http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/lawrence-trump-may-privately-realize-error-of-putin-call-1191849027522

The scariest thing about Trump is not his terrible nature but rather the fact that he is just SO STUPID.

Yep that is our Donald!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

The video wouldn't play.

Longy - you need to stop watching msnbc -

you'll become retarded.

I didn't know you are American, Red.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 7:08pm:

The video wouldn't play. Longy - you need to stop watching msnbc - you'll become retarded.

Year 9 maths, unit.

Longy should have done English instead.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 7:01pm:

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/lawrence-trump-may-privately-realize-error-of-putin-call-1191849027522 The scariest thing about Trump is not his terrible nature but rather the fact that he is just SO STUPID.

MSNBC...  ;D

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longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 7:01pm:

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/lawrence-trump-may-privately-realize-error-of-putin-call-1191849027522 The scariest thing about Trump is not his terrible nature but rather the fact that he is just SO STUPID.

You expect us to take you seriously.

You said Trump had no chance of becoming President

That he would be impeached by now and in jail!

Also that he worked for Putin!

That the economy would crash!

That his criminal empire would be exposed once in office!

Every prediction and every allegation was wrong.

Only the most retarded ozpol posters take you seriously - you are a joke!

To obtain some credibility you need to apologize for telling all your lies!

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 7:08pm:

The video wouldn't play. Longy - you need to stop watching msnbc - you'll become retarded.

indeed Bobby.

longie needs to catch the train

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwDiPrFCM0M&t=236s

so lunatics... you 'cant' play videos because it is all a bit too hard for you to do????

You really arent very bright yourselves, are you?

Trump is the stupidest person in every room.

We have to sit through, and take seriously all the various right wing and fringe bloggers and vloggers pretending to be news sources scaring their viewers with conspiracy and lies to buy their survival gear or their "hidden truth" books/videos AND we have to take what they say as fact, but you won't sit through a trusted news source giving an opinion on Trump?

The standards of quality and integrity you're willing to ignore if you like the point means you can't suddenly care about the source when it's material you don't like.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 6:28am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22nd, 2018 at 7:08pm: The video wouldn't play. Longy - you need to stop watching msnbc - you'll become retarded. indeed Bobby. longie needs to catch the train https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwDiPrFCM0M&t=236s

So, looks like Trump supporters want him to win a reality TV show.

I hope they realise he's the President and his actions can't just be rewritten in a future episode like he tried to rewrite his past.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 7:43am:

We have to sit through, and take seriously all the various right wing and fringe bloggers and vloggers pretending to be news sources scaring their viewers with conspiracy and lies to buy their survival gear or their "hidden truth" books/videos AND we have to take what they say as fact, but you won't sit through a trusted news source giving an opinion on Trump? The standards of quality and integrity you're willing to ignore if you like the point means you can't suddenly care about the source when it's material you don't like.

The intellectual dishonesty of Trumptards is considerable, but sadly, not surprising.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 7:08pm:

The video wouldn't play. Longy - you need to stop watching msnbc - you'll become retarded.

Become? :-/

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 7:48am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 23rd, 2018 at 7:43am: We have to sit through, and take seriously all the various right wing and fringe bloggers and vloggers pretending to be news sources scaring their viewers with conspiracy and lies to buy their survival gear or their "hidden truth" books/videos AND we have to take what they say as fact, but you won't sit through a trusted news source giving an opinion on Trump? The standards of quality and integrity you're willing to ignore if you like the point means you can't suddenly care about the source when it's material you don't like. The intellectual dishonesty of Trumptards is considerable, but sadly, not surprising.

thats not what i see.

most of those people from "real' america seem as honest as the day is long.
they seem "salt of the earth' types.

but the intellectual elite in washington dont look like they could lie straight in bed.

ans the reason Trump won is that this is the perception of the people.

they dont trust the elites.
the elites dont vibe with them
and "scalding" the trump voters is unlikely to be fruitful

aquascoot wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 8:07am:

thats not what i see. most of those people from "real' america seem as honest as the day is long. they seem "salt of the earth' types. but the intellectual elite in washington dont look like they could lie straight in bed. ans the reason Trump won is that this is the perception of the people. they dont trust the elites. the elites dont vibe with them and "scalding" the trump voters is unlikely to be fruitful

We see more eye to eye sometime than I'm comfortable with.

My biggest worry is what happens when the Trump voters, those who "trust" him, realise that he has already betrayed most of the reasons they trusted him and is on the way to continuing this trend.

Yes he's extremely good at optics.  Nobody can take this away from him.  The quality of the products he's been producing for the last 30 years, be it real estate, education or even steaks is not up to the standards he claims, not even close.  But he is able to convince people that it is.  That is his true skill, bullshitting.

Why do you think most of the banks and most other business people know better than to make deals with him?

Back to the point, my biggest fear, perhaps "concern" is better, is what will happen to the people and who will they turn to once they realise they've been duped by Trump.  They've been so determined and so steadfast in their support of him after feeling betrayed by those that came before him that I honestly don't know how they'll react once they see the truth.

But back to the point of this thread, I don't hold Trump in high regard when it comes to intelligence and general knowledge.  As President he has access to teams of people that will research and inform him of the important topics in straight forward briefings, but he acts like he doesn't bother.

He thinks he's the smarted in the room and can bullshit and fake it until he makes it.  His exchange that he foolishly bragged about with Trudeau is further evidence of that.  It may have served him well in the business world where desperate people with money will believe that he can make them more and buy whatever he is selling, but he's the president now.

As many of his supporters like to remind us, The President.  He has a responsibility to the people of the nation, not just himself.  He doesn't act like he's figured that out yet.

If he's going into a meetings representing the people of the nation, he has the duty to be informed as he enters the room.  A last minute palm card with "I hear you" written on it to remind him to be human isn't enough.

I don't know if he doesn't have the attention span to read the briefings or that he doesn't have the time to watch Fox News AND read, or have the briefings read out to him.  Perhaps he doesn't have the ability to retain the information?

Whatever it is, he needs to do better, and it needs to happen now.

If he would act in some way competent and capable of the role, even those on the left wouldn't be so quick to attack him.

But he does and says such stupid things on such a regular basis, what do you expect?

Any objective analysis, not just that of his critics and certainly not that of his supporters (you know the type, those who insist he wasn't mocking a disabled reporter even after watching the video of him mocking the disabled reporter, then attack the reporter) at best shows he needs to up his game or more and more, the label of "stupid" will be justified.

We used to hold such high standards for who occupied the oval office and would hold those there to this standard.  It happened with Obama, it happened with Bush, Clinton before him, going back hundreds of years.

Trump's actions would have been enough to end any former President.  Hell, even things Obama had nothing to do with were attributed to him and people tried to hold him to account for them.  But Trump, he is able to manipulate the optics and avoid responsibility.  He's certainly not stupid when it comes to that.  But this seems to be the limit of his skill set.

Trump has somehow been able to lower the bar.  And this is what he always does.  Rather than rise to the occasion, he brings everything down around him to his level or lower so he seems better in comparison.

Look at the attacks against Mueller now.  Trump is scared of what Mueller will find so rather than Trump simply being innocent, he's trying to bring down Mueller and paint him as a criminal with a shady past so when he fires him it will be seen as a positive by his supporters. 

It's been the same theme for the entire set of investigations.  Rather than Trump being innocent and having nothing to fear, he is trying to sway public opinion by attacking the agencies (something he was doing the opposite of when they were investigating Hillary) and taking action to stop the investigations.

Not the actions of an innocent man, or a smart one.

The problem for Trump is that he thinks everyone is a stupid as him so what would fool him, will fool everyone.  It works for a big percentage of the people, but not everyone, and not enough.

Sad , that may all be true, but you have to "meet people where they are at"

and this is where the left fall down, again and again and again.

the left call Trump arrogant but they lack the self reflection and introspection to see themselves as the "great unwashed " see them.

say you are a uni professor and you see a crowd of people on the train heading to a football match.
say you were to scald these people " why are you going to watch a group of men kick a peice of leather around on a patch of grass, why dont you do something more useful with your time like go home and read some shakespeare".

now on one level that professor is absolutely correct.

but he has failed to "meet the people where they are at".

and in so doing, he has been arrogant, he has been stupid and he has failed.

Now, when the left can confess to the people that they (the left) have been arrogant, and stupid and failed, then the "great unwashed " may be amenable to listening to them.

but i see no signs of this happening.

if you think that gweggy and longie and marla  are a force to enhance the vote of the left , i would ask you to reconsider  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 9:40am:

say you are a uni professor and you see a crowd of people on the train heading to a football match. say you were to scald these people " why are you going to watch a group of men kick a peice of leather around on a patch of grass, why dont you do something more useful with your time like go home and read some shakespeare". ;)

All the professors I know actually are football fans.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 8:57am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 23rd, 2018 at 8:07am: thats not what i see. most of those people from "real' america seem as honest as the day is long. they seem "salt of the earth' types. but the intellectual elite in washington dont look like they could lie straight in bed. ans the reason Trump won is that this is the perception of the people. they dont trust the elites. the elites dont vibe with them and "scalding" the trump voters is unlikely to be fruitful We see more eye to eye sometime than I'm comfortable with. My biggest worry is what happens when the Trump voters, those who "trust" him, realise that he has already betrayed most of the reasons they trusted him and is on the way to continuing this trend. Yes he's extremely good at optics.  Nobody can take this away from him.  The quality of the products he's been producing for the last 30 years, be it real estate, education or even steaks is not up to the standards he claims, not even close.  But he is able to convince people that it is.  That is his true skill, bullshitting. Why do you think most of the banks and most other business people know better than to make deals with him? Back to the point, my biggest fear, perhaps "concern" is better, is what will happen to the people and who will they turn to once they realise they've been duped by Trump.  They've been so determined and so steadfast in their support of him after feeling betrayed by those that came before him that I honestly don't know how they'll react once they see the truth. But back to the point of this thread, I don't hold Trump in high regard when it comes to intelligence and general knowledge.  As President he has access to teams of people that will research and inform him of the important topics in straight forward briefings, but he acts like he doesn't bother. He thinks he's the smarted in the room and can bullshit and fake it until he makes it.  His exchange that he foolishly bragged about with Trudeau is further evidence of that.  It may have served him well in the business world where desperate people with money will believe that he can make them more and buy whatever he is selling, but he's the president now. As many of his supporters like to remind us, The President.  He has a responsibility to the people of the nation, not just himself.  He doesn't act like he's figured that out yet. If he's going into a meetings representing the people of the nation, he has the duty to be informed as he enters the room.  A last minute palm card with "I hear you" written on it to remind him to be human isn't enough. I don't know if he doesn't have the attention span to read the briefings or that he doesn't have the time to watch Fox News AND read, or have the briefings read out to him.  Perhaps he doesn't have the ability to retain the information? Whatever it is, he needs to do better, and it needs to happen now. If he would act in some way competent and capable of the role, even those on the left wouldn't be so quick to attack him. But he does and says such stupid things on such a regular basis, what do you expect? Any objective analysis, not just that of his critics and certainly not that of his supporters (you know the type, those who insist he wasn't mocking a disabled reporter even after watching the video of him mocking the disabled reporter, then attack the reporter) at best shows he needs to up his game or more and more, the label of "stupid" will be justified. We used to hold such high standards for who occupied the oval office and would hold those there to this standard.  It happened with Obama, it happened with Bush, Clinton before him, going back hundreds of years. Trump's actions would have been enough to end any former President.  Hell, even things Obama had nothing to do with were attributed to him and people tried to hold him to account for them.  But Trump, he is able to manipulate the optics and avoid responsibility.  He's certainly not stupid when it comes to that.  But this seems to be the limit of his skill set. Trump has somehow been able to lower the bar.  And this is what he always does.  Rather than rise to the occasion, he brings everything down around him to his level or lower so he seems better in comparison. Look at the attacks against Mueller now.  Trump is scared of what Mueller will find so rather than Trump simply being innocent, he's trying to bring down Mueller and paint him as a criminal with a shady past so when he fires him it will be seen as a positive by his supporters.  It's been the same theme for the entire set of investigations.  Rather than Trump being innocent and having nothing to fear, he is trying to sway public opinion by attacking the agencies (something he was doing the opposite of when they were investigating Hillary) and taking action to stop the investigations. Not the actions of an innocent man, or a smart one. The problem for Trump is that he thinks everyone is a stupid as him so what would fool him, will fool everyone.  It works for a big percentage of the people, but not everyone, and not enough.

Excellent post.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 9:40am:

Sad , that may all be true, but you have to "meet people where they are at" and this is where the left fall down, again and again and again. the left call Trump arrogant but they lack the self reflection and introspection to see themselves as the "great unwashed " see them. say you are a uni professor and you see a crowd of people on the train heading to a football match. say you were to scald these people " why are you going to watch a group of men kick a peice of leather around on a patch of grass, why dont you do something more useful with your time like go home and read some shakespeare". now on one level that professor is absolutely correct. but he has failed to "meet the people where they are at". and in so doing, he has been arrogant, he has been stupid and he has failed. Now, when the left can confess to the people that they (the left) have been arrogant, and stupid and failed, then the "great unwashed " may be amenable to listening to them. but i see no signs of this happening. if you think that gweggy and longie and marla  are a force to enhance the vote of the left , i would ask you to reconsider  ;)

What does the left have to do with this, Aquascoot?

I'm curious.

The contention that Trump is extremely stupid is pretty easy to prove. Everything he does and says is just so foolish and counter to the advice given him that 'stupidity' is the only excuse. All the trouble he finds himself in - and it is a massive amount of trouble - can be drawn back extremely stupid statement, acts of behaviours. Every single problem he faces is on of his own making and exacerbated by his chronically dreadful decision making.

EVERYONE who has anything to do with him complains about how unbelievably stupid he is. Michael Wolf's book states that he interviewed over 100 people and EVERY SINGLE ONE stated how surprised they were at Trumps stupidity. Not just his ignorance or narcissism, but he abject STUPIDITY.

The REpublicans are now responsible for dealing and supporting someone who is stupider than anyone they have ever met before.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 10:53am:

The contention that Trump is extremely stupid is pretty easy to prove. Everything he does and says is just so foolish and counter to the advice given him that 'stupidity' is the only excuse. All the trouble he finds himself in - and it is a massive amount of trouble - can be drawn back extremely stupid statement, acts of behaviours. Every single problem he faces is on of his own making and exacerbated by his chronically dreadful decision making. EVERYONE who has anything to do with him complains about how unbelievably stupid he is. Michael Wolf's book states that he interviewed over 100 people and EVERY SINGLE ONE stated how surprised they were at Trumps stupidity. Not just his ignorance or narcissism, but he abject STUPIDITY. The REpublicans are now responsible for dealing and supporting someone who is stupider than anyone they have ever met before.

What a load of rubbish.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 10:53am:

[s]The contention that Trump is extremely stupid is pretty easy to prove. Everything he does and says is just so foolish and counter to the advice given him that 'stupidity' is the only excuse. All the trouble he finds himself in - and it is a massive amount of trouble - can be drawn back extremely stupid statement, acts of behaviours. Every single problem he faces is on of his own making and exacerbated by his chronically dreadful decision making. EVERYONE who has anything to do with him complains about how unbelievably stupid he is. Michael Wolf's book states that he interviewed over 100 people and EVERY SINGLE ONE stated how surprised they were at Trumps stupidity. Not just his ignorance or narcissism, but he abject STUPIDITY. The REpublicans are now responsible for dealing and supporting someone who is stupider than anyone they have ever met before.

[/s]
I forgot to strike out the lot, that's annoying.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 10:53am:

The contention that Trump is extremely stupid is pretty easy to prove. Everything he does and says is just so foolish and counter to the advice given him that 'stupidity' is the only excuse. All the trouble he finds himself in - and it is a massive amount of trouble - can be drawn back extremely stupid statement, acts of behaviours. Every single problem he faces is on of his own making and exacerbated by his chronically dreadful decision making. EVERYONE who has anything to do with him complains about how unbelievably stupid he is. Michael Wolf's book states that he interviewed over 100 people and EVERY SINGLE ONE stated how surprised they were at Trumps stupidity. Not just his ignorance or narcissism, but he abject STUPIDITY. The REpublicans are now responsible for dealing and supporting someone who is stupider than anyone they have ever met before.

Yep.

They don't come more stupid than Trump.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 1:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2018 at 10:53am: The contention that Trump is extremely stupid is pretty easy to prove. Everything he does and says is just so foolish and counter to the advice given him that 'stupidity' is the only excuse. All the trouble he finds himself in - and it is a massive amount of trouble - can be drawn back extremely stupid statement, acts of behaviours. Every single problem he faces is on of his own making and exacerbated by his chronically dreadful decision making. EVERYONE who has anything to do with him complains about how unbelievably stupid he is. Michael Wolf's book states that he interviewed over 100 people and EVERY SINGLE ONE stated how surprised they were at Trumps stupidity. Not just his ignorance or narcissism, but he abject STUPIDITY. The REpublicans are now responsible for dealing and supporting someone who is stupider than anyone they have ever met before. Yep. They don't come more stupid than Trump.

Pffft.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 1:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2018 at 10:53am: The contention that Trump is extremely stupid is pretty easy to prove. Everything he does and says is just so foolish and counter to the advice given him that 'stupidity' is the only excuse. All the trouble he finds himself in - and it is a massive amount of trouble - can be drawn back extremely stupid statement, acts of behaviours. Every single problem he faces is on of his own making and exacerbated by his chronically dreadful decision making. EVERYONE who has anything to do with him complains about how unbelievably stupid he is. Michael Wolf's book states that he interviewed over 100 people and EVERY SINGLE ONE stated how surprised they were at Trumps stupidity. Not just his ignorance or narcissism, but he abject STUPIDITY. The REpublicans are now responsible for dealing and supporting someone who is stupider than anyone they have ever met before. Yep. They don't come more stupid than Trump.

I forgot this bit, that's annoying.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 7:01pm:

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/lawrence-trump-may-privately-realize-error-of-putin-call-1191849027522 The scariest thing about Trump is not his terrible nature but rather the fact that he is just SO STUPID.

Unfortunately, its a very appealing stupidity to a great many people. The Republican Party upper echelon are not entirely stupid. They have finally realised that their phony statesmanship, Yale degrees, and sham respectability don't matter to their base voters. (No pun intended)

issuevoter wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 1:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2018 at 7:01pm: http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/lawrence-trump-may-privately-realize-error-of-putin-call-1191849027522 The scariest thing about Trump is not his terrible nature but rather the fact that he is just SO STUPID. Unfortunately, its a very appealing stupidity to a great many people. The Republican Party upper echelon are not entirely stupid. They have finally realised that their phony statesmanship, Yale degrees, and sham respectability don't matter to their base voters. (No pun intended)

But Trumps level of stupidity will backfire on his idiot supporters. He will increase prices, increase taxes, increase unemployment and risk war. Even the one-tooth, married-to-their-sibling clown trumptards might be able to see the disaster as it unfolds around them.