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Message started by whiteknight on Aug 30th, 2017 at 5:40pm

Title: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by whiteknight on Aug 30th, 2017 at 5:40pm
Record energy prices contribute to inequality
30 August 2017
ACTU

The Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) has today called for the Turnbull Government to combat the rising cost of power by standing up to the excessive corporate power in the privatised energy market.

A new report today reveals private energy companies are playing the system to drive up prices and profits.

Power costs have increased by over 200 per cent in recent years; energy companies have racked in massive profits and wages and pensions have flat-lined.   :(

Quotes attributable to ACTU President Ged Kearney:

“The privatised energy market is broken. And while the Turnbull Government fumbles with careless fixes, people are struggling to keep the lights on in their homes.”

“Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull is leading a divided government and is unable, or unwilling, to take the action people need to bring down energy prices.”

“Power prices have tripled since the Abbott-Turnbull Government scrapped the carbon price.”

“The big power companies are out of control. They are earning billions per year off the backs of ordinary people, while paying little or no tax.”   :(

“Prime Minister Turnbull could make the big energy companies pay their taxes. He could introduce a clean energy target. But we have lost confidence that he can.”

“Record high energy prices are contributing to inequality. When workers’ pay has flat lined, company profits are soaring, and the cost of everything is going up. People are struggling to afford to survive.”

“Working people need a pay rise. They need to get paid their superannuation. They need a government who can manage the energy market. They need a government that is there to help them.”

“But the Government is actually making things harder. Cutting penalty rates, cutting corporate tax rates, refusing to crack down on corporate tax evasion, and attacking working people’s unions’ all make inequality worse for the entire country.”   :(

“The Turnbull Government is in the pocket of big business and is too weak to stand up to the big energy companies.”

ENDS

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Leftwinger on Aug 30th, 2017 at 5:45pm
Still waiting for my 550 bucks and some energy policy

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by thecuriousmail on Aug 30th, 2017 at 6:21pm
Power was privatized by governments because they said it would be CHEAPER for the consumer.

But in reality record power price increases followed it.

What gives?? Where's my refund then?!

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by John Smith on Aug 30th, 2017 at 6:22pm
privatisation is a scam


Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by stunspore on Aug 30th, 2017 at 6:27pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 6:22pm:
privatisation is a scam


A legalised scam.

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by John Smith on Aug 30th, 2017 at 6:32pm

stunspore wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 6:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 6:22pm:
privatisation is a scam


A legalised scam.


I'd be curious to see just how many minister involved in the privatisation of the energy grid were either gifted shares after leaving public office, or given a job with the company or one of it's subsidiaries

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by red baron on Aug 30th, 2017 at 6:39pm
thecurioudsmail....When that snake in the grass Mike Baird made sweeping statements that power would be cheaper once privatised, I almost fell out of my chair with the crap that was coming from his mouth

In the following NSW  State election the public acted like stupid bloody lemmings and he landslided in

And now we have that other lying Liberal sh.tpile Berejiklian following suit

Seriously what did the Public expect..to be told the truth? Give me a freaking break

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by thecuriousmail on Aug 30th, 2017 at 7:05pm
So if BOTH lots are lying bastards, who and how are they held accountable???

Here in Qld both parties privatized, and nothing privatized became cheaper.

The next Qld election is within 6 months, I think. The LNP you wouldn't trust to run a pub raffle (they'd try to rig it), and 2 flies have more brains than Palaszczuk, and not exactly honest either, so who you vote for doesn't matter!

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Leftwinger on Aug 30th, 2017 at 7:13pm
Western Power is still in government hands 😀

What is your states kWh price for say daylight hours ?

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by thecuriousmail on Aug 30th, 2017 at 7:29pm
The wife handles it! I just know how much is paid. I can find out the kWh price.

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Baronvonrort on Aug 30th, 2017 at 7:49pm

whiteknight wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
Record energy prices contribute to inequality
30 August 2017
ACTU

The Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) has today called for the Turnbull Government to combat the rising cost of power by standing up to the excessive corporate power in the privatised energy market.


The unions don't have a fukkin clue, Andrews is using taxpayers money to subsidise renewables he is pushing his state to be like SA which has the worlds highest electricity prices and the most unreliable supply thanks to renewable idiocy.


Quote:
Daniel Andrews' low energy Victorian RET power play

Victoria's Daniel Andrews refuses to heed the lessons of his fellow Labor left government in South Australia by announcing an ambitious plan to ensure that 40 per cent of the state's electricity will be generated from renewables such as solar and wind in only seven years. Mr Andrews is ratcheting it up a notch by proposing to enshrine this target in law. Like something out of the ABC television satire Utopia, he promises that this will "drive down prices, attract billions of dollars of investment and create thousands of local jobs". To try to reach his mandatory target, Mr Andrews will adopt a Tony Abbott-style direct action policy to use taxpayers' money to directly subsidise renewables projects from the budget.
http://www.afr.com/opinion/editorials/daniel-andrews-low-energy-victorian-ret-power-play-20170827-gy57cr#ixzz4rEJJKQ8o



It doesn't get much better in Qld with labor with government owned electricity reaping record profits, why are the unions silent about this-


Quote:
Guess who pays for extraordinary profits in electricity supply game

Andrew Marshall
@BurrenAndrew
22 Aug 2017, 6:30 a.m.


In several states consumers are likely to be paying dearly for exceptional profits reaped by power network operators

Your spiralling electricity bill is due to many factors, including recent power plant closures, gas shortages and ageing generation plants, but in several states there’s a fair chance consumers also pay dearly for huge profits reaped by power network operators.

Possibly the best example is Queensland where state government-owned monopoly electricity suppliers, Powerlink, Energex and Ergon Energy rake in returns well above those achieved by leading companies listed on the Australian Securities Exchange (ASX).
For example, in the past 15 years the state’s ownership stake in Powerlink has realised rises in shareholder equity value and dividend returns worth 23 times more than those achieved by blue chip construction company, Lend Lease, and 10.5 times more than minerals and resources giant, BHP Billiton.
http://www.queenslandcountrylife.com.au/story/4868637/extraordinary-profits-for-some-in-power-supply-game/?cs=4698


The forum dole bludger should get an education and a job, Senator David Leyonhjelm says the government should drop GST on electricity, does anyone think our bloated government will drop any taxes?

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Leftwinger on Aug 30th, 2017 at 8:02pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

whiteknight wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
Record energy prices contribute to inequality
30 August 2017
ACTU

The Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) has today called for the Turnbull Government to combat the rising cost of power by standing up to the excessive corporate power in the privatised energy market.


The unions don't have a fukkin clue, Andrews is using taxpayers money to subsidise renewables he is pushing his state to be like SA which has the worlds highest electricity prices and the most unreliable supply thanks to renewable idiocy.


Quote:
Daniel Andrews' low energy Victorian RET power play

Victoria's Daniel Andrews refuses to heed the lessons of his fellow Labor left government in South Australia by announcing an ambitious plan to ensure that 40 per cent of the state's electricity will be generated from renewables such as solar and wind in only seven years. Mr Andrews is ratcheting it up a notch by proposing to enshrine this target in law. Like something out of the ABC television satire Utopia, he promises that this will "drive down prices, attract billions of dollars of investment and create thousands of local jobs". To try to reach his mandatory target, Mr Andrews will adopt a Tony Abbott-style direct action policy to use taxpayers' money to directly subsidise renewables projects from the budget.
http://www.afr.com/opinion/editorials/daniel-andrews-low-energy-victorian-ret-power-play-20170827-gy57cr#ixzz4rEJJKQ8o



It doesn't get much better in Qld with labor with government owned electricity reaping record profits, why are the unions silent about this-

[quote]Guess who pays for extraordinary profits in electricity supply game

Andrew Marshall
@BurrenAndrew
22 Aug 2017, 6:30 a.m.


In several states consumers are likely to be paying dearly for exceptional profits reaped by power network operators

Your spiralling electricity bill is due to many factors, including recent power plant closures, gas shortages and ageing generation plants, but in several states there’s a fair chance consumers also pay dearly for huge profits reaped by power network operators.

Possibly the best example is Queensland where state government-owned monopoly electricity suppliers, Powerlink, Energex and Ergon Energy rake in returns well above those achieved by leading companies listed on the Australian Securities Exchange (ASX).
For example, in the past 15 years the state’s ownership stake in Powerlink has realised rises in shareholder equity value and dividend returns worth 23 times more than those achieved by blue chip construction company, Lend Lease, and 10.5 times more than minerals and resources giant, BHP Billiton.
http://www.queenslandcountrylife.com.au/story/4868637/extraordinary-profits-for-some-in-power-supply-game/?cs=4698


The forum dole bludger should get an education and a job, Senator David Leyonhjelm says the government should drop GST on electricity, does anyone think our bloated government will drop any taxes?
[/quote]

You got told competition would bring lower prices , it hasn't , now that the likes of Hazelwood power have closed what did you think was going to happen with power prices and particularly investment when the fed government did a complete 180 with energy policy , the carbon tax was axed , and it cost us all dearly

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by davo on Aug 30th, 2017 at 8:32pm

Its time wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 7:13pm:
Western Power is still in government hands 😀

What is your states kWh price for say daylight hours ?


NSW 28.50 cents per KWH hour.

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Baronvonrort on Aug 30th, 2017 at 8:50pm

Its time wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 8:02pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

whiteknight wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
Record energy prices contribute to inequality
30 August 2017
ACTU

The Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) has today called for the Turnbull Government to combat the rising cost of power by standing up to the excessive corporate power in the privatised energy market.


The unions don't have a fukkin clue, Andrews is using taxpayers money to subsidise renewables he is pushing his state to be like SA which has the worlds highest electricity prices and the most unreliable supply thanks to renewable idiocy.


Quote:
Daniel Andrews' low energy Victorian RET power play

Victoria's Daniel Andrews refuses to heed the lessons of his fellow Labor left government in South Australia by announcing an ambitious plan to ensure that 40 per cent of the state's electricity will be generated from renewables such as solar and wind in only seven years. Mr Andrews is ratcheting it up a notch by proposing to enshrine this target in law. Like something out of the ABC television satire Utopia, he promises that this will "drive down prices, attract billions of dollars of investment and create thousands of local jobs". To try to reach his mandatory target, Mr Andrews will adopt a Tony Abbott-style direct action policy to use taxpayers' money to directly subsidise renewables projects from the budget.
http://www.afr.com/opinion/editorials/daniel-andrews-low-energy-victorian-ret-power-play-20170827-gy57cr#ixzz4rEJJKQ8o



It doesn't get much better in Qld with labor with government owned electricity reaping record profits, why are the unions silent about this-

[quote]Guess who pays for extraordinary profits in electricity supply game

Andrew Marshall
@BurrenAndrew
22 Aug 2017, 6:30 a.m.


In several states consumers are likely to be paying dearly for exceptional profits reaped by power network operators

Your spiralling electricity bill is due to many factors, including recent power plant closures, gas shortages and ageing generation plants, but in several states there’s a fair chance consumers also pay dearly for huge profits reaped by power network operators.

Possibly the best example is Queensland where state government-owned monopoly electricity suppliers, Powerlink, Energex and Ergon Energy rake in returns well above those achieved by leading companies listed on the Australian Securities Exchange (ASX).
For example, in the past 15 years the state’s ownership stake in Powerlink has realised rises in shareholder equity value and dividend returns worth 23 times more than those achieved by blue chip construction company, Lend Lease, and 10.5 times more than minerals and resources giant, BHP Billiton.
http://www.queenslandcountrylife.com.au/story/4868637/extraordinary-profits-for-some-in-power-supply-game/?cs=4698


The forum dole bludger should get an education and a job, Senator David Leyonhjelm says the government should drop GST on electricity, does anyone think our bloated government will drop any taxes?


You got told competition would bring lower prices , it hasn't , now that the likes of Hazelwood power have closed what did you think was going to happen with power prices and particularly investment when the fed government did a complete 180 with energy policy , the carbon tax was axed , and it cost us all dearly [/quote]

Competition does allow you to choose which power company to use, I go for the cheapest when you have a monopoly you have to pay what they charge.

Prices have gone up with the governments feed in Tariffs for solar, when the government dictates the feed in tariff for solar the power companies have to pay it which means those without solar have been subsidising those with solar, the government raised the price on it they told the power companies what the rate would be the.The power companies bought back power at the same rate they sold it before the government jacked up the prices.

In SA which has the most expensive power they have a 44 cent feed in tariff in place until 2028 is it any wonder they have the most expensive power since the government introduced this idiocy.

The government should not have stuck it's nose in telling the power companies to pay these absurd feed in tariffs, this is the price we are all paying thanks to the renewable idiocy

Of course the economic illiterate dim witted socialist left ignore the government interference with power companies pushing the renewable idiocy which raised prices. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Leftwinger on Aug 30th, 2017 at 9:42pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

Its time wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 8:02pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

whiteknight wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
Record energy prices contribute to inequality
30 August 2017
ACTU

The Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) has today called for the Turnbull Government to combat the rising cost of power by standing up to the excessive corporate power in the privatised energy market.


The unions don't have a fukkin clue, Andrews is using taxpayers money to subsidise renewables he is pushing his state to be like SA which has the worlds highest electricity prices and the most unreliable supply thanks to renewable idiocy.


Quote:
Daniel Andrews' low energy Victorian RET power play

Victoria's Daniel Andrews refuses to heed the lessons of his fellow Labor left government in South Australia by announcing an ambitious plan to ensure that 40 per cent of the state's electricity will be generated from renewables such as solar and wind in only seven years. Mr Andrews is ratcheting it up a notch by proposing to enshrine this target in law. Like something out of the ABC television satire Utopia, he promises that this will "drive down prices, attract billions of dollars of investment and create thousands of local jobs". To try to reach his mandatory target, Mr Andrews will adopt a Tony Abbott-style direct action policy to use taxpayers' money to directly subsidise renewables projects from the budget.
http://www.afr.com/opinion/editorials/daniel-andrews-low-energy-victorian-ret-power-play-20170827-gy57cr#ixzz4rEJJKQ8o



It doesn't get much better in Qld with labor with government owned electricity reaping record profits, why are the unions silent about this-

[quote]Guess who pays for extraordinary profits in electricity supply game

Andrew Marshall
@BurrenAndrew
22 Aug 2017, 6:30 a.m.


In several states consumers are likely to be paying dearly for exceptional profits reaped by power network operators

Your spiralling electricity bill is due to many factors, including recent power plant closures, gas shortages and ageing generation plants, but in several states there’s a fair chance consumers also pay dearly for huge profits reaped by power network operators.

Possibly the best example is Queensland where state government-owned monopoly electricity suppliers, Powerlink, Energex and Ergon Energy rake in returns well above those achieved by leading companies listed on the Australian Securities Exchange (ASX).
For example, in the past 15 years the state’s ownership stake in Powerlink has realised rises in shareholder equity value and dividend returns worth 23 times more than those achieved by blue chip construction company, Lend Lease, and 10.5 times more than minerals and resources giant, BHP Billiton.
http://www.queenslandcountrylife.com.au/story/4868637/extraordinary-profits-for-some-in-power-supply-game/?cs=4698


The forum dole bludger should get an education and a job, Senator David Leyonhjelm says the government should drop GST on electricity, does anyone think our bloated government will drop any taxes?


You got told competition would bring lower prices , it hasn't , now that the likes of Hazelwood power have closed what did you think was going to happen with power prices and particularly investment when the fed government did a complete 180 with energy policy , the carbon tax was axed , and it cost us all dearly


Competition does allow you to choose which power company to use, I go for the cheapest when you have a monopoly you have to pay what they charge.

Prices have gone up with the governments feed in Tariffs for solar, when the government dictates the feed in tariff for solar the power companies have to pay it which means those without solar have been subsidising those with solar, the government raised the price on it they told the power companies what the rate would be the.The power companies bought back power at the same rate they sold it before the government jacked up the prices.

In SA which has the most expensive power they have a 44 cent feed in tariff in place until 2028 is it any wonder they have the most expensive power since the government introduced this idiocy.

The government should not have stuck it's nose in telling the power companies to pay these absurd feed in tariffs, this is the price we are all paying thanks to the renewable idiocy

Of course the economic illiterate dim witted socialist left ignore the government interference with power companies pushing the renewable idiocy which raised prices. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D
[/quote]

SA dependency on gas is their problem for power prices , that could be easily fixed with a gas guarantee from WA as an example , it's easier for you to blame solar , my feed in is 7.315 c per kWh , synergy then sells it back to me for 26-27c per kWh, I am subsidizing my own power

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Leftwinger on Aug 30th, 2017 at 9:46pm
Without doubt the libtards and their flip flopping on energy policy is the problem , 4 years of nothing except reversing good policy , it's little wonder private enterprise are saying you're on your own

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Ye Grappler on Aug 30th, 2017 at 10:57pm
The great encouragement to the providers is to get on the phone and suggest to users how they might save in the short term... but it always comes with a cost... you are tied to a contract and once in, are subject to every change upwards in cost that the provider provides....

This move by Mal is just a con job..... what is required is the abolition of multiple company provi8der service - which contrary to the bilge given out that 'competition will reduce prices' has lead to endless cost increases.

What is needed is the acceptance that 'privatisation' is an abject failure, does not provide the service it claimed it would, and thus needs to be reversed - NOW!

Private enterprise in this guise is demonstrably NOT more efficient.... and thus .. by extension ... all other privatisation ventures are a failure as well..

Resume the power grid and supply, resume the roads, and resume everything else sold off for the benefit of a few insider traders....

Power To the People!!

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by juliar on Aug 31st, 2017 at 12:42pm
More GetUp! Lefty propaganda by the ultra Lefty BlackDay, the text version of the ABC.

Power prices would quadruple under Bull S.'s 50% renewable rubbish.

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Bojack Horseman on Aug 31st, 2017 at 12:47pm

juliar wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 12:42pm:
More GetUp! Lefty propaganda by the ultra Lefty BlackDay, the text version of the ABC.

Power prices would quadruple under Bull S.'s 50% renewable rubbish.



You do realise that at this point I ask show me the working right?

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Leftwinger on Aug 31st, 2017 at 12:50pm

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Unforgiven on Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:18pm
Many hands make light work.

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by BigOl64 on Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:19pm

Its time wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Without doubt the libtards and their flip flopping on energy policy is the problem , 4 years of nothing except reversing good policy , it's little wonder private enterprise are saying you're on your own



And labor's policy is?


That's right it's a secret, hush hush.


Be great to know how labor intends to supply base load power to the country, obviously liberals are hopeless, so come on labor tell us how it can be done.


Hope it is better than QLD labor who spends nearly half a billion dollars every year to suppliment the power lost because base load needs to travel well ove 1000 kms to cairns. Even though in less than 5 years they could build a top class base load power station for the north, but refuse to do so.

Ya gotta wonder why all the waste of power and money when a solution in there to be had.


Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by John Smith on Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:30pm

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:19pm:
And labor's policy is?


labor had a very clear and decisive energy policy when it was in govt. and it'll have one next time around. There is no need for them to release all the details this far out. libs didn't release details for most of their policies until a few days before the election

The risk is that the libs won't have resolve their own internal struggles and they'll simply reverse labors policy next time they're in. Big business can't operate like that. They need a firm direction for the long term. It takes decades to recoup costs, let alone make profits. W Ho's going to risk that sort of money when policy changes every 4 yrs?

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Secret Wars on Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:34pm
I look forward to the sunny uplit lands of the next Labor government. 

I am led to believe by the army of barge arsed unemployable luvvie cretins who camp here morning till night that the NBN and the NDIS will be resolved, energy prices down and that there will be jobs for all. 

Which might be a problem for some of the bargedarsed dole bludgers, having to unstick their arses from a chair and having to work for a day :)

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by John Smith on Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:44pm

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:34pm:
I am led to believe by the army of barge arsed unemployable luvvie cretins who camp here morning till night that the NBN and the NDIS will be resolved, energy prices down and that there will be jobs for all. 


who led you to believe that? It's certainly not anything labor has said.

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Leftwinger on Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:59pm

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:34pm:
I look forward to the sunny uplit lands of the next Labor government. 


Not long now  :)

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by BigOl64 on Aug 31st, 2017 at 2:01pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:30pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:19pm:
And labor's policy is?


labor had a very clear and decisive energy policy when it was in govt. and it'll have one next time around. There is no need for them to release all the details this far out. libs didn't release details for most of their policies until a few days before the election

The risk is that the libs won't have resolve their own internal struggles and they'll simply reverse labors policy next time they're in. Big business can't operate like that. They need a firm direction for the long term. It takes decades to recoup costs, let alone make profits. W Ho's going to risk that sort of money when policy changes every 4 yrs?



So since it is so secret they can make no promise or even compare their policy to the liberals.

They can't even make a glib comment on what they might think the solution may be if in the event a change of government may occur.


Im pretty sure their previous policy was to build not a single base load power station, instead to rely on subsidising cheap chinese roof top solar panel most of which are in land fill.

So they had that going for them.


But if they even hint to some sort of actual policy on energy security, feel free to let me know.



Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by John Smith on Aug 31st, 2017 at 2:11pm

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 2:01pm:
So since it is so secret they can make no promise or even compare their policy to the liberals.


they're not in govt. they have no need to announce anything yet. No business is going to invest billions based on what an opposition does. I'm sure you'll find out all the details before you go to vote.


BigOl64 wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 2:01pm:
They can't even make a glib comment on what they might think the solution may be if in the event a change of government may occur.


they've offered to work with the govt, to come up with a concrete plan in unison. One that will stay in place regardless of who wins the next election so as to end the indecision and give private business a firm direction on how to invest. The liberal govt. has refused.

As it is no one is investing long term in the really big stuff, with either old energy sources or renewable, because no one wants to take the chance that the policies won't change. Sure you have a couple of small projects going on with renewables, but they're never going to be enough.

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by BigOl64 on Aug 31st, 2017 at 2:22pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 2:11pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 2:01pm:
So since it is so secret they can make no promise or even compare their policy to the liberals.


they're not in govt. they have no need to announce anything yet. No business is going to invest billions based on what an opposition does. I'm sure you'll find out all the details before you go to vote.


BigOl64 wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 2:01pm:
They can't even make a glib comment on what they might think the solution may be if in the event a change of government may occur.


they've offered to work with the govt, to come up with a concrete plan in unison. One that will stay in place regardless of who wins the next election so as to end the indecision and give private business a firm direction on how to invest. The liberal govt. has refused.

As it is no one is investing long term in the really big stuff, with either old energy sources or renewable, because no one wants to take the chance that the policies won't change. Sure you have a couple of small projects going on with renewables, but they're never going to be enough.



It is not a battle between 'old energy sources and renewables' it is decision to ensure energy security with base load power, everything else is fluff. They can crap on about roof top solar until they are old and grey, no-one gives a fkk when it is night time and they need power.


Now surely they can explain out loud what they consider is their preferred method of providing base load power, it can be that much of a secret, then needs to be with held for the Australian people.


Just say what it is they approve of and everyone, myself especially will be over fkken joyed. Don't even want a policy anymore just a nod and a wink.




Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by juliar on Aug 31st, 2017 at 5:54pm
The DARK evil that is LABOR.

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 31st, 2017 at 5:59pm

juliar wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 5:54pm:
The DARK evil that is LABOR.


"People Struggling To Keep The Light On".

juliar's light's on, but there's nobody home.


Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by juliar on Aug 31st, 2017 at 6:36pm
If Bull S. ever gets in and sends electricity prices up thru the stratosphere then pensioners will die during winter as they won't be able to afford to turn the heater on.

Save our pensioners - Don't ever VOTE for LABOR!!!!

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 31st, 2017 at 6:38pm

Poor little juliar.



Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Leftwinger on Aug 31st, 2017 at 7:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 6:38pm:
Poor little juliar.




Kangaroo loose in the top paddock  :)

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 31st, 2017 at 7:07pm

Its time wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 6:38pm:
Poor little juliar.




Kangaroo loose in the top paddock  :)


A few sandwiches short of a picnic.


Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Leftwinger on Aug 31st, 2017 at 7:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 7:07pm:

Its time wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 6:38pm:
Poor little juliar.




Kangaroo loose in the top paddock  :)


A few sandwiches short of a picnic.


Cheese slid of his cracker

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 31st, 2017 at 7:11pm

Its time wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 7:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 7:07pm:

Its time wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 6:38pm:
Poor little juliar.




Kangaroo loose in the top paddock  :)


A few sandwiches short of a picnic.


Cheese slid of his cracker


Doesn't have all his cornflakes in one box.

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Leftwinger on Aug 31st, 2017 at 7:20pm
Engaging in mental combat with the unarmed

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 31st, 2017 at 7:31pm

Its time wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 7:20pm:
Engaging in mental combat with the unarmed


His antenna doesn't pick up all the channels.

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Vic on Aug 31st, 2017 at 8:44pm
A shilling short of a pound

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Leftwinger on Aug 31st, 2017 at 9:03pm

Vic wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 8:44pm:
A shilling short of a pound


All the brains God gave a ducks arse

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Francis on Aug 31st, 2017 at 11:37pm
I don't understand.

Australian has now some the highest power prices on earth.

Its bad for business. Industry. Small business. And every household.

Still no solution from political people

Title: Re: People Struggling To Keep The Light On
Post by Ye Grappler on Sep 1st, 2017 at 12:07am

Francis wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 11:37pm:
I don't understand.

Australian has now some the highest power prices on earth.

Its bad for business. Industry. Small business. And every household.

Still no solution from political people


Political people don't want an answer - they are earning from it.... why would they change that?

Ten kangaroos short in the top paddock..... a troll - why do you bother?  Anything to try to inflame... now I like to stir you all some times and make you think... but this?  Kindly do not compare me with this.... MY kangaroos are firmly established in the top paddock... and they love the early corn shoots... buggars....

Where I used to live the kangaroos DID come into a farmer's corn paddock - he didn't give a damn since they ate the sweet grass weeds for him.... nature has its ways....

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