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Message started by Brian Ross on Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:38pm

Title: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:38pm
Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling from 10 per cent to 5 per cent in the past three months   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Coral Sea on Feb 11th, 2018 at 1:33pm
I am responding to your signature instead of your post.

If the claim is true, and of course I am not going to bother reading the PDF, that simply means that 85% of Australians are wrong.

And no one has the right to be wrong.

You should be ashamed of yourself for promoting wrongism.

Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:23pm

Coral Sea wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
I am responding to your signature instead of your post.

If the claim is true, and of course I am not going to bother reading the PDF, that simply means that 85% of Australians are wrong.

And no one has the right to be wrong.

You should be ashamed of yourself for promoting wrongism.


Really?  That's an awful lot of Australians that are wrong then.  What ever happened to Democracy, hey?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Dnarever on Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:29pm

Coral Sea wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
I am responding to your signature instead of your post.

If the claim is true, and of course I am not going to bother reading the PDF, that simply means that 85% of Australians are wrong.

And no one has the right to be wrong.

You should be ashamed of yourself for promoting wrongism.


Obviously a very clear majority would disagree with you ?

Maybe not here though.

Multiculturalism has been great for Australia and built the USA but maybe not under the same label.

The US isn't what it is today based on the actions of the indiginous Red Indian population alone ?


Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Dnarever on Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:31pm
I would say that we have about seen the One Nation cycle play out again.

Extremism is always popular but never achieves anything

Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Coral Sea on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:59am
I have no problem disagreeing with clear majorities.

Wrong is wrong.

Hard data shows that "multiculturalism" (which, today, really means multiracialism) is disastrous.

No one has the right to be wrong.

There are other issues for instance--majorities in most countries oppose atomic energy.

They're wrong, and they should not be listened to.

And given that public opinion is shaped by propaganda, this makes "the will of the people" a dubious concept indeed.

Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by JC Denton on Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:26am
it also makes you wonder why supposedly 85% of australians would support multiculturalism. i think a lot of people just associate it with superficial stuff like chinese new year festivals and more ethnic restaurants around the place, none of which really necessitate an explicit multicultural policy to have (though obviously 'multiculturalism' does facilitiate them). when it comes to actually interacting with ethnics many of that 85% wouldn't be anywhere near as supportive, at least implicitly.


Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:28pm
No matter what you two might claim, you cannot disagree with the results from the Survey.  85% of Australians appreciate Multiculturalism.


Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Lord Herbert on Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:57pm

JC Denton wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:26am:
it also makes you wonder why supposedly 85% of australians would support multiculturalism. i think a lot of people just associate it with superficial stuff like chinese new year festivals and more ethnic restaurants around the place, none of which really necessitate an explicit multicultural policy to have (though obviously 'multiculturalism' does facilitiate them). when it comes to actually interacting with ethnics many of that 85% wouldn't be anywhere near as supportive, at least implicitly.


Well said.

The horrors that exist behind the benign face of 'multiculturalism' are never spoken of.


Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Frank on Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:42pm

JC Denton wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:26am:
it also makes you wonder why supposedly 85% of australians would support multiculturalism. i think a lot of people just associate it with superficial stuff like chinese new year festivals and more ethnic restaurants around the place, none of which really necessitate an explicit multicultural policy to have (though obviously 'multiculturalism' does facilitiate them). when it comes to actually interacting with ethnics many of that 85% wouldn't be anywhere near as supportive, at least implicitly.



Precisely.  It depends on how you frame the question.

'Do you support multiculturalism or would you hunt down all the efniks and deport the lot, pronto' would produce a high level of support. Also, without being clear what exactly is meant by multiculturalism and what supporting it entails, it is hard to know what the '85% supports it' really means.


Asking 'Do you think you can completely transform the demographic make up of Australia and still recognise it as Australia in 50 years time?'  would produce a completely different response from the same people. Replacing English speaking white Australians with Indians, Chinese, Muslim Arabs and Pakistanis and Africans who want to stay Indian, Muslim, African means the country will be transformed beyond recognition.

I have never heard anyone argue that Australia will be improved if it becomes more like India, Pakistan, Iran or Sudan or China and Vietnam.  No doubt Bwian et al will now tell us such things.

Tell us, Bwian, what was the actual question about supporting multiculturalism to which 85% of Australians answered affirmatively? 


Some other questions, also very much worth asking, are from a Granuiad review of Caldwell's book, Reflections on the Revolution in Europe:
Can you have the same Europe with different people?
Why did mass immigration happen when so few people actually wanted it?
Immigrants want a better life but how many of them want a European life?
Why is minority ethnic pride a virtue and European nationalism a sickness?
Is political correctness just fear masquerading as tolerance?

You can substitute Australia for Europe and the questions still stand.


Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:58pm

Coral Sea wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:59am:
I have no problem disagreeing with clear majorities.

Wrong is wrong.


Hard data shows that "multiculturalism" (which, today, really means multiracialism) is disastrous.

No one has the right to be wrong.

There are other issues for instance--majorities in most countries oppose atomic energy.

They're wrong, and they should not be listened to.

And given that public opinion is shaped by propaganda, this makes "the will of the people" a dubious concept indeed.


Nope.


Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Frank on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:58pm:
Nope.

Nope is incorrect, Turd.

Can you have the same Australia with different people?
Why did mass immigration happen when so few people actually wanted it?
Immigrants want a better life but how many of them want an Australian life?
Why is minority ethnic pride a virtue and Australian nationalism a sickness?
Is political correctness just fear masquerading as tolerance?



Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Dnarever on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:06pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:57pm:

JC Denton wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:26am:
it also makes you wonder why supposedly 85% of australians would support multiculturalism. i think a lot of people just associate it with superficial stuff like chinese new year festivals and more ethnic restaurants around the place, none of which really necessitate an explicit multicultural policy to have (though obviously 'multiculturalism' does facilitiate them). when it comes to actually interacting with ethnics many of that 85% wouldn't be anywhere near as supportive, at least implicitly.


Well said.

The horrors that exist behind the benign face of 'multiculturalism' are never spoken of.


You people do not know Australians of Italian Greek US or Jewish backgrounds ?

Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Dnarever on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:11pm

Coral Sea wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:59am:
I have no problem disagreeing with clear majorities.

Wrong is wrong.

Hard data shows that "multiculturalism" (which, today, really means multiracialism) is disastrous.

No one has the right to be wrong.

There are other issues for instance--majorities in most countries oppose atomic energy.

They're wrong, and they should not be listened to.

And given that public opinion is shaped by propaganda, this makes "the will of the people" a dubious concept indeed.


Wrong is wrong. 85% believe that you are wrong and they have a point.

Hard data shows that "multiculturalism" (which, today, really means multiracialism) is disastrous.


Poor choice of thing to say just before declaring that "No one has the right to be wrong."

There are other issues for instance--majorities in most countries oppose atomic energy.

They're wrong, and they should not be listened to.


Have they sticky taped Japan back together again yet ?


Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:32pm

Frank wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:58pm:
Nope.

Nope is incorrect, Turd.

Can you have the same Australia with different people?


You could have a better Australia, Soren, one where your likes are not welcome with your Xenophobia, Racism and Islamophobia.   ::)


Quote:
Why did mass immigration happen when so few people actually wanted it?


Really?  Evidence, Soren.   I haven't found any online about opposition to Mass Migration after WWII.  Do you have any, at all?  Tsk, tsk.    ::)


Quote:
Immigrants want a better life but how many of them want an Australian life?


What is an "Australian life"?   Wearing shorts and a singlet, swilling beer, having a Barbie?  Really?  Personally, I prefer a Multicultural Australian Life.   Where everybody can have the sort of life they want, without your childish whinging and squawking all the time.   ::)


Quote:
Why is minority ethnic pride a virtue and Australian nationalism a sickness?


Why aren't "Ethnics" allowed pride in their inheritance and who said they could not incorporate it into their version of Australian nationalism, Soren?

Your idea of Australian nationalism is actually British nationalism - you can love your foreign monarch, you can play cricket and you can eat your meat and three veg.  According to you, nothing else is allowed.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)


Quote:
Is political correctness just fear masquerading as tolerance?


Nope.  It is true tolerance.  Something completely alien to your views.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Lord Herbert on Feb 12th, 2018 at 8:52pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
You people do not know Australians of Italian Greek US or Jewish backgrounds ?


A lot of our Third World migrants come from cultures that condone horrific treatment of animals before they are killed for food.

Italians have distinguished themselves as a nation which gave rise to the Mafia in many of its forms as an export industry to the US and Australia.

Ever since WWII the US culture has been a serial offender in starting wars all over the goddamned planet. 



Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Frank on Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:32pm:
Is political correctness just fear masquerading as tolerance?


Nope.  It is true tolerance.  Something completely alien to your views.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)



Well, why aren't the Chinese, Asians, Indians, Burmese, Indonesians, Africans, Muslims politically correct then? Or tolerant, for that matter.


Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Frank on Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:32pm:
Nope is incorrect, Turd.

Can you have the same Australia with different people?


You could have a better Australia, Soren, one where your likes are not welcome with your Xenophobia, Racism and Islamophobia.   ::)



So I am now the determining factor in Australia, you stupid, unthinking ass? We are importing third worlders with alien and unassimilable cultures and habits just so we do not have people who are keen to maintain Australia's characteristics??  And the same for all Western countries. Must  we stamp out all Western national characteristics in favor of every third worlders?   Must not have  Australia, Britain, France, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, etc but must add to ALL of them lots of Somlis, Syrian, Afghans, Sudanese, Chinese, Indians etc, etc.   Because third worlders have shown everyone howw much better then can organise their societies than developed, advanced white, firts world societies.


You silly old ass, this multiculti shite doesn't make sense even to you but you trumpet it, the spineless blighter you are.





Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:35pm

Frank wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:32pm:
Is political correctness just fear masquerading as tolerance?


Nope.  It is true tolerance.  Something completely alien to your views.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)


Well, why aren't the Chinese, Asians, Indians, Burmese, Indonesians, Africans, Muslims politically correct then? Or tolerant, for that matter.


Most are, Soren.  Most are.  Or could it be that they aren't tolerant of your intolerance?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:37pm

Frank wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:32pm:
Nope is incorrect, Turd.

Can you have the same Australia with different people?


You could have a better Australia, Soren, one where your likes are not welcome with your Xenophobia, Racism and Islamophobia.   ::)


So I am now the determining factor in Australia, you stupid, unthinking ass? We are importing third worlders with alien and unassimilable cultures and habits just so we do not have people who are keen to maintain Australia's characteristics??  And the same for all Western countries. Must  we stamp out all Western national characteristics in favor of every third worlders?   Must not have  Australia, Britain, France, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, etc but must add to ALL of them lots of Somlis, Syrian, Afghans, Sudanese, Chinese, Indians etc, etc.   Because third worlders have shown everyone howw much better then can organise their societies than developed, advanced white, firts world societies.

You silly old ass, this multiculti shite doesn't make sense even to you but you trumpet it, the spineless blighter you are.




Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, resorting to your ad homimen debate again, Soren?   Poor, poor, you.  Off to the little kids' playground with you!   ::)

Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Frank on Feb 13th, 2018 at 7:51pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:35pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:32pm:
Is political correctness just fear masquerading as tolerance?


Nope.  It is true tolerance.  Something completely alien to your views.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)


Well, why aren't the Chinese, Asians, Indians, Burmese, Indonesians, Africans, Muslims politically correct then? Or tolerant, for that matter.


Most are, Soren.  Most are.  Or could it be that they aren't tolerant of your intolerance?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)



Oh! so it might be OK for them mutilators to be intolerant of my Enlightenment but not for me to be intolerant of their backwardness.  Of course, the hoof will show eventually, as it has now.

Anyway, old ass, don't avoid the quedtion underpinning your silly signature. Don't pretend you didn't see it:

Tell us, Bwian, what was the actual question about supporting multiculturalism to which 85% of Australians answered affirmatively? 

Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:01pm

Frank wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 7:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:35pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:32pm:
Is political correctness just fear masquerading as tolerance?


Nope.  It is true tolerance.  Something completely alien to your views.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)


Well, why aren't the Chinese, Asians, Indians, Burmese, Indonesians, Africans, Muslims politically correct then? Or tolerant, for that matter.


Most are, Soren.  Most are.  Or could it be that they aren't tolerant of your intolerance?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)


Oh! so it might be OK for them mutilators to be intolerant of my Enlightenment but not for me to be intolerant of their backwardness.  Of course, the hoof will show eventually, as it has now.

Anyway, old ass, don't avoid the quedtion underpinning your silly signature. Don't pretend you didn't see it:

Tell us, Bwian, what was the actual question about supporting multiculturalism to which 85% of Australians answered affirmatively? 





Nothing enlightened about your Enlightment, Soren.  Nothing at all.  It's just a reversion to the good old traditions of the Middle Ages, where Torture, Persecution and Death were the norm.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Frank on Feb 13th, 2018 at 9:03pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:01pm:
Nothing enlightened about your Enlightment, Soren.  Nothing at all.  It's just a reversion to the good old traditions of the Middle Ages, where Torture, Persecution and Death were the norm.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Anyway, old ass, don't avoid the question underpinning your silly signature. Don't pretend you didn't see it:
  Tell us, Bwian, what was the actual question about supporting multiculturalism to which 85% of Australians answered affirmatively? 


Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2018 at 9:27pm
bwian just wants us all to tolerate ourselves and our culture out of existence.  Oh wait.  he doesn't recognise Australia has a culture.  he thinks its called multiculture.

bwian is a fool, a Useful idiot pure and simple.

Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2018 at 9:30pm
Frank there was a guy from bwian's favourite Scanlon Foundation the other day, talk about prove me right about their idiotic bias and pro-Multiculti extremism....

He was totally unbelievable...  I think he was on The Drum. ::)
Go ABC :D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 13th, 2018 at 10:04pm

Frank wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 9:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:01pm:
Nothing enlightened about your Enlightment, Soren.  Nothing at all.  It's just a reversion to the good old traditions of the Middle Ages, where Torture, Persecution and Death were the norm.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Anyway, old ass, don't avoid the question underpinning your silly signature. Don't pretend you didn't see it:
  Tell us, Bwian, what was the actual question about supporting multiculturalism to which 85% of Australians answered affirmatively? 




Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, I don't know why you bother, Soren, I really don't.   ::)

Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Frank on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 10:04pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 9:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:01pm:
Nothing enlightened about your Enlightment, Soren.  Nothing at all.  It's just a reversion to the good old traditions of the Middle Ages, where Torture, Persecution and Death were the norm.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Anyway, old ass, don't avoid the question underpinning your silly signature. Don't pretend you didn't see it:
  Tell us, Bwian, what was the actual question about supporting multiculturalism to which 85% of Australians answered affirmatively? 




Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, I don't know why you bother, Soren, I really don't.   ::)

Why don't you tell us the question, Bwian? Why insist on an answer being valid without telling us what the question was? 

And I bother because you have, among other reputation-damaging credentials, an entire thread devoted to you under the heading of 'Spineless apologetics'.  Have you come across it? It has well over 100 thousand views and over 2000 posts. All because of you, Bwian. be proud.

You do not inspire confidence in the truth and sincerity of your utterances, Bwian.


Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:22pm

Frank wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 10:04pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 9:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:01pm:
Nothing enlightened about your Enlightment, Soren.  Nothing at all.  It's just a reversion to the good old traditions of the Middle Ages, where Torture, Persecution and Death were the norm.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Anyway, old ass, don't avoid the question underpinning your silly signature. Don't pretend you didn't see it:
  Tell us, Bwian, what was the actual question about supporting multiculturalism to which 85% of Australians answered affirmatively? 




Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, I don't know why you bother, Soren, I really don't.   ::)

Why don't you tell us the question, Bwian? Why insist on an answer being valid without telling us what the question was? 

And I bother because you have, among other reputation-damaging credentials, an entire thread devoted to you under the heading of 'Spineless apologetics'.  Have you come across it? It has well over 100 thousand views and over 2000 posts. All because of you, Bwian. be proud.

You do not inspire confidence in the truth and sincerity of your utterances, Bwian.




Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, why should I do your research for you, Soren?  You do know the answer to your question already?   Or are you just being lazy and expecting me to do your research for you?   Run along, back to your little kiddies' playground.  Be a good boy.    ::)

Title: Re: Newspoll showing One Nation’s primary vote falling
Post by Grendel on Feb 15th, 2018 at 3:47pm
93% of Australians in the largest survey at the time...  wanted an END TO MULTICULTURALISM

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