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National Rifle Association PAC Donations More Than Tripled in February


PAC saw jump in contributions after being attacked by gun control activists after Parkland shooting

Source:      Washington Free Beacon      
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Donations to the National Rifle Association's (NRA) political action committee more than tripled in February in comparison to its contributions from January, filings show. The donations increased as liberal activists, politicians, and celebrities have called for more gun control measures and singled out the NRA and Republican politicians who have received support from the group following the Feb. 14 shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., that left 17 dead. Speakers at the "March for Our Lives" rally this past Saturday in Washington, D.C., continued the push by calling for an AR-15 ban and restrictions on "high capacity magazines." Supporters of the NRA appear to have responded by infusing more money into the organization's political action committee. The NRA's Political Victory Fund, the group's PAC, experienced a nearly five-fold increase in itemized donations immediately following the attack, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. The PAC raised a total of $779,063 in February and reported $247,985 in donations in January, an increase of more than 200 percent. For the two-week period prior to the shooting—from Jan. 31 to Feb. 13—the NRA's PAC received $27,100 from 51 itemized contributions, or large contributions from individuals in the amount of $200 or more. The names, dates, and amounts of the contributions from donors who give more than $200 are included in filings, allowing for a count of large contributors. During the two-week period following the attack, itemized donations to the PAC jumped to $70,870 and came from 226 donors. The PAC finished February with $93,963.04 in itemized contributions. An overwhelming majority of the contributions to the NRA's PAC last month were in the form of small donations. Almost 88 percent of the money donated to the NRA's PAC in February came from unitemized contributions, or individuals giving $200 or less. The PAC reported $685,099.51 in unitemized contributions throughout the month, according to filings. Those who give less than $200 are lumped together in one total sum. The NRA did not respond to inquiries on the amount of small donors to the PAC by press time. The NRA's PAC has now taken in just over $7 million since the start of the 2018 election cycle, which began in Jan. 2017. More than $6.3 million—or around 90 percent—of its total donations this cycle came from small contributions, its filings with the Federal Election Commission show. Liberals have used the contributions from the NRA's PAC to Republican candidates as a focal point in their attacks against both the organization and the politicians. Some in the media—along with liberal activists pushing for more gun control measures—have conflated the amount of contributions politicians have received from the NRA's PAC by combining the donations given to campaign committees with independent expenditures spent by the group, which include the likes of paid advertisements in support or opposition of candidates. Independent expenditures are not coordinated between an organization and a politician's campaign in any way. For example, MSNBC's Joy Reid tweeted out a picture of Sen. Marco Rubio (R., Fla.) ten days after the shooting that read, "Donations from the NRA to Sen. Marco Rubio — $3,303,355." The picture with the widely cited figure was retweeted 4,800 times and received more than 5,800 likes. Reid later talked about the $3.3 million in "donations" on her show that weekend. "So now, Marco Rubio is essentially not taking a single step away from the NRA," Reid said. "In fact, let's look at his history. Over the course of his career, his donations from the NRA total—top—$3.3 million, according to the Center for Responsive Politics." Federal PACs such as the NRA's are capped at giving a maximum of $10,000 per candidate, per election cycle with $5,000 allotted to a primary and $5,000 to the general election. Rubio received $4,950 from the NRA's PAC in 2010 and $9,900 during the 2016 cycle. The NRA spent $2.3 million on independent expenditures during Rubio's 2016 Senate race opposing his challenger, former Democratic representative Patrick Murphy, while putting $1 million towards communications in support of Rubio's reelection. However, independent expenditures "are not made in cooperation, consultation, or concert with, or at the request or suggestion of, a candidate, a candidate's authorized committee, or their agents, or a political party or its agents" and are not "donations" or funding to a candidate's campaign. Publications such as the New York Times have written that the "true source" of the NRA's clout lies in its ability to mobilize its members and not from its donations to candidates.........continued

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The Anti-Gun Left are the best firearms salesmen in America.

Since their attack & call to ban the AR-15 & large capacity magazines, ALL Semi-automatic Rifles sales, primarily the AR-15, has skyrocketed through the roof, with an estimated over 150,000 units sold this year in 2 weeks of February alone!

This is only an estimate because in most cases registration isn't required on firearms, & a National Database is, by statute, Illegal. There are local registration requirements in locals across the country (like NY), but participation rates are below 50%, & the information is widely considered virtually useless because of inaccuracies submitted by the registrants. ;)

PS......Ammunition for the AR-15 is widely available Nationwide, with an estimated 220 million rounds in private hands as of the end of 2017.

Panther wrote on Mar 30^th, 2018 at 9:12am:

The Anti-Gun Left are the best firearms salesmen in America. Since their attack & call to ban the AR-15 & large capacity magazines, ALL Semi-automatic Rifles sales, primarily the AR-15, has skyrocketed through the roof, with an estimated over 150,000 units sold this year in 2 weeks of February alone! This is only an estimate because in most cases registration isn't required on firearms, & a National Database is, by statute, Illegal. There are local registration requirements in locals across the country (like NY), but participation rates are below 50%, & the information is widely considered virtually useless because of inaccuracies submitted by the registrants. ;) PS......Ammunition for the AR-15 is widely available Nationwide, with an estimated 220 million rounds in private hands as of the end of 2017.

You've just explained why the rest of the world sees Amerika as insane, Panther.

Arm up and get ready....this shitzz about to get heavy.....  ;D

Now all the yanks have to do is overthrow their corrupt gov while they can before these gun haters disarm them for good.  ;)

Americans are insane. For some reason, their ignorant stupidity makes them unable to connect guns and gun-deaths.

But the NRA is in big trouble, because there is a massive groundwwell that could lead to pro-NRA congressmen being defeated in elections.

and about time.

where can I donate?

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about Hitler HOGG...

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shut ur hole you little puke...  >:(

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And watch the class of the alt-right-conspiritards. First they claim that all the marchers were paid actors and now that the students werent actually students a the school.

The sad thing is that there are morons stupid and gullible enough to believe such easily disproven lies.

trumptards are a definition of stupid.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2018 at 3:39pm:

And watch the class of the alt-right-conspiritards. First they claim that all the marchers were paid actors and now that the students werent actually students a the school. The sad thing is that there are morons stupid and gullible enough to believe such easily disproven lies. trumptards are a definition of stupid.

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longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2018 at 2:11pm:

Americans are insane. For some reason, their ignorant stupidity makes them unable to connect guns and gun-deaths. But the NRA is in big trouble, because there is a massive groundwwell that could lead to pro-NRA congressmen being defeated in elections. and about time.

There are 310 million guns in the USA with around 11,000 firearm homicides in 2016 according to the FBI stats.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls

With the 11,000 firearm homicides only 374 were done with rifles, rifles includes those scary AR15s the bedwetters are frightened of and want to ban, 656 homicides done with fists and feet which means more people are bashed to death with fists and feet compared to being shot with a rifle.

With 310 million guns and 11,000 firearm homicides it shows 0.000035496 % of guns are used for homicide in 2016.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 30^th, 2018 at 4:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30th, 2018 at 2:11pm: Americans are insane. For some reason, their ignorant stupidity makes them unable to connect guns and gun-deaths. But the NRA is in big trouble, because there is a massive groundwwell that could lead to pro-NRA congressmen being defeated in elections. and about time. There are 310 million guns in the USA with around 11,000 firearm homicides in 2016 according to the FBI stats. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls With the 11,000 firearm homicides only 374 were done with rifles, rifles includes those scary AR15s the bedwetters are frightened of and want to ban, 656 homicides done with fists and feet which means more people are bashed to death with fists and feet compared to being shot with a rifle. With 310 million guns and 11,000 firearm homicides it shows 0.000035496 % of guns are used for homicide in 2016.

your maths is as bad as your integrity. The actually answer is 0.003% - as if that means anything at all.

And the death rate in Australia from assault weapons? 0.000000000%


35000 dead people and you care not a jot. I bet you think the March for our lives was made up of paid-for actors, right?

idjit

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2018 at 5:03pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 30th, 2018 at 4:20pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30th, 2018 at 2:11pm: Americans are insane. For some reason, their ignorant stupidity makes them unable to connect guns and gun-deaths. But the NRA is in big trouble, because there is a massive groundwwell that could lead to pro-NRA congressmen being defeated in elections. and about time. There are 310 million guns in the USA with around 11,000 firearm homicides in 2016 according to the FBI stats. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls With the 11,000 firearm homicides only 374 were done with rifles, rifles includes those scary AR15s the bedwetters are frightened of and want to ban, 656 homicides done with fists and feet which means more people are bashed to death with fists and feet compared to being shot with a rifle. With 310 million guns and 11,000 firearm homicides it shows 0.000035496 % of guns are used for homicide in 2016. your maths is as bad as your integrity. The actually answer is 0.003% - as if that means anything at all. And the death rate in Australia from assault weapons? 0.000000000%

Your maths is wrong longstupidone, what is 0.003% of 310 million and how does that number you plucked from your ass compare to FBI stats?

The policeman Brett Forte was killed with a full auto AK47 less than 1 year ago so our rate isn't 0 as you ignorantly claimed.

https://donate.nra.org/donate

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I wanna bazooka, why can't I have bazooka? God Damn communists running the country!

Okay forget the bazooka, I want to stockpile explosives. Fishing with dynamite is a tradition.

NRA Donations Triple?  Up to $3, hey, from $1?    ::)

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 30^th, 2018 at 3:28pm:

where can I donate?

Only because you asked, IMHO your best donation is a membership.

You can donate at anytime though, but you can get all the benefits while sending a message that you believe in the Individual Right to self-defense using the weapon of your own choosing, rather than letting a government deciding for ya.The NRA is active here in Australia, & your membership/donations will help fund them here too.....I've been a NRA Member for over 15 years......

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NRA Donations Triple!!!

The red neck nutters doubled their commitment but got the maths wrong ?

issuevoter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2018 at 5:53pm:

I wanna bazooka, why can't I have bazooka? God Damn communists running the country! Okay forget the bazooka, I want to stockpile explosives. Fishing with dynamite is a tradition.

Q. Can Americans legally buy & own a working bazooka? 

A. Yes......

Same goes for Fully Functional Tanks, Heavy Field Artillery, Grenade Launchers, virtually any type of machine gun, etc......, etc......, etc....., etc..........

Read on how, if you're an American, you can legally & literally own an Arsenal.......

Meet the one man army who owns more than 3,000 weapons and proudly boasts the scary title ‘the most armed man in America’

Mel Bernstein estimates that his military collection in Colorado is worth millions


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IN a country where it is believed there are two guns for every resident - one pistol-packing American is doing his bit to bump up the averages. Mel Bernstein - known as the Dragon Man - has earned the title the 'most armed man in the US' and has a frightening 3,000 weapons in his collection - and that doesn't include the tanks.

Read about it here.........



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Panther wrote on Mar 30^th, 2018 at 8:25pm:

issuevoter wrote on Mar 30th, 2018 at 5:53pm: I wanna bazooka, why can't I have bazooka? God Damn communists running the country! Okay forget the bazooka, I want to stockpile explosives. Fishing with dynamite is a tradition. Q. Can Americans legally buy & own a working bazooka?  A. Yes...... Same goes for Fully Functional Tanks, Heavy Field Artillery, Grenade Launchers, virtually any type of machine gun, etc......, etc......, etc....., etc.......... Read on how, if you're an American, you can legally & literally own an Arsenal....... Meet the one man army who owns more than 3,000 weapons and proudly boasts the scary title ‘the most armed man in America’ Mel Bernstein estimates that his military collection in Colorado is worth millions Quote: IN a country where it is believed there are two guns for every resident - one pistol-packing American is doing his bit to bump up the averages. Mel Bernstein - known as the Dragon Man - has earned the title the 'most armed man in the US' and has a frightening 3,000 weapons in his collection - and that doesn't include the tanks. Read about it here......... https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/nintchdbpict000302559458.jpg https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/nintchdbpict000302565523.jpg https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/nintchdbpict000334505298.jpg https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/nintchdbpict000302565836.jpg https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/nintchdbpict000302565880.jpg God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............

And he could still be easily killed by an unarmed assailant while he sleeps.

What an idiot.

Supporting the right to shoot children at school ????

WHY ?

Dnarever wrote on Mar 30^th, 2018 at 9:11pm:

Supporting the right to shoot children at school ???? WHY ?

Only if they come in to kill the students trying to learn there, then I would praise the person that shows them the exit ramp to hell! ;)

Why?  Because killin' those sick lil muthafawkahs would save "Innocent" lives.

Guns sales are tanking. That is why Remington just went out of business. The NRA's real job is to increase the fear factor to boost gun sales. Most Americans support sensible gun control.

Let's not forget Russia is the NRA's biggest supporter ...

AiA wrote on Mar 30^th, 2018 at 9:24pm:

Guns sales are tanking. That is why Remington just went out of business. The NRA's real job is to increase the fear factor to boost gun sales. Most Americans support sensible gun control. Let's not forget Russia is the NRA's biggest supporter ...

They aren't out of business, they are just seeking protection from their debtors while they reorganize their business, just like hundreds of businesses in any given year across America.....they are just doing it tough in a tough business....but if they do fail some day, not to worry, there are hundreds upon hundreds that sell what they sell, that will gladly take up the slack..... ;)


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Panther wrote on Mar 30^th, 2018 at 9:30pm:

AiA wrote on Mar 30th, 2018 at 9:24pm: Guns sales are tanking. That is why Remington just went out of business. The NRA's real job is to increase the fear factor to boost gun sales. Most Americans support sensible gun control. Let's not forget Russia is the NRA's biggest supporter ... They aren't out of business, they are just seeking protection from their debtors while they reorganize their business, just like hundreds of businesses in any given year across America.....they are just doing it tough in a tough business....but if they do fail some day, not to worry, there are hundreds upon hundreds that sell what they sell, that will gladly take up the slack..... ;) God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............ http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/guns4.gif http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/guns4.gif http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/guns4.gif http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/guns4.gif http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/guns4.gif http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/guns4.gif http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/guns4.gif http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/guns4.gif http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/guns4.gif http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/guns4.gif http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/guns4.gif http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/guns4.gif http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/guns4.gif

BS. Guns sales have tanked and the manufacturers are all fighting to sell arms to the same group of customers, to the most saturated market in the world.

Panther wrote on Mar 30^th, 2018 at 7:04pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 30th, 2018 at 3:28pm: where can I donate? Only because you asked, IMHO your best donation is a membership. You can donate at anytime though, but you can get all the benefits while sending a message that you believe in the Individual Right to self-defense using the weapon of your own choosing, rather than letting a government deciding for ya.The NRA is active here in Australia, & your membership/donations will help fund them here too.....I've been a NRA Member for over 15 years...... https://s31.postimg.org/mzs00d8h7/NRA00001.png

thats a nice looking knife... I like those bags too... hmmm.. decisions...  :-/

Panther wrote on Mar 30^th, 2018 at 7:04pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 30th, 2018 at 3:28pm: where can I donate? Only because you asked, IMHO your best donation is a membership. You can donate at anytime though, but you can get all the benefits while sending a message that you believe in the Individual Right to self-defense using the weapon of your own choosing, rather than letting a government deciding for ya.The NRA is active here in Australia, & your membership/donations will help fund them here too.....I've been a NRA Member for over 15 years...... https://s31.postimg.org/mzs00d8h7/NRA00001.png

You can donate at anytime though, but you can get all the benefits while sending a message that you believe in the Individual Right to self-defense using the weapon of your own choosing or to go into a school and shoot as many children as you can under the protection of the second amendment, rather than letting a government deciding for ya.The NRA is active here in Australia, & your membership/donations will help fund them here too.....I've been a NRA Member for over 15 years......

Panther, I'm curious. Why would Australians donate online to a US lobby group? 

Karnal wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 11:17am:

Panther, I'm curious. Why would Australians donate online to a US lobby group?

The NRA supports & lobbies for gun rights, directly & indirectly, in many countries besides the USA...... Even in the United Nations ......because the NRA is International, & has been for over 20 years.....The NRA has been a recognized Non-Governmental Organization at the United Nations since 1996.  ;)


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Colorado: Senate Passes Magazine Ban Repeal Legislation


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Source:      NRA-ILA      
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Yesterday, the Colorado Senate passed pro-gun legislation Senate Bill 52. Senate Bill 52, sponsored by Senator Owen Hill, and Representatives Lori Saine and Stephen Humphrey, seeks to repeal the misguided 2013 law that limited the amount of ammunition a firearm magazine can hold.  By removing this restriction, law-abiding Coloradans are not limited in their ability to protect themselves and their loved ones. Thank you to NRA members and Second Amendment supporters who contacted their lawmakers in support of this important legislation.

In Unity there is Strength............Generous Contributions to the NRA are hard at work doing America a Patriotic Duty,  Protecting & Defending the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, which ensures ALL of America's Rights & Freedoms.....not just the Individual Right to Keep & Bear Arms free of governmental infringement!

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Panther wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 11:20am:

Karnal wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:17am: Panther, I'm curious. Why would Australians donate online to a US lobby group?  The NRA supports & lobbies for gun rights, directly & indirectly, in many countries besides the USA...... Even in the United Nations ......because the NRA is International, & has been for over 20 years.....The NRA has been a recognized Non-Governmental Organization at the United Nations since 1996.  ;) ..

So why wouldn't you donate to an Australian lobby group or political party?

Karnal wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 11:56am:

Panther wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:20am: Karnal wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:17am: Panther, I'm curious. Why would Australians donate online to a US lobby group?  The NRA supports & lobbies for gun rights, directly & indirectly, in many countries besides the USA...... Even in the United Nations ......because the NRA is International, & has been for over 20 years.....The NRA has been a recognized Non-Governmental Organization at the United Nations since 1996.  ;) .. So why wouldn't you donate to an Australian lobby group or political party?

:o Ohh Please!!!!  :o......Our Political Parties are not trustworthy at all when it comes to using finances properly/as intended by the donors, & for that matter I have yet to find an Australian Lobbing group, regarding anti-gun control, worthy of my dollars....

Another reason I wholeheartedly support the NRA.....the Anti-Gun politicians hate their influence here in Australia!!!

I know the NRA, & the fine work they have done for Pro-Firearms efforts in the past, & personally would trust them with my life!

Panther wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 12:20pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:56am: Panther wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:20am: Karnal wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:17am: Panther, I'm curious. Why would Australians donate online to a US lobby group?  The NRA supports & lobbies for gun rights, directly & indirectly, in many countries besides the USA...... Even in the United Nations ......because the NRA is International, & has been for over 20 years.....The NRA has been a recognized Non-Governmental Organization at the United Nations since 1996.  ;) .. So why wouldn't you donate to an Australian lobby group or political party? :o Ohh Please!!!!  :o......Our Political Parties are not trustworthy at all when it comes to using finances properly/as intended by the donors, & for that matter I have yet to find an Australian Lobbing group, regarding anti-gun control, worthy of my dollars.... I know the NRA, & the fine work they have done for Pro-Firearms efforts in the past, & personally would trust them with my life!

How are the NRA, a US lobby group, going to do what the Shooting & Fishing Party in Australia can't?

If you donate to the NRA, your money is going to finance the campaigns of US Republicans - that's it.

So I'm curious. Do you donate to the Republican Party in the hope that they'll change Australian laws?

Why or why not?

Karnal wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 12:28pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 12:20pm: Karnal wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:56am: Panther wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:20am: Karnal wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:17am: Panther, I'm curious. Why would Australians donate online to a US lobby group?  The NRA supports & lobbies for gun rights, directly & indirectly, in many countries besides the USA...... Even in the United Nations ......because the NRA is International, & has been for over 20 years.....The NRA has been a recognized Non-Governmental Organization at the United Nations since 1996.  ;) .. So why wouldn't you donate to an Australian lobby group or political party? :o Ohh Please!!!!  :o......Our Political Parties are not trustworthy at all when it comes to using finances properly/as intended by the donors, & for that matter I have yet to find an Australian Lobbing group, regarding anti-gun control, worthy of my dollars.... I know the NRA, & the fine work they have done for Pro-Firearms efforts in the past, & personally would trust them with my life! How are the NRA, a US lobby group, going to do what the Shooting & Fishing Party in Australia can't? If you donate to the NRA, your money is going to finance the campaigns of US Republicans - that's it. So I'm curious. Do you donate to the Republican Party in the hope that they'll change Australian laws? Why or why not?

Another reason I wholeheartedly support the NRA
.....the Australian Anti-Gun politicians hate their strong influence in Australia !!!


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If you donate to the NRA, your money is going to finance the campaigns of US Republicans - that's it.

Your proof of that??

Panther wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 12:32pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 12:28pm: Panther wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 12:20pm: Karnal wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:56am: Panther wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:20am: Karnal wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:17am: Panther, I'm curious. Why would Australians donate online to a US lobby group?  The NRA supports & lobbies for gun rights, directly & indirectly, in many countries besides the USA...... Even in the United Nations ......because the NRA is International, & has been for over 20 years.....The NRA has been a recognized Non-Governmental Organization at the United Nations since 1996.  ;) .. So why wouldn't you donate to an Australian lobby group or political party? :o Ohh Please!!!!  :o......Our Political Parties are not trustworthy at all when it comes to using finances properly/as intended by the donors, & for that matter I have yet to find an Australian Lobbing group, regarding anti-gun control, worthy of my dollars.... I know the NRA, & the fine work they have done for Pro-Firearms efforts in the past, & personally would trust them with my life! How are the NRA, a US lobby group, going to do what the Shooting & Fishing Party in Australia can't? If you donate to the NRA, your money is going to finance the campaigns of US Republicans - that's it. So I'm curious. Do you donate to the Republican Party in the hope that they'll change Australian laws? Why or why not? Another reason I wholeheartedly support the NRA .....the Australian Anti-Gun politicians hate their strong influence in Australia !!! Quote: If you donate to the NRA, your money is going to finance the campaigns of US Republicans - that's it. Your proof of that??

Don't want to answer the question?

Why or why not?

Karnal wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 12:57pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 12:32pm: Karnal wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 12:28pm: Panther wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 12:20pm: Karnal wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:56am: Panther wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:20am: Karnal wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:17am: Panther, I'm curious. Why would Australians donate online to a US lobby group?  The NRA supports & lobbies for gun rights, directly & indirectly, in many countries besides the USA...... Even in the United Nations ......because the NRA is International, & has been for over 20 years.....The NRA has been a recognized Non-Governmental Organization at the United Nations since 1996.  ;) .. So why wouldn't you donate to an Australian lobby group or political party? :o Ohh Please!!!!  :o......Our Political Parties are not trustworthy at all when it comes to using finances properly/as intended by the donors, & for that matter I have yet to find an Australian Lobbing group, regarding anti-gun control, worthy of my dollars.... I know the NRA, & the fine work they have done for Pro-Firearms efforts in the past, & personally would trust them with my life! How are the NRA, a US lobby group, going to do what the Shooting & Fishing Party in Australia can't? If you donate to the NRA, your money is going to finance the campaigns of US Republicans - that's it. So I'm curious. Do you donate to the Republican Party in the hope that they'll change Australian laws? Why or why not? Another reason I wholeheartedly support the NRA .....the Australian Anti-Gun politicians hate their strong influence in Australia !!! Quote: If you donate to the NRA, your money is going to finance the campaigns of US Republicans - that's it. Your proof of that?? Don't want to answer the question? Why or why not?

Q#1....I do not see the Shooting & Fishing Party in Australia anywhere near as effective as compared to the NRA, & like I already answered, to say it more bluntly, IMHO the SFP lacks the muscle needed to effectuate "radical" (by Australian standards) firearm law change. ;)

Q#2.....See the above, & when you provide your proof to back up your statement, I will answer you directly, based on your answer. ;)

Q#3......I'd see no point in that, as you already know my feelings pertaining to the trustworthiness of political parties. ;)

Now, please reply to my simple request for proof......well simple if you have proof, impossible if you don't have any verifiable proof.  ;)  http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/Wait003.gif

The ownership of heavy weapons seems to vary from state to state. I do not oppose the ownership of firearms, but I do believe in control the type, availability, and the qualification for a citizen to bear arms. This idea that you should be able to buy a gun and ammunition just because you are old enough, has had its day.

The problem with the NRA's policy is that they are simply too paranoid to believe any limitation on the ownership of what they think constitutes a "firearm," can be taken out of their hands. Consequently, they use their voting block to legitimize their paranoia.

Some years ago their Florida members held so much political power that they had the law change to allow anyone to carry a firearm in public. The state went off it rocker, with people walking the streets armed like Western desperadoes from 1878.
The law had to be repealed before things got ugly. Its a perfect example of why the NRA are a bunch children, and it led to, guess what? Answer: Gun Control, and the police did not go around disarming gun owners, the way the paranoid NRA predicted.

So Panther, when you say God Bless the NRA, does that mean you believe in the God of Abraham with whom God spoke in the form of a burning bush? That would put you in league with Light Boy and Gandalf.

issuevoter wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 2:13pm:

The ownership of heavy weapons seems to vary from state to state. I do not oppose the ownership of firearms, but I do believe in control the type, availability, and the qualification for a citizen to bear arms. This idea that you should be able to buy a gun and ammunition just because you are old enough, has had its day. The problem with the NRA's policy is that they are simply too paranoid to believe any limitation on the ownership of what they think constitutes a "firearm," can be taken out of their hands. Consequently, they use their voting block to legitimize their paranoia. Some years ago their Florida members held so much political power that they had the law change to allow anyone to carry a firearm in public. The state went off it rocker, with people walking the streets armed like Western desperadoes from 1878. The law had to be repealed before things got ugly. Its a perfect example of why the NRA are a bunch children, and it led to, guess what? Answer: Gun Control, and the police did not go around disarming gun owners, the way the paranoid NRA predicted. So Panther, when you say God Bless the NRA, does that mean you believe in the God of Abraham with whom God spoke in the form of a burning bush? That would put you in league with Light Boy and Gandalf.

Panther's idiocy DOES put him in the same league as those crazies.

issuevoter wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 2:13pm:

The ownership of heavy weapons seems to vary from state to state. I do not oppose the ownership of firearms, but I do believe in control the type, availability, and the qualification for a citizen to bear arms. This idea that you should be able to buy a gun and ammunition just because you are old enough, has had its day. The problem with the NRA's policy is that they are simply too paranoid to believe any limitation on the ownership of what they think constitutes a "firearm," can be taken out of their hands. Consequently, they use their voting block to legitimize their paranoia. Some years ago their Florida members held so much political power that they had the law change to allow anyone to carry a firearm in public. The state went off it rocker, with people walking the streets armed like Western desperadoes from 1878. The law had to be repealed before things got ugly. Its a perfect example of why the NRA are a bunch children, and it led to, guess what? Answer: Gun Control, and the police did not go around disarming gun owners, the way the paranoid NRA predicted. So Panther, when you say God Bless the NRA, does that mean you believe in the God of Abraham with whom God spoke in the form of a burning bush? That would put you in league with Light Boy and Gandalf.

True, Full "Open Carry" is banned in Florida, & only SIX (6) other US States, & Full "Open Carry" is restricted, but allowed, in 8 others......leaving 36 States that allow FULL OPEN CARRY.


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Actually, Open Carry is might be permitted in Florida, but only in very 'tight' circumstances:


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Open carry when on foot in a public area is generally illegal, but is permitted in certain circumstances, as defined by Florida statute 790.25(3). For example, open carry is permitted while hunting, fishing, camping, gun shows, or while shooting, and while going to and from such activities.

➤ As far as God Bless the NRA......Choose any God you personally prefer & or subscribe to, personally, I leave my request open to any & all those within listening/viewing range....  ;D ;D ;D

Panther wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 1:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 12:57pm: Panther wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 12:32pm: Karnal wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 12:28pm: Panther wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 12:20pm: Karnal wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:56am: Panther wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:20am: Karnal wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:17am: Panther, I'm curious. Why would Australians donate online to a US lobby group?  The NRA supports & lobbies for gun rights, directly & indirectly, in many countries besides the USA...... Even in the United Nations ......because the NRA is International, & has been for over 20 years.....The NRA has been a recognized Non-Governmental Organization at the United Nations since 1996.  ;) .. So why wouldn't you donate to an Australian lobby group or political party? :o Ohh Please!!!!  :o......Our Political Parties are not trustworthy at all when it comes to using finances properly/as intended by the donors, & for that matter I have yet to find an Australian Lobbing group, regarding anti-gun control, worthy of my dollars.... I know the NRA, & the fine work they have done for Pro-Firearms efforts in the past, & personally would trust them with my life! How are the NRA, a US lobby group, going to do what the Shooting & Fishing Party in Australia can't? If you donate to the NRA, your money is going to finance the campaigns of US Republicans - that's it. So I'm curious. Do you donate to the Republican Party in the hope that they'll change Australian laws? Why or why not? Another reason I wholeheartedly support the NRA .....the Australian Anti-Gun politicians hate their strong influence in Australia !!! Quote: If you donate to the NRA, your money is going to finance the campaigns of US Republicans - that's it. Your proof of that?? Don't want to answer the question? Why or why not? Q#1....I do not see the Shooting & Fishing Party in Australia anywhere near as effective as compared to the NRA, & like I already answered, to say it more bluntly, IMHO the SFP lacks the muscle needed to effectuate "radical" (by Australian standards) firearm law change. ;) Q#2.....See the above, & when you provide your proof to back up your statement, I will answer you directly, based on your answer. ;) Q#3......I'd see no point in that, as you already know my feelings pertaining to the trustworthiness of political parties. ;) Now, please reply to my simple request for proof......well simple if you have proof, impossible if you don't have any verifiable proof.  ;)  http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/Wait003.gif

No, Panther, you haven't answered. How is a US lobby group going to change laws in Australia? It's a really simple question.

I'm not providing proof of the NRA's ties to the Republican Party, this is so well-known in the US it goes without question. The NRA has achieved its objectives of liberalising gun laws and getting more guns bought and sold. It's now a social conservative lobby group, rallying and fundraising for lunar-right, Tea Party-style Republicans. That's where their time and money goes.

So again, why would anyone trying to influence politics in Australia give them their money?

Panther wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 12:32pm:

the Australian Anti-Gun politicians hate their strong influence in Australia!!!

What "strong influence" does the NRA have in Australia?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 3:53pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 12:32pm: the Australian Anti-Gun politicians hate their strong influence in Australia!!! What "strong influence" does the NRA have in Australia?   ::)

I would have said zero. After all, isnt pretty much 99% of australians very happy with our gun laws? Are there protest marches over wanting the right to carry guns?  No.  We just enjoy our long weekends in the sun knowing that the chance of being gunned down is almost zero. Who's want to change that other than a loon with a 2" penis seeking something bigger to cradle?

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 4:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 3:53pm: Panther wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 12:32pm: the Australian Anti-Gun politicians hate their strong influence in Australia!!! What "strong influence" does the NRA have in Australia?   ::) I would have said zero. After all, isnt pretty much 99% of australians very happy with our gun laws? Are there protest marches over wanting the right to carry guns?  No.  We just enjoy our long weekends in the sun knowing that the chance of being gunned down is almost zero. Who's want to change that other than a loon with a 2" penis seeking something bigger to cradle?

Panther.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 3:53pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 12:32pm: the Australian Anti-Gun politicians hate their strong influence in Australia!!! What "strong influence" does the NRA have in Australia?   ::)

They try to keep the Republicans in power in Amerika.

It is a jolly world, no?

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In America, without a complete & total ban of ALL guns,
there can be no "Common Sense Gun Control"


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8-)

IN all honesty, is anyone actually asking for a total ban on all guns?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 9:38am:

IN all honesty, is anyone actually asking for a total ban on all guns?

Yes, but they are a distinct minority.....

So, do you agree with the video, that even with a TOTAL BAN, you will not make a real impact on violent gun crime simply because criminals will always get guns, & will always disobey laws.

Panther wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 10:46am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 9:38am: IN all honesty, is anyone actually asking for a total ban on all guns? Yes, but they are a distinct minority..... So, do you agree with the video, that even with a TOTAL BAN, you will not make a real impact on violent gun crime simply because criminals will always get guns, & will always disobey laws.

No. I don't.

Another shooting today at YouTube headquarters.

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Good news is the NRA reported the gun was not injured in the shooting.

Panther, you still haven't said why patriotic Australians should donate to a foreign lobby group.

What say you?

Karnal wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 12:57pm:

Panther, you still haven't said why patriotic Australians should donate to a foreign lobby group. What say you?

My posts were directed to anyone who wishes to donate to the NRA, as was specifically requested,


President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 30^th, 2018 at 3:28pm:

where can I donate?

And, being I have been a NRA member for over 15 years myself, I knew where to do so all to well.

I know they do great work, & have been quite effective on all issues related to firearm Ownership, Advocacy, & Rights.

Anyone who donates would be doing so on their own free will after doing, I would hope, a thorough investigation on their numerous successes spanning over 125 years.

Being an international gun rights advocacy group recognized by the UN, IMHO anyone interested in Gun Rights would give the NRA a good look, & personally I believe them to be a great value.

I already answered your question earlier with the above, but you obviously missed it.

➤ ➤ ➤ Now how about you answer my question to you from this earlier post about the same time:





Panther wrote on Mar 31^st, 2018 at 12:32pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 12:28pm: Panther wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 12:20pm: Karnal wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:56am: Panther wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:20am: Karnal wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:17am: Panther, I'm curious. Why would Australians donate online to a US lobby group?  The NRA supports & lobbies for gun rights, directly & indirectly, in many countries besides the USA...... Even in the United Nations ......because the NRA is International, & has been for over 20 years.....The NRA has been a recognized Non-Governmental Organization at the United Nations since 1996.  ;) .. So why wouldn't you donate to an Australian lobby group or political party? :o Ohh Please!!!!  :o......Our Political Parties are not trustworthy at all when it comes to using finances properly/as intended by the donors, & for that matter I have yet to find an Australian Lobbing group, regarding anti-gun control, worthy of my dollars.... I know the NRA, & the fine work they have done for Pro-Firearms efforts in the past, & personally would trust them with my life! How are the NRA, a US lobby group, going to do what the Shooting & Fishing Party in Australia can't? If you donate to the NRA, your money is going to finance the campaigns of US Republicans - that's it. So I'm curious. Do you donate to the Republican Party in the hope that they'll change Australian laws? Why or why not? Another reason I wholeheartedly support the NRA .....the Australian Anti-Gun politicians hate their strong influence in Australia !!! Quote: If you donate to the NRA, your money is going to finance the campaigns of US Republicans - that's it. Your proof of that??

Do you donate to other foreign politically-aligned lobby groups too, Panther?

What do you think of others donating to foreign, politically-motivated, pro-gun organisations?

What do you think of those who donate to ISIS?

Karnal wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 7:12pm:

Do you donate to other foreign politically-aligned lobby groups too, Panther? What do you think of others donating to foreign, politically-motivated, pro-gun organisations? What do you think of those who donate to ISIS?

STOP RIGHT THERE ...... I've answered you completely, now YOU ANSWER my request.....prove your statement with verifiable fact,  or expose yourself as nothing more than a troll who refuses to back-up statements they make..... 

Panther wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 11:06am:

Karnal wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 7:12pm: Do you donate to other foreign politically-aligned lobby groups too, Panther? What do you think of others donating to foreign, politically-motivated, pro-gun organisations? What do you think of those who donate to ISIS? STOP RIGHT THERE ...... I've answered you completely, now YOU ANSWER my request.....prove your statement with verifiable fact,  or expose yourself as nothing more than a troll who refuses to back-up statements they make.....

I've answered you - read the replies above. Now why are you afraid to answer?

Are you worried about being arrested for treason?

Panther wrote on Mar 30^th, 2018 at 7:04pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 30th, 2018 at 3:28pm: where can I donate? Only because you asked, IMHO your best donation is a membership. You can donate at anytime though, but you can get all the benefits while sending a message that you believe in the Individual Right to self-defense using the weapon of your own choosing, rather than letting a government deciding for ya.The NRA is active here in Australia, & your membership/donations will help fund them here too.....I've been a NRA Member for over 15 years...... https://s31.postimg.org/mzs00d8h7/NRA00001.png

they woudnt accept payments from outside the US  :-/

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 2:12pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 30th, 2018 at 7:04pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 30th, 2018 at 3:28pm: where can I donate? Only because you asked, IMHO your best donation is a membership. You can donate at anytime though, but you can get all the benefits while sending a message that you believe in the Individual Right to self-defense using the weapon of your own choosing, rather than letting a government deciding for ya.The NRA is active here in Australia, & your membership/donations will help fund them here too.....I've been a NRA Member for over 15 years...... https://s31.postimg.org/mzs00d8h7/NRA00001.png they woudnt accept payments from outside the US  :-/

I don't knwo whats sadder.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 2:12pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 30th, 2018 at 7:04pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 30th, 2018 at 3:28pm: where can I donate? Only because you asked, IMHO your best donation is a membership. You can donate at anytime though, but you can get all the benefits while sending a message that you believe in the Individual Right to self-defense using the weapon of your own choosing, rather than letting a government deciding for ya.The NRA is active here in Australia, & your membership/donations will help fund them here too.....I've been a NRA Member for over 15 years...... https://s31.postimg.org/mzs00d8h7/NRA00001.png they woudnt accept payments from outside the US  :-/

Panther probably sends them US dollars by post.

You?

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NRA Applauds Law Protecting Privacy of Firearms Records


Source:      NRA-ILA      
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Fairfax, Va. –  The National Rifle Association’s Institute for Legislative Action applauds Nebraska Governor Pete Ricketts for signing into law legislation that protects the confidentiality of personal information associated with many firearm records. On April 11, Nebraska lawmakers passedLegislative Bill 902 (47-0) to ensure that personal information contained in Firearm Permit and Purchase records will be protected from public records requests. The Nebraska State Patrol issues Concealed Handgun Permits and is required by law to keep those records confidential. However, a loophole in the state’s confidentiality law allowed unscrupulous media outlets and others access to related firearms records. LB 902 closes that loophole. “This new law gives Nebraska’s law-abiding gun owners peace of mind knowing that gun control extremists won’t have access to their personal information,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director of the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action. “Not too long ago, a newspaper in suburban New York published the names and home addresses of that community’s handgun permit holders on an interactive online map. This is the kind of sleaze the NRA is seeking to prevent in Nebraska.” In addition to releasing the confidential, personally identifying information of law-abiding permit holders who simply wish to protect themselves, this information, if publicly released, would likely include the names and addresses of current and former law enforcement, judges, undercover officers, private investigators, victims of domestic violence and individuals with no-contact order or orders of protection.

More good work by the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action, resulting in good outcomes. ;)

I'd like to know who the nutcases are around. Where do you live Panther?

Panther wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 11:06am:

STOP RIGHT THERE ...... I've answered you completely, now YOU ANSWER my request.....prove your statement with verifiable fact,  or expose yourself as nothing more than a troll who refuses to back-up statements they make.....

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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 19^th, 2018 at 10:37am:

I'd like to know who the nutcases are around. Where do you live Panther?

Australia......specifically Victoria......you.....where do you live DonkeyBoy? ;)

A safer place.

Panther wrote on Apr 19^th, 2018 at 4:05pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 19th, 2018 at 10:37am: I'd like to know who the nutcases are around. Where do you live Panther? Australia......specifically Victoria......you.....where do you live DonkeyBoy? ;)

So, Australia then, subject to Australian law.  Good.   ::)

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 2:12pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 30th, 2018 at 7:04pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 30th, 2018 at 3:28pm: where can I donate? Only because you asked, IMHO your best donation is a membership. You can donate at anytime though, but you can get all the benefits while sending a message that you believe in the Individual Right to self-defense using the weapon of your own choosing, rather than letting a government deciding for ya.The NRA is active here in Australia, & your membership/donations will help fund them here too.....I've been a NRA Member for over 15 years...... https://s31.postimg.org/mzs00d8h7/NRA00001.png they woudnt accept payments from outside the US  :-/

A friend (here in Victoria) just signed up yesterday using that link, & I just verified it took me clear through to the payment screen (about 4 screens/steps) with Paypal & all the other cards accepted.....If for some reason it wont work for you, call them directly but be aware the call cost depends on your telco service....Telstra is $.21 cents per min for their basic rates....I pay 'em $5.00 per month & it costs me only $.02 cents per min to call the USA.......saves me a fortune. ;)

A "friend"

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 20^th, 2018 at 10:38am:

A "friend"

Something alien to you DonkeyBoy?

Panther wrote on Apr 20^th, 2018 at 10:42am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 10:38am: A "friend" Something alien to you DonkeyBoy?

Not at all, I have imaginary made up people in my life as well.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 19^th, 2018 at 4:06pm:

A safer place.

With firearms you mean??

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More good work by the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action, resulting in good outcomes. ;)


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The release of personal information public is immoral and wrong no doubt. However background checks and the like, are contributing factors to limiting the gun related violence in the US. By seeking out personal information, any immediate threats from those with prior convictions or serious mental illness can be dealt with.

We are talking about an organisation, which is riddled with corruption and is wound in firearms only because there is billions of dollars which are sprouting from firearm sales each year. They support politicians, only ones who will pursue their agenda, and call themselves a non-profit organisation. Imagine if a non-profit organisation in Australia did such actions by themselves and with the government.

goldkam wrote on Apr 20^th, 2018 at 11:09am:

We are talking about an organisation, which is riddled with corruption and is wound in firearms only because there is billions of dollars which are sprouting from firearm sales each year. They support politicians, only ones who will pursue their agenda, and call themselves a non-profit organisation. Imagine if a non-profit organisation in Australia did such actions by themselves and with the government.

Everyone is entitled to express their own personal opinions........regardless of what they may be......it's called the Freedom of Speech.

Thank you for expressing your 'personal opinions' of the NRA, & what they do, how they do it, & why.

I have very different opinions about the NRA than you do, & I agree with way more of their positions than  those I might have disagreement with. That's why I'm willing to strongly support virtually all their positions. ;)

Panther wrote on Apr 20^th, 2018 at 11:31am:

goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 11:09am: We are talking about an organisation, which is riddled with corruption and is wound in firearms only because there is billions of dollars which are sprouting from firearm sales each year. They support politicians, only ones who will pursue their agenda, and call themselves a non-profit organisation. Imagine if a non-profit organisation in Australia did such actions by themselves and with the government. Everyone is entitled to express their own personal opinions........regardless of what they may be......it's called the Freedom of Speech. Thank you for expressing your 'personal opinions' of the NRA, & what they do, how they do it, & why. I have very different opinions about the NRA than you do, & I agree with way more of their positions than  those I might have disagreement with. That's why I'm willing to strongly support virtually all their positions. ;)

No doubt, I am glad you have acknowledge that notion. Freedom of Speech is extremely important in any society, but so to is factual information. I respect your opinion but disagree.

I might just note, because I feel so strongly about such an issue.

This is an organisation that defends the Second Amendment rights over the lives of individuals through mass shootings and through this provides extensive funding to attempt to manipulate politicians to support a weapon in which is contributing to these attacks. 

goldkam wrote on Apr 20^th, 2018 at 1:17pm:

Panther wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 11:31am: goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 11:09am: We are talking about an organisation, which is riddled with corruption and is wound in firearms only because there is billions of dollars which are sprouting from firearm sales each year. They support politicians, only ones who will pursue their agenda, and call themselves a non-profit organisation. Imagine if a non-profit organisation in Australia did such actions by themselves and with the government. Everyone is entitled to express their own personal opinions........regardless of what they may be......it's called the Freedom of Speech. Thank you for expressing your 'personal opinions' of the NRA, & what they do, how they do it, & why. I have very different opinions about the NRA than you do, & I agree with way more of their positions than  those I might have disagreement with. That's why I'm willing to strongly support virtually all their positions. ;) No doubt, I am glad you have acknowledge that notion. Freedom of Speech is extremely important in any society, but so to is factual information. I respect your opinion but disagree. I might just note, because I feel so strongly about such an issue. This is an organisation that defends the Second Amendment rights over the lives of individuals through mass shootings and through this provides extensive funding to attempt to manipulate politicians to support a weapon in which is contributing to these attacks.

"This is an organization that defends Second Amendment Rights..." --- Absolutely 100% true

"....over the lives of individuals through mass shootings....." --- the lives of those killed in mass shootings are the sole responsibility of the one pulling the trigger on their weapon of choice.... the shooter is the criminal. The firearm is an inanimate object & can't perform on its own. More than 99% of all firearms sold to law abiding gun owners will never be used to commit a criminal act.

".......provides extensive funding to attempt to manipulate politicians...." --- funding to manipulate politicians (commonly known as lobbying) --- 100% true & 100% legal

"......support a weapon in which is contributing to these attacks......" --- again the weapon, the firearm, is an inanimate object incapable of doing anything unless used correctly, or incorrectly by a human being....a person.

People kill, the firearm is just the tool used, used as could a knife, a car, petrol & matches, explosives, a baseball bat, a crowbar, a hammer, etc....etc....etc.....until used by a human being, they are just inanimate objects...tools.

If used incorrectly the person using them in a criminal way is the criminal, the tool is not the criminal.

Blame the person for their criminal act, not the tool......hold the person responsible for the act, responsible for the criminal action....it wasn't the responsibility of the tool used, it was the responsibility of the person who killed & wounded.

Punish criminals, not law abiding citizens who never commit crimes using their firearms.  Hold the criminal accountable for their crimes, not the good people who never commit crime.

Human nature breeds good people, & also breeds bad people. This has always been, & will always be. Good people obey laws, while bad people always ignore laws....they always break them, & no law, no matter how well crafted & intended will convince a bad person to obey them. You can't legislate goodness into people, you can only punish criminals who commit the crime.

Gun laws only affect good people, while those same exact gun laws are only held in complete & total disdain by bad people, who are responsible for 100% of all the heinous crimes committed using firearms. Take out your anger on them......Ask those in government to be more strict when punishing criminals for crimes already on the books in the hopes of lowering future incidents.....feel strongly about that!

Lowering incidents is the only attainable goal, because eliminating incidents completely is absolutely impossible.

Human nature will never let that happen.....Human nature will never only breed good people........evil will always find a way, but punishing the good because evil exists gains nothing....

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No doubt, I am glad you have acknowledge that notion. Freedom of Speech is extremely important in any society, but so to is factual information. I respect your opinion but disagree.

I might just note, because I feel so strongly about such an issue.

This is an organisation that defends the Second Amendment rights over the lives of individuals through mass shootings and through this provides extensive funding to attempt to manipulate politicians to support a weapon in which is contributing to these attacks.  [/quote]

"This is an organization that defends Second Amendment Rights..." --- Absolutely 100% true

"....over the lives of individuals through mass shootings....." --- the lives of those killed in mass shootings are the sole responsibility of the one pulling the trigger on their weapon of choice.... the shooter is the criminal. The firearm is an inanimate object & can't perform on its own. More than 99% of all firearms sold to law abiding gun owners will never be used to commit a criminal act.

Gun laws only affect good people, while those same exact gun laws are only held in complete & total disdain by bad people, who are responsible for 100% of all the heinous crimes committed using firearms. Take out your anger on them......Ask those in government to be more strict when punishing criminals for crimes already on the books in the hopes of lowering future incidents.....feel strongly about that!

Lowering incidents is the only attainable goal, because eliminating incidents completely is absolutely impossible.

Human nature will never let that happen.....Human nature will never only breed good people........evil will always find a way, but punishing the good because evil exists gains nothing....

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Firstly. Thank you for affirming my statement and thus on that note I will expand as to why I and so many disagree with the Second Amendment. This is a document which is 225 years old, a document that no one individual can seem to grasp meaning from because of the plethora of interpretations made, a phrase in which only two other countries have in their Constitution. Quite simply there is not any legislation in place that is 225 years old, because original documents are reformed and altered. It seems many see a seal on the Second Amendment. Why?? because those who a pro gun are so caught up in their right to own a gun, they fail to see the rights of others to life and a livelihood. It is the Second Amendment which is allowing these hideous firearm crimes to happen.

Secondly. It is the responsibility of the individual pulling the trigger no doubt but can you not agree the firearm plays a part in the act. Answer this....if a "criminal" didn't have a firearm would it have caused as much damage?? The premise of the point is you reduce the risk by removing the weapon. Sometimes in life things have to be given up for the greater good, in this case it is for the lives of so many. The rationality behind your notions is simple and I never alluded to such notions as a gun having living qualities.

Parkland Shooting- FBI gets blamed
Las Vegas Shooting- Mental Health gets blamed
Pulse Nightclub Shooting- Terrorism gets blamed

It seems everything else gets blamed, which is no doubt a contributing factor, everything but the firearm. It gets discussed but nothing gets pursued. How many more deaths have to occur until a solution is reached?? It simply doesn't matter in the current circumstances.....if you going to use such figures it can be said that 99% of drugs get sold to people who will utilise them to get gain a high., not utilise them to cause death.

Thirdly. Just because something is legal does not mean it is morally right. The fact is morals seem to be negated in such circumstances. It may be legal in Australia to have sexual intercourse with a sixteen year old (the age of consent) does not make it morally right. Same goes for drugs that are illegal in some US states, using them does not validate morality.

"Lets support a weapon, with the primary purpose of inflicting harm or causing death in which is being used to kill over 34,000 people and injure over 80,000 in the US each year"

Fourthly. Never stated it was a living, breathing object. Can you not affirm it is contributing to the deaths? As fore mentioned the fact is a gun's primary purpose is to inflict harm or cause death (last time I checked a car, petrol, matches and the like did not have that primary purpose)

I pose this....if someone died from a drug overdose do we suddenly not blame the tool but just blame the person?? The tool used is always a contributing factor, as is the person. If we are not blaming the tool, the cause of death would not be a gunshot wound.

Please don't blame human nature......it is the individual, the tool and the background of that individual which are to blame.

@goldcam.

Do you agree that a person has the right to defend themselves and that firearms are the most effective way to achieve that?

Auggie wrote on Apr 20^th, 2018 at 6:05pm:

@goldcam. Do you agree that a person has the right to defend themselves and that firearms are the most effective way to achieve that?

Here is my view.

Everyone has the right to defend themselves, no doubt. Different situations provide different mediums which are more effective. Thus there is no claim that a firearm is the most effective in any circumstance for instance if you are walking on the street, most will not carry a firearms in the US. In Australia no one does. Thus if someone decides to king hit or stab you the means of defence is limited, that is the mere nature of life where common sense and awareness is needed. It is impractical to carry a firearm around everywhere, if we did it would bread a culture of precaution and continual fear. There are very few accounts in the US where firearms were used as a means of self defence. In 2010 there were 36 criminal homicides for every 1 justified homicide (self defence).

Why is it that every other country except the USA and a variety of others have to utilise firearms as a means of defence but Australia, the UK, New Zealand, India, Japan and Germany don't find this a necessity.

I will at least consider this notion if.....

1) The 7% of the US population that don't lock their doors, start locking their doors. A simply means of self defence.
2) Use common sense, that is not walking in deserted streets at 2am in the morning or avoiding areas with high crime rates
3) Properly secure weapons in a safe and appropriate location, to limit the at least 450,000 firearms stolen each year.

As always, it is about the culture.



https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RzxjYsUmtoU/WtNqe9PS6nI/AAAAAAADFF8/f-sYkHsZnTsd36JsBHSvC45x9M94VrC3wCLcBGAs/s1600/GUNS.%2BHonduras%2Bvs%2BSwitzerland.jpg

@goldkam (or anyone else wishing to legitimately participate) Please watch this video in it's entirety (it's less than 4 minutes) then respond to my short question I wrote below with your answer.

Cheers https://imgur.com/8myJ5wt.gif

[media width=625]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAXxQBIfH7I[/media]



▶ ▶ So, point by point, applying proven facts with verifiable references, what do you propose to resolve what you consider the 'gun problem' in America where there is an estimated 325+ million firearms in circulation (estimated because over 98% of them are unregistered, & no one knows where they are, or who owns them), what would you suggest to eliminate gun crime, while at the same time respect the gun rights of law abiding American Citizens to keep & bear arms?

These points must be reconciled otherwise your proposal could never work in America, as legitimately stated in the final minute of the above factual video. 

Panther wrote on Apr 20^th, 2018 at 6:47pm:

@goldkam Please watch this video in it's entirety (it's less than 4 minutes) then respond to my short question I wrote below with your answer. Cheers https://imgur.com/8myJ5wt.gif [media width=625]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAXxQBIfH7I[/media] ▶ ▶ So, point by point, applying proven facts with verifiable references, what do you propose to resolve what you consider the 'gun problem' in America where there is an estimated 325+ million firearms in circulation (estimated because over 98% of them are unregistered, & no one knows where they are, or who owns them), what would you suggest to eliminate gun crime, while at the same time respect the gun rights of law abiding American Citizens to keep & bear arms? These points must be reconciled otherwise your proposal could never work in America, as legitimately stated in the final minute of the above factual video.

I feel like I am back in school again, I would have responded even if you didn't ask. Additionally you are not the teacher and I am not the student, it seems that was what this conversation was directing towards. 

I will state this before delving into your question...this is a video which points out some valid and proven facts but limits the expanse it views and thus puts forward solutions. It denies everything and offers nothing (solutions)....once again it is very easy to deny but to utilise and thus insight into solutions is much harder.

I have no substantial solution and never have stated I do but will put forward various policies and implementation that may be effective.

I am only going to answer the question of "what would you suggest to eliminate gun crime" because quite simply it would be counter productive to answer the "same time respect the gun rights of law abiding American Citizens to keep & bear arms" because I don't agree with that notion.

1) The first thing that needs to change is the culture within the United States, the culture that centres firearms in lifestyle at the same level Australia centres BBQ's and cricket in their lifestyle. Now a culture change can occur over a longer period or a shorter period (a more amicable approach given the current circumstances) each having their own strategies to match the time periodicity. The solution to this is not simple.

Education. Education. Education. Education is what drives change, is what evokes new insights. Movements like the March for Lives and various other gun control advocates have the ability with enough support can attempt to insight the hideous gun culture that the US is experiencing. Political support is also needed for such events, which at present is occurring but not at a high enough rate.

2) Along with the cultural change, comes a legislative change. Now I must add, this bias video of yours simply places gun control in this idealistic world. Simply it highlights that if it cannot be 100% effective why change it. It is all about cohesiveness between states and thus the ability for the federal government to stamp their foot down instead of avoiding the conversation. Mental Health legislation has failed to address the issue (over 1 billion dollars worth in 9 years), education has failed to stop these kids.....its time that the firearm problem is addressed. When has the firearm issue ever been addressed to a large extent.

Legislation.....
Banning anything must be followed through with a extensive and cohesive framework. The framework would consist of the banning, to begin with, of all semi-automatic weapons and attachments that enhance its capabilities. To follow through with such frameworks would be extensive fines for possession of such weapons, criminal convictions for such possessions and a national register that lists all those committing such offences. A buy back scheme could be implemented into such legislative frameworks. Then their could be a gradual implementation of legislation extending to handguns and other forms.

This will be successful if the federal and state governments support it, as well as police and agencies of the like. Support is needed.

I am not a politician, meaning the true decisions and policies will derive from law makers not me or you. The weight and depth of my perception is not anywhere near their level.

I pose this question.....how many firearm deaths in the United States is acceptable??
How many people need to die until a solution to aid or eradicate the problem is reached (its been going on for decades and decades)??

Frank wrote on Apr 20^th, 2018 at 6:36pm:

As always, it is about the culture. https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RzxjYsUmtoU/WtNqe9PS6nI/AAAAAAADFF8/f-sYkHsZnTsd36JsBHSvC45x9M94VrC3wCLcBGAs/s1600/GUNS.%2BHonduras%2Bvs%2BSwitzerland.jpg

You confuse social conditions for culture.

Auggie wrote on Apr 20^th, 2018 at 8:44pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 6:36pm: As always, it is about the culture. https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RzxjYsUmtoU/WtNqe9PS6nI/AAAAAAADFF8/f-sYkHsZnTsd36JsBHSvC45x9M94VrC3wCLcBGAs/s1600/GUNS.%2BHonduras%2Bvs%2BSwitzerland.jpg You confuse social conditions for culture.

Don't tell me they have nuffin' to do wiv each other.

goldkam wrote on Apr 20^th, 2018 at 8:26pm:

Panther wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 6:47pm: [media width=625]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAXxQBIfH7I[/media] ▶ ▶ So, point by point, applying proven facts with verifiable references, what do you propose to resolve what you consider the 'gun problem' in America where there is an estimated 325+ million firearms in circulation (estimated because over 98% of them are unregistered, & no one knows where they are, or who owns them), what would you suggest to eliminate gun crime, while at the same time respect the gun rights of law abiding American Citizens to keep & bear arms? These points must be reconciled otherwise your proposal could never work in America, as legitimately stated in the final minute of the above factual video.  I feel like I am back in school again, I would have responded even if you didn't ask. Additionally you are not the teacher and I am not the student, it seems that was what this conversation was directing towards.  I will state this before delving into your question...this is a video which points out some valid and proven facts but limits the expanse it views and thus puts forward solutions. It denies everything and offers nothing (solutions)....once again it is very easy to deny but to utilise and thus insight into solutions is much harder. I have no substantial solution and never have stated I do but will put forward various policies and implementation that may be effective. I am only going to answer the question of "what would you suggest to eliminate gun crime" because quite simply it would be counter productive to answer the "same time respect the gun rights of law abiding American Citizens to keep & bear arms" because I don't agree with that notion. 1) The first thing that needs to change is the culture within the United States, the culture that centres firearms in lifestyle at the same level Australia centres BBQ's and cricket in their lifestyle. Now a culture change can occur over a longer period or a shorter period (a more amicable approach given the current circumstances) each having their own strategies to match the time periodicity. The solution to this is not simple. Education. Education. Education. Education is what drives change, is what evokes new insights. Movements like the March for Lives and various other gun control advocates have the ability with enough support can attempt to insight the hideous gun culture that the US is experiencing. Political support is also needed for such events, which at present is occurring but not at a high enough rate. 2) Along with the cultural change, comes a legislative change. Now I must add, this bias video of yours simply places gun control in this idealistic world. Simply it highlights that if it cannot be 100% effective why change it. It is all about cohesiveness between states and thus the ability for the federal government to stamp their foot down instead of avoiding the conversation. Mental Health legislation has failed to address the issue (over 1 billion dollars worth in 9 years), education has failed to stop these kids.....its time that the firearm problem is addressed. When has the firearm issue ever been addressed to a large extent. Legislation..... Banning anything must be followed through with a extensive and cohesive framework. The framework would consist of the banning, to begin with, of all semi-automatic weapons and attachments that enhance its capabilities. To follow through with such frameworks would be extensive fines for possession of such weapons, criminal convictions for such possessions and a national register that lists all those committing such offences. A buy back scheme could be implemented into such legislative frameworks. Then their could be a gradual implementation of legislation extending to handguns and other forms. This will be successful if the federal and state governments support it, as well as police and agencies of the like. Support is needed. I am not a politician, meaning the true decisions and policies will derive from law makers not me or you. The weight and depth of my perception is not anywhere near their level. I pose this question.....how many firearm deaths in the United States is acceptable?? How many people need to die until a solution to aid or eradicate the problem is reached (its been going on for decades and decades)??

Not having a solution that will adequately provide effective supply side policies to aggressively eliminate gun crimes, while at the same time allow lawful gun owners (those who's Rights to keep & bear arms are protected & guaranteed by the US Constitution) to keep firearms & protect themselves with those firearms, then the solution(s) will never be accepted by the American People.

Nice try though.

Remember one very important fact, the US Constitution was written by the People to protect & defend the Rights of the People, while at the same time limiting the powers of government.

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goldkam wrote on Apr 20^th, 2018 at 8:26pm:

......I am not a politician, meaning the true decisions and policies will derive from law makers not me or you. The weight and depth of my perception is not anywhere near their level. I pose this question.....Q. - how many firearm deaths in the United States is acceptable?? How many people need to die until a solution to aid or eradicate the problem is reached (its been going on for decades and decades)??

First of all, the government will not be the ones who will have to resolve this issue. It will be the American People. Until the Second Amendment is either repealed in it's entirety, or drastically rewritten by the American People.......it's their document, not the governments.....the present form, as defined by the US Supreme Court, is & will remain the Law of the Land.

A. - There is no number of firearm deaths that are 'acceptable' to the American People.

That said, the American People are quite aware that the cost of Freedom is unfortunately sometimes very great. They also know that criminals break the law, & will continue to break the law..........Murder is, always has been, & will always be, against the law.............So, they have to resign themselves to the fact that saddening incidents will happen from time to time, that will cause them to grieve, but as always, they will grieve for a period of time, then get up, dust themselves off, & get back to living their lives with their American Freedoms & Liberties intact.

They know their Second Amendment Rights gives them the ability to protect & defend all the other Rights guaranteed in the US Constitution against all foes foreign &/or domestic. The Right to Keep & Bear Arms was not 'granted' by any government, or by the Constitution itself. The Constitution was written by the People, for the People. The Constitution merely acknowledges that the Right exists, & guarantees & protects that Right from infringement by government.  ;)

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Lather, can you recall for me the process of amending the US constitution?

Auggie wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2018 at 1:00pm:

Lather, can you recall for me the process of amending the US constitution?

I'm taking it you might mean me to answer your question??

Source:      The United States Constitution      
Quote:

Article V The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

I can, & have done so in detail for others, on numerous posts in the past.

Rather than going through this once again.....which I can, totally out of memory.....I'll post this video that pretty much covers it all (Article V), & provides additional historical information, most of which I have passed on from time to time in various posts as well. ;)

[media width=625]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwREAW4SlVY[/media]

I hope this simplistic, but surprisingly thorough video has helped you understand the historical background & basic processes required to change or amend any part of the existing US Constitution.....the People's Document.

As noted in the video amending the US Constitution has been attempted over 11,000 times, but realistically only 17 amendments have survived the entire process through to ratification....totaling only 27 amendments to the original Constitution. 

Successful Amendments have taken an average of 7 years to complete the process once initiated. http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/cheerskj4.gif

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Panther wrote on Apr 21^st, 2018 at 11:26pm:

goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:26pm: Panther wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 6:47pm: [media width=625]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAXxQBIfH7I[/media] ▶ ▶ So, point by point, applying proven facts with verifiable references, what do you propose to resolve what you consider the 'gun problem' in America where there is an estimated 325+ million firearms in circulation (estimated because over 98% of them are unregistered, & no one knows where they are, or who owns them), what would you suggest to eliminate gun crime, while at the same time respect the gun rights of law abiding American Citizens to keep & bear arms? These points must be reconciled otherwise your proposal could never work in America, as legitimately stated in the final minute of the above factual video.  I feel like I am back in school again, I would have responded even if you didn't ask. Additionally you are not the teacher and I am not the student, it seems that was what this conversation was directing towards.  This will be successful if the federal and state governments support it, as well as police and agencies of the like. Support is needed. I am not a politician, meaning the true decisions and policies will derive from law makers not me or you. The weight and depth of my perception is not anywhere near their level. I pose this question.....how many firearm deaths in the United States is acceptable?? How many people need to die until a solution to aid or eradicate the problem is reached (its been going on for decades and decades)?? Not having a solution that will adequately provide effective supply side policies to aggressively eliminate gun crimes, while at the same time allow lawful gun owners (those who's Rights to keep & bear arms are protected & guaranteed by the US Constitution) to keep firearms & protect themselves with those firearms, then the solution(s) will never be accepted by the American People. Nice try though. Remember one very important fact, the US Constitution was written by the People to protect & defend the Rights of the People, while at the same time limiting the powers of government. ..

No doubt, that is what legislators are for. That is to develop policies that effectively deal with such issues, policies in which both of us don't have the authority or expertise to effectively develop. What you state about the Constitution is true, through a plethora of interpretations, but why is the US one of only three states to have such in their Constitution??

Why does the US have the highest gun per capita in the world???

This is a country that has one of the highest homicide rates, robbery rate  of an developed first world country. Has the highest firearm death rate of any other first world developed country. Once again just because the right is there does not mean the right cannot be changed, just because the right is there doesn't mean it has to be exercised.

No real solutions have ever been put on the table with any form of authority before relating to firearms, so how can assume such??

I don't needed to be graded on my performance of providing solutions thank you, nice try though.

I understand that fact, a fact that has caused the death of on average 33,000 per year and injured over 84,000 every year. A fact that many Americans are attached and obsessed with.....on that notion I pose this.

The 14th Amendment stated "No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws" The laws pertaining to firearms and the use of firearms are depriving individuals of their right to life. Is this not contradicting the legislation put forth on firearms?

What is more important the right to own a firearm or the right to life?

When there is deep confusion between the powers of government and the rights of the ordinary people - those latter have no wish to be caught short, and perhaps become part of The Handyman's Tale.

Thus they may seek to arm themselves, even with no evil or imminent intent, just on the off-chance that things will finally break down.  Consider the plight of the inner city dwellers in the event of any major catastrophe - to even get to the countryside they will have to run the gauntlet of the 'outer suburbs' which often are havens for armed miscreants and are cess-pools of criminal intent.

What would you have them do?  Surrender all their valuables as a 'toll' to get past the evil-doers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdUCpUOn2fc

Panther wrote on Apr 21^st, 2018 at 11:48pm:

goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:26pm: ......I am not a politician, meaning the true decisions and policies will derive from law makers not me or you. The weight and depth of my perception is not anywhere near their level. I pose this question.....Q. - how many firearm deaths in the United States is acceptable?? How many people need to die until a solution to aid or eradicate the problem is reached (its been going on for decades and decades)?? First of all, the government will not be the ones who will have to resolve this issue. It will be the American People. Until the Second Amendment is either repealed in it's entirety, or drastically rewritten by the American People.......it's their document, not the governments.....the present form, as defined by the US Supreme Court, is & will remain the Law of the Land. A. - There is no number of firearm deaths that are 'acceptable' to the American People. That said, the American People are quite aware that the cost of Freedom is unfortunately sometimes very great. They also know that criminals break the law, & will continue to break the law..........Murder is, always has been, & will always be, against the law.............So, they have to resign themselves to the fact that saddening incidents will happen from time to time, that will cause them to grieve, but as always, they will grieve for a period of time, then get up, dust themselves off, & get back to living their lives with their American Freedoms & Liberties intact. They know their Second Amendment Rights gives them the ability to protect & defend all the other Rights guaranteed in the US Constitution against all foes foreign &/or domestic. The Right to Keep & Bear Arms was not 'granted' by any government, or by the Constitution itself. The Constitution was written by the People, for the People. The Constitution merely acknowledges that the Right exists, & guarantees & protects that Right from infringement by government.  ;) ..

Firstly
No doubt the American people with drive such a change, this change is beginning to emerge today. Now whether this be change to firearm legislation or the 2nd Amendment time will tell. I to an extent disagree, a common sense interpretation of the Constitution could see a change to the way interpretations are developed.  How does a "militia" suddenly mean every single American, when by definition it denotes it as "a military force".

The law of the land that is killing innocent people, the 2nd Amendment has a lot of blood spilt on it. What would be your solution to decreasing the firearm related violence in the United States?

Secondly
I don't want to be stretching implications but your first statement "American People are quite aware that the cost of Freedom is unfortunately sometimes very great" sounded like you were stating in a very swift manner that the right to own a gun comes with a cost, that is cost is firearm deaths??

The firearm is not necessary to survival, this is proven by nearly every other "civilised country". The firearm would not ever be associated with a school, with major tourist destinations or the like, thus you ask yourself the question why?? The question is why are firearms a normality in the lives of children gaining an education, those enjoying a vacation to Las Vegas, those travelling to work in New York? Simply Americans have this thing called helplessness syndrome, they become so accustomed to such attacks it becomes normal, that it is the part of having rights and that nothing can be done about it. This is wrong, unjust for those being killed and quite simply a problem that is recurring....and not decreasing. What has been done in the US in the past 50 years that has decreased firearm deaths significantly (on the trend line)

This is not about murder, murder is a separate issue which has separate solutions and consequences. I am here discussing firearms.  Now firearm deaths don't happen time to time, they happen daily. That is at least once in a 24 hours period.

"dust themselves off, & get back to living their lives with their American Freedoms & Liberties intact."
I don't have that. What about the countless individuals who are killed in these firearm related attacks, or those who use a firearm to commit suicide. They are deprived of their life and don't just get back up, nor do their families who grieve and morn because they have lost their family member to a weapon that has no place in the American society, a weapon with the primary purpose to kill, or inflict harm.

This so called writing for the people, is killing the people. Not to mention it was written by people who have been dead for 2 centuries but that doesn't seem to matter. 

Bottom line, the US Constitution is the most sacred document the Americans have, & they hold it to themselves as dearly as life itself.

Over the years they have attempted to alter it, change it, & amend it over 11,000 times during it's 230+ years of existence.

Outside of the first 10 Amendments to the Peoples Document, called affectionately as the Bill of Rights.....the People have only passed 17 Amendments through the process. The government doesn't own the document, the People do, yet only 17 Amendments out of 11,000 attempts. That says something.....the American People wish to maintain what they have, & live with the Freedom & Liberties they cherish. Death is a fact of life, & Americans understand the facts. The government can't change the law (the Constitution), only the People can......& the people will not budge unless they wish to.....not one second earlier.........IMHO....Our bones will be dust before any significant changes are made by the American People, that is if any changes are actually employed at all.

They know the costs, but those costs aren't due to laws or lack of laws, they are all due to the actions of criminals, who are an unfortunate part of Society, a small part, but exist they do & will always be part of the American Society.

Americans alone can alter their fate, & they are who will chose to live or die in the comforts of their own Freedoms & Liberties.

It isn't up to their government.

In America the US Government is permitted to govern only through the consent of the governed (the People), & are given specific, but limited powers, enumerated in the U S Constitution. Any powers not specifically given to the government by the People, belong solely to the America People, & the States.....who must also strictly adhere to the powers given to them by the People in their individual State Constitutions.

The opinions expressed here are only opinions, well intended as they might be, but they hold no weight in the decision making of the American People. Only facts are important......The fact is no other peoples on this planet can affect changes in America.....it belongs to the Americans, & they will do, or not do, as they please.   ;)

Panther wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2018 at 3:38pm:

Bottom line, the US Constitution is the most sacred document the Americans have, & they hold it to themselves as dearly as life itself. They have attempted to alter it, change it, & amend it over 11,000 times during it's 230+ years of existence. Outside of the first 10 Amendments to the Peoples Document, called affectionately as the Bill of Rights.....the People have only passed 17 Amendments through the process. The government doesn't own the document, the People do, yet only 17 Amendments out of 11,000 attempts. That says something.....the American People wish to maintain what they have, & live with the Freedom & Liberties they cherish. Death is a fact of life, & Americans understand the facts. The government can't change the law (the Constitution), only the People can......& the people will not budge......Our bones will be dust before any significant changes are made by the American People, that is if any changes are actually employed at all. They know the costs, but those costs aren't due to laws or lack of laws, they are all due to the actions of criminals, who are an unfortunate part of Society, a small part, but exist they do & will always be part of the American Society. Americans alone can alter their fate, & they are who will chose to live or die in the comforts of their own Freedoms & Liberties. It isn't up to their government. In America the US Government is permitted to govern only through the consent of the governed (the People), & are given specific, but limited powers, enumerated in the U S Constitution. Any powers not specifically given to the government by the People, belong solely to the America People, & the States.....who must also strictly adhere to the powers given to them by the People in their individual State Constitutions. No other peoples on this planet can affect changes in America.....it belongs to the Americans, & they will do, or not do, as they please.   ;)

You know as well as I do that the Constitution can be amended only if ratified by the States; the people have no say directly over the amendments.

Auggie wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2018 at 3:43pm:

Panther wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 3:38pm: Bottom line, the US Constitution is the most sacred document the Americans have, & they hold it to themselves as dearly as life itself. Over the years they have attempted to alter it, change it, & amend it over 11,000 times during it's 230+ years of existence. Outside of the first 10 Amendments to the Peoples Document, called affectionately as the Bill of Rights.....the People have only passed 17 Amendments through the process. The government doesn't own the document, the People do, yet only 17 Amendments out of 11,000 attempts. That says something.....the American People wish to maintain what they have, & live with the Freedom & Liberties they cherish. Death is a fact of life, & Americans understand the facts. The government can't change the law (the Constitution), only the People can......& the people will not budge unless they wish to.....not one second earlier.........IMHO....Our bones will be dust before any significant changes are made by the American People, that is if any changes are actually employed at all. They know the costs, but those costs aren't due to laws or lack of laws, they are all due to the actions of criminals, who are an unfortunate part of Society, a small part, but exist they do & will always be part of the American Society. Americans alone can alter their fate, & they are who will chose to live or die in the comforts of their own Freedoms & Liberties. It isn't up to their government. In America the US Government is permitted to govern only through the consent of the governed (the People), & are given specific, but limited powers, enumerated in the U S Constitution. Any powers not specifically given to the government by the People, belong solely to the America People, & the States.....who must also strictly adhere to the powers given to them by the People in their individual State Constitutions. The opinions expressed here are only opinions, well intended as they might be, but they hold no weight in the decision making of the American People. Only facts are important......The fact is no other peoples on this planet can affect changes in America.....it belongs to the Americans, & they will do, or not do, as they please.   ;) You know as well as I do that the Constitution can be amended only if ratified by the States; the people have no say directly over the amendments.

Yes, 38 States out of the total of 50 must ratify an amendment for it to become the Law of the Land,  the US Constitution.

Only 13 States need to reject an amendment for it to fail.....

How do those 50 States ratify?

What are their processes?    .......   Do you know?

How many of them require referendums or Constitutional Conventions -- direct votes of the people --  that the State Representatives (hired by the people) must honor in their ratification process....... How many of them require referendums & or Conventions? 5 States.....10 States.....15 States.....20 States?

How many?

Anything over 12 States, of the 50 total States, puts the Amendment decision directly in the hands of the People......& as you should know voting is not mandatory in any of the 50 States.

So, do you know how many State Constitutions, also written by the People via Constitutional Conventions, require Referendums or Constitutional Conventions.....or more specifically, the direct involvement of the People in one form or another? http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/imthinkin6.gif

Panther wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2018 at 4:11pm:

Auggie wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 3:43pm: Panther wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 3:38pm: Bottom line, the US Constitution is the most sacred document the Americans have, & they hold it to themselves as dearly as life itself. Over the years they have attempted to alter it, change it, & amend it over 11,000 times during it's 230+ years of existence. Outside of the first 10 Amendments to the Peoples Document, called affectionately as the Bill of Rights.....the People have only passed 17 Amendments through the process. The government doesn't own the document, the People do, yet only 17 Amendments out of 11,000 attempts. That says something.....the American People wish to maintain what they have, & live with the Freedom & Liberties they cherish. Death is a fact of life, & Americans understand the facts. The government can't change the law (the Constitution), only the People can......& the people will not budge unless they wish to.....not one second earlier.........IMHO....Our bones will be dust before any significant changes are made by the American People, that is if any changes are actually employed at all. They know the costs, but those costs aren't due to laws or lack of laws, they are all due to the actions of criminals, who are an unfortunate part of Society, a small part, but exist they do & will always be part of the American Society. Americans alone can alter their fate, & they are who will chose to live or die in the comforts of their own Freedoms & Liberties. It isn't up to their government. In America the US Government is permitted to govern only through the consent of the governed (the People), & are given specific, but limited powers, enumerated in the U S Constitution. Any powers not specifically given to the government by the People, belong solely to the America People, & the States.....who must also strictly adhere to the powers given to them by the People in their individual State Constitutions. The opinions expressed here are only opinions, well intended as they might be, but they hold no weight in the decision making of the American People. Only facts are important......The fact is no other peoples on this planet can affect changes in America.....it belongs to the Americans, & they will do, or not do, as they please.   ;) You know as well as I do that the Constitution can be amended only if ratified by the States; the people have no say directly over the amendments. Yes, 38 States out of the total of 50 must ratify an amendment for it to become the Law of the Land,  the US Constitution. Only 13 States need to reject an amendment for it to fail..... How do those 50 States ratify? What are their processes?    .......   Do you know? How many of them require referendums or Constitutional Conventions -- direct votes of the people --  that the State Representatives (hired by the people) must honor in their ratification process....... How many of them require referendums & or Conventions? 5 States.....10 States.....15 States.....20 States? How many? Anything over 12 States, of the 50 total States, puts the Amendment decision directly in the hands of the People......& as you should know voting is not mandatory in any of the 50 States. So, do you know how many State Constitutions, also written by the People via Constitutional Conventions, require Referendums or Constitutional Conventions.....or more specifically, the direct involvement of the People in one form or another? http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/imthinkin6.gif

But, not all 38 States?? Only 12?

Auggie wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2018 at 5:02pm:

But, not all 38 States?? Only 12?

In order to ratify an Amendment to the US Constitution, 3/4 of the 50 States (38 States) must Ratify an Amendment in order for the Amendment to the US Constitution to pass.

38 is the magic number.....for passage/ratification

That means only 13 of the 50 States needs to reject the Amendment in order for the Amendment to fail, & the Amendment process is ended.

13 is the magic number.......for rejection

Any attempt to pass the same Amendment, or another Amendment, must start from scratch in the US House & US Senate.


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Panther wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2018 at 5:18pm:

Auggie wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 5:02pm: But, not all 38 States?? Only 12? In order to ratify an Amendment to the US Constitution, 3/4 of the 50 States (38 States) must Ratify an Amendment in order for the Amendment to the US Constitution to pass. 38 is the magic number.....for passage/ratification That means only 13 of the 50 States needs to reject the Amendment in order for the Amendment to fail, & the Amendment process is ended. 13 is the magic number.......for rejection Any attempt to pass the same Amendment, or another Amendment, must start from scratch in the US House & US Senate. ..

Exactly, so when you say: "only the people decide", that's not actually correct, is it?

Panther wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2018 at 3:38pm:

Bottom line, the US Constitution is the most sacred document the Americans have, & they hold it to themselves as dearly as life itself. Over the years they have attempted to alter it, change it, & amend it over 11,000 times during it's 230+ years of existence. Outside of the first 10 Amendments to the Peoples Document, called affectionately as the Bill of Rights.....the People have only passed 17 Amendments through the process. The government doesn't own the document, the People do, yet only 17 Amendments out of 11,000 attempts. That says something.....the American People wish to maintain what they have, & live with the Freedom & Liberties they cherish. Death is a fact of life, & Americans understand the facts. The government can't change the law (the Constitution), only the People can......& the people will not budge unless they wish to.....not one second earlier.........IMHO....Our bones will be dust before any significant changes are made by the American People, that is if any changes are actually employed at all. They know the costs, but those costs aren't due to laws or lack of laws, they are all due to the actions of criminals, who are an unfortunate part of Society, a small part, but exist they do & will always be part of the American Society. Americans alone can alter their fate, & they are who will chose to live or die in the comforts of their own Freedoms & Liberties. It isn't up to their government. In America the US Government is permitted to govern only through the consent of the governed (the People), & are given specific, but limited powers, enumerated in the U S Constitution. Any powers not specifically given to the government by the People, belong solely to the America People, & the States.....who must also strictly adhere to the powers given to them by the People in their individual State Constitutions. The opinions expressed here are only opinions, well intended as they might be, but they hold no weight in the decision making of the American People. Only facts are important......The fact is no other peoples on this planet can affect changes in America.....it belongs to the Americans, & they will do, or not do, as they please.   ;)

1- Here is the bottom line. You claim it to be the most sacred document that Americans have, many hold it as dearly as life itself.
This sacred document that 1 in 3 Americans couldn't name a single right protected by the 1st Amendment.
This sacred document that only 1 in 4 could name the three branches of Government.
A sacred document that everyone in the US is entitled to and thus due process of law and the right to make their case before the courts. Yet 53% of Americans believe the Constitution affords undocumented immigrants no rights.
This sacred document that didn't, until 1965 guarantee black people’s right to vote

How sacred is this document, and how much does this document really mean to people....your claim sounded convincing but is the terming of "many" actually true. Being the law of the land does not imply agreeance with or support of.

2- 11,000 times with only a dozen success. This raises questions as to the Constitutions malleability and adaptability for new interpretations or insights?? The textual integrity of such a document is quite harrowing in some areas, given its application to modern days. Additionally, just because some wasn't passed doesn't not mean their wasn't a split of 55/45, which highlights there is still immense support on one side. The Government cannot change it but they have to initiate it, the Government does then have to apply due laws into legislation to provide some weight, with the courts then interpreting it.

On your notion of death, yes it is a fact of life, but death by firearm should not be a fact of life. Especially for children who are attending school it is not a fact of life for them, I find that quite insulting for you to have the hide to state such.

Both our implications are assumptions, none of which has an outstanding to claim to be correct

3- So you claim criminals don't fall under the legislation and thus cannot be swayed or then impacted by legislation?? Its as if you claim that nothing can be done about criminals.

4- So did those people walking down the Las Vegas strip have the intention to die, that is they choose to??
What about those children attending school, in Parkland Florida??

5- The government is in place to create an order, that is legislate, lead and thus be this body that can essentially act as a mechanism to the needs of society. Not people, because that implies individuals, a collective society. Now sometimes these needs are not seen by the majority and thus must be acted upon, as it is for the greater good of society.

Auggie wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2018 at 5:35pm:

Panther wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 5:18pm: Auggie wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 5:02pm: But, not all 38 States?? Only 12? In order to ratify an Amendment to the US Constitution, 3/4 of the 50 States (38 States) must Ratify an Amendment in order for the Amendment to the US Constitution to pass. 38 is the magic number.....for passage/ratification That means only 13 of the 50 States needs to reject the Amendment in order for the Amendment to fail, & the Amendment process is ended. 13 is the magic number.......for rejection Any attempt to pass the same Amendment, or another Amendment, must start from scratch in the US House & US Senate. .. Exactly, so when you say: "only the people decide", that's not actually correct, is it?

Well, yes it is......in those States where the State Constitution dictate a Referendum, or a State Convention, those States must have direct voting to determine Passage or Rejection.

Now, as opposed to State Wide US House or US State votes, the State Local Representative voting is similar to our Shire or Council voting....these Representatives are neighbors to their constituents. The people elect the representatives, & if the representatives don't honor their wishes, they have a swift recall, & then an emergency local representative reelection. But all in all the people will not tolerate their local representatives if they are commanded to vote one way (they have mandatory weekly town hall meetings, so the representatives are quite aware of their voting 'orders') they must vote the way the people demand, or go onto the unemployment line, get shot at, or watch their house burn down.....remember we are talking American's here, not herded sheep that fear government.......the local judges & sheriffs are hired by the People via elections, not hired by the government......so they know when to get involved or look the other way.....that simple.

So in the end if 90 Representatives are told in their Town Hall Meetings to vote against.....89 will probably do just that, if not all 90.....very rarely do the voters get the shaft from local representatives.....they don't have much to insulate themselves from an angry mob of gun totin' rednecks. Who votes how is made known immediately, as soon as the Representative votes......when the Representative votes there is no such thing as a 'secret' ballot....So all in all, it's the same as if the people had their individual votes counted.....the people control the Representatives, not like here where Councils/Shires get out of hand & away from the will of the people.

The context of a constitution is that it is universal - meaning it also provides protections and right for those who may not even understand it. 

A criminal will most certainly not be bound by the rights of others - that is the essence of being criminal.

The government does indeed create order - but some do not abide by it. The essence of the Wyatt Earp Vendetta was, in fact, a dispute between opposing factions of legally elected Law... in the pursuit of Order... both 'sides' were elected and sworn officers of law - only one could be right about what constituted Order.

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Want to read the latest NRA SHOOTING ILLUSTRATED?

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I'd try but I'm sure you've stuck the pages together.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 9:27am:

I'd try but I'm sure you've stuck the pages together.

WTF you on about now DonkeyBoy????!!  http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/faint.png

Click the link or click the image, then when the magazine loads read it page by page clicking the arrows on the right or lft sides of the loaded magazine.....Duh!!! http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/doh.png

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The NRA 2018 Annual Convention


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LIBERAL BACKFIRE: NRA Breaks 15 Year Fundraising Record The left and their allies in media have spent almost three months demonizing the National Rifle Association. They even tried to blame the NRA for the shooting in Parkland, which is absurd. All of this attention has completely backfired. The NRA just broke a fundraising record. McClatchy reports: The NRA just broke a 15-year fundraising record As the student-led March for Our Lives movement captured the nation’s attention in the weeks after the Parkland shooting, the other side of the gun control debate enjoyed a banner month of its own. The National Rifle Association’s Political Victory Fund raised $2.4 million from March 1 to March 31, the group’s first full month of political fundraising since the nation’s deadliest high school shooting on Valentine’s Day, according to filings submitted to the Federal Elections Commission. The total is $1.5 million more than the organization raised during the same time period in 2017, when it took in $884,000 in donations, and $1.6 million more than it raised in February 2018. The $2.4 million haul is the most money raised by the NRA’s political arm in one month since June 2003, the last month when electronic federal records were readily available. It surpasses the $1.1 million and $1.5 million raised in January and February 2013, the two months after the Sandy Hook school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut. Let’s hope the left keeps attacking the NRA. It’s working out beautifully.

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BTW.........a while back someone posted gleefully that American Gun Manufacturing was dying because Remington Firearms, one of America's oldest gun makers, went bankrupt, & other less catchy falsehoods.

It's absolutely amazing how little is know about American law. Take Bankruptcy for instance. People here thing that means being forced to go out of business.....going broke with all their assets being discharged.

Well, President Trump did it 6 times, & he's still the head of an empire, along with still being a billionaire.

When an American Company sees Bankruptcy in it's future, all it means is that it is in strife, & needs protection from it's creditors while it restructures it's business with a workable plan to get 'out of the hole'. The US Courts give Remington & other such business this relief. The halt all claims by their creditors & restructure the companies debt so it can survive, making repayments to those creditors at markedly lower rates than originally negotiated...over much longer periods of time. It also ensures that the companies employees are safe from devastating loss of jobs, or cuts to vital income during the restructure. The Companies basically continue business as usual, & as long as they stick to the Court's Plan, in a few years the Bankruptcy is washed from their credit history.

This is what Remington Firearms is doing. It filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy protection, & the Courts set them cover to continue business as close to usual as possible while they restructure.


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Source: NRA's  Shooting Illustrated, from my earlier post above ▲ ▲ ▲


American firearms companies aren't going away. Remington has survived for over 200 years, & looks like 200 more to come.... ;)

Panther wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 10:21am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 9:27am: I'd try but I'm sure you've stuck the pages together. WTF you on about now DonkeyBoy????!!  http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/faint.png Click the link or click the image, then when the magazine loads read it page by page clicking the arrows on the right or lft sides of the loaded magazine.....Duh!!! http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/doh.png

Ummm, have a think about it.

Colorado: Gun Control Legislation Dies in Senate Committee


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Yesterday, the Senate State, Veterans, and Military Affairs Committee voted down House Bill 1436 by a 3 to 2 party-line vote.  HB 1436 was the "red flag" bill and would allow family, roommates or household members, and law enforcement to have an individual’s guns taken away without a hearing and little to no due process.  The bill allows the confiscation of firearms through ex parte hearings where a person isn't given notice and a hearing. Thank you to NRA Members and Second Amendment supporters who continually contacted their lawmakers in opposition to this anti-gun measure.  Special thanks to those legislators who continued to support your Right to Keep and Bear arms by voting “no” on House Bill 1436.

God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............God Bless the NRA............

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President Donald Trump & Vice President Mike Pence
Make History in Dallas



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For the first time in the organization’s history, a sitting president and vice president both addressed NRA members at the 147th Annual Meetings in Dallas on Friday during the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum.  This makes the second year in a row that President Trump's visit is one for the history books.   Last year, he became the first sitting president to attend the Annual Meetings in more than three decades when he spoke at the 2017 Leadership Forum in Atlanta.  The last president to attend the NRA Annual Meetings was Ronald Reagan in 1983. And just as he did last year, President Trump promised to the cheering, capacity crowd that he will protect the firearms freedom of law-abiding Americans and that recent efforts to restrict the Second Amendment will be staunchly opposed by his administration.  Vice President Pence echoed the president’s sentiments, noting to the crowd that both he and President Trump will stand strong against any attempts to undermine our freedom. In addition to the president and vice president, the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum featured speakers from across the country, including elected officials, first responders, veterans, NRA leaders, and freedom-loving Americans from all walks of life.........CONTINUED

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In God We Trust....  :)

and guns against Traitors...  >:(

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Good Girl with a Gun Efficiently
Dispatches Bad Man with a Gun!!!

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Panther wrote on May 14^th, 2018 at 6:57pm:

.. Good Girl with a Gun Efficiently Dispatches Bad Man with a Gun!!! http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/pope.gif  Say G'Day ta ya Maker, Chump!!!  http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/RIP0001.gif [media width=725]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIki2Wqij7I[/media]

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Good Girl with a Gun dispatches Bad Man with a Gun

Looks more like average actor with gun shoots fair actor with gun ???

Dnarever wrote on May 14^th, 2018 at 7:31pm:

Panther wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 6:57pm: .. Good Girl with a Gun Efficiently Dispatches Bad Man with a Gun!!! http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/pope.gif  Say G'Day ta ya Maker, Chump!!!  http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/RIP0001.gif [media width=725]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIki2Wqij7I[/media] Quote: Good Girl with a Gun dispatches Bad Man with a Gun Looks more like average actor with gun shoots fair actor with gun ???

Really......well......Snopes verified the validity of the story......here is what they found, & how they decided.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/brazil-mothers-day-robbery/

Panther wrote on May 14^th, 2018 at 7:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 7:31pm: Panther wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 6:57pm: .. Good Girl with a Gun Efficiently Dispatches Bad Man with a Gun!!! http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/pope.gif  Say G'Day ta ya Maker, Chump!!!  http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/RIP0001.gif [media width=725]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIki2Wqij7I[/media] Quote: Good Girl with a Gun dispatches Bad Man with a Gun Looks more like average actor with gun shoots fair actor with gun ??? Really......well......Snopes verified the validity of the story......here is what they found, & how they decided. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/brazil-mothers-day-robbery/

First thing - don't go to this site it is virus infected.

The woman in the story was an off duty military police woman from Brazil and in Brazil.

The inference of this being in the US is dishonest, not related to the second amendment.

As I said the video shown is a staged likely re-enactment by actors or do they have high quality colour video on all their pedestrian crossings in Brazil ?

Panther wrote on May 14^th, 2018 at 7:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 7:31pm: Panther wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 6:57pm: .. Good Girl with a Gun Efficiently Dispatches Bad Man with a Gun!!! http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/pope.gif  Say G'Day ta ya Maker, Chump!!!  http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/RIP0001.gif [media width=725]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIki2Wqij7I[/media] Quote: Good Girl with a Gun dispatches Bad Man with a Gun Looks more like average actor with gun shoots fair actor with gun ??? Really......well......Snopes verified the validity of the story......here is what they found, & how they decided. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/brazil-mothers-day-robbery/

That is one criminal who will not reoffend

Baronvonrort wrote on May 14^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

Panther wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 7:55pm: Dnarever wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 7:31pm: Panther wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 6:57pm: .. Good Girl with a Gun Efficiently Dispatches Bad Man with a Gun!!! http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/pope.gif  Say G'Day ta ya Maker, Chump!!!  http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/RIP0001.gif [media width=725]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIki2Wqij7I[/media] Quote: Good Girl with a Gun dispatches Bad Man with a Gun Looks more like average actor with gun shoots fair actor with gun ??? Really......well......Snopes verified the validity of the story......here is what they found, & how they decided. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/brazil-mothers-day-robbery/ That is one criminal who will not reoffend

Exactly why I posted it....not that the incident happened in the USA....that was never claimed or even inferred.....just a law abiding female gun owner, who just so happened to be a policeman, but could have been any citizen anywhere in the world armed with a firearm, not waiting for the government to show up & protect herself, her family, or the other people she was with.....no she took the bull by the horns, pulled her firearm & shot this gun firing thief, protecting the good people around her ............ taking responsibility for her self-defense personally. Being a police officer herself doesn't negate her acting upon he personal responsibility for self-defense as she was off duty.

The best way to stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun.....in this case a good woman with a gun.....& that works anywhere in the world.

Panther wrote on May 14^th, 2018 at 6:57pm:

.. Good Girl with a Gun Efficiently Dispatches Bad Man with a Gun!!! http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/pope.gif  Say G'Day ta ya Maker, Chump!!!  http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/RIP0001.gif [media width=725]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIki2Wqij7I[/media]

that was freaking awesome...  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3LzC4yU_p8