Let's see how many people end up getting blown up in suicide attacks, or run over by trucks, as a result of this.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/sep/04/we-are-an-example-to-the-arab-world-tunisias-radical-marriage-proposals


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Currently, a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry a a non-Muslim. Men are allowed to marry women of any faith who don’t have to convert. Under Islamic law, men typically receive double the inheritance of any woman.

Ah Islam, you're so very, very liberal and progressive.

Karnal - let me guess...Cleopatra?

mothra , have you ever considered living in Tunisia? I hear the beaches are great!

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Let's see how many people end up getting blown up in suicide attacks, or run over by trucks, as a result of this. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/sep/04/we-are-an-example-to-the-arab-world-tunisias-radical-marriage-proposals Quote: Currently, a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry a a non-Muslim. Men are allowed to marry women of any faith who don’t have to convert. Under Islamic law, men typically receive double the inheritance of any woman. Ah Islam, you're so very, very liberal and progressive. Karnal - let me guess...Cleopatra?

Quite a few, Alevine, quite a few. But please tell me this: when you you think the Catholic Church will allow Catholics to marry non-Catholics? Malcolm Turnbull is one person who had to convert to marry Lucy.

When will Jewish Orthodox rabbis marry non-Jews? Ivanka Trump had to convert to marry Jared Kushner.

Cleopatra was forced to marry her brother when she was a child. That didn't stop her learning how to give superb blowjobs and trapping Roman generals in her web of seduction.

I blame Islam, no?

Karnal wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 9:59pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 9:49pm: Let's see how many people end up getting blown up in suicide attacks, or run over by trucks, as a result of this. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/sep/04/we-are-an-example-to-the-arab-world-tunisias-radical-marriage-proposals Quote: Currently, a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry a a non-Muslim. Men are allowed to marry women of any faith who don’t have to convert. Under Islamic law, men typically receive double the inheritance of any woman. Ah Islam, you're so very, very liberal and progressive. Karnal - let me guess...Cleopatra? Quite a few, Alevine, quite a few. But please tell me this: when you you think the Catholic Church will allow Catholics to marry non-Catholics? Malcolm Turnbull is one person who had to convert to marry Lucy. When will Jewish Orthodox rabbis marry non-Jews? Ivanka Trump had to convert to marry Jared Kushner. Cleopatra was forced to marry her brother when she was a child. That didn't stop her learning how to give superb blowjobs and trapping Roman generals in her web of seduction.

interesting how Jared wouldn't have to convert if Ivanka was muslim. awww, how feminist of Islam!

Anyway, sure, many religions are backwards. Once again, dearest Karnal, I never deny this. But you once again seem to equate when unfortunately the state of the world shows how irrational this is.  Tell me Mr. Karnal, if Israel was to introduce such laws, how many jews would protest against it? If Israel had these laws, and then tried to remove them, how much opposition would there be? Tunisia, in general, is a 'more' progressive Islamic state, and something tells me the level of conservative muslims, and islamists, will simply result in bloodshed anyway. 

Tell me, why does Israel, a country most of you regressives claim is a religious state, not have such laws?  Perhaps it has something to do with the number of crazy conservatives/islamists that subscribe to the so called illegitimate interpretation (as said by gandalf)?

Didn't Mothra once use Tunisia as an example of a progressive Muslim country? Perhaps this is what she meant. They are considering allowing women to marry who they want. What more could a feminist ask for? Nothing, if she knows what is good for her.

freediver wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 10:18pm:

Didn't Mothra once use Tunisia as an example of a progressive Muslim country? Perhaps this is what she meant. They are considering allowing women to marry who they want. What more could a feminist ask for? Nothing, if she knows what is good for her.

Very progressive indeed.

Islam is heavenly. Cleopatra would be so proud.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 9:59pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 9:49pm: Let's see how many people end up getting blown up in suicide attacks, or run over by trucks, as a result of this. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/sep/04/we-are-an-example-to-the-arab-world-tunisias-radical-marriage-proposals Quote: Currently, a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry a a non-Muslim. Men are allowed to marry women of any faith who don’t have to convert. Under Islamic law, men typically receive double the inheritance of any woman. Ah Islam, you're so very, very liberal and progressive. Karnal - let me guess...Cleopatra? Quite a few, Alevine, quite a few. But please tell me this: when you you think the Catholic Church will allow Catholics to marry non-Catholics? Malcolm Turnbull is one person who had to convert to marry Lucy. When will Jewish Orthodox rabbis marry non-Jews? Ivanka Trump had to convert to marry Jared Kushner. Cleopatra was forced to marry her brother when she was a child. That didn't stop her learning how to give superb blowjobs and trapping Roman generals in her web of seduction. interesting how Jared wouldn't have to convert if Ivanka was muslim. awww, how feminist of Islam! Anyway, sure, many religions are backwards. Once again, dearest Karnal, I never deny this. But you once again seem to equate when unfortunately the state of the world shows how irrational this is.  Tell me Mr. Karnal, if Israel was to introduce such laws, how many jews would protest against it? If Israel had these laws, and then tried to remove them, how much opposition would there be? Tunisia, in general, is a 'more' progressive Islamic state, and something tells me the level of conservative muslims, and islamists, will simply result in bloodshed anyway.  Tell me, why does Israel, a country most of you regressives claim is a religious state, not have such laws?  Perhaps it has something to do with the number of crazy conservatives/islamists that subscribe to the so called illegitimate interpretation (as said by gandalf)?

Israel is secular, Alevine. The Zionists were secularists. The state of Israel - and its creation - has nothing to do with religion. It's solely about nationalism. 19th century European Zionists went to great lengths to establish this.

Karnal wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 10:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 10:14pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 9:59pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 9:49pm: Let's see how many people end up getting blown up in suicide attacks, or run over by trucks, as a result of this. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/sep/04/we-are-an-example-to-the-arab-world-tunisias-radical-marriage-proposals Quote: Currently, a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry a a non-Muslim. Men are allowed to marry women of any faith who don’t have to convert. Under Islamic law, men typically receive double the inheritance of any woman. Ah Islam, you're so very, very liberal and progressive. Karnal - let me guess...Cleopatra? Quite a few, Alevine, quite a few. But please tell me this: when you you think the Catholic Church will allow Catholics to marry non-Catholics? Malcolm Turnbull is one person who had to convert to marry Lucy. When will Jewish Orthodox rabbis marry non-Jews? Ivanka Trump had to convert to marry Jared Kushner. Cleopatra was forced to marry her brother when she was a child. That didn't stop her learning how to give superb blowjobs and trapping Roman generals in her web of seduction. interesting how Jared wouldn't have to convert if Ivanka was muslim. awww, how feminist of Islam! Anyway, sure, many religions are backwards. Once again, dearest Karnal, I never deny this. But you once again seem to equate when unfortunately the state of the world shows how irrational this is.  Tell me Mr. Karnal, if Israel was to introduce such laws, how many jews would protest against it? If Israel had these laws, and then tried to remove them, how much opposition would there be? Tunisia, in general, is a 'more' progressive Islamic state, and something tells me the level of conservative muslims, and islamists, will simply result in bloodshed anyway.  Tell me, why does Israel, a country most of you regressives claim is a religious state, not have such laws?  Perhaps it has something to do with the number of crazy conservatives/islamists that subscribe to the so called illegitimate interpretation (as said by gandalf)? Israel is secular, Alevine. The Zionists were secularists. The state of Israel - and its creation - has nothing to do with religion. It's solely about nationalism. 19th century European Zionists went to great lengths to establish this.

you should tell your fellow regressives this, Karnal. They seem to think otherwise.

anyway, you didn't answer the questions I raised of you.  COme now, don't be shy Karnal. Would you too expect attacks and bloodshed amongst the jews if a Jewish state decided to change a law to allow women to marry anyone?  What would be the public opinion amongst the Jews for this law change?  What about Christians?  What do you think, Karnal? Do you think any christian/jewish state governments would have the same difficulty as Tunisia is about to have, all because of what is, quite frankly, a very simple and logical change to a very stupid law?

Which specific attacks and bloodshed are you referring to, Alevine?

You haven't said.

Karnal wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 10:56pm:

Which specific attacks and bloodshed are you referring to, Alevine? You haven't said.

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Quite a few, Alevine, quite a few.

Did you read wrong? I didn't say attacks have happened, I asked whether you would expect attacks or bloodshed.

Shame, Karnal, Shame.  stay away from the sauce dear ;)

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 11:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 10:56pm: Which specific attacks and bloodshed are you referring to, Alevine? You haven't said. Quote: Quite a few, Alevine, quite a few. Did you read wrong? I didn't say attacks have happened, I asked whether you would expect attacks or bloodshed.

Gee, that"s a relief. Quite a few, eh?

We'll look forward to them, Alevine. Cheers.

How, exactly, does one define a progressive Muzlim country?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Let's see how many people end up getting blown up in suicide attacks, or run over by trucks, as a result of this. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/sep/04/we-are-an-example-to-the-arab-world-tunisias-radical-marriage-proposals Quote: Currently, a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry a a non-Muslim. Men are allowed to marry women of any faith who don’t have to convert. Under Islamic law, men typically receive double the inheritance of any woman. Ah Islam, you're so very, very liberal and progressive. Karnal - let me guess...Cleopatra?

Jesus, this is how you react to something thats actually good happening in the muslim world? Before I opened the article I genuinely thought it was some backward step being taken.

Just proof that you have no interest in seeing reform, you just want to jeer and sneer at it, and cross your fingers and hope it fails - preferably with a bloodbath.

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Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.”

Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible.

The only people bucking for a jolly bloodbath are muslims who believe the qur'an when it says to kill the reformers / corrupters, is a sure path to allah's favour.

Extracts from we-are-an-example-to-the-arab-world-tunisias-radical-marriage-proposals say:


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The former minister of public health, Abdellatif Mekki  and the party’s former minister of religious affairs, Noureddine Khademi, along with a number of Imams and religious scholars from the country’s Zitouna University, have been vocal in their denunciation of the reforms. Khademi said Tunisians were “in shock” since the president’s speech. “I say to the president I hope that you would reconsider this initiative.” Mekki said laws around inheritance were already “a perfect system”. He posted on his Facebook page: “...Provoking the issue of inheritance does not have any relation with the perspective of equality, which I’m one of its supporters, but comes as part of an internal and foreign political ideology agenda, and we are sorry that the president did not pay attention to that.” The announcement has drawn criticism from the region’s religious scholars. In a public statement, Abbas Shuman, deputy of grand imam Ahmad Al-Tayyib of the Egyptian religious authority Al-Azhar, the highest religious authorities in Sunni Islam, wrote that the potential reform to inheritance was, “unjust for women and is not in line with Islamic Sharia”. In regard to inter-faith unions, he said: “Such a marriage would obstruct the stability of marriage.”

So the question remains, will the lure of the big breasted houris and little boys prove to be the fatal attraction for those who believe reform is anti islam?

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:42pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 9:49pm: Let's see how many people end up getting blown up in suicide attacks, or run over by trucks, as a result of this. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/sep/04/we-are-an-example-to-the-arab-world-tunisias-radical-marriage-proposals Quote: Currently, a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry a a non-Muslim. Men are allowed to marry women of any faith who don’t have to convert. Under Islamic law, men typically receive double the inheritance of any woman. Ah Islam, you're so very, very liberal and progressive. Karnal - let me guess...Cleopatra? Jesus, this is how you react to something thats actually good happening in the muslim world? Before I opened the article I genuinely thought it was some backward step being taken. Just proof that you have no interest in seeing reform, you just want to jeer and sneer at it, and cross your fingers and hope it fails - preferably with a bloodbath.

That's the new Alevine, G. Now how many attacks and bloodshed, please. We need a specific number.

Some details would be good too - don't worry about the tinted races. How many decent white people will be butchered over this?

How will they die? Loss of blood, burns, lung shock, shrapnel injuries?

Stay on topic, regressive leftards.

I expect it will lead to some severe toothless gumming hate attacks from denizen Yadda.

Unforgiven wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

I expect it will lead to some severe toothless gumming hate attacks from denizen Yadda.

Alevine has learned from the meister.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:42pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 9:49pm: Let's see how many people end up getting blown up in suicide attacks, or run over by trucks, as a result of this. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/sep/04/we-are-an-example-to-the-arab-world-tunisias-radical-marriage-proposals Quote: Currently, a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry a a non-Muslim. Men are allowed to marry women of any faith who don’t have to convert. Under Islamic law, men typically receive double the inheritance of any woman. Ah Islam, you're so very, very liberal and progressive. Karnal - let me guess...Cleopatra? Jesus, this is how you react to something thats actually good happening in the muslim world? Before I opened the article I genuinely thought it was some backward step being taken. Just proof that you have no interest in seeing reform, you just want to jeer and sneer at it, and cross your fingers and hope it fails - preferably with a bloodbath.

Typical gandalf, the grand master of strawman arguments.  At which point was this thread about the actual reform, rather than the RESPONSE to the reform? mm? 

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 4:42pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 2:42pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 9:49pm: Let's see how many people end up getting blown up in suicide attacks, or run over by trucks, as a result of this. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/sep/04/we-are-an-example-to-the-arab-world-tunisias-radical-marriage-proposals Quote: Currently, a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry a a non-Muslim. Men are allowed to marry women of any faith who don’t have to convert. Under Islamic law, men typically receive double the inheritance of any woman. Ah Islam, you're so very, very liberal and progressive. Karnal - let me guess...Cleopatra? Jesus, this is how you react to something thats actually good happening in the muslim world? Before I opened the article I genuinely thought it was some backward step being taken. Just proof that you have no interest in seeing reform, you just want to jeer and sneer at it, and cross your fingers and hope it fails - preferably with a bloodbath. That's the new Alevine, G. Now how many attacks and bloodshed, please. We need a specific number. Some details would be good too - don't worry about the tinted races. How many decent white people will be butchered over this? How will they die? Loss of blood, burns, lung shock, shrapnel injuries? Stay on topic, regressive leftards.

Actually it would appear the only people that don't care about the 'tinted' races are the regressive left, who simply ignore each and every attack in defense of an ideology that leads to the attacks.   Quite sad really :(

But the point remains - if we are to assume, as gandalf consistently tells us to, that the problem with islamic states are the regimes, as opposed to an illiberal ideology that has swept across, then how is it possible that a regime, in Tunisia, is going to struggle over a reform that, based on western values, is something that should be quick and easy, not even headline news? 

And hey, you're the one who jumped and said 'quite a few'.  No, karnal?  Quickly, edit some posts ;) You're good at that.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 5:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 4:42pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 2:42pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 9:49pm: Let's see how many people end up getting blown up in suicide attacks, or run over by trucks, as a result of this. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/sep/04/we-are-an-example-to-the-arab-world-tunisias-radical-marriage-proposals Quote: Currently, a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry a a non-Muslim. Men are allowed to marry women of any faith who don’t have to convert. Under Islamic law, men typically receive double the inheritance of any woman. Ah Islam, you're so very, very liberal and progressive. Karnal - let me guess...Cleopatra? Jesus, this is how you react to something thats actually good happening in the muslim world? Before I opened the article I genuinely thought it was some backward step being taken. Just proof that you have no interest in seeing reform, you just want to jeer and sneer at it, and cross your fingers and hope it fails - preferably with a bloodbath. That's the new Alevine, G. Now how many attacks and bloodshed, please. We need a specific number. Some details would be good too - don't worry about the tinted races. How many decent white people will be butchered over this? How will they die? Loss of blood, burns, lung shock, shrapnel injuries? Stay on topic, regressive leftards. Actually it would appear the only people that don't care about the 'tinted' races are the regressive left, who simply ignore each and every attack in defense of an ideology that leads to the attacks.   Quite sad really :(

How pathetic are the regressives to excuse these Tunisian attacks. I can hear them already: Amerika! Oil money! The Joos!

You just wait, Alevine. They won't be blaming Islam for these attacks. Will you?

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 5:32pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 5:23pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 4:42pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 2:42pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 9:49pm: Let's see how many people end up getting blown up in suicide attacks, or run over by trucks, as a result of this. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/sep/04/we-are-an-example-to-the-arab-world-tunisias-radical-marriage-proposals Quote: Currently, a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry a a non-Muslim. Men are allowed to marry women of any faith who don’t have to convert. Under Islamic law, men typically receive double the inheritance of any woman. Ah Islam, you're so very, very liberal and progressive. Karnal - let me guess...Cleopatra? Jesus, this is how you react to something thats actually good happening in the muslim world? Before I opened the article I genuinely thought it was some backward step being taken. Just proof that you have no interest in seeing reform, you just want to jeer and sneer at it, and cross your fingers and hope it fails - preferably with a bloodbath. That's the new Alevine, G. Now how many attacks and bloodshed, please. We need a specific number. Some details would be good too - don't worry about the tinted races. How many decent white people will be butchered over this? How will they die? Loss of blood, burns, lung shock, shrapnel injuries? Stay on topic, regressive leftards. Actually it would appear the only people that don't care about the 'tinted' races are the regressive left, who simply ignore each and every attack in defense of an ideology that leads to the attacks.   Quite sad really :( How pathetic are the regressives to excuse these Tunisian attacks. I can hear them already: Amerika! Oil money! The Joos! You just wait, Alevine. They won't be blaming Islam for these attacks. Will you?

We will have to wait and see. If any attacks were to happen, and if the attacker tells us his reasoning was the result of behaviour he got from his interpretation of islam then I won't be doing your song and dance ,Karnal. Because that would simply be irrational.

but if he were to say it was all because of behaviour he got as a reuslt of his understanding of Cleopatra and her life, then hey, maybe you're onto something ;)

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Quote: Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.” Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible.

Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this?

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 2:46pm: Quote: Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.” Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible. Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this?

watch his response will be 'alevine' because he loves strawman arguments ;)

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 2:46pm: Quote: Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.” Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible. Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this?

Oh, that's easy. Alevine, you, anyone else you can think of?

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 5:54pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 2:46pm: Quote: Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.” Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible. Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this? Oh, that's easy. Alevine, you, anyone else you can think of?

Karnal too, don't forget.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:00pm: freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 5:54pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 2:46pm: Quote: Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.” Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible. Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this? Oh, that's easy. Alevine, you, anyone else you can think of? Karnal too, don't forget.

Exactly.  We don't need any actual bloodbaths to blame Islam. Now we can just blame Islam when we hope for a bloodbath.

How do you think they'll do it, Alevine? I'd like a crucifixion squad. They haven't done that before. The car thing's getting boring.

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:35pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:15pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:00pm: freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 5:54pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 2:46pm: Quote: Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.” Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible. Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this? Oh, that's easy. Alevine, you, anyone else you can think of? Karnal too, don't forget. Exactly.  We don't need any actual bloodbaths to blame Islam. Now we can just blame Islam when we hope for a bloodbath. How do you think they'll do it, Alevine? I'd like a crucifixion squad. They haven't done that before. The car thing's getting boring.

Depends on how Allah instructs them, I guess? What would Mohammed do, Karnal?

Also, please don't try and suggest I share in your hopes. I for one do not wish to see any bloodbath. I just fear when it comes to any type of reform in Islam, it's always on the cards :(  And I guess we can blame Cleopatra for that, right Karnal?!  Damn cleopatra and her great blowjobs and clitoris!

Do you think when a jihadist dies he gets 40 virgins plus a cleopatra blowjob, Karnal? Is that what makes them do it?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:35pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:15pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:00pm: freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 5:54pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 2:46pm: Quote: Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.” Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible. Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this? Oh, that's easy. Alevine, you, anyone else you can think of? Karnal too, don't forget. Exactly.  We don't need any actual bloodbaths to blame Islam. Now we can just blame Islam when we hope for a bloodbath. How do you think they'll do it, Alevine? I'd like a crucifixion squad. They haven't done that before. The car thing's getting boring. Depends on how Allah instructs them, I guess? What would Mohammed do, Karnal?

According to our resident Islamic expert, he'd negotiate a treaty, then - and only then - attack them if they break it.

Don't believe it? Ask our resident Islamic non-expert.

Were they mindless?

Were they a collective?

Were they Jewish?

Were they treacherous?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:35pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:15pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:00pm: freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 5:54pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 2:46pm: Quote: Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.” Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible. Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this? Oh, that's easy. Alevine, you, anyone else you can think of? Karnal too, don't forget. Exactly.  We don't need any actual bloodbaths to blame Islam. Now we can just blame Islam when we hope for a bloodbath. How do you think they'll do it, Alevine? I'd like a crucifixion squad. They haven't done that before. The car thing's getting boring. Depends on how Allah instructs them, I guess? What would Mohammed do, Karnal? Also, please don't try and suggest I share in your hopes. I for one do not wish to see any bloodbath.

That's nice, Alevine. Very civilised of you. Can I ask - why did you start this thread?

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:44pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:38pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:35pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:15pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:00pm: freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 5:54pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 2:46pm: Quote: Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.” Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible. Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this? Oh, that's easy. Alevine, you, anyone else you can think of? Karnal too, don't forget. Exactly.  We don't need any actual bloodbaths to blame Islam. Now we can just blame Islam when we hope for a bloodbath. How do you think they'll do it, Alevine? I'd like a crucifixion squad. They haven't done that before. The car thing's getting boring. Depends on how Allah instructs them, I guess? What would Mohammed do, Karnal? According to our resident Islamic expert, he'd negotiate a treaty, then - and only then - attack them if they break it. Don't believe it? Ask our resident Islamic non-expert. Were they mindless? Were they a collective? Were they Jewish? Were they treacherous?

Ah ok, but what happens if no treaty can be reached? Just a blatant attack? Off we go? Bang Bang Bang? 

Do jihadist still get 40 virgins and a cleopatra blowjob if they attack without a treaty? Deary, someone should tell them...

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:47pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:38pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:35pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:15pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:00pm: freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 5:54pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 2:46pm: Quote: Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.” Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible. Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this? Oh, that's easy. Alevine, you, anyone else you can think of? Karnal too, don't forget. Exactly.  We don't need any actual bloodbaths to blame Islam. Now we can just blame Islam when we hope for a bloodbath. How do you think they'll do it, Alevine? I'd like a crucifixion squad. They haven't done that before. The car thing's getting boring. Depends on how Allah instructs them, I guess? What would Mohammed do, Karnal? Also, please don't try and suggest I share in your hopes. I for one do not wish to see any bloodbath. That's nice, Alevine. Very civilised of you. Can I ask - why did you start this thread?

like I've said before, and you've chosen to ignore (typical regressive strawmanning), I'm interested in understanding why it is that EACH time someone tries to reform, the response from conservative islam, islamists, jihadists is to go crazy and stand against the reform? How can anyone hope to reform Islam if 1) conservatism is growning and 2) even simple reforms, such as this one, stand against massive opposition?  Where does this opposition come from? Cleopatra?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:47pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:38pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:35pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:15pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:00pm: freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 5:54pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 2:46pm: Quote: Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.” Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible. Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this? Oh, that's easy. Alevine, you, anyone else you can think of? Karnal too, don't forget. Exactly.  We don't need any actual bloodbaths to blame Islam. Now we can just blame Islam when we hope for a bloodbath. How do you think they'll do it, Alevine? I'd like a crucifixion squad. They haven't done that before. The car thing's getting boring. Depends on how Allah instructs them, I guess? What would Mohammed do, Karnal? Also, please don't try and suggest I share in your hopes. I for one do not wish to see any bloodbath. That's nice, Alevine. Very civilised of you. Can I ask - why did you start this thread? like I've said before, and you've chosen to ignore (typical regressive strawmanning), I'm interested in understanding why it is that EACH time someone tries to reform, the response from conservative islam, islamists, jihadists is to go crazy and stand against the reform? How can anyone hope to reform Islam if 1) conservatism is growning and 2) even simple reforms, such as this one, stand against massive opposition?  Where does this opposition come from? Cleopatra?

What opposition, Alevine?

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:51pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:49pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:47pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:38pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:35pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:15pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:00pm: freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 5:54pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 2:46pm: Quote: Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.” Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible. Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this? Oh, that's easy. Alevine, you, anyone else you can think of? Karnal too, don't forget. Exactly.  We don't need any actual bloodbaths to blame Islam. Now we can just blame Islam when we hope for a bloodbath. How do you think they'll do it, Alevine? I'd like a crucifixion squad. They haven't done that before. The car thing's getting boring. Depends on how Allah instructs them, I guess? What would Mohammed do, Karnal? Also, please don't try and suggest I share in your hopes. I for one do not wish to see any bloodbath. That's nice, Alevine. Very civilised of you. Can I ask - why did you start this thread? like I've said before, and you've chosen to ignore (typical regressive strawmanning), I'm interested in understanding why it is that EACH time someone tries to reform, the response from conservative islam, islamists, jihadists is to go crazy and stand against the reform? How can anyone hope to reform Islam if 1) conservatism is growning and 2) even simple reforms, such as this one, stand against massive opposition?  Where does this opposition come from? Cleopatra? What opposition, Alevine?

read, my dear. read.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:51pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:49pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:47pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:38pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:35pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:15pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:00pm: freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 5:54pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 2:46pm: Quote: Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.” Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible. Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this? Oh, that's easy. Alevine, you, anyone else you can think of? Karnal too, don't forget. Exactly.  We don't need any actual bloodbaths to blame Islam. Now we can just blame Islam when we hope for a bloodbath. How do you think they'll do it, Alevine? I'd like a crucifixion squad. They haven't done that before. The car thing's getting boring. Depends on how Allah instructs them, I guess? What would Mohammed do, Karnal? Also, please don't try and suggest I share in your hopes. I for one do not wish to see any bloodbath. That's nice, Alevine. Very civilised of you. Can I ask - why did you start this thread? like I've said before, and you've chosen to ignore (typical regressive strawmanning), I'm interested in understanding why it is that EACH time someone tries to reform, the response from conservative islam, islamists, jihadists is to go crazy and stand against the reform? How can anyone hope to reform Islam if 1) conservatism is growning and 2) even simple reforms, such as this one, stand against massive opposition?  Where does this opposition come from? Cleopatra? What opposition, Alevine? read, my dear. read.

Do you want to give us something to read? Who's planning the bloodbath?

Cheers.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 5:21pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 2:42pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 9:49pm: Let's see how many people end up getting blown up in suicide attacks, or run over by trucks, as a result of this. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/sep/04/we-are-an-example-to-the-arab-world-tunisias-radical-marriage-proposals Quote: Currently, a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry a a non-Muslim. Men are allowed to marry women of any faith who don’t have to convert. Under Islamic law, men typically receive double the inheritance of any woman. Ah Islam, you're so very, very liberal and progressive. Karnal - let me guess...Cleopatra? Jesus, this is how you react to something thats actually good happening in the muslim world? Before I opened the article I genuinely thought it was some backward step being taken. Just proof that you have no interest in seeing reform, you just want to jeer and sneer at it, and cross your fingers and hope it fails - preferably with a bloodbath. Typical gandalf, the grand master of strawman arguments.  At which point was this thread about the actual reform, rather than the RESPONSE to the reform? mm?

You need to learn what a strawman is alevine.

The problem I was talking about is articulated perfectly in this reply of yours - namely in admitting that you started this thread not to congratulate muslims for inacting progressive reform, but to make hysterics about a non-existent violent response. Only on this forum could someone initiate a discussion on how violent and repressive muslims are - by emphasising a hypothetical and entirely non-existent violent reaction to a positive progressive development in the muslim world. 

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:47pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:38pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:35pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:15pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 10:00pm: freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 5:54pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 2:46pm: Quote: Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.” Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible. Gandalf who, other than Muslims, do you think is hoping for a bloodbath in response to this? Oh, that's easy. Alevine, you, anyone else you can think of? Karnal too, don't forget. Exactly.  We don't need any actual bloodbaths to blame Islam. Now we can just blame Islam when we hope for a bloodbath. How do you think they'll do it, Alevine? I'd like a crucifixion squad. They haven't done that before. The car thing's getting boring. Depends on how Allah instructs them, I guess? What would Mohammed do, Karnal? Also, please don't try and suggest I share in your hopes. I for one do not wish to see any bloodbath. That's nice, Alevine. Very civilised of you. Can I ask - why did you start this thread? like I've said before, and you've chosen to ignore (typical regressive strawmanning), I'm interested in understanding why it is that EACH time someone tries to reform, the response from conservative islam, islamists, jihadists is to go crazy and stand against the reform? How can anyone hope to reform Islam if 1) conservatism is growning and 2) even simple reforms, such as this one, stand against massive opposition?  Where does this opposition come from? Cleopatra?

So you start a thread to analyze how backward and violent muslims are - by pontificating about the non-existent violent reaction to a commendable reform by muslims?

Sorry Alevine, but I don't think I could think of a more inappropriate platform for this attack of yours on muslims.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Quote: Citing the country’s 2014 constitution, considered one of the most progressive in the region, the president said: “The state is obliged to achieve full equality between women and men and to ensure equal opportunities for all responsibilities.” Considering all the crap thats happening in the muslim world, one would think this sort of thing would be met with some positivity. But instead we get jeering and sneering, and people hoping like hell that we get a jolly bloodbath out of it. Incredible.

How about something more meaty Gandalf?

"There is no use in teaching math to a child who does not know the concept of jihad, - Ahmet Hamdi Camlı Deputy of the AKP, the ruling party in Turkey"

If that is too lame try this.

"The terror threat in the United Kingdom is at unprecedented levels, according to British and European experts charged with leading the fight against jihadis in Europe.

There are as many as 35,000 “radicals” in the UK, according to European counter-terrorism coordinator Gilles de Kerchove.

“Of these, 3,000 are worrying for MI5, and of those, 500 are under constant and special attention,” he said.

De Kerchove put the number of extremists in Europe in excess of 50,000."

Feeling warm and fuzzy now?

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 2:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 5:21pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 2:42pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 9:49pm: Let's see how many people end up getting blown up in suicide attacks, or run over by trucks, as a result of this. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/sep/04/we-are-an-example-to-the-arab-world-tunisias-radical-marriage-proposals Quote: Currently, a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry a a non-Muslim. Men are allowed to marry women of any faith who don’t have to convert. Under Islamic law, men typically receive double the inheritance of any woman. Ah Islam, you're so very, very liberal and progressive. Karnal - let me guess...Cleopatra? Jesus, this is how you react to something thats actually good happening in the muslim world? Before I opened the article I genuinely thought it was some backward step being taken. Just proof that you have no interest in seeing reform, you just want to jeer and sneer at it, and cross your fingers and hope it fails - preferably with a bloodbath. Typical gandalf, the grand master of strawman arguments.  At which point was this thread about the actual reform, rather than the RESPONSE to the reform? mm?  You need to learn what a strawman is alevine. The problem I was talking about is articulated perfectly in this reply of yours - namely in admitting that you started this thread not to congratulate muslims for inacting progressive reform, but to make hysterics about a non-existent violent response. Only on this forum could someone initiate a discussion on how violent and repressive muslims are - by emphasising a hypothetical and entirely non-existent violent reaction to a positive progressive development in the muslim world.

A strawman is when I post about the response to the reform and you argue I somehow don't support the reform.
And of course I'm going to be critical of the response because it is insane to even consider there would be any opposition to such a reform.  I mean, we know Islam is backwards, but i didn't realise it was this backwards! Imagine a debate on gay marriage in Tunisia... no... even better... legalising gay sex... what would the same opponents say/do then??? And what drives this insanity? Why, Islam , of course.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 5:32pm:

And of course I'm going to be critical of the response because it is insane to even consider there would be any opposition to such a reform.

There you go again - railing against muslims over something they haven't even done. Doesn't that seem just a little bit hysterical to you?

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 6:12pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:32pm: And of course I'm going to be critical of the response because it is insane to even consider there would be any opposition to such a reform. There you go again - railing against muslims over something they haven't even done. Doesn't that seem just a little bit hysterical to you?

There's no opposition now? Are you suffering from the same inability to read as Karnal, gandalf?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 6:40pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 6:12pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:32pm: And of course I'm going to be critical of the response because it is insane to even consider there would be any opposition to such a reform. There you go again - railing against muslims over something they haven't even done. Doesn't that seem just a little bit hysterical to you? There's no opposition now? Are you suffering from the same inability to read as Karnal, gandalf?

He must be, Alevine.

Read what?