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Acts of violence everywhere.

The Religion of Peace.

It really is time for the West to quietly move these people back to the Middle East before things get worse.

Thanks, Donald      ::)

Milo just compared the Holy Works of Islam to Hitler's Mein Kampf ... and here we see a Muslim in Amsterdam (Anne Frank) doing a 'Kristallnacht' on a Jewish shop.

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History repeating itself because the luvvies let the West's enemies in through the national gates to colonise the suburbs and become an alien force that religiously hates our guts.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 2:35pm:

Thanks, Donald      ::)

Yeah, because those Arabs betas have the mental age of 3 so violent dummy spits are the only reaction they have.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 2:30pm:

link Acts of violence everywhere. The Religion of Peace. It really is time for the West to quietly move these people back to the Middle East before things get worse.

Kill them. Deport the families.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 2:54pm:

Milo just compared the Holy Works of Islam to Hitler's Mein Kampf ... and here we see a Muslim in Amsterdam (Anne Frank) doing a 'Kristallnacht' on a Jewish shop. link History repeating itself because the luvvies let the West's enemies in through the national gates to colonise the suburbs and become an alien force that religiously hates our guts.

The link does not work Herbert, do you have one that does?

Karnal wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 2:30pm: link Acts of violence everywhere. The Religion of Peace. It really is time for the West to quietly move these people back to the Middle East before things get worse. Kill them. Deport the families.

You're supposed to say:

"And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they've turned you out...."

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 2:30pm:

It really is time for the West to quietly move these people back to the Middle East before things get worse.

So much for their Citizenship Rights, hey, Herbie?

I wonder, when the time is right, will you accept the same fate and go back to China?  Mmmm?    ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 2:35pm:

Thanks, Donald      ::)

It's always America's fault when Muslims turn to violence.

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 2:35pm: Thanks, Donald      ::) It's always America's fault when Muslims turn to violence.

So, it's OK to just invade another country, kill millions of it's population and destroy it's cities instead when another country does something you disagree with, FD?  But it's not OK to get angry when Washington decides to recognise another nation's capital which the Palestinians also hold to be their capital?   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:16pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 7:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 2:35pm: Thanks, Donald      ::) It's always America's fault when Muslims turn to violence. So, it's OK to just invade another country, kill millions of it's population and destroy it's cities instead when another country does something you disagree with, FD?  But it's not OK to get angry when Washington decides to recognise another nation's capital which the Palestinians also hold to be their capital?   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

It's Trump's fault this Muslim guy picked up a piece of wood and started smashing the windows of Jewish restaurants.

Thanks Trump.

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 2:35pm: Thanks, Donald      ::) It's always America's fault when Muslims turn to violence.

That is just so much the moral coward's knee-jerk reaction to not having to blame the Muslims themselves.

Justsayno wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:39pm:

The link does not work Herbert, do you have one that does?

Oops! I'll see what I can do.

link

"Allahu Akbar!"

Europe needs to bring back the SS for a couple of years to clean things up, but not the Jews this time.

A no-nonsense approach to the Muslim invasion of the West needs to be implemented by the sort of military units that are trained to flush out society's enemies from their hiding places and bolt-holes.

Sturdy lads like these .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t7OYinX4pw

Doesn't surprise me. But what we really need is a full-on confrontation with Islam, not this pissy arsed stuff.

Auggie wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 5:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 5:38pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 2:30pm: link Acts of violence everywhere. The Religion of Peace. It really is time for the West to quietly move these people back to the Middle East before things get worse. Kill them. Deport the families. You're supposed to say: "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they've turned you out...."

"... But if they ask for sanctuary, give it unto them."

Yes yes, I know.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:48pm:

Justsayno wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 5:39pm: The link does not work Herbert, do you have one that does? Oops! I'll see what I can do. link "Allahu Akbar!" Europe needs to bring back the SS for a couple of years to clean things up, but not the Jews this time. A no-nonsense approach to the Muslim invasion of the West needs to be implemented by the sort of military units that are trained to flush out society's enemies from their hiding places and bolt-holes. Sturdy lads like these ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t7OYinX4pw

Much better. This is exactly the reason FD set up this site.

Blood and fire.

issuevoter wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 9:41pm:

Doesn't surprise me. But what we really need is a full-on confrontation with Islam, not this pissy arsed stuff.

We need to sort them out one by one. In Britain they know there are 35,000 Muslims who are a risk to public safety ~ and so WHY are these 35,000 not being interned for gradual deportation back to their parent's country of origin?

No guts, no backbone, no balls have the politicians there. It's all Cultural Marxism that is their Instruction Book ~ no one must be offended or thought less worthy than the best of us. Ignore any elephants that might be in the room.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 9:32am:

issuevoter wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 9:41pm: Doesn't surprise me. But what we really need is a full-on confrontation with Islam, not this pissy arsed stuff. We need to sort them out one by one. In Britain they know there are 35,000 Muslims who are a risk to public safety ~ and so WHY are these 35,000 not being interned for gradual deportation back to their parent's country of origin? No guts, no backbone, no balls have the politicians there. It's all Cultural Marxism that is their Instruction Book ~ no one must be offended or thought less worthy than the best of us. Ignore any elephants that might be in the room.

Exactly. The reason citizens aren't being dent to foreign countries without a visa is Cultural Marxism.

Good point, Herbie.

I see the name 'Karnal' and then don't read the post.

I find Smart alecs to be conceited bores with their hand on their pricks most of the time.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

I see the name 'Karnal' and then don't read the post.

Oh, yes you do.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 9:32am:

issuevoter wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 9:41pm: Doesn't surprise me. But what we really need is a full-on confrontation with Islam, not this pissy arsed stuff. We need to sort them out one by one. In Britain they know there are 35,000 Muslims who are a risk to public safety ~ and so WHY are these 35,000 not being interned for gradual deportation back to their parent's country of origin?

Errr, could it be, Herbie 'cause they are UK citizens?  Nah, of course not, ethnicity/religion always trumps citizenship in your mind, doesn't it?   Looking forward to your trip home to China then?  'cause in the fullness of time, it will be your turn, as you're Chinese by birth, now aren't you, Herbie?   Tsk, tsk.   ::)


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No guts, no backbone, no balls have the politicians there. It's all Cultural Marxism that is their Instruction Book ~ no one must be offended or thought less worthy than the best of us. Ignore any elephants that might be in the room.

Says the person who has never come an Australian citizen, likes to dictate to Australian society how it should live and doesn't recognise his real allegiance to China, hey, Herbie?  Tsk, tsk, such a silly sausage.  How is your Metropolitan Police Pension going, by the way?   Afterall, you once claimed you were a Detective Inspector in London at the age of 19, now didn't you?     ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 2:04pm:

Nah, of course not, ethnicity/religion always trumps citizenship in your mind, doesn't it?

Always.

A white British media interviewer has just now thrust a microphone in front of the Pakistani Muslim mayor of London's nose while he was 'visiting' Pakistan to ask him if arriving in Pakistan felt to him like he was returning home.

"Oh hell no! Britain is my home .... "

Yeah, riiiiiight, Sadiq.

Needless to say he's a Pakistani Muslim through and through. Why do you think he got voted in as mayor of London ~ because of the Anglo-Saxon vote?

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 2:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 2:04pm: Nah, of course not, ethnicity/religion always trumps citizenship in your mind, doesn't it? Always. A white British media interviewer has just now thrust a microphone in front of the Pakistani Muslim mayor of London's nose while he was 'visiting' Pakistan to ask him if arriving in Pakistan felt to him like he was returning home. "Oh hell no! Britain is my home .... " Yeah, riiiiiight, Sadiq. Needless to say he's a Pakistani Muslim through and through. Why do you think he got voted in as mayor of London ~ because of the Anglo-Saxon vote?

So, when are you going home to the PRC, Herbie?  Well?   ::)

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

I see the name 'Karnal' and then don't read the post. I find Smart alecs to be conceited bores with their hand on their pricks most of the time.

Surely that's better than having their hands on someone else's prick - yes?

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 2:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 2:04pm: Nah, of course not, ethnicity/religion always trumps citizenship in your mind, doesn't it? Always. A white British media interviewer has just now thrust a microphone in front of the Pakistani Muslim mayor of London's nose while he was 'visiting' Pakistan to ask him if arriving in Pakistan felt to him like he was returning home. "Oh hell no! Britain is my home .... " Yeah, riiiiiight, Sadiq. Needless to say he's a Pakistani Muslim through and through. Why do you think he got voted in as mayor of London ~ because of the Anglo-Saxon vote?

Here we all were thinking it was the Labour Party vote, but that's just we.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 2:04pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 9:32am: issuevoter wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 9:41pm: Doesn't surprise me. But what we really need is a full-on confrontation with Islam, not this pissy arsed stuff. We need to sort them out one by one. In Britain they know there are 35,000 Muslims who are a risk to public safety ~ and so WHY are these 35,000 not being interned for gradual deportation back to their parent's country of origin? Errr, could it be, Herbie 'cause they are UK citizens?  Nah, of course not, ethnicity/religion always trumps citizenship in your mind, doesn't it?   Looking forward to your trip home to China then?  'cause in the fullness of time, it will be your turn, as you're Chinese by birth, now aren't you, Herbie?   Tsk, tsk.   ::) Quote: No guts, no backbone, no balls have the politicians there. It's all Cultural Marxism that is their Instruction Book ~ no one must be offended or thought less worthy than the best of us. Ignore any elephants that might be in the room. Says the person who has never come an Australian citizen, likes to dictate to Australian society how it should live and doesn't recognise his real allegiance to China, hey, Herbie?  Tsk, tsk, such a silly sausage.  How is your Metropolitan Police Pension going, by the way?   Afterall, you once claimed you were a Detective Inspector in London at the age of 19, now didn't you?     ::) ::)

Now now, Brian, no wacism please. White foreign devils are a race, you know.

Say anything you want about the slit-eyed Chows, but the British are off-limits, okay?

Herbie does have rights, you know.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 3:21pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:08am: I see the name 'Karnal' and then don't read the post. I find Smart alecs to be conceited bores with their hand on their pricks most of the time. Surely that's better than having their hands on someone else's prick - yes?

Naughty naughty, Herbie's already lodged a number of complaints for homersexual vilification.

;D ;D ;D ;D

Looky here, Herb, your fan club's arrived.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 4:54pm:

;D ;D ;D ;D Looky here, Herb, your fan club's arrived.

;D ;D ;D

No wonder I feel persecuted!

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 9^th, 2017 at 5:14pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 4:54pm: ;D ;D ;D ;D Looky here, Herb, your fan club's arrived. ;D ;D ;D No wonder I feel persecuted!

Awwww!

Take one for the team, mate.

While they're busy with you, theyr'e leaving some other poor bastard alone.

freediver wrote on Dec 8^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 7:16pm: freediver wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 7:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 2:35pm: Thanks, Donald      ::) It's always America's fault when Muslims turn to violence. So, it's OK to just invade another country, kill millions of it's population and destroy it's cities instead when another country does something you disagree with, FD?  But it's not OK to get angry when Washington decides to recognise another nation's capital which the Palestinians also hold to be their capital?   Tsk, tsk.   ::) It's Trump's fault this Muslim guy picked up a piece of wood and started smashing the windows of Jewish restaurants. Thanks Trump.

Peaceful protest, init?

Perhaps they will send Trump the Bill.

Now let's see if I've got this right, the white man went to certain lands and took over from the indigenous people, the white man was wrong and should make amendments today for past wrongs.

There is absolutely no doubt that Jerusalem always had and always will have overriding spiritual and physical values and purposes in Jewish culture and religion.

The Jews were removed by superior forces, they came back in 1948 and 1967 to reclaim what was archeologically, spiritually and physically theirs.

But now the leftards have changed their minds, the wrong that was done to the Jews in the past should not be rectified?

moses wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 1:25pm:

Now let's see if I've got this right, the white man went to certain lands and took over from the indigenous people, the white man was wrong and should make amendments today for past wrongs. There is absolutely no doubt that Jerusalem always had and always will have overriding spiritual and physical values and purposes in Jewish culture and religion. The Jews were removed by superior forces, they came back in 1948 and 1967 to reclaim what was archeologically, spiritually and physically theirs. But now the leftards have changed their minds, the wrong that was done to the Jews in the past should not be rectified?

So why isn't it archaeologically, spiritually and physically the Muselman's, Moses?

Apart from you being called Moses, I mean.

moses wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 1:25pm:

Now let's see if I've got this right, the white man went to certain lands and took over from the indigenous people, the white man was wrong and should make amendments today for past wrongs. There is absolutely no doubt that Jerusalem always had and always will have overriding spiritual and physical values and purposes in Jewish culture and religion. The Jews were removed by superior forces, they came back in 1948 and 1967 to reclaim what was archeologically, spiritually and physically theirs. But now the leftards have changed their minds, the wrong that was done to the Jews in the past should not be rectified?

Ah, so the period that the Jews were (largely but not completely) absent from Palestine, from the time of the start of the Diaspora (~132 CE) to it's end in 1948  CE, are meaningless in the annals of Archaeology, Historiography, Religious/Cultural matters?   My, what a nice view you have of such things..  I wonder, Moses, when you are you going to recognise the claims of Indigenous Australians to Australia?  Afterall, the White colonists have only been here for what, just over 200 years?   

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Now let's see if I've got this right, the white man went to certain lands and took over from the indigenous people, the white man was wrong and should make amendments today for past wrongs.

well he has made a start dont you think??...he has now left Africa and it is now in the hands of the original owners.......


any ideas how thats working out?.... ::)


I do not understand why Jerusalem cannot be shared..

there is something wrong with all the blood that is shed over such special place....


the jews and arabs  their history is the same..they are one the same..

cods wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 6:35pm:

Quote: Now let's see if I've got this right, the white man went to certain lands and took over from the indigenous people, the white man was wrong and should make amendments today for past wrongs. well he has made a start dont you think??...he has now left Africa and it is now in the hands of the original owners....... any ideas how thats working out?.... ::) I do not understand why Jerusalem cannot be shared.. there is something wrong with all the blood that is shed over such special place.... the jews and arabs  their history is the same..they are one the same..

It is an interesting question, Cods and one I have considered myself fairly often.  However, both sides claim Jerusalem as their capital and neither will budge.   Tom Clancy had the idea that the Vatican and the Swiss Guard take over security in the city in one of his novels and neither side got it as their capital.   An interesting idea but it assumes that the Vatican is seen as a neutral player in this by both sides and I doubt that they would relinquish their claims to the city.   I once proposed to the newsgroup talk. politics.mideast that instead, the United Nations take it over and furnish a police force for security and law enforcement, as they had in Cyprus.   It gained a lot of comments and support from both sides.   People here are too polarised to discuss such matters seriously, unfortunately.    ::)

freediver wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 12:08am:

Perhaps they will send Trump the Bill.

He could add it to the ones he's never paid.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 5:00pm:

moses wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 1:25pm: Now let's see if I've got this right, the white man went to certain lands and took over from the indigenous people, the white man was wrong and should make amendments today for past wrongs. There is absolutely no doubt that Jerusalem always had and always will have overriding spiritual and physical values and purposes in Jewish culture and religion. The Jews were removed by superior forces, they came back in 1948 and 1967 to reclaim what was archeologically, spiritually and physically theirs. But now the leftards have changed their minds, the wrong that was done to the Jews in the past should not be rectified? Ah, so the period that the Jews were (largely but not completely) absent from Palestine, from the time of the start of the Diaspora (~132 CE) to it's end in 1948  CE, are meaningless in the annals of Archaeology, Historiography, Religious/Cultural matters?   My, what a nice view you have of such things..  I wonder, Moses, when you are you going to recognise the claims of Indigenous Australians to Australia?  Afterall, the White colonists have only been here for what, just over 200 years?

Palestine was created in 1988 you efin person of no repute

Justsayno wrote on Dec 10^th, 2017 at 7:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 5:00pm: moses wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 1:25pm: Now let's see if I've got this right, the white man went to certain lands and took over from the indigenous people, the white man was wrong and should make amendments today for past wrongs. There is absolutely no doubt that Jerusalem always had and always will have overriding spiritual and physical values and purposes in Jewish culture and religion. The Jews were removed by superior forces, they came back in 1948 and 1967 to reclaim what was archeologically, spiritually and physically theirs. But now the leftards have changed their minds, the wrong that was done to the Jews in the past should not be rectified? Ah, so the period that the Jews were (largely but not completely) absent from Palestine, from the time of the start of the Diaspora (~132 CE) to it's end in 1948  CE, are meaningless in the annals of Archaeology, Historiography, Religious/Cultural matters?   My, what a nice view you have of such things..  I wonder, Moses, when you are you going to recognise the claims of Indigenous Australians to Australia?  Afterall, the White colonists have only been here for what, just over 200 years?    Palestine was created in 1988 you efin person of no repute

The region known as Palestine dates back to well before the time of Rome, to the ancient Greeks:


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Palestine (Arabic: فلسطين‎ Filasṭīn, Falasṭīn, Filisṭīn; Greek: Παλαιστίνη, Palaistinē; Latin: Palaestina; Hebrew: פלשתינה Palestina) is a geographic region in Western Asia. It is usually considered to include the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, Israel, and in some definitions, some parts of western Jordan. The name was used by Ancient Greek writers, and it was later used for the Roman province Syria Palaestina, the Byzantine Palaestina Prima, and the Islamic provincial district of Jund Filastin.

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(region)]Source[/url]

Oh, dear, appears you lose out again, JSN.   I really don't know why you bother, I really don't.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

The Jews predate the muslims by thousands of years in Jerusalem.

Why not grant them title to what is historically archeologically spiritually and physically theirs.

The Christian claim is an upshot of Judaism, without the Jews Christianity would never have come into existence.

Without the Jews and Christians islam would never have appeared.

Why is everybody having such a problem with what happened in theses parts thousands of years ago, and is still very much part of today?

The Jews were first, Christianity and islam owe their existence to Judaism, what is wrong with simply telling it as it is?

Oh well leftards and muslims will never agree with the truth so we'll see how it all pans out.


   

How significant is this predation of Muslims by Jews?

To the Jews:
Jerusalem has always been significant as the place of the Holy of Holies, the most sacred site in Judaism.

For Christians:
Jerusalem has always been significant to Christians because of the places there where Jesus ministered and,  where he died and rose again. Jerusalem is the birth place of Christian world.

muslims believe:
It was here that mohammed tied his flying donkey the Al-Buraq, during his alleged night time journey from Mecca to Jerusalem.


Me I'll go with the Jews and Christians as having a more logical claim than muslims and their flying donkey.

I also admit that without Judaism the other two would not exist.

moses wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 12:01pm:

The Jews predate the muslims by thousands of years in Jerusalem.

Yes but they left Jerusalem, by and large when the Romans expelled them from Palestine, Moses.  Please catch up with the history of the region, OK?


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Why not grant them title to what is historically archeologically spiritually and physically theirs.

'cause they have been absent from the region for most of the last ~2000 years?  No, of course not, none of that history occurred, now did it?  No, no, of course not, in Moses, book - The Bible...   ::)


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The Christian claim is an upshot of Judaism, without the Jews Christianity would never have come into existence. Without the Jews and Christians islam would never have appeared. Why is everybody having such a problem with what happened in theses parts thousands of years ago, and is still very much part of today? The Jews were first, Christianity and islam owe their existence to Judaism, what is wrong with simply telling it as it is? Oh well leftards and muslims will never agree with the truth so we'll see how it all pans out.

Perhaps because it ignores ~2000 years of history, Moses?  You know, all that intervening stuff that happened after the Jews were expelled from Palestine by the Romans?   I mean, the Jews rebelled so perhaps they deserved their expulsion?   Perhaps it was just God's way of telling them they had been naughty?   Tsk, tsk.    ::)

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 12:28pm:

How significant is this predation of Muslims by Jews?

~1816 years of significance, Freediver.    ::) ::)

Got a prediction for when the next terrorist attack will occur Brian?

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 4:33pm:

Got a prediction for when the next terrorist attack will occur Brian?

Nope.  You?   Afterall, you seem to know what the Terrorists are thinking...    ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35eEljsSQfc

Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians?

Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::)

Didn't a bunch of Arab countries try to push the jews back into the sea a bunch of times?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::)

Er... somebody declared war on Israel in 1948, just as it was declared. And then the same people started a few more wars. 

Still Israel has 17.6% Muslim population. Muslims are in the Army, parliament, universities, police.  Muslims are freer in Israel than in any of the surrounding Arab countries.


How many peace agreements have the Pallos walked away from? How many opportunities did they let pass just so they can continue to thrive for a Judenrein Middle East, cleansed of Jews like all the other Arab countries?  But they never walk away from a opportunity to go completely apesh!t and violent.

And Jerusalem IS the capital of Israel, that's where its parliament is, that's where its main government offices are.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::)

The above was copied by a googlebot  ::) ::)Brian_Ross::) ::)

Golda Meir stated the truth.
There were no such thing as Palestinians. When was there an independent Palestinian people with a Palestinian state? It was either southern Syria before the First World War, and then it was a Palestine including Jordan. It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them. They did not exist.

Brian Ross only knows how to google.

What a trollop you are Brian Ross.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 5:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Didn't a bunch of Arab countries try to push the jews back into the sea a bunch of times?

In the past, yes, they did.  The Israelis defeated them.   However, today, it seems the Israelis are intent on ethnically cleansing Eretz Israel (Greater Israel) or Palestine as it's known.   The Arabs have learnt their lessons, they have recognised Israel, signed peace treaties with them.  However that doesn't appear to be sufficient for the Zionists.  They want all of Palestine.  They don't want the Palestinians.   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

ill allah wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 7:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) The above was copied by a googlebot  ::) ::)Brian_Ross::) ::) Golda Meir stated the truth. There were no such thing as Palestinians. When was there an independent Palestinian people with a Palestinian state? It was either southern Syria before the First World War, and then it was a Palestine including Jordan. It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them. They did not exist. Brian Ross only knows how to google. What a trollop you are Brian Ross.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Another of Matty's socks.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 7:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Didn't a bunch of Arab countries try to push the jews back into the sea a bunch of times? In the past, yes, they did.  The Israelis defeated them.   However, today, it seems the Israelis are intent on ethnically cleansing Eretz Israel (Greater Israel) or Palestine as it's known.   The Arabs have learnt their lessons, they have recognised Israel, signed peace treaties with them.  However that doesn't appear to be sufficient for the Zionists.  They want all of Palestine.  They don't want the Palestinians.   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Learnt their lessons? The only lesson the Arabs  learnt was they couldn't wipe out the jews. If everybody is hostile around you Brian there's no other choice but to separate hey? When the Jews had open borders they were getting the crap bombed out of them. Why would they ask for that again?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 7:59pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Another of Matty's socks.  Tsk, tsk

Sent to a mod.

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 6:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Er... somebody declared war on Israel in 1948, just as it was declared. And then the same people started a few more wars.  Still Israel has 17.6% Muslim population. Muslims are in the Army, parliament, universities, police.  Muslims are freer in Israel than in any of the surrounding Arab countries. How many peace agreements have the Pallos walked away from? How many opportunities did they let pass just so they can continue to thrive for a Judenrein Middle East, cleansed of Jews like all the other Arab countries?  But they never walk away from a opportunity to go completely apesh!t and violent. And Jerusalem IS the capital of Israel, that's where its parliament is, that's where its main government offices are.

Jerusalem is also the capital of Palestine, Soren.

Israel has a minority who are Muslim.  Some are Palestinians in origin.   Moshe Dayan back in the late 1960s wrote a very interesting article about the differences between the Israeli attitude towards the Palestinians and the US attitude towards the South Vietnamese.   He felt the biggest failing of the Israelis was their failure to create a true multi-religious, multi-ethnic, multicultural state.   They failed to conscript the Muslims within Israel to make them a part of Israeli society and instead chose to make Israel an exclusively Jewish state, where only Jews had the full rights and responsibilities of citizenship.   This he felt set the Palestinians always against the Jews and the Jews always against the Palestinians.    The US OTOH conscripted the South Vietnamese, they set up a proper Vietnamese state (well in name only, really) and they had the Vietnamese fighting for their own freedom.

There are bugger all Muslims serving in the Israeli Defence Forces, Soren.   Only one group is conscripted.  Today, the Jews are having problems even getting Jews to serve their conscription.  Ultra-Orthodox Seminary Students are traditional saved from serving in the IDF.   Today, the numbers of such students have sky-rocketed.   There were riots the other week when Israeli police turned up to grab those they didn't consider genuine Seminary Students.   ::)

ill allah wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 7:59pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Another of Matty's socks.  Tsk, tsk Sent to a mod.

For bringing family members into the forum.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Some are Palestinians in origin.

The area was named by the romans. you understand the term 'named' the people who live there now are not arabs they are cross breeds of turks and egyptians.

By your God you are thick.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 6:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Er... somebody declared war on Israel in 1948, just as it was declared. And then the same people started a few more wars.  Still Israel has 17.6% Muslim population. Muslims are in the Army, parliament, universities, police.  Muslims are freer in Israel than in any of the surrounding Arab countries. How many peace agreements have the Pallos walked away from? How many opportunities did they let pass just so they can continue to thrive for a Judenrein Middle East, cleansed of Jews like all the other Arab countries?  But they never walk away from a opportunity to go completely apesh!t and violent. And Jerusalem IS the capital of Israel, that's where its parliament is, that's where its main government offices are. Jerusalem is also the capital of Palestine, Soren.

Palestine?  Is that a recognised country now?

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:02pm:

Learnt their lessons? The only lesson the Arabs  learnt was they couldn't wipe out the jews. If everybody is hostile around you Brian there's no other choice but to separate hey? When the Jews had open borders they were getting the crap bombed out of them. Why would they ask for that again?

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, Hammer.  Yes, they have learnt their lessons.   However, the only difference between the Palestinian bombs and the Israeli bombs is how they are guided to their target.  Innocent civilians ended up dead on both sides.

The Israelis have never had "open borders" as far as their Immigration policies go.  They only accept Jews for migration.  No Palestinians, no Muslims, no Christians.  No one except Jews is allowed to migrate to Israel and become a citizen.   Every Jew has an automatic right of return to Israel.  Palestinians?  No chance.   ::)

ill allah wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:12pm:

ill allah wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 8:05pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 7:59pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Another of Matty's socks.  Tsk, tsk Sent to a mod. For bringing family members into the forum.

Really?  Whom?  Matty?  Is he a relative of yours?   My, how interesting.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 8:02pm: Learnt their lessons? The only lesson the Arabs  learnt was they couldn't wipe out the jews. If everybody is hostile around you Brian there's no other choice but to separate hey? When the Jews had open borders they were getting the crap bombed out of them. Why would they ask for that again? Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, Hammer.  Yes, they have learnt their lessons.   However, the only difference between the Palestinian bombs and the Israeli bombs is how they are guided to their target.  Innocent civilians ended up dead on both sides. The Israelis have never had "open borders" as far as their Immigration policies go.  They only accept Jews for migration.  No Palestinians, no Muslims, no Christians.  No one except Jews is allowed to migrate to Israel and become a citizen.   Every Jew has an automatic right of return to Israel.  Palestinians?  No chance.   ::)

Maybe that's the problem? Two sets of people who don't accept others?

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 9:45pm: [quote author=Mr_Hammer link=1512707405/54#54 date=1512986550] Learnt their lessons? The only lesson the Arabs  learnt was they couldn't wipe out the jews. If everybody is hostile around you Brian there's no other choice but to separate hey? When the Jews had open borders they were getting the crap bombed out of them. Why would they ask for that again? Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, Hammer.  Yes, they have learnt their lessons.   However, the only difference between the Palestinian bombs and the Israeli bombs is how they are guided to their target.  Innocent civilians ended up dead on both sides. The Israelis have never had "open borders" as far as their Immigration policies go.  They only accept Jews for migration.  No Palestinians, no Muslims, no Christians.  No one except Jews is allowed to migrate to Israel and become a citizen.   Every Jew has an automatic right of return to Israel.  Palestinians?  No chance.   ::)

Maybe that's the problem? Two sets of people who don't accept others living side by side.

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Frank wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 6:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Er... somebody declared war on Israel in 1948, just as it was declared. And then the same people started a few more wars.  Still Israel has 17.6% Muslim population. Muslims are in the Army, parliament, universities, police.  Muslims are freer in Israel than in any of the surrounding Arab countries. How many peace agreements have the Pallos walked away from? How many opportunities did they let pass just so they can continue to thrive for a Judenrein Middle East, cleansed of Jews like all the other Arab countries?  But they never walk away from a opportunity to go completely apesh!t and violent. And Jerusalem IS the capital of Israel, that's where its parliament is, that's where its main government offices are. Jerusalem is also the capital of Palestine, Soren. Palestine?  Is that a recognised country now?

Yes.  138 Nations recognise Palestine as a nation. Soren.  My goodness, your Islamophobia really does blind you to so much, doesn't it?   ::)

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 9:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 9:45pm: [quote author=Mr_Hammer link=1512707405/54#54 date=1512986550] Learnt their lessons? The only lesson the Arabs  learnt was they couldn't wipe out the jews. If everybody is hostile around you Brian there's no other choice but to separate hey? When the Jews had open borders they were getting the crap bombed out of them. Why would they ask for that again? Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, Hammer.  Yes, they have learnt their lessons.   However, the only difference between the Palestinian bombs and the Israeli bombs is how they are guided to their target.  Innocent civilians ended up dead on both sides. The Israelis have never had "open borders" as far as their Immigration policies go.  They only accept Jews for migration.  No Palestinians, no Muslims, no Christians.  No one except Jews is allowed to migrate to Israel and become a citizen.   Every Jew has an automatic right of return to Israel.  Palestinians?  No chance.   ::) Maybe that's the problem? Two sets of people who don't accept others living side by side.

Funny, they seem to live relatively peacefully, side-by-side today.  What about the Palestinians who live in Israel?   They seem to get along with their Israeli neighbours reasonably well, Hammer.   Tsk, tsk, tripped up by reality again, hey?   ::)

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 9:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 9:45pm: [quote author=Mr_Hammer link=1512707405/54#54 date=1512986550] Learnt their lessons? The only lesson the Arabs  learnt was they couldn't wipe out the jews. If everybody is hostile around you Brian there's no other choice but to separate hey? When the Jews had open borders they were getting the crap bombed out of them. Why would they ask for that again? Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, Hammer.  Yes, they have learnt their lessons.   However, the only difference between the Palestinian bombs and the Israeli bombs is how they are guided to their target.  Innocent civilians ended up dead on both sides. The Israelis have never had "open borders" as far as their Immigration policies go.  They only accept Jews for migration.  No Palestinians, no Muslims, no Christians.  No one except Jews is allowed to migrate to Israel and become a citizen.   Every Jew has an automatic right of return to Israel.  Palestinians?  No chance.   ::) Maybe that's the problem? Two sets of people who don't accept others living side by side.

Funny, they seem to live relatively peacefully, side-by-side today.  What about the Palestinians who live in Israel?   They seem to get along with their Israeli neighbours reasonably well, Hammer.   Tsk, tsk, tripped up by reality again, hey?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 10:01pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 9:52pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 9:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 9:45pm: [quote author=Mr_Hammer link=1512707405/54#54 date=1512986550] Learnt their lessons? The only lesson the Arabs  learnt was they couldn't wipe out the jews. If everybody is hostile around you Brian there's no other choice but to separate hey? When the Jews had open borders they were getting the crap bombed out of them. Why would they ask for that again? Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, Hammer.  Yes, they have learnt their lessons.   However, the only difference between the Palestinian bombs and the Israeli bombs is how they are guided to their target.  Innocent civilians ended up dead on both sides. The Israelis have never had "open borders" as far as their Immigration policies go.  They only accept Jews for migration.  No Palestinians, no Muslims, no Christians.  No one except Jews is allowed to migrate to Israel and become a citizen.   Every Jew has an automatic right of return to Israel.  Palestinians?  No chance.   ::) Maybe that's the problem? Two sets of people who don't accept others living side by side. Funny, they seem to live relatively peacefully, side-by-side today.  What about the Palestinians who live in Israel?   They seem to get along with their Israeli neighbours reasonably well, Hammer.   Tsk, tsk, tripped up by reality again, hey?   ::)

So now they get along? ;D ;D

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 10:01pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 9:52pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 9:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 9:45pm: [quote author=Mr_Hammer link=1512707405/54#54 date=1512986550] Learnt their lessons? The only lesson the Arabs  learnt was they couldn't wipe out the jews. If everybody is hostile around you Brian there's no other choice but to separate hey? When the Jews had open borders they were getting the crap bombed out of them. Why would they ask for that again? Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, Hammer.  Yes, they have learnt their lessons.   However, the only difference between the Palestinian bombs and the Israeli bombs is how they are guided to their target.  Innocent civilians ended up dead on both sides. The Israelis have never had "open borders" as far as their Immigration policies go.  They only accept Jews for migration.  No Palestinians, no Muslims, no Christians.  No one except Jews is allowed to migrate to Israel and become a citizen.   Every Jew has an automatic right of return to Israel.  Palestinians?  No chance.   ::) Maybe that's the problem? Two sets of people who don't accept others living side by side. Funny, they seem to live relatively peacefully, side-by-side today.  What about the Palestinians who live in Israel?   They seem to get along with their Israeli neighbours reasonably well, Hammer.   Tsk, tsk, tripped up by reality again, hey?   ::) So now they get along? ;D ;D

Much better than you appear to assume.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 8:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Frank wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 6:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Er... somebody declared war on Israel in 1948, just as it was declared. And then the same people started a few more wars.  Still Israel has 17.6% Muslim population. Muslims are in the Army, parliament, universities, police.  Muslims are freer in Israel than in any of the surrounding Arab countries. How many peace agreements have the Pallos walked away from? How many opportunities did they let pass just so they can continue to thrive for a Judenrein Middle East, cleansed of Jews like all the other Arab countries?  But they never walk away from a opportunity to go completely apesh!t and violent. And Jerusalem IS the capital of Israel, that's where its parliament is, that's where its main government offices are. Jerusalem is also the capital of Palestine, Soren. Palestine?  Is that a recognised country now? Yes.  138 Nations recognise Palestine as a nation. Soren.  My goodness, your Islamophobia really does blind you to so much, doesn't it?   ::)

Most of them are only 'nations'. Most real nations don't.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::)

Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country.

Brian Ross Reply #43 - Yesterday at 4:30pm


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Yes but they left Jerusalem, by and large when the Romans expelled them from Palestine, Moses.  Please catch up with the history of the region, OK?

Did you say catch up?

Gee I mean who has control right here and right now?

Isn't it the Jews?


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'cause they have been absent from the region for most of the last ~2000 years?  No, of course not, none of that history occurred, now did it?  No, no, of course not, in Moses, book - The Bible...

Always trying to avoid today, the 21st century, right now, the Jews are there and they are in control.


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Perhaps because it ignores ~2000 years of history, Moses?  You know, all that intervening stuff that happened after the Jews were expelled from Palestine by the Romans?   I mean, the Jews rebelled so perhaps they deserved their expulsion? Perhaps it was just God's way of telling them they had been naughty?   Tsk, tsk.

You mean like they have come back and now control it?      

No side here is innocent, but we should not demonize Israel for providing a high standard of living to its peoples. No Muslim-majority country has ever had such a high standard of living like Israel.

Do you think that women in Palestine will have equal rights to men under the law? Do you think that Palestine will have strong institutions and have the 'rule of law'? I doubt it.

We need to criticize Muslim-majority countries for not stepping up their game and providing for their people. Israel has already done this.

Frank wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 6:33am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 9:54pm: Frank wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 8:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Frank wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 6:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Er... somebody declared war on Israel in 1948, just as it was declared. And then the same people started a few more wars.  Still Israel has 17.6% Muslim population. Muslims are in the Army, parliament, universities, police.  Muslims are freer in Israel than in any of the surrounding Arab countries. How many peace agreements have the Pallos walked away from? How many opportunities did they let pass just so they can continue to thrive for a Judenrein Middle East, cleansed of Jews like all the other Arab countries?  But they never walk away from a opportunity to go completely apesh!t and violent. And Jerusalem IS the capital of Israel, that's where its parliament is, that's where its main government offices are. Jerusalem is also the capital of Palestine, Soren. Palestine?  Is that a recognised country now? Yes.  138 Nations recognise Palestine as a nation. Soren.  My goodness, your Islamophobia really does blind you to so much, doesn't it?   ::) Most of them are only 'nations'. Most real nations don't.

Ah, so now there are differences in nations and their status in your mind, Soren?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk. looks like we need to call the Nurses back...

Of the 138 nations that recognise Palestine as a state, most of the member states of the UN do so.   So, is the UN General Assembly wrong to do so?   Of course, if you're Jewish it is but if you're not, it represents the will of the majority of the people on the planet, Soren.   Once more, out of step with the rest of man (and woman) kind.   ::)

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freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 12:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country.

But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...   

moses wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 1:01pm:

Brian Ross Reply #43 - Yesterday at 4:30pm Quote: Yes but they left Jerusalem, by and large when the Romans expelled them from Palestine, Moses.  Please catch up with the history of the region, OK? Did you say catch up? Gee I mean who has control right here and right now? Isn't it the Jews?

I've never denied that, Moses.  Erecting strawman arguments again?  Tsk, tsk.


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[quote]'cause they have been absent from the region for most of the last ~2000 years?  No, of course not, none of that history occurred, now did it?  No, no, of course not, in Moses, book - The Bible...

Always trying to avoid today, the 21st century, right now, the Jews are there and they are in control.
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And should they be in control?  The Palestinians lived in Palestine for ~2000 years.  Their rights were ignored, they were not consulted when Israel was created.   Today, yes, the Jews control the area.  Are they doing a good job as Occupyers according to International Law, today?   Nope.    ::)


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[quote]Perhaps because it ignores ~2000 years of history, Moses?  You know, all that intervening stuff that happened after the Jews were expelled from Palestine by the Romans?   I mean, the Jews rebelled so perhaps they deserved their expulsion? Perhaps it was just God's way of telling them they had been naughty?   Tsk, tsk.

You mean like they have come back and now control it?      
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::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.

If anything, I consider this policy to be extremely thoughtful of the Israeli government. Why should Muslims be conscripted to face other Muslims? This may also pose a security threat for Israel.

Evidence that property rights of Israeli Muslims isn't respected??

Auggie wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 2:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm: They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces. If anything, I consider this policy to be extremely thoughtful of the Israeli government. Why should Muslims be conscripted to face other Muslims? This may also pose a security threat for Israel.

However it also means that the Israeli Muslims have no part in protecting Israel as a nation.  They are excluded by the Jewish authorities because they are not Jewish.  Their citizenship is therefore considered second-rate, compared to the Jewish citizens.   As Moshe Dayan pointed out, in the late 1960s, this was, in his opinion, the worst mistake that the Israeli state had made in being set up.   It meant that Muslim citizens were always considered second-rate citizens.


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Evidence that property rights of Israeli Muslims isn't respected??

Israeli Muslims rights are usually based on Ottoman documentation - land deeds, titles, etc. The Israeli state does not recognise that documentation.   Israeli settlers do not recognise Muslim property rights either.   Muslim orchards and crops are always being destroyed by them, in an effort to drive them off their land.   It is all part of the Ethnic Cleansing apparatus of the Zionist state.    ::)

Brian Ross  Reply #75 - Today at 2:48pm

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I've never denied that, Moses.  Erecting strawman arguments again?  Tsk, tsk. & And should they be in control?  The Palestinians lived in Palestine for ~2000 years.  Their rights were ignored, they were not consulted when Israel was created.   Today, yes, the Jews control the area.  Are they doing a good job as Occupyers according to International Law, today?   Nope.

Judaism predates islam by thousands of years. Jerusalem contains the Holy of Holies, the most sacred site in Judaism.

To muslims muhammad tied his flying donkey up there.

We all know that the Jews have been dispersed numerous times, we all know the muslims hate the Jews and would slaughter ever single one of them if they had the chance. We all know islam is a religion which preaches hatred and death of Jews.

So the obvious logic is that the Jews are never going to just hand back their most sacred place to muslims, who have sworn to butcher every single one of them as a religious duty.

World events over millennia have attained to the present situation.

The Jews are back in full control of Jerusalem it is theirs.

They don't want world expansion as muslims do, they don't want world domination as muslims do.

The Jews would be  quiet happy simply contained in the old promised land borders.

The Jews are no threat to the globe, muslims are.

So I acknowledge Jewish historical archeological spiritual and physical claims to Jerusalem.      

moses wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

Brian Ross  Reply #75 - Today at 2:48pm Quote: I've never denied that, Moses.  Erecting strawman arguments again?  Tsk, tsk. & And should they be in control?  The Palestinians lived in Palestine for ~2000 years.  Their rights were ignored, they were not consulted when Israel was created.   Today, yes, the Jews control the area.  Are they doing a good job as Occupyers according to International Law, today?   Nope. Judaism predates islam by thousands of years. Jerusalem contains the Holy of Holies, the most sacred site in Judaism. To muslims muhammad tied his flying donkey up there. We all know that the Jews have been dispersed numerous times, we all know the muslims hate the Jews and would slaughter ever single one of them if they had the chance. We all know islam is a religion which preaches hatred and death of Jews. So the obvious logic is that the Jews are never going to just hand back their most sacred place to muslims, who have sworn to butcher every single one of them as a religious duty. World events over millennia have attained to the present situation. The Jews are back in full control of Jerusalem it is theirs. They don't want world expansion as muslims do, they don't want world domination as muslims do. The Jews would be  quiet happy simply contained in the old promised land borders. The Jews are no threat to the globe, muslims are. So I acknowledge Jewish historical archeological spiritual and physical claims to Jerusalem.

Immaterial, Moses.  Even the Israelis have to abide by international law and at least give it lip service.

When they create a true, multi-ethnic/multi-religious Multicultural state and accord the Palestinians the same rights as the Zionists, then you might have a point.   The problem is, they haven't and are unlikely to.  Tsk, tsk. the Jewish right to control Israel and Palestine is based upon the force of arms, not the force of God.    Without Uncle Sugar there, propping their regime up, they would turn to one of the other great powers - Russia or China in the blink of an eye and transform their society to some other form just to please them.

They are bad occupiers.  They are ethnically cleansing the region of their cousins, the Palestinians.  They should be ashamed of what they have done and what they are doing.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 4:17pm:

moses wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:01pm: Brian Ross  Reply #75 - Today at 2:48pm Quote: I've never denied that, Moses.  Erecting strawman arguments again?  Tsk, tsk. & And should they be in control?  The Palestinians lived in Palestine for ~2000 years.  Their rights were ignored, they were not consulted when Israel was created.   Today, yes, the Jews control the area.  Are they doing a good job as Occupyers according to International Law, today?   Nope. Judaism predates islam by thousands of years. Jerusalem contains the Holy of Holies, the most sacred site in Judaism. To muslims muhammad tied his flying donkey up there. We all know that the Jews have been dispersed numerous times, we all know the muslims hate the Jews and would slaughter ever single one of them if they had the chance. We all know islam is a religion which preaches hatred and death of Jews. So the obvious logic is that the Jews are never going to just hand back their most sacred place to muslims, who have sworn to butcher every single one of them as a religious duty. World events over millennia have attained to the present situation. The Jews are back in full control of Jerusalem it is theirs. They don't want world expansion as muslims do, they don't want world domination as muslims do. The Jews would be  quiet happy simply contained in the old promised land borders. The Jews are no threat to the globe, muslims are. So I acknowledge Jewish historical archeological spiritual and physical claims to Jerusalem.       Immaterial, Moses.  Even the Israelis have to abide by international law and at least give it lip service. When they create a true, multi-ethnic/multi-religious Multicultural state and accord the Palestinians the same rights as the Zionists, then you might have a point.   The problem is, they haven't and are unlikely to.  Tsk, tsk. the Jewish right to control Israel and Palestine is based upon the force of arms, not the force of God.    Without Uncle Sugar there, propping their regime up, they would turn to one of the other great powers - Russia or China in the blink of an eye and transform their society to some other form just to please them. They are bad occupiers.  They are ethnically cleansing the region of their cousins, the Palestinians.  They should be ashamed of what they have done and what they are doing.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

How can the Jews pull their borders down and still be safe Brian?

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 4:19pm:

How can the Jews pull their borders down and still be safe Brian?

Perhaps you should ask the reverse, Hammer - "how can the Israelis not treat the Palestinians fairly and accept either a two state solution or a unified state with them.   The choice is theirs."

The Israelis are primarily a Jewish nation today.  It was created from the ashes of the Holocaust and founded on a Zionist lie to the European/American/Soviet governments - "A people for an empty land."   They deliberately ignored the peoples of Palestine who lived there, at the time and imposed a Jewish state on them.   Yes, they fought for their right to exist but was that the correct existence for the peoples of Palestine?

Israel exists today, there is no turn the clocks back and starting again.   The Palestinians accept that, they want a genuine two state solution - one for the Israelis and one for the Palestinians.   The Israelis just want all of Palestine - Eretz Israel.   Their policies have not changed - they seek to divide and conquer their enemies with the military might they have purchased, produced and received.   The Palestinians were initially a cause celebre' for the Arabs surrounding Palestine, then they became a thorn in the sides of the Arabs, now they are an embarrassment.   The Palestinians have fought the Israelis to a standstill.   The Israelis are slowly ethnically cleansing the region - getting the Palestinians out of their homeland and forcing them off their plate.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:19pm: How can the Jews pull their borders down and still be safe Brian? Perhaps you should ask the reverse, Hammer - "how can the Israelis not treat the Palestinians fairly and accept either a two state solution or a unified state with them.   The choice is theirs." The Israelis are primarily a Jewish nation today.  It was created from the ashes of the Holocaust and founded on a Zionist lie to the European/American/Soviet governments - "A people for an empty land."   They deliberately ignored the peoples of Palestine who lived there, at the time and imposed a Jewish state on them.   Yes, they fought for their right to exist but was that the correct existence for the peoples of Palestine? Israel exists today, there is no turn the clocks back and starting again.   The Palestinians accept that, they want a genuine two state solution - one for the Israelis and one for the Palestinians.   The Israelis just want all of Palestine - Eretz Israel.   Their policies have not changed - they seek to divide and conquer their enemies with the military might they have purchased, produced and received.   The Palestinians were initially a cause celebre' for the Arabs surrounding Palestine, then they became a thorn in the sides of the Arabs, now they are an embarrassment.   The Palestinians have fought the Israelis to a standstill.   The Israelis are slowly ethnically cleansing the region - getting the Palestinians out of their homeland and forcing them off their plate.   ::)

Jew Haters are nasty ignorant Nazis as well as being bigots with an IQ bordering on stupid.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:19pm: How can the Jews pull their borders down and still be safe Brian? Perhaps you should ask the reverse, Hammer - "how can the Israelis not treat the Palestinians fairly and accept either a two state solution or a unified state with them.   The choice is theirs." The Israelis are primarily a Jewish nation today.  It was created from the ashes of the Holocaust and founded on a Zionist lie to the European/American/Soviet governments - "A people for an empty land."   They deliberately ignored the peoples of Palestine who lived there, at the time and imposed a Jewish state on them.   Yes, they fought for their right to exist but was that the correct existence for the peoples of Palestine? Israel exists today, there is no turn the clocks back and starting again.   The Palestinians accept that, they want a genuine two state solution - one for the Israelis and one for the Palestinians.   The Israelis just want all of Palestine - Eretz Israel.   Their policies have not changed - they seek to divide and conquer their enemies with the military might they have purchased, produced and received.   The Palestinians were initially a cause celebre' for the Arabs surrounding Palestine, then they became a thorn in the sides of the Arabs, now they are an embarrassment.   The Palestinians have fought the Israelis to a standstill.   The Israelis are slowly ethnically cleansing the region - getting the Palestinians out of their homeland and forcing them off their plate.   ::)

You didn't answer the question. And you do know that in many cases arabs are selling the jews the land. I don't like Zionists either but I recognise that there are 2 sides to this story.

From the Hamas charter (Hamas was elected in Gaza)

In all that, they fear Allah and raise the banner of Jihad in the face of the oppressors, so that they would rid the land and the people of their uncleanliness, vileness and evils.

Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.


There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with.

The day that enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised. To do this requires the diffusion of Islamic consciousness among the masses, both on the regional, Arab and Islamic levels. It is necessary to instill the spirit of Jihad in the heart of the nation so that they would confront the enemies and join the ranks of the fighters. [not just a thriving for inner peace, then, jihad, although that too].

The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist invaders. It goes back to 1939, to the emergence of the martyr Izz al-Din al Kissam and his brethren the fighters, members of Moslem Brotherhood. It goes on to reach out and become one with another chain that includes the struggle of the Palestinians and Moslem Brotherhood in the 1948 war and the Jihad operations of the Moslem Brotherhood in 1968 and after.

Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem). 


They should back and support it, as Allah wants them to, extending to it more and more funds till Allah's purpose is achieved when ranks will close up, fighters join other fighters and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty while loudly proclaiming: Hail to Jihad. Their cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah's victory comes about.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

And you would want to put down your weapons in the face of such an enemy????

Do they sound like they want a two state solution, accept the existence of Israel?  Of course not.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country. But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...

Bollocks.

Would you conscript the stone throwing Muslim kids and give them a gun so they don't have to dirty their hands with stones? Are you completely out of what you call your mind but what we all know to be a shrivelled pea?

Show me where the Israeli Arab citizen's property rights are not respected inside Israel.

And where are the equal rights of Jews and Christians in any Muslim country, let alone in Arab Muslim countries?

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 4:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:29pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:19pm: How can the Jews pull their borders down and still be safe Brian? Perhaps you should ask the reverse, Hammer - "how can the Israelis not treat the Palestinians fairly and accept either a two state solution or a unified state with them.   The choice is theirs." The Israelis are primarily a Jewish nation today.  It was created from the ashes of the Holocaust and founded on a Zionist lie to the European/American/Soviet governments - "A people for an empty land."   They deliberately ignored the peoples of Palestine who lived there, at the time and imposed a Jewish state on them.   Yes, they fought for their right to exist but was that the correct existence for the peoples of Palestine? Israel exists today, there is no turn the clocks back and starting again.   The Palestinians accept that, they want a genuine two state solution - one for the Israelis and one for the Palestinians.   The Israelis just want all of Palestine - Eretz Israel.   Their policies have not changed - they seek to divide and conquer their enemies with the military might they have purchased, produced and received.   The Palestinians were initially a cause celebre' for the Arabs surrounding Palestine, then they became a thorn in the sides of the Arabs, now they are an embarrassment.   The Palestinians have fought the Israelis to a standstill.   The Israelis are slowly ethnically cleansing the region - getting the Palestinians out of their homeland and forcing them off their plate.   ::) You didn't answer the question. And you do know that in many cases arabs are selling the jews the land. I don't like Zionists either but I recognise that there are 2 sides to this story.

There are two, three, four, five sides to every story, Hammer.   However, the general story is that the Zionists created Israel on the basis of a lie.   They got the British/French/Americans/Russians/etc. to help create the modern state of Israel on the basis that Palestine was an empty land and had no people in it.   This completely ignored the existence of the Palestinians.   No consultation was undertaken, no effort to include the Palestinians in this new nation.

Now, we cannot turn the clock back.  Israel exists today.   However it also controls the Occupied Territories, which it invaded in 1967 and took over.   It is making a concerted effort, with the connivance of the Americans to engage in Ethnic Cleansing.   Now, if it wasn't OK for the Serbs to do that to the Croats and the Bosnians and the Slovenians, it is not OK to have the Israelis doing that to the Palestinians.   There are numerous other examples of Ethnic Cleansing, including the Turks against the Armenians which have raised the ire of the world.  Yet the world is silent about the plight of the Palestinians.   ::)

Really bwian.

Isn't it true there is no State of Palestine?
Isn't it true there are no real Palestinians?
Isn't it true that the BRITISH MANDATE FOR PALESTINE  was divided up?
Isn't it true that most of it is now Jordan an Arab nation?
Is this not a map of the Ottoman Empire before the war and the dividing up of the Empire?
http://istanbulclues.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Decline-of-Ottoman-Empire-Map-1914-World-War.jpg

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 6:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:43pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:29pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:19pm: How can the Jews pull their borders down and still be safe Brian? Perhaps you should ask the reverse, Hammer - "how can the Israelis not treat the Palestinians fairly and accept either a two state solution or a unified state with them.   The choice is theirs." The Israelis are primarily a Jewish nation today.  It was created from the ashes of the Holocaust and founded on a Zionist lie to the European/American/Soviet governments - "A people for an empty land."   They deliberately ignored the peoples of Palestine who lived there, at the time and imposed a Jewish state on them.   Yes, they fought for their right to exist but was that the correct existence for the peoples of Palestine? Israel exists today, there is no turn the clocks back and starting again.   The Palestinians accept that, they want a genuine two state solution - one for the Israelis and one for the Palestinians.   The Israelis just want all of Palestine - Eretz Israel.   Their policies have not changed - they seek to divide and conquer their enemies with the military might they have purchased, produced and received.   The Palestinians were initially a cause celebre' for the Arabs surrounding Palestine, then they became a thorn in the sides of the Arabs, now they are an embarrassment.   The Palestinians have fought the Israelis to a standstill.   The Israelis are slowly ethnically cleansing the region - getting the Palestinians out of their homeland and forcing them off their plate.   ::) You didn't answer the question. And you do know that in many cases arabs are selling the jews the land. I don't like Zionists either but I recognise that there are 2 sides to this story. There are two, three, four, five sides to every story, Hammer.   However, the general story is that the Zionists created Israel on the basis of a lie.   They got the British/French/Americans/Russians/etc. to help create the modern state of Israel on the basis that Palestine was an empty land and had no people in it.   This completely ignored the existence of the Palestinians.   No consultation was undertaken, no effort to include the Palestinians in this new nation. Now, we cannot turn the clock back.  Israel exists today.   However it also controls the Occupied Territories, which it invaded in 1967 and took over.   It is making a concerted effort, with the connivance of the Americans to engage in Ethnic Cleansing.   Now, if it wasn't OK for the Serbs to do that to the Croats and the Bosnians and the Slovenians, it is not OK to have the Israelis doing that to the Palestinians.   There are numerous other examples of Ethnic Cleansing, including the Turks against the Armenians which have raised the ire of the world.  Yet the world is silent about the plight of the Palestinians.   ::)

tsk tsk , you are kidding arent you.
the world never bloody shuts up about the plight of the palestinians

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 6:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:43pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:29pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:19pm: How can the Jews pull their borders down and still be safe Brian? Perhaps you should ask the reverse, Hammer - "how can the Israelis not treat the Palestinians fairly and accept either a two state solution or a unified state with them.   The choice is theirs." The Israelis are primarily a Jewish nation today.  It was created from the ashes of the Holocaust and founded on a Zionist lie to the European/American/Soviet governments - "A people for an empty land."   They deliberately ignored the peoples of Palestine who lived there, at the time and imposed a Jewish state on them.   Yes, they fought for their right to exist but was that the correct existence for the peoples of Palestine? Israel exists today, there is no turn the clocks back and starting again.   The Palestinians accept that, they want a genuine two state solution - one for the Israelis and one for the Palestinians.   The Israelis just want all of Palestine - Eretz Israel.   Their policies have not changed - they seek to divide and conquer their enemies with the military might they have purchased, produced and received.   The Palestinians were initially a cause celebre' for the Arabs surrounding Palestine, then they became a thorn in the sides of the Arabs, now they are an embarrassment.   The Palestinians have fought the Israelis to a standstill.   The Israelis are slowly ethnically cleansing the region - getting the Palestinians out of their homeland and forcing them off their plate.   ::) You didn't answer the question. And you do know that in many cases arabs are selling the jews the land. I don't like Zionists either but I recognise that there are 2 sides to this story. There are two, three, four, five sides to every story, Hammer.   However, the general story is that the Zionists created Israel on the basis of a lie.   They got the British/French/Americans/Russians/etc. to help create the modern state of Israel on the basis that Palestine was an empty land and had no people in it.   This completely ignored the existence of the Palestinians.   No consultation was undertaken, no effort to include the Palestinians in this new nation. Now, we cannot turn the clock back.  Israel exists today.   However it also controls the Occupied Territories, which it invaded in 1967 and took over.   It is making a concerted effort, with the connivance of the Americans to engage in Ethnic Cleansing.   Now, if it wasn't OK for the Serbs to do that to the Croats and the Bosnians and the Slovenians, it is not OK to have the Israelis doing that to the Palestinians.   There are numerous other examples of Ethnic Cleansing, including the Turks against the Armenians which have raised the ire of the world.  Yet the world is silent about the plight of the Palestinians.   ::)

Thank you for lying like you always do.



You are a lying, ignorant idiot. You simply do not compare.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 6:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:43pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:29pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:19pm: How can the Jews pull their borders down and still be safe Brian? Perhaps you should ask the reverse, Hammer - "how can the Israelis not treat the Palestinians fairly and accept either a two state solution or a unified state with them.   The choice is theirs." The Israelis are primarily a Jewish nation today.  It was created from the ashes of the Holocaust and founded on a Zionist lie to the European/American/Soviet governments - "A people for an empty land."   They deliberately ignored the peoples of Palestine who lived there, at the time and imposed a Jewish state on them.   Yes, they fought for their right to exist but was that the correct existence for the peoples of Palestine? Israel exists today, there is no turn the clocks back and starting again.   The Palestinians accept that, they want a genuine two state solution - one for the Israelis and one for the Palestinians.   The Israelis just want all of Palestine - Eretz Israel.   Their policies have not changed - they seek to divide and conquer their enemies with the military might they have purchased, produced and received.   The Palestinians were initially a cause celebre' for the Arabs surrounding Palestine, then they became a thorn in the sides of the Arabs, now they are an embarrassment.   The Palestinians have fought the Israelis to a standstill.   The Israelis are slowly ethnically cleansing the region - getting the Palestinians out of their homeland and forcing them off their plate.   ::) You didn't answer the question. And you do know that in many cases arabs are selling the jews the land. I don't like Zionists either but I recognise that there are 2 sides to this story. There are two, three, four, five sides to every story, Hammer.   However, the general story is that the Zionists created Israel on the basis of a lie.   They got the British/French/Americans/Russians/etc. to help create the modern state of Israel on the basis that Palestine was an empty land and had no people in it.   This completely ignored the existence of the Palestinians.   No consultation was undertaken, no effort to include the Palestinians in this new nation. Now, we cannot turn the clock back.  Israel exists today.   However it also controls the Occupied Territories, which it invaded in 1967 and took over.   It is making a concerted effort, with the connivance of the Americans to engage in Ethnic Cleansing.   Now, if it wasn't OK for the Serbs to do that to the Croats and the Bosnians and the Slovenians, it is not OK to have the Israelis doing that to the Palestinians.   There are numerous other examples of Ethnic Cleansing, including the Turks against the Armenians which have raised the ire of the world.  Yet the world is silent about the plight of the Palestinians.   ::)

So what do you want Brian?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country. But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...

Are you trying to disagree with me Brian? Or just trying to hold Israel to a different standard?

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 8:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country. But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...    Are you trying to disagree with me Brian?

If I was you I'd say no, Brian.

Freeedom, innit.

Karnal wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 8:42pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country. But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...    Are you trying to disagree with me Brian? If I was you I'd say no, Brian. Freeedom, innit.

Ten ruppi give him, he's  from Pakistan. He dont know nuffin better. If you were him yiiu would say anything. Pakistani cultural enrichment.
We need that. The world needs Pakistan like it needs TB, melanoma, slavery, Jihad, paki beggars, ets

Tsk, tsk, tsk...
One more time bwian.... 
one more time to expose your ignorance.

Really bwian.

Isn't it true there is no State of Palestine?
Isn't it true there are no real Palestinians?
Isn't it true that the BRITISH MANDATE FOR PALESTINE  was divided up?
Isn't it true that most of it is now Jordan an Arab nation?
Is this not a map of the Ottoman Empire before the war and the dividing up of the Empire?
http://istanbulclues.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Decline-of-Ottoman-Empire-Map-1914-World-War.jpg

The conflicts in that area are historically tribal. Prior to Christianity, and later, Mohammedanism, those tribes were often at war. The religions have re-enforced the tribalism, but the Jews have as much right to establish a state as any of the other tribes. They have succeeded where the inferior culture of the Arab tribes never actually tried. You cannot argue with results. Can you imagine what that area would be like today, had the Arabs won the six day war? The so-called Palestinians are Arabs and Muzlims, and drag around the ball and chain of their own superstition, ignorance and tribal vindictiveness.

issuevoter wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 7:18am:

The conflicts in that area are historically tribal. Prior to Christianity, and later, Mohammedanism, those tribes were often at war. The religions have re-enforced the tribalism, but the Jews have as much right to establish a state as any of the other tribes. They have succeeded where the inferior culture of the Arab tribes never actually tried. You cannot argue with results. Can you imagine what that area would be like today, had the Arabs won the six day war? The so-called Palestinians are Arabs and Muzlims, and drag around the ball and chain of their own superstition, ignorance and tribal vindictiveness.

Here's a good indication of why Jews have been successful

As of 2017, Nobel Prizes[note 1] have been awarded to 892 individuals,[1] of whom 201 or 22.5% were Jews,[note 2] although the total Jewish population comprises less than 0.2% of the world's population.[2] This means the percentage of Jewish Nobel laureates is at least 112.5 times or 11250% above average

Poor Bwian...
Got Nothing.
But posts a hell of a lot of crap.

Your lack of engagement with facts bwian singles you out as simply an ignorant TROLL. ::)

Frank wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 8:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:42pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country. But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...    Are you trying to disagree with me Brian? If I was you I'd say no, Brian. Freeedom, innit. Ten ruppi give him, he's  from Pakistan. He dont know nuffin better.

Why do you say I'm from Pakistan, dear boy?

I'm curious.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 8:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 6:53pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:43pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:29pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:19pm: How can the Jews pull their borders down and still be safe Brian? Perhaps you should ask the reverse, Hammer - "how can the Israelis not treat the Palestinians fairly and accept either a two state solution or a unified state with them.   The choice is theirs." The Israelis are primarily a Jewish nation today.  It was created from the ashes of the Holocaust and founded on a Zionist lie to the European/American/Soviet governments - "A people for an empty land."   They deliberately ignored the peoples of Palestine who lived there, at the time and imposed a Jewish state on them.   Yes, they fought for their right to exist but was that the correct existence for the peoples of Palestine? Israel exists today, there is no turn the clocks back and starting again.   The Palestinians accept that, they want a genuine two state solution - one for the Israelis and one for the Palestinians.   The Israelis just want all of Palestine - Eretz Israel.   Their policies have not changed - they seek to divide and conquer their enemies with the military might they have purchased, produced and received.   The Palestinians were initially a cause celebre' for the Arabs surrounding Palestine, then they became a thorn in the sides of the Arabs, now they are an embarrassment.   The Palestinians have fought the Israelis to a standstill.   The Israelis are slowly ethnically cleansing the region - getting the Palestinians out of their homeland and forcing them off their plate.   ::) You didn't answer the question. And you do know that in many cases arabs are selling the jews the land. I don't like Zionists either but I recognise that there are 2 sides to this story. There are two, three, four, five sides to every story, Hammer.   However, the general story is that the Zionists created Israel on the basis of a lie.   They got the British/French/Americans/Russians/etc. to help create the modern state of Israel on the basis that Palestine was an empty land and had no people in it.   This completely ignored the existence of the Palestinians.   No consultation was undertaken, no effort to include the Palestinians in this new nation. Now, we cannot turn the clock back.  Israel exists today.   However it also controls the Occupied Territories, which it invaded in 1967 and took over.   It is making a concerted effort, with the connivance of the Americans to engage in Ethnic Cleansing.   Now, if it wasn't OK for the Serbs to do that to the Croats and the Bosnians and the Slovenians, it is not OK to have the Israelis doing that to the Palestinians.   There are numerous other examples of Ethnic Cleansing, including the Turks against the Armenians which have raised the ire of the world.  Yet the world is silent about the plight of the Palestinians.   ::) So what do you want Brian?

Mmmm, Israel to recognise the existence of the Palestinian state in exchange for a peace treaty with the Palestinians.  For Israel's settlers to either leave the Occupied Territories or to become full citizens of the Palestinian state (and swear allegiance to it).   For the Israelis to return all the Palestinian lands which they have stolen outside of Israel (proper) to their original owners.   Exiled Palestinians to be accorded the automatic Right of Return to either state as would be Jews as well.   For Israel not to declare itself an exclusively Jewish State and the Palestinians not to declare themselves an exclusive Muslim state.   Jerusalem to be declared the join capital of both Israel and Palestine.  For both sides to pay the other any compensation owed.   For both sides to not attack each other.   For both sides to live in peace and harmony.

The Palestinians have recognised the right for the state of Israel to exist.  Time for the Israelis to recognise the right of the state of Palestine to exist.    ::)

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 8:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country. But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...    Are you trying to disagree with me Brian? Or just trying to hold Israel to a different standard?

Not sure what you mean, FD.  I am holding Israel to the standard I hold all nations to - that of decency.  They can conscript who they like but in failing to conscript the Palestinians, the Israelis, according to Moshe Dayan - their most senior  General - made a grave mistake.   A mistake they are now paying for.    ::)

Karnal wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 11:25am:

Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:49pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:42pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country. But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...    Are you trying to disagree with me Brian? If I was you I'd say no, Brian. Freeedom, innit. Ten ruppi give him, he's  from Pakistan. He dont know nuffin better. Why do you say I'm from Pakistan, dear boy? I'm curious.

Freeedom, innit.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 6:53pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:43pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:29pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:19pm: How can the Jews pull their borders down and still be safe Brian? Perhaps you should ask the reverse, Hammer - "how can the Israelis not treat the Palestinians fairly and accept either a two state solution or a unified state with them.   The choice is theirs." The Israelis are primarily a Jewish nation today.  It was created from the ashes of the Holocaust and founded on a Zionist lie to the European/American/Soviet governments - "A people for an empty land."   They deliberately ignored the peoples of Palestine who lived there, at the time and imposed a Jewish state on them.   Yes, they fought for their right to exist but was that the correct existence for the peoples of Palestine? Israel exists today, there is no turn the clocks back and starting again.   The Palestinians accept that, they want a genuine two state solution - one for the Israelis and one for the Palestinians.   The Israelis just want all of Palestine - Eretz Israel.   Their policies have not changed - they seek to divide and conquer their enemies with the military might they have purchased, produced and received.   The Palestinians were initially a cause celebre' for the Arabs surrounding Palestine, then they became a thorn in the sides of the Arabs, now they are an embarrassment.   The Palestinians have fought the Israelis to a standstill.   The Israelis are slowly ethnically cleansing the region - getting the Palestinians out of their homeland and forcing them off their plate.   ::) You didn't answer the question. And you do know that in many cases arabs are selling the jews the land. I don't like Zionists either but I recognise that there are 2 sides to this story. There are two, three, four, five sides to every story, Hammer.   However, the general story is that the Zionists created Israel on the basis of a lie.   They got the British/French/Americans/Russians/etc. to help create the modern state of Israel on the basis that Palestine was an empty land and had no people in it.   This completely ignored the existence of the Palestinians.   No consultation was undertaken, no effort to include the Palestinians in this new nation. Now, we cannot turn the clock back.  Israel exists today.   However it also controls the Occupied Territories, which it invaded in 1967 and took over.   It is making a concerted effort, with the connivance of the Americans to engage in Ethnic Cleansing.   Now, if it wasn't OK for the Serbs to do that to the Croats and the Bosnians and the Slovenians, it is not OK to have the Israelis doing that to the Palestinians.   There are numerous other examples of Ethnic Cleansing, including the Turks against the Armenians which have raised the ire of the world.  Yet the world is silent about the plight of the Palestinians.   ::) So what do you want Brian? Mmmm, Israel to recognise the existence of the Palestinian state in exchange for a peace treaty with the Palestinians.  For Israel's settlers to either leave the Occupied Territories or to become full citizens of the Palestinian state (and swear allegiance to it).   For the Israelis to return all the Palestinian lands which they have stolen outside of Israel (proper) to their original owners.   Exiled Palestinians to be accorded the automatic Right of Return to either state as would be Jews as well.   For Israel not to declare itself an exclusively Jewish State and the Palestinians not to declare themselves an exclusive Muslim state.   Jerusalem to be declared the join capital of both Israel and Palestine.  For both sides to pay the other any compensation owed.   For both sides to not attack each other.   For both sides to live in peace and harmony. The Palestinians have recognised the right for the state of Israel to exist.  Time for the Israelis to recognise the right of the state of Palestine to exist.    ::)

Palestinians to be accorded the automatic Right of Return to either state as would be Jews as well.You do know that Israel would start getting terrorist attacks again Brian?

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 11:25am: Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:49pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:42pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country. But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...    Are you trying to disagree with me Brian? If I was you I'd say no, Brian. Freeedom, innit. Ten ruppi give him, he's  from Pakistan. He dont know nuffin better. Why do you say I'm from Pakistan, dear boy? I'm curious. Freeedom, innit.

Upholding your democratic right to tell porkies again, are you?

Which is it, old boy - stupid or mendacious?

Karnal wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 4:28pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:13pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 11:25am: Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:49pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:42pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country. But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...    Are you trying to disagree with me Brian? If I was you I'd say no, Brian. Freeedom, innit. Ten ruppi give him, he's  from Pakistan. He dont know nuffin better. Why do you say I'm from Pakistan, dear boy? I'm curious. Freeedom, innit. Upholding your democratic right to tell porkies again, are you? Which is it, old boy - stupid or mendacious?

you do it to me babe.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

I am holding Israel to the standard I hold all nations to - that of decency.  They can conscript who they like but in failing to conscript the Palestinians, the Israelis, according to Moshe Dayan - their most senior  General - made a grave mistake.   A mistake they are now paying for.    ::)

That's right Bwian, the Palestinians are not rioting because America accepts that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, no.

All these years Palestinians have been rioting because they wanted to be conscripted into the IDF and the perfidious Joooos wouldn't agree. 
They want to serve the State of Israel, as everyone knows, but are not allowed. Tut tut, Bwian.  ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 5:06pm:

Tut tut, Bwian.

It's supposed to be: "Tsk, tsk, Brian.  ::) ::)"

Berlin, December 2017. Death to the Jews.  Not a blonde in sight. They all look like murderers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUOfhvrRuOo

They are turning every Western city into Islamic hellholes.

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Berlin, December 2017. Death to the Jews.  Not a blonde in sight. They all look like murderers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUOfhvrRuOo They are turning every Western city into Islamic hellholes.

As Karnal would say: "Kill them."

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 4:14pm:

Palestinians to be accorded the automatic Right of Return to either state as would be Jews as well.You do know that Israel would start getting terrorist attacks again Brian?

Why, Hammer?  You seem to assume that the Palestinians are untrustworthy.  I don't trust the Israelis as far as I can throw them.   The Palestinians have done everything the Israelis wanted - they have recognised the State of Israel.  They recognised it's right to exist.   What have the Israelis done in return?  NOTHING.   Even so, the Palestinians have not engaged in another Interfada.  There has been no general uprising against Israeli rule in the West Bank.  There have been no new wave of bombing...    

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:14pm: Palestinians to be accorded the automatic Right of Return to either state as would be Jews as well.You do know that Israel would start getting terrorist attacks again Brian? Why, Hammer?  You seem to assume that the Palestinians are untrustworthy.  I don't trust the Israelis as far as I can throw them.   The Palestinians have done everything the Israelis wanted - they have recognised the State of Israel.  They recognised it's right to exist.   What have the Israelis done in return?  NOTHING.   Even so, the Palestinians have not engaged in another Interfada.  There has been no general uprising against Israeli rule in the West Bank.  There have been no new wave of bombing...

;D ;D ;D  Bwian, tsk, tsk

Who represents the Palestinians? Who speaks for them? Hamas - elected by Palestinians? If so, you are lying (as usual).
The PLO? Unelected for a long time? Lying again.


Recognising Israel would be Islamic blasphemy, denial of the truth the Koran. Only a secular, non-Muslim power could do that.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:14pm: Palestinians to be accorded the automatic Right of Return to either state as would be Jews as well.You do know that Israel would start getting terrorist attacks again Brian? Why, Hammer?  You seem to assume that the Palestinians are untrustworthy.  I don't trust the Israelis as far as I can throw them.   The Palestinians have done everything the Israelis wanted - they have recognised the State of Israel.  They recognised it's right to exist.   What have the Israelis done in return?  NOTHING.   Even so, the Palestinians have not engaged in another Interfada.  There has been no general uprising against Israeli rule in the West Bank.  There have been no new wave of bombing...

The jews did get a load of people blown to bits when they were more integrated Brian. The middle east is more unstable than ever. It would be worse. I don't believe in jewish expansion but I do see the need to keep them separated. There's no other option.

Brian Ross Reply #79 - Yesterday at 4:17pm


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Immaterial, Moses.  Even the Israelis have to abide by international law and at least give it lip service. When they create a true, multi-ethnic/multi-religious Multicultural state and accord the Palestinians the same rights as the Zionists, then you might have a point.   The problem is, they haven't and are unlikely to.  Tsk, tsk. the Jewish right to control Israel and Palestine is based upon the force of arms, not the force of God.    Without Uncle Sugar there, propping their regime up, they would turn to one of the other great powers - Russia or China in the blink of an eye and transform their society to some other form just to please them. They are bad occupiers.  They are ethnically cleansing the region of their cousins, the Palestinians.  They should be ashamed of what they have done and what they are doing.  Tsk, tsk.

Do you know of any muslim state / country which abides by all of the above?

The Jews could model the new Jerusalem on this mystical muslim kingdom couldn't they?

Ah well so much for dreams, material reality states that the Jews are in control of their most sacred site, beleaguered  by a mob of blood crazed muslims who all have a religious duty to kill Jews to get into allahs' paradise and claim their share of houris and little boys.

Now I certainly don't expect the Jews to be so stupid as to place themselves in mortal danger, to appease muslim nutters who will massacre them in order to obey muhammad / allah.

The Jews only aspire to being in the promised land they are not into world domination, muslims are.

The Jews don't want everybody to join Judaism, conversely muslims are instructed to kill non believers until all religion is for allah. 

Like I've said a hundred times before, the Jews have got it and they have a very legitimate claim to it, Jews are so much more deserving of it than any muslim on this earth, muslims are a world wide threat, Jews are not.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 4:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:28pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:13pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 11:25am: Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:49pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:42pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country. But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...    Are you trying to disagree with me Brian? If I was you I'd say no, Brian. Freeedom, innit. Ten ruppi give him, he's  from Pakistan. He dont know nuffin better. Why do you say I'm from Pakistan, dear boy? I'm curious. Freeedom, innit. Upholding your democratic right to tell porkies again, are you? Which is it, old boy - stupid or mendacious? you do it to me babe.

Oh, I know.

Karnal wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 9:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:30pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:28pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:13pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 11:25am: Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:49pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:42pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country. But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...    Are you trying to disagree with me Brian? If I was you I'd say no, Brian. Freeedom, innit. Ten ruppi give him, he's  from Pakistan. He dont know nuffin better. Why do you say I'm from Pakistan, dear boy? I'm curious. Freeedom, innit. Upholding your democratic right to tell porkies again, are you? Which is it, old boy - stupid or mendacious? you do it to me babe. Oh, I know.

Freeedom, innit.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:45pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:30pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:28pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:13pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 11:25am: Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:49pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:42pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country. But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...    Are you trying to disagree with me Brian? If I was you I'd say no, Brian. Freeedom, innit. Ten ruppi give him, he's  from Pakistan. He dont know nuffin better. Why do you say I'm from Pakistan, dear boy? I'm curious. Freeedom, innit. Upholding your democratic right to tell porkies again, are you? Which is it, old boy - stupid or mendacious? you do it to me babe. Oh, I know. Freeedom, innit.

I've never felt freer.

You?

YOU NEED TO STOP MUDDYING THE WATERS BWIAN AND FACE SOME FACTS...

Tsk, tsk, tsk...
One more time bwian.... 
one more time to expose your ignorance.

Really bwian.

Isn't it true there is no State of Palestine?
Isn't it true there are no real Palestinians?
Isn't it true that the BRITISH MANDATE FOR PALESTINE  was divided up?
Isn't it true that most of it is now Jordan an Arab nation?
Is this not a map of the Ottoman Empire before the war and the dividing up of the Empire?
http://istanbulclues.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Decline-of-Ottoman-Empire-Map-1914-World-War.jpg

Karnal wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 9:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:47pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:45pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:30pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:28pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:13pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 11:25am: Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:49pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:42pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country. But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...    Are you trying to disagree with me Brian? If I was you I'd say no, Brian. Freeedom, innit. Ten ruppi give him, he's  from Pakistan. He dont know nuffin better. Why do you say I'm from Pakistan, dear boy? I'm curious. Freeedom, innit. Upholding your democratic right to tell porkies again, are you? Which is it, old boy - stupid or mendacious? you do it to me babe. Oh, I know. Freeedom, innit. I've never felt freer. You?

nope. society is a prison.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 9:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:47pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:45pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:30pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:28pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:13pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 11:25am: Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:49pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:42pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country. But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...    Are you trying to disagree with me Brian? If I was you I'd say no, Brian. Freeedom, innit. Ten ruppi give him, he's  from Pakistan. He dont know nuffin better. Why do you say I'm from Pakistan, dear boy? I'm curious. Freeedom, innit. Upholding your democratic right to tell porkies again, are you? Which is it, old boy - stupid or mendacious? you do it to me babe. Oh, I know. Freeedom, innit. I've never felt freer. You? nope. society is a prison.

Yes, Homo, but when it's just the two of us, doing it, living it, loving it, we can forget all that, no?

Karnal wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:53pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:47pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:45pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:30pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:28pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:13pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 11:25am: Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:49pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:42pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country. But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...    Are you trying to disagree with me Brian? If I was you I'd say no, Brian. Freeedom, innit. Ten ruppi give him, he's  from Pakistan. He dont know nuffin better. Why do you say I'm from Pakistan, dear boy? I'm curious. Freeedom, innit. Upholding your democratic right to tell porkies again, are you? Which is it, old boy - stupid or mendacious? you do it to me babe. Oh, I know. Freeedom, innit. I've never felt freer. You? nope. society is a prison. Yes, Homo, but when it's just the two of us, doing it, living it, loving it, we can forget all that, no?

I'm not a apathetic person dear.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 9:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:53pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:47pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:45pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:30pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:28pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:13pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 11:25am: Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:49pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:42pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country. But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...    Are you trying to disagree with me Brian? If I was you I'd say no, Brian. Freeedom, innit. Ten ruppi give him, he's  from Pakistan. He dont know nuffin better. Why do you say I'm from Pakistan, dear boy? I'm curious. Freeedom, innit. Upholding your democratic right to tell porkies again, are you? Which is it, old boy - stupid or mendacious? you do it to me babe. Oh, I know. Freeedom, innit. I've never felt freer. You? nope. society is a prison. Yes, Homo, but when it's just the two of us, doing it, living it, loving it, we can forget all that, no? I'm not a apathetic person dear.

You're a lover, not a fighter.

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 8:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 7:18pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:14pm: Palestinians to be accorded the automatic Right of Return to either state as would be Jews as well.You do know that Israel would start getting terrorist attacks again Brian? Why, Hammer?  You seem to assume that the Palestinians are untrustworthy.  I don't trust the Israelis as far as I can throw them.   The Palestinians have done everything the Israelis wanted - they have recognised the State of Israel.  They recognised it's right to exist.   What have the Israelis done in return?  NOTHING.   Even so, the Palestinians have not engaged in another Interfada.  There has been no general uprising against Israeli rule in the West Bank.  There have been no new wave of bombing...     ;D ;D ;D  Bwian, tsk, tsk Who represents the Palestinians? Who speaks for them? Hamas - elected by Palestinians? If so, you are lying (as usual). The PLO? Unelected for a long time? Lying again. Recognising Israel would be Islamic blasphemy, denial of the truth the Koran. Only a secular, non-Muslim power could do that.

The Palestinian Authority is the acknowledge representative Government of Palestine, Soren.

Hamas only controles (somewhat reluctantly) the Gaza Strip.

Hamas was a splinter group from the PLO.  It was created with the help of the Israelis.    ::)

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 8:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 7:18pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:14pm: Palestinians to be accorded the automatic Right of Return to either state as would be Jews as well.You do know that Israel would start getting terrorist attacks again Brian? Why, Hammer?  You seem to assume that the Palestinians are untrustworthy.  I don't trust the Israelis as far as I can throw them.   The Palestinians have done everything the Israelis wanted - they have recognised the State of Israel.  They recognised it's right to exist.   What have the Israelis done in return?  NOTHING.   Even so, the Palestinians have not engaged in another Interfada.  There has been no general uprising against Israeli rule in the West Bank.  There have been no new wave of bombing...     The jews did get a load of people blown to bits when they were more integrated Brian. The middle east is more unstable than ever. It would be worse. I don't believe in jewish expansion but I do see the need to keep them separated. There's no other option.

So, you support the Israeli Ethnic Cleansing effort and their theft of the Palestinian lands, Hammer?

How...nice of you...how...kind of you.

So much for believing in the rights of the oppressed...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 8:38pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 7:18pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:14pm: Palestinians to be accorded the automatic Right of Return to either state as would be Jews as well.You do know that Israel would start getting terrorist attacks again Brian? Why, Hammer?  You seem to assume that the Palestinians are untrustworthy.  I don't trust the Israelis as far as I can throw them.   The Palestinians have done everything the Israelis wanted - they have recognised the State of Israel.  They recognised it's right to exist.   What have the Israelis done in return?  NOTHING.   Even so, the Palestinians have not engaged in another Interfada.  There has been no general uprising against Israeli rule in the West Bank.  There have been no new wave of bombing...     The jews did get a load of people blown to bits when they were more integrated Brian. The middle east is more unstable than ever. It would be worse. I don't believe in jewish expansion but I do see the need to keep them separated. There's no other option. So, you support the Israeli Ethnic Cleansing effort and their theft of the Palestinian lands, Hammer? How...nice of you...how...kind of you. So much for believing in the rights of the oppressed...   ::)

the marxists saw the "game was up ' for economic arguements for socialism with the fall of the USSR.
marxism was always about hatred of the rich more then love of the poor .

so , they were left , with needing a new way to hate the successful (its very troubling to hate success and it probably reflects hatred for your own unfulfilled potential).

enter the french intellectuals derada and focault.

they , deftly, moved marxism from an economic theory to a social theory.  that all structures are set up as power structures and that you always have the oppressed and those doing the oppressing.

and by hiding behind various "victim" group who they define as being "oppressed", they can shield themselves from any criticism.
like ISIS, you cant attack people like bwian without also being seen to attack the victims they hide behind.


and they will tell you that their philosophy is all about the love of the oppressed groups. thats the virtue signalling and its very seductive.

but even more seductive is the emotion of hate.
because they now can give themselves personal permission to go on a carte blanche , all out campaign of "hate" against anyone or anything that is successful, because, by definition (their definition), you cant be successful without oppressing someone.

its so wrong on so many levels.

and they tell themselves its all about wanting to help the oppressed. but they couldnt give a rats about the oppressed. its all about the hate. thats the kicker  ;)

So bwian...  when will you address some FACTS?


YOU NEED TO STOP MUDDYING THE WATERS BWIAN AND FACE SOME FACTS...

Tsk, tsk, tsk...
One more time bwian.... 
one more time to expose your ignorance.

Really bwian.

Isn't it true there is no State of Palestine?
Isn't it true there are no real Palestinians?
Isn't it true that the BRITISH MANDATE FOR PALESTINE  was divided up?
Isn't it true that most of it is now Jordan an Arab nation?
Is this not a map of the Ottoman Empire before the war and the dividing up of the Empire?

http://istanbulclues.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Decline-of-Ottoman-Empire-Map-1914-World-War.jpg

Come on bwian...  you know better than to lie your arse off obfuscate and be disingenuous all the time...

it just doesn't work.

Address the facts bwian.

Grendel wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 8:17am:

Come on bwian...  you know better than to lie your arse off obfuscate and be disingenuous all the time... it just doesn't work. Address the facts bwian.

bwian and the millions of bwians dont know any palestinians and they certainly dont care about any palestinians.

but they see a strong successful virulent israeli and they see what they could be and should be but arent.

and they just cant take it.
they cant take the success because it shoves it in their face that they are a sad little ineffectual puke.

and their ego has to find a way of hating on the superior man whilst maintaining the charade of being "a nice guy, just a nice nice harmless guy".

run a mile from that person.

that person will gladly put you in the gulag and torture you.
that person is trouble.
and they are trouble with a capital T because they are resentful and bitter and the virtue signalling is a disguise

Yes bwian is a "gulag" kinda guy and reading his dishonest prognostications for 2 decades is "torture".

Grendel wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 8:38am:

Yes bwian is a "gulag" kinda guy and reading his dishonest prognostications for 2 decades is "torture".

 

LOL.

its a deadly combination and so addictive.

the left get to feel all morally superior which is sort of addictive but the REAL addiction is the hate.

hate is always more addictive then feeling virtuous.
feeling virtuous wont make you happy.

but when you get to hate and feel virtuous at the same time.

thats just deadly addictive.
thats the heroin and the cocaine being mainlined.

and just look at these lefties.

they have to get their fix of virtue and their fix of hate and they have to get it over and over again.

lets be real here.
bwian probably cant even organise his desk
he probably has trouble getting motivated to wash the dishes or eat good food or hit the gym.

those things are really mundane and simple.

the situation in palestine is incredibly complex.
imagine you saw a broken helicopter.
would you just go start tinkering because you think its broken and you should fix it.
well, palestine is way more complex then a broken helicopter.

learn some humility.
you wouldnt go telling an aviation mechanic how to fix a chopper, so what the hell right do the millions of bwains have to think they should "announce to the world" their plans for fixing the bloody middle east.

learn some humility.
wash the dishes, clean up your desk, sort yourself out.
thats about all most people are capable of.

having an opinion on palestine ?
you have to be kidding me  ;)

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I'd be careful whom you jump into bed with Aquascoot.   You never know what you might catch.   Tsk, tsk.  You know very little about me.  I have been friends with Israelis and Palestinians over the years.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 4:21pm:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I'd be careful whom you jump into bed with Aquascoot.   You never know what you might catch.   Tsk, tsk.  You know very little about me.  I have been friends with Israelis and Palestinians over the years.   ::) ::)

Well, as long as it's not whatever you caught all those years ago that crippled your mind, Bwian.  tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)

Would you find it easier bwian if I posted 1 fact at a time for you?

Is this not a map of the Ottoman Empire before the war and the dividing up of the Empire?

http://istanbulclues.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Decline-of-Ottoman-Empire-Map-1914-World-War.jpg


:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Perhaps you have Herpes of the mind bwian...  perhaps that's why all you can do these days is troll. ::)

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 6:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2017 at 4:21pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I'd be careful whom you jump into bed with Aquascoot.   You never know what you might catch.   Tsk, tsk.  You know very little about me.  I have been friends with Israelis and Palestinians over the years.   ::) ::) Well, as long as it's not whatever you caught all those years ago that crippled your mind, Bwian.  tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)

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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Along comes Soren telling his tales of spite and hatred.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

OK bwian I'll take your attempt to ignore a fact you don't like as a YES...

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 6:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 14th, 2017 at 6:15pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2017 at 4:21pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I'd be careful whom you jump into bed with Aquascoot.   You never know what you might catch.   Tsk, tsk.  You know very little about me.  I have been friends with Israelis and Palestinians over the years.   ::) ::) Well, as long as it's not whatever you caught all those years ago that crippled your mind, Bwian.  tsk, tsk.  ::) ::) \ http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Along comes Soren telling his tales of spite and hatred.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Listen to Dickeaddle!!! Spews crap and then gets all touchy!!!

Two-faced, dishonest, spineless, squishy, hypocritical, stupid, lying - Bwian, you cover it all. You can kiss your own arse in gratitude and reverence. You stand alone.

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 10:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2017 at 6:57pm: Frank wrote on Dec 14th, 2017 at 6:15pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2017 at 4:21pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I'd be careful whom you jump into bed with Aquascoot.   You never know what you might catch.   Tsk, tsk.  You know very little about me.  I have been friends with Israelis and Palestinians over the years.   ::) ::) Well, as long as it's not whatever you caught all those years ago that crippled your mind, Bwian.  tsk, tsk.  ::) ::) \ http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Along comes Soren telling his tales of spite and hatred.  Tsk, tsk.    ::) Listen to Dickeaddle!!! Spews crap and then gets all touchy!!! Two-faced, dishonest, spineless, squishy, hypocritical, stupid, lying - Bwian, you cover it all. You can kiss your own arse in gratitude and reverence. You stand alone.

Do you remember the Cubs' motto, dear boy?

Karnal wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 10:04pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 14th, 2017 at 10:01pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2017 at 6:57pm: Frank wrote on Dec 14th, 2017 at 6:15pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2017 at 4:21pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I'd be careful whom you jump into bed with Aquascoot.   You never know what you might catch.   Tsk, tsk.  You know very little about me.  I have been friends with Israelis and Palestinians over the years.   ::) ::) Well, as long as it's not whatever you caught all those years ago that crippled your mind, Bwian.  tsk, tsk.  ::) ::) \ http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Along comes Soren telling his tales of spite and hatred.  Tsk, tsk.    ::) Listen to Dickeaddle!!! Spews crap and then gets all touchy!!! Two-faced, dishonest, spineless, squishy, hypocritical, stupid, lying - Bwian, you cover it all. You can kiss your own arse in gratitude and reverence. You stand alone. Do you remember the Cubs' motto, dear boy?

Your motto? "Latch onto the crack and hang on, ready or not"? Is that is?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 4:21pm:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I'd be careful whom you jump into bed with Aquascoot.   You never know what you might catch.   Tsk, tsk.  You know very little about me.  I have been friends with Israelis and Palestinians over the years.   ::) ::)

if that were true, then you would hopefully be giving the palestinians the advice to clean up their act, quit with the self pity and start the slow climb of self improvement

Hey bwian...  the FACTS aren't going away... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

So bwian...  when will you address some FACTS?


YOU NEED TO STOP MUDDYING THE WATERS BWIAN AND FACE SOME FACTS...

Tsk, tsk, tsk...
One more time bwian.... 
one more time to expose your ignorance.

Really bwian.

Isn't it true there is no State of Palestine?
Isn't it true there are no real Palestinians?
Isn't it true that the BRITISH MANDATE FOR PALESTINE  was divided up?
Isn't it true that most of it is now Jordan an Arab nation?
Is this not a map of the Ottoman Empire before the war and the dividing up of the Empire?

http://istanbulclues.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Decline-of-Ottoman-Empire-Map-1914-World-War.jpg

hey bwian....  how accurate is this...

http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/mandate_for_palestine/1920-mandate_for_palestine.jpg

hey bwian is this the dumbest idea the UN ever had or what?

http://www.varimail.com/asp/broadcast/ILIST/map.jpg

How ya going there bwian?

http://jewsdownunder.com/wp-content/uploads/mandate-for-palestine.png

So bwian....
please correct the following...


Quote:

What is now Jordan has been inhabited by humans since the Paleolithic period. Three stable kingdoms emerged there at the end of the Bronze Age: Ammon, Moab and Edom. Later rulers include the Nabataean Kingdom, the Roman Empire, and the Ottoman Empire. After the Great Arab Revolt against the Ottomans in 1916 during World War I, the Ottoman Empire was partitioned by Britain and France. The Emirate of Transjordan was established in 1921 by the then Emir Abdullah I and it became a British protectorate. In 1946, Jordan became an independent state officially known as The Hashemite Kingdom of Transjordan. Jordan captured the West Bank during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, which it later lost in 1967, and the name of the state was changed to The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in 1949. Jordan is a founding member of the Arab League and the Organisation of Islamic Co-operation, and is one of two Arab states to have signed a peace treaty with Israel. The country is a constitutional monarchy, but the king holds wide executive and legislative powers.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 8:34am:

Grendel wrote on Dec 14th, 2017 at 8:17am: Come on bwian...  you know better than to lie your arse off obfuscate and be disingenuous all the time... it just doesn't work. Address the facts bwian. bwian and the millions of bwians dont know any palestinians and they certainly dont care about any palestinians. but they see a strong successful virulent israeli and they see what they could be and should be but arent. and they just cant take it. they cant take the success because it shoves it in their face that they are a sad little ineffectual puke. Wow! That’s a ‘Tour de Force’ post, Aqua. Another few posts like this and Brian will have to be put on 24-hour ‘Suicide Watch’ by a couple of Blind Freddie’s. P and their ego has to find a way of hating on the superior man whilst maintaining the charade of being "a nice guy, just a nice nice harmless guy". run a mile from that person. that person will gladly put you in the gulag and torture you. that person is trouble. and they are trouble with a capital T because they are resentful and bitter and the virtue signalling is a disguise

Bwian! Oooooooooh Bwian!!!!!!

aquascoot wrote on Dec 15^th, 2017 at 6:08am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2017 at 4:21pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I'd be careful whom you jump into bed with Aquascoot.   You never know what you might catch.   Tsk, tsk.  You know very little about me.  I have been friends with Israelis and Palestinians over the years.   ::) ::) if that were true, then you would hopefully be giving the palestinians the advice to clean up their act, quit with the self pity and start the slow climb of self improvement

Unlike you, I don't claim to understand the world and offer advice to all and sundry on how they are living their lives all wrong according to your beliefs, Aquascoot.   Tsk, tsk, ever thought of writing an Agony Column for the newspapers?   You might earn some cash from the gullible.   ::)

Grendel wrote on Dec 15^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

Bwian! Oooooooooh Bwian!!!!!!

Why are you obsessed with Brian Ross?

Quote:

Unlike you, I don't claim to understand the world

;D

Obsession isn't the word for it.
I've known bwian; troll and bigger troll... for decades.
He never changes...  he's just trying his ignore tactic on now...  well I'll just keep asking and posting facts that frankly don't support his distorted view of the world.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:14pm: Palestinians to be accorded the automatic Right of Return to either state as would be Jews as well.You do know that Israel would start getting terrorist attacks again Brian? Why, Hammer?  You seem to assume that the Palestinians are untrustworthy.  I don't trust the Israelis as far as I can throw them.   The Palestinians have done everything the Israelis wanted - they have recognised the State of Israel.  They recognised it's right to exist.   What have the Israelis done in return?  NOTHING.   Even so, the Palestinians have not engaged in another Interfada.  There has been no general uprising against Israeli rule in the West Bank.  There have been no new wave of bombing...

Who recognised Israel's right to exist?

Isn't that setting the bar a bit low? Have we recognised New Zealand's right to exist yet?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country. But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...    Are you trying to disagree with me Brian? Or just trying to hold Israel to a different standard? Not sure what you mean, FD.  I am holding Israel to the standard I hold all nations to - that of decency.  They can conscript who they like but in failing to conscript the Palestinians, the Israelis, according to Moshe Dayan - their most senior  General - made a grave mistake.   A mistake they are now paying for.    ::)

So it is indecent of the Jews to not force Muslims to fight for Israel?

Do you agree that Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive regions on earth?

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:08pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians? Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    ::) Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country. But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...    Are you trying to disagree with me Brian? Or just trying to hold Israel to a different standard? Not sure what you mean, FD.  I am holding Israel to the standard I hold all nations to - that of decency.  They can conscript who they like but in failing to conscript the Palestinians, the Israelis, according to Moshe Dayan - their most senior  General - made a grave mistake.   A mistake they are now paying for.    ::) So it is indecent of the Jews to not force Muslims to fight for Israel? Do you agree that Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive regions on earth?

How about the next South Korea, FD?