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Message started by mantra on Mar 8th, 2018 at 6:02am

Title: Free speech stifled
Post by mantra on Mar 8th, 2018 at 6:02am
A few people here get away with so much. I don't post often simply because some members are liked - others aren't and if you fall into the latter basket - you don't have a chance of making a difference.

You have to be so careful about how you use your words. No matter how much you try and condense them - a few simple words seem to upset some people. You don't have to swear, use obscenities or personally abuse people - just the mere thought that there might be a hint of critisism in your post is enough to send those people with influence off to the admin or Gmods with a complaint.

Feedback has become a farce. There are no real compaints there about any serious problems with this site.  The people who predominantly post there have been regularly banned and then of course there are the socks who can post there with impunity and continually post about trivial issues. Why is that?

Is Ozpolitic only a message board as Lisa Jones used to proclaim persistently? Is Feedback now only for the disgruntled who personally don't like another member regardless of their own rocky history here? It's sad to see some of the basic principles of this board change to accommodate a minority with influence.

If I've offended anyone - my sincerest apologies. It wasn't intentional.

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by bogarde73 on Mar 8th, 2018 at 7:08am
But why worry if you don't make a difference?
Is it not sufficient unto the day that you get it off your chest?

Who makes a difference anywhere? The river of history flows on imperturbably to its ultimate destination.
Take joy in your opportunity to witness it, to occasionally have gratitude for where it sometimes passes, to be intrigued by its relentless ebb & flow, for it is influenced by very few and even then only fleetingly.

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by cods on Mar 8th, 2018 at 7:34am
boges  this isnt a river1   its a very small insulated island if you like...and the .. "heavies"  are taking control...well thats how one or two females feel anyway..

you for instance appear to be suggesting mantra suck it up?....

no comment about the ones that torment or put others down... ::) ::)

when you are in a small society   its the bullies that need to be controlled....yet somehow it seems to work  the other way round......

:(.. in the past mantra has felt more than a little intimidated at ozpol.... that should be to our shame......

and yes I would say mantra would like to make a difference....

she has always cared very much about ozpol...for some its our communication with the outside world...when we are trapped at home...

and to see it deteriorate down hill  is sad.......

you may not notice it decaying boges.....but it is!

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Mar 8th, 2018 at 7:34am
I have been away a while and it seems to me that its a lot better than it used to be

Spot

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by .JaSin. on Mar 8th, 2018 at 8:57am

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 7:34am:
boges  this isnt a river1   its a very small insulated island if you like...and the .. "heavies"  are taking control...well thats how one or two females feel anyway..

you for instance appear to be suggesting mantra suck it up?....

no comment about the ones that torment or put others down... ::) ::)

when you are in a small society   its the bullies that need to be controlled....yet somehow it seems to work  the other way round......

:(.. in the past mantra has felt more than a little intimidated at ozpol.... that should be to our shame......

and yes I would say mantra would like to make a difference....

she has always cared very much about ozpol...for some its our communication with the outside world...when we are trapped at home...

and to see it deteriorate down hill  is sad.......

you may not notice it decaying boges.....but it is!


I don't hear Mothra having a cry, when you all 'ganged up on her' here  :-? (that includes you Codswollop). Even over in Monk's place, she doesn't fall to the ground injured playing the 'female card' regarding being banned from here (because you all cried to FD/VIC about her).

Christ. Give it a rest Cods. You're crying a river!

Yeah - Spot of Borg. Welcome back. It's a lot better now that you're here again.  ;D

Spot.

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by cods on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:15am

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 8:57am:

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 7:34am:
boges  this isnt a river1   its a very small insulated island if you like...and the .. "heavies"  are taking control...well thats how one or two females feel anyway..

you for instance appear to be suggesting mantra suck it up?....

no comment about the ones that torment or put others down... ::) ::)

when you are in a small society   its the bullies that need to be controlled....yet somehow it seems to work  the other way round......

:(.. in the past mantra has felt more than a little intimidated at ozpol.... that should be to our shame......

and yes I would say mantra would like to make a difference....

she has always cared very much about ozpol...for some its our communication with the outside world...when we are trapped at home...

and to see it deteriorate down hill  is sad.......

you may not notice it decaying boges.....but it is!


I don't hear Mothra having a cry, when you all 'ganged up on her' here  :-? (that includes you Codswollop). Even over in Monk's place, she doesn't fall to the ground injured playing the 'female card' regarding being banned from here (because you all cried to FD/VIC about her).

Christ. Give it a rest Cods. You're crying a river!

Yeah - Spot of Borg. Welcome back. It's a lot better now that you're here again.  ;D

Spot.



maybe you werent here in those halcyon days jasin...when all was sweet and fuzzy...

so glad you have bonded with mothra....you do seem to have problems with most females....so its good to here at long last....there is one female  you dont hate .. I am sure mothra will love you even more.....


then again maybe it is your agenda to rid ozpol of its female membership????....you certainly gripe about them enough...how about you giving that a REST?.. :) :)

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by .JaSin. on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:29am

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:15am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 8:57am:

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 7:34am:
boges  this isnt a river1   its a very small insulated island if you like...and the .. "heavies"  are taking control...well thats how one or two females feel anyway..

you for instance appear to be suggesting mantra suck it up?....

no comment about the ones that torment or put others down... ::) ::)

when you are in a small society   its the bullies that need to be controlled....yet somehow it seems to work  the other way round......

:(.. in the past mantra has felt more than a little intimidated at ozpol.... that should be to our shame......

and yes I would say mantra would like to make a difference....

she has always cared very much about ozpol...for some its our communication with the outside world...when we are trapped at home...

and to see it deteriorate down hill  is sad.......

you may not notice it decaying boges.....but it is!


I don't hear Mothra having a cry, when you all 'ganged up on her' here  :-? (that includes you Codswollop). Even over in Monk's place, she doesn't fall to the ground injured playing the 'female card' regarding being banned from here (because you all cried to FD/VIC about her).

Christ. Give it a rest Cods. You're crying a river!

Yeah - Spot of Borg. Welcome back. It's a lot better now that you're here again.  ;D

Spot.



maybe you werent here in those halcyon days jasin...when all was sweet and fuzzy...

so glad you have bonded with mothra....you do seem to have problems with most females....so its good to here at long last....there is one female  you dont hate .. I am sure mothra will love you even more.....


then again maybe it is your agenda to rid ozpol of its female membership????....you certainly gripe about them enough...how about you giving that a REST?.. :) :)


There you go again. Presuming everything (against you).
Mothra & I hardly converse, if not at all. We don't get on, but we don't get off on fighting either. I leave her be, etc.

Maybe your presumption is your usual attempt to 'divide' like Pink Floyd's "Us & Them." ?

I'm not trying to rid OzPol of women (even though the majority of females here, prefer to hang out over at Black Orchid's PA Forum where they can hide in their little 'secret rooms' that you covert so much.
I don't have a problem with Mantra and get on appropriately.
I get on with Emma.
I get on with Nom.
I had no problem with Mellie.
I had no problem with Annie until she perm banned me to stop the rot in the good friendship with FreeDumb - before it got worse. It was the right move. I don't hold a grudge against Annie because of that.
I have no problem with Marla or Miranda.

So as you can see - you still, like Agnes - try to manipulate a 'Me V Females'.
You obviously work for 'numbers' and thus try to manipulate the idea that I'm against 'all women' so you can drum up support from other women with an instant excuse.

Real shocking behaviour for a woman. Especially on a day like today. I love women. I have good female friends both single and married, career orientated and caring for kids.
I did Nursing, I saw how hard women can work.

No. Don't try to convince others that I'm a woman hater (like Agnes once did, as Lisa would love to do too).
You're on your own here Cods.
Time to own it.

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by cods on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:55am

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:29am:

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:15am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 8:57am:

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 7:34am:
boges  this isnt a river1   its a very small insulated island if you like...and the .. "heavies"  are taking control...well thats how one or two females feel anyway..

you for instance appear to be suggesting mantra suck it up?....

no comment about the ones that torment or put others down... ::) ::)

when you are in a small society   its the bullies that need to be controlled....yet somehow it seems to work  the other way round......

:(.. in the past mantra has felt more than a little intimidated at ozpol.... that should be to our shame......

and yes I would say mantra would like to make a difference....

she has always cared very much about ozpol...for some its our communication with the outside world...when we are trapped at home...

and to see it deteriorate down hill  is sad.......

you may not notice it decaying boges.....but it is!


I don't hear Mothra having a cry, when you all 'ganged up on her' here  :-? (that includes you Codswollop). Even over in Monk's place, she doesn't fall to the ground injured playing the 'female card' regarding being banned from here (because you all cried to FD/VIC about her).

Christ. Give it a rest Cods. You're crying a river!

Yeah - Spot of Borg. Welcome back. It's a lot better now that you're here again.  ;D

Spot.



maybe you werent here in those halcyon days jasin...when all was sweet and fuzzy...

so glad you have bonded with mothra....you do seem to have problems with most females....so its good to here at long last....there is one female  you dont hate .. I am sure mothra will love you even more.....


then again maybe it is your agenda to rid ozpol of its female membership????....you certainly gripe about them enough...how about you giving that a REST?.. :) :)


There you go again. Presuming everything (against you).
Mothra & I hardly converse, if not at all. We don't get on, but we don't get off on fighting either. I leave her be, etc.

Maybe your presumption is your usual attempt to 'divide' like Pink Floyd's "Us & Them." ?

I'm not trying to rid OzPol of women (even though the majority of females here, prefer to hang out over at Black Orchid's PA Forum where they can hide in their little 'secret rooms' that you covert so much.
I don't have a problem with Mantra and get on appropriately.
I get on with Emma.
I get on with Nom.
I had no problem with Mellie.
I had no problem with Annie until she perm banned me to stop the rot in the good friendship with FreeDumb - before it got worse. It was the right move. I don't hold a grudge against Annie because of that.
I have no problem with Marla or Miranda.

So as you can see - you still, like Agnes - try to manipulate a 'Me V Females'.
You obviously work for 'numbers' and thus try to manipulate the idea that I'm against 'all women' so you can drum up support from other women with an instant excuse.

Real shocking behaviour for a woman. Especially on a day like today. I love women. I have good female friends both single and married, career orientated and caring for kids.
I did Nursing, I saw how hard women can work.

No. Don't try to convince others that I'm a woman hater (like Agnes once did, as Lisa would love to do too).
You're on your own here Cods.
Time to own it.



you apparently dont read yourself or vulcan....may I suggest you do?...as it is I think you will find I rarely reply to yourself and or mothra...... and I never talk about you to others....so where all this comes from I have no idea...

I go by what I read when you attack ozpol or ozpol members.... who happen to be PA members..either as jasin or vulcan...and you never let up....PA women!  all what 4 of then that post regular???... ::) ::) you are paranoid by them....and bless your heart you are one of the least talked about....... :) :)

no need to worry pet   you are way down the pecking order ;) if there at all!

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by .JaSin. on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:05am

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:55am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:29am:

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:15am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 8:57am:

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 7:34am:
boges  this isnt a river1   its a very small insulated island if you like...and the .. "heavies"  are taking control...well thats how one or two females feel anyway..

you for instance appear to be suggesting mantra suck it up?....

no comment about the ones that torment or put others down... ::) ::)

when you are in a small society   its the bullies that need to be controlled....yet somehow it seems to work  the other way round......

:(.. in the past mantra has felt more than a little intimidated at ozpol.... that should be to our shame......

and yes I would say mantra would like to make a difference....

she has always cared very much about ozpol...for some its our communication with the outside world...when we are trapped at home...

and to see it deteriorate down hill  is sad.......

you may not notice it decaying boges.....but it is!


I don't hear Mothra having a cry, when you all 'ganged up on her' here  :-? (that includes you Codswollop). Even over in Monk's place, she doesn't fall to the ground injured playing the 'female card' regarding being banned from here (because you all cried to FD/VIC about her).

Christ. Give it a rest Cods. You're crying a river!

Yeah - Spot of Borg. Welcome back. It's a lot better now that you're here again.  ;D

Spot.



maybe you werent here in those halcyon days jasin...when all was sweet and fuzzy...

so glad you have bonded with mothra....you do seem to have problems with most females....so its good to here at long last....there is one female  you dont hate .. I am sure mothra will love you even more.....


then again maybe it is your agenda to rid ozpol of its female membership????....you certainly gripe about them enough...how about you giving that a REST?.. :) :)


There you go again. Presuming everything (against you).
Mothra & I hardly converse, if not at all. We don't get on, but we don't get off on fighting either. I leave her be, etc.

Maybe your presumption is your usual attempt to 'divide' like Pink Floyd's "Us & Them." ?

I'm not trying to rid OzPol of women (even though the majority of females here, prefer to hang out over at Black Orchid's PA Forum where they can hide in their little 'secret rooms' that you covert so much.
I don't have a problem with Mantra and get on appropriately.
I get on with Emma.
I get on with Nom.
I had no problem with Mellie.
I had no problem with Annie until she perm banned me to stop the rot in the good friendship with FreeDumb - before it got worse. It was the right move. I don't hold a grudge against Annie because of that.
I have no problem with Marla or Miranda.

So as you can see - you still, like Agnes - try to manipulate a 'Me V Females'.
You obviously work for 'numbers' and thus try to manipulate the idea that I'm against 'all women' so you can drum up support from other women with an instant excuse.

Real shocking behaviour for a woman. Especially on a day like today. I love women. I have good female friends both single and married, career orientated and caring for kids.
I did Nursing, I saw how hard women can work.

No. Don't try to convince others that I'm a woman hater (like Agnes once did, as Lisa would love to do too).
You're on your own here Cods.
Time to own it.



you apparently dont read yourself or vulcan....may I suggest you do?...as it is I think you will find I rarely reply to yourself and or mothra...... and I never talk about you to others....so where all this comes from I have no idea...

I go by what I read when you attack ozpol or ozpol members.... who happen to be PA members..either as jasin or vulcan...and you never let up....PA women!  all what 4 of then that post regular???... ::) ::) you are paranoid by them....and bless your heart you are one of the least talked about....... :) :)

no need to worry pet   you are way down the pecking order ;) if there at all!


Attack OzPol?
Says the person who posted a Topic saying "OzPol is dying" or something to that degree? Everyone knows I'm Pro-OzPol and that's why I posted a PRO-OzPol topic against yours.
Everyone knows I've been banned often for opposing not just Monk's PA Forumers, but Black Orchids as well (like yourself).

If I get frustrated with FD, its because he shows bias towards Black Orchid PA and members - besides just against Monk's PA and members, but against OzPol 'only' members too.

You obviously don't 'read me' at all Codswollop.
I've lived a life 'at the bottom of the list' - I wouldn't give a hoot if you talk about me over at your PA forum or not.
Maybe that's why I get under all your skins? - because I having nothing to lose.

Sniffing around Monk's PA like Agnes & Bobby have you?
Can't leave them alone as usual.
::)


Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by Agnes on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:17am

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:05am:

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:55am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:29am:

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:15am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 8:57am:

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 7:34am:
boges  this isnt a river1   its a very small insulated island if you like...and the .. "heavies"  are taking control...well thats how one or two females feel anyway..

you for instance appear to be suggesting mantra suck it up?....

no comment about the ones that torment or put others down... ::) ::)

when you are in a small society   its the bullies that need to be controlled....yet somehow it seems to work  the other way round......

:(.. in the past mantra has felt more than a little intimidated at ozpol.... that should be to our shame......

and yes I would say mantra would like to make a difference....

she has always cared very much about ozpol...for some its our communication with the outside world...when we are trapped at home...

and to see it deteriorate down hill  is sad.......

you may not notice it decaying boges.....but it is!


I don't hear Mothra having a cry, when you all 'ganged up on her' here  :-? (that includes you Codswollop). Even over in Monk's place, she doesn't fall to the ground injured playing the 'female card' regarding being banned from here (because you all cried to FD/VIC about her).

Christ. Give it a rest Cods. You're crying a river!

Yeah - Spot of Borg. Welcome back. It's a lot better now that you're here again.  ;D

Spot.



maybe you werent here in those halcyon days jasin...when all was sweet and fuzzy...

so glad you have bonded with mothra....you do seem to have problems with most females....so its good to here at long last....there is one female  you dont hate .. I am sure mothra will love you even more.....


then again maybe it is your agenda to rid ozpol of its female membership????....you certainly gripe about them enough...how about you giving that a REST?.. :) :)


There you go again. Presuming everything (against you).
Mothra & I hardly converse, if not at all. We don't get on, but we don't get off on fighting either. I leave her be, etc.

Maybe your presumption is your usual attempt to 'divide' like Pink Floyd's "Us & Them." ?

I'm not trying to rid OzPol of women (even though the majority of females here, prefer to hang out over at Black Orchid's PA Forum where they can hide in their little 'secret rooms' that you covert so much.
I don't have a problem with Mantra and get on appropriately.
I get on with Emma.
I get on with Nom.
I had no problem with Mellie.
I had no problem with Annie until she perm banned me to stop the rot in the good friendship with FreeDumb - before it got worse. It was the right move. I don't hold a grudge against Annie because of that.
I have no problem with Marla or Miranda.

So as you can see - you still, like Agnes - try to manipulate a 'Me V Females'.
You obviously work for 'numbers' and thus try to manipulate the idea that I'm against 'all women' so you can drum up support from other women with an instant excuse.

Real shocking behaviour for a woman. Especially on a day like today. I love women. I have good female friends both single and married, career orientated and caring for kids.
I did Nursing, I saw how hard women can work.

No. Don't try to convince others that I'm a woman hater (like Agnes once did, as Lisa would love to do too).
You're on your own here Cods.
Time to own it.



you apparently dont read yourself or vulcan....may I suggest you do?...as it is I think you will find I rarely reply to yourself and or mothra...... and I never talk about you to others....so where all this comes from I have no idea...

I go by what I read when you attack ozpol or ozpol members.... who happen to be PA members..either as jasin or vulcan...and you never let up....PA women!  all what 4 of then that post regular???... ::) ::) you are paranoid by them....and bless your heart you are one of the least talked about....... :) :)

no need to worry pet   you are way down the pecking order ;) if there at all!


Attack OzPol?
Says the person who posted a Topic saying "OzPol is dying" or something to that degree? Everyone knows I'm Pro-OzPol and that's why I posted a PRO-OzPol topic against yours.
Everyone knows I've been banned often for opposing not just Monk's PA Forumers, but Black Orchids as well (like yourself).

If I get frustrated with FD, its because he shows bias towards Black Orchid PA and members - besides just against Monk's PA and members, but against OzPol 'only' members too.

You obviously don't 'read me' at all Codswollop.
I've lived a life 'at the bottom of the list' - I wouldn't give a hoot if you talk about me over at your PA forum or not.
Maybe that's why I get under all your skins? - because I having nothing to lose.

Sniffing around Monk's PA like Agnes & Bobby have you?
Can't leave them alone as usual.
::)

That is so funny  Mellie we only ever say the nicest kindest things about you dear   :'( :'(

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by .JaSin. on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:19am

Agnes wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:17am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:05am:

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:55am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:29am:

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:15am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 8:57am:

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 7:34am:
boges  this isnt a river1   its a very small insulated island if you like...and the .. "heavies"  are taking control...well thats how one or two females feel anyway..

you for instance appear to be suggesting mantra suck it up?....

no comment about the ones that torment or put others down... ::) ::)

when you are in a small society   its the bullies that need to be controlled....yet somehow it seems to work  the other way round......

:(.. in the past mantra has felt more than a little intimidated at ozpol.... that should be to our shame......

and yes I would say mantra would like to make a difference....

she has always cared very much about ozpol...for some its our communication with the outside world...when we are trapped at home...

and to see it deteriorate down hill  is sad.......

you may not notice it decaying boges.....but it is!


I don't hear Mothra having a cry, when you all 'ganged up on her' here  :-? (that includes you Codswollop). Even over in Monk's place, she doesn't fall to the ground injured playing the 'female card' regarding being banned from here (because you all cried to FD/VIC about her).

Christ. Give it a rest Cods. You're crying a river!

Yeah - Spot of Borg. Welcome back. It's a lot better now that you're here again.  ;D

Spot.



maybe you werent here in those halcyon days jasin...when all was sweet and fuzzy...

so glad you have bonded with mothra....you do seem to have problems with most females....so its good to here at long last....there is one female  you dont hate .. I am sure mothra will love you even more.....


then again maybe it is your agenda to rid ozpol of its female membership????....you certainly gripe about them enough...how about you giving that a REST?.. :) :)


There you go again. Presuming everything (against you).
Mothra & I hardly converse, if not at all. We don't get on, but we don't get off on fighting either. I leave her be, etc.

Maybe your presumption is your usual attempt to 'divide' like Pink Floyd's "Us & Them." ?

I'm not trying to rid OzPol of women (even though the majority of females here, prefer to hang out over at Black Orchid's PA Forum where they can hide in their little 'secret rooms' that you covert so much.
I don't have a problem with Mantra and get on appropriately.
I get on with Emma.
I get on with Nom.
I had no problem with Mellie.
I had no problem with Annie until she perm banned me to stop the rot in the good friendship with FreeDumb - before it got worse. It was the right move. I don't hold a grudge against Annie because of that.
I have no problem with Marla or Miranda.

So as you can see - you still, like Agnes - try to manipulate a 'Me V Females'.
You obviously work for 'numbers' and thus try to manipulate the idea that I'm against 'all women' so you can drum up support from other women with an instant excuse.

Real shocking behaviour for a woman. Especially on a day like today. I love women. I have good female friends both single and married, career orientated and caring for kids.
I did Nursing, I saw how hard women can work.

No. Don't try to convince others that I'm a woman hater (like Agnes once did, as Lisa would love to do too).
You're on your own here Cods.
Time to own it.



you apparently dont read yourself or vulcan....may I suggest you do?...as it is I think you will find I rarely reply to yourself and or mothra...... and I never talk about you to others....so where all this comes from I have no idea...

I go by what I read when you attack ozpol or ozpol members.... who happen to be PA members..either as jasin or vulcan...and you never let up....PA women!  all what 4 of then that post regular???... ::) ::) you are paranoid by them....and bless your heart you are one of the least talked about....... :) :)

no need to worry pet   you are way down the pecking order ;) if there at all!


Attack OzPol?
Says the person who posted a Topic saying "OzPol is dying" or something to that degree? Everyone knows I'm Pro-OzPol and that's why I posted a PRO-OzPol topic against yours.
Everyone knows I've been banned often for opposing not just Monk's PA Forumers, but Black Orchids as well (like yourself).

If I get frustrated with FD, its because he shows bias towards Black Orchid PA and members - besides just against Monk's PA and members, but against OzPol 'only' members too.

You obviously don't 'read me' at all Codswollop.
I've lived a life 'at the bottom of the list' - I wouldn't give a hoot if you talk about me over at your PA forum or not.
Maybe that's why I get under all your skins? - because I having nothing to lose.

Sniffing around Monk's PA like Agnes & Bobby have you?
Can't leave them alone as usual.
::)

That is so funny  Mellie we only ever say the nicest kindest things about you dear   :'( :'(


You're late my love. Where have you been? ::)

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:20am

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 8:57am:

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 7:34am:
boges  this isnt a river1   its a very small insulated island if you like...and the .. "heavies"  are taking control...well thats how one or two females feel anyway..

you for instance appear to be suggesting mantra suck it up?....

no comment about the ones that torment or put others down... ::) ::)

when you are in a small society   its the bullies that need to be controlled....yet somehow it seems to work  the other way round......

:(.. in the past mantra has felt more than a little intimidated at ozpol.... that should be to our shame......

and yes I would say mantra would like to make a difference....

she has always cared very much about ozpol...for some its our communication with the outside world...when we are trapped at home...

and to see it deteriorate down hill  is sad.......

you may not notice it decaying boges.....but it is!


I don't hear Mothra having a cry, when you all 'ganged up on her' here  :-? (that includes you Codswollop). Even over in Monk's place, she doesn't fall to the ground injured playing the 'female card' regarding being banned from here (because you all cried to FD/VIC about her).

Christ. Give it a rest Cods. You're crying a river!

Yeah - Spot of Borg. Welcome back. It's a lot better now that you're here again.  ;D

Spot.


Thanks .JaSin - i doubt that though ;)

Spot

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by Agnes on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:24am

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:19am:

Agnes wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:17am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:05am:

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:55am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:29am:

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:15am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 8:57am:

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 7:34am:
boges  this isnt a river1   its a very small insulated island if you like...and the .. "heavies"  are taking control...well thats how one or two females feel anyway..

you for instance appear to be suggesting mantra suck it up?....

no comment about the ones that torment or put others down... ::) ::)

when you are in a small society   its the bullies that need to be controlled....yet somehow it seems to work  the other way round......

:(.. in the past mantra has felt more than a little intimidated at ozpol.... that should be to our shame......

and yes I would say mantra would like to make a difference....

she has always cared very much about ozpol...for some its our communication with the outside world...when we are trapped at home...

and to see it deteriorate down hill  is sad.......

you may not notice it decaying boges.....but it is!


I don't hear Mothra having a cry, when you all 'ganged up on her' here  :-? (that includes you Codswollop). Even over in Monk's place, she doesn't fall to the ground injured playing the 'female card' regarding being banned from here (because you all cried to FD/VIC about her).

Christ. Give it a rest Cods. You're crying a river!

Yeah - Spot of Borg. Welcome back. It's a lot better now that you're here again.  ;D

Spot.



maybe you werent here in those halcyon days jasin...when all was sweet and fuzzy...

so glad you have bonded with mothra....you do seem to have problems with most females....so its good to here at long last....there is one female  you dont hate .. I am sure mothra will love you even more.....


then again maybe it is your agenda to rid ozpol of its female membership????....you certainly gripe about them enough...how about you giving that a REST?.. :) :)


There you go again. Presuming everything (against you).
Mothra & I hardly converse, if not at all. We don't get on, but we don't get off on fighting either. I leave her be, etc.

Maybe your presumption is your usual attempt to 'divide' like Pink Floyd's "Us & Them." ?

I'm not trying to rid OzPol of women (even though the majority of females here, prefer to hang out over at Black Orchid's PA Forum where they can hide in their little 'secret rooms' that you covert so much.
I don't have a problem with Mantra and get on appropriately.
I get on with Emma.
I get on with Nom.
I had no problem with Mellie.
I had no problem with Annie until she perm banned me to stop the rot in the good friendship with FreeDumb - before it got worse. It was the right move. I don't hold a grudge against Annie because of that.
I have no problem with Marla or Miranda.

So as you can see - you still, like Agnes - try to manipulate a 'Me V Females'.
You obviously work for 'numbers' and thus try to manipulate the idea that I'm against 'all women' so you can drum up support from other women with an instant excuse.

Real shocking behaviour for a woman. Especially on a day like today. I love women. I have good female friends both single and married, career orientated and caring for kids.
I did Nursing, I saw how hard women can work.

No. Don't try to convince others that I'm a woman hater (like Agnes once did, as Lisa would love to do too).
You're on your own here Cods.
Time to own it.



you apparently dont read yourself or vulcan....may I suggest you do?...as it is I think you will find I rarely reply to yourself and or mothra...... and I never talk about you to others....so where all this comes from I have no idea...

I go by what I read when you attack ozpol or ozpol members.... who happen to be PA members..either as jasin or vulcan...and you never let up....PA women!  all what 4 of then that post regular???... ::) ::) you are paranoid by them....and bless your heart you are one of the least talked about....... :) :)

no need to worry pet   you are way down the pecking order ;) if there at all!


Attack OzPol?
Says the person who posted a Topic saying "OzPol is dying" or something to that degree? Everyone knows I'm Pro-OzPol and that's why I posted a PRO-OzPol topic against yours.
Everyone knows I've been banned often for opposing not just Monk's PA Forumers, but Black Orchids as well (like yourself).

If I get frustrated with FD, its because he shows bias towards Black Orchid PA and members - besides just against Monk's PA and members, but against OzPol 'only' members too.

You obviously don't 'read me' at all Codswollop.
I've lived a life 'at the bottom of the list' - I wouldn't give a hoot if you talk about me over at your PA forum or not.
Maybe that's why I get under all your skins? - because I having nothing to lose.


::)

That is so funny  Mellie we only ever say the nicest kindest things about you dear   :'( :'(


You're late my love. Where have you been? ::)

so did you slap on the vagina or the penis this morning  dear

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by .JaSin. on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:34am
Agnes wrote:
so did you slap on the vagina or the penis this morning  dear

What a nice thing to say. ::)
Neither my dear. I counted all my money here in my nice waterfront home that I didn't have to pay for. Going off for a dive soon - its a good way to keep my d*** wet ...and clean.
How about yourself my love?
Do you slap yourself in the face every morning just to wake yourself up to reality? :-?

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by Agnes on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:38am

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:34am:
Agnes wrote:
so did you slap on the vagina or the penis this morning  dear

What a nice thing to say. ::)
Neither my dear. I counted all my money here in my nice waterfront home that I didn't have to pay for. Going off for a dive soon - its a good way to keep my d*** wet ...and clean.
How about yourself my love?
Do you slap yourself in the face every morning just to wake yourself up to reality? :-?



You lose mangina  ;D

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by .JaSin. on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:49am

Agnes wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:38am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:34am:
Agnes wrote:
so did you slap on the vagina or the penis this morning  dear

What a nice thing to say. ::)
Neither my dear. I counted all my money here in my nice waterfront home that I didn't have to pay for. Going off for a dive soon - its a good way to keep my d*** wet ...and clean.
How about yourself my love?
Do you slap yourself in the face every morning just to wake yourself up to reality? :-?



You lose mangina  ;D


As long as I never lose you my love.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by Lisa Jones on Mar 8th, 2018 at 12:04pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 7:34am:
I have been away a while and it seems to me that its a lot better than it used to be

Spot


Are you seriously joking???????

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Mar 8th, 2018 at 12:32pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 12:04pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 7:34am:
I have been away a while and it seems to me that its a lot better than it used to be

Spot


Are you seriously joking???????


Well - so far. I havent been back very long.

Spot

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by cods on Mar 8th, 2018 at 2:34pm

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:05am:

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:55am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:29am:

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:15am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 8:57am:

cods wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 7:34am:
boges  this isnt a river1   its a very small insulated island if you like...and the .. "heavies"  are taking control...well thats how one or two females feel anyway..

you for instance appear to be suggesting mantra suck it up?....

no comment about the ones that torment or put others down... ::) ::)

when you are in a small society   its the bullies that need to be controlled....yet somehow it seems to work  the other way round......

:(.. in the past mantra has felt more than a little intimidated at ozpol.... that should be to our shame......

and yes I would say mantra would like to make a difference....

she has always cared very much about ozpol...for some its our communication with the outside world...when we are trapped at home...

and to see it deteriorate down hill  is sad.......

you may not notice it decaying boges.....but it is!


I don't hear Mothra having a cry, when you all 'ganged up on her' here  :-? (that includes you Codswollop). Even over in Monk's place, she doesn't fall to the ground injured playing the 'female card' regarding being banned from here (because you all cried to FD/VIC about her).

Christ. Give it a rest Cods. You're crying a river!

Yeah - Spot of Borg. Welcome back. It's a lot better now that you're here again.  ;D

Spot.



maybe you werent here in those halcyon days jasin...when all was sweet and fuzzy...

so glad you have bonded with mothra....you do seem to have problems with most females....so its good to here at long last....there is one female  you dont hate .. I am sure mothra will love you even more.....


then again maybe it is your agenda to rid ozpol of its female membership????....you certainly gripe about them enough...how about you giving that a REST?.. :) :)


There you go again. Presuming everything (against you).
Mothra & I hardly converse, if not at all. We don't get on, but we don't get off on fighting either. I leave her be, etc.

Maybe your presumption is your usual attempt to 'divide' like Pink Floyd's "Us & Them." ?

I'm not trying to rid OzPol of women (even though the majority of females here, prefer to hang out over at Black Orchid's PA Forum where they can hide in their little 'secret rooms' that you covert so much.
I don't have a problem with Mantra and get on appropriately.
I get on with Emma.
I get on with Nom.
I had no problem with Mellie.
I had no problem with Annie until she perm banned me to stop the rot in the good friendship with FreeDumb - before it got worse. It was the right move. I don't hold a grudge against Annie because of that.
I have no problem with Marla or Miranda.

So as you can see - you still, like Agnes - try to manipulate a 'Me V Females'.
You obviously work for 'numbers' and thus try to manipulate the idea that I'm against 'all women' so you can drum up support from other women with an instant excuse.

Real shocking behaviour for a woman. Especially on a day like today. I love women. I have good female friends both single and married, career orientated and caring for kids.
I did Nursing, I saw how hard women can work.

No. Don't try to convince others that I'm a woman hater (like Agnes once did, as Lisa would love to do too).
You're on your own here Cods.
Time to own it.



you apparently dont read yourself or vulcan....may I suggest you do?...as it is I think you will find I rarely reply to yourself and or mothra...... and I never talk about you to others....so where all this comes from I have no idea...

I go by what I read when you attack ozpol or ozpol members.... who happen to be PA members..either as jasin or vulcan...and you never let up....PA women!  all what 4 of then that post regular???... ::) ::) you are paranoid by them....and bless your heart you are one of the least talked about....... :) :)

no need to worry pet   you are way down the pecking order ;) if there at all!


Attack OzPol?
Says the person who posted a Topic saying "OzPol is dying" or something to that degree? Everyone knows I'm Pro-OzPol and that's why I posted a PRO-OzPol topic against yours.
Everyone knows I've been banned often for opposing not just Monk's PA Forumers, but Black Orchids as well (like yourself).

If I get frustrated with FD, its because he shows bias towards Black Orchid PA and members - besides just against Monk's PA and members, but against OzPol 'only' members too.

You obviously don't 'read me' at all Codswollop.
I've lived a life 'at the bottom of the list' - I wouldn't give a hoot if you talk about me over at your PA forum or not.
Maybe that's why I get under all your skins? - because I having nothing to lose.

Sniffing around Monk's PA like Agnes & Bobby have you?
Can't leave them alone as usual.
::)

the way you talk about PA and its members who would think they are basically one the same...same members same  web owner... you cant have a bet each way.....

I am happy to leave you alone jasin...real happy  but it has to go both way   you often use my name to get a bite when you are feeling neglected....I understand that...

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by Nom De Plume on Mar 8th, 2018 at 3:18pm

mantra wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 6:02am:
A few people here get away with so much. I don't post often simply because some members are liked - others aren't and if you fall into the latter basket - you don't have a chance of making a difference.

You have to be so careful about how you use your words. No matter how much you try and condense them - a few simple words seem to upset some people. You don't have to swear, use obscenities or personally abuse people - just the mere thought that there might be a hint of critisism in your post is enough to send those people with influence off to the admin or Gmods with a complaint.

Feedback has become a farce. There are no real compaints there about any serious problems with this site.  The people who predominantly post there have been regularly banned and then of course there are the socks who can post there with impunity and continually post about trivial issues. Why is that?

Is Ozpolitic only a message board as Lisa Jones used to proclaim persistently? Is Feedback now only for the disgruntled who personally don't like another member regardless of their own rocky history here? It's sad to see some of the basic principles of this board change to accommodate a minority with influence.

If I've offended anyone - my sincerest apologies. It wasn't intentional.


I am sorry you feel this way Mantra, and it's good to read you on forum again. Also, I understand the point you make... Too much denigration of the person and not enough discussion on the point being made by that person. I agree with you, when it's a serious discussion. However, on lightweight subjects, a little mischief should be expected.

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by Aussie on Mar 8th, 2018 at 3:27pm

Quote:
I am sorry you feel this way Mantra, and it good to read you on forum again. Also, I understand the point you make... Too much denigration of the person and not enough discussion on the point being made by that person. I agree with you, when it a serious discussion. However, on lightweight subjects, a little mischief should be expected.

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Mar 8th, 2018 at 3:30pm
Speaking of PA my membership not there - seems never to have existed. Oh well not like i need it.

Spot

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by it_is_the_light on Mar 8th, 2018 at 3:45pm

mantra wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 6:02am:
A few people here get away with so much. I don't post often simply because some members are liked - others aren't and if you fall into the latter basket - you don't have a chance of making a difference.

You have to be so careful about how you use your words. No matter how much you try and condense them - a few simple words seem to upset some people. You don't have to swear, use obscenities or personally abuse people - just the mere thought that there might be a hint of critisism in your post is enough to send those people with influence off to the admin or Gmods with a complaint.

Feedback has become a farce. There are no real compaints there about any serious problems with this site.  The people who predominantly post there have been regularly banned and then of course there are the socks who can post there with impunity and continually post about trivial issues. Why is that?

Is Ozpolitic only a message board as Lisa Jones used to proclaim persistently? Is Feedback now only for the disgruntled who personally don't like another member regardless of their own rocky history here? It's sad to see some of the basic principles of this board change to accommodate a minority with influence.

If I've offended anyone - my sincerest apologies. It wasn't intentional.


many blessings beloved being

you are forgiven ... I have it on divine authority so rejoice !

then be at peace

namaste

╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by Aussie on Mar 8th, 2018 at 4:00pm
Light.....are some beings more beloved than others?  Is there a beloved caste system?

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by Nom De Plume on Mar 8th, 2018 at 4:12pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 3:27pm:

Quote:
I am sorry you feel this way Mantra, and it good to read you on forum again. Also, I understand the point you make... Too much denigration of the person and not enough discussion on the point being made by that person. I agree with you, when it a serious discussion. However, on lightweight subjects, a little mischief should be expected.


What is the point of the high-lights?

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by it_is_the_light on Mar 8th, 2018 at 4:17pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 4:00pm:
Light.....are some beings more beloved than others?  Is there a beloved caste system?


all are loved beloved being

I have it on divine authority ..

do you deny it ?

im interested in forgiveness

namaste

╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by cods on Mar 8th, 2018 at 4:22pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 3:30pm:
Speaking of PA my membership not there - seems never to have existed. Oh well not like i need it.

Spot



probably just as well I had forgotten how you are King of the moving annoying sigs.  I dont think they have them at PA>

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by .JaSin. on Mar 8th, 2018 at 4:52pm
Cods wrote:
the way you talk about PA and its members who would think they are basically one the same...same members same  web owner... you cant have a bet each way.....

I am happy to leave you alone jasin...real happy  but it has to go both way   you often use my name to get a bite when you are feeling neglected....I understand that...


JaSin wrote:
I think I understand what you were trying to say  :-?
So the best I can answer is that - yes, anyone can have a bet each way and one can also just 'bowl middle-stump' between the two, if they like.

It's sort of like watching the Jews being kicked out of Christian Europe and then making sure the Moslems can't get in as well  ;)

PS: No I don't use your name to get a bite. I've been using your name because I've been posting in relation to your 'whinging' that you're FED UP (because you can't get your own way? Or you PA'ers from Black Orchid's realm are not getting your own way like you usually do?).  :P

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by Setanta on Mar 8th, 2018 at 5:29pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 4:17pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 4:00pm:
Light.....are some beings more beloved than others?  Is there a beloved caste system?


all are loved beloved being

I have it on divine authority ..

do you deny it ?

im interested in forgiveness

namaste

╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯


I forgive you then.

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by Lord Herbert on Mar 8th, 2018 at 5:30pm

mantra wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 6:02am:
A few people here get away with so much. I don't post often simply because some members are liked - others aren't and if you fall into the latter basket - you don't have a chance of making a difference.

You have to be so careful about how you use your words. No matter how much you try and condense them - a few simple words seem to upset some people. You don't have to swear, use obscenities or personally abuse people - just the mere thought that there might be a hint of critisism in your post is enough to send those people with influence off to the admin or Gmods with a complaint.

Feedback has become a farce. There are no real compaints there about any serious problems with this site.  The people who predominantly post there have been regularly banned and then of course there are the socks who can post there with impunity and continually post about trivial issues. Why is that?

Is Ozpolitic only a message board as Lisa Jones used to proclaim persistently? Is Feedback now only for the disgruntled who personally don't like another member regardless of their own rocky history here? It's sad to see some of the basic principles of this board change to accommodate a minority with influence.

If I've offended anyone - my sincerest apologies. It wasn't intentional.


Beautifully written, Mantra, and I feel your pain.


Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by Nom De Plume on Mar 8th, 2018 at 5:35pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 4:00pm:
Light.....are some beings more beloved than others?  Is there a beloved caste system?


Where do you think I rate in this caste system you have imagined? Where do you rate yourself?

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by Aussie on Mar 8th, 2018 at 5:37pm

Nom de Plume wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 5:35pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 4:00pm:
Light.....are some beings more beloved than others?  Is there a beloved caste system?




Where do you think I rate in this caste system you have imagined? Where do you rate yourself?


I could not care less in either case.  I was, obliquely,  making a point to Mr Light but he was not onto it.

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by mantra on Mar 10th, 2018 at 7:36am

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 7:08am:
But why worry if you don't make a difference?
Is it not sufficient unto the day that you get it off your chest?

Who makes a difference anywhere? The river of history flows on imperturbably to its ultimate destination.
Take joy in your opportunity to witness it, to occasionally have gratitude for where it sometimes passes, to be intrigued by its relentless ebb & flow, for it is influenced by very few and even then only fleetingly.


Thanks for the laugh bogarde and you are right. I only meant that a long time ago Feedback occasionally discussed netiquette. I used to like giving my opinion, but it doesn't matter anymore. Online discussions have changed a lot in the last decade. People aren't so polite to each other. They don't want to be - so you haven't got a hope in hell of trying to encourage better behaviour.


Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by mantra on Mar 10th, 2018 at 7:45am

Nom de Plume wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 3:18pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 6:02am:
A few people here get away with so much. I don't post often simply because some members are liked - others aren't and if you fall into the latter basket - you don't have a chance of making a difference.

You have to be so careful about how you use your words. No matter how much you try and condense them - a few simple words seem to upset some people. You don't have to swear, use obscenities or personally abuse people - just the mere thought that there might be a hint of critisism in your post is enough to send those people with influence off to the admin or Gmods with a complaint.

Feedback has become a farce. There are no real compaints there about any serious problems with this site.  The people who predominantly post there have been regularly banned and then of course there are the socks who can post there with impunity and continually post about trivial issues. Why is that?

Is Ozpolitic only a message board as Lisa Jones used to proclaim persistently? Is Feedback now only for the disgruntled who personally don't like another member regardless of their own rocky history here? It's sad to see some of the basic principles of this board change to accommodate a minority with influence.

If I've offended anyone - my sincerest apologies. It wasn't intentional.


I am sorry you feel this way Mantra, and it's good to read you on forum again. Also, I understand the point you make... Too much denigration of the person and not enough discussion on the point being made by that person. I agree with you, when it's a serious discussion. However, on lightweight subjects, a little mischief should be expected.


Nice to see you posting again Nom De Plume. Sometimes there seem to be too many "lightweight subjects" on these forums. I've always thought that one liners and insults were a waste of cyber space.

It seems to only affect those people who like to read a thoughtful post and as they appear to have become a minority - so be it.

Title: Re: Free speech stifled
Post by cods on Mar 10th, 2018 at 10:39am

mantra wrote on Mar 10th, 2018 at 7:45am:

Nom de Plume wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 3:18pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 6:02am:
A few people here get away with so much. I don't post often simply because some members are liked - others aren't and if you fall into the latter basket - you don't have a chance of making a difference.

You have to be so careful about how you use your words. No matter how much you try and condense them - a few simple words seem to upset some people. You don't have to swear, use obscenities or personally abuse people - just the mere thought that there might be a hint of critisism in your post is enough to send those people with influence off to the admin or Gmods with a complaint.

Feedback has become a farce. There are no real compaints there about any serious problems with this site.  The people who predominantly post there have been regularly banned and then of course there are the socks who can post there with impunity and continually post about trivial issues. Why is that?

Is Ozpolitic only a message board as Lisa Jones used to proclaim persistently? Is Feedback now only for the disgruntled who personally don't like another member regardless of their own rocky history here? It's sad to see some of the basic principles of this board change to accommodate a minority with influence.

If I've offended anyone - my sincerest apologies. It wasn't intentional.


I am sorry you feel this way Mantra, and it's good to read you on forum again. Also, I understand the point you make... Too much denigration of the person and not enough discussion on the point being made by that person. I agree with you, when it's a serious discussion. However, on lightweight subjects, a little mischief should be expected.


Nice to see you posting again Nom De Plume. Sometimes there seem to be too many "lightweight subjects" on these forums. I've always thought that one liners and insults were a waste of cyber space.

It seems to only affect those people who like to read a thoughtful post and as they appear to have become a minority - so be it.



I think thats how most members here feel  mantra.......

its mostly used by people who really have nothing to offer the community...their quest is not to debate !   just to attack the membership.....I think it makes them feel important.... ::) ::)

no matter how serious a subject   in they come with the negatives....I have got angry many times over it  but I never seem to win  in the end the thread shuts down......it can be very frustrating.....but lets not give up!

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