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CDC, in Surveys It Never Bothered Making Public, Provides More Evidence That Plenty of Americans Innocently Defend Themselves with Guns CDC surveys in the 1990s, never publicly reported, indicate nearly 2.5 million defensive uses of guns a year. That matches the results of Gary Kleck's controversial surveys, and it indicates more defensive than offensive uses of guns. Many people who support gun control are angry that the federal Centers for Disease Control (CDC) are not legally allowed to use money from Congress to do research whose purpose is "to advocate or promote gun control." (This is not the same as doing no research into gun violence, though it seems to discourage many potential recipients of CDC money.) But in the 1990s, the CDC itself did look into one of the more controversial questions in gun social science: How often do innocent Americans use guns in self-defense, and how does that compare to the harms guns can cause in the hands of violent criminals? Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck conducted the most thorough previously known survey data on the question in the 1990s. His study, which has been harshly disputed in pro-gun-control quarters, indicated that there were more than 2.2 million such defensive uses of guns (DGUs) in America a year. Now Kleck has unearthed some lost CDC survey data on the question. The CDC essentially confirmed Kleck's results. But Kleck didn't know about that until now, because the CDC never reported what it found. https://reason.com/blog/2018/04/20/cdc-provides-more-evidence-that-plenty-o

Over 2 million cases of defensive gun use every year in the USA which is something the gun grabbers never mention.

Less than 10,000 firearm homicides every year according to FBI data
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2011-2015.xls

Americans are allowed to defend themselves with firearms it happens over 2 million times every year.

As an Australian you do have the right to be murdered in your own home, something we should all be proud of, wouldn't you say?

More defensive than offensive gun use eh, Baron? What are they defending themselves against?

Charging rhinos? Muggers pointing their two fingers? Or that Police staple, "black male suspect"?

Karnal wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 8:34pm:

More defensive than offensive gun use eh, Baron? What are they defending themselves against? Charging rhinos? Muggers pointing their two fingers? Or that Police staple, "black male suspect"?

The number of defensive uses in the statistics is only those that are recorded. The actual numbers are unknown, keeping a watch on "black male suspects" is never a bad idea. With only 13%of the population they commit over 50% of the violent crimes! Usually against their own.

The idiocy in the OP is that it is the use of guns to defend against... guns.

amazing how that changes when you takes guns out of the equation on BOTH sides.

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 11:47pm:

The number of defensive uses in the statistics is only those that are recorded. The actual numbers are unknown, keeping a watch on "black male suspects" is never a bad idea. With only 13%of the population they commit over 50% of the violent crimes! Usually against their own.

https://youtu.be/2xQe-jU94S4

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 11:41am:

The idiocy in the OP is that it is the use of guns to defend against... guns. amazing how that changes when you takes guns out of the equation on BOTH sides.

Even Fuehrer Howard did not even come close to achieving that, so why even say something so stupid?

Our violent criminals have and always will have access to semi automatic weapons and still you blame the law abiding citizens for the violence.

What a good little liberal lapdog you are.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 3:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 11:41am: The idiocy in the OP is that it is the use of guns to defend against... guns. amazing how that changes when you takes guns out of the equation on BOTH sides. Even Fuehrer Howard did not even come close to achieving that, so why even say something so stupid? Our violent criminals have and always will have access to semi automatic weapons and still you blame the law abiding citizens for the violence. What a good little liberal lapdog you are.

arent you supposed to be out with the rest of the soldiers on Anzac Day???  Or are you as fake as many of us suspect?

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 3:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 11:41am: The idiocy in the OP is that it is the use of guns to defend against... guns. amazing how that changes when you takes guns out of the equation on BOTH sides. Even Fuehrer Howard did not even come close to achieving that, so why even say something so stupid? Our violent criminals have and always will have access to semi automatic weapons and still you blame the law abiding citizens for the violence. What a good little liberal lapdog you are.

Actually, defensive gun use in the USA doesn't require the threat of equal lethal force.....the perpetrator might be carrying a gun, or a knife, or a baseball bat, or a hammer, or a chain, or a lead pipe, or a stick, or a ball point pen, or he/she could even be completely unarmed........like a mugger/rapist without a weapon attacks an 19 year old woman from behind, drags her to the ground, slaps her once or twice, then to his amazement he's staring down the business end of a Glock 9mm.....whether  the woman pulls the trigger is solely up to her.....most of the time it's unnecessary, the coward just darts off in sheer terror. On the other hand she may think she's still in mortal danger, & she pumps 4 into his chest, & one into his brain for good measure.

The first scenario, where he flees, it probably will go down as unreported. This probably accounts for over 60% of defensive gun use.....some do but most don't get reported, & no shots are usually fired.

In the second case though, there is one dead mugger & probably one shook up young woman......after the police interview, they ask why did you shoot?....he was unarmed?....she would easily say something like, "I though he would strangle me, I was in fear for my life.."

99% of the time that would be enough for her to be taken home rather than the prescient for further questioning. No charges would ever be laid.....IMHO....I would think that over 85% of Americans would consider that a justified defensive shooting.  ;)  http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/awright005.gif

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BigOl64 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 11:40am:

As an Australian you do have the right to be murdered in your own home, something we should all be proud of, wouldn't you say?

Yeah - but they might also charge your arse for being in a position to upset an intruder etc.... armed intruders have feelings, too, and they might all need a safe room.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 4:53pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 3:11pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 11:41am: The idiocy in the OP is that it is the use of guns to defend against... guns. amazing how that changes when you takes guns out of the equation on BOTH sides. Even Fuehrer Howard did not even come close to achieving that, so why even say something so stupid? Our violent criminals have and always will have access to semi automatic weapons and still you blame the law abiding citizens for the violence. What a good little liberal lapdog you are. arent you supposed to be out with the rest of the soldiers on Anzac Day???  Or are you as fake as many of us suspect?

Air Force, Laddie - Air Force.... now be quiet, there's a good gentleman...

When a claimed statistic seems to be unbelievable it is usually because it is.

Dis this include using the but to fend off mosquitoes ?

https://d97yz4wvpgciz.cloudfront.net/media/1901/armed-citizenno-shots-fired-1.jpg


Anyone wanting to read about American DEFENSIVE GUN USE, have a good ole time here (link)

Panther wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 5:48pm:

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What foreign troops, from where, are going into the USA to disarm it's citizens?

Sounds like gun nut alarmism.  Tsk, tsk.  Such stupidity.  You can only find that level in America.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 7:21pm:

Panther wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 5:48pm: https://s14.postimg.cc/ppmhd9uwh/welcome2theusa.jpg[/center] What foreign troops, from where, are going into the USA to disarm it's citizens? Sounds like gun nut alarmism.  Tsk, tsk.  Such stupidity.  You can only find that level in America.   ::)

it is a gross absurdity which is naturally the result of being extreme right-wing and a trumptard. One thing that seems to be universally true: trump supporters are intellectually dim.

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Woman Shoots, Kills Home Invader



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Guns save lives. We say that over and over, and we provide a mountain of data to prove it, but some people refuse to see it that way. They look at the numbers and apparently read it as “Blah, blah, blah” or something. So we tend to share stories of people defending themselves to prove that it does happen and isn’t some clever manipulation of data. You know, like this woman in South Carolina who killed an alleged attacker with a shotgun.     Cherokee County Coroner Dennis Fowler said a Gaffney man was shot and killed during an alleged home invasion early Friday morning.     Fowler said a woman shot and killed Charles Shannon Alley, 41, of Tansi Trail after he forced his way into a home while armed and began fighting with another man in the house.     “According to witness statements Alley knocked on the door of a residence armed with a shotgun at 112 Piney Knob Drive in Gaffney about 3:25 a.m.,” Fowler said. “When a male answered the door, Alley allegedly pushed his way inside and began to fight with the resident while threatening to do harm to another male and female also present. While engaged in the altercation, Alley was allegedly shot in the head by the female resident.”     Tim Anthony, the homeowner, said when he opened the door, two men tried to force their way in.     “I went to crack the door open and they barged, at least two of them, barged through the door and knocked me through the wall,” Anthony said.     Anthony said his girlfriend fired two shots at Alley while they were struggling in the middle of the living room. Frankly, I can’t feel a lot of sympathy for the dearly departed. If he tried to force his way into someone else’s home, he got what he deserved. More importantly, Anthony and his girlfriend are fine, and the attacker isn’t. This is what happens hundreds of thousands of times every year. People use a firearm to end an attack, keeping themselves and others safe, far more often than a gun is used to take a life. Though, it’s important to note that many aren’t like this one; in most cases, the weapon isn’t even fired. Regardless, guns save lives. In this case, it saved two lives. Anyone who doesn’t think that Charles Shannon Alley, based on what witnesses are saying, didn’t want to hurt people is deluding themselves. He wasn’t alone, and his companion may well rethink his life choices after seeing his partner get blasted by a woman with a shotgun. Additionally, this is a signal to other would-be home invaders in the area to reevaluate their methods. Let’s be clear. We’ll never end crime. However, if criminals decide it’s too risky to confront citizens directly, they’ll hopefully either find lawful employment or at least start resorting to crimes that don’t risk the average citizen’s safety. Cases like this don’t just keep these two people safe; it works to keep a lot of people safe. It’s just a shame it was necessary at all.

Another good ending when the criminal is eliminated for under $2.00 (cost of 2 rounds of ammunition), & without any cost to the taxpayers.  ;)

Perhaps you missed this question, Panther?

*BUMP*


Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 7:21pm:

Panther wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 5:48pm: https://s14.postimg.cc/ppmhd9uwh/welcome2theusa.jpg[/center] What foreign troops, from where, are going into the USA to disarm it's citizens? Sounds like gun nut alarmism.  Tsk, tsk.  Such stupidity.  You can only find that level in America.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 10:52pm:

Perhaps you missed this question, Panther? *BUMP* Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 7:21pm: Panther wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 5:48pm: https://s14.postimg.cc/ppmhd9uwh/welcome2theusa.jpg[/center] What foreign troops, from where, are going into the USA to disarm it's citizens? Sounds like gun nut alarmism.  Tsk, tsk.  Such stupidity.  You can only find that level in America.   ::)

Here is a hint, they will be wearing blue helmets.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 4:53pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 3:11pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 11:41am: The idiocy in the OP is that it is the use of guns to defend against... guns. amazing how that changes when you takes guns out of the equation on BOTH sides. Even Fuehrer Howard did not even come close to achieving that, so why even say something so stupid? Our violent criminals have and always will have access to semi automatic weapons and still you blame the law abiding citizens for the violence. What a good little liberal lapdog you are. arent you supposed to be out with the rest of the soldiers on Anzac Day???  Or are you as fake as many of us suspect?

There is an hour or 2 between parades


Also not a soldier fkkhead, I'm  sure I have told you that many times,well you do bellieve in a fake god, so it isn't much of a leap to believe everything your mate bobby says :) :) :)

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 5:08am:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 10:52pm: Perhaps you missed this question, Panther? *BUMP* Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 7:21pm: Panther wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 5:48pm: https://s14.postimg.cc/ppmhd9uwh/welcome2theusa.jpg[/center] What foreign troops, from where, are going into the USA to disarm it's citizens? Sounds like gun nut alarmism.  Tsk, tsk.  Such stupidity.  You can only find that level in America.   ::) Here is a hint, they will be wearing blue helmets.

idiot. UN troops are already largely US troops.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 10:52pm:

Perhaps you missed this question, Panther? *BUMP* Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 7:21pm: Panther wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 5:48pm: https://s14.postimg.cc/ppmhd9uwh/welcome2theusa.jpg[/center] What foreign troops, from where, are going into the USA to disarm it's citizens? Sounds like gun nut alarmism.  Tsk, tsk.  Such stupidity.  You can only find that level in America.   ::)

Watch, & Learn............any questions after watching, do your own research, but understand this full well.....America, the People of America, will never permit foreign entities/armies/police forces to enter it's sovereign borders & 'attempt' to confiscate it's citizen's firearms without bloodshed beyond your wildest imagination. 

The U.N. --  Building a Safer World for Tyrannical Governments, & for Criminals who do not give up their firearms.

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God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............

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longweekend58 wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 8:54am:

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 26th, 2018 at 5:08am: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 10:52pm: Perhaps you missed this question, Panther? *BUMP* Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 7:21pm: Panther wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 5:48pm: https://s14.postimg.cc/ppmhd9uwh/welcome2theusa.jpg[/center] What foreign troops, from where, are going into the USA to disarm it's citizens? Sounds like gun nut alarmism.  Tsk, tsk.  Such stupidity.  You can only find that level in America.   ::) Here is a hint, they will be wearing blue helmets. idiot. UN troops are already largely US troops.

Do you ever check to see if, yet again, you're about to say something stupid?


As of 29 February 2016, 124 countries were contributing a total of 105,314 personnel in Peacekeeping Operations, with Ethiopia leading the tally (8,324), followed by India (7,695) and Bangladesh (7,525).[16] In June 2013. Pakistan contributed the highest number overall with 8,186 personnel, followed by India (7,878), Bangladesh (7,799), Ethiopia (6,502), Rwanda (4,686), Nigeria (4,684), Nepal (4,495), Jordan (3,374), Ghana (2,859), and Egypt (2,750).[17] As of 28 February 2015, 120 countries were contributing a total of 104,928 personnel in Peacekeeping Operations, with Bangladesh leading the tally (9446).[18] As of March 2008, in addition to military and police personnel, 5,187 international civilian personnel, 2,031 UN Volunteers and 12,036 local civilian personnel worked in UN peacekeeping missions.[19]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_peacekeeping



BTW the UN is a useless organisation not worth anywhere near the money it wastes, so all that will happen is there will be a lot of dead UN soldiers.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 8:54am:

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 26th, 2018 at 5:08am: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 10:52pm: Perhaps you missed this question, Panther? *BUMP* Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 7:21pm: Panther wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 5:48pm: https://s14.postimg.cc/ppmhd9uwh/welcome2theusa.jpg[/center] What foreign troops, from where, are going into the USA to disarm it's citizens? Sounds like gun nut alarmism.  Tsk, tsk.  Such stupidity.  You can only find that level in America.   ::) Here is a hint, they will be wearing blue helmets. idiot. UN troops are already largely US troops.

Wrong again, boo boo! You must be paid by someone to post so much fiction.

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 5:08am:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 10:52pm: Perhaps you missed this question, Panther? *BUMP* Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 7:21pm: Panther wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 5:48pm: https://s14.postimg.cc/ppmhd9uwh/welcome2theusa.jpg[/center] What foreign troops, from where, are going into the USA to disarm it's citizens? Sounds like gun nut alarmism.  Tsk, tsk.  Such stupidity.  You can only find that level in America.   ::) Here is a hint, they will be wearing blue helmets.

Maybe.  However, your poster claims they are actively doing it, now.  How typical of the paranoid delusions of American gun nuts.   ::)

Blown up any US Government buildings lately, Mort?  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Ok, so here's couple of things I'd like pro-gun owners to answer, please.

First, pro-gun advocates make a false assumption that all law-abiding citizens will be carrying firearms to defend themselves. When they make claims about gun-ownership, this is the assumption they are working with.

The fact is, even if a nation had the most relaxed gun laws, most law-abiding people wouldn't purchase firearms for self-defence. Why? Because most people are scared with the prospect of having a firearm in their own home, near their children, or some are just outright scared. Sure, that's not to say that all families are like this; but mass gun ownership can only really work when you have a gun-culture enshrined deeply into the cultural psyche, which we don't have in Australia.

Second, I can understand the need to own a firearm in a country like the United States where murder rates are through the roof, but Australia is a harmonious country with a low murder rate. We don't need an armed citizenry. We're better than that.

Look at Japan: it is a highly populated and dense nation, but has one of the lowest murder rates in the world. Why? Because the government is focused on enhancing the social well-being of its citizens, and not on arming its citizens.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 27^th, 2018 at 2:00pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 26th, 2018 at 5:08am: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 10:52pm: Perhaps you missed this question, Panther? *BUMP* Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 7:21pm: Panther wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 5:48pm: https://s14.postimg.cc/ppmhd9uwh/welcome2theusa.jpg[/center] What foreign troops, from where, are going into the USA to disarm it's citizens? Sounds like gun nut alarmism.  Tsk, tsk.  Such stupidity.  You can only find that level in America.   ::) Here is a hint, they will be wearing blue helmets. Maybe.  However, your poster claims they are actively doing it, now.  How typical of the paranoid delusions of American gun nuts.   ::) Blown up any US Government buildings lately, Mort?  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/large-scale-gun-confiscation/


In 1775, during a time of palpable civil unrest among the colonies, the Massachusetts governor ordered soldiers to confiscate firearms from civilians in the interest of thwarting a rebellion.

In 1861, after rejecting the power of states to peacefully secede from the Union, President Abraham Lincoln signed the Confiscation Act, thus authorizing federal troops to confiscate firearms from civilians in preparation for military reconquest of the South.

In 1890, during the height of the American Indian “relocation” effort, U.S. troops disarmed the Lakota people en masse “for their own safety and protection” as they were corralled into their new home.  Most of the tribe was massacred when a deaf Lakota man refused to surrender his rifle to the federal soldiers.

In 1941, President Franklin Roosevelt used a foreign attack on an American territory to justify the mass confiscation of guns and other property from thousands of people deemed “enemy aliens” all over the United States.  After the confiscation, these disarmed individuals were rounded up and placed in concentration camps.

In 2005, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, the city of New Orleans became a veritable disaster area and was rife with violence and vandalism.  The government’s solution was to launch a wholesale gun confiscation effort in the city — door-to-door.

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin declared that the city was under a state of “martial law” and proceeded to sic his enforcers on the innocent public with the usual excuses of preserving public safety and order.   Police Superintendent Eddie Compass’ chilling words still echo in the memories of many.

To understand what comes next, look at the War on Drugs. One by one, people will be investigated and arrested for breaking the law.

If you don't like the source, prove the information wrong.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 8:21am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 4:53pm: BigOl64 wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 3:11pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 11:41am: The idiocy in the OP is that it is the use of guns to defend against... guns. amazing how that changes when you takes guns out of the equation on BOTH sides. Even Fuehrer Howard did not even come close to achieving that, so why even say something so stupid? Our violent criminals have and always will have access to semi automatic weapons and still you blame the law abiding citizens for the violence. What a good little liberal lapdog you are. arent you supposed to be out with the rest of the soldiers on Anzac Day???  Or are you as fake as many of us suspect? There is an hour or 2 between parades Also not a soldier fkkhead, I'm  sure I have told you that many times,well you do bellieve in a fake god, so it isn't much of a leap to believe everything your mate bobby says :) :) :)

So how'd you learn to use a weapon, Big Hole? Plane refuelling school, was it?

No worries. Kit her out with one of those pearl-handled two-shots the ladies keep in their handbags. Hole can wave it around wildly before someone tells her to shut up and put the goddamn thing away.

Hand her over to me when you're done. I'll fix her up.