Can the government deal with 10 days of union protests? 

THERE could be 10 days of “massive rallies” by workers across Australia, but a single tweet highlights why the Coalition may struggle to deal with it.   :)

news.com.au April 6, 2018

While the PM is away, the government will face rallies from union groups.Source:AAP

THE biggest industrial relations showdowns in just over a decade is looming and there is confusion over who will be the minister in charge of the issue.

Unions plan 10 days of “massive rallies” and street protests in what could become the biggest industrial relations confrontation since the Work Choices brawl in 2007.   :)

Using the slogan “Hit the streets to change the rules”, the ACTU has scheduled demonstrations in 19 cities and regional centres starting April 17 — coinciding with Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s 10 days in Europe.

Employer groups want to pre-empt the street marches with a strengthened defence of existing industrial relations laws next week.

But they want to know which government minister will be backing them as the showdown will highlight confusion over who has authority within the Government on industrial relations.

Australian Conservative and former Liberal senator Cory Bernardi did his own highlighting in a tweet Thursday night: “Watching John Howard on #ABC730 talk about IR made me think this is the only coalition Govt I can remember where IR isn’t a cabinet portfolio.”

Michaelia Cash had that role in cabinet but after a recent reshuffle is now Minister for Jobs and Innovation.

Craig Laundy is Workplace Minister but isn’t in cabinet.

The peak union body wants to use street protests to ram home it’s claim that changes to workplace laws have disadvantaged ordinary employees and added to the financial stress on families.



“Wherever I go in Australia I hear the same story — people are ready for change and willing to take action to make it happen,” ACTU secretary Sally McManus said in an email appeal for support.

“And nothing demonstrates the need for change like massive rallies around the country. When people are prepared to stand up and take action, we can change the rules.”   :)

Employer groups will argue the opposite, saying unions and workers have been the beneficiaries.

They will point to changes which restricted business transfers and the introduction of vulnerable worker protections which increased the obligations of employers and the penalties they face for breaches.

HI ALL

I remember thr the sixties n seventies power strikes train strikes truckies closedof melbourn!

Bring back the good old days.
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Yeah and most got more safe working environments and a decent wage out of it.

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 12:51pm:

Yeah and most got more safe working environments and a decent wage out of it. Spot

So having got the above; what do they want now? Change? That's not explicit; its is just a call to arms.

lee wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 12:51pm: Yeah and most got more safe working environments and a decent wage out of it. Spot So having got the above; what do they want now? Change? That's not explicit; its is just a call to arms.

They want to 'Change The Rules'.

"Australian Unions are campaigning to change the rules so that working people have more secure jobs and better pay.

"Right now, big business has too much power. A third of them aren’t paying any tax.

"And, too many big businesses are in a race to the bottom on wages and job security.

"As a result, 40% of Australians are in insecure work and wages have flat-lined.

"We need a wage rise and secure work.

"We need to change the rules to give all working people the basic rights they need to improve their living standards."

They want to change the rules.

So the rules favour workers? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:01pm:

They want to change the rules. So the rules favour workers? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

So that the rules consider workers.

Are you not in favour of that?

Are you happy with the amount of casualised work in this country?

Are you happy with the massively increasing company profits and CEO bonuses, while workers' wages are flat-lining?

Are you happy with a third of all big business not paying any tax?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:07pm:

So that the rules consider workers.

That's not what they want. They want to CHANGE the rules.

Nothing in the manifesto about rule changes being considered,

lee wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 2:07pm: So that the rules consider workers. That's not what they want. They want to CHANGE the rules. Nothing in the manifesto about rule changes being considered,

They want to change the rules so that they consider workers.

"So that the rules consider workers."

Don't you think that's a good idea?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:19pm:

They want to change the rules so that they consider workers. "So that the rules consider workers." Don't you think that's a good idea?

That doesn't seem to be the argument they are raising.

Please show where they have explicitly stated this in the piece.

lee wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 2:19pm: They want to change the rules so that they consider workers. "So that the rules consider workers." Don't you think that's a good idea? That doesn't seem to be the argument they are raising. Please show where they have explicitly stated this in the piece.

"Australian Unions are campaigning to change the rules so that working people have more secure jobs and better pay."

Don't you think that's a good idea?

Yes, or no?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:24pm:

"Australian Unions are campaigning to change the rules so that working people have more secure jobs and better pay."

That doesn't say anything about "consider" the workers.

Put up or shut up.

How is it that unions can agree with massive low skilled immigration and then whinge about low wages and lack of job permanency?

lee wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 2:24pm: "Australian Unions are campaigning to change the rules so that working people have more secure jobs and better pay." That doesn't say anything about "consider" the workers. Put up or shut up.

You're kidding, right?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:28pm:

lee wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 2:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 2:24pm: "Australian Unions are campaigning to change the rules so that working people have more secure jobs and better pay." That doesn't say anything about "consider" the workers. Put up or shut up. You're kidding, right?

I take it that's a "no".

lee wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 2:28pm: lee wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 2:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 2:24pm: "Australian Unions are campaigning to change the rules so that working people have more secure jobs and better pay." That doesn't say anything about "consider" the workers. Put up or shut up. You're kidding, right? I take it that's a "no".

You're being ridiculous.

Come back when you learn how to read.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:51pm:

You're being ridiculous. Come back when you learn how to read.

I can read. I can also comprehend. Come back when you get that comprehension issue sorted.

They want to change the rules. Nowhere does it say they want the workers to merely be "considered".

lee wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 3:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 2:51pm: You're being ridiculous. Come back when you learn how to read. I can read. I can also comprehend. Come back when you get that comprehension issue sorted. They want to change the rules. Nowhere does it say they want the workers to merely be "considered".

Correct.

That's exactly what I've been saying.

They want the rules changed so that they consider the workers.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:28pm:

lee wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 2:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 2:24pm: "Australian Unions are campaigning to change the rules so that working people have more secure jobs and better pay." That doesn't say anything about "consider" the workers. Put up or shut up. You're kidding, right?

Best to ignore the troll.

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IR laws are in need of an overhaul to make them more balanced. Employers have far too much power.

Employers can sue workers for refusing to work.
Employees cannot sue bosses for refusing to let them work.

Employers can refuse to pay superannuation.
Employees cannot take any action to force employers to pay superannuation.

Strike action requires a lot of burdensome red tape.
Employers can lay off their entire workforce and replace them with hardly any red tape at all.

Casualisation is rampant.

Wage theft is rampant and safety issues are widespread.
Employees cannot take meaningful action to force compliance - because employers can sue them.

Everywhere you look, there's massive imbalances in IR laws favouring the employers. Change is clearly needed.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 3:11pm:

lee wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 3:00pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 2:51pm: You're being ridiculous. Come back when you learn how to read. I can read. I can also comprehend. Come back when you get that comprehension issue sorted. They want to change the rules. Nowhere does it say they want the workers to merely be "considered". Correct. That's exactly what I've been saying. They want the rules changed so that they consider the workers.

So that's the reason for all the strikeouts? How puerile ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.

Bam wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 3:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 2:28pm: lee wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 2:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 2:24pm: "Australian Unions are campaigning to change the rules so that working people have more secure jobs and better pay." That doesn't say anything about "consider" the workers. Put up or shut up. You're kidding, right? Best to ignore the troll. IR laws are in need of an overhaul to make them more balanced. Employers have far too much power. Employers can sue workers for refusing to work. Employees cannot sue bosses for refusing to let them work. Employers can refuse to pay superannuation. Employees cannot take any action to force employers to pay superannuation. Strike action requires a lot of burdensome red tape. Employers can lay off their entire workforce and replace them with hardly any red tape at all. Casualisation is rampant. Wage theft is rampant and safety issues are widespread. Employees cannot take meaningful action to force compliance - because employers can sue them. Everywhere you look, there's massive imbalances in IR laws favouring the employers. Change is clearly needed.

Ain't that the truth!

I obtained a Campaign Kit from the ACTU, for those who want to know more: 56 Page Kit

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 3:33pm:

Ain't that the truth! I obtained a Campaign Kit from the ACTU, for those who want to know more: 56 Page Kit

And even that kit doesn't reference "consider". ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 4:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 3:33pm: Ain't that the truth! I obtained a Campaign Kit from the ACTU, for those who want to know more: 56 Page Kit And even that kit doesn't reference "consider". ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Your argument is extremely silly.

Bam wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 6:23pm:

lee wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 4:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 3:33pm: Ain't that the truth! I obtained a Campaign Kit from the ACTU, for those who want to know more: 56 Page Kit And even that kit doesn't reference "consider". ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Your argument is extremely silly.

He doesn't actually have an argument.

Nobody said they used the word "consider".

And, to try and argue that they're not trying to change the rules by considering the workers, is just ludicrous.

I'm not sure what drugs lee is on, but I'd steer clear of them.

Anyway, the campaign kit gives a bit more information, for those of you who are interested.

If they change the rules so the pendulum swings back to the workers then what's the issue ? Best way to boost economy is to pay people more , disposable income equals growth , wage cuts equals wallets absolutely slammed shut

Its time wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 8:30pm:

If they change the rules so the pendulum swings back to the workers then what's the issue ? Best way to boost economy is to pay people more , disposable income equals growth , wage cuts equals wallets absolutely slammed shut

No issue.

Workers are being screwed, and Turnbull and his bunch of inept, corrupt criminals don't even have the decency to use some lube.

We need to change the rules so that the workers regain their rights.

Nobody is asking for everything to favour the workers - they're just asking for a level playing field.

Why would anyone object to that?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 9:14pm:

Its time wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 8:30pm: If they change the rules so the pendulum swings back to the workers then what's the issue ? Best way to boost economy is to pay people more , disposable income equals growth , wage cuts equals wallets absolutely slammed shut No issue. Workers are being screwed, and Turnbull and his bunch of inept, corrupt criminals don't even have the decency to use some lube. We need to change the rules so that the workers regain their rights. Nobody is asking for everything to favour the workers - they're just asking for a level playing field. Why would anyone object to that?

I have no idea why , the best trickle down is consumers spending , this is not happening because people have no confidence in this government to deliver an actual payrise , hence why they could only deliver .4 that's point 4 of 1% I repeat one percent with no GFC , even the mongs that vote libtards have slammmmmmed their wallets shut

If it wasn't for government spending on infrastructure and immigration, we would be in a technical recession right now.

Wages growth has flatlined and the oppressive IR rules are responsible. The circus that's the current government is doing nothing about these problems. They caused the problems, why would they be cleaning up their mess?