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Message started by Baronvonrort on Nov 15th, 2017 at 11:39am

Title: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 15th, 2017 at 11:39am
The top 9 No voting electorates are all held by Labor.

https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/930600721505853440

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Armchair_Politician on Nov 15th, 2017 at 11:45am
And as Turnbull stated, Labor was against this during their 6 years in office. They did diddly squat for SSM. It wasn't until there was a Coalition government that this issue was suddenly so imperative. There couldn't be a clearer example of Labor playing politics with people's lives.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 15th, 2017 at 11:47am
I'm not sure how anyone can make this about labor.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 15th, 2017 at 11:47am
Only surprise of that twitter post was that it was Rita Panahi and not Miranda Devine

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by John Smith on Nov 15th, 2017 at 11:51am

not sure why anyone is surprised. A lot of old time wogs in Labor electorates would never support SSM.

I'm trying to work out why the retards on here are gloating about it. What exactly do you think it proves?

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 15th, 2017 at 12:00pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 11:47am:
Only surprise of that twitter post was that it was Rita Panahi and not Miranda Devine


I don't read Miranda, Rita had the data so I used her for a link.

Rita is an ex muslim from Iran, of course the lefties don't like ex muslims who have lived under sharia law criticising Islam they call them Islamophobes, for some reason the lefties don't have any problems with people who criticise all other religions.
Islam is a sacred cow to the morally bankrupt lefties.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 15th, 2017 at 12:01pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 11:47am:
I'm not sure how anyone can make this about labor.


The top 9 electorates in saying NO to poofter marriages are all held by Labor.

I wonder if those people will vote Labor in the next election.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 15th, 2017 at 12:11pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 12:01pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 11:47am:
I'm not sure how anyone can make this about labor.


The top 9 electorates in saying NO to poofter marriages are all held by Labor.

I wonder if those people will vote Labor in the next election.




More than likely, if they are more than just one issue ponies.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 15th, 2017 at 12:11pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 12:00pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 11:47am:
Only surprise of that twitter post was that it was Rita Panahi and not Miranda Devine


I don't read Miranda, Rita had the data so I used her for a link.

Rita is an ex muslim from Iran, of course the lefties don't like ex muslims who have lived under sharia law criticising Islam they call them Islamophobes, for some reason the lefties don't have any problems with people who criticise all other religions.
Islam is a sacred cow to the morally bankrupt lefties.




I'm not fussed about that, I just don't consider her a journo, like any other columnist hack.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by tickleandrose on Nov 15th, 2017 at 1:58pm
This means that labor MP is willing to do the right thing and put national interest first, rather than their political gains.  I cannot imagine the liberals would do the same. 

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Grendel on Nov 15th, 2017 at 2:04pm
Well tribal voters like those in the ALP are simply SHEEPLE.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 15th, 2017 at 2:05pm
Well looking at where they are its just as accurate to say Top 9 No Votes are bogan electorates.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by juliar on Nov 15th, 2017 at 2:11pm
Maybe in those electorates the Greenies did not go around pinching SSM letters and illegally voting or they might be the ISLAMIC electorates who would certainly vote NO.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 15th, 2017 at 2:12pm

juliar wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
Maybe in those electorates the Greenies did not go around pinching SSM letters and illegally voting or they might be the ISLAMIC electorates who would certainly vote NO.


"illegally voting"    ;D

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Grendel on Nov 15th, 2017 at 3:06pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 2:05pm:
Well looking at where they are its just as accurate to say Top 9 No Votes are bogan electorates.

Except most are Labor electorates eh...

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 15th, 2017 at 3:58pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 2:05pm:
Well looking at where they are its just as accurate to say Top 9 No Votes are bogan electorates.


The electorate that topped the list for NO to poofter marriages is Keatings old seat of Blaxland.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by juliar on Nov 15th, 2017 at 5:03pm
What is puzzling is why would normal straight people have so much interest in this GAY rubbish ?

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by The Mechanic on Nov 15th, 2017 at 6:29pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 11:47am:
I'm not sure how anyone can make this about labor.


most likely because you are retarded..

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by The Mechanic on Nov 15th, 2017 at 6:31pm

juliar wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 5:03pm:
What is puzzling is why would normal straight people have so much interest in this GAY rubbish ?


the lights are going off in their own households and all they can think about is putting a penis up another mans bum...


Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by thecuriousmail on Nov 15th, 2017 at 6:42pm

juliar wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 5:03pm:
What is puzzling is why would normal straight people have so much interest in this GAY rubbish ?


Well, ask Jesus. Or Buddha. Or any of the great moral teachers. It's about empathy, compassion, putting yourself in another's shoes. And understanding you are not in such an exalted position to demand perfection when you yourself are imperfect.
Conservatives do not comprehend this.

John 8:3-7
The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”


Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Dnarever on Nov 15th, 2017 at 7:10pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 11:47am:
I'm not sure how anyone can make this about labor.


If you eat toast for breakfast they would make that about Labor, just how it is.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Dnarever on Nov 15th, 2017 at 7:30pm

Grendel wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 2:04pm:
Well tribal voters like those in the ALP are simply SHEEPLE.


I would think that the main reason that Liberals are in power is that they have many more sheeple in their tribe.

Not to mention the devout followers of Baaarnaby.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Lord Herbert on Nov 15th, 2017 at 7:36pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 11:51am:
not sure why anyone is surprised. A lot of old time wogs in Labor electorates would never support SSM.

I'm trying to work out why the retards on here are gloating about it. What exactly do you think it proves?


It proves that you Lefties are all in favour of a 'Multicultural Australia' replacing Anglo-Australia, but then bitch-and-whine when the 'diversity' of these ethnic minorities contradicts your own prejudices.

Suck it up, Johnno.


link

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Ajax on Nov 15th, 2017 at 7:46pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 11:39am:
The top 9 No voting electorates are all held by Labor.

https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/930600721505853440


Man boobs has lost touch.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Dnarever on Nov 15th, 2017 at 7:49pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 11:51am:
not sure why anyone is surprised. A lot of old time wogs in Labor electorates would never support SSM.

I'm trying to work out why the retards on here are gloating about it. What exactly do you think it proves?


It proves that you Lefties are all in favour of a 'Multicultural Australia' replacing Anglo-Australia, but then bitch-and-whine when the 'diversity' of these ethnic minorities contradicts your own prejudices.

Suck it up, Johnno.


link


I don't think that anyone minds people who vote no based on their religious beliefs.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Lord Herbert on Nov 15th, 2017 at 7:49pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 6:31pm:
the lights are going off in their own households and all they can think about is putting a penis up another mans bum...



That's a good reason for keeping the lights on.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by thecuriousmail on Nov 15th, 2017 at 7:51pm

Ajax wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 7:46pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 11:39am:
The top 9 No voting electorates are all held by Labor.

https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/930600721505853440


Man boobs has lost touch.


Are you inferring that due to the high 'no' vote, labor may/likely loose those seats they now currently hold?

Tony Abbott had a large 'yes' vote in his electorate, and he campaigned for the 'no' side. Will abbott may'/likely lose his seat then?

Or much ado about nothing with the inferences?

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by John Smith on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:03pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 11:51am:
not sure why anyone is surprised. A lot of old time wogs in Labor electorates would never support SSM.

I'm trying to work out why the retards on here are gloating about it. What exactly do you think it proves?


It proves that you Lefties are all in favour of a 'Multicultural Australia' replacing Anglo-Australia, but then bitch-and-whine when the 'diversity' of these ethnic minorities contradicts your own prejudices.

Suck it up, Johnno.


there's no bitching and whining herbie, least not from me. Times have changed, the old wogs opinions are now the minority.

Are you pretending old poms are all in favour of SSM? ;D ;D

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Gordon on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:08pm
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Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by miketrees on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:18pm
I wonder if those people will vote Labor in the next election.


These are the brain damaged Labor voters, they cant remember past about 3 days.
They will be voting Labor

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Mr Hammer on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:35pm
The media in Sydney has been banging on about Western Sydney and implying they are all homophobes. Typical.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:36pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:35pm:
The media in Sydney has been banging on about Western Sydney and implying they are all homophobes. Typical.


Aren't you?


Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Mr Hammer on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:38pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:35pm:
The media in Sydney has been banging on about Western Sydney and implying they are all homophobes. Typical.


Aren't you?
Homophobic? Nope. I don't fear gay people.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:39pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:35pm:
The media in Sydney has been banging on about Western Sydney and implying they are all homophobes. Typical.


Aren't you?
Homophobic? Nope. I don't fear gay people.


Yes you do.

You poo your little panties every time you see one.

So, why lie?


Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Leftwinger on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:41pm
It matters little , yes won

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Mr Hammer on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:41pm
7 million yes to 4 million no. That shows the whole issue is still very divided. No party will touch it because they fear losing votes. I'm pretty sure Labor won't touch it because of where the no votes came from. Shorten will insist on Turdball doing something about it.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Mr Hammer on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:42pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:39pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:35pm:
The media in Sydney has been banging on about Western Sydney and implying they are all homophobes. Typical.


Aren't you?
Homophobic? Nope. I don't fear gay people.


Yes you do.

You poo your little panties every time you see one.

So, why lie?

At least I don't crack an erection like you do.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:42pm

Its time wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
It matters little , yes won


Indeed.

Every state, and every territory.

Suck it up, rightards   ;D

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Mr Hammer on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:43pm

Its time wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
It matters little , yes won
So do you believe Labor will bring the change in if they get government.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:44pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:39pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:35pm:
The media in Sydney has been banging on about Western Sydney and implying they are all homophobes. Typical.


Aren't you?
Homophobic? Nope. I don't fear gay people.


Yes you do.

You poo your little panties every time you see one.

So, why lie?

At least I don't crack an erection like you do.


Ask your doctor for a prescription.

There are little blue pills that can help you.


Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:44pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:43pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
It matters little , yes won
So do you believe Labor will bring the change in if they get government.


What change?


Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by JC Denton on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:44pm
yeah it's bc of bill shorten's "big australia" fodder. even my electorate (parkes), the most rural electorate in nsw, went yes.


Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Mr Hammer on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:45pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:42pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
It matters little , yes won


Indeed.

Every state, and every territory.

Suck it up, rightards   ;D

Personally I couldn't give a rats ass. I don't understand why anybody would want to get married.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Mr Hammer on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:43pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
It matters little , yes won
So do you believe Labor will bring the change in if they get government.


What change?

putting through the legislation.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:47pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:42pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
It matters little , yes won


Indeed.

Every state, and every territory.

Suck it up, rightards   ;D

Personally I couldn't give a rats ass. I don't understand why anybody would want to get married.


I don't understand why anyone would want to listen to Taylor Swift, but I'm not about to stand outside one of her concerts, with a banner, asking for her music to be banned.


Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:48pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:43pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
It matters little , yes won
So do you believe Labor will bring the change in if they get government.


What change?

putting through the legislation.


Have you watched any news today?

Turnbull is putting it through, right now.


Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Leftwinger on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:48pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:43pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
It matters little , yes won
So do you believe Labor will bring the change in if they get government.


When Labor win government gay marriage will already be law , and Malcolm would've been knifed by the right along with those that cross floor to vote with Labor

Such a skilled tactician our Bill  :)

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Mr Hammer on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:49pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:48pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:43pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
It matters little , yes won
So do you believe Labor will bring the change in if they get government.


What change?

putting through the legislation.


Have you watched any news today?

Turnbull is putting it through, right now.

post a link and I'll happily agree.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:52pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:48pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:43pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
It matters little , yes won
So do you believe Labor will bring the change in if they get government.


What change?

putting through the legislation.


Have you watched any news today?

Turnbull is putting it through, right now.

post a link and I'll happily agree.


"Liberal Senator Dean Smith's private members bill has been introduced to Federal Parliament. There will now be debate about amendments to the law, including extra religious protections."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-15/live-blog-same-sex-marriage-survey-results-ssm/9134066

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Mr Hammer on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:48pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:43pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
It matters little , yes won
So do you believe Labor will bring the change in if they get government.


What change?

putting through the legislation.


Have you watched any news today?

Turnbull is putting it through, right now.

post a link and I'll happily agree.


"Liberal Senator Dean Smith's private members bill has been introduced to Federal Parliament. There will now be debate about amendments to the law, including extra religious protections."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-15/live-blog-same-sex-marriage-survey-results-ssm/9134066

Nothing has been agreed to. A lot of those safe Liberal seats are anti gay god botherers. Turdball won't take the risk alienating them. The 2 parties will throw it around like a hot potato. Just you watch princess. 4 million no votes is a bloody lot.

Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 15th, 2017 at 9:00pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:48pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:43pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
It matters little , yes won
So do you believe Labor will bring the change in if they get government.


What change?

putting through the legislation.


Have you watched any news today?

Turnbull is putting it through, right now.

post a link and I'll happily agree.


"Liberal Senator Dean Smith's private members bill has been introduced to Federal Parliament. There will now be debate about amendments to the law, including extra religious protections."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-15/live-blog-same-sex-marriage-survey-results-ssm/9134066

Nothing has been agreed to.


The bill has been introduced.

Come Christmas, Homo, you're going to be forced to marry a man.

Get used to it.

Next year, it's your dog.


Title: Re: Top 9 No Votes are labor electorates
Post by Mr Hammer on Nov 15th, 2017 at 9:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 9:00pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:48pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:43pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
It matters little , yes won
So do you believe Labor will bring the change in if they get government.


What change?

putting through the legislation.


Have you watched any news today?

Turnbull is putting it through, right now.

post a link and I'll happily agree.


"Liberal Senator Dean Smith's private members bill has been introduced to Federal Parliament. There will now be debate about amendments to the law, including extra religious protections."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-15/live-blog-same-sex-marriage-survey-results-ssm/9134066

Nothing has been agreed to.


The bill has been introduced.

Come Christmas, Homo, you're going to be forced to marry a man.

Get used to it.

Next year, it's your dog.

Like I said, I don't care. It would be very satisfying if it stalled because you'd have a sissy conniption fit. I'd like that.

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