The oceans cannot cope with the plastic bags alone.
We are doomed.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 10:43pm:

The oceans cannot cope with the plastic bags alone. We are doomed.

Don't worry, this 'quantum computer' will make us all redundant and it does not care about plastic bags.  We won't exist it seems.

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 10:51pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 10:43pm: The oceans cannot cope with the plastic bags alone. We are doomed. Don't worry, this 'quantum computer' will make us all redundant and it does not care about plastic bags.  We won't exist it seems.

What about the fish!

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 11:02pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 10:51pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 10:43pm: The oceans cannot cope with the plastic bags alone. We are doomed. Don't worry, this 'quantum computer' will make us all redundant and it does not care about plastic bags.  We won't exist it seems. What about the fish!

They'll be able to play hide'n'seek with the sharks.

lee wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 11:10pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 11:02pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 10:51pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 10:43pm: The oceans cannot cope with the plastic bags alone. We are doomed. Don't worry, this 'quantum computer' will make us all redundant and it does not care about plastic bags.  We won't exist it seems. What about the fish! They'll be able to play hide'n'seek with the sharks.

Yes, the can hide behind the oil slicks still floating around from the Exel Vondez.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 11:16pm:

lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 11:10pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 11:02pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 10:51pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 10:43pm: The oceans cannot cope with the plastic bags alone. We are doomed. Don't worry, this 'quantum computer' will make us all redundant and it does not care about plastic bags.  We won't exist it seems. What about the fish! They'll be able to play hide'n'seek with the sharks. Yes, the can hide behind the oil slicks still floating around from the Exel Vondez.

Or the plastic islands in the pacific.
https://response.restoration.noaa.gov/about/media/how-big-great-pacific-garbage-patch-science-vs-myth.html

Setanta wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 11:38pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 11:16pm: lee wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 11:10pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 11:02pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 10:51pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 10:43pm: The oceans cannot cope with the plastic bags alone. We are doomed. Don't worry, this 'quantum computer' will make us all redundant and it does not care about plastic bags.  We won't exist it seems. What about the fish! They'll be able to play hide'n'seek with the sharks. Yes, the can hide behind the oil slicks still floating around from the Exel Vondez. Or the plastic islands in the pacific. https://response.restoration.noaa.gov/about/media/how-big-great-pacific-garbage-patch-science-vs-myth.html

When you see photographs of this tiny planet from space and think of the billions of tons of crap being spewed into our oceans and atmosphere over the last few hundred years its hard to believe that mother nature can cope.

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I think reduce the population to 4 Billion.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 11:16pm:

Yes, the can hide behind the oil slicks still floating around from the Exel Vondez.

Google shows no hits for what I assume is a ship.

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 10:51pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 10:43pm: The oceans cannot cope with the plastic bags alone. We are doomed. Don't worry, this 'quantum computer' will make us all redundant and it does not care about plastic bags.  We won't exist it seems.

Are you really that thick?

A quantum computer could be used to invent new molecules which act in the exact ways we want them.

Making non porous bags that dissolve after a day in water would be good?

May even clean up the Ganges so you have a nice clean place to swim on your holidays.

lee wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 11:41am:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 11:16pm: Yes, the can hide behind the oil slicks still floating around from the Exel Vondez. Google shows no hits for what I assume is a ship.

It was the Exxon Valdez, my mistake, it spewed 10.8 million US gallons of crude into Prince William Sound Alaska in 1989 and they are still cleaning up, one of the most devastating human caused environmental disasters.
I think they build them a lot better these days but still I wouldn't want one to hit our reef.
These tankers are floating time bombs but much needed for the present, its 2 minutes to midnight anyway so who gives a puck.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 7:30pm:

lee wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 11:41am: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 11:16pm: Yes, the can hide behind the oil slicks still floating around from the Exel Vondez. Google shows no hits for what I assume is a ship. It was the Exxon Valdez, my mistake, it spewed 10.8 million US gallons of crude into Prince William Sound Alaska in 1989 and they are still cleaning up, one of the most devastating human caused environmental disasters. I think they build them a lot better these days but still I wouldn't want one to hit our reef. These tankers are floating time bombs but much needed for the present, its 2 minutes to midnight anyway so who gives a puck.

Do you run a car?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:30pm: lee wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 11:41am: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 11:16pm: Yes, the can hide behind the oil slicks still floating around from the Exel Vondez. Google shows no hits for what I assume is a ship. It was the Exxon Valdez, my mistake, it spewed 10.8 million US gallons of crude into Prince William Sound Alaska in 1989 and they are still cleaning up, one of the most devastating human caused environmental disasters. I think they build them a lot better these days but still I wouldn't want one to hit our reef. These tankers are floating time bombs but much needed for the present, its 2 minutes to midnight anyway so who gives a puck. Do you run a car?

Yes, and a bike and a 2 stroke boat, I might have to start making my own ethanol, that might help a little.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 7:39pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:32pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:30pm: lee wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 11:41am: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 11:16pm: Yes, the can hide behind the oil slicks still floating around from the Exel Vondez. Google shows no hits for what I assume is a ship. It was the Exxon Valdez, my mistake, it spewed 10.8 million US gallons of crude into Prince William Sound Alaska in 1989 and they are still cleaning up, one of the most devastating human caused environmental disasters. I think they build them a lot better these days but still I wouldn't want one to hit our reef. These tankers are floating time bombs but much needed for the present, its 2 minutes to midnight anyway so who gives a puck. Do you run a car? Yes, and a bike and a 2 stroke boat, I might have to start making my own ethanol, that might help a little.

Well that's why we have tankers. Until we are willing to walk and catch trains  we then won't need so many tankers sailing about.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 7:42pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:39pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:32pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:30pm: lee wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 11:41am: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 11:16pm: Yes, the can hide behind the oil slicks still floating around from the Exel Vondez. Google shows no hits for what I assume is a ship. It was the Exxon Valdez, my mistake, it spewed 10.8 million US gallons of crude into Prince William Sound Alaska in 1989 and they are still cleaning up, one of the most devastating human caused environmental disasters. I think they build them a lot better these days but still I wouldn't want one to hit our reef. These tankers are floating time bombs but much needed for the present, its 2 minutes to midnight anyway so who gives a puck. Do you run a car? Yes, and a bike and a 2 stroke boat, I might have to start making my own ethanol, that might help a little. Well that's why we have tankers. Until we are willing to walk and catch trains  we then won't need so many tankers sailing about.

I would have to put a paper bag over my head to mix with the commoners and catch public transport.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 7:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:42pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:39pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:32pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:30pm: lee wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 11:41am: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 11:16pm: Yes, the can hide behind the oil slicks still floating around from the Exel Vondez. Google shows no hits for what I assume is a ship. It was the Exxon Valdez, my mistake, it spewed 10.8 million US gallons of crude into Prince William Sound Alaska in 1989 and they are still cleaning up, one of the most devastating human caused environmental disasters. I think they build them a lot better these days but still I wouldn't want one to hit our reef. These tankers are floating time bombs but much needed for the present, its 2 minutes to midnight anyway so who gives a puck. Do you run a car? Yes, and a bike and a 2 stroke boat, I might have to start making my own ethanol, that might help a little. Well that's why we have tankers. Until we are willing to walk and catch trains  we then won't need so many tankers sailing about. I would have to put a paper bag over my head to mix with the commoners and catch public transport.

Without cars we are stuffed. Mad Max and mad Max 2 might be the most prophetic movies ever made. The worlds certainly going to change when oil starts running out.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 7:53pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:47pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:42pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:39pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:32pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:30pm: lee wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 11:41am: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 11:16pm: Yes, the can hide behind the oil slicks still floating around from the Exel Vondez. Google shows no hits for what I assume is a ship. It was the Exxon Valdez, my mistake, it spewed 10.8 million US gallons of crude into Prince William Sound Alaska in 1989 and they are still cleaning up, one of the most devastating human caused environmental disasters. I think they build them a lot better these days but still I wouldn't want one to hit our reef. These tankers are floating time bombs but much needed for the present, its 2 minutes to midnight anyway so who gives a puck. Do you run a car? Yes, and a bike and a 2 stroke boat, I might have to start making my own ethanol, that might help a little. Well that's why we have tankers. Until we are willing to walk and catch trains  we then won't need so many tankers sailing about. I would have to put a paper bag over my head to mix with the commoners and catch public transport. Without cars we are stuffed. Mad Max and mad Max 2 might be the most prophetic movies ever made. The worlds certainly going to change when oil starts running out.

Yep, prepare for the Mad Max era, fuel does not keep that well and it will be every man for them self, dog eat dog, take no prisoners, kill or be killed.
Gold, black gold that is!

Johnnie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 7:39pm:

Yes, and a bike and a 2 stroke boat, I might have to start making my own ethanol, that might help a little.

Yeah. Check your fuel pump regularly.

lee wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 8:30pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:39pm: Yes, and a bike and a 2 stroke boat, I might have to start making my own ethanol, that might help a little. Yeah. Check your fuel pump regularly.

Run a bit of regular through it every now and and mix the ethanol with a bit of regular as well will help, I knew someone who used a still to run his V8 holden ute this way, blow flies and all went into his still.

Maybe we could get butt plugs for the billions of cattle that fart methane in the world eh? ::) ::) ::)

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 3:29am:

I think reduce the population to 4 Billion.

There needs to be some sort of birth control applied to the world.
The population is increasing exponentially.
Maybe the United Nations can do something?

Rich countries have a lower birth rate. That is, in part, because of lower infant mortality rates, increased longevity.

So the way to make it happen is to give them low cost electricity. Low cost electricity can be used for hospitals, training, better health standards. There then is no longer a need for a higher birth rate.

At this point in time low cost despatchable electricity is the province of fossil fuels, hydro and nuclear.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 3:29am:

I think reduce the population to 4 Billion.

Take out the third world to reduce it to 4 billion. The first world can maintain their numbers.

Grendel wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 9:09pm:

Maybe we could get butt plugs for the billions of cattle that fart methane in the world eh? ::) ::) ::)

That would be very cruel, they would all blow up!
We all should start eating rice, after all much of the worlds population survive on this stuff and it doesn't seem to do them any harm, if they could genetically modify it to taste like a t bone steak it would be a win win.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 27^th, 2018 at 3:00am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 3:29am: I think reduce the population to 4 Billion. Take out the third world to reduce it to 4 billion. The first world can maintain their numbers.

And how do you propose to do that?

lee wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 10:28pm:

Rich countries have a lower birth rate. That is, in part, because of lower infant mortality rates, increased longevity. So the way to make it happen is to give them low cost electricity. Low cost electricity can be used for hospitals, training, better health standards. There then is no longer a need for a higher birth rate. At this point in time low cost despatchable electricity is the province of fossil fuels, hydro and nuclear.

Heavily patriarchal societies also have higher birthrate.
In the Middle East, women are there to pop out kids.

We need more nuclear reactors.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 27^th, 2018 at 11:48am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 27th, 2018 at 3:00am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 3:29am: I think reduce the population to 4 Billion. Take out the third world to reduce it to 4 billion. The first world can maintain their numbers. And how do you propose to do that?

Heavy birth control and women's rights movements throughout the Middle East, Africa, and Asia. Demonising of Middle Eastern values that impede women's rights and responsibilities.

lee wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 10:28pm:

Rich countries have a lower birth rate. That is, in part, because of lower infant mortality rates, increased longevity. So the way to make it happen is to give them low cost electricity. Low cost electricity can be used for hospitals, training, better health standards. There then is no longer a need for a higher birth rate. At this point in time low cost despatchable electricity is the province of fossil fuels, hydro and nuclear.

Third world societies need to reduce their birth rates in order to attain higher standards of living. First world countries moving their industries to third world societies will lead to third world countries reducing their birth rates as they find that they need to decide between having a refrigerator or having another child. Third world materialism will take place to a point where they will make the decision to be careful how many children they have.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 8:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:53pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:47pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:42pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:39pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:32pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:30pm: lee wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 11:41am: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 11:16pm: Yes, the can hide behind the oil slicks still floating around from the Exel Vondez. Google shows no hits for what I assume is a ship. It was the Exxon Valdez, my mistake, it spewed 10.8 million US gallons of crude into Prince William Sound Alaska in 1989 and they are still cleaning up, one of the most devastating human caused environmental disasters. I think they build them a lot better these days but still I wouldn't want one to hit our reef. These tankers are floating time bombs but much needed for the present, its 2 minutes to midnight anyway so who gives a puck. Do you run a car? Yes, and a bike and a 2 stroke boat, I might have to start making my own ethanol, that might help a little. Well that's why we have tankers. Until we are willing to walk and catch trains  we then won't need so many tankers sailing about. I would have to put a paper bag over my head to mix with the commoners and catch public transport. Without cars we are stuffed. Mad Max and mad Max 2 might be the most prophetic movies ever made. The worlds certainly going to change when oil starts running out. Yep, prepare for the Mad Max era, fuel does not keep that well and it will be every man for them self, dog eat dog, take no prisoners, kill or be killed. Gold, black gold that is!

this planet has free energy technology .. proven fact

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1354703235/105

Global Free Energy Imminent

so your hypothesis is a pursuit of fear in illusionary concepts

yet divine love remains within all hearts

and so be it

namaste

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UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 27^th, 2018 at 4:27pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 27th, 2018 at 11:48am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 27th, 2018 at 3:00am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 3:29am: I think reduce the population to 4 Billion. Take out the third world to reduce it to 4 billion. The first world can maintain their numbers. And how do you propose to do that? Heavy birth control and women's rights movements throughout the Middle East, Africa, and Asia. Demonising of Middle Eastern values that impede women's rights and responsibilities.

That wouldn't "take out" the third world. At the very best it would reduce third world population growth.

So tell us, In regards to world population, how do you propose to take out the third world to reduce it to 4 billion?

Oh, ffs. I did not mean it literally that we "take out" the Third World as in destroying or removing the Third World. I was talking a hypothetical removal of Third World society.

Realistically, the Third World needs a drastic cut in their birth rate. A cut of more than half their birth rate before we see any signs of the Third World populations going backward. If the Third World societies had women averaging 3 children each, then we would not see a population explosion going on in African, certain Middle Eastern and some Asian societies.

War, famine, disease, and overcrowding would fade away if women made or were allowed to make the tough choices in Third World societies to not have more than 3 children. War, famine, and disease already make quite a dent in population numbers. However, women having more than 6 children each in African societies still force their numbers higher.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 27^th, 2018 at 3:00am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 3:29am: I think reduce the population to 4 Billion. Take out the third world to reduce it to 4 billion. The first world can maintain their numbers.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 28^th, 2018 at 10:03pm:

Oh, ffs. I did not mean it literally that we "take out" the Third World as in destroying or removing the Third World. I was talking a hypothetical removal of Third World society.

Sounds to me like you are back peddling

When I say something like "take out the third world to reduce it to 4 billion", do you SERIOUSLY believe that I meant removing the third world numbers by way of killing them off some way? I did mean "take out the third world" in terms of focus our attention on reducing the third world numbers.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 29^th, 2018 at 8:57pm:

When I say something like "take out the third world to reduce it to 4 billion", do you SERIOUSLY believe that I meant removing the third world numbers by way of killing them off some way? I did mean "take out the third world" in terms of focus our attention on reducing the third world numbers.

You can reduce their birthrate by increasing their living standard and education but that increases their consumption and pollution.

Better off culling.

Gordon wrote on Jan 29^th, 2018 at 9:58pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 29th, 2018 at 8:57pm: When I say something like "take out the third world to reduce it to 4 billion", do you SERIOUSLY believe that I meant removing the third world numbers by way of killing them off some way? I did mean "take out the third world" in terms of focus our attention on reducing the third world numbers. You can reduce their birthrate by increasing their living standard and education but that increases their consumption and pollution. Better off culling.

Some days I just look at the news and wonder how well a few nuclear detonations would go for the world if they took place in the third world. Then I come back to reality and wonder if they are ever going to change their ways. Increased standards of living will only happen through women having the right to say "no". "No" to having large families. "No" to being raped. Then their menfolk will have to accept the answer.