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A woman is believed to have become the first pedestrian killed by a self-driving car, prompting Uber to suspend testing of its autonomous vehicles. Police in a Phoenix suburb said a self-driving vehicle struck and killed the woman overnight Sunday (local time). The vehicle was in autonomous mode with an operator behind the wheel when the accident occurred, Tempe police Sergeant Ronald Elcock said. The woman, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, died of her injuries at a hospital.

:'(

Very sad, but moving forward driver-less cars are the way to go.

Aussie wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:02am:

Link. Quote: A woman is believed to have become the first pedestrian killed by a self-driving car, prompting Uber to suspend testing of its autonomous vehicles. Police in a Phoenix suburb said a self-driving vehicle struck and killed the woman overnight Sunday (local time). The vehicle was in autonomous mode with an operator behind the wheel when the accident occurred, Tempe police Sergeant Ronald Elcock said. The woman, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, died of her injuries at a hospital. :'(

So uber wants to get rid of the actual drivers? That will bugger up a lot of jobs.

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:11am:

Aussie wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 8:02am: Link. Quote: A woman is believed to have become the first pedestrian killed by a self-driving car, prompting Uber to suspend testing of its autonomous vehicles. Police in a Phoenix suburb said a self-driving vehicle struck and killed the woman overnight Sunday (local time). The vehicle was in autonomous mode with an operator behind the wheel when the accident occurred, Tempe police Sergeant Ronald Elcock said. The woman, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, died of her injuries at a hospital. :'( So uber wants to get rid of the actual drivers? That will bugger up a lot of jobs. Spot

Absolutely.  Always has.  It is the only way their business model can work.  However, I doubt the public will buy using any Public Transport thing which is driverless.  Planes can fly themselves now, but the cockpit is still fully crewed.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:11am:

Aussie wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 8:02am: Link. Quote: A woman is believed to have become the first pedestrian killed by a self-driving car, prompting Uber to suspend testing of its autonomous vehicles. Police in a Phoenix suburb said a self-driving vehicle struck and killed the woman overnight Sunday (local time). The vehicle was in autonomous mode with an operator behind the wheel when the accident occurred, Tempe police Sergeant Ronald Elcock said. The woman, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, died of her injuries at a hospital. :'( So uber wants to get rid of the actual drivers? That will bugger up a lot of jobs. Spot

Don't single out Uber. Just about all car manufactures are working on various levels of automation.

My question

These cars are very accurate and track all movement as well as possible collision

How did the woman get in the road of this vehicle?

Did she walked out zombi like from behind another vehicle while playing with he phone?

Pedestrians truly need to get with the programme
Cars should have the right of way on the road
The only exceptions should be where there is a crossing or traffic lights

This crap about pedestrians always having the right of way is insane and only in place so that the grubberment can blame someone to pay for the idiots injuries.

I taught my children and grandchildren to know that the road is a dangerous place and to stay off it
And if you do have to cross it, keep a wary eye out and never assume the driver sees you

Something this pedestrian should have learned
It might just have saved their life.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:11am:

Aussie wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 8:02am: Link. Quote: A woman is believed to have become the first pedestrian killed by a self-driving car, prompting Uber to suspend testing of its autonomous vehicles. Police in a Phoenix suburb said a self-driving vehicle struck and killed the woman overnight Sunday (local time). The vehicle was in autonomous mode with an operator behind the wheel when the accident occurred, Tempe police Sergeant Ronald Elcock said. The woman, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, died of her injuries at a hospital. :'( So uber wants to get rid of the actual drivers? That will bugger up a lot of jobs. Spot

In Malaysia Grab has taken off in a big way and is overtaking Uber. Everyone with a late model car is jumping on the bandwagon and is either doing it full time or part time to supplement their income. The fares are dirt cheap, I mean really dirt cheap and it makes no different if it is one passenger or four passengers, it's the same price. 9RM gets you a fare into the city or about 10km's. That's equivalent of $3 AUD !! Lots of people who didn't have a job now have a job and it's basically decimated the taxi industry. Hardly a taxi in sight now !!

Johnny Cab anyone?
(Not too dissimilar to using your Navcom/Tom Tom, etc)

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Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 10:42am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 8:11am: Aussie wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 8:02am: Link. Quote: A woman is believed to have become the first pedestrian killed by a self-driving car, prompting Uber to suspend testing of its autonomous vehicles. Police in a Phoenix suburb said a self-driving vehicle struck and killed the woman overnight Sunday (local time). The vehicle was in autonomous mode with an operator behind the wheel when the accident occurred, Tempe police Sergeant Ronald Elcock said. The woman, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, died of her injuries at a hospital. :'( So uber wants to get rid of the actual drivers? That will bugger up a lot of jobs. Spot In Malaysia Grab has taken off in a big way and is overtaking Uber. Everyone with a late model car is jumping on the bandwagon and is either doing it full time or part time to supplement their income. The fares are dirt cheap, I mean really dirt cheap and it makes no different if it is one passenger or four passengers, it's the same price. 9RM gets you a fare into the city or about 10km's. That's equivalent of $3 AUD !! Lots of people who didn't have a job now have a job and it's basically decimated the taxi industry. Hardly a taxi in sight now !!

There have been a lot of women sexually and physically assaulted in Grab Cabs.

I must admit - the whole Uber/Grab/etc style of commution is the Godsend of alleviating traffic congestion in the name of
CAR POOLING.
;D

You know 'Cities' have become pretty sad, when things have to be 'Car-Pooled' (and paid for).  ;D ;D ;D

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:15am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 8:11am: Aussie wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 8:02am: Link. Quote: A woman is believed to have become the first pedestrian killed by a self-driving car, prompting Uber to suspend testing of its autonomous vehicles. Police in a Phoenix suburb said a self-driving vehicle struck and killed the woman overnight Sunday (local time). The vehicle was in autonomous mode with an operator behind the wheel when the accident occurred, Tempe police Sergeant Ronald Elcock said. The woman, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, died of her injuries at a hospital. :'( So uber wants to get rid of the actual drivers? That will bugger up a lot of jobs. Spot Don't single out Uber. Just about all car manufactures are working on various levels of automation.

Im not singling out anyone - it was the first i heard of it.

Spot

Aussie wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:14am:

Absolutely.  Always has.  It is the only way their business model can work.  However, I doubt the public will buy using any Public Transport thing which is driverless.  Planes can fly themselves now, but the cockpit is still fully crewed.

The public has 'bought' using them for ages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automated_urban_metro_subway_systems#Grade_of_Automation_4_systems

The new Sydney metro will be driverless too  ;D

Report in today's Courier Mail says that the Car, in self drive mode, was speeding and that the supervising human had a serious criminal record, and seemed very inattentive, looking down and out the window...saw the pedestrian too late.

'Driverless' Goober car in autonomous mode exceeding the speed limit.  Gawd, if they can't get that right......?????

I'll chase a link.

We will just have to counter those killer driverless cars with gigantic mutant killer cats. But... at what cost?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBGyIaSlSXY

Jasin wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 10:48am:

Johnny Cab anyone? (Not too dissimilar to using your Navcom/Tom Tom, etc)

But as you might recall. Johnny Cab went homicidal when Quaid dicked him for the fare.

Aussie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 1:36pm:

'Driverless' Goober car in autonomous mode exceeding the speed limit.  Gawd, if they can't get that right......?????

Well, they certainly haven't perfected the U-turn across double lines without indicating whilst talking on a mobile to pick up a fare in a no stopping zone. Replicating a true taxi takes time.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:11am:

Aussie wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 8:02am: Link. Quote: A woman is believed to have become the first pedestrian killed by a self-driving car, prompting Uber to suspend testing of its autonomous vehicles. Police in a Phoenix suburb said a self-driving vehicle struck and killed the woman overnight Sunday (local time). The vehicle was in autonomous mode with an operator behind the wheel when the accident occurred, Tempe police Sergeant Ronald Elcock said. The woman, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, died of her injuries at a hospital. :'( So uber wants to get rid of the actual drivers? That will bugger up a lot of jobs. Spot

Surely by 'getting rid of actual drivers', they'll be 'getting rid of actual cars'...........Uber drivers use their own vehicles, isn't that the whole concept of the Uber business?

Aussie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 1:36pm:

Report in today's Courier Mail says that the Car, in self drive mode, was speeding and that the supervising human had a serious criminal record, and seemed very inattentive, looking down and out the window...saw the pedestrian too late. 'Driverless' Goober car in autonomous mode exceeding the speed limit.  Gawd, if they can't get that right......????? I'll chase a link.

I'm not sure if that is true. I haven't seen that reported anywhere.

They have reported however that the accident would have been difficult to avoid even if a human was driving



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Tempe Police Chief Sylvia Moir saying: "It's very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode [autonomous or human-driven] based on how she came from the shadows right into the roadway…. I suspect preliminarily it appears that the Uber would likely not be at fault in this accident, either." http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-uber-death-video-20180321-story.html

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:11am:

So uber wants to get rid of the actual drivers? That will bugger up a lot of jobs. Spot

Not just Uber - driverless is coming for a lot of industries. If you drive a truck, taxi or bus and you're under 50, the time to get out is now.

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 10:27am:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2018 at 1:36pm: Report in today's Courier Mail says that the Car, in self drive mode, was speeding and that the supervising human had a serious criminal record, and seemed very inattentive, looking down and out the window...saw the pedestrian too late. 'Driverless' Goober car in autonomous mode exceeding the speed limit.  Gawd, if they can't get that right......????? I'll chase a link. I'm not sure if that is true. I haven't seen that reported anywhere. They have reported however that the accident would have been difficult to avoid even if a human was driving Quote: Tempe Police Chief Sylvia Moir saying: "It's very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode [autonomous or human-driven] based on how she came from the shadows right into the roadway…. I suspect preliminarily it appears that the Uber would likely not be at fault in this accident, either." http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-uber-death-video-20180321-story.html

Link.

Another link.

WARNING:  GRAPHIC IMAGES.

Link.

With the advent of satellite navigation in the late 1970s, and GPS for the US military a little later, there was a rush to embrace an electronic navy, so complete that the US naval acadamy at Annapolis stopped teaching real navigation where the navigator figures out where he is. It was considered obsolete. In 1998, Annapolis started teaching celestial navigation, and chart plotting again. The navy came to the conclusion that it was conceivable that GPS could be shut down.

We cannot even get air bags to work properly, so you can see the vulnerability of driverless cars. Its not that they will not be useful, its just that, like the Victorians with their steam and coal, we are intoxicated with our technological prowess. But what are we going to forget along the way: How to parallel-park? How to do long-division? How to write legibly? How to do anything during a power-cut? I cannot use my telephone if the power goes out. The US Navy recognises the potential for disaster from relying entirely on electronics and vastly complex micro-technologies.

Uber (concept) = Car Pooling (for cash).

You won't catch me in a driverless car.  Bad enough with drivers at the wheel.

issuevoter wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 9:39pm:

With the advent of satellite navigation in the late 1970s, and GPS for the US military a little later, there was a rush to embrace an electronic navy, so complete that the US naval acadamy at Annapolis stopped teaching real navigation where the navigator figures out where he is. It was considered obsolete. In 1998, Annapolis started teaching celestial navigation, and chart plotting again. The navy came to the conclusion that it was conceivable that GPS could be shut down. We cannot even get air bags to work properly, so you can see the vulnerability of driverless cars. Its not that they will not be useful, its just that, like the Victorians with their steam and coal, we are intoxicated with our technological prowess. But what are we going to forget along the way: How to parallel-park? How to do long-division? How to write legibly? How to do anything during a power-cut? I cannot use my telephone if the power goes out. The US Navy recognises the potential for disaster from relying entirely on electronics and vastly complex micro-technologies.

Yeah - the US Air Force figured guns on fighters were obsolete, too, until they tangled with MiGs over Vietnam... now every US fighter has guns.

Stupid is as stupid does - WHEN the magic system breaks down how are these Navy boys going to navigate?  By Braille?  Oops - there's another rock.... back up ... oops.... a headland!.. damn.... try going sideways.... ummm.... buggar .... why is that harbour boat telling us to get out of Shanghai?  Aren't we in San Diego?  Tell 'em the US Navy backs down to nobody... oh.. he says there's a huge rock shelf ten feet in front of us.... ouch....

On the subject of everything automatic:-

They'd need to install cranes at every parking spot to get Fat Steve out of his vehicle for his daily intake of fifty Macca's products....

Aussie wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:02am:

Link. Quote: A woman is believed to have become the first pedestrian killed by a self-driving car, prompting Uber to suspend testing of its autonomous vehicles. Police in a Phoenix suburb said a self-driving vehicle struck and killed the woman overnight Sunday (local time). The vehicle was in autonomous mode with an operator behind the wheel when the accident occurred, Tempe police Sergeant Ronald Elcock said. The woman, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, died of her injuries at a hospital. :'(

I don't use the autopark there is no way I would let some computer drive me down the freeway at 100klm/h during peak hour well its peak hour most hours of the day these days.

Sad about the woman.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 24^th, 2018 at 8:50am:

You won't catch me in a driverless car.  Bad enough with drivers at the wheel.

issuevoter wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 9:39pm:

We cannot even get air bags to work properly, so you can see the vulnerability of driverless cars.

Driverless cars don't have to be perfect. They just have to be better than human drivers.

The Australian annual road toll is currently 1,200 people. This is down from over 3,500 people in the 70s (when there were much fewer cars on the road).

If driverless cars could reduce the road toll to say 500 per annum then surely this would be a sound argument for their use.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 10:50am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 10:42am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 8:11am: Aussie wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 8:02am: Link. Quote: A woman is believed to have become the first pedestrian killed by a self-driving car, prompting Uber to suspend testing of its autonomous vehicles. Police in a Phoenix suburb said a self-driving vehicle struck and killed the woman overnight Sunday (local time). The vehicle was in autonomous mode with an operator behind the wheel when the accident occurred, Tempe police Sergeant Ronald Elcock said. The woman, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, died of her injuries at a hospital. :'( So uber wants to get rid of the actual drivers? That will bugger up a lot of jobs. Spot In Malaysia Grab has taken off in a big way and is overtaking Uber. Everyone with a late model car is jumping on the bandwagon and is either doing it full time or part time to supplement their income. The fares are dirt cheap, I mean really dirt cheap and it makes no different if it is one passenger or four passengers, it's the same price. 9RM gets you a fare into the city or about 10km's. That's equivalent of $3 AUD !! Lots of people who didn't have a job now have a job and it's basically decimated the taxi industry. Hardly a taxi in sight now !! There have been a lot of women sexually and physically assaulted in Grab Cabs.

That would have been by the Filipino trailer trash they have so much trouble with over here. We have had quite a few female Grab drivers and one said she would not do it at night because of the drunken Filipinos :(

Irrespective of whether you like the automated functions, or use them in your car and  irrespective of whether you agree with the Uber economic model, most of you who drive, will be on the road with automated, driverless vehicles in the near future.

This has implications. Where, for example is blame ascribed when accidents occur between a driver controlled and an automated car? What will this do to insurance claims, premiums and ratings?

Should the disabled, who currently don't drive due to their conditions, be allowed to use an automated car? If yes, how should that car be licenced?

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 24^th, 2018 at 9:33am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 8:50am: You won't catch me in a driverless car.  Bad enough with drivers at the wheel. issuevoter wrote on Mar 23rd, 2018 at 9:39pm: We cannot even get air bags to work properly, so you can see the vulnerability of driverless cars. Driverless cars don't have to be perfect. They just have to be better than human drivers. The Australian annual road toll is currently 1,200 people. This is down from over 3,500 people in the 70s (when there were much fewer cars on the road). If driverless cars could reduce the road toll to say 500 per annum then surely this would be a sound argument for their use.

How does anyone know it will work that way?  Why exactly would driverless cars reduce the road toll?

The things can't even stay inside a speed limit!

Personally, I say that every 'city' person has to have their vehicle 'registered' to be surrounded by heavy Rubber like a 'Bumper Car'.

Oh what 'fun' it would be driving in the city again!  :D ;D

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 24^th, 2018 at 1:23pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 9:33am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 8:50am: You won't catch me in a driverless car.  Bad enough with drivers at the wheel. issuevoter wrote on Mar 23rd, 2018 at 9:39pm: We cannot even get air bags to work properly, so you can see the vulnerability of driverless cars. Driverless cars don't have to be perfect. They just have to be better than human drivers. The Australian annual road toll is currently 1,200 people. This is down from over 3,500 people in the 70s (when there were much fewer cars on the road). If driverless cars could reduce the road toll to say 500 per annum then surely this would be a sound argument for their use. How does anyone know it will work that way?  Why exactly would driverless cars reduce the road toll?

they know because after a fatal crash of a Telsa in autopilot mode the US Federal Highway bureau did a study where they not only absolved tesla of the blame for the crash, but concluded that cars running in autopilot were 40% safer than those where a human was in command.

http://bgr.com/2017/01/19/tesla-autopilot-crash-safety-statistics-report-nhtsa/

Essentially, automated driving will impact vehicle safety the same way that the introduction of seat belts did. Anyone who thinks that governments will baulk at automation in the face of those kinds of figures is kidding themselves.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 24^th, 2018 at 8:55am:

issuevoter wrote on Mar 23rd, 2018 at 9:39pm: With the advent of satellite navigation in the late 1970s, and GPS for the US military a little later, there was a rush to embrace an electronic navy, so complete that the US naval acadamy at Annapolis stopped teaching real navigation where the navigator figures out where he is. It was considered obsolete. In 1998, Annapolis started teaching celestial navigation, and chart plotting again. The navy came to the conclusion that it was conceivable that GPS could be shut down. We cannot even get air bags to work properly, so you can see the vulnerability of driverless cars. Its not that they will not be useful, its just that, like the Victorians with their steam and coal, we are intoxicated with our technological prowess. But what are we going to forget along the way: How to parallel-park? How to do long-division? How to write legibly? How to do anything during a power-cut? I cannot use my telephone if the power goes out. The US Navy recognises the potential for disaster from relying entirely on electronics and vastly complex micro-technologies. Yeah - the US Air Force figured guns on fighters were obsolete, too, until they tangled with MiGs over Vietnam... now every US fighter has guns.

That was because missiles in those days were primitive and required you to be within very strict flight parameters to fire at an enemy. there were also visual engagement rules operating in Vietnam.

Missiles these days don't have those problems, and can be fired in almost any aspect including head-on. Indeed, missiles are so good now that the USAF is seriously looking at using B-52s to carry massive payloads of air-to-air missiles which would be controlled and fired via links to stealth fighters like the F22 and F35 flying ahead of them.

They'll keep cannons for some time, but only as weapons of absolute last resort.

Looks like Uber has been lying yet again.  Remember the very dark scene of this incident when the dash cam video was first released?  Now have another look at the truth.  Videos in the Article:

Link.

Just thought i'd let you know that Grab has bought out Uber in Sth East Asia ;) Grab is kicking goals !!. The fares are unreal and people who didn't have a job before can be their own boss. Even lawyers and Doctors are doing Grab part-time on the side because their jobs are sh.t and they need more excitement. No need for driverless cars at these rates ;)

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 26^th, 2018 at 2:46pm:

Just thought i'd let you know that Grab has bought out Uber in Sth East Asia ;) Grab is kicking goals !!. The fares are unreal and people who didn't have a job before can be their own boss. Even lawyers and Doctors are doing Grab part-time on the side because their jobs are sh.t and they need more excitement. No need for driverless cars at these rates ;)

Grab, Goober, Lyft.....all business models with short term impact because they are cheap (hence the model fails) long term losses and no future.....without driverless cars

Think I will stick with my local Elite Cabs that owners have paid good money for not some shonkey mob!

Aussie wrote on Mar 26^th, 2018 at 2:52pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 2:46pm: Just thought i'd let you know that Grab has bought out Uber in Sth East Asia ;) Grab is kicking goals !!. The fares are unreal and people who didn't have a job before can be their own boss. Even lawyers and Doctors are doing Grab part-time on the side because their jobs are sh.t and they need more excitement. No need for driverless cars at these rates ;) Grab, Goober, Lyft.....all business models with short term impact because they are cheap (hence the model fails) long term losses and no future.....without driverless cars

Wishful thinking. Grab has literally decimated the Taxi industry in Malaysia overnight. I have seen it with my own eyes. Taxi drivers waiting for fares whilst late model cars roll up to take people away for a fraction of the price that taxis were charging. This business model will never fail. Grab has thought this through and it's very clever which is why it has gained popularity. Not only that it's the same fare no matter how many passengers !!

Grab owns no cars and the drivers are taking most of the risk whilst Grab takes a 20% cut of each fare. It's money for old rope and Grab is laughing all of the way to the bank. Who cares about driverless cars when you can utilize a pool of drivers and cars you don't have to pay for !!

Aussie wrote on Mar 26^th, 2018 at 2:52pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 2:46pm: Just thought i'd let you know that Grab has bought out Uber in Sth East Asia ;) Grab is kicking goals !!. The fares are unreal and people who didn't have a job before can be their own boss. Even lawyers and Doctors are doing Grab part-time on the side because their jobs are sh.t and they need more excitement. No need for driverless cars at these rates ;) Grab, Goober, Lyft.....all business models with short term impact because they are cheap (hence the model fails) long term losses and no future.....without driverless cars

Ride share is cheaper than taxis because they're not paying some rent seeker $400k for the plate. Even if you include insurance, fitout and all the other things that are included in the running cost of a cab - the ride-share model always comes out cheaper.

The taxi industry in its current form is dying, and that's before driverless comes onto the scene and kills it stone cold dead.

I'd be interested to know how a driverless vehicle would navigate while towing my boat?

And getting the boat down the boat ramp and recovering it again would also be quite interesting.

But from the way some vegitable attempt to launch and retrieve their boats, it couldn't be much worse.

Valkie wrote on Mar 27^th, 2018 at 4:47pm:

I'd be interested to know how a driverless vehicle would navigate while towing my boat? And getting the boat down the boat ramp and recovering it again would also be quite interesting. But from the way some vegitable attempt to launch and retrieve their boats, it couldn't be much worse.

Ita fairly common for modern cars to have anti-sway control for when towing, which while not driverless is essentially the cars computer controlling the car to stop a trailer from swaying about and causing loss of control.

It's not much of a jump from there to driverless with those features enabled.

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 26^th, 2018 at 3:45pm:

Think I will stick with my local Elite Cabs that owners have paid good money for not some shonkey mob!

It cost us $140 AUD to take three people to Melbourne airport in a minibus. That is equivalent to RM 450 in malaysian dollars. All 30 grab trips we took in Malaysia didn't even come to half that amount !!

You stick to your elite cab. You are being ripped off blind by a system that is used to ripping everyone off.

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 11:13am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 3:45pm: Think I will stick with my local Elite Cabs that owners have paid good money for not some shonkey mob! It cost us $140 AUD to take three people to Melbourne airport in a minibus. That is equivalent to RM 450 in malaysian dollars. All 30 grab trips we took in Malaysia didn't even come to half that amount !! You stick to your elite cab. You are being ripped off blind by a system that is used to ripping everyone off.

And the cost of a chicken curry there compared to the cost of one here is.......?????

Valkie wrote on Mar 27^th, 2018 at 4:47pm:

I'd be interested to know how a driverless vehicle would navigate while towing my boat? And getting the boat down the boat ramp and recovering it again would also be quite interesting. But from the way some vegitable attempt to launch and retrieve their boats, it couldn't be much worse.

Your last attempt didn't go all that well, did it Valkie?


https://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/0/431/7777/68073805/boot-zu-wasser-lassen-113642715732413477.jpg

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 11:13am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 3:45pm: Think I will stick with my local Elite Cabs that owners have paid good money for not some shonkey mob! It cost us $140 AUD to take three people to Melbourne airport in a minibus. That is equivalent to RM 450 in malaysian dollars. All 30 grab trips we took in Malaysia didn't even come to half that amount !! You stick to your elite cab. You are being ripped off blind by a system that is used to ripping everyone off.

It costs me more to get a cab from the airport to the start of Southern Cross drive than it does to take the longest possible taxi trip in Singapore. All in a car that is at least as modern and usually cleaner than cabs in Sydney.

What about telling us some other comparative costs?

Stig wrote on Mar 29^th, 2018 at 10:51am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 11:13am: Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 3:45pm: Think I will stick with my local Elite Cabs that owners have paid good money for not some shonkey mob! It cost us $140 AUD to take three people to Melbourne airport in a minibus. That is equivalent to RM 450 in malaysian dollars. All 30 grab trips we took in Malaysia didn't even come to half that amount !! You stick to your elite cab. You are being ripped off blind by a system that is used to ripping everyone off. It costs me more to get a cab from the airport to the start of Southern Cross drive than it does to take the longest possible taxi trip in Singapore. All in a car that is at least as modern and usually cleaner than cabs in Sydney.

Yes all of the Grab cars were at least 5 years old. They have access to all of the rego records so they know how old the cars are. No old cars in the fleet they didn't have to pay for ;) By comparison the taxis lined up consisted of smelly old clapped out Proton Wira cars more than 10 years old :D LOL

Aussie wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 11:18am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 11:13am: Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 3:45pm: Think I will stick with my local Elite Cabs that owners have paid good money for not some shonkey mob! It cost us $140 AUD to take three people to Melbourne airport in a minibus. That is equivalent to RM 450 in malaysian dollars. All 30 grab trips we took in Malaysia didn't even come to half that amount !! You stick to your elite cab. You are being ripped off blind by a system that is used to ripping everyone off. And the cost of a chicken curry there compared to the cost of one here is.......?????

Again food is dirt cheap compared to Australia ;)

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:10am:

Very sad, but moving forward driver-less cars are the way to go.

Bulldust mate: there's no point having cars if you can't go where you want!

next time cods offers you metho JUST SAY NO!

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:11am:

Aussie wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 8:02am: Link. Quote: A woman is believed to have become the first pedestrian killed by a self-driving car, prompting Uber to suspend testing of its autonomous vehicles. Police in a Phoenix suburb said a self-driving vehicle struck and killed the woman overnight Sunday (local time). The vehicle was in autonomous mode with an operator behind the wheel when the accident occurred, Tempe police Sergeant Ronald Elcock said. The woman, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, died of her injuries at a hospital. :'( So uber wants to get rid of the actual drivers? That will bugger up a lot of jobs. Spot

The stockmarket is a terrible beast!

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:15am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 8:11am: Aussie wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 8:02am: Link. Quote: A woman is believed to have become the first pedestrian killed by a self-driving car, prompting Uber to suspend testing of its autonomous vehicles. Police in a Phoenix suburb said a self-driving vehicle struck and killed the woman overnight Sunday (local time). The vehicle was in autonomous mode with an operator behind the wheel when the accident occurred, Tempe police Sergeant Ronald Elcock said. The woman, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, died of her injuries at a hospital. :'( So uber wants to get rid of the actual drivers? That will bugger up a lot of jobs. Spot Don't single out Uber. Just about all car manufactures are working on various levels of automation.

Yes, but cars themselves will disappear if they try and push for full automation: what's the point having different cars if they no longer represent you. Once they go full auto what is to stop them being shared.... the money will disappear from the industry as most of it's a fashion statement!

What's a house: the average persons most expensive fashion statement. The car is the second most!

Don't be thinking this is a hop-skip and a jump... anyone that says otherwise is a friggin' comedian!

Valkie wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:46am:

My question These cars are very accurate and track all movement as well as possible collision How did the woman get in the road of this vehicle? Did she walked out zombi like from behind another vehicle while playing with he phone? Pedestrians truly need to get with the programme Cars should have the right of way on the road The only exceptions should be where there is a crossing or traffic lights This crap about pedestrians always having the right of way is insane and only in place so that the grubberment can blame someone to pay for the idiots injuries. I taught my children and grandchildren to know that the road is a dangerous place and to stay off it And if you do have to cross it, keep a wary eye out and never assume the driver sees you Something this pedestrian should have learned It might just have saved their life.

On backstreets don't pedestrians have right of way?

This will have to change with automatic cars, surely??!!??

Go the stockmarket and pathological dreams of exponential profit!

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 10:42am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 8:11am: Aussie wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 8:02am: Link. Quote: A woman is believed to have become the first pedestrian killed by a self-driving car, prompting Uber to suspend testing of its autonomous vehicles. Police in a Phoenix suburb said a self-driving vehicle struck and killed the woman overnight Sunday (local time). The vehicle was in autonomous mode with an operator behind the wheel when the accident occurred, Tempe police Sergeant Ronald Elcock said. The woman, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, died of her injuries at a hospital. :'( So uber wants to get rid of the actual drivers? That will bugger up a lot of jobs. Spot In Malaysia Grab has taken off in a big way and is overtaking Uber. Everyone with a late model car is jumping on the bandwagon and is either doing it full time or part time to supplement their income. The fares are dirt cheap, I mean really dirt cheap and it makes no different if it is one passenger or four passengers, it's the same price. 9RM gets you a fare into the city or about 10km's. That's equivalent of $3 AUD !! Lots of people who didn't have a job now have a job and it's basically decimated the taxi industry. Hardly a taxi in sight now !!

How much do cars cost over there?

Surely the same problem of drivers not getting paid enough for the wear and tear on their vehicle will have to kick in?

:o

Tesla's turn.

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A Tesla vehicle was on Autopilot when it crashed in California last month, killing the driver, the company has confirmed. It becomes the latest accident involving a self-driving vehicle after a pedestrian was hit and killed by a car being tested by Uber in Arizona last month. Tesla said the driver, who was killed in the accident in Mountain View in California's Silicon Valley, did not have his hands on the steering wheel for six seconds before the crash, despite several warnings from the vehicle.