.. link

Blacktown's on the list, and that's because this Sydney outer suburb is stiff with Africans, and in all truth I'm reluctant to call them 'bludgers'. The manufacturing industries have gone off-shore, and so these guys have been left 'warehoused' with not too many job options available to them.

'Auburn' ... ie. Muslim Central.

So! Craigieburn, Victoria.  Let's have a look at the demographic, shall we?

Oh no, I didn't expect this at all ...  This comes as quite a shock.  8-)

Quote: "Language:-

English was stated as the only language spoken at home by 50.1% of persons usually resident in Craigieburn, which is less than the Australian average of 76.8%."

ie 50% don't speak English at home .....

Dear O Dear O Dear ....

Next:

"Religion:-

In the 2011 Census, the most common responses for religious affiliation for persons usually resident in Craigieburn were Catholic 39.8%, No Religion 10.8%, Anglican 6.4%, Eastern Orthodox 5.1% and Islam 14.9%, Compared to Australia as a whole, Craigieburn has more Catholics (39.8% compared to 25.3%), fewer Anglicans (6.4% compared to 17.1%), more Eastern Orthodox (5.1% compared to 2.6%), and more Muslims (14.9% compared to 2.2%)."

Dear O Dear O Dear ... WHY are we not surprised?

Yes ... it's another rat's nest of Muslims over there, just like in Auburn.

No job within 3 years? Deportation.

Poll added, Herr Bert.

"Would you employ a Muslim?"

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 5:27pm:

.. link Blacktown's on the list, and that's because this Sydney outer suburb is stiff with Africans, and in all truth I'm reluctant to call them 'bludgers'. The manufacturing industries have gone off-shore, and so these guys have been left 'warehoused' with not too many job options available to them. 'Auburn' ... ie. Muslim Central. So! Craigieburn, Victoria.  Let's have a look at the demographic, shall we? Oh no, I didn't expect this at all ...  This comes as quite a shock.  8-) Quote: "Language:- English was stated as the only language spoken at home by 50.1% of persons usually resident in Craigieburn, which is less than the Australian average of 76.8%." ie 50% don't speak English at home ..... Dear O Dear O Dear .... Next: "Religion:- In the 2011 Census, the most common responses for religious affiliation for persons usually resident in Craigieburn were Catholic 39.8%, No Religion 10.8%, Anglican 6.4%, Eastern Orthodox 5.1% and Islam 14.9%, Compared to Australia as a whole, Craigieburn has more Catholics (39.8% compared to 25.3%), fewer Anglicans (6.4% compared to 17.1%), more Eastern Orthodox (5.1% compared to 2.6%), and more Muslims (14.9% compared to 2.2%)." Dear O Dear O Dear ... WHY are we not surprised? Yes ... it's another rat's nest of Muslims over there, just like in Auburn. No job within 3 years? Deportation.

3 years?????

3 months, no job, send them back

Better still, 3 hours.

Even better, dont let them in at all.

Valkie wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 6:15pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 5:27pm: .. link Blacktown's on the list, and that's because this Sydney outer suburb is stiff with Africans, and in all truth I'm reluctant to call them 'bludgers'. The manufacturing industries have gone off-shore, and so these guys have been left 'warehoused' with not too many job options available to them. 'Auburn' ... ie. Muslim Central. So! Craigieburn, Victoria.  Let's have a look at the demographic, shall we? Oh no, I didn't expect this at all ...  This comes as quite a shock.  8-) Quote: "Language:- English was stated as the only language spoken at home by 50.1% of persons usually resident in Craigieburn, which is less than the Australian average of 76.8%." ie 50% don't speak English at home ..... Dear O Dear O Dear .... Next: "Religion:- In the 2011 Census, the most common responses for religious affiliation for persons usually resident in Craigieburn were Catholic 39.8%, No Religion 10.8%, Anglican 6.4%, Eastern Orthodox 5.1% and Islam 14.9%, Compared to Australia as a whole, Craigieburn has more Catholics (39.8% compared to 25.3%), fewer Anglicans (6.4% compared to 17.1%), more Eastern Orthodox (5.1% compared to 2.6%), and more Muslims (14.9% compared to 2.2%)." Dear O Dear O Dear ... WHY are we not surprised? Yes ... it's another rat's nest of Muslims over there, just like in Auburn. No job within 3 years? Deportation. 3 years????? 3 months, no job, send them back Better still, 3 hours. Even better, dont let them in at all.

Have you participated in the poll?

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 5:27pm:

"Religion:-

funny how 85% are non muslim, yet you only notice the less than 15% that is muslim

to quote what a tosser once said

Dear O Dear O Dear ... WHY are we not surprised?

So far, 75% of this forum say they would NOT employ a Muslim.

Don't you find that interesting, Herr Bert?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 6:34pm:

So far, 75% of this forum say they would NOT employ a Muslim. Don't you find that interesting, Herr Bert?

Hmm, no response from Herbert.

Maybe he's finally starting to see that it's people like him who are the problem.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 6:34pm:

So far, 75% of this forum say they would NOT employ a Muslim. Don't you find that interesting, Herr Bert?

I find it interesting that 49% of Australians don't want any more Muslims to be invited for immigration rights to Australia, with meanwhile our 'Representatives' (sic) down there in Canberra pay absolutely no heed to public opinion.

There's now a sizable collection of media personalities who openly say "Enough is Enough" with Muslims making the news reports every night of the week for all the wrong reasons. Time to bring down the immigration gate.

Would I employ a Muslim man or woman?

Not in a blind fit.

WAY too much risk of a violent kind if you should upset them in any way by not meeting their demands for special religious concessions, Prayer Rooms, Halal food, Islamic religious holidays, hijab-wearing, etc etc.

With just one call on their mobile phones the young Muslims can have a score of fellow-Muslims at your business door in no time - half of them 'in colours' on motor-bikes with funny names on their backs ... 'Brothers for Life' etc.

It's just not worth it.

If you cause them to 'lose face' because you have to play the role of 'Boss' sometimes in a way that you have to caution them to work more carefully or faster, or not use foul language, etc ~ it all comes with the risk of backlash violence.

It would be like playing with a loaded gun.

How many are happy to rent a room or bedsitter to an aborigine?

Real Estates by the score tell them "Sorry ~ No Vacancies".

Ultimately whose fault is it?

It's the fault of the Muslim Community for not controlling their tear-aways who appear as a fixture on our News Bulletins, and ditto the Abos.

Chickens coming home to roost.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 5:27pm:

.. link Blacktown's on the list, and that's because this Sydney outer suburb is stiff with Africans, and in all truth I'm reluctant to call them 'bludgers'. The manufacturing industries have gone off-shore, and so these guys have been left 'warehoused' with not too many job options available to them. 'Auburn' ... ie. Muslim Central. So! Craigieburn, Victoria.  Let's have a look at the demographic, shall we? Oh no, I didn't expect this at all ...  This comes as quite a shock.  8-) Quote: "Language:- English was stated as the only language spoken at home by 50.1% of persons usually resident in Craigieburn, which is less than the Australian average of 76.8%." ie 50% don't speak English at home ..... Dear O Dear O Dear .... Next: "Religion:- In the 2011 Census, the most common responses for religious affiliation for persons usually resident in Craigieburn were Catholic 39.8%, No Religion 10.8%, Anglican 6.4%, Eastern Orthodox 5.1% and Islam 14.9%, Compared to Australia as a whole, Craigieburn has more Catholics (39.8% compared to 25.3%), fewer Anglicans (6.4% compared to 17.1%), more Eastern Orthodox (5.1% compared to 2.6%), and more Muslims (14.9% compared to 2.2%)." Dear O Dear O Dear ... WHY are we not surprised? Yes ... it's another rat's nest of Muslims over there, just like in Auburn. No job within 3 years? Deportation.

What income are you on, Herbie?

I'm curious.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643823/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html

Enoch Powell's 'Rivers of Blood' speech.


Quote:

For these dangerous and divisive elements the legislation proposed in the Race Relations Bill is the very pabulum they need to flourish. Here is the means of showing that the immigrant communities can organise to consolidate their members, to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest with the legal weapons which the ignorant and the ill-informed have provided. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood."

John Smith wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 6:27pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 5:27pm: "Religion:- funny how 85% are non muslim, yet you only notice the less than 15% that is muslim to quote what a tosser once said Dear O Dear O Dear ... WHY are we not surprised?

If you owned a couple of investment properties, would you be happy to rent one out to a family of unemployed aborigines on the dole, and the other to a family of Indians who love Home Cooking?

Can I get an honest answer from you ... ?

Oh look! A pig just flew past my window!

Bobby. wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 7:51pm:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643823/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html Enoch Powell's 'Rivers of Blood' speech. Quote: For these dangerous and divisive elements the legislation proposed in the Race Relations Bill is the very pabulum they need to flourish. Here is the means of showing that the immigrant communities can organise to consolidate their members, to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest with the legal weapons which the ignorant and the ill-informed have provided. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood."

As Herbie says, the skies will turn red.

In the fullness of time, of course.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 7:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 6:27pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 5:27pm: "Religion:- funny how 85% are non muslim, yet you only notice the less than 15% that is muslim to quote what a tosser once said Dear O Dear O Dear ... WHY are we not surprised? If you owned a couple of investment properties, would you be happy to rent one out to a family of unemployed aborigines on the dole, and the other to a family of Indians who love Home Cooking? Can I get an honest answer from you ... ? Oh look! A pig just flew past my window!

Gordon chose the Injuns. What payment are you on, Herbie?

Bobby. wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 7:51pm:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643823/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html Enoch Powell's 'Rivers of Blood' speech. Quote: For these dangerous and divisive elements the legislation proposed in the Race Relations Bill is the very pabulum they need to flourish. Here is the means of showing that the immigrant communities can organise to consolidate their members, to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest with the legal weapons which the ignorant and the ill-informed have provided. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood."

He taught Classical Greek at Sydney University, but knew his Roman history too.

Silly Boy is back with the clever remarks.

John?

Did that just hit your Hypocrite Nerve?

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 8:00pm:

Silly Boy is back with the clever remarks.

Government assistance isn't silly, Herbie. I'd like to see it raised - even for immigrants.

You?

Karnal wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 7:51pm: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643823/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html Enoch Powell's 'Rivers of Blood' speech. Quote: For these dangerous and divisive elements the legislation proposed in the Race Relations Bill is the very pabulum they need to flourish. Here is the means of showing that the immigrant communities can organise to consolidate their members, to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest with the legal weapons which the ignorant and the ill-informed have provided. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood." As Herbie says, the skies will turn red. In the fullness of time, of course.

Enoch Powell's warnings went unheeded.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 7:46pm:

Would I employ a Muslim man or woman? Not in a blind fit.

Exactly.

And that's why it's people like you who are the problem.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 8:49pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 7:46pm: Would I employ a Muslim man or woman? Not in a blind fit. Exactly. And that's why it's people like you who are the problem.

Is Herbie an employer?

Sorry if I misunderstood here. I thought he was on the dole.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 8:49pm:

Exactly. And that's why it's people like you who are the problem.

More ad hominem.

Stop being such a child and address the subject matter.

More cutesy gibberish from the forum's blowfly.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 8:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 8:49pm: Exactly. And that's why it's people like you who are the problem. More ad hominem. Stop being such a child and address the subject matter.

Am I allowed to address it too, Herbie?

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 8:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 8:49pm: Exactly. And that's why it's people like you who are the problem. More ad hominem. Stop being such a child and address the subject matter.

More facts.

People like you are the problem.

And I'll never let you forget it.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 7:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 6:27pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 5:27pm: "Religion:- funny how 85% are non muslim, yet you only notice the less than 15% that is muslim to quote what a tosser once said Dear O Dear O Dear ... WHY are we not surprised? If you owned a couple of investment properties, would you be happy to rent one out to a family of unemployed aborigines on the dole, and the other to a family of Indians who love Home Cooking? Can I get an honest answer from you ... ? Oh look! A pig just flew past my window!

I would rent to anyone who passed my background checks. I look for their ability to pay the rent, tenancy history and criminal records. If they pass all those I don't care what nationality they are.

look, that pig is now in your mirror

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 8:04pm:

John? Did that just hit your Hypocrite Nerve?

fair go Herb, I had to go make an extra $5k.


thanks for asking ::) ::) ::)

John Smith wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 7:55pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 6:27pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 5:27pm: "Religion:- funny how 85% are non muslim, yet you only notice the less than 15% that is muslim to quote what a tosser once said Dear O Dear O Dear ... WHY are we not surprised? If you owned a couple of investment properties, would you be happy to rent one out to a family of unemployed aborigines on the dole, and the other to a family of Indians who love Home Cooking? Can I get an honest answer from you ... ? Oh look! A pig just flew past my window! I would rent to anyone who passed my background checks. I look for their ability to pay the rent, tenancy history and criminal records. If they pass all those I don't care what nationality they are. look, that pig is now in your mirror

Who are you kidding?

I'll rephrase it this way, Herb: which Centrelink payment do you receive?

Quote:

No job within 3 years? Deportation.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 11:13pm:

Who are you kidding?

what makes you think I'm kidding?

only people i might baulk at are real estate agents and horse trainers (irrespective of race).
They make terrible tenants.

Some teachers aren't that far behind either, although other teachers are brilliant.

John Smith wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 11:20pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 11:13pm: Who are you kidding? what makes you think I'm kidding? only people i might baulk at are real estate agents and horse trainers (irrespective of race). They make terrible tenants. Some teachers aren't that far behind either, although other teachers are brilliant.

Curry cooking smells that last for years are no problem, right?

..

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 7:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 6:34pm: So far, 75% of this forum say they would NOT employ a Muslim. Don't you find that interesting, Herr Bert? I find it interesting that 49% of Australians don't want any more Muslims to be invited for immigration rights to Australia, with meanwhile our 'Representatives' (sic) down there in Canberra pay absolutely no heed to public opinion. There's now a sizable collection of media personalities who openly say "Enough is Enough" with Muslims making the news reports every night of the week for all the wrong reasons. Time to bring down the immigration gate. Would I employ a Muslim man or woman? Not in a blind fit. WAY too much risk of a violent kind if you should upset them in any way by not meeting their demands for special religious concessions, Prayer Rooms, Halal food, Islamic religious holidays, hijab-wearing, etc etc. With just one call on their mobile phones the young Muslims can have a score of fellow-Muslims at your business door in no time - half of them 'in colours' on motor-bikes with funny names on their backs ... 'Brothers for Life' etc. It's just not worth it. If you cause them to 'lose face' because you have to play the role of 'Boss' sometimes in a way that you have to caution them to work more carefully or faster, or not use foul language, etc ~ it all comes with the risk of backlash violence. It would be like playing with a loaded gun. How many are happy to rent a room or bedsitter to an aborigine? Real Estates by the score tell them "Sorry ~ No Vacancies". Ultimately whose fault is it? It's the fault of the Muslim Community for not controlling their tear-aways who appear as a fixture on our News Bulletins, and ditto the Abos. Chickens coming home to roost.

This is totally true.

But the apologists and sympathisers do not see it for the truth it is.

Instead they see it as evidence of your intolerance, not the total failings of the communities that are unsociable.

I have seen the damage done to rented and housing community property by Aboriginals.

I read the papers, watch the TV and listen to the radio every day where most violence and murder is attributed to a tiny proportion of our population, the muzzos.

Perhaps, instead of playing the victim card, protesting about being persicuted and demanding more and more for nothing.
The muzzos and abbos could get off their collective asses and contribute to the community like the 97% of white Australians and other immigrants who actually work and pay taxes and benifit our country.

Parasites, like abbos and muzzos, just like ticks, will eventually do one of two things
1) kill the host with their poision.
2) be eliminated by the host and crushed beneath its feet.

Valkie wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 3:33am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 7:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 6:34pm: So far, 75% of this forum say they would NOT employ a Muslim. Don't you find that interesting, Herr Bert? I find it interesting that 49% of Australians don't want any more Muslims to be invited for immigration rights to Australia, with meanwhile our 'Representatives' (sic) down there in Canberra pay absolutely no heed to public opinion. There's now a sizable collection of media personalities who openly say "Enough is Enough" with Muslims making the news reports every night of the week for all the wrong reasons. Time to bring down the immigration gate. Would I employ a Muslim man or woman? Not in a blind fit. WAY too much risk of a violent kind if you should upset them in any way by not meeting their demands for special religious concessions, Prayer Rooms, Halal food, Islamic religious holidays, hijab-wearing, etc etc. With just one call on their mobile phones the young Muslims can have a score of fellow-Muslims at your business door in no time - half of them 'in colours' on motor-bikes with funny names on their backs ... 'Brothers for Life' etc. It's just not worth it. If you cause them to 'lose face' because you have to play the role of 'Boss' sometimes in a way that you have to caution them to work more carefully or faster, or not use foul language, etc ~ it all comes with the risk of backlash violence. It would be like playing with a loaded gun. How many are happy to rent a room or bedsitter to an aborigine? Real Estates by the score tell them "Sorry ~ No Vacancies". Ultimately whose fault is it? It's the fault of the Muslim Community for not controlling their tear-aways who appear as a fixture on our News Bulletins, and ditto the Abos. Chickens coming home to roost. This is totally true. But the apologists and sympathisers do not see it for the truth it is. Instead they see it as evidence of your intolerance, not the total failings of the communities that are unsociable. I have seen the damage done to rented and housing community property by Aboriginals. I read the papers, watch the TV and listen to the radio every day where most violence and murder is attributed to a tiny proportion of our population, the muzzos. Perhaps, instead of playing the victim card, protesting about being persicuted and demanding more and more for nothing. The muzzos and abbos could get off their collective asses and contribute to the community like the 97% of white Australians and other immigrants who actually work and pay taxes and benifit our country. Parasites, like abbos and muzzos, just like ticks, will eventually do one of two things 1) kill the host with their poision. 2) be eliminated by the host and crushed beneath its feet.

Why lie?

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 12:05am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 11:20pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 11:13pm: Who are you kidding? what makes you think I'm kidding? only people i might baulk at are real estate agents and horse trainers (irrespective of race). They make terrible tenants. Some teachers aren't that far behind either, although other teachers are brilliant. Curry cooking smells that last for years are no problem, right?

We'll ask Gordon. Gordon, are curry cooking smells a problem in your Harris Park tenements?

Let's hope he's more forthcoming with information than you, Herbie.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 12:05am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 11:20pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 11:13pm: Who are you kidding? what makes you think I'm kidding? only people i might baulk at are real estate agents and horse trainers (irrespective of race). They make terrible tenants. Some teachers aren't that far behind either, although other teachers are brilliant. Curry cooking smells that last for years are no problem, right?

I don't have to live there. As long as they pay the rent who gives a sh1t?

Karnal wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 11:16pm:

I'll rephrase it this way, Herb: which Centrelink payment do you receive?

Many of us are asking the same question regarding YOU!

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 8:54pm:

More cutesy gibberish from the forum's blowfly.

Which one in particular?

There are a few 😂😂😂😂😂

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 12:56pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 11:16pm: I'll rephrase it this way, Herb: which Centrelink payment do you receive? Many of us are asking the same question regarding YOU!

Have you ever thought of asking moi, dear?

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 12:57pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 8:54pm: More cutesy gibberish from the forum's blowfly. Which one in particular? There are a few 😂😂😂😂😂

That would be moi. Herbie doesn't understand the question.

I believe he's on the DSP, but I could be wrong.

He may not have qualified.

John Smith wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 12:05pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:05am: John Smith wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 11:20pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 11:13pm: Who are you kidding? what makes you think I'm kidding? only people i might baulk at are real estate agents and horse trainers (irrespective of race). They make terrible tenants. Some teachers aren't that far behind either, although other teachers are brilliant. Curry cooking smells that last for years are no problem, right? I don't have to live there. As long as they pay the rent who gives a sh1t?

The next prospective tenants?

Durrrr?

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 3:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:05pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:05am: John Smith wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 11:20pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 11:13pm: Who are you kidding? what makes you think I'm kidding? only people i might baulk at are real estate agents and horse trainers (irrespective of race). They make terrible tenants. Some teachers aren't that far behind either, although other teachers are brilliant. Curry cooking smells that last for years are no problem, right? I don't have to live there. As long as they pay the rent who gives a sh1t? The next prospective tenants? Durrrr?

You might want to give Herb's point some thought, Gordon.

Karnal wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 1:47pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:56pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 11:16pm: I'll rephrase it this way, Herb: which Centrelink payment do you receive? Many of us are asking the same question regarding YOU! Have you ever thought of asking moi, dear?

Yes.....but not on here.

Karnal wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 1:49pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:57pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 8:54pm: More cutesy gibberish from the forum's blowfly. Which one in particular? There are a few 😂😂😂😂😂 That would be moi. Herbie doesn't understand the question. I believe he's on the DSP, but I could be wrong. He may not have qualified.

Not a chance at his age. He's most probably on an old age pension.

Is that an issue for you?

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 3:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:05pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:05am: John Smith wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 11:20pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 11:13pm: Who are you kidding? what makes you think I'm kidding? only people i might baulk at are real estate agents and horse trainers (irrespective of race). They make terrible tenants. Some teachers aren't that far behind either, although other teachers are brilliant. Curry cooking smells that last for years are no problem, right? I don't have to live there. As long as they pay the rent who gives a sh1t? The next prospective tenants? Durrrr?

Ummm Herb.....you're chatting to an Abo dole bludging cyber troll who lives in Abo housing.

Real landlords eg MY HUSBSND AND I....DO care WHO we put into our properties.

And there's a few reasons why (which John Abo Dole Bludging Smith hasn't yet realized despite his sore and  over googled fingers)  ;D

77% wouldn't employ a Muslim.

If you did, he would ask a special favour that you also employ his cousin ... and then a few weeks later another cousin needs a job .... and a few weeks after that another cousin needs a job .... and ...

If at any point you refuse to be entirely agreeable and compliant with these requests, your name then slowly turns to shìt with the Muslims you've already kindly agreed to employ.

And now you've got a 'brotherhood' of related Muslims employed in your small factory metal-shop or carpentry business ... and you're a 'racist bastard' for refusing to take on yet another cousin of theirs .....

You now have a situation of rats in your silo ...

Alleged properties.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 4:21pm:

77% wouldn't employ a Muslim.

Exactly.

You and your ilk are the problem.

Don't whinge about unemployment, when you're actually helping to create it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 4:26pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 4:21pm: 77% wouldn't employ a Muslim. Exactly. You and your ilk are the problem. Don't whinge about unemployment, when you're actually helping to create it.

There are enough Muslim tow-truck operators, Smash Repairs shops, Take-Away food outlets, and dodgy Security firms to employ every last unemployed Muslim and thousands more.

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 4:14pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 1:49pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:57pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 8:54pm: More cutesy gibberish from the forum's blowfly. Which one in particular? There are a few 😂😂😂😂😂 That would be moi. Herbie doesn't understand the question. I believe he's on the DSP, but I could be wrong. He may not have qualified. Not a chance at his age. He's most probably on an old age pension. Is that an issue for you?

When he's bagging out immigrants for being on welfare benefits?

I'll have to think about that one, dear.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 4:26pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 4:21pm: 77% wouldn't employ a Muslim. Exactly. You and your ilk are the problem. Don't whinge about unemployment, when you're actually helping to create it.

Create it? Herbie's competing for it.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 4:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 4:26pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 4:21pm: 77% wouldn't employ a Muslim. Exactly. You and your ilk are the problem. Don't whinge about unemployment, when you're actually helping to create it. There are enough Muslim tow-truck operators, Smash Repairs shops, Take-Away food outlets, and dodgy Security firms to employ every last unemployed Muslim and thousands more.

First you say they're retarded (all have an IQ below 80), that they contribute nothing to society, and that none of them work.

Now you're saying they're running thousands of successful businesses right across the country.

Which is it, Herbie?

Mmmmm!!

To do a Bwian

"Nothing to see here folks just Sir Herpes being a racist as usual Tsk Tsk Tsk"

;)

I work with 2 Africans and at least 2 muslims. Both groups have shown to be competent workers and are no trouble to anyone. "Friendly, well-mannered people", I would call them.

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 9:46am:

I work with 2 Africans and at least 2 muslims. Both groups have shown to be competent workers and are no trouble to anyone. "Friendly, well-mannered people", I would call them.

Just wait 'til they comprise a sizable group within your small boutique factory.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 12:04pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:46am: I work with 2 Africans and at least 2 muslims. Both groups have shown to be competent workers and are no trouble to anyone. "Friendly, well-mannered people", I would call them. Just wait 'til they comprise a sizable group within your small boutique factory.

So, lots of Muslims work - is that what you're telling us, Herbie?

Your story keeps changing, so I think we need some clarity.

Are they all retarded (IQs of less than 80) and unemployed, or are they running successful businesses all over the country, and making up sizable groups within the workforce?

I'm curious.

Karnal wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 7:51pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 5:27pm: .. link Blacktown's on the list, and that's because this Sydney outer suburb is stiff with Africans, and in all truth I'm reluctant to call them 'bludgers'. The manufacturing industries have gone off-shore, and so these guys have been left 'warehoused' with not too many job options available to them. 'Auburn' ... ie. Muslim Central. So! Craigieburn, Victoria.  Let's have a look at the demographic, shall we? Oh no, I didn't expect this at all ...  This comes as quite a shock.  8-) Quote: "Language:- English was stated as the only language spoken at home by 50.1% of persons usually resident in Craigieburn, which is less than the Australian average of 76.8%." ie 50% don't speak English at home ..... Dear O Dear O Dear .... Next: "Religion:- In the 2011 Census, the most common responses for religious affiliation for persons usually resident in Craigieburn were Catholic 39.8%, No Religion 10.8%, Anglican 6.4%, Eastern Orthodox 5.1% and Islam 14.9%, Compared to Australia as a whole, Craigieburn has more Catholics (39.8% compared to 25.3%), fewer Anglicans (6.4% compared to 17.1%), more Eastern Orthodox (5.1% compared to 2.6%), and more Muslims (14.9% compared to 2.2%)." Dear O Dear O Dear ... WHY are we not surprised? Yes ... it's another rat's nest of Muslims over there, just like in Auburn. No job within 3 years? Deportation. What income are you on, Herbie? I'm curious.

Just a pre-empt here before I read any further ...

the Age Pension for someone that has worked most of their life is not.....

WELFARE.

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 12:17pm:

Just a pre-empt here before I read any further ... the Age Pension for someone that has worked most of their life is not..... WELFARE.

Of course it is, Gnads.

Why would that be a bad thing?

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 12:17pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 7:51pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 5:27pm: .. link Blacktown's on the list, and that's because this Sydney outer suburb is stiff with Africans, and in all truth I'm reluctant to call them 'bludgers'. The manufacturing industries have gone off-shore, and so these guys have been left 'warehoused' with not too many job options available to them. 'Auburn' ... ie. Muslim Central. So! Craigieburn, Victoria.  Let's have a look at the demographic, shall we? Oh no, I didn't expect this at all ...  This comes as quite a shock.  8-) Quote: "Language:- English was stated as the only language spoken at home by 50.1% of persons usually resident in Craigieburn, which is less than the Australian average of 76.8%." ie 50% don't speak English at home ..... Dear O Dear O Dear .... Next: "Religion:- In the 2011 Census, the most common responses for religious affiliation for persons usually resident in Craigieburn were Catholic 39.8%, No Religion 10.8%, Anglican 6.4%, Eastern Orthodox 5.1% and Islam 14.9%, Compared to Australia as a whole, Craigieburn has more Catholics (39.8% compared to 25.3%), fewer Anglicans (6.4% compared to 17.1%), more Eastern Orthodox (5.1% compared to 2.6%), and more Muslims (14.9% compared to 2.2%)." Dear O Dear O Dear ... WHY are we not surprised? Yes ... it's another rat's nest of Muslims over there, just like in Auburn. No job within 3 years? Deportation. What income are you on, Herbie? I'm curious. Just a pre-empt here before I read any further ... the Age Pension for someone that has worked most of their life is not..... WELFARE.

Um, yes it is.

Welfare isn't a bad word.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 12:15pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:04pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:46am: I work with 2 Africans and at least 2 muslims. Both groups have shown to be competent workers and are no trouble to anyone. "Friendly, well-mannered people", I would call them. Just wait 'til they comprise a sizable group within your small boutique factory. So, lots of Muslims work - is that what you're telling us, Herbie? Your story keeps changing, so I think we need some clarity. Are they all retarded (IQs of less than 80) and unemployed, or are they running successful businesses all over the country, and making up sizable groups within the workforce? I'm curious.

Herbie?

mothra wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 12:19pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:17pm: Just a pre-empt here before I read any further ... the Age Pension for someone that has worked most of their life is not..... WELFARE. Of course it is, Gnads. Why would that be a bad thing?

because the tack being taken is to try & say that someone who may be getting a pension ....

is in the same demographic as generational dole bludgers & immigrants that stay on welfare for years & years after arriving here.

Initially a small portion of your tax dollar was put aside in a fund that was used to finance pensions for those that reached retirement age & didn't have superannuation or much savings ......

this fund money was then just thrown into internal revenue for the general welfare budget.

A retired worker being on the Age Pension was not classed as  being on welfare/the dole.

Trying to score points by saying these people are living off welfare after they have contributed to it just like paying into Super is not right.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:17pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 7:51pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 5:27pm: .. link Blacktown's on the list, and that's because this Sydney outer suburb is stiff with Africans, and in all truth I'm reluctant to call them 'bludgers'. The manufacturing industries have gone off-shore, and so these guys have been left 'warehoused' with not too many job options available to them. 'Auburn' ... ie. Muslim Central. So! Craigieburn, Victoria.  Let's have a look at the demographic, shall we? Oh no, I didn't expect this at all ...  This comes as quite a shock.  8-) Quote: "Language:- English was stated as the only language spoken at home by 50.1% of persons usually resident in Craigieburn, which is less than the Australian average of 76.8%." ie 50% don't speak English at home ..... Dear O Dear O Dear .... Next: "Religion:- In the 2011 Census, the most common responses for religious affiliation for persons usually resident in Craigieburn were Catholic 39.8%, No Religion 10.8%, Anglican 6.4%, Eastern Orthodox 5.1% and Islam 14.9%, Compared to Australia as a whole, Craigieburn has more Catholics (39.8% compared to 25.3%), fewer Anglicans (6.4% compared to 17.1%), more Eastern Orthodox (5.1% compared to 2.6%), and more Muslims (14.9% compared to 2.2%)." Dear O Dear O Dear ... WHY are we not surprised? Yes ... it's another rat's nest of Muslims over there, just like in Auburn. No job within 3 years? Deportation. What income are you on, Herbie? I'm curious. Just a pre-empt here before I read any further ... the Age Pension for someone that has worked most of their life is not..... WELFARE. Um, yes it is. Welfare isn't a bad word.

Ummmm no it's not.

If they have worked & payed tax it is just like paying into Super.

They've earned it.

It's how pensions are funded in the UK & used to be here until useless Politicians stuffed it up.

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 12:37pm:

A retired worker being on the Age Pension was not classed as  being on welfare/the dole.

The Age Pension is for people older than the working age.

The Dole is for the unemployed.

They are both welfare.

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 12:37pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:19pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:17pm: Just a pre-empt here before I read any further ... the Age Pension for someone that has worked most of their life is not..... WELFARE. Of course it is, Gnads. Why would that be a bad thing? because the tack being taken is to try & say that someone who may be getting a pension .... is in the same demographic as generational dole bludgers & immigrants that stay on welfare for years & years after arriving here. Initially a small portion of your tax dollar was put aside in a fund that was used to finance pensions for those that reached retirement age & didn't have superannuation or much savings ...... this fund money was then just thrown into internal revenue for the general welfare budget. A retired worker being on the Age Pension was not classed as  being on welfare/the dole. Trying to score points by saying these people are living off welfare after they have contributed to it just like paying into Super is not right.

Ahhh. So in your mind, some people receiving a government allowance are just better people than other sorts and you would like to change the name of what they receive to reflect that.

What about people receiving the DSP for work related injuries?

What about parents who have been abandoned by their co-parent and left to care for young children with no support?

What about someone laid off and forced to collect benefits?

Would you like separate categories for each of them so we know how to judge them appropriately?

Of course, removing the stigma for welfare is a step beyond us as a species just yet.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 12:42pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:37pm: A retired worker being on the Age Pension was not classed as  being on welfare/the dole. The Age Pension is for people older than the working age. The Dole is for the unemployed. They are both welfare.

Pedantic Peccarhead.

If you reached retirement age & qualified for the Pension it was not classed as welfare and it shouldn't be now.

And I have explained why.

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 12:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:21pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:17pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 7:51pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 5:27pm: .. link Blacktown's on the list, and that's because this Sydney outer suburb is stiff with Africans, and in all truth I'm reluctant to call them 'bludgers'. The manufacturing industries have gone off-shore, and so these guys have been left 'warehoused' with not too many job options available to them. 'Auburn' ... ie. Muslim Central. So! Craigieburn, Victoria.  Let's have a look at the demographic, shall we? Oh no, I didn't expect this at all ...  This comes as quite a shock.  8-) Quote: "Language:- English was stated as the only language spoken at home by 50.1% of persons usually resident in Craigieburn, which is less than the Australian average of 76.8%." ie 50% don't speak English at home ..... Dear O Dear O Dear .... Next: "Religion:- In the 2011 Census, the most common responses for religious affiliation for persons usually resident in Craigieburn were Catholic 39.8%, No Religion 10.8%, Anglican 6.4%, Eastern Orthodox 5.1% and Islam 14.9%, Compared to Australia as a whole, Craigieburn has more Catholics (39.8% compared to 25.3%), fewer Anglicans (6.4% compared to 17.1%), more Eastern Orthodox (5.1% compared to 2.6%), and more Muslims (14.9% compared to 2.2%)." Dear O Dear O Dear ... WHY are we not surprised? Yes ... it's another rat's nest of Muslims over there, just like in Auburn. No job within 3 years? Deportation. What income are you on, Herbie? I'm curious. Just a pre-empt here before I read any further ... the Age Pension for someone that has worked most of their life is not..... WELFARE. Um, yes it is. Welfare isn't a bad word. Ummmm no it's not.

It most certainly is.

With all due respect, I don't think you understand what welfare is.

The Age Pension is a welfare payment.

And again, 'welfare' is not a dirty word.

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 12:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:42pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:37pm: A retired worker being on the Age Pension was not classed as  being on welfare/the dole. The Age Pension is for people older than the working age. The Dole is for the unemployed. They are both welfare. Pedantic Peccarhead. If you reached retirement age & qualified for the Pension it was not classed as welfare and it shouldn't be now. And I have explained why.

I'm not being pedantic.

I'm just stating the facts: the Age Pension is welfare.

And, for the third time, 'welfare' is NOT a dirty word.

Incorrect - the INTENTION of the aged pension is welfare/wellbeing etc - its manifestation is Social Security bought and paid for.

Do not confuse the two, this room is full of the lowest kinds just waiting for you to make a slip...

mothra wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 12:44pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:37pm: mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:19pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:17pm: Just a pre-empt here before I read any further ... the Age Pension for someone that has worked most of their life is not..... WELFARE. Of course it is, Gnads. Why would that be a bad thing? because the tack being taken is to try & say that someone who may be getting a pension .... is in the same demographic as generational dole bludgers & immigrants that stay on welfare for years & years after arriving here. Initially a small portion of your tax dollar was put aside in a fund that was used to finance pensions for those that reached retirement age & didn't have superannuation or much savings ...... this fund money was then just thrown into internal revenue for the general welfare budget. A retired worker being on the Age Pension was not classed as  being on welfare/the dole. Trying to score points by saying these people are living off welfare after they have contributed to it just like paying into Super is not right. Ahhh. So in your mind, some people receiving a government allowance are just better people than other sorts and you would like to change the name of what they receive to reflect that. What about people receiving the DSP for work related injuries? What about parents who have been abandoned by their co-parent and left to care for young children with no support? What about someone laid off and forced to collect benefits? Would you like separate categories for each of them so we know how to judge them appropriately? Of course, removing the stigma for welfare is a step beyond us as a species just yet.

Pure assumption.

The DSP is a complete other matter .... & that could happen to someone early in there working life or later on ... much to do with compensation cases.

besides it's also another benefit open to rorting by dole blugers ... & those with alcohol & drug habits.

People laid off are again another matter.....

and no .... no separation for those instances.

Lumping people on the pension - for which they've paid ...

and to which I pay .... even though I also pay into Superannuation ....

is not Welfare .... they've fecken earned it. ::)

'welfare' is a dirty word in the hands of the wrong people..... never be mislead.  Saying the pension is 'welfare' makes it optional and discretionary and infinitely malleable and available to be curtailed without notice at the hands of the government, rather than the established bought and paid for right that it is.

Now - let us leave pejorative terms such as 'welfare' out of discussion of Social Security Rights.

If a pensioner wants welfare, they go to a charity - Pension is NOT charity.

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 12:54pm:

Of course, removing the stigma for welfare is a step beyond us as a species just yet.

Pure assumption.

The DSP is a complete other matter .... & that could happen to someone early in there working life or later on ... much to do with compensation cases.

besides it's also another benefit open to rorting by dole blugers ... & those with alcohol & drug habits.

People laid off are again another matter.....

and no .... no separation for those instances.

Lumping people on the pension - for which they've paid ...

and to which I pay .... even though I also pay into Superannuation ....

is not Welfare .... they've fecken earned it. ::)[/quote]


Sorry to break it to you, Gnads, but it is indeed welfare.

there is nothing wrong with welfare.

You're just going to have to quietly nurse your prejudices whilst being aware of just how wrong you are.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 12:49pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:47pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:42pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:37pm: A retired worker being on the Age Pension was not classed as  being on welfare/the dole. The Age Pension is for people older than the working age. The Dole is for the unemployed. They are both welfare. Pedantic Peccarhead. If you reached retirement age & qualified for the Pension it was not classed as welfare and it shouldn't be now. And I have explained why. I'm not being pedantic. I'm just stating the facts: the Age Pension is welfare. And, for the third time, 'welfare' is NOT a dirty word.

BS ... if you've paid into something your whole working life .... just like a savings account ...

when you reach retirement age you're entitled to collect.

It's not fecken welfare .....

they aren't looking after you & they are not being benevolent/charitible.

It has nothing to do with "welfare" being a dirty word or not.

This is a good read:

http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/library/prspub/4262560/upload_binary/4262560.pdf;fileType=application/pdf

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 12:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:49pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:47pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:42pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:37pm: A retired worker being on the Age Pension was not classed as  being on welfare/the dole. The Age Pension is for people older than the working age. The Dole is for the unemployed. They are both welfare. Pedantic Peccarhead. If you reached retirement age & qualified for the Pension it was not classed as welfare and it shouldn't be now. And I have explained why. I'm not being pedantic. I'm just stating the facts: the Age Pension is welfare. And, for the third time, 'welfare' is NOT a dirty word. BS ... if you've paid into something your whole working life .... just like a savings account ... when you reach retirement age you're entitled to collect. It's not fecken welfare ..... they aren't looking after you & they are not being benevolent/charitible. It has nothing to do with "welfare" being a dirty word or not.

Answer me this: if you don't work your entire life, are you still entitled to the Age Pension when you reach retirement age?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 1:04pm:

Answer me this: if you don't work your entire life, are you still entitled to the Age Pension when you reach retirement age?

I think we need a new classification for those people, Greg. Bludgers just seems so mean.

mothra wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 12:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:54pm: Of course, removing the stigma for welfare is a step beyond us as a species just yet. Pure assumption. The DSP is a complete other matter .... & that could happen to someone early in there working life or later on ... much to do with compensation cases. besides it's also another benefit open to rorting by dole blugers ... & those with alcohol & drug habits. People laid off are again another matter..... and no .... no separation for those instances. Lumping people on the pension - for which they've paid ... and to which I pay .... even though I also pay into Superannuation .... is not Welfare .... they've fecken earned it. ::)

Quote:

Sorry to break it to you, Gnads, but it is indeed welfare. there is nothing wrong with welfare. You're just going to have to quietly nurse your prejudices whilst being aware of just how wrong you are.

How in this discussion is stating that those who have worked & contributed to their pension eligibility are not welfare recipients prejudiced?

You're like a cracked record with your .... I'm right & you're wrong blather.

Welfare application is not a dirty word ... but it is not applicable to the case I state.

Just because some numbnuts with the same mentality as yourself came along & did away with the pension provision fund & the classed retired pensioners as welfare recipients it is not right.

This over inflates the real welfare figures & is used as a political football to control or attack the levels of pension payments - up & down in budgets to people in the situation I mention.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 1:04pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:49pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:47pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:42pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:37pm: A retired worker being on the Age Pension was not classed as  being on welfare/the dole. The Age Pension is for people older than the working age. The Dole is for the unemployed. They are both welfare. Pedantic Peccarhead. If you reached retirement age & qualified for the Pension it was not classed as welfare and it shouldn't be now. And I have explained why. I'm not being pedantic. I'm just stating the facts: the Age Pension is welfare. And, for the third time, 'welfare' is NOT a dirty word. BS ... if you've paid into something your whole working life .... just like a savings account ... when you reach retirement age you're entitled to collect. It's not fecken welfare ..... they aren't looking after you & they are not being benevolent/charitible. It has nothing to do with "welfare" being a dirty word or not. Answer me this: if you don't work your entire life, are you still entitled to the Age Pension when you reach retirement age?

People have to meet certain assessment criteria do they not?

mothra wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 1:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 1:04pm: Answer me this: if you don't work your entire life, are you still entitled to the Age Pension when you reach retirement age? I think we need a new classification for those people, Greg. Bludgers just seems so mean.

I'm guessing the answer to my question is 'yes'.  Yes?

So, one can never work a day in their life, and then receive the Age Pension when they reach retirement age.

Is this correct, Gnads?

If so, how have they paid?

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 1:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 1:04pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:49pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:47pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:42pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:37pm: A retired worker being on the Age Pension was not classed as  being on welfare/the dole. The Age Pension is for people older than the working age. The Dole is for the unemployed. They are both welfare. Pedantic Peccarhead. If you reached retirement age & qualified for the Pension it was not classed as welfare and it shouldn't be now. And I have explained why. I'm not being pedantic. I'm just stating the facts: the Age Pension is welfare. And, for the third time, 'welfare' is NOT a dirty word. BS ... if you've paid into something your whole working life .... just like a savings account ... when you reach retirement age you're entitled to collect. It's not fecken welfare ..... they aren't looking after you & they are not being benevolent/charitible. It has nothing to do with "welfare" being a dirty word or not. Answer me this: if you don't work your entire life, are you still entitled to the Age Pension when you reach retirement age? People have to meet certain assessment criteria do they not?

I assume so.

Is one of them a history of employment?

Or, can you live your entire life without ever working, and then claim the Age Pension when you reach retirement age?

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 3:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:05pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:05am: John Smith wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 11:20pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 11:13pm: Who are you kidding? what makes you think I'm kidding? only people i might baulk at are real estate agents and horse trainers (irrespective of race). They make terrible tenants. Some teachers aren't that far behind either, although other teachers are brilliant. Curry cooking smells that last for years are no problem, right? I don't have to live there. As long as they pay the rent who gives a sh1t? The next prospective tenants? Durrrr?

I've never never had a complaint from those that have gone in next. What makes you think they'll give a poo? Have they complained to you?

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 1:11pm:

People have to meet certain assessment criteria do they not?

criteria they must meet is age, value of assets, residency status


past employment history has nothing to do with it.

John Smith wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 1:23pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 1:11pm: People have to meet certain assessment criteria do they not? criteria they must meet is age, value of assets, residency status past employment history has nothing to do with it.

That's what I thought.

So, you can go through life without ever working a day, and never paying a cent in tax, and still receive the Age Pension when you reach retirement age.

Not a bad welfare system we have.

John Smith wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 1:23pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 1:11pm: People have to meet certain assessment criteria do they not? criteria they must meet is age, value of assets, residency status past employment history has nothing to do with it.

I was talking of going on a pension prior to reaching the age eligibility.

The assessment criteria for that would be varied, involve doctors etc. etc.

And my point has been about how the pension for retirees was separately funded & how that has been done away with & lumped all under one banner of social welfare.

People who have contributed by holding down a job  then qualifying for a pension on reaching retirement age & are eligible don't see it as being on welfare ...

they believe they earned it.

The other scenarios being thrown up are not the same.

You & Peccarhead ... if you don't have Super .... will have your working life extended to 70 yrs old to qualify.

Good old LNP.  ::)

My eligibility has been extended to 66.5 yrs old thanks to Kevin Rudd.

Politicians ey  >:(

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 2:22pm:

People who have contributed by holding down a job  then qualifying for a pension on reaching retirement age & are eligible don't see it as being on welfare ...

Maybe.

It's still welfare, though.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 2:27pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:22pm: People who have contributed by holding down a job  then qualifying for a pension on reaching retirement age & are eligible don't see it as being on welfare ... Maybe. It's still welfare, though. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Why?

Don't you think they earned it & contributed to it ...

despite you harping on that it's still welfare because that's what the system now says.

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 2:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:27pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:22pm: People who have contributed by holding down a job  then qualifying for a pension on reaching retirement age & are eligible don't see it as being on welfare ... Maybe. It's still welfare, though. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Why? Don't you think they earned it & contributed to it ... despite you harping on that it's still welfare because that's what the system now says.

Why?  Because it's welfare.

Earned it?  Sure.

I'm not bagging pensioners.

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 2:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 1:23pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 1:11pm: People have to meet certain assessment criteria do they not? criteria they must meet is age, value of assets, residency status past employment history has nothing to do with it. I was talking of going on a pension prior to reaching the age eligibility. The assessment criteria for that would be varied, involve doctors etc. etc. And my point has been about how the pension for retirees was separately funded & how that has been done away with & lumped all under one banner of social welfare. People who have contributed by holding down a job  then qualifying for a pension on reaching retirement age & are eligible don't see it as being on welfare ... they believe they earned it. The other scenarios being thrown up are not the same. You & Peccarhead ... if you don't have Super .... will have your working life extended to 70 yrs old to qualify. Good old LNP.  ::) My eligibility has been extended to 66.5 yrs old thanks to Kevin Rudd. Politicians ey  >:(

I'd like a pension -
at least I could get a small percentage of my tax back.

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 2:22pm:

I was talking of going on a pension prior to reaching the age eligibility.

even disability pensioners don't need to have worked to be eligible.

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 2:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 1:23pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 1:11pm: People have to meet certain assessment criteria do they not? criteria they must meet is age, value of assets, residency status past employment history has nothing to do with it. I was talking of going on a pension prior to reaching the age eligibility. The assessment criteria for that would be varied, involve doctors etc. etc. And my point has been about how the pension for retirees was separately funded & how that has been done away with & lumped all under one banner of social welfare. People who have contributed by holding down a job  then qualifying for a pension on reaching retirement age & are eligible don't see it as being on welfare ... they believe they earned it. The other scenarios being thrown up are not the same. You & Peccarhead ... if you don't have Super .... will have your working life extended to 70 yrs old to qualify. Good old LNP.  ::) My eligibility has been extended to 66.5 yrs old thanks to Kevin Rudd. Politicians ey  >:(

I think mine is 67.

Not sure who to blame.

Islam?

mothra wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 12:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:54pm: Of course, removing the stigma for welfare is a step beyond us as a species just yet. Pure assumption. The DSP is a complete other matter .... & that could happen to someone early in there working life or later on ... much to do with compensation cases. besides it's also another benefit open to rorting by dole blugers ... & those with alcohol & drug habits.

The DSP is nearly impossible to rort. A Centrelink doctor has to agree with your GP that you can't work 12 hours a week for the next 5 years. The onus is on the applicant to prove it. Drug and alcohol problems can't be used as a reason - detox or maintenance is the treatment for this. Payments are medically reviewed every 5 years.

I could be wrong, but I believe Herbie's application was knocked back. Many are.

John Smith wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 2:34pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:22pm: I was talking of going on a pension prior to reaching the age eligibility. even disability pensioners don't need to have worked to be eligible.

Most haven't. The criteria for disability is that you can't work.

Many disabilities are congenital. People with intellectual disabilities usually apply when they're old enough. Mind you, many work in sheltered workshops on the side for about $2 an hour.

Blindness is one disability where you automatically qualify - even if you earn another income. This is an extension of the old "blind pension", established after WWI.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 2:36pm:

I think mine is 67. Not sure who to blame. Islam?

Depends on when you were born.

The pension age increased to 65 and a half on July 1st this year. It will increase to 66 on July 1st, 2019 then to 66 and a half on July 1st, 2021 and finally 67 on July 1st, 2023.

I was born in August, 1957 so I can't get the age pension until I'm 67. But, I'm planning on taking my super (as a pension so it doesn't get taxed) when I turn 61 next year and dropping down to one day a week at work.

And this will eventually drop to zero once I know I have enough super left to get me through to the age pension.

If I could have got the age pension at 65 I'd be retired on my super already.

There's also rumours starting to go around that the government want to increase the pension age to 70 in 6 month steps every 2 years starting from 2025. I'll be long retired by then, thank goodness.

Karnal wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 2:38pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:56pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:54pm: Of course, removing the stigma for welfare is a step beyond us as a species just yet. Pure assumption. The DSP is a complete other matter .... & that could happen to someone early in there working life or later on ... much to do with compensation cases. besides it's also another benefit open to rorting by dole blugers ... & those with alcohol & drug habits. The DSP is nearly impossible to rort. A Centrelink doctor has to agree with your GP that you can't work 12 hours a week for the next 5 years. The onus is on the applicant to prove it. Drug and alcohol problems can't be used as a reason - detox or maintenance is the treatment for this. Payments are medically reviewed every 5 years. I could be wrong, but I believe Herbie's application was knocked back. Many are.

Ah.

I hope the GP wasn't tinted.

Carl D wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:36pm: I think mine is 67. Not sure who to blame. Islam? Depends on when you were born. The pension age increased to 65 and a half on July 1st this year. It will increase to 66 on July 1st, 2019 then to 66 and a half on July 1st, 2021 and finally 67 on July 1st, 2023. I was born in August, 1957 so I can't get the age pension until I'm 67. But, I'm planning on taking my super (as a pension so it doesn't get taxed) when I turn 61 next year and dropping down to one day a week at work. And this will eventually drop to zero once I know I have enough super left to get me through to the age pension. If I could have got the age pension at 65 I'd be retired on my super already. There's also rumours starting to go around that the government want to increase the pension age to 70 in 6 month steps every 2 years starting from 2025. I'll be long retired by then, thank goodness.

Unless you are a politician.

Then you get your welfare cash from any age you can fulfill the lax requirements.

Its a well known fact that many many politicians count down from the day they are elected to when they can retire.

Some famously did this in their early thirties and forties

These are the true parasites.

never having contributed anything of any worth in their entire lives.

Massive pension for life
Free health care for life
Free travel for life

Bring on the revolution.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 1:12pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 1:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 1:04pm: Answer me this: if you don't work your entire life, are you still entitled to the Age Pension when you reach retirement age? I think we need a new classification for those people, Greg. Bludgers just seems so mean. I'm guessing the answer to my question is 'yes'.  Yes? So, one can never work a day in their life, and then receive the Age Pension when they reach retirement age. Is this correct, Gnads? If so, how have they paid?

And it's relevance to my point about those who have worked is?

You & Mothballs are certainly peas in a pod ...

even if that pod is a repetitious trolling one size fits all knowall over opinionated pod of shyte.

You are selective on what you respond to ... emphatically.

Yet fail to read what's written in toto.

Tag team twerps.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 2:30pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:29pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:27pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:22pm: People who have contributed by holding down a job  then qualifying for a pension on reaching retirement age & are eligible don't see it as being on welfare ... Maybe. It's still welfare, though. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Why? Don't you think they earned it & contributed to it ... despite you harping on that it's still welfare because that's what the system now says. Why?  Because it's welfare. Earned it?  Sure. I'm not bagging pensioners.

D1ckhead ... it wasn't always welfare.

Oooooh Gnads, you do get so cross.

Look, it's simple. The pension is welfare. There are no more worthy welfare reciepients than others. There are not degrees. They are all people fully entitled to what they get.

The only solution to your problem, Gnads, is to accept that and adjust your thinking so you can live with the fact okay.

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 6:25pm:

D1ckhead ... it wasn't always welfare.

of course it is.


welfare
ˈwɛlfɛː/Submit
noun
1.
the health, happiness, and fortunes of a person or group.
"they don't give a damn about the welfare of their families"
synonyms:      well-being, health, good health, happiness, comfort, security, safety, protection, prosperity, profit, good, success, fortune, good fortune, advantage, interest, prosperousness, successfulness
"local authorities have a duty to promote the welfare of children"
2.
statutory procedure or social effort designed to promote the basic physical and material well-being of people in need.

John Smith wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 2:34pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:22pm: I was talking of going on a pension prior to reaching the age eligibility. even disability pensioners don't need to have worked to be eligible.

Stop beating around the variable bush

Pensions are not pensions Sol.

Ferk me you & peccar must not have been circumsied

coz there's no end to you pr1cks.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 2:36pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:22pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 1:23pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 1:11pm: People have to meet certain assessment criteria do they not? criteria they must meet is age, value of assets, residency status past employment history has nothing to do with it. I was talking of going on a pension prior to reaching the age eligibility. The assessment criteria for that would be varied, involve doctors etc. etc. And my point has been about how the pension for retirees was separately funded & how that has been done away with & lumped all under one banner of social welfare. People who have contributed by holding down a job  then qualifying for a pension on reaching retirement age & are eligible don't see it as being on welfare ... they believe they earned it. The other scenarios being thrown up are not the same. You & Peccarhead ... if you don't have Super .... will have your working life extended to 70 yrs old to qualify. Good old LNP.  ::) My eligibility has been extended to 66.5 yrs old thanks to Kevin Rudd. Politicians ey  >:( I think mine is 67. Not sure who to blame. Islam?

Proves you are solely here as a trolling knob.

Karnal wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 2:38pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:56pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:54pm: Of course, removing the stigma for welfare is a step beyond us as a species just yet. Pure assumption. The DSP is a complete other matter .... & that could happen to someone early in there working life or later on ... much to do with compensation cases. besides it's also another benefit open to rorting by dole blugers ... & those with alcohol & drug habits. The DSP is nearly impossible to rort. A Centrelink doctor has to agree with your GP that you can't work 12 hours a week for the next 5 years. The onus is on the applicant to prove it. Drug and alcohol problems can't be used as a reason - detox or maintenance is the treatment for this. Payments are medically reviewed every 5 years. I could be wrong, but I believe Herbie's application was knocked back. Many are.

I already know that Karamel.  ::)

Have a bit of a research people.

You will find income tax was deigned to help people who live beyond working age, just like super.

Then the grubberment got more and more greedy.

Now they are reneging on that deal and want you to pay for your own retirement.

But be warned

They have their eyes on your super.

Eventually they will confiscate it and give it back to you a little bit at a time.

Then they will start giving back less.

then they will give everybody the same back no matter how much you pay.

Then they will want you to pay for your own retirement and the cycle starts again.

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 6:27pm:

Pensions are not pensions

Okaaaaaay     ::)

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 6:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:34pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:22pm: I was talking of going on a pension prior to reaching the age eligibility. even disability pensioners don't need to have worked to be eligible. Stop beating around the variable bush Pensions are not pensions Sol. Ferk me you & peccar must not have been circumsied coz there's no end to you pr1cks.

of course not. One pension is for the tinted folk .... bad, the other pension is for you. Good.

:D :D :D :D

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 6:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:30pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:29pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:27pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:22pm: People who have contributed by holding down a job  then qualifying for a pension on reaching retirement age & are eligible don't see it as being on welfare ... Maybe. It's still welfare, though. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Why? Don't you think they earned it & contributed to it ... despite you harping on that it's still welfare because that's what the system now says. Why?  Because it's welfare. Earned it?  Sure. I'm not bagging pensioners. D1ckhead ... it wasn't always welfare.

It's welfare today.

Did you know that you don't have to have an employment history in order to qualify for the Age Pension?

That's right - you can never work a day in your life, and never pay income tax, and still receive the Age Pension when you reach retirement age.

That's a pretty good welfare system we have.

Oh, and 'welfare' isn't a dirty word.

Carl D wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:36pm: I think mine is 67. Not sure who to blame. Islam? Depends on when you were born. The pension age increased to 65 and a half on July 1st this year. It will increase to 66 on July 1st, 2019 then to 66 and a half on July 1st, 2021 and finally 67 on July 1st, 2023. I was born in August, 1957 so I can't get the age pension until I'm 67. But, I'm planning on taking my super (as a pension so it doesn't get taxed) when I turn 61 next year and dropping down to one day a week at work. And this will eventually drop to zero once I know I have enough super left to get me through to the age pension. If I could have got the age pension at 65 I'd be retired on my super already. There's also rumours starting to go around that the government want to increase the pension age to 70 in 6 month steps every 2 years starting from 2025. I'll be long retired by then, thank goodness.

I was born in 1956 ... I knew my pension eligibility age had increased to 66.5 years when Rudd did his changes when Prime Minister the first time around 2009/2010.

The increases didn't just come into affect this year .... they were all dependent on the year in which you were born. 

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:27pm: Pensions are not pensions Okaaaaaay     ::)

So that went over you head Sol?

Why don't you quote all that I wrote instead of your usual selective editing?


I know why .... it doesn't go with your twisty nature does it?

You are proving to be an exceptional arze.

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 6:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:33pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:27pm: Pensions are not pensions Okaaaaaay     ::) So that went over you head Sol? Why don't you quote all that I wrote instead of your usual selective editing? I know why .... it doesn't go with your twisty nature does it? You are proving to be an exceptional arze.

I'm exceptional, alright.

On that we can all agree.

Gnads accuses me of being "twisty" too. I thought it was just because i was a man-hating, devious woman .. but you are too.

There. A new one.

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 6:41pm:

Carl D wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:36pm: I think mine is 67. Not sure who to blame. Islam? Depends on when you were born. The pension age increased to 65 and a half on July 1st this year. It will increase to 66 on July 1st, 2019 then to 66 and a half on July 1st, 2021 and finally 67 on July 1st, 2023. I was born in August, 1957 so I can't get the age pension until I'm 67. But, I'm planning on taking my super (as a pension so it doesn't get taxed) when I turn 61 next year and dropping down to one day a week at work. And this will eventually drop to zero once I know I have enough super left to get me through to the age pension. If I could have got the age pension at 65 I'd be retired on my super already. There's also rumours starting to go around that the government want to increase the pension age to 70 in 6 month steps every 2 years starting from 2025. I'll be long retired by then, thank goodness. I was born in 1956 ... I knew my pension eligibility age had increased to 66.5 years when Rudd did his changes when Prime Minister the first time around 2009/2010. The increases didn't just come into affect this year .... they were all dependent on the year in which you were born.

Uncircumcised, are you? There's no end to you baby boomers' claims for welfare.

Have a chat to Gordon if you want to grow it back.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 6:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:33pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:27pm: Pensions are not pensions Okaaaaaay     ::) So that went over you head Sol? Why don't you quote all that I wrote instead of your usual selective editing? I know why .... it doesn't go with your twisty nature does it? You are proving to be an exceptional arze. I'm exceptional, alright. On that we can all agree.

An exceptional arze ... no contest ... you are.

mothra wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Gnads accuses me of being "twisty" too. I thought it was just because i was a man-hating, devious woman .. but you are too. There. A new one.

No ... you are confused.

And there's no relevance to your foibles.

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 7:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:56pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:33pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:27pm: Pensions are not pensions Okaaaaaay     ::) So that went over you head Sol? Why don't you quote all that I wrote instead of your usual selective editing? I know why .... it doesn't go with your twisty nature does it? You are proving to be an exceptional arze. I'm exceptional, alright. On that we can all agree. An exceptional arze ... no contest ... you are.

I thought Booby was the arse expert, but I'll take your word for it.

Did you hear that, mothra?  I have an exceptional arse.

Saucy   :P

Karnal wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:41pm: Carl D wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 2:36pm: I think mine is 67. Not sure who to blame. Islam? Depends on when you were born. The pension age increased to 65 and a half on July 1st this year. It will increase to 66 on July 1st, 2019 then to 66 and a half on July 1st, 2021 and finally 67 on July 1st, 2023. I was born in August, 1957 so I can't get the age pension until I'm 67. But, I'm planning on taking my super (as a pension so it doesn't get taxed) when I turn 61 next year and dropping down to one day a week at work. And this will eventually drop to zero once I know I have enough super left to get me through to the age pension. If I could have got the age pension at 65 I'd be retired on my super already. There's also rumours starting to go around that the government want to increase the pension age to 70 in 6 month steps every 2 years starting from 2025. I'll be long retired by then, thank goodness. I was born in 1956 ... I knew my pension eligibility age had increased to 66.5 years when Rudd did his changes when Prime Minister the first time around 2009/2010. The increases didn't just come into affect this year .... they were all dependent on the year in which you were born.  Uncircumcised, are you? There's no end to you baby boomers' claims for welfare. Have a chat to Gordon if you want to grow it back.

No second prize for a reference to circumcision.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 7:15pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:56pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:33pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:27pm: Pensions are not pensions Okaaaaaay     ::) So that went over you head Sol? Why don't you quote all that I wrote instead of your usual selective editing? I know why .... it doesn't go with your twisty nature does it? You are proving to be an exceptional arze. I'm exceptional, alright. On that we can all agree. An exceptional arze ... no contest ... you are. I thought Booby was the arse expert, but I'll take your word for it. Did you hear that, mothra?  I have an exceptional arse. Saucy   :P

No mention of "have an"

If there was a prize for lying in bed ... another prize for you.

The infantile play on selective editing & misquoting for your humour is misplaced.

But I know only you & ..... think it's clever.

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 7:15pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:59pm: Gnads accuses me of being "twisty" too. I thought it was just because i was a man-hating, devious woman .. but you are too. There. A new one. No ... you are confused. And there's no relevance to your foibles.

Irrelevant foibles, eh?

That's the thanks i get for patiently and politely explaining to you what welfare means and offering you helpful suggestions as to how to come to terms with it?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 7:15pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:56pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:33pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:27pm: Pensions are not pensions Okaaaaaay     ::) So that went over you head Sol? Why don't you quote all that I wrote instead of your usual selective editing? I know why .... it doesn't go with your twisty nature does it? You are proving to be an exceptional arze. I'm exceptional, alright. On that we can all agree. An exceptional arze ... no contest ... you are. I thought Booby was the arse expert, but I'll take your word for it. Did you hear that, mothra?  I have an exceptional arse. Saucy   :P

Swipe right ...   ;)

mothra wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:15pm: mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:59pm: Gnads accuses me of being "twisty" too. I thought it was just because i was a man-hating, devious woman .. but you are too. There. A new one. No ... you are confused. And there's no relevance to your foibles. Irrelevant foibles, eh? That's the thanks i get for patiently and politely explaining to you what welfare means and offering you helpful suggestions as to how to come to terms with it?

Point proven ... you're just being your supercilious self.

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 7:21pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:19pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:15pm: mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:59pm: Gnads accuses me of being "twisty" too. I thought it was just because i was a man-hating, devious woman .. but you are too. There. A new one. No ... you are confused. And there's no relevance to your foibles. Irrelevant foibles, eh? That's the thanks i get for patiently and politely explaining to you what welfare means and offering you helpful suggestions as to how to come to terms with it? Point proven ... you're just being your supercilious self.

Not at all, Gnads!

Are you telling me you still consider the age pension not to be welfare?

Despite all evidence to the contrary?

Gnads wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 7:21pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:19pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:15pm: mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:59pm: Gnads accuses me of being "twisty" too. I thought it was just because i was a man-hating, devious woman .. but you are too. There. A new one. No ... you are confused. And there's no relevance to your foibles. Irrelevant foibles, eh? That's the thanks i get for patiently and politely explaining to you what welfare means and offering you helpful suggestions as to how to come to terms with it? Point proven ... you're just being your supercilious self.

Intact, is she?

Miam miam.

mothra wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 7:22pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:21pm: mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:19pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:15pm: mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:59pm: Gnads accuses me of being "twisty" too. I thought it was just because i was a man-hating, devious woman .. but you are too. There. A new one. No ... you are confused. And there's no relevance to your foibles. Irrelevant foibles, eh? That's the thanks i get for patiently and politely explaining to you what welfare means and offering you helpful suggestions as to how to come to terms with it? Point proven ... you're just being your supercilious self. Not at all, Gnads! Are you telling me you still consider the age pension not to be welfare? Despite all evidence to the contrary?

Only for immigrants who are tinted, Mother.

Herbie's okay. He's tanned.

mothra wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 7:22pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:21pm: mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:19pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:15pm: mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:59pm: Gnads accuses me of being "twisty" too. I thought it was just because i was a man-hating, devious woman .. but you are too. There. A new one. No ... you are confused. And there's no relevance to your foibles. Irrelevant foibles, eh? That's the thanks i get for patiently and politely explaining to you what welfare means and offering you helpful suggestions as to how to come to terms with it? Point proven ... you're just being your supercilious self. Not at all, Gnads! Are you telling me you still consider the age pension not to be welfare? Despite all evidence to the contrary?

There is no 'evidence' that portrays the aged pension as 'welfare' .. there is only useless verbiage that seeks to imply that somehow it is a gift or an act of charity that may be withdrawn or adjusted at any time.

Social Security is a bought and paid for Right - those are the ONLY relevant facts.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 10:47pm:

There is no 'evidence' that portrays the aged pension as 'welfare' .. there is only useless verbiage that seeks to imply that somehow it is a gift or an act of charity that may be withdrawn or adjusted at any time. Social Security is a bought and paid for Right - those are the ONLY relevant facts.

I used to feel happy about paying taxes for pensioners because I said to myself -
well - I'll be a pensioner one day then they will pay me.

That's no longer the case - we have all been ripped off.

Once again fore the slow-heareted here:-

Welfare is the philosophy or intent of alleviating poverty and need:

Social Security, a bought and paid for Right via taxation for many decades in Oz now, is the provision of a retirement package or relief in times of hardship.

One is the concept - the other is the way it is done, and since the term 'welfare' implies some loss of personal power and control by the recipient of social security, and the subjugation of all such recipients to the status of supplicants rather than people exercising a bought and paid for right - the term 'welfare' has no meaning in the context of the Australian Social Security system.

The term 'welfare' only has meaning here in the context of charity provision of emergency relief, and in terms of ensuring the well-being of people, such as when police visit an aged person who has not been seen for some time and may need help.

Now - let us leave the term 'welfare' in the toilet bowl from which it was dragged, and flush it from the minds of anyone discussing Social Security in MY nation... yes - the one for which I take ownership, something some of you could learn.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 10:47pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:22pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:21pm: mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:19pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:15pm: mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:59pm: Gnads accuses me of being "twisty" too. I thought it was just because i was a man-hating, devious woman .. but you are too. There. A new one. No ... you are confused. And there's no relevance to your foibles. Irrelevant foibles, eh? That's the thanks i get for patiently and politely explaining to you what welfare means and offering you helpful suggestions as to how to come to terms with it? Point proven ... you're just being your supercilious self. Not at all, Gnads! Are you telling me you still consider the age pension not to be welfare? Despite all evidence to the contrary? There is no 'evidence' that portrays the aged pension as 'welfare' .. there is only useless verbiage that seeks to imply that somehow it is a gift or an act of charity that may be withdrawn or adjusted at any time. Social Security is a bought and paid for Right - those are the ONLY relevant facts.

And i thought where persuasive arguments failed, John's actual dictionary definition would provide some clarity.

Forgot where i was again.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 10:51pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:47pm: There is no 'evidence' that portrays the aged pension as 'welfare' .. there is only useless verbiage that seeks to imply that somehow it is a gift or an act of charity that may be withdrawn or adjusted at any time. Social Security is a bought and paid for Right - those are the ONLY relevant facts. I used to feel happy about paying taxes for pensioners because I said to myself - well - I'll be a pensioner one day then they will pay me. That's no longer the case - we have all been ripped off.

The theft of retirement funding into consolidated revenue to become the plaything of politicians has created that anomaly, which is why I have long advocated a one-stop retirement packaging house out of the hands of grasping politicians, in which the current social security funding, along with superannuation contributions, all goes, and all are treated according to the same standards and rates, with the SS funding constituting a minimum retirement package for those with the least.

Not that much different from the current fiasco, except that the politicians can't get their hands on the cash and funnel it off elsewhere - say into a 'futures fund' to guarantee their own retirement cash - and their retirement package is treated by the same standards as everyone else.

mothra wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 10:58pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:47pm: mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:22pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:21pm: mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:19pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:15pm: mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:59pm: Gnads accuses me of being "twisty" too. I thought it was just because i was a man-hating, devious woman .. but you are too. There. A new one. No ... you are confused. And there's no relevance to your foibles. Irrelevant foibles, eh? That's the thanks i get for patiently and politely explaining to you what welfare means and offering you helpful suggestions as to how to come to terms with it? Point proven ... you're just being your supercilious self. Not at all, Gnads! Are you telling me you still consider the age pension not to be welfare? Despite all evidence to the contrary? There is no 'evidence' that portrays the aged pension as 'welfare' .. there is only useless verbiage that seeks to imply that somehow it is a gift or an act of charity that may be withdrawn or adjusted at any time. Social Security is a bought and paid for Right - those are the ONLY relevant facts. And i thought where persuasive arguments failed, John's actual dictionary definition would provide some clarity. Forgot where i was again.

Forget dictionary 'definitions' - they are a reflection of common (word intentional) usage, and are in no way indicative of the true meanings of things as defined properly by the authority that runs it.

For those you must go to the government websites I've posted many times before... but I cannot continue to spoon feed those who do not bother to read.

I will try again, from the alpha stallion's mouth   ::):-

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/94713ad445ff1425ca25682000192af2/8e72c4526a94aaedca2569de00296978!OpenDocument

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 10:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:51pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:47pm: There is no 'evidence' that portrays the aged pension as 'welfare' .. there is only useless verbiage that seeks to imply that somehow it is a gift or an act of charity that may be withdrawn or adjusted at any time. Social Security is a bought and paid for Right - those are the ONLY relevant facts. I used to feel happy about paying taxes for pensioners because I said to myself - well - I'll be a pensioner one day then they will pay me. That's no longer the case - we have all been ripped off. The theft of retirement funding into consolidated revenue to become the plaything of politicians has created that anomaly, which is why I have long advocated a one-stop retirement packaging house out of the hands of grasping politicians, in which the current social security funding, along with superannuation contributions, all goes, and all are treated according to the same standards and rates, with the SS funding constituting a minimum retirement package for those with the least. Not that much different from the current fiasco, except that the politicians can't get their hands on the cash and funnel it off elsewhere - say into a 'futures fund' to guarantee their own retirement cash - and their retirement package is treated by the same standards as everyone else.

The politicians should have to join the queue at Centerlink like everyone else.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 10:47pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:22pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:21pm: mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:19pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 7:15pm: mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:59pm: Gnads accuses me of being "twisty" too. I thought it was just because i was a man-hating, devious woman .. but you are too. There. A new one. No ... you are confused. And there's no relevance to your foibles. Irrelevant foibles, eh? That's the thanks i get for patiently and politely explaining to you what welfare means and offering you helpful suggestions as to how to come to terms with it? Point proven ... you're just being your supercilious self. Not at all, Gnads! Are you telling me you still consider the age pension not to be welfare? Despite all evidence to the contrary? There is no 'evidence' that portrays the aged pension as 'welfare' .. there is only useless verbiage that seeks to imply that somehow it is a gift or an act of charity that may be withdrawn or adjusted at any time. Social Security is a bought and paid for Right - those are the ONLY relevant facts.

Yes ... thank you Grap

mothra wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 11:07pm:

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Yes ... really.  ::)

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 10:47pm:

Social Security is a bought and paid for Right - those are the ONLY relevant facts.

Can someone go through life without ever working, and without ever paying tax, and then receive the Age Pension when they reach retirement age?

A simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 8:20am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:47pm: Social Security is a bought and paid for Right - those are the ONLY relevant facts. Can someone go through life without ever working, and without ever paying tax, and then receive the Age Pension when they reach retirement age? A simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice.

And how is that question relevant to the point Grappler was making?

You being your normal repetitious half smart self  as usual.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 12:04pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:46am: I work with 2 Africans and at least 2 muslims. Both groups have shown to be competent workers and are no trouble to anyone. "Friendly, well-mannered people", I would call them. Just wait 'til they comprise a sizable group within your small boutique factory.

The point being that, even then, Muslims are not the dole bludgers that people make them out to be.

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 10:58pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:04pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:46am: I work with 2 Africans and at least 2 muslims. Both groups have shown to be competent workers and are no trouble to anyone. "Friendly, well-mannered people", I would call them. Just wait 'til they comprise a sizable group within your small boutique factory. The point being that, even then, Muslims are not the dole bludgers that people make them out to be.

The unemployment rate for males & female ME muslim refugees is around 83% for extended periods after arrival.

The cost is astounding.

Karnal wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 2:38pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:56pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:54pm: Of course, removing the stigma for welfare is a step beyond us as a species just yet. Pure assumption. The DSP is a complete other matter .... & that could happen to someone early in there working life or later on ... much to do with compensation cases. besides it's also another benefit open to rorting by dole blugers ... & those with alcohol & drug habits. The DSP is nearly impossible to rort. A Centrelink doctor has to agree with your GP that you can't work 12 hours a week for the next 5 years. The onus is on the applicant to prove it. Drug and alcohol problems can't be used as a reason - detox or maintenance is the treatment for this. Payments are medically reviewed every 5 years. I could be wrong, but I believe Herbie's application was knocked back. Many are.

I know of a person on an alcoholics pension Karnal.

How do you explain that?

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 10:58pm:

The point being that, even then, Muslims are not the dole bludgers that people make them out to be.

Wrong, and do you know how we can tell, even though the religion of NewStart members is not recorded?

The number of unemployed who are registered with the various Centrelink offices is recorded and published for public viewing, and that's what gives it away when high-density Muslim areas like Sydney's Auburn, Lakemba, Punchbowl, and Bankstown show a much higher concentration of unemployed than the average Centrelink office.

Another way of telling is by looking at the ethnicities of those who are languishing in our jails. Muslims pack our jails hugely out of proportion with their small demographic percentage of the Australian community.

Justsayno wrote on Oct 14^th, 2017 at 8:44am:

I know of a person on an alcoholics pension Karnal. How do you explain that?

That would be recorded under 'Clinical Depression'.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14^th, 2017 at 8:58am:

Justsayno wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 8:44am: I know of a person on an alcoholics pension Karnal. How do you explain that? That would be recorded under 'Clinical Depression'.

Still a bloody dole bludger as far as I am concerned.

In the UK they changed the rules, to gain a full state age pension you have to have paid a minimum of 35yrs National Insurance Contributions. If not you get less.
Should bring that in here.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14^th, 2017 at 8:58am:

Justsayno wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 8:44am: I know of a person on an alcoholics pension Karnal. How do you explain that? That would be recorded under 'Clinical Depression'.

You?

Justsayno wrote on Oct 14^th, 2017 at 9:23am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 8:58am: Justsayno wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 8:44am: I know of a person on an alcoholics pension Karnal. How do you explain that? That would be recorded under 'Clinical Depression'. Still a bloody dole bludger as far as I am concerned. In the UK they changed the rules, to gain a full state age pension you have to have paid a minimum of 35yrs National Insurance Contributions. If not you get less. Should bring that in here.

Herbie's free to go back to the UK, Matty, but I think he'll choose to stay here, don't you?

Gnads wrote on Oct 14^th, 2017 at 7:44am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:58pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:04pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:46am: I work with 2 Africans and at least 2 muslims. Both groups have shown to be competent workers and are no trouble to anyone. "Friendly, well-mannered people", I would call them. Just wait 'til they comprise a sizable group within your small boutique factory. The point being that, even then, Muslims are not the dole bludgers that people make them out to be. The unemployment rate for males & female ME muslim refugees is around 83% for extended periods after arrival. The cost is astounding.

The cost of any refugee is astounding. Normally any muslim gets a job upon arrival. Even taxi driving or working at some store. The same cannot be said for refugees.