing rednecks to openly carry weapons

Well over 16,000,000 Americans carry their firearms concealed everywhere, on & off the job, & the number is increasing by thousands per day........cops, teachers, taxi drivers, politicians, waiters, the clergy, talk show hosts, hotel doormen, celebrities, doctors, students, girl scout leaders, boy scout leaders, auto repairmen, real estate agents, salesmen, etc.., etc.., etc.., etc.., etc..

There is no knowing how many are carrying a firearm concealed without a permit, even though in some States (13 States as of 2017) it is legal to carry a concealed firearm without any permit required.....it's called Constitutional Carry, where the Second Amendment is your carry permit, & it never expires. ;)

In America, it's estimated that only a few hundred thousand actually carry their firearms openly.

I'd still classify that as a few hundred thousand too many

Americans are probably glad you live here, but there are quite a few that think along the same lines as you over there........not as many as you might think though. ;)

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by BigOl64 on May 1^st, 2018 at 5:17pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:32pm:

rhino wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 2:06pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:26pm:

Were you expecting trouble mortdooley?

No, just careful. The convention center in Houston is in a bad neighborhood.

Do you gun nuts live your whole life being scared of others?

yes. Constantly.

Not as scared of as otherwise normal Australians are of chemically powered inanimate objects.

Fear drives stupidity, welcome to Australia home of the rolled gold terrified fkkwit.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Bojack Horseman on May 1^st, 2018 at 9:14pm

BigOl64 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 5:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:32pm:

rhino wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 2:06pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:26pm:

Were you expecting trouble mortdooley?

No, just careful. The convention center in Houston is in a bad neighborhood.

Do you gun nuts live your whole life being scared of others?

yes. Constantly.

Not as scared of as otherwise normal Australians are of chemically powered inanimate objects.

Fear drives stupidity, welcome to Australia home of the rolled gold terrified fkkwit.

N o not scared of the objedt, scared of the mentality of a person who wants to own one.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by mortdooley on May 1^st, 2018 at 9:44pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:01pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:26pm:

Were you expecting trouble mortdooley?

No, just careful. The convention center in Houston is in a bad neighborhood.

Then get them to organise security.

I will try as a courtesy to clear up your misunderstanding but I know I am wasting my time. The police Department is the organized Security and when seconds count, they are only minutes away.

Crime always goes down when criminals have a reason to fear their potential victims. Because some honest people in most crowds may be armed the criminal doesn't know who is not.

Some of you obsess about firearms while the rest of us just live our lives and "carry". (I carry a pocket knife too, oh my) Maybe I should research what small group in your country commits the majority of crimes and continually blame all of you. If your government would put more restrictions on your lives maybe those committing the crimes would change their behavior. After all, you are just one big happy family.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by BigOl64 on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:07pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 9:14pm:

BigOl64 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 5:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:32pm:

rhino wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 2:06pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:26pm:

Were you expecting trouble mortdooley?

No, just careful. The convention center in Houston is in a bad neighborhood.

Do you gun nuts live your whole life being scared of others?

yes. Constantly.

Not as scared of as otherwise normal Australians are of chemically powered inanimate objects.

Fear drives stupidity, welcome to Australia home of the rolled gold terrified fkkwit.

N o not scared of the objedt, scared of the mentality of a person who wants to own one.

We have lived safely in the knowledge that violent criminals have had access to semi-automatic weapons in this country for 20 years, so who are you scared of, not the criminals surely.

If violent criminals haven't committed a mass murder in the last 20 years with semi-autos what are you scared of?

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by mortdooley on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:36pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 9:14pm:

BigOl64 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 5:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:32pm:

rhino wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 2:06pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:26pm:

Were you expecting trouble mortdooley?

No, just careful. The convention center in Houston is in a bad neighborhood.

Do you gun nuts live your whole life being scared of others?

yes. Constantly.

Not as scared of as otherwise normal Australians are of chemically powered inanimate objects.

Fear drives stupidity, welcome to Australia home of the rolled gold terrified fkkwit.

No not scared of the object, scared of the mentality of a person who wants to own one.

You definitely concern yourself with the wrong people. If you could make the distinction between those who only own one and only the ammo in it and the rest of us you might be on to something. A firearm is not a magic talisman and without a knowledge of proper gun handling can be a liability. Most Americans are responsible and don't need Nanny telling them how they must live their lives because other people are the problem.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Rhino on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:24am

BigOl64 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:07pm:

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We have lived safely in the knowledge that violent criminals have had access to semi-automatic weapons in this country for 20 years, so who are you scared of, not the criminals surely.

If violent criminals haven't committed a mass murder in the last 20 years with semi-autos what are you scared of?

Looks like you are projecting here, I dont own a personal firearm and Im not scared. Get it? You do own a firearm and are scared. otherwise you wouldnt own one. Its you who are the fraidy cat Bighole.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Rhino on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:26am

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:36pm:

Most Americans are responsible and don't need Nanny telling them how they must live their lives because other people are the problem.

Arent the majority of gun deaths accidents? How many children die every year from obtaining improperly stored firearms? How is this an argument for responsible gun owners?

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by BigOl64 on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:51am

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:24am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:07pm:

Yeah. nice try, but I also do not own a gun and am not scared not of gun owners, of guns or criminals with guns.

We are talking about those who are terrified of law abiding gun owners getting hold of semi-autos and the like. Even thought our violent criminals have been armed with semi-autos this whole time.

Understand Rhinhole?

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Rhino on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:26am

BigOl64 wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:51am:

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:24am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:07pm:

No one has stated they are terrified of law abiding gun owners getting hold of semi autos. While some criminals may indeed have access to semi autos gun crime is not increasing or out of control in this country. Because criminals may seek to obtain banned weapons doesnt mean that the average person should have access to them. Facile argument.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by BigOl64 on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:10am

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:26am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:51am:

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:24am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:07pm:

Luckily it was not an argument I presented.

Pretty much what I said about violent criminal having access to semi-autos and yet not one single mass shooting

You might want to talk to longy and brian ross about their massive fear of law abiding gun owners getting semi-autos, it's pretty out there, in fact our entire gun laws are based on that very fear and have been for 20 years.

Yep you're really good at this, well done champ.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Love, aka Brother Love on May 2^nd, 2018 at 5:47am

Let's say it is true that the Secret Service won't allow firearms in the venue with the VP. Then where is the NRA's protest? Why are they not sending out their usually outspoken attack dogs? Why is not FOX News filled with NRA spokespeople frothing at the mouth in outrage? These same spokespeople had plenty of say after the Parkland shooting ... and every other mass shooting. Why did the NRA not simply cancel the VP's appearance out of protest?

Does anyone really believe that this is all there is to this story?

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Panther on May 2^nd, 2018 at 8:39am

Love, aka Brother Love wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 5:47am:

Because contrary to your obviously errant personal beliefs, the NRA does not 'protest' every minoe inconvenience at the drop of the hat. They understand the security measures required by the Secret Service, & they want the Vice President to speak to the many thousands of decent, law abiding firearm owners & enthusiasts who wish to hear the VP's message about his 100% support for the Second Amendment of the United States, which guarantees their Right to Keep & Bear Arms, & forbids governmental infringement of that Right.

American Gun owners, the NRA Members their families....men, women - young & old, understand the security measures in place, & don't mind the temporary inconvenience (while the Vice-President is present). They want to hear all the speakers & especially the Vice President.

Much to the chagrin of the Anti-Gun, Anti-Second Amendment, Left Wing Extremists, the NRA will be holding their Meeting as scheduled, & the Vice President ..... along with a long list of high ranking Pro-Gun speakers ...... will be addressing the members regarding everything that's planned by the NRA to protect American Gun Rights & the U.S. Constitution.

God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by greggerypeccary on May 2^nd, 2018 at 8:44am

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:36pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 9:14pm:

BigOl64 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 5:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:32pm:

rhino wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 2:06pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:26pm:

Were you expecting trouble mortdooley?

No, just careful. The convention center in Houston is in a bad neighborhood.

Do you gun nuts live your whole life being scared of others?

yes. Constantly.

Not as scared of as otherwise normal Australians are of chemically powered inanimate objects.

Fear drives stupidity, welcome to Australia home of the rolled gold terrified fkkwit.

No not scared of the object, scared of the mentality of a person who wants to own one.

From 2006-2016, almost 6,885 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings.

In 2016 alone, there were 495 incidents of accidental firearm deaths.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Panther on May 2^nd, 2018 at 9:07am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 8:44am:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:36pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 9:14pm:

BigOl64 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 5:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:32pm:

rhino wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 2:06pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:31pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:26pm:

Were you expecting trouble mortdooley?

No, just careful. The convention center in Houston is in a bad neighborhood.

Do you gun nuts live your whole life being scared of others?

yes. Constantly.

Not as scared of as otherwise normal Australians are of chemically powered inanimate objects.

Fear drives stupidity, welcome to Australia home of the rolled gold terrified fkkwit.

No not scared of the object, scared of the mentality of a person who wants to own one.

From 2006-2016, almost 6,885 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings.

In 2016 alone, there were 495 incidents of accidental firearm deaths.

.000022% taking into account that there are in excess of 325 million people in America.
Accidents Happens ..... Children drown unintentually, & people fall off Ladders too.......

Better education may also be necessary.....

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Rhino on May 2^nd, 2018 at 10:30am

BigOl64 wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:10am:

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:26am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:51am:

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:24am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:07pm:

Do you actually know your own argument. You seem a little confused, beyond parroting that people who dont want mass gun ownership are somehow scared of guns you seem to be out of ideas. And violent criminals in this country dont have mass ownership of semi autos . I think you watch too much America TV.

Quote:

Yep you're really good at this, well done champ.

I dont need to be good at refuting your babble, you contradict yourself.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by mortdooley on May 2^nd, 2018 at 11:45am

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:26am:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:36pm:

Most Americans are responsible and don't need Nanny telling them how they must live their lives because other people are the problem.

Arent the majority of gun deaths accidents? How many children die every year from obtaining improperly stored firearms? How is this an argument for responsible gun owners?

Most gun deaths are ghetto and barrio shootings. Most people don't love in those neighborhoods and don't need a nanny state!

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Rhino on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:46pm

Mortdooley wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 11:45am:

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:26am:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:36pm:

Most Americans are responsible and don't need Nanny telling them how they must live their lives because other people are the problem.

Arent the majority of gun deaths accidents? How many children die every year from obtaining improperly stored firearms? How is this an argument for responsible gun owners?

Most gun deaths are ghetto and barrio shootings. Most people don't love in those neighborhoods and don't need a nanny state!

I dont believe you, show some proof.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Auggie on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:06pm

Let's focus on creating an armed citizenry where people defend themselves from criminals, instead of trying to fix and resolve social problems that primarily cause criminal behaviour.

America needs widespread firearm ownership, why?

1) American society is in decay, and is broken down;

2) The American government doesn't focus on improving the quality of life of its citizens;

Australia doesn't need widespread firearm ownership, why?

1) Australia is a harmonious society, and has a strong social fabric;

2) The Australia government cares about the wellbeing of its citizens;

Now what ends up happening is that pro-gun advocates eventually argue that the reason why there's so much crime in America is because there are too many black and hispanic people.

You just watch where the discussion goes....

Title: The NRA Protects American Gun Rights......
Post by Panther on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:29pm

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:06pm:

In America people don't 'need' anything, other than cash/credit, a verifiable clean criminal record, & a medical history devoid of any violent mental illness, in order to own a firearm & all the the ammunition they want for it.

When an American walks into a gun store, he/she walks about just like if buying a lawnmower, decides on a few, gets the salesman's opinion on the pros & cons, decides on the firearm(s), checks his wallet/credit card to see if he/she has enough to purchase the firearm(s) & ample ammo to cover whatever they wish to enjoy, then gets the salesperson to start his/her background check(s), & whatever superfluous paperwork that needs to attended to.

Just as a reminder:

.......if they buy successfully they know that they will never be placed on any National Firearm Database....in America a National Firearm Database is no legal.

All records of their purchase will be retained locally (the gun shop) for a limited amount of time....no permanent records are kept beyond warranted item documents which traditionally are only for 3 months to one(1) year. .

Now, once all background checks have been passed, the new owner pays for the firearm(s), bids the salesperson(s) a good day, picks up their new toy(s), & off they go......

Other than those mentioned, the word 'need' never enters into the process. What the new owner is going to use his new toys for is his business, & his business alone.........That's FREEDOM & LIBERTY American style, & don't even bother to presume anyone but Americans have any say in Laws that Govern Firearm ownership & use. ;)

Title: Re: The NRA Protects American Gun Rights......
Post by Auggie on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:33pm

Panther wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:29pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:06pm:

In America people don't 'need' anything, other than cash/credit, a verifiable clean criminal record, & a medical history devoid of any violent mental illness, in order to own a firearm & all the the ammunition they want for it.

When an American walks into a gun store, he/she walks about just like if buying a lawnmower, decides on a few, gets the salesman's opinion on the pros & cons, decides on the firearm(s), checks his wallet/credit card to see if he/she has enough to purchase the firearm(s) & ample ammo to cover whatever they wish to enjoy, then gets the salesperson to start his/her background check(s), & whatever superfluous paperwork that needs to attended to.

Once all background checks have been passed, the new owner pays for the firearm(s), bids the salesperson(s) a good day, picks up their new toy(s), & off they go......

Other than those mentioned, the word 'need' never enters into the process. What the new owner is going to use his new toys for is his business, & his business alone.........That's FREEDOM & LIBERTY American style, & don't even bother to presume anyone but Americans have any say in Laws that Govern Firearm ownership & use. ;)

Exactly, so if they don't 'need' it, then why not impose strict gun-control laws??

Title: Re: The NRA Protects American Gun Rights......
Post by Panther on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:50pm

;)

Title: Re: The NRA Protects American Gun Rights......
Post by Auggie on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:00pm

Panther wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:50pm:

>:(

Is that your final answer?

Title: Re: The NRA Protects American Gun Rights......
Post by Panther on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:00pm

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:33pm:

Panther wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:29pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:06pm:

Exactly, so if they don't 'need' it, then why not impose strict gun-control laws??

Because in a truly free society, they don't impose any such restrictions, & in America's case, the People are self-governed, they don't permit their government......the People's Employees......such power(s) over them courtesy of their Constitution.......

The American Government serves only with the Powers expressly granted to it by the governed, The American People, written within the US Constitution.......period.

Title: Re: The NRA Protects American Gun Rights......
Post by Auggie on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:13pm

Panther wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:00pm:

Because in a truly free society, they don't impose any such restrictions, & in America's case, the People are self-governed, they don't permit their government......the People's Employees......such power(s) over them courtesy of their Constitution.......

That is true to a certain extent, but no true freedom can exist without the state. The state has a monopoly on the legitimate use of coercive power. Arming citizens seeks to undermine that monopoly, creating a situation of anarchy, which is what we have in America to a certain extent.

I mean, have you ever thought of how much crime goes on in your country? America has the highest murder rates in the developed world.

Panther wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:00pm:

The American Government serves only with the Powers expressly granted to it by the governed, The American People, written within the US Constitution.......period.

Haha, Ich love it when I outsmart Americans on their own country.

The Constitution can be amended to include new powers...

Title: Re: The NRA Protects American Gun Rights......
Post by Panther on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:22pm

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:13pm:

Panther wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:00pm:

The American Government serves only with the Powers expressly granted to it by the governed, The American People, written within the US Constitution.......period.

Haha, Ich love it when I outsmart Americans on their own country.

The Constitution can be amended to include new powers...

Amended by the People.......not the government.....The Constitution is the Peoples Document, not the Government's Document.......Without the consent of the people, they can't govern, much less change the People's Constitution.......Amending the US Constitution has been Attempted ove 11,000, & only been successful 27 times over 230+ year..........

Quote:

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Title: Re: The NRA Protects American Gun Rights......
Post by Auggie on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:23pm

Panther wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:22pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:13pm:

Panther wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:00pm:

The American Government serves only with the Powers expressly granted to it by the governed, The American People, written within the US Constitution.......period.

Haha, Ich love it when I outsmart Americans on their own country.

The Constitution can be amended to include new powers...

Amended by the People.......not the government.....The Constitution is the Peoples Document, the the Government's Document.......

Quote:

Can you quote me the section of the Constitution which cites the process for amending the Constitution??

I believe it's Article 5??

Title: Re: The NRA Protects American Gun Rights......
Post by Panther on May 2^nd, 2018 at 5:38pm

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:23pm:

Panther wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:22pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:13pm:

Panther wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:00pm:

The American Government serves only with the Powers expressly granted to it by the governed, The American People, written within the US Constitution.......period.

Haha, Ich love it when I outsmart Americans on their own country.

The Constitution can be amended to include new powers...

Amended by the People.......not the government.....The Constitution is the Peoples Document, the the Government's Document.......

Quote:

Can you quote me the section of the Constitution which cites the process for amending the Constitution??

I believe it's Article 5??

I wrote an extremely detailed response earlier, but the powers to be decided to put the forum into structural management/repair, so instead here is my condensed & revised version because the earlier version was lost in cyberspace!!! >:(

A. - Sure.....word for word......any parrot can do that.......but we've been down this road before, you doubted that the people are the ultimate deciders of the question earlier......does the Amendment pass or fail.....is it up to the People as I contend????........did you ever find out exactly how many States Constitutions mandate that when presented with a Constitutional Amendment for ratification, that a popular vote is required so the 'Will of the People' is known, or a Constitutional Convention be called consisting of an assembly of special representatives of the People (not elected officials) to answer to the question before them....a Constitutional Amendment? 12.....15.....18.....19 States......?

Remember if more than 12 States fail to pass a Constitutional Amendment, the Amendment is dead, & in order to resubmit, the process must start from scratch in the individual Houses of Congress.

If less than 2/3's of either House of Congress fails to pass on the Amendment, the Amendment dies there, & never gets sent to the States for Ratification.

Over 11,000 Constitutional Amendments have been submitted to the process (which you can find for yourself) over the past 230+ years, & not counting the first 10 amendments.....the Bill of Rights......there have only been 17 Amendments that passed the process from beginning to end.

Could it be the People decided they didn't want the amendment???? Maybe they held their governments feet to the fire & gave them the ultimatum not to pass the Amendment through????

......Do your research.....let me know what you find ....... ;)

Title: Re: The NRA Protects American Gun Rights......
Post by Auggie on May 2^nd, 2018 at 5:45pm

Panther wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 5:38pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:23pm:

Panther wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:22pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:13pm:

Panther wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:00pm:

The American Government serves only with the Powers expressly granted to it by the governed, The American People, written within the US Constitution.......period.

Haha, Ich love it when I outsmart Americans on their own country.

The Constitution can be amended to include new powers...

Amended by the People.......not the government.....The Constitution is the Peoples Document, the the Government's Document.......

Quote:

Can you quote me the section of the Constitution which cites the process for amending the Constitution??

I believe it's Article 5??

Funny that none of those 11,000 amendments have covered any of the proposals that I made in another thread.

Oooh, pardon me. I'm not implying that I'm a genius or anything.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Baronvonrort on May 2^nd, 2018 at 5:47pm

The SS provide security for the VP it's their rules

The NRA isn’t bitching about leaving gunz home when they get on airplanes because presumably everyone gets screened and airplanes are safe. The NRA doesn’t bitch about gun free federal courthouses because again everyone get screened coming through the door and the building is protected by armed guards.

It would be pretty hilarious if the NRA invited Pence but only if NRA rules, not Secret Service rules, applied at the convention.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Auggie on May 2^nd, 2018 at 5:50pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 5:47pm:

WTF are you talking about?

You're talking out of your arse again.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Baronvonrort on May 2^nd, 2018 at 5:53pm

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 5:50pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 5:47pm:

WTF are you talking about?

You're talking out of your arse again.

The only person talking out of their arse is you

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by mortdooley on May 2^nd, 2018 at 10:04pm

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:46pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 11:45am:

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:26am:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:36pm:

Most Americans are responsible and don't need Nanny telling them how they must live their lives because other people are the problem.

Arent the majority of gun deaths accidents? How many children die every year from obtaining improperly stored firearms? How is this an argument for responsible gun owners?

Most gun deaths are ghetto and barrio shootings. Most people don't love in those neighborhoods and don't need a nanny state!

I dont believe you, show some proof.

https://www.crimereports.com/

I would love to but that is not how our news reporting is packaged. Whether using some crime reporting computer link or watching the local news broadcasts the pattern is clear. Black and Hispanic men commit almost all the breakins, armed robberies, rapes and murders. Most of their victims are from their own communities and often will not identify the attacker because of possible repercussions.

It isn't the guns, it is the legacy of Lyndon Johnsons "Great Society" when welfare replaced the two parent home. Lack of responsible parenting and schools that teach the liberal agenda that somehow no one can be a success in life unless someone else loses. You people worry about the availability of guns but there was a time not long ago when the guns were unsecured in a drawer or clothes closet and the children were taught to leave them along and they did.

Gun control laws are not about public safety, it is about looking to the Government for that safety. It's about being subservient to that same government. If you had dealt with as many "tin god" bureaucrats as I have you would know they are not in those positions for the public good. They build little fiefdoms where they are a waste of tax payers money but tell one and all how important they are.

The Constitution is the protection "from" the government, not some list of privileges granted by the government!

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Love, aka Brother Love on May 2^nd, 2018 at 10:35pm

Again, where is the NRA outrage at the denial of the rights of gun owners?

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by mortdooley on May 2^nd, 2018 at 10:39pm

Love, aka Brother Love wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 10:35pm:

Again, where is the NRA outrage at the denial of the rights of gun owners?

A little thick aren't you!

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Love, aka Brother Love on May 2^nd, 2018 at 11:20pm

Mortdooley wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 10:39pm:

Love, aka Brother Love wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 10:35pm:

Again, where is the NRA outrage at the denial of the rights of gun owners?

A little thick aren't you!

Cat got your tongue Mortie? According to NRA theology, the VP will be in the safest place in the world: in their hands, locked and loaded. I am not against gun ownership Mortie, not at all, but I do wonder why the NRA doesn't rescind their invitation to Pence so the faithful can open carry. Why isn't there outrage at the Trump administration over this?

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Rhino on May 3^rd, 2018 at 12:09am

Mortdooley wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 10:04pm:

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:46pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 11:45am:

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:26am:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:36pm:

Most Americans are responsible and don't need Nanny telling them how they must live their lives because other people are the problem.

Arent the majority of gun deaths accidents? How many children die every year from obtaining improperly stored firearms? How is this an argument for responsible gun owners?

Most gun deaths are ghetto and barrio shootings. Most people don't love in those neighborhoods and don't need a nanny state!

I dont believe you, show some proof.

That link doesnt prove your assertion. You lied Mort. Most gun deaths are not ghetto and barrio shootings. Lying for convenience shows a very weak character, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by mortdooley on May 3^rd, 2018 at 12:12am

Love, aka Brother Love wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 11:20pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 10:39pm:

Love, aka Brother Love wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 10:35pm:

Again, where is the NRA outrage at the denial of the rights of gun owners?

A little thick aren't you!

Due to the attendance of the Vice President of the United States, the U.S. Secret Service will be responsible for event security at the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum. As a result, firearms and firearm accessories, knives or weapons of any kind will be prohibited in the forum prior to and during his attendance. We will be posting a longer list of prohibited items in the near future.

Yes, the same level of security the Secret Service would require if Pence came to your birthday party. The SS is protective to the point of paranoia. That's their job!

You choose to make something out of nothing, that is why you are thick!

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Rhino on May 3^rd, 2018 at 12:13am

Baronvonrort wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 5:47pm:

I thought the argument was that it is an Americans sacred constitutional right to carry a firearm around, not just in specific places.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Rhino on May 3^rd, 2018 at 12:18am

Mortdooley wrote on May 3^rd, 2018 at 12:12am:

Love, aka Brother Love wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 11:20pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 10:39pm:

Love, aka Brother Love wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 10:35pm:

Again, where is the NRA outrage at the denial of the rights of gun owners?

A little thick aren't you!

Can you quote the part of the 2nd amendment which exempts the right to bear arms at events where the Vice President is in attendance.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by mortdooley on May 3^rd, 2018 at 12:21am

rhino wrote on May 3^rd, 2018 at 12:09am:

Mortdooley wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 10:04pm:

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:46pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 11:45am:

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:26am:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:36pm:

Most Americans are responsible and don't need Nanny telling them how they must live their lives because other people are the problem.

Arent the majority of gun deaths accidents? How many children die every year from obtaining improperly stored firearms? How is this an argument for responsible gun owners?

Most gun deaths are ghetto and barrio shootings. Most people don't love in those neighborhoods and don't need a nanny state!

I dont believe you, show some proof.

That link doesnt prove your assertion. You lied Mort. Most gun deaths are not ghetto and barrio shootings. Lying for convenience shows a very weak character, you should be ashamed of yourself.

So you are saying the link doesn't work? When I look at it there is usually a picture of the offenders, they don't look like people in my part of town. People that are building a good life don't shoot their neighbors or family members over dope deals or being disrespected. Just because you don't know what you are talking about is no reason to be obtuse.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by BigOl64 on May 3^rd, 2018 at 12:23am

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 10:30am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:10am:

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:26am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:51am:

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:24am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:07pm:

Yep you're really good at this, well done champ.

I dont need to be good at refuting your babble, you contradict yourself.

I never said that crims has mass ownership of semi autos. You know you don't need to to lie to try and win an argument, just go with what you got there champ.

The fact is that no-one know how many semi-autos are in the hands of criminals through-out Australia. But they seem to be trustworthy enough to not shoot up the place, wouldn't you say?

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Rhino on May 3^rd, 2018 at 12:24am

You got caught lying Mort, not a very clever lie either since it was so easily refuted. You really arent a very good advertisment for gun ownership, you show little intellectual capability since you cant even explain the 2nd amendment and you lie for convenience.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Rhino on May 3^rd, 2018 at 12:25am

BigOl64 wrote on May 3^rd, 2018 at 12:23am:

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The fact is that no-one know how many semi-autos are in the hands of criminals through-out Australia. But they seem to be trustworthy enough to not shoot up the place, wouldn't you say?

Lol.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by mortdooley on May 3^rd, 2018 at 5:42am

rhino wrote on May 3^rd, 2018 at 12:24am:

OK bozo, I'm sure Mike Pence won't be coming to your birthday party so forget about his security.
Every American home and business has the right to deny entry to a legally armed citizen. And everyone is welcome to take their business elsewhere.

What statement do you consider a lie? Is it that you believe the government can grant rights or that a man with a good job will rob a liquor store on his way home after work? Maybe it's that LBJ created a permanent underclass for the Democratic party!

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by mortdooley on May 3^rd, 2018 at 5:43am

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Rhino on May 3^rd, 2018 at 11:16pm

Mortdooley wrote on May 3^rd, 2018 at 5:42am:

rhino wrote on May 3^rd, 2018 at 12:24am:

strange Mort, heres what you said earlier

Quote:

Gun control laws are not about public safety, it is about looking to the Government for that safety. It's about being subservient to that same government. If you had dealt with as many "tin god" bureaucrats as I have you would know they are not in those positions for the public good. They build little fiefdoms where they are a waste of tax payers money but tell one and all how important they are.

The Constitution is the protection "from" the government, not some list of privileges granted by the government!

Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens),[2][3] and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).[4] These deaths consisted of 11,208 homicides,[5] 21,175 suicides,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[4] Of the 2,596,993 total deaths in the US in 2013, 1.3% were related to firearms.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by mortdooley on May 4^th, 2018 at 12:46am

rhino wrote on May 3^rd, 2018 at 11:16pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 3^rd, 2018 at 5:42am:

rhino wrote on May 3^rd, 2018 at 12:24am:

strange Mort, heres what you said earlier

Quote:

So now you are saying it is ok for the government to disarm you because you are attending at a place where representatives from the government will be present. And you lied about most gun deaths being in barrios and ghettos by coloured people. Then you tried to very unconvincingly defend your claim by stating that you saw it on TV. Let me help you out a bit here Mort, just ask if you have trouble interpreting the figures.

[quote]Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens),[2][3] and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).[4] These deaths consisted of 11,208 homicides,[5] 21,175 suicides,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[4] Of the 2,596,993 total deaths in the US in 2013, 1.3% were related to firearms.

[/quote]

How lame, I have Rights and other Citizens have Rights. If I don't want someone bringing something on my property I am not infringing on someone elses rights. Your pet is not allowed to come on my property, is that denying you your rights?

Black people don't live in the Barrio, people from Mexico and Central America do and they manage to kill each other without any outside help. (we don't call anyone colored people anymore!)

None of the 5 million plus NRA members commit these violent crimes, if they did you can be sure the Media would say it loudly and often. Wiggers, thugs and gang bangers are the usual suspects!

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Marla on May 4^th, 2018 at 4:21am

https://youtu.be/fG-ay7t7SfQ

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by mortdooley on May 6^th, 2018 at 1:52am

Here I am in Dallas browsing the booths at the NRA convention and just met Ted Nuegent.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Panther on May 6^th, 2018 at 11:47am

Mortdooley wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 1:52am:

Here I am in Dallas browsing the booths at the NRA convention and just met Ted Nuegent.

Did he give ya "Cat Scratch Fever" Mort?

Brilliant words by Ted Nugent

[media width=625]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5WrYMcaKfQ[/media]

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by mortdooley on May 6^th, 2018 at 9:07pm

Panther wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 11:47am:

Mortdooley wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 1:52am:

Here I am in Dallas browsing the booths at the NRA convention and just met Ted Nuegent.

Did he give ya "Cat Scratch Fever" Mort?

Brilliant words by Ted Nugent

[media width=625]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5WrYMcaKfQ[/media]

No music, just a man as happy to meet anyone who wants to meet him. He had a smile, a hand shake and a minute or so with anyone who walked up to him. Just a down to earth man who seems to love his fans as much as they love him.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Rhino on May 6^th, 2018 at 9:17pm

Mortdooley wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 1:52am:

Here I am in Dallas browsing the booths at the NRA convention and just met Ted Nuegent.

Wondering if he knows the difference between homicide and suicide, why doncha ask him Mort. Lets find out if hes as thick as you.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by mortdooley on May 6^th, 2018 at 9:41pm

rhino wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 1:52am:

Here I am in Dallas browsing the booths at the NRA convention and just met Ted Nuegent.

Wondering if he knows the difference between homicide and suicide, why doncha ask him Mort. Lets find out if hes as thick as you.

You do drugs don't you rhino? If the fog ever lifts for you the world will seem a much better place!

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Panther on May 6^th, 2018 at 9:56pm

rhino wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 1:52am:

Here I am in Dallas browsing the booths at the NRA convention and just met Ted Nuegent.

Wondering if he knows the difference between homicide and suicide, why doncha ask him Mort. Lets find out if hes as thick as you.

Homicide is the killing of a human being by another human being.

Suicide is when a person kills themself intentionally.

Over 60% of ALL U.S. firearm deaths each year are suicides, while over 30% of ALL firearm deaths are homicides.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Rhino on May 6^th, 2018 at 10:08pm

Mortdooley wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 9:41pm:

rhino wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 1:52am:

Here I am in Dallas browsing the booths at the NRA convention and just met Ted Nuegent.

Wondering if he knows the difference between homicide and suicide, why doncha ask him Mort. Lets find out if hes as thick as you.

You do drugs don't you rhino? If the fog ever lifts for you the world will seem a much better place!

If i could find a fog that would block out blonks like you it would be a mercy. Alas, I am a victim of random workplace drug screening Mort.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Rhino on May 6^th, 2018 at 10:09pm

Panther wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 9:56pm:

rhino wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 1:52am:

Here I am in Dallas browsing the booths at the NRA convention and just met Ted Nuegent.

Wondering if he knows the difference between homicide and suicide, why doncha ask him Mort. Lets find out if hes as thick as you.

Homicide is the killing of a human being by another human being.

Suicide is when a person kills themself intentionally.

Over 60% of ALL U.S. firearm deaths each year are suicides.

Thank you Panther. Get it yet Mort?

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Panther on May 6^th, 2018 at 10:21pm

rhino wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 10:09pm:

Panther wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 9:56pm:

rhino wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 1:52am:

Here I am in Dallas browsing the booths at the NRA convention and just met Ted Nuegent.

Wondering if he knows the difference between homicide and suicide, why doncha ask him Mort. Lets find out if hes as thick as you.

Thank you Panther. Get it yet Mort?

Your welcome.....

It is also estimated that Americans use firearms over 2,000,000 times each year defending life, as opposed to wrongfully taking human life.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Rhino on May 6^th, 2018 at 10:26pm

Yes, Americans are violent people Panther. Do you think mass ownership of guns contributes to their violence?

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Panther on May 6^th, 2018 at 10:45pm

rhino wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 10:26pm:

Yes, Americans are violent people Panther. Do you think mass ownership of guns contributes to their violence?

No, not actually, on either count.

I believe it is a mixture of over 400 years of adverse historical situations that have developed a cultural evolution perceived as violent only to those that never experienced those situations to the extent that Americans have. ;)

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Panther on May 6^th, 2018 at 10:47pm

Duplicate Post <deleted>

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Rhino on May 6^th, 2018 at 11:42pm

Panther wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 10:45pm:

rhino wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 10:26pm:

Yes, Americans are violent people Panther. Do you think mass ownership of guns contributes to their violence?

Su you do, you just said

Quote:

It is also estimated that Americans use firearms over 2,000,000 times each year defending life,

Americans are forced to defend themselves with firearms from violence 2 million times a year, that makes for a very violent society. No arguement about that.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Rhino on May 6^th, 2018 at 11:45pm

What Panther is trying to say that shooting people isnt violent, its only perceived as violent by non Americans. And we think Mort is thick.

Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by Panther on May 7^th, 2018 at 12:19am

rhino wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 11:45pm:

What Panther is trying to say that shooting people isnt violent, its only perceived as violent by non Americans. And we think Mort is thick.

No, I didn't say that shooting people isn't violent, to the contrary I know the act itself is extremely violent.

Violence is not necessarily a bad thing.

People world wide slaughter animals for meat. That's a violent act as well. Some disagree with doing that, but quite a few also think it's necessary & quite civilized.

So, who's right & who's wrong?

It depends on one's perception, doesn't it.

I believe in using firearms to take another human beings life, as a last resort means of self-defense, if I perceive that my own life, or the life of a loved one is in mortal danger, & I believe that it's the only way to preserve my own life, or the lives of my loved ones.

I believe that it is a human being's right, the right to defend one's most precious possession....their life, & I also believe that no government or person has the right to decide how I perceive danger, or what I may or may not use to enable my own self-defense, or the defense of a loved one or friend.

I also do not agree that I can be limited in responding to a perceived mortal threat with weapons that produce the same lethality as those possessed by a prospective assailant.

If I firmly believe that a person presents a mortal threat/danger, regardless if they are armed or not, I have the right to use whatever lethality I, not government, decides is necessary, in my self-defense. ;)

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Title: Re: NRA Bans Guns
Post by mortdooley on May 8^th, 2018 at 9:32pm

rhino wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 11:45pm:

What Panther is trying to say that shooting people isnt violent, its only perceived as violent by non Americans. And we think Mort is thick.

We all know bojack is dense. When anyone you encounter may be armed you just don't know who is the easy targets. Pick the wrong victim and you might get shot. I felt safer among thousands of legally armed strangers last weekend than I ever do in "gun free zones".