It looks like the Hyundai Kona is coming to Australia soon, as soon as end of the year but id say year after that its the first electric car is could afford with enough range to get here. A Model X is around $200000 here
The new Nissan is supposed to be here as well but until the 500k range comes in I wouldn't be interested.
I live about 200kms from work and even though a 250km vehicle would do the job knowing one could take me to work and back home again would be better.
The ice version of the kona tows 1500kg and I'm hoping for at least 1000kg so I can tow my old caravan around.
I live in Queensland and the government are making a charging station path for free along the coast, so if all goes well next year it will be done and I can camp up and down for free.
Well free isn't really the word the base 4wd ice is $30000 and the electric is said to be $50000
I was also thinking that with its 7kva onboard charger I can go from Caravan park to caravan park and recharge the kona at night.
At the moment my van is solar and I free camp but I pay for fuel, a hot shower at night and Aircon during summer for the same price a day is interesting.

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 15^th, 2018 at 12:37pm:

It looks like the Hyundai Kona is coming to Australia soon, as soon as end of the year but id say year after that its the first electric car is could afford with enough range to get here. A Model X is around $200000 here The new Nissan is supposed to be here as well but until the 500k range comes in I wouldn't be interested. I live about 200kms from work and even though a 250km vehicle would do the job knowing one could take me to work and back home again would be better. The ice version of the kona tows 1500kg and I'm hoping for at least 1000kg so I can tow my old caravan around. I live in Queensland and the government are making a charging station path for free along the coast, so if all goes well next year it will be done and I can camp up and down for free. Well free isn't really the word the base 4wd ice is $30000 and the electric is said to be $50000 I was also thinking that with its 7kva onboard charger I can go from Caravan park to caravan park and recharge the kona at night. At the moment my van is solar and I free camp but I pay for fuel, a hot shower at night and Aircon during summer for the same price a day is interesting.

For sure, I think the market(and yourself as part of that market) demanding higher standards for electric makes sense otherwise there is no progress.
Markets are supposed to represent progress, ideally.

DDH,

what will the caravan park charge you for recharging your Kona if they catch on to what you are doing ?

juliar wrote on Apr 16^th, 2018 at 10:41am:

DDH, what will the caravan park charge you for recharging your Kona if they catch on to what you are doing ?

well I guess that's up to them, but if it was too much I'm sure ppl will go elsewhere, I'm sure a app will be made to show the best places when this happens like most things
Or charging spots in free campsites, there's always someone figuring out how to make money

But you WONT buy one, will you?  EV zealots like you constantly moan and whine and then never actually buy one.  Just like toenail.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 19^th, 2018 at 3:28pm:

But you WONT buy one, will you?  EV zealots like you constantly moan and whine and then never actually buy one.  Just like toenail.

U know nothing about me, but hay don’t let that get in the road of a good rant.
As far as I know u could own a oil well or u could be 100 years old and in a home. Either way still makes u a troll

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 20^th, 2018 at 7:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 19th, 2018 at 3:28pm: But you WONT buy one, will you?  EV zealots like you constantly moan and whine and then never actually buy one.  Just like toenail. U know nothing about me, but hay don’t let that get in the road of a good rant. As far as I know u could own a oil well or u could be 100 years old and in a home. Either way still makes u a troll

My point is that ALL EV zealots online dont own nor ever intend to buy an EV.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 10:30am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 7:45am: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 19th, 2018 at 3:28pm: But you WONT buy one, will you?  EV zealots like you constantly moan and whine and then never actually buy one.  Just like toenail. U know nothing about me, but hay don’t let that get in the road of a good rant. As far as I know u could own a oil well or u could be 100 years old and in a home. Either way still makes u a troll My point is that ALL EV zealots online dont own nor ever intend to buy an EV.

When australia catches up with the rest of the world and u can actually get one we will see
Did u have this line with rooftop solar a few years ago ?

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 10:30am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 7:45am: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 19th, 2018 at 3:28pm: But you WONT buy one, will you?  EV zealots like you constantly moan and whine and then never actually buy one.  Just like toenail. U know nothing about me, but hay don’t let that get in the road of a good rant. As far as I know u could own a oil well or u could be 100 years old and in a home. Either way still makes u a troll My point is that ALL EV zealots online dont own nor ever intend to buy an EV.

What classifies a zealot? Anyone who disagrees with your opinion?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 12:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 10:30am: DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 7:45am: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 19th, 2018 at 3:28pm: But you WONT buy one, will you?  EV zealots like you constantly moan and whine and then never actually buy one.  Just like toenail. U know nothing about me, but hay don’t let that get in the road of a good rant. As far as I know u could own a oil well or u could be 100 years old and in a home. Either way still makes u a troll My point is that ALL EV zealots online dont own nor ever intend to buy an EV. What classifies a zealot? Anyone who disagrees with your opinion?

A zealot is someone whose opinion ignores all evidence that is contrary to their opinion. It is also someone who passionately and often disgracefully decries all opinions that vary in the slightest from the zealots opinion. Look at lastnail as an example... If you agree in general but disagree on a small point, he will jump on you... ie ZEALOT.

And EV ambassador or promoter would recognise - as EV ambassadors do - that range and recharge anxiety is a definite problem with EVs. Such people talk up EV advantages but do not deny the existence of limitations. They talk of the problems with petrol cars but do not ignore their advantages.

Zealots add nothing to any debate because they bring nothing to it. And yes, I've never yet seen or heard an EV zealot who actually owns one. I consider that to be a rather telling point.

I have range and recharge anxiety, but I'm also aware that those problems wont be solved if we use them as excuses never to develop or buy electric cars.

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 12:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 10:30am: DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 7:45am: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 19th, 2018 at 3:28pm: But you WONT buy one, will you?  EV zealots like you constantly moan and whine and then never actually buy one.  Just like toenail. U know nothing about me, but hay don’t let that get in the road of a good rant. As far as I know u could own a oil well or u could be 100 years old and in a home. Either way still makes u a troll My point is that ALL EV zealots online dont own nor ever intend to buy an EV. When australia catches up with the rest of the world and u can actually get one we will see Did u have this line with rooftop solar a few years ago ?

Because I am not a zealot or an ideologue, I got a 10Kw solar system when it became COST EFFECTIVE. It will pay for itself in under 3 years.

Teslas are available here already and very few own them and even then, only the rich. when EVs become practical and useful I will get one too. But until then, they are a toy for the rich to own and the zealot to scream about (but not own)/

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:09pm:

I have range and recharge anxiety, but I'm also aware that those problems wont be solved if we use them as excuses never to develop or buy electric cars.

You misunderstand me. I have no ideological problems with EVs. My problems are very much pragmatic ones. Why would I - or anyone else for that matter - buy a car that costs twice as much as a regular car and yet cannot go as far or be as convenient? I wouldn't... and no one else does either - hence the 0.5% sales so far.

Why on earth should I consider a car which has such significant limitations? And I am seriously doubting how recharge time issues will ever be fixed and certainly not in a way that will ever compare to the convenience of petrol. The entire reasons we have petrol cars int he first place is that it is the world's densest energy source that is plentiful and easily transported. Simply, it works and works well.

If we had any brains we would be using hydrogen as a fuel such as the BMW trial. it is emissions free and is effectively an electrical storage device that is actually refillable quickly and relatively easily. And the entire range of existing cars can use it with minimal change to engines.

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 15^th, 2018 at 12:37pm:

It looks like the Hyundai Kona is coming to Australia soon, as soon as end of the year but id say year after that its the first electric car is could afford with enough range to get here. A Model X is around $200000 here The new Nissan is supposed to be here as well but until the 500k range comes in I wouldn't be interested. I live about 200kms from work and even though a 250km vehicle would do the job knowing one could take me to work and back home again would be better. The ice version of the kona tows 1500kg and I'm hoping for at least 1000kg so I can tow my old caravan around. I live in Queensland and the government are making a charging station path for free along the coast, so if all goes well next year it will be done and I can camp up and down for free. Well free isn't really the word the base 4wd ice is $30000 and the electric is said to be $50000 I was also thinking that with its 7kva onboard charger I can go from Caravan park to caravan park and recharge the kona at night. At the moment my van is solar and I free camp but I pay for fuel, a hot shower at night and Aircon during summer for the same price a day is interesting.

Quote:

GENEVA MOTOR SHOW HYUNDAI KONA This is the Hyundai Kona Electric. It is, somewhat predictably, a plug-in, zero-emission version of the little Kona crossover. It launches with two different electric powertrains. A base version has a 186-mile range, 133bhp and a 0-62mph time of 9.3sec. The one you probably want, though, is the ‘long-range’ version. As well as offering a claimed 292 miles between charges, it also has 201bhp and an almost hot hatch-like 7.6sec 0-62 sprint. Mind, both have the same 291lb ft of torque (more than a Porsche 718 Cayman, or a 996 GT3) and their 104mph top speeds are identical. Naturally, the long-range version takes longer to charge, too; around 10 hours when it’s plugged into regular mains. The base Kona Electric can apparently gain 80 per cent of charge (so around 150 miles of driving) in an hour if you have a fast charger. The Kona Electric looks suitably different to the standard Kona, so you’ll be able to shout about your eco credentials a bit. The grille is closed off and there are new 17in alloy wheels, though the regular car’s seeming infinite colour combinations are still available. Inside, there’s a new centre console so account for the lack of a conventional gearbox, though there are paddleshifters behind the wheel, which are used to adjust how much energy the car recuperates under braking. There’s loads more tech beneath the skin, too; there’s the bare bones of a self-driving car, with lane-keep assist, semi-autonomous cruise control and emergency braking with pedestrian detection. There’s also connection for every smartphone you can name, and you can pop your device onto a wireless charger if it’s new enough..............

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/geneva-motor-show/hyundai-kona-electric-little-plug-suv


that looks very good.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:26pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 12:37pm: It looks like the Hyundai Kona is coming to Australia soon, as soon as end of the year but id say year after that its the first electric car is could afford with enough range to get here. A Model X is around $200000 here The new Nissan is supposed to be here as well but until the 500k range comes in I wouldn't be interested. I live about 200kms from work and even though a 250km vehicle would do the job knowing one could take me to work and back home again would be better. The ice version of the kona tows 1500kg and I'm hoping for at least 1000kg so I can tow my old caravan around. I live in Queensland and the government are making a charging station path for free along the coast, so if all goes well next year it will be done and I can camp up and down for free. Well free isn't really the word the base 4wd ice is $30000 and the electric is said to be $50000 I was also thinking that with its 7kva onboard charger I can go from Caravan park to caravan park and recharge the kona at night. At the moment my van is solar and I free camp but I pay for fuel, a hot shower at night and Aircon during summer for the same price a day is interesting. Quote: GENEVA MOTOR SHOW HYUNDAI KONA This is the Hyundai Kona Electric. It is, somewhat predictably, a plug-in, zero-emission version of the little Kona crossover. It launches with two different electric powertrains. A base version has a 186-mile range, 133bhp and a 0-62mph time of 9.3sec. The one you probably want, though, is the ‘long-range’ version. As well as offering a claimed 292 miles between charges, it also has 201bhp and an almost hot hatch-like 7.6sec 0-62 sprint. Mind, both have the same 291lb ft of torque (more than a Porsche 718 Cayman, or a 996 GT3) and their 104mph top speeds are identical. Naturally, the long-range version takes longer to charge, too; around 10 hours when it’s plugged into regular mains. The base Kona Electric can apparently gain 80 per cent of charge (so around 150 miles of driving) in an hour if you have a fast charger. The Kona Electric looks suitably different to the standard Kona, so you’ll be able to shout about your eco credentials a bit. The grille is closed off and there are new 17in alloy wheels, though the regular car’s seeming infinite colour combinations are still available. Inside, there’s a new centre console so account for the lack of a conventional gearbox, though there are paddleshifters behind the wheel, which are used to adjust how much energy the car recuperates under braking. There’s loads more tech beneath the skin, too; there’s the bare bones of a self-driving car, with lane-keep assist, semi-autonomous cruise control and emergency braking with pedestrian detection. There’s also connection for every smartphone you can name, and you can pop your device onto a wireless charger if it’s new enough.............. https://www.topgear.com/car-news/geneva-motor-show/hyundai-kona-electric-little-plug-suv that looks very good.

hard to take seriously an article that claims the EV Kona has more torque than a 718 Cayman when that isnt true. And comparing 9.3sec to 100km/hr and the caymans 4.9sec makes the claim even stupider.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:16pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 3:09pm: I have range and recharge anxiety, but I'm also aware that those problems wont be solved if we use them as excuses never to develop or buy electric cars. You misunderstand me. I have no ideological problems with EVs. My problems are very much pragmatic ones. Why would I - or anyone else for that matter - buy a car that costs twice as much as a regular car and yet cannot go as far or be as convenient? I wouldn't... and no one else does either - hence the 0.5% sales so far. Why on earth should I consider a car which has such significant limitations? And I am seriously doubting how recharge time issues will ever be fixed and certainly not in a way that will ever compare to the convenience of petrol. The entire reasons we have petrol cars int he first place is that it is the world's densest energy source that is plentiful and easily transported. Simply, it works and works well. If we had any brains we would be using hydrogen as a fuel such as the BMW trial. it is emissions free and is effectively an electrical storage device that is actually refillable quickly and relatively easily. And the entire range of existing cars can use it with minimal change to engines.

your right, if we could get a electric car in Australia its more expensive and probable will be for a few more years.
Charging wont be a issue, a very small part of the population do big km's in Australia , 40kms average a day and those that do own a ev love that they never need to goto a gas station as they charge the car when they sleep.

The charging times and size of batteries r getting better and better and now they r trailing wireless charging, basically charge your vehicles as it goes along the highway.
Hydrogen might be good one day but its still has a lot of engineering to get good now. that could be a whole other subject.
I think your mistaking hydrogen gas added to normal fuel Like HITek in California r doing where they get 30% fuel decrease injecting hydrogen into a existing motor
I hydrogen fuel cell car is a whole other beast and no existing motors can use that technology they run on the fuel cells.
So far the only efficient way of getting hydrogen is using LPG so it kind of dumb and u need I think the gas pressurized to 6000 pounds and its a corrosive gas as well.
All I think fixable with engineering ,but will take years.

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 3:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 3:09pm: I have range and recharge anxiety, but I'm also aware that those problems wont be solved if we use them as excuses never to develop or buy electric cars. You misunderstand me. I have no ideological problems with EVs. My problems are very much pragmatic ones. Why would I - or anyone else for that matter - buy a car that costs twice as much as a regular car and yet cannot go as far or be as convenient? I wouldn't... and no one else does either - hence the 0.5% sales so far. Why on earth should I consider a car which has such significant limitations? And I am seriously doubting how recharge time issues will ever be fixed and certainly not in a way that will ever compare to the convenience of petrol. The entire reasons we have petrol cars int he first place is that it is the world's densest energy source that is plentiful and easily transported. Simply, it works and works well. If we had any brains we would be using hydrogen as a fuel such as the BMW trial. it is emissions free and is effectively an electrical storage device that is actually refillable quickly and relatively easily. And the entire range of existing cars can use it with minimal change to engines. your right, if we could get a electric car in Australia its more expensive and probable will be for a few more years. Charging wont be a issue, a very small part of the population do big km's in Australia , 40kms average a day and those that do own a ev love that they never need to goto a gas station as they charge the car when they sleep. The charging times and size of batteries r getting better and better and now they r trailing wireless charging, basically charge your vehicles as it goes along the highway. Hydrogen might be good one day but its still has a lot of engineering to get good now. that could be a whole other subject. I think your mistaking hydrogen gas added to normal fuel Like HITek in California r doing where they get 30% fuel decrease injecting hydrogen into a existing motor I hydrogen fuel cell car is a whole other beast and no existing motors can use that technology they run on the fuel cells. So far the only efficient way of getting hydrogen is using LPG so it kind of dumb and u need I think the gas pressurized to 6000 pounds and its a corrosive gas as well. All I think fixable with engineering ,but will take years.

RE Hydrogen... Check out the BMW hydrogen project. They have quite successfully been able to reun existing cars on hydrogen compressed into super-safe cylinders.

Your claim about "a very small part of the population do big km's in Australia" is ludicrous. EVERYONE in rural australia does big kms. And most people in cities also like to go on holidays where they tend to.... DRIVE LONG DISTANCES.

Averages are pointless in this discussion because that's where EVs fail and fail badly. Most distances travelled are relatively short but when I want to do long distances, I can. Easily. EVs require careful planning at best or more likely, cant be done at all.

Wireless charging on highways is perhaps the biggest fantasy you have raised yet. The infrastructure cost would be beyond massive and absolutely impractical bordering on the impossible. And wireless charging is pretty easy for a phone, but an entirely different matter for thousand times the charge rate.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:45pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 3:26pm: DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 12:37pm: It looks like the Hyundai Kona is coming to Australia soon, as soon as end of the year but id say year after that its the first electric car is could afford with enough range to get here. A Model X is around $200000 here The new Nissan is supposed to be here as well but until the 500k range comes in I wouldn't be interested. I live about 200kms from work and even though a 250km vehicle would do the job knowing one could take me to work and back home again would be better. The ice version of the kona tows 1500kg and I'm hoping for at least 1000kg so I can tow my old caravan around. I live in Queensland and the government are making a charging station path for free along the coast, so if all goes well next year it will be done and I can camp up and down for free. Well free isn't really the word the base 4wd ice is $30000 and the electric is said to be $50000 I was also thinking that with its 7kva onboard charger I can go from Caravan park to caravan park and recharge the kona at night. At the moment my van is solar and I free camp but I pay for fuel, a hot shower at night and Aircon during summer for the same price a day is interesting. Quote: GENEVA MOTOR SHOW HYUNDAI KONA This is the Hyundai Kona Electric. It is, somewhat predictably, a plug-in, zero-emission version of the little Kona crossover. It launches with two different electric powertrains. A base version has a 186-mile range, 133bhp and a 0-62mph time of 9.3sec. The one you probably want, though, is the ‘long-range’ version. As well as offering a claimed 292 miles between charges, it also has 201bhp and an almost hot hatch-like 7.6sec 0-62 sprint. Mind, both have the same 291lb ft of torque (more than a Porsche 718 Cayman, or a 996 GT3) and their 104mph top speeds are identical. Naturally, the long-range version takes longer to charge, too; around 10 hours when it’s plugged into regular mains. The base Kona Electric can apparently gain 80 per cent of charge (so around 150 miles of driving) in an hour if you have a fast charger. The Kona Electric looks suitably different to the standard Kona, so you’ll be able to shout about your eco credentials a bit. The grille is closed off and there are new 17in alloy wheels, though the regular car’s seeming infinite colour combinations are still available. Inside, there’s a new centre console so account for the lack of a conventional gearbox, though there are paddleshifters behind the wheel, which are used to adjust how much energy the car recuperates under braking. There’s loads more tech beneath the skin, too; there’s the bare bones of a self-driving car, with lane-keep assist, semi-autonomous cruise control and emergency braking with pedestrian detection. There’s also connection for every smartphone you can name, and you can pop your device onto a wireless charger if it’s new enough.............. https://www.topgear.com/car-news/geneva-motor-show/hyundai-kona-electric-little-plug-suv that looks very good. hard to take seriously an article that claims the EV Kona has more torque than a 718 Cayman when that isnt true. And comparing 9.3sec to 100km/hr and the caymans 4.9sec makes the claim even stupider.

Although ive never really taken much account top gear has to say on any of it reviews

this one is better and for australia
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/hyundai-kona-electric-2019-confirmed-for-australia-68367
still has a crap load of torque on it
this is the porsche webpage
https://www.porsche.com/australia/models/718/718-cayman-models/718-cayman/drive/performance/
the kona will have 10 nb more than the base range and 70kw less power, which makes sense ,electric motors will always have more torque(100% at 0 rpm) than a petrol motor

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 4:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 3:45pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 3:26pm: DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 12:37pm: It looks like the Hyundai Kona is coming to Australia soon, as soon as end of the year but . Quote: GENEVA MOTOR SHOW HYUNDAI KONA This is the Hyundai Kona Electric. It is, somewhat predictably, a plug-in, zero-emission version of the little Kona crossover. It launches with two different electric powertrains. A base version has a 186-mile range, 133bhp and a 0-62mph time of 9.3sec. The one you probably want, though, is the ‘long-range’ version. As well as offering a claimed 292 miles between charges, it also has 201bhp and an almost hot hatch-like 7.6sec 0-62 sprint. Mind, both have the same 291lb ft of torque (more than a Porsche 718 Cayman, or a 996 GT3) and their 104mph top speeds are identical. Naturally, the long-range version takes longer to charge, too; around 10 hours when it’s plugged into regular mains. The base Kona Electric can apparently gain 80 per cent of charge (so around 150 miles of driving) in an hour if you have a fast charger. The Kona Electric looks suitably different to the standard Kona, so you’ll be able to shout about your eco credentials a bit. The grille is closed off and there are new 17in alloy wheels, though the regular car’s seeming infinite colour combinations are still available. Inside, there’s a new centre console so account for the lack of a conventional gearbox, though there are paddleshifters behind the wheel, which are used to adjust how much energy the car recuperates under braking. There’s loads more tech beneath the skin, too; there’s the bare bones of a self-driving car, with lane-keep assist, semi-autonomous cruise control and emergency braking with pedestrian detection. There’s also connection for every smartphone you can name, and you can pop your device onto a wireless charger if it’s new enough.............. https://www.topgear.com/car-news/geneva-motor-show/hyundai-kona-electric-little-plug-suv that looks very good. hard to take seriously an article that claims the EV Kona has more torque than a 718 Cayman when that isnt true. And comparing 9.3sec to 100km/hr and the caymans 4.9sec makes the claim even stupider. Although ive never really taken much account top gear has to say on any of it reviews this one is better and for australia https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/hyundai-kona-electric-2019-confirmed-for-australia-68367 still has a crap load of torque on it this is the porsche webpage https://www.porsche.com/australia/models/718/718-cayman-models/718-cayman/drive/performance/ the kona will have 10 nb more than the base range and 70kw less power, which makes sense ,electric motors will always have more torque(100% at 0 rpm) than a petrol motor

not sure what point you are trying to make other than the Kona is slower than the porsche. Other than that why are you trying to compare oranges with apples?

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 4:03pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 3:48pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 3:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 3:09pm: I have range and recharge anxiety, but I'm also aware that those problems wont be solved if we use them as excuses never to develop or buy electric cars. You misunderstand me. I have no ideological problems with EVs. My problems are very much pragmatic ones. Why would I - or anyone else for that matter - buy a car that costs twice as much as a regular car and yet cannot go as far or be as convenient? I wouldn't... and no one else does either - hence the 0.5% sales so far. Why on earth should I consider a car which has such significant limitations? And I am seriously doubting how recharge time issues will ever be fixed and certainly not in a way that will ever compare to the convenience of petrol. The entire reasons we have petrol cars int he first place is that it is the world's densest energy source that is plentiful and easily transported. Simply, it works and works well. If we had any brains we would be using hydrogen as a fuel such as the BMW trial. it is emissions free and is effectively an electrical storage device that is actually refillable quickly and relatively easily. And the entire range of existing cars can use it with minimal change to engines. your right, if we could get a electric car in Australia its more expensive and probable will be for a few more years. Charging wont be a issue, a very small part of the population do big km's in Australia , 40kms average a day and those that do own a ev love that they never need to goto a gas station as they charge the car when they sleep. The charging times and size of batteries r getting better and better and now they r trailing wireless charging, basically charge your vehicles as it goes along the highway. Hydrogen might be good one day but its still has a lot of engineering to get good now. that could be a whole other subject. I think your mistaking hydrogen gas added to normal fuel Like HITek in California r doing where they get 30% fuel decrease injecting hydrogen into a existing motor I hydrogen fuel cell car is a whole other beast and no existing motors can use that technology they run on the fuel cells. So far the only efficient way of getting hydrogen is using LPG so it kind of dumb and u need I think the gas pressurized to 6000 pounds and its a corrosive gas as well. All I think fixable with engineering ,but will take years. RE Hydrogen... Check out the BMW hydrogen project. They have quite successfully been able to reun existing cars on hydrogen compressed into super-safe cylinders. Your claim about "a very small part of the population do big km's in Australia" is ludicrous. EVERYONE in rural australia does big kms. And most people in cities also like to go on holidays where they tend to.... DRIVE LONG DISTANCES. Averages are pointless in this discussion because that's where EVs fail and fail badly. Most distances travelled are relatively short but when I want to do long distances, I can. Easily. EVs require careful planning at best or more likely, cant be done at all. Wireless charging on highways is perhaps the biggest fantasy you have raised yet. The infrastructure cost would be beyond massive and absolutely impractical bordering on the impossible. And wireless charging is pretty easy for a phone, but an entirely different matter for thousand times the charge rate.

ohh u mean the failed attempt 13 years ago of BMW , the amount of hyrdogen is appaling
The six-litre V12 Hydrogen 7 can cover a range of about 200km on its 8kg tank of liquid hydrogen
a mira fuel cell car uses  2 litres for 200kms and when it costs about $15 a litre. so mira cost $15 for 100kms, the camry is about $10 and a Model 3 tesla is about $7 in electricity. That BMW would be $60 for 100kms, so as i said lots more engineering to get it going..... one day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7

well 80% of the population live in the cities, so the average distance a car does in Australia is 14000kms a year, some less some more. I'm in the bush and why I want the kona so I know not everyone does 40kms a day however our second car only does 10000kms a year so we could easily get a ev when they r affordable.
once u mentioned hydrogen I though we where getting into make believe  so I mentioned the wireless chargers and they r as viable as hydrogen just not very practical ....yet.

end of the year new teslas will have 1000kms range and thair semis  have 800km range.
13 years ago when the bmw u like was realesed ev's where only golf carts, now the bmw is still the only one made and ev's are becoming the new standard for cars.

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 4:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 4:03pm: DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 3:48pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 3:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 3:09pm: I have range and recharge anxiety, but I'm also aware that those problems wont be solved if we use them as excuses never to develop or buy electric cars. If we had any brains we would be using hydrogen as a fuel such as the BMW trial. it is emissions free and is effectively an electrical storage device that is actually refillable quickly and relatively easily. And the entire range of existing cars can use it with minimal change to engines. your right, if we could get a electric car in Australia its more expensive and probable will be for a few more years. Charging wont be a issue, a very small part of the population do big km's in Australia , 40kms average a day and those that do own a ev love that they never need to goto a gas station as they charge the car when they sleep. The charging times and size of batteries r getting better and better and now they r trailing wireless charging, basically charge your vehicles as it goes along the highway. Hydrogen might be good one day but its still has a lot of engineering to get good now. that could be a whole other subject. I think your mistaking hydrogen gas added to normal fuel Like HITek in California r doing where they get 30% fuel decrease injecting hydrogen into a existing motor I hydrogen fuel cell car is a whole other beast and no existing motors can use that technology they run on the fuel cells. So far the only efficient way of getting hydrogen is using LPG so it kind of dumb and u need I think the gas pressurized to 6000 pounds and its a corrosive gas as well. All I think fixable with engineering ,but will take years. RE Hydrogen... Check out the BMW hydrogen project. They have quite successfully been able to reun existing cars on hydrogen compressed into super-safe cylinders. Your claim about "a very small part of the population do big km's in Australia" is ludicrous. EVERYONE in rural australia does big kms. And most people in cities also like to go on holidays where they tend to.... DRIVE LONG DISTANCES. Averages are pointless in this discussion because that's where EVs fail and fail badly. Most distances travelled are relatively short but when I want to do long distances, I can. Easily. EVs require careful planning at best or more likely, cant be done at all. Wireless charging on highways is perhaps the biggest fantasy you have raised yet. The infrastructure cost would be beyond massive and absolutely impractical bordering on the impossible. And wireless charging is pretty easy for a phone, but an entirely different matter for thousand times the charge rate. ohh u mean the failed attempt 13 years ago of BMW , the amount of hyrdogen is appaling The six-litre V12 Hydrogen 7 can cover a range of about 200km on its 8kg tank of liquid hydrogen a mira fuel cell car uses  2 litres for 200kms and when it costs about $15 a litre. so mira cost $15 for 100kms, the camry is about $10 and a Model 3 tesla is about $7 in electricity. That BMW would be $60 for 100kms, so as i said lots more engineering to get it going..... one day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7 well 80% of the population live in the cities, so the average distance a car does in Australia is 14000kms a year, some less some more. I'm in the bush and why I want the kona so I know not everyone does 40kms a day however our second car only does 10000kms a year so we could easily get a ev when they r affordable. once u mentioned hydrogen I though we where getting into make believe  so I mentioned the wireless chargers and they r as viable as hydrogen just not very practical ....yet. end of the year new teslas will have 1000kms range and thair semis  have 800km range. 13 years ago when the bmw u like was realesed ev's where only golf carts, now the bmw is still the only one made and ev's are becoming the new standard for cars.

Look, you mindless dimwit. Let me see if it is possible to permeate your zealot brain. it is not about what EVs can DO... it is about what they CANNOT DO.

EVs are NOT the new standard of cars because almost no one buys them and the reason is because they are horrendously expensive and take too long to recharge.

A clever person - ie not a zealot - would see that plugin hybrids are the way to go. You get the best of both worlds and dont have to drive little tin cans and plan your 2000km trip over 7 days.

We have been promised electric cars for DECADES now and its only now that the technology even makes them feasible. But they are still a long long way away from replacing petrol cars, especially in low density countries like Australia.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 5:52pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 4:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 4:03pm: DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 3:48pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 3:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 3:09pm: I have range and recharge anxiety, but I'm also aware that those problems wont be solved if we use them as excuses never to develop or buy electric cars. If we had any brains we would be using hydrogen as a fuel such as the BMW trial. it is emissions free and is effectively an electrical storage device that is actually refillable quickly and relatively easily. And the entire range of existing cars can use it with minimal change to engines. your right, if we could get a electric car in Australia its more expensive and probable will be for a few more years. Charging wont be a issue, a very small part of the population do big km's in Australia , 40kms average a day and those that do own a ev love that they never need to goto a gas station as they charge the car when they sleep. The charging times and size of batteries r getting better and better and now they r trailing wireless charging, basically charge your vehicles as it goes along the highway. Hydrogen might be good one day but its still has a lot of engineering to get good now. that could be a whole other subject. I think your mistaking hydrogen gas added to normal fuel Like HITek in California r doing where they get 30% fuel decrease injecting hydrogen into a existing motor I hydrogen fuel cell car is a whole other beast and no existing motors can use that technology they run on the fuel cells. So far the only efficient way of getting hydrogen is using LPG so it kind of dumb and u need I think the gas pressurized to 6000 pounds and its a corrosive gas as well. All I think fixable with engineering ,but will take years. RE Hydrogen... Check out the BMW hydrogen project. They have quite successfully been able to reun existing cars on hydrogen compressed into super-safe cylinders. Your claim about "a very small part of the population do big km's in Australia" is ludicrous. EVERYONE in rural australia does big kms. And most people in cities also like to go on holidays where they tend to.... DRIVE LONG DISTANCES. Averages are pointless in this discussion because that's where EVs fail and fail badly. Most distances travelled are relatively short but when I want to do long distances, I can. Easily. EVs require careful planning at best or more likely, cant be done at all. Wireless charging on highways is perhaps the biggest fantasy you have raised yet. The infrastructure cost would be beyond massive and absolutely impractical bordering on the impossible. And wireless charging is pretty easy for a phone, but an entirely different matter for thousand times the charge rate. ohh u mean the failed attempt 13 years ago of BMW , the amount of hyrdogen is appaling The six-litre V12 Hydrogen 7 can cover a range of about 200km on its 8kg tank of liquid hydrogen a mira fuel cell car uses  2 litres for 200kms and when it costs about $15 a litre. so mira cost $15 for 100kms, the camry is about $10 and a Model 3 tesla is about $7 in electricity. That BMW would be $60 for 100kms, so as i said lots more engineering to get it going..... one day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7 well 80% of the population live in the cities, so the average distance a car does in Australia is 14000kms a year, some less some more. I'm in the bush and why I want the kona so I know not everyone does 40kms a day however our second car only does 10000kms a year so we could easily get a ev when they r affordable. once u mentioned hydrogen I though we where getting into make believe  so I mentioned the wireless chargers and they r as viable as hydrogen just not very practical ....yet. end of the year new teslas will have 1000kms range and thair semis  have 800km range. 13 years ago when the bmw u like was realesed ev's where only golf carts, now the bmw is still the only one made and ev's are becoming the new standard for cars. Look, you mindless dimwit. Let me see if it is possible to permeate your zealot brain. it is not about what EVs can DO... it is about what they CANNOT DO. EVs are NOT the new standard of cars because almost no one buys them and the reason is because they are horrendously expensive and take too long to recharge. A clever person - ie not a zealot - would see that plugin hybrids are the way to go. You get the best of both worlds and dont have to drive little tin cans and plan your 2000km trip over 7 days. We have been promised electric cars for DECADES now and its only now that the technology even makes them feasible. But they are still a long long way away from replacing petrol cars, especially in low density countries like Australia.

Yes chuck a little tanny and call me names if the arguments don't work, there r so many things ive said u haven't answered, just new crap and insults.
Now u bring in hybrids...... not even mentioned before...
then u say EV's r feasible, and ohh and Australia's population is very dense because everyone lives in cities.

2000km trip in 7 days
well unless u own a Tesla or if u buy any of the new EV's being made.

I think I would get aircon anxiety with electric cars.

What will heating and cooling do to the range?

miketrees wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 8:30am:

I think I would get aircon anxiety with electric cars. What will heating and cooling do to the range?

Tesla actually have a temperature control in their main page , you can change the outside temperature and have either a heater or air con going and how it affects the range.

https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models
fun to play with.

Air cons effect range of ice cars too, the smaller the vehicle the worse it seams.

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 9:36am:

miketrees wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 8:30am: I think I would get aircon anxiety with electric cars. What will heating and cooling do to the range? Tesla actually have a temperature control in their main page , you can change the outside temperature and have either a heater or air con going and how it affects the range. https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models fun to play with. Air cons effect range of ice cars too, the smaller the vehicle the worse it seams.

But you wont buy an EV, will you? Zealots never do.

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:03am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 9:36am: miketrees wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 8:30am: I think I would get aircon anxiety with electric cars. What will heating and cooling do to the range? Tesla actually have a temperature control in their main page , you can change the outside temperature and have either a heater or air con going and how it affects the range. https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models fun to play with. Air cons effect range of ice cars too, the smaller the vehicle the worse it seams. But you wont buy an EV, will you? Zealots never do.

there there weeken it will be ok.....
140000 zealots bought ev's last month.

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 12:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 10:03am: DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 9:36am: miketrees wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 8:30am: I think I would get aircon anxiety with electric cars. What will heating and cooling do to the range? Tesla actually have a temperature control in their main page , you can change the outside temperature and have either a heater or air con going and how it affects the range. https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models fun to play with. Air cons effect range of ice cars too, the smaller the vehicle the worse it seams. But you wont buy an EV, will you? Zealots never do. there there weeken it will be ok..... 140000 zealots bought ev's last month.

out of 4 million cars last month.  Your point? Particularly since none of them are YOUR purchase.

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:39pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 12:42pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 10:03am: DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 9:36am: miketrees wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 8:30am: I think I would get aircon anxiety with electric cars. What will heating and cooling do to the range? Tesla actually have a temperature control in their main page , you can change the outside temperature and have either a heater or air con going and how it affects the range. https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models fun to play with. Air cons effect range of ice cars too, the smaller the vehicle the worse it seams. But you wont buy an EV, will you? Zealots never do. there there weeken it will be ok..... 140000 zealots bought ev's last month. out of 4 million cars last month.  Your point? Particularly since none of them are YOUR purchase.

Ohh that’s 3.5% of all cars for the year
No I haven’t. How about something else besides I don’t own one, it’s boring.
If u haven’t noticed this tread is about the electric vehical I want to get.

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 5:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 3:39pm: DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 12:42pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 10:03am: DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 9:36am: miketrees wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 8:30am: I think I would get aircon anxiety with electric cars. What will heating and cooling do to the range? Tesla actually have a temperature control in their main page , you can change the outside temperature and have either a heater or air con going and how it affects the range. https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models fun to play with. Air cons effect range of ice cars too, the smaller the vehicle the worse it seams. But you wont buy an EV, will you? Zealots never do. there there weeken it will be ok..... 140000 zealots bought ev's last month. out of 4 million cars last month.  Your point? Particularly since none of them are YOUR purchase. Ohh that’s 3.5% of all cars for the year No I haven’t. How about something else besides I don’t own one, it’s boring. If u haven’t noticed this tread is about the electric vehical I want to get.

You might as well start a thread on the Ferrari I want because I wont get that either.

Well please do. I wish u well.

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 5:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 3:39pm: DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 12:42pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 10:03am: DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 9:36am: miketrees wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 8:30am: I think I would get aircon anxiety with electric cars. What will heating and cooling do to the range? Tesla actually have a temperature control in their main page , you can change the outside temperature and have either a heater or air con going and how it affects the range. https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models fun to play with. Air cons effect range of ice cars too, the smaller the vehicle the worse it seams. But you wont buy an EV, will you? Zealots never do. there there weeken it will be ok..... 140000 zealots bought ev's last month. out of 4 million cars last month.  Your point? Particularly since none of them are YOUR purchase. Ohh that’s 3.5% of all cars for the year No I haven’t. How about something else besides I don’t own one, it’s boring. If u haven’t noticed this tread is about the electric vehical I want to get.

No, it's not. Because you wont get it... ever. Zealots like you never do.

The Nissan leaf might only other car to come to Australia  only 240km of range though ,400km supposed to be next year

https://www.caradvice.com.au/597293/2018-nissan-leaf-review/

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 15^th, 2018 at 12:37pm:

It looks like the Hyundai Kona is coming to Australia soon, as soon as end of the year but id say year after that its the first electric car is could afford with enough range to get here. A Model X is around $200000 here The new Nissan is supposed to be here as well but until the 500k range comes in I wouldn't be interested. I live about 200kms from work and even though a 250km vehicle would do the job knowing one could take me to work and back home again would be better. The ice version of the kona tows 1500kg and I'm hoping for at least 1000kg so I can tow my old caravan around. I live in Queensland and the government are making a charging station path for free along the coast, so if all goes well next year it will be done and I can camp up and down for free. Well free isn't really the word the base 4wd ice is $30000 and the electric is said to be $50000 I was also thinking that with its 7kva onboard charger I can go from Caravan park to caravan park and recharge the kona at night. At the moment my van is solar and I free camp but I pay for fuel, a hot shower at night and Aircon during summer for the same price a day is interesting.

I dont get your thinking here. In the electric scenario it is considerably more expensive to buy and if you think you can recharge from a caravan park then you are in for a surprise at how long that will take. Towing a caravan will halve your range or worse.

longweekend58 wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:06pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 12:37pm: It looks like the Hyundai Kona is coming to Australia soon, as soon as end of the year but id say year after that its the first electric car is could afford with enough range to get here. A Model X is around $200000 here The new Nissan is supposed to be here as well but until the 500k range comes in I wouldn't be interested. I live about 200kms from work and even though a 250km vehicle would do the job knowing one could take me to work and back home again would be better. The ice version of the kona tows 1500kg and I'm hoping for at least 1000kg so I can tow my old caravan around. I live in Queensland and the government are making a charging station path for free along the coast, so if all goes well next year it will be done and I can camp up and down for free. Well free isn't really the word the base 4wd ice is $30000 and the electric is said to be $50000 I was also thinking that with its 7kva onboard charger I can go from Caravan park to caravan park and recharge the kona at night. At the moment my van is solar and I free camp but I pay for fuel, a hot shower at night and Aircon during summer for the same price a day is interesting. I dont get your thinking here. In the electric scenario it is considerably more expensive to buy and if you think you can recharge from a caravan park then you are in for a surprise at how long that will take. Towing a caravan will halve your range or worse.

Well can charge up to 7 KWh , even 5 Kwh would be 12 hours from completely empty.
When we travel usually do about 3 to 4 hours driving and at the caravan park about 17 hours.

https://www.motoring.com.au/tesla-model-x-2017-tow-test-106452/

Tesla x can tow, says 30% loss with 2 Tonne, my van is 900kg so I’d say about the same so would make 350 km range for the kona, that’s all we ever drive a day.
Towing with a ice kona is about 10/100 so that’s $49 fuel at $1.40 a liter , that’s my thinking.

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:32pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 2nd, 2018 at 1:06pm: DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 12:37pm: It looks like the Hyundai Kona is coming to Australia soon, as soon as end of the year but id say year after that its the first electric car is could afford with enough range to get here. A Model X is around $200000 here The new Nissan is supposed to be here as well but until the 500k range comes in I wouldn't be interested. I live about 200kms from work and even though a 250km vehicle would do the job knowing one could take me to work and back home again would be better. The ice version of the kona tows 1500kg and I'm hoping for at least 1000kg so I can tow my old caravan around. I live in Queensland and the government are making a charging station path for free along the coast, so if all goes well next year it will be done and I can camp up and down for free. Well free isn't really the word the base 4wd ice is $30000 and the electric is said to be $50000 I was also thinking that with its 7kva onboard charger I can go from Caravan park to caravan park and recharge the kona at night. At the moment my van is solar and I free camp but I pay for fuel, a hot shower at night and Aircon during summer for the same price a day is interesting. I dont get your thinking here. In the electric scenario it is considerably more expensive to buy and if you think you can recharge from a caravan park then you are in for a surprise at how long that will take. Towing a caravan will halve your range or worse. Well can charge up to 7 KWh , even 5 Kwh would be 12 hours from completely empty. When we travel usually do about 3 to 4 hours driving and at the caravan park about 17 hours. https://www.motoring.com.au/tesla-model-x-2017-tow-test-106452/ Tesla x can tow, says 30% loss with 2 Tonne, my van is 900kg so I’d say about the same so would make 350 km range for the kona, that’s all we ever drive a day. Towing with a ice kona is about 10/100 so that’s $49 fuel at $1.40 a liter , that’s my thinking.

can you get a 30A connection from a caravan camp? I am sure you can do these trips you want, but what if you want to go further or go to an unpowered site?  YOU CANT and that is my point.

longweekend58 wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:49pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 2nd, 2018 at 1:32pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 2nd, 2018 at 1:06pm: DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 12:37pm: It looks like the Hyundai Kona is coming to Australia soon, as soon as end of the year but id say year after that its the first electric car is could afford with enough range to get here. A Model X is around $200000 here The new Nissan is supposed to be here as well but until the 500k range comes in I wouldn't be interested. I live about 200kms from work and even though a 250km vehicle would do the job knowing one could take me to work and back home again would be better. The ice version of the kona tows 1500kg and I'm hoping for at least 1000kg so I can tow my old caravan around. I live in Queensland and the government are making a charging station path for free along the coast, so if all goes well next year it will be done and I can camp up and down for free. Well free isn't really the word the base 4wd ice is $30000 and the electric is said to be $50000 I was also thinking that with its 7kva onboard charger I can go from Caravan park to caravan park and recharge the kona at night. At the moment my van is solar and I free camp but I pay for fuel, a hot shower at night and Aircon during summer for the same price a day is interesting. I dont get your thinking here. In the electric scenario it is considerably more expensive to buy and if you think you can recharge from a caravan park then you are in for a surprise at how long that will take. Towing a caravan will halve your range or worse. Well can charge up to 7 KWh , even 5 Kwh would be 12 hours from completely empty. When we travel usually do about 3 to 4 hours driving and at the caravan park about 17 hours. https://www.motoring.com.au/tesla-model-x-2017-tow-test-106452/ Tesla x can tow, says 30% loss with 2 Tonne, my van is 900kg so I’d say about the same so would make 350 km range for the kona, that’s all we ever drive a day. Towing with a ice kona is about 10/100 so that’s $49 fuel at $1.40 a liter , that’s my thinking. can you get a 30A connection from a caravan camp? I am sure you can do these trips you want, but what if you want to go further or go to an unpowered site?  YOU CANT and that is my point.

I  CAN just more planning.
well might not get 30 amp but 15-20 amp wouldn't be a problem, so 12=15 hours to charge.
umm even now u do realize there r chargers around Australia, is more cars get sold there will be more chargers and I'm happy to plan holidays to the chargers ,  Pioneering is all the fun. ;)
https://myelectriccar.com.au/charge-stations-in-australia/

https://insideevs.com/hyundai-kona-electric-priced-in-norway/
Damm Kona released in Norway , Hyundai thought 2000 pre orders , its 20000 orders, Bloody Norwegians will be ages until it comes here now.
According to the press release, Hyundai Motor Norway needed to close the ordering list, as overwhelming demand translated into more than 20,000 interested customers.
The bad news is that there will be just around 2,500 Kona Electric sold in Norway this year, as the automaker needs to balance its limited production capacity between several initial markets. >:( >:(

Until EVs can produce performance equal to PVs, and charging stations for EVs can be at a similar regularity, and price as Servos, EVs will never be conducive with conditions in Australia. ::)

Fuzzball wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 11:30am:

Until EVs can produce performance equal to PVs, and charging stations for EVs can be at a similar regularity, and price as Servos, EVs will never be conducive with conditions in Australia. ::)

have u never seen the performance of a Tesla ?
yeah for long trips.
most ev owners charge at home and never goto a public fuel station again, one of the benifits  ;) ;)
with even SA electricity max price it costs about $5 to charge a eV for 100km's , ohh go crazy make it $6
ev's  at night usually charge on the cheep rate, same as a water heater so a lot less
biggest problem is only luxury EV's in aus and any of the cheaper ones r still expensive compared to a equal ICE. ;) ;)

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2018 at 10:09am:

https://insideevs.com/hyundai-kona-electric-priced-in-norway/ Damm Kona released in Norway , Hyundai thought 2000 pre orders , its 20000 orders, Bloody Norwegians will be ages until it comes here now. According to the press release, Hyundai Motor Norway needed to close the ordering list, as overwhelming demand translated into more than 20,000 interested customers. The bad news is that there will be just around 2,500 Kona Electric sold in Norway this year, as the automaker needs to balance its limited production capacity between several initial markets. >:( >:(

Norway has 7000 confirmed orders now, dam them, come on Hyundai get production rolling. ;)