the meaning of life .
what you HAVE to accept.

Life is harsh
Life is harsh as F*kk.
Life is inherently unfair.

The great religions and all the heroic mythology upon which the west is built point to these facts.
You are going to die
There will be pain.
It will be one problem after another.

Christ and the buddha and the stoics and greek mythology all point to the neccessity of "accepting this" as you cannot transcend it if you wont accept it.

What happens if you wont accept it?
What happens if you think you can create a "utopia " here on earth.
This has been tried in the soviet, in maos china, in vietnam, in cambodia, in north korea.

It doesnt work.

If you dont accept it , heres what happens.

Problems and pain and suffering will be delievered to your doorstep and because you didnt accept it, you will become resentful
you will become desperate
you will become angry
you will become bitter
you will become depressed
you will become nihilistic.

The leftie socialist intellectuals BY NECCESSITY have to reject the ideas of christianity because the hero in the story carried a cross and then got nailed to it.

and they cant accept that (and with good reason).

and in their non acceptance, they just dig for themselves a bigger hole.

because acceptance of pain is neccessary for growth.
if you cant accept that their is pain and malevolence in the world (and especially if you dont make your children aware of this) then you are naive and you are raising naive children.

and what happens when a naive person encounters pain or evil.
they get traumatised in direct proportion to their naivety .

i dont know how many spartan boys got PTSD.
probably not that many.
PTSD is now running at 50 % in our military.
because we arent teaching people the true nature of the world.

anxiety and depression are running at record rates in young people.
because we arent teaching people the true nature of the world.

so make sure you embrace the fact that life is tragic and that you must never let this tragedy make you a victim.

the left, by rejecting this reality and encouraging victimhood are making people become weaker.
and this weakness is a step backwards from an evolutionary perspective.
for the first time in the long history of mankind, the species is not evolving but devolving.
nature will destroy a species which goes down that route.

the nuclear arms race is part of that idea that you can build a utopia where you are safe, but you just need one resentful and bitter person to trash that system
and no "belief system" is creating more resentful and bitter people then the current leftie socialist system.

:D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

You are kidding right?

Grendel wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 8:02am:

:D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D You are kidding right?

show me different dude  :D :D :D :D :D

aquascoot wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 8:29am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 8:02am: :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D You are kidding right? show me different dude  :D :D :D :D :D

Actually no he doesn't. You have to show evidence you are right.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 8:30am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 8:29am: Grendel wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 8:02am: :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D You are kidding right? show me different dude  :D :D :D :D :D Actually no he doesn't. You have to show evidence you are right.

i suppose the evidence would be the 10's of millions of people who died in sovet russia, in maos china, in the killing fields of cambodia, of starvation in north korea.
it seems a socialist utopia is quite murderous

Socialism is not communism.

Because they can't get pas the assumption made by some that any 'leftie' idea is somehow Utopian and thus unworkable, when the reality is that all civilised and functional governments and economies operate as a symbiosis of capitalism and socialism?

You can lead a horse lover to water... but you can't make him drink....

Now if you wish to discuss genuine Utopians and then genuine societies as separate issues - I'm all ears.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 9:09am:

Because they can't get pas the assumption made by some that any 'leftie' idea is somehow Utopian and thus unworkable, when the reality is that all civilised and functional governments and economies operate as a symbiosis of capitalism and socialism? .

As a "leftie" I'm all for capitalism, but what history shows is that you still need some socialist aspects to stop capitalism getting out of control.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 7:18am:

the meaning of life . what you HAVE to accept. Life is harsh MINE ISN'T I LIVE IN AUSTRALIA IT'S HARDLY HARSH COMPARED WITH THE PAST OR LIFE IN OTHER COUNTRIES NOW IS IT. HUBRIS DOESN'T CUT IT.  TRY FACTS FOR A CHANGE. Life is harsh as F*kk. SEE ABOVE :D Life is inherently unfair. IT CAN BE BUT NOT NECESSARILY INHERENTLY SO. The great religions and all the heroic mythology upon which the west is built point to these facts. You are going to die OH DEAR REALLY?  I WAS EXPECTING TO LIVE FOREVER.  HONESTLY EVERYTHING DIES.  FACT OF LIFE. There will be pain. REALLY?  PHYSICAL MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL NO DOUBT.  COMES WITH LIVING.  IT IS ALL PART OF LIFE. It will be one problem after another. REALLY?  WHAT MINUTE AFTER MINUTE?  DAY AFTER DAY?  WEEK AFTER WEEK?  MONTH AFTER MONTH? YEAR AFTER YEAR?  A LITTLE LONGER PERHAPS...  WHICH ONE OF THESE.  MAN IS A PROBLEM SOLVER.  A LACK OF PROBLEMS WOULD STARVE OUR MINDS OF THE ABILITY TO THINK AND ADAPT. Christ and the buddha and the stoics and greek mythology all point to the neccessity of "accepting this" as you cannot transcend it if you wont accept it. REALLY?  YOU NEED TO READ MORE. What happens if you wont accept it? YOU MAY JUST CHANGE THINGS AND TRIUMPH OVER ADVERSITY. What happens if you think you can create a "utopia " here on earth. NOTHING.  THINKING SELDOM DOES ANYTHING WITHOUT THE ASSOCIATED ACTIONS. A "UTOPIA" IS QUITE POSSIBLY A VERY FINE ASPIRATION.  YET ONE MAN'S "UTOPIA" MAY WELL BE ANOTHER'S HELL. This has been tried in the soviet, in maos china, in vietnam, in cambodia, in north korea. I DON'T CALL DIFFERENT SOCIAL SYSTEM UTOPIAS SEE MY COMMENT ABOVE. It doesnt work. OBVIOUSLY THEY DO WORK.  OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE NOT ALL TO EVERYONE'S TASTE...  SEE MY COMMENT ABOVE. If you dont accept it , heres what happens. OH GOODY :D :D :D :D :D Problems and pain and suffering will be delievered to your doorstep and because you didnt accept it, you will become resentful you will become desperate you will become angry you will become bitter you will become depressed you will become nihilistic. OH DEAR...  SEE MY COMMENT RE CHANGE.  HISTORY SHOWS THAT CHANGE IS THE ONLY CONSTANT. The leftie socialist intellectuals BY NECCESSITY have to reject the ideas of christianity because the hero in the story carried a cross and then got nailed to it. OH DEAR WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP.  A TOTALLY ILLOGICAL CONFLATION. and they cant accept that (and with good reason). DO TELL  :D :D :D and in their non acceptance, they just dig for themselves a bigger hole. DEPENDS ON THE SOCIETY THEY FIND THEMSELVES IN because acceptance of pain is neccessary for growth. RUBBISH... if you cant accept that their is pain and malevolence in the world (and especially if you dont make your children aware of this) then you are naive and you are raising naive children. MORE RUBBISH and what happens when a naive person encounters pain or evil. OOH...  WHAT? they get traumatised in direct proportion to their naivety . AND MORE RUBBISH...  HUMANS WOULD FIRST OF ALL RUN AWAY OR AVOID IT.  CHANGE IT, OR TOLERATE IT, ETC...  THERE IS NO PROPORTIONALITY i dont know how many spartan boys got PTSD. probably not that many. DIFFERENT TIMES, DIFFERENT PEOPLE, YOU ARE A PRODUCT OF YOUR TIMES. PTSD is now running at 50 % in our military. because we arent teaching people the true nature of the world. RUBBISH...  SEE ABOVE. anxiety and depression are running at record rates in young people.because we arent teaching people the true nature of the world. PEOPLE THESE DAYS ARE MORE AWARE AND EDUCATED ON THE WORLD AND OTHER PEOPLE'S THAN THEY HAVE EVER BEEN BEFORE. so make sure you embrace the fact that life is tragic and that you must never let this tragedy make you a victim. SO YOU ARE A TOTAL PESSIMIST ARE YOU?  IF THAT'S HOW YOU COPE, FINE.  i CHOOSE TO BE A REALIST AND AN OPTIMIST.  the left, by rejecting this reality and encouraging victimhood are making people become weaker. IT IS NOT STRICTLY A LEFT/RIGHT THING, THOUGH VICTIMHOOD IS A TOOL USED BY LW PC PROGRESSIVES TO FURTHER THEIR POLITICAL AGENDAS. and this weakness is a step backwards from an evolutionary perspective. :D :D :D :D :D for the first time in the long history of mankind, the species is not evolving but devolving. :D :D :D :D :D nature will destroy a species which goes down that route. :D :D :D :D :D the nuclear arms race is part of that idea that you can build a utopia where you are safe, but you just need one resentful and bitter person to trash that system and no "belief system" is creating more resentful and bitter people then the current leftie socialist system. RUBBISH...  SEE MY COMMENT RE "UTOPIAS" YOU SCOOT HAVE A WEIRD VIEW OF THE WORLD AND YOUR FELLOW MAN WERE YOU EVER INSTITUTIONALISED AND IF NOT WHY NOT?

I've seen victimhood used by RW types too.


Bolt claims victimhood all the time.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 9:00am:

Socialism is not communism.

the marxists always assume that if given power, they would do it better.
thats why they are exactly the sorts of people who shouldnt be given power.
and you dont think that part of the lefts motivation is a will for totalitarian control?
cause i do  ;) ;)

[quote author=grendel link=1517951911/8#8 date=1517959847][quote author=aquascoot link=1517951911/0#0 date=1517951911]the meaning of life .
what you HAVE to accept.

Life is harsh
MINE ISN'T I LIVE IN AUSTRALIA IT'S HARDLY HARSH COMPARED WITH THE PAST OR LIFE IN OTHER COUNTRIES NOW IS IT. HUBRIS DOESN'T CUT IT.  TRY FACTS FOR A CHANGE.

Life is harsh as F*kk.
SEE ABOVE :D
Life is inherently unfair.
IT CAN BE BUT NOT NECESSARILY INHERENTLY SO.

The great religions and all the heroic mythology upon which the west is built point to these facts.
You are going to die
OH DEAR REALLY?  I WAS EXPECTING TO LIVE FOREVER.  HONESTLY EVERYTHING DIES.  FACT OF LIFE.

There will be pain.
REALLY?  PHYSICAL MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL NO DOUBT.  COMES WITH LIVING.  IT IS ALL PART OF LIFE.

It will be one problem after another.
REALLY?  WHAT MINUTE AFTER MINUTE?  DAY AFTER DAY?  WEEK AFTER WEEK?  MONTH AFTER MONTH? YEAR AFTER YEAR?  A LITTLE LONGER PERHAPS...  WHICH ONE OF THESE.  MAN IS A PROBLEM SOLVER.  A LACK OF PROBLEMS WOULD STARVE OUR MINDS OF THE ABILITY TO THINK AND ADAPT.

Christ and the buddha and the stoics and greek mythology all point to the neccessity of "accepting this" as you cannot transcend it if you wont accept it.
REALLY?  YOU NEED TO READ MORE.

What happens if you wont accept it?
YOU MAY JUST CHANGE THINGS AND TRIUMPH OVER ADVERSITY.

What happens if you think you can create a "utopia " here on earth.
NOTHING.  THINKING SELDOM DOES ANYTHING WITHOUT THE ASSOCIATED ACTIONS. A "UTOPIA" IS QUITE POSSIBLY A VERY FINE ASPIRATION.  YET ONE MAN'S "UTOPIA" MAY WELL BE ANOTHER'S HELL.

This has been tried in the soviet, in maos china, in vietnam, in cambodia, in north korea.
I DON'T CALL DIFFERENT SOCIAL SYSTEM UTOPIAS SEE MY COMMENT ABOVE.

It doesnt work.
OBVIOUSLY THEY DO WORK.  OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE NOT ALL TO EVERYONE'S TASTE...  SEE MY COMMENT ABOVE.

If you dont accept it , heres what happens.
OH GOODY :D :D :D :D :D

Problems and pain and suffering will be delievered to your doorstep and because you didnt accept it, you will become resentful
you will become desperate
you will become angry
you will become bitter
you will become depressed
you will become nihilistic.
OH DEAR...  SEE MY COMMENT RE CHANGE.  HISTORY SHOWS THAT CHANGE IS THE ONLY CONSTANT.

The leftie socialist intellectuals BY NECCESSITY have to reject the ideas of christianity because the hero in the story carried a cross and then got nailed to it.
OH DEAR WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP.  A TOTALLY ILLOGICAL CONFLATION.

and they cant accept that (and with good reason).
DO TELL  :D :D :D

and in their non acceptance, they just dig for themselves a bigger hole.
DEPENDS ON THE SOCIETY THEY FIND THEMSELVES IN

because acceptance of pain is neccessary for growth.
RUBBISH...

if you cant accept that their is pain and malevolence in the world (and especially if you dont make your children aware of this) then you are naive and you are raising naive children.
MORE RUBBISH

and what happens when a naive person encounters pain or evil.
OOH...  WHAT?
they get traumatised in direct proportion to their naivety .
AND MORE RUBBISH...  HUMANS WOULD FIRST OF ALL RUN AWAY OR AVOID IT.  CHANGE IT, OR TOLERATE IT, ETC...  THERE IS NO PROPORTIONALITY

i dont know how many spartan boys got PTSD.
probably not that many.
DIFFERENT TIMES, DIFFERENT PEOPLE, YOU ARE A PRODUCT OF YOUR TIMES.

PTSD is now running at 50 % in our military.
because we arent teaching people the true nature of the world.
RUBBISH...  SEE ABOVE.

anxiety and depression are running at record rates in young people.because we arent teaching people the true nature of the world.
PEOPLE THESE DAYS ARE MORE AWARE AND EDUCATED ON THE WORLD AND OTHER PEOPLE'S THAN THEY HAVE EVER BEEN BEFORE.

so make sure you embrace the fact that life is tragic and that you must never let this tragedy make you a victim.
SO YOU ARE A TOTAL PESSIMIST ARE YOU?  IF THAT'S HOW YOU COPE, FINE.  i CHOOSE TO BE A REALIST AND AN OPTIMIST. 

the left, by rejecting this reality and encouraging victimhood are making people become weaker.
IT IS NOT STRICTLY A LEFT/RIGHT THING, THOUGH VICTIMHOOD IS A TOOL USED BY LW PC PROGRESSIVES TO FURTHER THEIR POLITICAL AGENDAS.

the nuclear arms race is part of that idea that you can build a utopia where you are safe, but you just need one resentful and bitter person to trash that system
and no "belief system" is creating more resentful and bitter people then the current leftie socialist system.
RUBBISH...  SEE MY COMMENT RE "UTOPIAS"
YOU SCOOT HAVE A WEIRD VIEW OF THE WORLD AND YOUR FELLOW MAN WERE YOU EVER INSTITUTIONALISED AND IF NOT WHY NOT?
[/quote

some ggod points in there. but i would dispute that modern societies are more educated about the world then ever before. i think they are more prone to just following the path of least resistance and pleasuring themselves. the mental health and obesity stats agree

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 9:32am:

I've seen victimhood used by RW types too. Bolt claims victimhood all the time.

LOL

But to be honest it is mostly used by the progressive Left.

Quote:

some ggod points in there. but i would dispute that modern societies are more educated about the world then ever before.

It is patently obvious scoot that unless you live in the 3rd world your understanding of the world and the standard of education is much better than it has ever been in our history.

people used to think the world was flat.
people thought if you travelled to far you'd reach the end of the world.
people were unaware of other people's and countries across the seas.

Etc, etc, etc...

Grendel wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 11:04am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:32am: I've seen victimhood used by RW types too. Bolt claims victimhood all the time. LOL But to be honest it is mostly used by the progressive Left.

I view it as a 50/50 share.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 11:06am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 11:04am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:32am: I've seen victimhood used by RW types too. Bolt claims victimhood all the time. LOL But to be honest it is mostly used by the progressive Left. I view it as a 50/50 share.

Well I'm not rusted on to any side of politics and clearly its not.

Grendel wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 11:09am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 11:06am: Grendel wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 11:04am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:32am: I've seen victimhood used by RW types too. Bolt claims victimhood all the time. LOL But to be honest it is mostly used by the progressive Left. I view it as a 50/50 share. Well I'm not rusted on to any side of politics and clearly its not.

Pfft. 1. making that statement disputes the not rusted on,
2. Evidence?

Grendel wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 11:06am:

Quote: some ggod points in there. but i would dispute that modern societies are more educated about the world then ever before. It is patently obvious scoot that unless you live in the 3rd world your understanding of the world and the standard of education is much better than it has ever been in our history. people used to think the world was flat. people thought if you travelled to far you'd reach the end of the world. people were unaware of other people's and countries across the seas. Etc, etc, etc...

there are 2 sorts of truths

scientific truths which tell you what things are

but science cannot tell you "how to act".

you need the mythological truths or the ongoing intergenerational narrative or the religous truths to tell you this.

this has been the big mistake of the last century.
the belief that now that we have scientific truths , we can dispense with any sort of "oral tradition" on how to act.

people just assume they are a force for good.
they arent.
the people who worked in the concentration camps, the rwandans who massacred a million people, they arent any different from you and me.
and science wont tell you what to do about that.

leftie utopians dont like the message of the religious traditions.
but the basic message of the judeo christian tradition is that the "truth " is the ultimate good.
science grew directly out of this pursuit of the truth.

its why the western tradition is different to the beliefs of the aborigine or the aztecs or the zulu.
but now having gotten to this point, there is a belief that we can just do away with what got us here.
thats not going to work.
people are anchoring their faith in science but science needs to be tethered to something.
it cant float in mid air.

and humans have to have a belief system
if you dont , you are overwhelmed by complexity and you shut down.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 11:12am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 11:09am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 11:06am: Grendel wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 11:04am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:32am: I've seen victimhood used by RW types too. Bolt claims victimhood all the time. LOL But to be honest it is mostly used by the progressive Left. I view it as a 50/50 share. Well I'm not rusted on to any side of politics and clearly its not. Pfft. 1. making that statement disputes the not rusted on, 2. Evidence?

REALITY... if you haven't noticed it you never will.
Comes of being biased.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 11:23am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 11:06am: Quote: some ggod points in there. but i would dispute that modern societies are more educated about the world then ever before. It is patently obvious scoot that unless you live in the 3rd world your understanding of the world and the standard of education is much better than it has ever been in our history. people used to think the world was flat. people thought if you travelled to far you'd reach the end of the world. people were unaware of other people's and countries across the seas. Etc, etc, etc... there are 2 sorts of truths NO THERE ARE TRUTHS AND UNTRUTHS... scientific truths which tell you what things are SCIENCE DOES MANY THINGS AND MUCH MORE THAN THAT. but science cannot tell you "how to act". WELL THAT'S HIGHLY DEBATABLE, SCIENCE DOES NOT MAKE MORAL DECISIONS. you need the mythological truths or the ongoing intergenerational narrative or the religous truths to tell you this. YOU NEED SOME SET OF RULES, SCIENCE CAN SET RULES BTW, BUT FOR A MORAL DECISION YOU NEED A SET OF BEHAVIOURAL RULES, THESE MAY DIFFER FROM SOCIETY TO SOCIETY, FAMILY TO FAMILY AND INDIVIDUAL TO INDIVIDUAL. this has been the big mistake of the last century. the belief that now that we have scientific truths , we can dispense with any sort of "oral tradition" on how to act. IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOUR YOU ARE SEEKING MORAL TRADITION NOT ORAL TRADITION. people just assume they are a force for good. they arent. HMMM...  "THEY" ? the people who worked in the concentration camps, the rwandans who massacred a million people, they arent any different from you and me. I BEG TO DIFFER...  IN MY CASE THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT, AND HAD TO DEAL WITH DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES. and science wont tell you what to do about that. HMMM...  "THAT"? leftie utopians dont like the message of the religious traditions. COMMUNISTS ARE ANTI-RELIGION, MANY LEFTIES ARE RELIGIOUS OR AT LEAST ATTEND CHURCH AND CONSIDER THEMSELVES IN MANY CASES MORALLY SUPERIOR. but the basic message of the judeo christian tradition is that the "truth " is the ultimate good. science grew directly out of this pursuit of the truth. SCIENCE GREW OUT OF A PURSUIT OF UNDERSTANDING.  TRUTH IS NEITHER GOOD NOR BAD IT SIMPLY IS.  IT IS FACT.  MANY CHOOSE TO DENY IT THOUGH EVEN SCIENTISTS. its why the western tradition is different to the beliefs of the aborigine or the aztecs or the zulu. ACTUALLY THERE ARE MANY FACTORS THAT LEAD MEN TO DIFFERENT BELIEFS, BEHAVIOURS COME FROM BOTH NATURE AND NURTURE. but now having gotten to this point, there is a belief that we can just do away with what got us here. thats not going to work. people are anchoring their faith in science but science needs to be tethered to something. it cant float in mid air. MANY PEOPLE PROFESS TO NOT BE RELIGIOUS, TO NOT BELIEVE IN ANY GOD, NOT ALL ARE CAST ADRIFT OR WANDER AIMLESSLY THROUGH LIFE.  HUMANISTS FOLLOW A PHILOSOPHICAL AND ETHICAL STANCE THAT EMPHASISES THE VALUE AND AGENCY OF HUMAN BEINGS, INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY, AND GENERALLY PREFERS CRITICAL THINKING AND EVIDENCE (rationalism and empiricism) OVER ACCEPTANCE OF DOGMA OR SUPERSTITION.  HAVING A CONSCIENCE AND KNOWING RIGHT FROM WRONG INSTINCTIVELY IS A HUMAN QUALITY. and humans have to have a belief system if you dont , you are overwhelmed by complexity and you shut down. CAN'T SAY THAT'S TRUE WE SURVIVE QUITE WELL BEFORE WE DEVELOP ANY BELIEF SYSTEM AS INDIVIDUALS, OUR INDIVIDUAL BELIEF SYSTEMS ARE ALWAYS DEVELOPING, SOMETIMES THEY UNDERGO MAJOR CHANGES.

Nah, nah - there are 63 varieties/genders of truth... there are truths, non-truths, half-truths, core truths, non-core truths... the variation between the latter two being on a sliding scale that brings the number of clear divisions, based on research, polls, tests, and anecdotal evidence (snuckles) and according to sop social 'scientists', up to a total of 63.........   :D

aquascoot wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 9:41am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:00am: Socialism is not communism. the marxists always assume that if given power, they would do it better. thats why they are exactly the sorts of people who shouldnt be given power. and you dont think that part of the lefts motivation is a will for totalitarian control? cause i do  ;) ;)

So does everybody else..... only  I, Benevolent Diktator can do things properly.....

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 2:03pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:41am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:00am: Socialism is not communism. the marxists always assume that if given power, they would do it better. thats why they are exactly the sorts of people who shouldnt be given power. and you dont think that part of the lefts motivation is a will for totalitarian control? cause i do  ;) ;) So does everybody else..... only  I, Benevolent Diktator can do things properly.....

marxists ( and we could say maybe that some of the policies of whitlam, rudd, gillard had their routes in marxism) dont really have enough humility.

they look at something that is failing (say marriages or the aboriginal community or climate or the disability sector or youth unemployment or childcare ) and they think they can tinker in these very very complex systems and that the changes they think up will be positive.

but when you tinker in a complex system, the odds that you will make it better are pretty close to zero .

sure there are problems.

if you are on a jumbo jet and its having a problem, getting a politician to go and "tinker" with the display panel in the cockpit wont help.

and most of the systems that the left and the marxists want to change are a lot more complex then a 747.

its why its so rediculous to see socilaists waving placards calling for radical change .

the likelihood that they have the competance to mess with the economic and social fabric of society and effect positive change is zero .

the leftie utopians cant help you, they should learn some humility  :)

Well history and evidence show that Capitalists/RW politicians also stuff up frequently and on occasions in ways that affect us globally.  Especially those politicians of the Left and Right who are of extreme natures.

You can't seriously look at the constant fiddling with things such as retirement packaging, defence, and so forth that goes on, and say that the 'rightists' don't fiddle with complex systems and cause endless stuff-ups.

It's a disease of politicians as a whole, who generally assume they always know better than the people they represent.  Look what Howard created with LurkChoices, gun control, and a few things related to marriage breakdown, look at what Tony and Joey and Morrissey have added to the boiling pot - bringing the country closer to civil war than ever, as evidenced by the growing disaffection and hostility in the electorate.*

Your Rightie Utopians can't help anyone either... except themselves.. God helps those who help themselves, and they do that mightily.

* "The Revolution was effected before the War commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments of their duties and obligations. This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people, was the real American Revolution."

John Adams
1735-1826, Second President of the USA

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 8^th, 2018 at 9:14am:

You can't seriously look at the constant fiddling with things such as retirement packaging, defence, and so forth that goes on, and say that the 'rightists' don't fiddle with complex systems and cause endless stuff-ups. It's a disease of politicians as a whole, who generally assume they always know better than the people they represent.  Look what Howard created with LurkChoices, gun control, and a few things related to marriage breakdown, look at what Tony and Joey and Morrissey have added to the boiling pot - bringing the country closer to civil war than ever, as evidenced by the growing disaffection and hostility in the electorate.* Your Rightie Utopians can't help anyone either... except themselves.. God helps those who help themselves, and they do that mightily. * "The Revolution was effected before the War commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments of their duties and obligations. This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people, was the real American Revolution." John Adams 1735-1826, Second President of the USA

i agree with that grappler.

its why america has done so well.

their constitution limits, to some degree, the ability of washington to "meddle"

A move desperately needed here.......

aquascoot wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 7:18am:

the meaning of life . what you HAVE to accept. Life is harsh Life is harsh as F*kk. Life is inherently unfair. The great religions and all the heroic mythology upon which the west is built point to these facts. You are going to die There will be pain. It will be one problem after another. Christ and the buddha and the stoics and greek mythology all point to the neccessity of "accepting this" as you cannot transcend it if you wont accept it. What happens if you wont accept it? What happens if you think you can create a "utopia " here on earth. This has been tried in the soviet, in maos china, in vietnam, in cambodia, in north korea. It doesnt work. If you dont accept it , heres what happens. Problems and pain and suffering will be delievered to your doorstep and because you didnt accept it, you will become resentful you will become desperate you will become angry you will become bitter you will become depressed you will become nihilistic. The leftie socialist intellectuals BY NECCESSITY have to reject the ideas of christianity because the hero in the story carried a cross and then got nailed to it. and they cant accept that (and with good reason). and in their non acceptance, they just dig for themselves a bigger hole. because acceptance of pain is neccessary for growth. if you cant accept that their is pain and malevolence in the world (and especially if you dont make your children aware of this) then you are naive and you are raising naive children. and what happens when a naive person encounters pain or evil. they get traumatised in direct proportion to their naivety . i dont know how many spartan boys got PTSD. probably not that many. PTSD is now running at 50 % in our military. because we arent teaching people the true nature of the world. anxiety and depression are running at record rates in young people. because we arent teaching people the true nature of the world. so make sure you embrace the fact that life is tragic and that you must never let this tragedy make you a victim. the left, by rejecting this reality and encouraging victimhood are making people become weaker. and this weakness is a step backwards from an evolutionary perspective. for the first time in the long history of mankind, the species is not evolving but devolving. nature will destroy a species which goes down that route. the nuclear arms race is part of that idea that you can build a utopia where you are safe, but you just need one resentful and bitter person to trash that system and no "belief system" is creating more resentful and bitter people then the current leftie socialist system.

Nailed it...

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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 9:00am:

Socialism is not communism.

yes... who can tell the difference these days...  ::)


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Melbourne council 'bans staff from saying Australia Day' The federal multicultural affairs minister has slammed a move by a Victorian council to prevent staff from referring to January 26 as Australia Day. A controversial Melbourne council has attracted criticism for apparently directing staff not to refer to January 26 as Australia Day. Yarra City Council was last year stripped of its power to hold citizenship ceremonies by the federal government after it scrapped January 26 as the national day, honouring sensitivities of the date to Indigenous Australians. But a January 15 directive from the council chief executive notified staff to refer to the date only as “the January 26 public holiday” in public pronouncements. "Last year, Council made a resolution to change the way we mark our national day on January 26," the bulletin to staff said. "This includes no longer referring to this date as ‘Australia Day’. All staff are asked to use the words ‘January 26 public holiday’ rather than ‘Australia Day public holiday’ when notifying clients or customers of the opening hours of their service or centre on this day." Multicultural Affairs Minister Alan Tudge said it was a ridiculous move. “Labor and Green local councils outbid themselves on how ridiculous they can be on Jan 26th,” he tweeted. “Yarra Council has hit the lead, banning staff from even uttering “Australia Day” on the day.” Fellow federal Victorian Liberal MP Tim Wilson added his voice to the criticism. “This is Orwellian ‘New speak’ stuff. Yarra Council Staff have a duty to defy their Councillors behaving like overlords,” he tweeted. Yarra Councillor Daniel Nguyen in a statement said the directive was to staff to follow protocol for administrative purposes. He said part of the council's August 2017 decision to change the date was to "no longer refer to this day as ‘Australia Day’ and instead refer to it simply as January 26 in all Council communications". "The bulletin did not refer to the way staff may choose to recognise the day in their private lives," Mr Nguyen said. "It provided advice to staff to ensure the intent of Council’s decision is reflected when preparing official communications from Council." The council was not trying to cancel the public holiday, he added. "We encourage people to commemorate the day in any way they choose," Mr Nguyen said. "What we are hoping to do is get people thinking about the issue and make a collective effort to acknowledge that this date causes pain and sadness for many Aboriginal people and the impacts continue to be felt to this day."

once again Greens/Labor governments (no matter how minor) given the chance... will enforce censorship on us all and take away our freedoms.. and our Country...

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 8^th, 2018 at 11:31am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:00am: Socialism is not communism. yes... who can tell the difference these days...  ::)

Those who actually read can.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 8^th, 2018 at 11:31am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:00am: Socialism is not communism. yes... who can tell the difference these days...

Yes folks: The Mechanic really did say that.

You should try a factual rebuttal for a change TROLL, not your normal crap.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 7:18am:

the meaning of life . what you HAVE to accept. Life is harsh Life is harsh as F*kk. Life is inherently unfair. The great religions and all the heroic mythology upon which the west is built point to these facts. You are going to die There will be pain. It will be one problem after another. Christ and the buddha and the stoics and greek mythology all point to the neccessity of "accepting this" as you cannot transcend it if you wont accept it. What happens if you wont accept it? What happens if you think you can create a "utopia " here on earth. This has been tried in the soviet, in maos china, in vietnam, in cambodia, in north korea. It doesnt work. If you dont accept it , heres what happens. Problems and pain and suffering will be delievered to your doorstep and because you didnt accept it, you will become resentful you will become desperate you will become angry you will become bitter you will become depressed you will become nihilistic. The leftie socialist intellectuals BY NECCESSITY have to reject the ideas of christianity because the hero in the story carried a cross and then got nailed to it. and they cant accept that (and with good reason). and in their non acceptance, they just dig for themselves a bigger hole. because acceptance of pain is neccessary for growth. if you cant accept that their is pain and malevolence in the world (and especially if you dont make your children aware of this) then you are naive and you are raising naive children. and what happens when a naive person encounters pain or evil. they get traumatised in direct proportion to their naivety . i dont know how many spartan boys got PTSD. probably not that many. PTSD is now running at 50 % in our military. because we arent teaching people the true nature of the world. anxiety and depression are running at record rates in young people. because we arent teaching people the true nature of the world. so make sure you embrace the fact that life is tragic and that you must never let this tragedy make you a victim. the left, by rejecting this reality and encouraging victimhood are making people become weaker. and this weakness is a step backwards from an evolutionary perspective. for the first time in the long history of mankind, the species is not evolving but devolving. nature will destroy a species which goes down that route. the nuclear arms race is part of that idea that you can build a utopia where you are safe, but you just need one resentful and bitter person to trash that system and no "belief system" is creating more resentful and bitter people then the current leftie socialist system.

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