How to respond to the worldwide upswing in racism

Where does hatred come from? And how must we respond? These are questions many have been asking during the past week. It's not only Americans who are rattled by the violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, and by President Donald Trump's failure to unequivocally condemn white supremacists. Around the world, there are clear signs that the old evil of bigotry has returned in full force.

Liberal democracy everywhere is under challenge. Far-right populist movements are growing in support, seizing upon disillusionment with established politics. They are fuelling xenophobia and racism.

Australia isn't immune from this. There are signs that organised racism and bigotry have been emboldened. In recent weeks a number of universities and schools have been smeared with white supremacist propaganda targeting groups including Jews, Muslims and Asians.

The tone of public debate has also deteriorated. While Parliament has its theatrical moments, Pauline Hanson's burqa stunt in the Senate went into new pantomime territory. Dick Smith last week launched an advertisement about slashing immigration, in which he predicts war and collapse while clutching a pitchfork.

Amid all this, there have been some brighter moments. Attorney-General George Brandis delivered a powerful rebuke of Senator Hanson. In the US, former presidents Bush, Clinton and Obama were forthright in rejecting hatred and violence.

But it was Barack Obama's response that has proved most memorable. Quoting Nelson Mandela, Obama wrote on Twitter: "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love. For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite."

It is true that hatred isn't innate to humanity. Racists aren't born racist. Bigots have to learn to become bigots. And it's equally true that hatred can be overcome through goodwill.

Yet getting to that point isn't easy.

It has become harder, for instance, to see racism and bigotry for what they clearly are. Today's far-right expressions of hatred have been cloaked with a new respectability. White supremacist and neo-Nazi elements have been savvy in rebranding themselves as "alt-right". White pride is justified as cultural self-determination, concealing how its adherents believe in racial purity and hierarchy. It can be enough to convince people of a novelty to the "alt-right", when it is just far-right racism by another name.

There can also be a misguided even-handedness on race and bigotry. People can think there are "many sides" to hatred and violence, as Trump said in his response to Charlottesville. In much of the reporting about anti-Islam movements here, anti-racism groups are put on a par with the self-styled "patriots" who target Muslim Australians.

But, in the big picture, there aren't morally equivalent sides to racism and anti-racism. On one side are those such as the white supremacists in Charlottesville who chanted "Jews will not replace us". Those who oppose them are on the side of justice and equality.

Still, where to draw the line on racism can be a source of confusion. Some say we mustn't equate racially offensive speech with the more serious category of racial physical violence. There is a distinction to be drawn between speech and action. Such a view, however, ignores how speech is itself an act, with real consequences. And it ignores how racially charged speech can quickly escalate.

Extreme racism doesn't always begin as extreme racism. Sometimes it evolves from something more seemingly benign. The cumulative effect of low-level racism, when left unchallenged, is it makes more serious forms of it possible.

Violent speech and violent action are connected. It was racist hate speech that was the prelude to the Rwandan genocide of the 1990s, just as anti-Semitic propaganda paved the way for Nazis to carry out the Holocaust.

So how we characterise racism matters. It can be convenient to believe racism is simply a product of ignorance. And assuring to think a resurgence of far-right nationalism has come from economic anxiety, rather than anything more visceral.

The reality is that racism's return also reflects a public debate where there is more accommodation of bigotry. Our multicultural society faces a paradox. For all our success on race relations in recent decades, some believe it is acceptable again to vent racial hostility openly.

Recent events in the US show us that leadership matters. When licence is given to bigotry, we can't be surprised to find that it flourishes. Hatred may not always begin with politics, but politics can bequeath hatred.

As for how we must respond, in one sense it is simple. Our society mustn't give ground to far-right extremism, and our leaders mustn't pander to people's fears. It is not enough to be non-racist; we must also be anti-racist.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/how-to-respond-to-the-worldwide-upswing-in-racism-20170822-gy1cyt.html

Scrolled down to the bottom; saw 'SMH'. Thread on racism started by Mothballs. Nothing to see here, folks.

Which racism are we talking about?  Overall racism or specific 'first port of call ones to resolved as a priority' first before we address the overall and all-encompassing issues that cross all divides?

Third sentence tells it all "white supremacists"..... please explain HOW they are white supremacists and how this 'white supremacy' would be installed.... staging a protest is not 'supremacist' in any way - unless you accord the same title to all protests......

Do we label all Muslims supremacists because fifty eight of them mow down pedestrians with cars etc?  Why then do we label an entire group 'supremacist' when one disaffected person from that group mows down pedestrians?

What standards (if any) are we applying to this discussion?  (Answer: None - just pumping out emotive words and terms).... even Obama made a studiedly neutral comment - but I guess many missed it when they automatically applied their 'bigot' word to one group and not others....

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 11:52am:

How to respond to the worldwide upswing in racism It is true that hatred isn't innate to humanity. Racists aren't born racist. Bigots have to learn to become bigots. And it's equally true that hatred can be overcome through goodwill.

Yep it is all whitey's fault.


If we didn't criticise a backward violent religious death cult like islam,  they would be happy to not threaten to cut our fkken heads and everyone would be harmonious bliss.


It isn't racism if they are violent fkken murderers.  :) :) :)

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Embrace racism.

After all ' ...... chanted "Jews will not replace us" ...... ' do you WANT to be replaced by another culture ?

Be a patriot.
Be proud of your own culture and who you are.

Know that mono-culture societies are better.

I would start by proving the upswing exists. But you are welcome to leap straight to the hysterical reaction bit.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 12:16pm:

Be a patriot. Be proud of your own culture and who you are.

When you're white you're not allowed to be proud of your colour and heritage lest being branded a white supremacist.

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 12:39pm:

I would start by proving the upswing exists. But you are welcome to leap straight to the hysterical reaction bit.

You're unaware? Well, for a start there has been a 17% increase in hate groups in the last year in the US alone.

But it's kinda been on the news that it's on the rise the globe over.

And it's neither nice nor helpful to accuse a person's response to what you really should have known about by know of being hysterical simply because you are ignorant.

Once you've sorted through that, perhaps we can discuss the article?

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 12:45pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:39pm: I would start by proving the upswing exists. But you are welcome to leap straight to the hysterical reaction bit. You're unaware? Well, for a start there has been a 17% increase in hate groups in the last year in the US alone.

I'd call BS on that. The SPLC are designating any church that apposes SSM as hate groups.

In a moral society, the majority has a duty to prevent disrespect and discrimination against minorities.

Gordon wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 12:47pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:45pm: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:39pm: I would start by proving the upswing exists. But you are welcome to leap straight to the hysterical reaction bit. You're unaware? Well, for a start there has been a 17% increase in hate groups in the last year in the US alone. I'd call BS on that. The SPLC are designating any church that apposes SSM as hate groups.

Oh? They're declaring churches hate groups are they?

You wouldn't just be making crwp up again, would you Gordy?

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 12:49pm:

In a moral society, the majority has a duty to prevent disrespect and discrimination against minorities.

And indeed, in an ethical society also.

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 12:49pm:

In a moral society, the majority has a duty to prevent disrespect and discrimination against minorities.

In a moral society, the minorities have a duty to prevent disrespect and discrimination against the majority.

Methinks you all need to get those thinking caps on straight... all persons in a moral society have the same duties..... not just some... and in the case of your 'majority' are you discussing 75% of the population each going his or her separate way?  How does that constitute a 'majority' in this context?  People do not belong to monolithic block social groups, you know...

The term Nazi is being chucked at to anyone who doesn't have a lefter than left agenda. Even Dave Rubin....a gay Jew has been called a Nazi.  ;D ;D

Gordon wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 1:03pm:

The term Nazi is being chucked at to anyone who doesn't have a lefter than left agenda. Even Dave Rubin....a gay Jew has been called a Nazi.  ;D ;D

So have Antifa. What's your point?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 12:16pm:

Embrace racism. After all ' ...... chanted "Jews will not replace us" ...... ' do you WANT to be replaced by another culture ? Be a patriot. Be proud of your own culture and who you are. Know that mono-culture societies are better.

Not sure if I'd go that far: culture is celebration, ...and ceremony: simply kick out the dickhead mass murderers!

:D

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 12:39pm:

I would start by proving the upswing exists. But you are welcome to leap straight to the hysterical reaction bit.

You have a logical basis there!

     ****I mean, "...when did it start?" So, that is the question!

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 1:05pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 1:03pm: The term Nazi is being chucked at to anyone who doesn't have a lefter than left agenda. Even Dave Rubin....a gay Jew has been called a Nazi.  ;D ;D So have Antifa. What's your point?

The general population are berko with consumeristic hyperbowl : the mass media is basically a hollywood blockbuster 24 hours a day and how can that not equal fake news!

Look at Australias housing bubble: how can their be actual value for money there unless backed by masive immigration promising more customers. The only other trick needed to keep it afloat thusfar was no training for the supply side! You work your ring out doing that shite.... they will literally kill you and that's in Australia!

They pour the cement on the ground and you've got afhgans throwing it off the hock: the trowel is just so it doesn't fall off the wall.... it's almost hilarious!

...and then you've got bullshite feminsts complaining about not enough lay down sally wealth  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

iT IS A POWDER KEGG - BUT IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN...  ;D

...and that is just australia!

Im not racist!
I love color TV.


Multiculturalism doesn't work!
One culture, multi race might. If we Australians want to protect our own culture then we're called and labeled racist. TV presenters like to look all smug and fair and are probably some of the loudest voices calling us racist.
How many of you Austrlaians out there go over to Kim Su's for dinner, or hang out with muhammad and abdul on the weekend? My guess is not many, if any.
All multiculture has done is create segregation in society. Kim Su has dinner with Chum Lee. Muhammad and abdul hang out with fazil and hakum and you go over to dazza and shazza's.


Now here's a racist comment, maybe.
Australian society was built by a white and slightly tan culture. Many whites/tans from many countries. People migrated from all over the world to our shores and "fit in" to this culture and way of life. No Christmas debates. No Australia day debates. They wanted to be here and accepted the country they migrated too for what it was. Good men died protecting this country and its way of life. There would be no Australia if it weren't for them.

But now it seems that some stupid city dwelling latte sipping yuppy gender confused crazy people want to allow everyone to bring whatever the bugger they like here and treat this country however the bugger they please. Allowing all these overseas companies in and pretty much taking our money offshore. We are being taxed on our taxes. Bleeding us dry.
Are we some kind of experiment?  How can Hong Kong be so successful yet this place fail miserably? Their tax system and the fact that they protect their assets maybe.
Thank that imbisile by the name of John Howard. That FWIT sent this country to the cleaners and it hasn't stopped.  The other side is no better.

Racism is here to stay now. You cant have multiculture and exist without it.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 12:16pm:

Embrace racism. After all ' ...... chanted "Jews will not replace us" ...... ' do you WANT to be replaced by another culture ? Be a patriot. Be proud of your own culture and who you are. Know that mono-culture societies are better.

To be proud of your own culture first you have to have a culture.

Mothra,
did you ever think that the Sudanese crime gangs doing home invasions
would have something to do with it?

No wonder some people sound racist.

Captain Caveman wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 7:32pm:

Im not racist! I love color TV. Multiculturalism doesn't work! One culture, multi race might. If we Australians want to protect our own culture then we're called and labeled racist. TV presenters like to look all smug and fair and are probably some of the loudest voices calling us racist. How many of you Austrlaians out there go over to Kim Su's for dinner, or hang out with muhammad and abdul on the weekend? My guess is not many, if any. All multiculture has done is create segregation in society. Kim Su has dinner with Chum Lee. Muhammad and abdul hang out with fazil and hakum and you go over to dazza and shazza's. Now here's a racist comment, maybe. Australian society was built by a white and slightly tan culture. Many whites/tans from many countries. People migrated from all over the world to our shores and "fit in" to this culture and way of life. No Christmas debates. No Australia day debates. They wanted to be here and accepted the country they migrated too for what it was. Good men died protecting this country and its way of life. There would be no Australia if it weren't for them. But now it seems that some stupid city dwelling latte sipping yuppy gender confused crazy people want to allow everyone to bring whatever the bugger they like here and treat this country however the bugger they please. Allowing all these overseas companies in and pretty much taking our money offshore. We are being taxed on our taxes. Bleeding us dry. Are we some kind of experiment?  How can Hong Kong be so successful yet this place fail miserably? Their tax system and the fact that they protect their assets maybe. Thank that imbisile by the name of John Howard. That FWIT sent this country to the cleaners and it hasn't stopped.  The other side is no better. Racism is here to stay now. You cant have multiculture and exist without it.

Can you give us your definition of the term Australian.
Is it a culture that you have in mind?

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2622/4158606709_ddc3b9a560_o.jpg

Bobby. wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 8:08pm:

Mothra, did you ever think that the Sudanese crime gangs doing home invasions would have something to do with it? No wonder some people sound racist.

nope, gordy doesn't live anywhere near any sudanese crime gangs :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 8:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:08pm: Mothra, did you ever think that the Sudanese crime gangs doing home invasions would have something to do with it? No wonder some people sound racist. nope, gordy doesn't live anywhere near any sudanese crime gangs :D :D :D

Night after night Sudanese crime gangs run riot in Melbourne -
high on ice - not sleeping for a week or more -
extremely violent, armed thugs, robbing & bashing people.
Why did we bring them here?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 8:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:08pm: Mothra, did you ever think that the Sudanese crime gangs doing home invasions would have something to do with it? No wonder some people sound racist. nope, gordy doesn't live anywhere near any sudanese crime gangs :D :D :D Night after night Sudanese crime gangs run riot in Melbourne - high on ice - not sleeping for a week or more - extremely violent, armed thugs, robbing & bashing people. Why did we bring them here?

crime gangs have run rampant in one form or another since Melbourne was first settled. Grow a set and stop blaming race

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 8:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:08pm: Mothra, did you ever think that the Sudanese crime gangs doing home invasions would have something to do with it? No wonder some people sound racist. nope, gordy doesn't live anywhere near any sudanese crime gangs :D :D :D

More multicultural than the Goldy which looks like a white supremacy rally

Gordon wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 8:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:08pm: Mothra, did you ever think that the Sudanese crime gangs doing home invasions would have something to do with it? No wonder some people sound racist. nope, gordy doesn't live anywhere near any sudanese crime gangs :D :D :D More multicultural than the Goldy which looks like a white supremacy rally

yeah ... you're surrounded by wogs and arabs where you are :D :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 8:28pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:27pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:08pm: Mothra, did you ever think that the Sudanese crime gangs doing home invasions would have something to do with it? No wonder some people sound racist. nope, gordy doesn't live anywhere near any sudanese crime gangs :D :D :D More multicultural than the Goldy which looks like a white supremacy rally yeah ... you're surrounded by wogs and arabs where you are :D :D :D :D

Ffs John, the Goldy was so obviously white it made me do the double take.

My house is in a very white area but the area is totally multicultural.

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 8:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:18pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:08pm: Mothra, did you ever think that the Sudanese crime gangs doing home invasions would have something to do with it? No wonder some people sound racist. nope, gordy doesn't live anywhere near any sudanese crime gangs :D :D :D Night after night Sudanese crime gangs run riot in Melbourne - high on ice - not sleeping for a week or more - extremely violent, armed thugs, robbing & bashing people. Why did we bring them here? crime gangs have run rampant in one form or another since Melbourne was first settled. Grow a set and stop blaming race

Maybe so - but not that kind of random violence mad hopped-up insanity.... might as well deal with the ones we can clearly ID first, ship them out - then get the rest...

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 1:05pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 1:03pm: The term Nazi is being chucked at to anyone who doesn't have a lefter than left agenda. Even Dave Rubin....a gay Jew has been called a Nazi.  ;D ;D So have Antifa. What's your point?

Lock in A), Eddie - "yes - "They're All NAZIs"

capitosinora wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 8:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:16pm: Embrace racism. After all ' ...... chanted "Jews will not replace us" ...... ' do you WANT to be replaced by another culture ? Be a patriot. Be proud of your own culture and who you are. Know that mono-culture societies are better. To be proud of your own culture first you have to have a culture.

Are you suggesting that Australian is not a culture?  Oh, well - that settles it - there are NO cultures - so fit the bugger in or get out!


Cancel all State and Federal funding for councils that to not wish to be part of this nation and its heritage.  Better still - abolish those councils and put in administrators.

capitosinora wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 8:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:16pm: Embrace racism. After all ' ...... chanted "Jews will not replace us" ...... ' do you WANT to be replaced by another culture ? Be a patriot. Be proud of your own culture and who you are. Know that mono-culture societies are better. To be proud of your own culture first you have to have a culture.

You poor bubba, did an Aussie steal your girlfriend?

Racism has no place in our country.

Controlled immigration is a necessity

CULTS must be banned, eespecially those that preech hatred and racism.

Perhaps we should look more closely at the CULT of islam, it is the single most biggoted CULT on earth.
And yet, even though they practice racial hatred against Jews, they are not criticized?

Why is that?

Get rid of racial groupings? 

Problem solved....  ::)

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 8:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:18pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:08pm: Mothra, did you ever think that the Sudanese crime gangs doing home invasions would have something to do with it? No wonder some people sound racist. nope, gordy doesn't live anywhere near any sudanese crime gangs :D :D :D Night after night Sudanese crime gangs run riot in Melbourne - high on ice - not sleeping for a week or more - extremely violent, armed thugs, robbing & bashing people. Why did we bring them here? crime gangs have run rampant in one form or another since Melbourne was first settled. Grow a set and stop blaming race

Not like now:
https://aussienationalists.wordpress.com/#jp-carousel-39

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 12:49pm:

In a moral society, the majority has a duty to prevent disrespect and discrimination against minorities.

are you suggesting its only minority groups that are discriminated or disrespected???..



seriously!

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 7:11am:

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:49pm: In a moral society, the majority has a duty to prevent disrespect and discrimination against minorities. are you suggesting its only minority groups that are discriminated or disrespected???.. seriously!

That's the approved line, cods - the majority simply cannot be discriminated against it seems... could've fooled me.

Been called an old nice people, a white nice people, a chauvinist pig etc, had sand knickers abuse me for walking down 'their' street (let me take you by the hand and walk you through the streets of Campsie**)... must have been me oppressing those poor bastards all that time...

**Hey Greg, mothra, maybe Smithy - how about a little shopping trip... catch the train to Campsie and we'll do the shops there..... just stroll around a little... should be easy, eh?  Maybe park the car in Bankistan... tour the mall .. come back and see if it's still there with all its parts.....

its funny how we are quick to judge others behavior   but not our own....

to be honest   when I read some of the posts here on these topics...hate/racism/ I can read into those who judge   exactly the same thing they are judging    ::)hate and racism...and of course intolerance...

a classic case of.. he who is without sin..

come on guys... this racism works from all directions...just the tone may be different... ::)

for instance many cultures will not endure marriage outside of their culture one of the reasons for rushing their son s and daughters back to the old country .think about it they would do anything rather than allow their children to marry either white or Aussie...we are not good enough..

but it isnt called racism...but thats what it comes down too.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 7:19am:

cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 7:11am: Unforgiven wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:49pm: In a moral society, the majority has a duty to prevent disrespect and discrimination against minorities. are you suggesting its only minority groups that are discriminated or disrespected???.. seriously! That's the approved line, cods - the majority simply cannot be discriminated against it seems... could've fooled me. Been called an old nice people, a white nice people, a chauvinist pig etc, had sand knickers abuse me for walking down 'their' street (let me take you by the hand and walk you through the streets of Campsie**)... must have been me oppressing those poor bastards all that time... **Hey Greg, mothra, maybe Smithy - how about a little shopping trip... catch the train to Campsie and we'll do the shops there..... just stroll around a little... should be easy, eh?  Maybe park the car in Bankistan... tour the mall .. come back and see if it's still there with all its parts.....

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


I do wonder if some folks live on a nice little knol somewhere safe from the real world...no bad guys just happy smiling well behaved children doing good deeds ..

ahhhhh Utopia.! ::) ::)

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 8:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:18pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:08pm: Mothra, did you ever think that the Sudanese crime gangs doing home invasions would have something to do with it? No wonder some people sound racist. nope, gordy doesn't live anywhere near any sudanese crime gangs :D :D :D Night after night Sudanese crime gangs run riot in Melbourne - high on ice - not sleeping for a week or more - extremely violent, armed thugs, robbing & bashing people. Why did we bring them here? crime gangs have run rampant in one form or another since Melbourne was first settled. Grow a set and stop blaming race

Not like now:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Sudanese_crime_gangs.jpg

We just need to be able to carry handguns with us, we can protect ourselves against gangs then.

Just sit back and enjoy your cultural enrichment, but carry a gun

capitosinora wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 8:12pm:

Can you give us your definition of the term Australian. Is it a culture that you have in mind?

Of course it's our culture.
Are you stereo typing that bloke in the picture? How do you know he hasn't done a massive day at work. That's right, it's racist for us Australians to have a culture.
BUT
Abdul can come here, bring his herom, have each one on benifits and live the relaxed Aussie lifestyle because that's his culture, all the while the real Aussies are working relentlessly to pay for it.

Yes we have some real deadsh!t Aussies amongst us but there is no need to add to it with deadsh!ts from other cultures as well. Our aged care, the men and women that have worked a lifetime for this country are being treated as second class to all these refugees and free loading migrants. Turn it around and treat them as second class to our own and show our elderly that the country they worked hard for is there for them untill they pass.

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 12:39pm:

I would start by proving the upswing exists. But you are welcome to leap straight to the hysterical reaction bit.

Exactly. Instead of being so hysterical about modern day racism, we should screech for months on end against the wacism of people who make observations about the tribal nature of 7th century Arab society.

What Global Upswing?

You have to be kidding mothballs. :D

rhino wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 9:26pm:

capitosinora wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:06pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:16pm: Embrace racism. After all ' ...... chanted "Jews will not replace us" ...... ' do you WANT to be replaced by another culture ? Be a patriot. Be proud of your own culture and who you are. Know that mono-culture societies are better. To be proud of your own culture first you have to have a culture. You poor bubba, did an Aussie steal your girlfriend?

Blah, blah, blah stop talking about something you don't know what it is.
If you have intelligence and culture give us:

1. Definition of an Australian
2. Definition of Australian cultural identity.


Australian cultural identity

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 8:59pm:

capitosinora wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:06pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:16pm: Embrace racism. After all ' ...... chanted "Jews will not replace us" ...... ' do you WANT to be replaced by another culture ? Be a patriot. Be proud of your own culture and who you are. Know that mono-culture societies are better. To be proud of your own culture first you have to have a culture. Are you suggesting that Australian is not a culture?  Oh, well - that settles it - there are NO cultures - so fit the bugger in or get out! Cancel all State and Federal funding for councils that to not wish to be part of this nation and its heritage.  Better still - abolish those councils and put in administrators.

Of course not, unlike America, Australia hasn't developed either cultural or national identity.
What Australia has is just a poor imitation of British lower class unculture.
You get rid of everyone who is exceptional and wants to develop Australian culture and then US and Europe have to accommodate them as cultural dissidents
Robert Hughes, one of the the greatest world intellectuals who was expelled from Australia and lived for 50 years in US wrote in his book Australia beyond the fatal shore about his country of origin:

"Australia is teritorially huge, culturally tiny and politically insignificant"

So better stop with empty talks and start improving yourself with help of others.

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 12:45pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:39pm: I would start by proving the upswing exists. But you are welcome to leap straight to the hysterical reaction bit. You're unaware? Well, for a start there has been a 17% increase in hate groups in the last year in the US alone.

Ah statistics, when regular lies are just not good enough.

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 12:02pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:45pm: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:39pm: I would start by proving the upswing exists. But you are welcome to leap straight to the hysterical reaction bit. You're unaware? Well, for a start there has been a 17% increase in hate groups in the last year in the US alone. Ah statistics, when regular lies are just not good enough.

You know they are wrong? Interesting. Care to prove it? And that there aren't at least 10 new KKK groups registered since Trump's inauguration?

Are you asking me whether I can disprove BS faster than you can make it up?

capitosinora wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 9:27am:

rhino wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 9:26pm: capitosinora wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:06pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:16pm: Embrace racism. After all ' ...... chanted "Jews will not replace us" ...... ' do you WANT to be replaced by another culture ? Be a patriot. Be proud of your own culture and who you are. Know that mono-culture societies are better. To be proud of your own culture first you have to have a culture. You poor bubba, did an Aussie steal your girlfriend? Blah, blah, blah stop talking about something you don't know what it is. If you have intelligence and culture give us: 1. Definition of an Australian 2. Definition of Australian cultural identity. Australian cultural identity http://theme-me.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/yobbo-man-costume-lying-down-beer-remotejpg.jpg

So wait one - by the same standards - no other nation has a culture, either, since each is made of of many disparate groups, not all acting the same....

You do realise now that your premise has zero floor under it, don't you?

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 12:06pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:02pm: mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:45pm: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:39pm: I would start by proving the upswing exists. But you are welcome to leap straight to the hysterical reaction bit. You're unaware? Well, for a start there has been a 17% increase in hate groups in the last year in the US alone. Ah statistics, when regular lies are just not good enough. You know they are wrong? Interesting. Care to prove it? And that there aren't at least 10 new KKK groups registered since Trump's inauguration?

They're registering KKK groups now?  Wow!  What progress.  Maybe they could form a Union if they have enough branches....

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 12:02pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:45pm: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:39pm: I would start by proving the upswing exists. But you are welcome to leap straight to the hysterical reaction bit. You're unaware? Well, for a start there has been a 17% increase in hate groups in the last year in the US alone. Ah statistics, when regular lies are just not good enough.

I would ask mothra where she gets these stats from?..

not some almost unheard of website that will say anything to get a hit...I trust...

when mothra talks HATE groups.. does she mean they come from every direction  or just the West?...

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 12:27pm:

Are you asking me whether I can disprove BS faster than you can make it up?

What are you basing your rejection of the statistics on? Your gut?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 12:49pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:06pm: freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:02pm: mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:45pm: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:39pm: I would start by proving the upswing exists. But you are welcome to leap straight to the hysterical reaction bit. You're unaware? Well, for a start there has been a 17% increase in hate groups in the last year in the US alone. Ah statistics, when regular lies are just not good enough. You know they are wrong? Interesting. Care to prove it? And that there aren't at least 10 new KKK groups registered since Trump's inauguration? They're registering KKK groups now?  Wow!  What progress.  Maybe they could form a Union if they have enough branches....

I'm sure theirs a local Australian equivalent you can join.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 12:49pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:06pm: freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:02pm: mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:45pm: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:39pm: I would start by proving the upswing exists. But you are welcome to leap straight to the hysterical reaction bit. You're unaware? Well, for a start there has been a 17% increase in hate groups in the last year in the US alone. Ah statistics, when regular lies are just not good enough. You know they are wrong? Interesting. Care to prove it? And that there aren't at least 10 new KKK groups registered since Trump's inauguration? They're registering KKK groups now?  Wow!  What progress.  Maybe they could form a Union if they have enough branches....

I wonder how many NEW CELLS   the muslim terrorists organisations  has opened since London Bridge??...


any ideas mothra?.

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 12:59pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:49pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:06pm: freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:02pm: mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:45pm: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:39pm: I would start by proving the upswing exists. But you are welcome to leap straight to the hysterical reaction bit. You're unaware? Well, for a start there has been a 17% increase in hate groups in the last year in the US alone. Ah statistics, when regular lies are just not good enough. You know they are wrong? Interesting. Care to prove it? And that there aren't at least 10 new KKK groups registered since Trump's inauguration? They're registering KKK groups now?  Wow!  What progress.  Maybe they could form a Union if they have enough branches.... I wonder how many NEW CELLS   the muslim terrorists organisations  has opened since London Bridge??... any ideas mothra?.

Why are you trying to minimise white supremacy by constantly referencing Muslim terrorism?

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:00pm:

cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:59pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:49pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:06pm: freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:02pm: mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:45pm: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:39pm: I would start by proving the upswing exists. But you are welcome to leap straight to the hysterical reaction bit. You're unaware? Well, for a start there has been a 17% increase in hate groups in the last year in the US alone. Ah statistics, when regular lies are just not good enough. You know they are wrong? Interesting. Care to prove it? And that there aren't at least 10 new KKK groups registered since Trump's inauguration? They're registering KKK groups now?  Wow!  What progress.  Maybe they could form a Union if they have enough branches.... I wonder how many NEW CELLS   the muslim terrorists organisations  has opened since London Bridge??... any ideas mothra?. Why are you trying to minimise white supremacy by constantly referencing Muslim terrorism?

so another non answer..lol..

where have i minimised  white groups mothra..

you see I understand they are not good people..

and a lady was killed last week  by a car driven into a crowd by a NAZI ...about the same time   a Van was driven into a group of people in Barcelona where about 14 people were killed....by a muslim terrorist...

I believe they are all worthy of mention.. dont you?.. :

or would you rather not talk about that?.

it all has an underline of racism about it.. dont you think?.

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:11pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:00pm: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:59pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:49pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:06pm: freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:02pm: mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:45pm: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:39pm: I would start by proving the upswing exists. But you are welcome to leap straight to the hysterical reaction bit. You're unaware? Well, for a start there has been a 17% increase in hate groups in the last year in the US alone. Ah statistics, when regular lies are just not good enough. You know they are wrong? Interesting. Care to prove it? And that there aren't at least 10 new KKK groups registered since Trump's inauguration? They're registering KKK groups now?  Wow!  What progress.  Maybe they could form a Union if they have enough branches.... I wonder how many NEW CELLS   the muslim terrorists organisations  has opened since London Bridge??... any ideas mothra?. Why are you trying to minimise white supremacy by constantly referencing Muslim terrorism? so another non answer..lol.. where have i minimised  white groups mothra.. you see I understand they are not good people.. and a lady was killed last week  by a car driven into a crowd by a NAZI ...about the same time   a Van was driven into a group of people in Barcelona where about 14 people were killed....by a muslim terrorist... I believe they are all worthy of mention.. dont you?.. : or would you rather not talk about that?. it all has an underline of racism about it.. dont you think?.

I have talked about the terrorist attack in Barcelona, Cods. I condemned it utterly.  I didn't use it as a segue-way to hang poo on racists though.

This thread is about the upswing in racism and how best to approach it. It's not like there are a shortqage of threads on Muslims, Cods. Most of them here, in fact.

I would like to address the rise in racism. It concerns me greatly. I'm equally concerned about most of the comment on this thread and the thinking that went into their composition.

So Mothball, are you saying that muslim terrorists and their supporters are not racist?

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:18pm:

cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:11pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:00pm: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:59pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:49pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:06pm: freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:02pm: mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:45pm: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:39pm: I would start by proving the upswing exists. But you are welcome to leap straight to the hysterical reaction bit. You're unaware? Well, for a start there has been a 17% increase in hate groups in the last year in the US alone. Ah statistics, when regular lies are just not good enough. You know they are wrong? Interesting. Care to prove it? And that there aren't at least 10 new KKK groups registered since Trump's inauguration? They're registering KKK groups now?  Wow!  What progress.  Maybe they could form a Union if they have enough branches.... I wonder how many NEW CELLS   the muslim terrorists organisations  has opened since London Bridge??... any ideas mothra?. Why are you trying to minimise white supremacy by constantly referencing Muslim terrorism? so another non answer..lol.. where have i minimised  white groups mothra.. you see I understand they are not good people.. and a lady was killed last week  by a car driven into a crowd by a NAZI ...about the same time   a Van was driven into a group of people in Barcelona where about 14 people were killed....by a muslim terrorist... I believe they are all worthy of mention.. dont you?.. : or would you rather not talk about that?. it all has an underline of racism about it.. dont you think?. I have talked about the terrorist attack in Barcelona, Cods. I condemned it utterly.  I didn't use it as a segue-way to hang poo on racists though. This thread is about the upswing in racism and how best to approach it. It's not like there are a shortqage of threads on Muslims, Cods. Most of them here, in fact. I would like to address the rise in racism. It concerns me greatly. I'm equally concerned about most of the comment on this thread and the thinking that went into their composition.

so you dont think these "groups" have anything to do with "racism"  because I do...

you mention groups called antifa.and nazi... whats the difference.?....

every thing has two sides to it mothra...

who the hell knows what racism is! how its defined...

I call someone thinking its ok to want to remove historical statues...only of white persons of course...racists...

they wouldnt dare remove a statue of Bennelong...and I wouldnt ask them too.....

yet some folks think its a.ok to smear anything to do with whitey...

I havent noticed any UPSWING as you call it...

I really believe Australia to be one of the good guys

mean things happen overseas   American against American   its sad.. but its not new..

Fuzzball wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:32pm:

So Mothball, are you saying that muslim terrorists and their supporters are not racist?

Race is irrelevant to their cause.

It is the entire point of the groups discussed in the OP.

Did you read the OP, Fireball?

Fuzzball wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:32pm:

So Mothball, are you saying that muslim terrorists and their supporters are not racist?

I think so....  :(

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:36pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:32pm: So Mothball, are you saying that muslim terrorists and their supporters are not racist? I think so....  :(

Think harder, Cods.

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:35pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:32pm: So Mothball, are you saying that muslim terrorists and their supporters are not racist? Race is irrelevant to their cause. It is the entire point of the groups discussed in the OP. Did you read the OP, Fireball?

no it isnt.....religion is their race....its how they think...they have taken over most of the Sudan....how! by forcing Islam down their throats.

join or get killed...your choice..

they want the world mothra   what could be more to do with race than that?.

capitosinora wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 9:27am:

rhino wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 9:26pm: capitosinora wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:06pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:16pm: Embrace racism. After all ' ...... chanted "Jews will not replace us" ...... ' do you WANT to be replaced by another culture ? Be a patriot. Be proud of your own culture and who you are. Know that mono-culture societies are better. To be proud of your own culture first you have to have a culture. You poor bubba, did an Aussie steal your girlfriend? Blah, blah, blah stop talking about something you don't know what it is. If you have intelligence and culture give us: 1. Definition of an Australian 2. Definition of Australian cultural identity. Australian cultural identity

Thats a stereotype. Sorta reminds me of Homer Simpson. The typical yank man isn't he? Pretty thick, a bit slow, wingy lazy fat person.

Aussie culture includes.
We love a beer.
We stick by our mates.
We dig in and help out where needed. Look at what happens after a flood. Unlike New Orleans for example our citys are back to normal thanks to our generosity. Not sitting and festering like a sh!thole. 
We take no crap from anyone.
We love to party.
We love our women.
We love our freedom.
We even help other countries with their nonsence wars and mostly outdo them.
We stick up for ourselves against dictation (look up Peter Lalor)
We stand by eachother.
We love football, meatpies, kangaroos and holden cars.
Our Aussie made industry was some of the best quality in the world. All that has turned to poo thanks to empires like wall street, multinationals and globalism.
We have the best beach life in the world.
Our outback is amazing.
We have world class fishing because we are protecting our waters from overseas parasites fishing it to extinction.
We protect our borders.
We give everyone a fair go.
We celebrate Christmas.
We celebrate Australia day.
We give like you wouldn't believe.
I can keep going but above and much more is what makes our culture.


Try to change that and you've got one pissed off nation.

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:35pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:32pm: So Mothball, are you saying that muslim terrorists and their supporters are not racist? Race is irrelevant to their cause. It is the entire point of the groups discussed in the OP. Did you read the OP, Fireball?

It's certainly not in your cause mothball........and yes it is relevant......we are the infidels, the unbelievers....... 

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:36pm:

cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:36pm: Fuzzball wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:32pm: So Mothball, are you saying that muslim terrorists and their supporters are not racist? I think so....  :( Think harder, Cods.

why...

you dont want to talk about muslims  in a racists thread..its pretty clear to me..


why mothra...no dont ask another question 

just explain  why we cant talk about muslim terrorists and racism in the same thread???...

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:35pm: Fuzzball wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:32pm: So Mothball, are you saying that muslim terrorists and their supporters are not racist? Race is irrelevant to their cause. It is the entire point of the groups discussed in the OP. Did you read the OP, Fireball? no it isnt.....religion is their race....its how they think...they have taken over most of the Sudan....how! by forcing Islam down their throats. join or get killed...your choice.. they want the world mothra   what could be more to do with race than that?.

I think the situation in Sudan is a little more complicated than that, Cods.

And the terrorist attack in Barcelona was not about race.

I don't understand why you are trying to sidetrack discussion on white supremacy with the tired old "but they're racists too".

People usually resort to such tactics to defend their own racism.

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

I think the situation in Sudan is a little more complicated than that

You really are a patronising pig mothball.......

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:42pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:36pm: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:36pm: Fuzzball wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:32pm: So Mothball, are you saying that muslim terrorists and their supporters are not racist? I think so....  :( Think harder, Cods. why... you dont want to talk about muslims  in a racists thread..its pretty clear to me.. why mothra...no dont ask another question  just explain  why we cant talk about muslim terrorists and racism in the same thread???...

I think the more interesting question is why you don't want to talk about white supremacy.

Your ridiculous argument about Islam being "their" race presents it's own problems and reveals much about you ... yet it is a distraction from what it seems to me, a goodly percentage of this forum don't want to talk about ... at least without getting defensive.

I find that very interesting.

Fuzzball wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:42pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:35pm: Fuzzball wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:32pm: So Mothball, are you saying that muslim terrorists and their supporters are not racist? Race is irrelevant to their cause. It is the entire point of the groups discussed in the OP. Did you read the OP, Fireball? It's certainly not in your cause mothball........and yes it is relevant......we are the infidels, the unbelievers.......

What does that have to do with race?

Could it be? Are Muslims a race all of a sudden?

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:48pm:

Could it be? Are Muslims a race all of a sudden?

99.9% are either Arabs or African, so yes........

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

People usually resort to such tactics to defend their own racism

ouch! nasty....you are now calling me a racist?..YES!

so what was the terrorist attack in barcelona about then mothra...

whos sidetracking.....tell me mothra how many NAZI white supremacy members are in our jails   for terrorism in our country..

my main concern is this country..   and I dont see were we have this increase in [your idea of]"racism "here  thats all

Fuzzball wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:50pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:48pm: Could it be? Are Muslims a race all of a sudden? 99.9% are either Arabs or African, so yes........

Oh. Rightio. You may want to pass that information on to the forum's Islamophobes. They disagree strongly.

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:51pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:43pm: People usually resort to such tactics to defend their own racism ouch! nasty....you are now calling me a racist?..YES! so what was the terrorist attack in barcelona about then mothra... whos sidetracking.....tell me mothra how many NAZI white supremacy members are in our jails   for terrorism in our country.. my main concern is this country..   and I dont see were we have this increase in [your idea of]"racism "here  thats all

I didn't call you a racist, Cods. Although i think you are .. mostly out of ignorance than anything mean-spirited though.

Race was irrelevant in Barcelona. They didn't care who they killed.

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:46pm:

cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:42pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:36pm: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:36pm: Fuzzball wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:32pm: So Mothball, are you saying that muslim terrorists and their supporters are not racist? I think so....  :( Think harder, Cods. why... you dont want to talk about muslims  in a racists thread..its pretty clear to me.. why mothra...no dont ask another question  just explain  why we cant talk about muslim terrorists and racism in the same thread???... I think the more interesting question is why you don't want to talk about white supremacy. Your ridiculous argument about Islam being "their" race presents it's own problems and reveals much about you ... yet it is a distraction from what it seems to me, a goodly percentage of this forum don't want to talk about ... at least without getting defensive. I find that very interesting.

your the one getting defensive did I suggest you were a racists because you dont agree with me??????..

Islam pet is a way of life....its the way muslims view their world..

a bit  like you actually   its their way or its no way.. :)

the extreme groups do not accept anyone elses opinion ....

now its your turn to think about it..

you have probably been brain washed by the articles you subscribe too...

as you have probably found I dont go along with the mob view...mainly because I take a look at both sides..

you kid yourself you do.. but !

I will say no more because you are starting to sink to the level of not nice...my thoughts ridiculous   of course they are.... ::)

Quote:

the extreme groups do not accept anyone elses opinion ....

Which extreme group do you belong to, pet......as you certainly never accept anyone else's opinion....not ever!

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:57pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:46pm: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:42pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:36pm: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:36pm: Fuzzball wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:32pm: So Mothball, are you saying that muslim terrorists and their supporters are not racist? I think so....  :( Think harder, Cods. why... you dont want to talk about muslims  in a racists thread..its pretty clear to me.. why mothra...no dont ask another question  just explain  why we cant talk about muslim terrorists and racism in the same thread???... I think the more interesting question is why you don't want to talk about white supremacy. Your ridiculous argument about Islam being "their" race presents it's own problems and reveals much about you ... yet it is a distraction from what it seems to me, a goodly percentage of this forum don't want to talk about ... at least without getting defensive. I find that very interesting. your the one getting defensive did I suggest you were a racists because you dont agree with me??????.. Islam pet is a way of life....its the way muslims view their world.. a bit  like you actually   its their way or its no way.. :) the extreme groups do not accept anyone elses opinion .... now its your turn to think about it.. you have probably been brain washed by the articles you subscribe too... as you have probably found I dont go along with the mob view...mainly because I take a look at both sides.. you kid yourself you do.. but ! I will say no more because you are starting to sink to the level of not nice...my thoughts ridiculous   of course they are.... ::)

Of all of the utter rubbish in that thread i will only say, i do not think you are in any position to be speaking for how Muslims feel. You have a very limited understanding of what that is. The first thing you need to understand is that they don't all think the same.

Aussie wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:00pm:

Quote: the extreme groups do not accept anyone elses opinion .... Which extreme group do you belong to, pet......as you certainly never accept anyone else's opinion....not ever!

Yet she never fails to level that at me. Never.

Aussie wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:00pm:

Quote: the extreme groups do not accept anyone elses opinion .... Which extreme group do you belong to, pet......as you certainly never accept anyone else's opinion....not ever!

ouch  ;D ;D ;D

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 1:56pm:

cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:51pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:43pm: People usually resort to such tactics to defend their own racism ouch! nasty....you are now calling me a racist?..YES! so what was the terrorist attack in barcelona about then mothra... whos sidetracking.....tell me mothra how many NAZI white supremacy members are in our jails   for terrorism in our country.. my main concern is this country..   and I dont see were we have this increase in [your idea of]"racism "here  thats all I didn't call you a racist, Cods. Although i think you are .. mostly out of ignorance than anything mean-spirited though. Race was irrelevant in Barcelona. They didn't care who they killed.

so why do it?.... they were going to blow it all up including themselves..

WHY WHY ........they have to have had a reason...

the guy who drove into the crowd in Charlottsville  was an accident waiting to happen  he is mentally challenged......

.what was it with Barcelona?....

.what was it on London Bridge...twice..

Finsbury park London..
 
Stockholm...Sweden...

this in just the last few months....


do you think the guy in Charlottesville cared who he killed.??.....

does that make what someone does  sort of different in some way? :(

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:00pm: Quote: the extreme groups do not accept anyone elses opinion .... Which extreme group do you belong to, pet......as you certainly never accept anyone else's opinion....not ever! Yet she never fails to level that at me. Never.

ahhh "she'   never does... really.... ;D ;D ;D

good old aussie   comes in right at the end   and attacks the poster once again....never fails does he?>.

so bwave..

hey you havent called me an islamphobe yet... are you saving that for later.

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:13pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:56pm: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:51pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:43pm: People usually resort to such tactics to defend their own racism ouch! nasty....you are now calling me a racist?..YES! so what was the terrorist attack in barcelona about then mothra... whos sidetracking.....tell me mothra how many NAZI white supremacy members are in our jails   for terrorism in our country.. my main concern is this country..   and I dont see were we have this increase in [your idea of]"racism "here  thats all I didn't call you a racist, Cods. Although i think you are .. mostly out of ignorance than anything mean-spirited though. Race was irrelevant in Barcelona. They didn't care who they killed. so why do it?.... they were going to blow it all up including themselves.. WHY WHY ........they have to have had a reason... the guy who drove into the crowd in Charlottsville  was an accident waiting to happen  he is mentally challenged...... .what was it with Barcelona?.... .what was it on London Bridge...twice.. Finsbury park London..   Stockholm...Sweden... this in just the last few months.... do you think the guy in Charlottesville cared who he killed.??..... does that make what someone does  sort of different in some way? :(

Why focus on attacks by Muslims and not all of the killings by the alt-right?

You mention one, passing it off as an accident waiting to happen pretty much and citing probable mental illness .. yet rattle off a fer Islamist ones .. even those known to have been perpetrated by people who are mentally ill.

You keep wanting to swing the conversation to being about Muslims. Either Islam is a race or it isn't. You can't have it both ways.

John Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:00pm: Quote: the extreme groups do not accept anyone elses opinion .... Which extreme group do you belong to, pet......as you certainly never accept anyone else's opinion....not ever! ouch  ;D ;D ;D

did that hurt you ... wow aussie beware you have trodden on diddums toes  ..

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:08pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:00pm: Quote: the extreme groups do not accept anyone elses opinion .... Which extreme group do you belong to, pet......as you certainly never accept anyone else's opinion....not ever! ouch  ;D ;D ;D did that hurt you ... wow aussie beware you have trodden on diddums toes  ..

yes, my sides hurt from laughing so much  ;D ;D ;D ;D

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:18pm:

cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:13pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:56pm: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:51pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:43pm: People usually resort to such tactics to defend their own racism ouch! nasty....you are now calling me a racist?..YES! so what was the terrorist attack in barcelona about then mothra... whos sidetracking.....tell me mothra how many NAZI white supremacy members are in our jails   for terrorism in our country.. my main concern is this country..   and I dont see were we have this increase in [your idea of]"racism "here  thats all I didn't call you a racist, Cods. Although i think you are .. mostly out of ignorance than anything mean-spirited though. Race was irrelevant in Barcelona. They didn't care who they killed. so why do it?.... they were going to blow it all up including themselves.. WHY WHY ........they have to have had a reason... the guy who drove into the crowd in Charlottsville  was an accident waiting to happen  he is mentally challenged...... .what was it with Barcelona?.... .what was it on London Bridge...twice.. Finsbury park London..   Stockholm...Sweden... this in just the last few months.... do you think the guy in Charlottesville cared who he killed.??..... does that make what someone does  sort of different in some way? :( Why focus on attacks by Muslims and not all of the killings by the alt-right? I HAVE,.. JUST LIKE YOU HAVE MENTIONED ISIS You mention one, passing it off as an accident waiting to happen pretty much and citing probable mental illness .. yet rattle off a fer Islamist ones .. even those known to have been perpetrated by people who are mentally ill. THIS WAS ABOUT THAT ONE DEATH IN CHARLOTTESVILLE.....AND YES PET   ONE WAS KILLED......14 IN BARCELONA ALL AROUND THE SAME TIME...what are you complaining about? You keep wanting to swing the conversation to being about Muslims. Either Islam is a race or it isn't. You can't have it both ways.

what?...you dont get it   I can say the same about you....you only start threads that are about white racists/terrorists....I have never seen you make one about Muslim racists/terrorists...

I dont see what the difference is...


ok.. yes there was a terrible crime committed in Charlottesville and extreme right gangster drove a car into a crowd and killed a young women...terrible..

is that what you want to read??>.. does it make it stop?...is it only one side of the BIG picture...

ooops thats right lets not mention the BIG picture..

alright mothra I will leave you and your pets to it...

I am sure only you can  stop all this racism .

you sure dont want to hear anyone elses point of views...I am cool with that..

a few islamic ones...seriously!

John Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:18pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:08pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:00pm: Quote: the extreme groups do not accept anyone elses opinion .... Which extreme group do you belong to, pet......as you certainly never accept anyone else's opinion....not ever! ouch  ;D ;D ;D did that hurt you ... wow aussie beware you have trodden on diddums toes  .. yes, my sides hurt from laughing so much  ;D ;D ;D ;D

aussie wont be too hard on you... dont worry he saves his best for me..

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:26pm: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:18pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:08pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:00pm: Quote: the extreme groups do not accept anyone elses opinion .... Which extreme group do you belong to, pet......as you certainly never accept anyone else's opinion....not ever! ouch  ;D ;D ;D did that hurt you ... wow aussie beware you have trodden on diddums toes  .. yes, my sides hurt from laughing so much  ;D ;D ;D ;D aussie wont be too hard on you... dont worry he saves his best for me..

aussies rebukes are about as effective as yours .....

my farts hold more punch than either of you.

John Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:30pm:

cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:27pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:26pm: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:18pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:08pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:00pm: Quote: the extreme groups do not accept anyone elses opinion .... Which extreme group do you belong to, pet......as you certainly never accept anyone else's opinion....not ever! ouch  ;D ;D ;D did that hurt you ... wow aussie beware you have trodden on diddums toes  .. yes, my sides hurt from laughing so much  ;D ;D ;D ;D aussie wont be too hard on you... dont worry he saves his best for me.. aussies rebukes are about as effective as yours ..... my farts hold more punch than either of you.

Maybe you need a colonoscopy just to be on the safe side Jack......

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 12:48pm:

capitosinora wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 9:27am: rhino wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 9:26pm: capitosinora wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:06pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:16pm: Embrace racism. After all ' ...... chanted "Jews will not replace us" ...... ' do you WANT to be replaced by another culture ? Be a patriot. Be proud of your own culture and who you are. Know that mono-culture societies are better. To be proud of your own culture first you have to have a culture. You poor bubba, did an Aussie steal your girlfriend? Blah, blah, blah stop talking about something you don't know what it is. If you have intelligence and culture give us: 1. Definition of an Australian 2. Definition of Australian cultural identity. Australian cultural identity http://theme-me.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/yobbo-man-costume-lying-down-beer-remotejpg.jpg So wait one - by the same standards - no other nation has a culture, either, since each is made of of many disparate groups, not all acting the same.... You do realise now that your premise has zero floor under it, don't you?

As a British colony you are special case because you don't have developed your own cultural and national identity.

Fuzzball wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:30pm: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:27pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:26pm: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:18pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:08pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:00pm: Quote: the extreme groups do not accept anyone elses opinion .... Which extreme group do you belong to, pet......as you certainly never accept anyone else's opinion....not ever! ouch  ;D ;D ;D did that hurt you ... wow aussie beware you have trodden on diddums toes  .. yes, my sides hurt from laughing so much  ;D ;D ;D ;D aussie wont be too hard on you... dont worry he saves his best for me.. aussies rebukes are about as effective as yours ..... my farts hold more punch than either of you. Maybe you need a colonoscopy just to be on the safe side Jack......

did someone tell you this was a gay pickup site? they were mistaken, you'll need to go elsewhere


alternatively, you can send bobby a PM

John Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:41pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:30pm: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:27pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:26pm: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:18pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:08pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:00pm: Quote: the extreme groups do not accept anyone elses opinion .... Which extreme group do you belong to, pet......as you certainly never accept anyone else's opinion....not ever! ouch  ;D ;D ;D did that hurt you ... wow aussie beware you have trodden on diddums toes  .. yes, my sides hurt from laughing so much  ;D ;D ;D ;D aussie wont be too hard on you... dont worry he saves his best for me.. aussies rebukes are about as effective as yours ..... my farts hold more punch than either of you. Maybe you need a colonoscopy just to be on the safe side Jack...... did someone tell you this was a gay pickup site? they were mistaken, you'll need to go elsewhere alternatively, you can send bobby a PM

Nah....he's too busy reading your's Jack....... ;D

Fuzzball wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:44pm: Fuzzball wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:41pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:30pm: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:27pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:26pm: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:18pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:08pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:00pm: Quote: the extreme groups do not accept anyone elses opinion .... Which extreme group do you belong to, pet......as you certainly never accept anyone else's opinion....not ever! ouch  ;D ;D ;D did that hurt you ... wow aussie beware you have trodden on diddums toes  .. yes, my sides hurt from laughing so much  ;D ;D ;D ;D aussie wont be too hard on you... dont worry he saves his best for me.. aussies rebukes are about as effective as yours ..... my farts hold more punch than either of you. Maybe you need a colonoscopy just to be on the safe side Jack...... did someone tell you this was a gay pickup site? they were mistaken, you'll need to go elsewhere alternatively, you can send bobby a PM Nah....he's too busy reading your's Jack....... ;D

your information is wrong

Seriously, you should write him, he has no standards

John Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:30pm:

cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:27pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:26pm: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:18pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:08pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:00pm: Quote: the extreme groups do not accept anyone elses opinion .... Which extreme group do you belong to, pet......as you certainly never accept anyone else's opinion....not ever! ouch  ;D ;D ;D did that hurt you ... wow aussie beware you have trodden on diddums toes  .. yes, my sides hurt from laughing so much  ;D ;D ;D ;D aussie wont be too hard on you... dont worry he saves his best for me.. aussies rebukes are about as effective as yours ..... my farts hold more punch than either of you.

UGH! now I know why I usually steer clear..ugh! give me aussie any time..

Racial tensions are at a high. Are we on the verge of another Cronulla?
Rachael Jacobs
As a woman of colour in Australia my life is punctuated by insults and verbal abuse. In Charlottesville we were reminded how easily hateful words can turn into hateful actions

I’ve had nightmares all week.

This is not unusual. I dream wildly and vividly. But last week my social media feed was full of violence and hatred, bringing the night demons out to play.

I’m talking about posts and footage from Charlottesville. Scenes of white supremacists marching and organising, hateful slogans roared with flames in hand, even footage from the dreadful murder scene has been clogging my Facebook feed for days. All shared with no content or trigger warning.

Adding to that, I’m bombarded by interviews with Nazis, insights from KKK headquarters and a pundit’s deciphering of hate speech. It’s all scary stuff.

But it’s not new. The far right has always scared me. As an activist, I’m constantly at rallies, demonstrations and marches of causes I hold dear. But as a woman of colour, there’s no possible way I would ever attend a counter-protest of the far right. I have always feared their blind hatred would turn violent, and at Charlottesville, this tragically turned out to be the case.

My fear isn’t limited to their ideas, the public display of hatred or the direction in which they’re pulling our country. I am concerned for my physical safety.

Life as a woman of colour in Australia is punctuated by insults, verbal abuse and shouts of “go back to where you came from”. After a while you can read the tone of the hatred and know there is no logic or reason. It’s done by completely irrational people that, given the right circumstances, might lash out. At a young age, you learn when to fight back and when to sit silent. The threat of physical violence is ever-present.

For us, the goal is not always about justice or standing up against racism. Sometimes our actions are about staying alive.

This defies everything I know about creating social change – show love, bring people closer, break down barriers. In this instance, I cannot live the values I espouse.

It’s a strange feeling, being hated for absolutely no reason. It’s a sickening awareness that makes your nerves raw and puts you on edge. For this reason, I have no interest in seeing inside the KKK, finding out what fuels Nazis or hearing ideas of seriously disturbed individuals with abhorrent values. I know what they stand for and it’s plain wrong. I have no perverse fascination to hear more.

And for me, it’s not as bad as it could be. I’m writing from a position of privilege. I wear western clothes, I speak English, I have an Australian accent. My real fear is for all those who don’t have these safety nets. For them, this is a frightening time.

Pauline Hanson chose a hell of a week to don a burqa in the Australian parliament, ridiculing an already tormented minority who are on edge at world events. There are evidently no barriers to her shameless stunts, and she will get a poll bump as a result. The far right is alive and well in Australia.

If you think Charlottesville can’t happen in Australia, think again. Two years ago, on the 10-year anniversary of the Cronulla riots, one of the violent offenders said he was “not ashamed” of the stance he took.

Our parliament recently had a long, drawn-out debate about the appropriateness of hate speech in society. Led by senator George Brandis, we were told that people have the right to be bigots.

Last month the Islamophobia in Australia report revealed what many of us already know. That racist attacks against Muslims are rife, and women are most often the target of physical and verbal abuse.

Looking at the whole picture, it seems to me we’re on the edge of another Cronulla.

Racial tensions are at a high, being actively fuelled by leaders like Hanson and Donald Trump who make hate permissible.

In Charlottesville, we saw how easily hateful words can turn into hateful actions, dividing the community and tearing the fabric of society.

I cannot go to protests against racism due to the heightened tensions that are too real and visible to people of colour. I do, however, thank those who fight back, not just on my behalf but for all Australians. For the sickness that is hate and racism makes us all ill.

White people – do your part, because this is not something that happens to “someone else”. Society and the integrity of your community is at stake. In the words of this week’s murdered warrior, Heather Heyer: “If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/23/racial-tensions-are-at-a-high-are-we-on-the-verge-of-another-cronulla?CMP=soc_567

So more and more pages and still no proof...
Go Mothballs.

Grendel wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 9:16am:

What Global Upswing? You have to be kidding mothballs. :D

Mothballs...

"White Supremacy" and "Muslim Supremacy"?
What don't you understand about them.
One is a flawed ideology based on racism.
The other is an all encompassing religious zeal to conquer the world.
Your stats?
back em up with some real evidence.
You claimed a global upswing yet you keep posting US figures only.
Hate to tell you, but you come off sounding like most Yanks, but the US is not the world.

BTW there are racists all over the planet deary.  Luckily they do not form anywhere near a majority.  You have more to fear from Muslim Fundamentalists. ::)

why would a lecturer at a University receive hate  type of mail..??

do you think this could in anyway have anything to do with it.


Quote:

As an activist, I’m constantly at rallies, demonstrations and marches of causes I hold dear.

as an activist   it would be normal...I would think!

   facebook   oh gawd....close it down or block...

its the age we live in... fast contact its what the computer is about and yes sadly its abused...

  you put your name out there...it will happen .. why hasnt someone told her?...it is a violent world.

lucky for her its only words....no cars or trucks involved...

as for Cronulla they have been saying that for 10 years...

and guess what mothra before you start   there were at least two sides there.

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 3:11pm:

Racial tensions are at a high. Are we on the verge of another Cronulla? Rachael Jacobs As a woman of colour in Australia my life is punctuated by insults and verbal abuse. In Charlottesville we were reminded how easily hateful words can turn into hateful actions I’ve had nightmares all week. This is not unusual. I dream wildly and vividly. But last week my social media feed was full of violence and hatred, bringing the night demons out to play. I’m talking about posts and footage from Charlottesville. Scenes of white supremacists marching and organising, hateful slogans roared with flames in hand, even footage from the dreadful murder scene has been clogging my Facebook feed for days. All shared with no content or trigger warning. Adding to that, I’m bombarded by interviews with Nazis, insights from KKK headquarters and a pundit’s deciphering of hate speech. It’s all scary stuff. But it’s not new. The far right has always scared me. As an activist, I’m constantly at rallies, demonstrations and marches of causes I hold dear. But as a woman of colour, there’s no possible way I would ever attend a counter-protest of the far right. I have always feared their blind hatred would turn violent, and at Charlottesville, this tragically turned out to be the case. My fear isn’t limited to their ideas, the public display of hatred or the direction in which they’re pulling our country. I am concerned for my physical safety. Life as a woman of colour in Australia is punctuated by insults, verbal abuse and shouts of “go back to where you came from”. After a while you can read the tone of the hatred and know there is no logic or reason. It’s done by completely irrational people that, given the right circumstances, might lash out. At a young age, you learn when to fight back and when to sit silent. The threat of physical violence is ever-present. For us, the goal is not always about justice or standing up against racism. Sometimes our actions are about staying alive. This defies everything I know about creating social change – show love, bring people closer, break down barriers. In this instance, I cannot live the values I espouse. It’s a strange feeling, being hated for absolutely no reason. It’s a sickening awareness that makes your nerves raw and puts you on edge. For this reason, I have no interest in seeing inside the KKK, finding out what fuels Nazis or hearing ideas of seriously disturbed individuals with abhorrent values. I know what they stand for and it’s plain wrong. I have no perverse fascination to hear more. And for me, it’s not as bad as it could be. I’m writing from a position of privilege. I wear western clothes, I speak English, I have an Australian accent. My real fear is for all those who don’t have these safety nets. For them, this is a frightening time. Pauline Hanson chose a hell of a week to don a burqa in the Australian parliament, ridiculing an already tormented minority who are on edge at world events. There are evidently no barriers to her shameless stunts, and she will get a poll bump as a result. The far right is alive and well in Australia. If you think Charlottesville can’t happen in Australia, think again. Two years ago, on the 10-year anniversary of the Cronulla riots, one of the violent offenders said he was “not ashamed” of the stance he took. Our parliament recently had a long, drawn-out debate about the appropriateness of hate speech in society. Led by senator George Brandis, we were told that people have the right to be bigots. Last month the Islamophobia in Australia report revealed what many of us already know. That racist attacks against Muslims are rife, and women are most often the target of physical and verbal abuse. Looking at the whole picture, it seems to me we’re on the edge of another Cronulla. Racial tensions are at a high, being actively fuelled by leaders like Hanson and Donald Trump who make hate permissible. In Charlottesville, we saw how easily hateful words can turn into hateful actions, dividing the community and tearing the fabric of society. I cannot go to protests against racism due to the heightened tensions that are too real and visible to people of colour. I do, however, thank those who fight back, not just on my behalf but for all Australians. For the sickness that is hate and racism makes us all ill. White people – do your part, because this is not something that happens to “someone else”. Society and the integrity of your community is at stake. In the words of this week’s murdered warrior, Heather Heyer: “If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention.” https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/23/racial-tensions-are-at-a-high-are-we-on-the-verge-of-another-cronulla?CMP=soc_567

"
This is not unusual. I dream wildly and vividly."

That pretty much says it, methinks... welcome to my world, honey....

'murdered warrior'?  You mean she 'fell in battle'?  why was she battling then?  them's the breaks honey... (again with the lauding of the se;lf-proclaimed 'correct' side' and the vilification of the 'other' side.... bloody candle lighting at the statue of The Ginneral bastards that they are...

More hyperbole and refusal to address issues rather than persons...

Yes of course Grap. They just lit some candles about some statues. That's all they did.

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:27pm: Are you asking me whether I can disprove BS faster than you can make it up? What are you basing your rejection of the statistics on? Your gut?

Your inability to back them up. You said something stupid. You back it up. I cannot disprove something that does not exist in the first place, and it is only your irrational rejection of basic logic that leads you to make such an idiotic demand in the first place.

mothra if the word of these protesters doesnt change anything..

what do you think  can we do about it?..

I often wonder if those who complain about what is said to them on "facebook"  what they say in return...or what they have said to draw that type of attention....I dont do facebook much so would have no idea to what purpose it is used... but I would think attacking others  was pretty obvious....in which case I would avoid it for sure.

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 12:27pm:

Are you asking me whether I can disprove BS faster than you can make it up?

How do you know if it is bullshit if you haven't proven it?

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:55pm: freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:27pm: Are you asking me whether I can disprove BS faster than you can make it up? What are you basing your rejection of the statistics on? Your gut? Your inability to back them up. You said something stupid. You back it up. I cannot disprove something that does not exist in the first place, and it is only your irrational rejection of basic logic that leads you to make such an idiotic demand in the first place.

What did i say that was stupid, FD? Did you read the OP or are you just having a little reaction to the thread title?

It's an established fact that alt-right activity and terrorism is on the rise across the globe. Are you actually arguing that that is not racist?

You probably are. This'll be good.

John Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 5:01pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:27pm: Are you asking me whether I can disprove BS faster than you can make it up? How do you know if it is bullshit if you haven't proven it?

Oh great. John is back in imbecile mode. How long before you refuse to answer any questions John?


mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 5:02pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 4:51pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:55pm: freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:27pm: Are you asking me whether I can disprove BS faster than you can make it up? What are you basing your rejection of the statistics on? Your gut? Your inability to back them up. You said something stupid. You back it up. I cannot disprove something that does not exist in the first place, and it is only your irrational rejection of basic logic that leads you to make such an idiotic demand in the first place. What did i say that was stupid, FD? Did you read the OP or are you just having a little reaction to the thread title? It's an established fact that alt-right activity and terrorism is on the rise across the globe. Are you actually arguing that that is not racist? You probably are. This'll be good.

If it is an established fact, you won't have any trouble backing up what you said, will you? Until then you are just playing the proverbial idiot who says something stupid then demands others disprove it.

Abolish races?  Any adherence to a racial group means instant deportation?

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 4:50pm:

Yes of course Grap. They just lit some candles about some statues. That's all they did.

Then they held an approved protest march.......

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 5:03pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 4:50pm: Yes of course Grap. They just lit some candles about some statues. That's all they did. Then they held an approved protest march.......

Ah. Lovely.

Delusional .. but lovely.

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 5:02pm:

Oh great. John is back in imbecile mode. How long before you refuse to answer any questions John?

Only one imbecile here FD, I'll give you two guesses as to who that is? I've answered everything you asked however I'm not interested in your ask the same thing 100 times game, it gets tedious.

now, back to the comment, you didn't question Mothras comment, you called it BS. That's a definite conclusion about the comment.
How do you know it was bullshit if you haven't proven it one way or the other?

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 5:06pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:03pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 4:50pm: Yes of course Grap. They just lit some candles about some statues. That's all they did. Then they held an approved protest march....... Ah. Lovely. Delusional .. but lovely.

http://6abc.com/a-timeline-of-events-in-charlottesville-virginia/2305769/

Timeline - read it and weep - NO trouble until the anti-protestors arrived, loaded for bear, an hour or more before the scheduled protest march.

It ain't me that's delusional, honey - and we are NOT having that kind of nonsense happen here over Captain Cook or whoever statues...

You 'all want your freedom park?  Go fund it yourselves... plant a statue to whoever in that park down Redfun way, plenny o' room dere...

Bwian et al have been saying that there is no such thing as race. So you couldn't  be racist because races don't  exist.
But now it's  all about racism.

Is there such a thing as as race or not? How can you tell one race from another?

Whats the current truth, the PC line?

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 11:52am:

How to respond to the worldwide upswing in racism Where does hatred come from? And how must we respond? These are questions many have been asking during the past week. It's not only Americans who are rattled by the violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, and by President Donald Trump's failure to unequivocally condemn white supremacists. Around the world, there are clear signs that the old evil of bigotry has returned in full force. Liberal democracy everywhere is under challenge. Far-right populist movements are growing in support, seizing upon disillusionment with established politics. They are fuelling xenophobia and racism. Australia isn't immune from this. There are signs that organised racism and bigotry have been emboldened. In recent weeks a number of universities and schools have been smeared with white supremacist propaganda targeting groups including Jews, Muslims and Asians. The tone of public debate has also deteriorated. While Parliament has its theatrical moments, Pauline Hanson's burqa stunt in the Senate went into new pantomime territory. Dick Smith last week launched an advertisement about slashing immigration, in which he predicts war and collapse while clutching a pitchfork. Amid all this, there have been some brighter moments. Attorney-General George Brandis delivered a powerful rebuke of Senator Hanson. In the US, former presidents Bush, Clinton and Obama were forthright in rejecting hatred and violence. But it was Barack Obama's response that has proved most memorable. Quoting Nelson Mandela, Obama wrote on Twitter: "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love. For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." It is true that hatred isn't innate to humanity. Racists aren't born racist. Bigots have to learn to become bigots. And it's equally true that hatred can be overcome through goodwill. Yet getting to that point isn't easy. It has become harder, for instance, to see racism and bigotry for what they clearly are. Today's far-right expressions of hatred have been cloaked with a new respectability. White supremacist and neo-Nazi elements have been savvy in rebranding themselves as "alt-right". White pride is justified as cultural self-determination, concealing how its adherents believe in racial purity and hierarchy. It can be enough to convince people of a novelty to the "alt-right", when it is just far-right racism by another name. There can also be a misguided even-handedness on race and bigotry. People can think there are "many sides" to hatred and violence, as Trump said in his response to Charlottesville. In much of the reporting about anti-Islam movements here, anti-racism groups are put on a par with the self-styled "patriots" who target Muslim Australians. But, in the big picture, there aren't morally equivalent sides to racism and anti-racism. On one side are those such as the white supremacists in Charlottesville who chanted "Jews will not replace us". Those who oppose them are on the side of justice and equality. Still, where to draw the line on racism can be a source of confusion. Some say we mustn't equate racially offensive speech with the more serious category of racial physical violence. There is a distinction to be drawn between speech and action. Such a view, however, ignores how speech is itself an act, with real consequences. And it ignores how racially charged speech can quickly escalate. Extreme racism doesn't always begin as extreme racism. Sometimes it evolves from something more seemingly benign. The cumulative effect of low-level racism, when left unchallenged, is it makes more serious forms of it possible. Violent speech and violent action are connected. It was racist hate speech that was the prelude to the Rwandan genocide of the 1990s, just as anti-Semitic propaganda paved the way for Nazis to carry out the Holocaust. So how we characterise racism matters. It can be convenient to believe racism is simply a product of ignorance. And assuring to think a resurgence of far-right nationalism has come from economic anxiety, rather than anything more visceral. The reality is that racism's return also reflects a public debate where there is more accommodation of bigotry. Our multicultural society faces a paradox. For all our success on race relations in recent decades, some believe it is acceptable again to vent racial hostility openly. Recent events in the US show us that leadership matters. When licence is given to bigotry, we can't be surprised to find that it flourishes. Hatred may not always begin with politics, but politics can bequeath hatred. As for how we must respond, in one sense it is simple. Our society mustn't give ground to far-right extremism, and our leaders mustn't pander to people's fears. It is not enough to be non-racist; we must also be anti-racist. http://www.smh.com.au/comment/how-to-respond-to-the-worldwide-upswing-in-racism-20170822-gy1cyt.html

You lefty clowns pushed identity politics to become mainstream now you're reaping what you've sown.

Funny how there was never really a problem before the CULT started infecting every country it shites in.

Yeah, there were some bits of racial tension, little in Australia, but just the presence of this CULT seems too create disharmony and hatred.

This islamic CULT is as toxic and infectious as ebola, without any positive side.

Get rid of the muzzos, and watch as racial intolerance drifts back to a much lower level.

And this CULT isnt even a race, its a CULT that plays the race card to gain advantage.

Get rid of the muzzo cult

Oh and as for Cook...  he did discover "Australia" in 1770, that is a historical fact no need to amend or change anything.

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 5:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:01pm: freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:27pm: Are you asking me whether I can disprove BS faster than you can make it up? How do you know if it is bullshit if you haven't proven it? Oh great. John is back in imbecile mode. How long before you refuse to answer any questions John? mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:02pm: freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 4:51pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:55pm: freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:27pm: Are you asking me whether I can disprove BS faster than you can make it up? What are you basing your rejection of the statistics on? Your gut? Your inability to back them up. You said something stupid. You back it up. I cannot disprove something that does not exist in the first place, and it is only your irrational rejection of basic logic that leads you to make such an idiotic demand in the first place. What did i say that was stupid, FD? Did you read the OP or are you just having a little reaction to the thread title? It's an established fact that alt-right activity and terrorism is on the rise across the globe. Are you actually arguing that that is not racist? You probably are. This'll be good. If it is an established fact, you won't have any trouble backing up what you said, will you? Until then you are just playing the proverbial idiot who says something stupid then demands others disprove it.

A simple google would have sorted you. It literally overflows with evidence ... but:


http://www.cipadh.org/fr/node/959

http://globalnews.ca/news/3670776/white-nationalist-groups-canada-on-the-rise/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/feature/racism-white-supremacy

http://www.theglobepost.com/2017/08/15/white-supremacy-culture-war/

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-there-a-revival-or-rise-of-White-Supremacy-Nationalism-in-the-USA

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2017/02/15/hate-groups-increase-second-consecutive-year-trump-electrifies-radical-right

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/02/in-europe-nationalisms-rising/

http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/the-rise-of-the-far-right/7858282

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/the-prowhite-gangs-spreading-race-hate-across-australia/news-story/7384aef1faabe901d9f6937756a76ea8


Need more? There's plenty.

Get rid of all non-assimmilative racial and ethnic groups?

Ein Reich etc?

LOL
Mothballs got anything based in reality about Australia or anywhere but the US?  Hmmmm
As for your LW Prog media links....  puhlease...  they are simply pushing their agenda as perusual.

mothra wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:30pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:02pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:01pm: freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:27pm: Are you asking me whether I can disprove BS faster than you can make it up? How do you know if it is bullshit if you haven't proven it? Oh great. John is back in imbecile mode. How long before you refuse to answer any questions John? mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:02pm: freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 4:51pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:55pm: freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:27pm: Are you asking me whether I can disprove BS faster than you can make it up? What are you basing your rejection of the statistics on? Your gut? Your inability to back them up. You said something stupid. You back it up. I cannot disprove something that does not exist in the first place, and it is only your irrational rejection of basic logic that leads you to make such an idiotic demand in the first place. What did i say that was stupid, FD? Did you read the OP or are you just having a little reaction to the thread title? It's an established fact that alt-right activity and terrorism is on the rise across the globe. Are you actually arguing that that is not racist? You probably are. This'll be good. If it is an established fact, you won't have any trouble backing up what you said, will you? Until then you are just playing the proverbial idiot who says something stupid then demands others disprove it. A simple google would have sorted you. It literally overflows with evidence ... but: http://www.cipadh.org/fr/node/959 http://globalnews.ca/news/3670776/white-nationalist-groups-canada-on-the-rise/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/feature/racism-white-supremacy http://www.theglobepost.com/2017/08/15/white-supremacy-culture-war/ https://www.quora.com/Why-is-there-a-revival-or-rise-of-White-Supremacy-Nationalism-in-the-USA https://www.splcenter.org/news/2017/02/15/hate-groups-increase-second-consecutive-year-trump-electrifies-radical-right http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/02/in-europe-nationalisms-rising/ http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/the-rise-of-the-far-right/7858282 http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/the-prowhite-gangs-spreading-race-hate-across-australia/news-story/7384aef1faabe901d9f6937756a76ea8 Need more? There's plenty.

Do any of them verify the claim you made? You seem to be having an awful lot of trouble with such a simple concept.

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 12:06pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:02pm: mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:45pm: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:39pm: I would start by proving the upswing exists. But you are welcome to leap straight to the hysterical reaction bit. You're unaware? Well, for a start there has been a 17% increase in hate groups in the last year in the US alone. Ah statistics, when regular lies are just not good enough. You know they are wrong? Interesting. Care to prove it? And that there aren't at least 10 new KKK groups registered since Trump's inauguration?

Mothra, can you back this up? Do you realise how silly you look when you ask someone to disprove the crap you make up?

https://youtu.be/mLRjFWDGs1g?t=2

Grendel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

LOL Mothballs got anything based in reality about Australia or anywhere but the US?  Hmmmm As for your LW Prog media links....  puhlease...  they are simply pushing their agenda as per usual.

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 11:52am:

How to respond to the worldwide upswing in racism Where does hatred come from? And how must we respond? These are questions many have been asking during the past week. It's not only Americans who are rattled by the violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, and by President Donald Trump's failure to unequivocally condemn white supremacists. Around the world, there are clear signs that the old evil of bigotry has returned in full force. Liberal democracy everywhere is under challenge. Far-right populist movements are growing in support, seizing upon disillusionment with established politics. They are fuelling xenophobia and racism. Australia isn't immune from this. There are signs that organised racism and bigotry have been emboldened. In recent weeks a number of universities and schools have been smeared with white supremacist propaganda targeting groups including Jews, Muslims and Asians. The tone of public debate has also deteriorated. While Parliament has its theatrical moments, Pauline Hanson's burqa stunt in the Senate went into new pantomime territory. Dick Smith last week launched an advertisement about slashing immigration, in which he predicts war and collapse while clutching a pitchfork. Amid all this, there have been some brighter moments. Attorney-General George Brandis delivered a powerful rebuke of Senator Hanson. In the US, former presidents Bush, Clinton and Obama were forthright in rejecting hatred and violence. But it was Barack Obama's response that has proved most memorable. Quoting Nelson Mandela, Obama wrote on Twitter ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D: "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love. For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." It is true that hatred isn't innate to humanity. Racists aren't born racist. Bigots have to learn to become bigots. And it's equally true that hatred can be overcome through goodwill. Yet getting to that point isn't easy. It has become harder, for instance, to see racism and bigotry for what they clearly are. Today's far-right expressions of hatred have been cloaked with a new respectability. White supremacist and neo-Nazi elements have been savvy in rebranding themselves as "alt-right". White pride is justified as cultural self-determination, concealing how its adherents believe in racial purity and hierarchy. It can be enough to convince people of a novelty to the "alt-right", when it is just far-right racism by another name. There can also be a misguided even-handedness on race and bigotry. People can think there are "many sides" to hatred and violence, as Trump said in his response to Charlottesville. In much of the reporting about anti-Islam movements here, anti-racism groups are put on a par with the self-styled "patriots" who target Muslim Australians. But, in the big picture, there aren't morally equivalent sides to racism and anti-racism. On one side are those such as the white supremacists in Charlottesville who chanted "Jews will not replace us". Those who oppose them are on the side of justice and equality. Still, where to draw the line on racism can be a source of confusion. Some say we mustn't equate racially offensive speech with the more serious category of racial physical violence. There is a distinction to be drawn between speech and action. Such a view, however, ignores how speech is itself an act, with real consequences. And it ignores how racially charged speech can quickly escalate. Extreme racism doesn't always begin as extreme racism. Sometimes it evolves from something more seemingly benign. The cumulative effect of low-level racism, when left unchallenged, is it makes more serious forms of it possible. Violent speech and violent action are connected. It was racist hate speech that was the prelude to the Rwandan genocide of the 1990s, just as anti-Semitic propaganda paved the way for Nazis to carry out the Holocaust. So how we characterise racism matters. It can be convenient to believe racism is simply a product of ignorance. And assuring to think a resurgence of far-right nationalism has come from economic anxiety, rather than anything more visceral. The reality is that racism's return also reflects a public debate where there is more accommodation of bigotry. Our multicultural society faces a paradox. For all our success on race relations in recent decades, some believe it is acceptable again to vent racial hostility openly. Recent events in the US show us that leadership matters. When licence is given to bigotry, we can't be surprised to find that it flourishes. Hatred may not always begin with politics, but politics can bequeath hatred. As for how we must respond, in one sense it is simple. Our society mustn't give ground to far-right extremism, and our leaders mustn't pander to people's fears. It is not enough to be non-racist; we must also be anti-racist. http://www.smh.com.au/comment/how-to-respond-to-the-worldwide-upswing-in-racism-20170822-gy1cyt.html

You left out the most pertinent aspect of this post, ya muppet!!!

How to respond to the worldwide upswing in racism

Tim Soutphommasane


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Quote:

Tim Soutphommasane

Not Sore End Sorenson?

Timmy is the poster boy of what to revolt against. Smug, incredibly ignorant, making virtue of his own non-white race (ie a racist), yet he studied non-Lao  philosophy is a non-Lao university. Vomitorious stuff.

And he can't marshal his arguments. This tosh simply doesn't stand up to reasoned examination. It's emotive, PC race baiting bollocks. He is playing to the gallery but he is simply exposing the poverty of his argument.  You must be a moron to say and think he has said anything you would nail to your own personal mast of beliefs.

Just a Stalinist shill and propagandist.

Yeah the sooner we get rid of that dope Tim the better.