Skeptical Science thinks so:


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Race to be Cheapest The number of electric hybrid and electric vehicles (EV’s) on our roads is presently constrained by their price which makes them more expensive than many ICE vehicles, primarily due to the cost of their batteries, the limited range they can be driven on a single charge and, to a lesser extent, the time they take to recharge. However, recent and on-going advances in technology continue to address these issues with the result that the purchase price of EV’s are destined to become highly competitive and, in less than a decade, cheaper than many ICE vehicles. Batteries are the most expensive component in an EV so the price of these vehicles is largely dependent on battery costs falling, on their ability to store electricity rising – as well as on growth in uptake of EV’s by end users. Battery costs have fallen by more than 80% over the last 8 years while their energy density has increased the range of some EV’s from less than 100 km to around 400 km over the same period. These developments are being driven by competitive demand for improved EV’s and the growing need of solar and wind generators for greater storage capacity.

https://skepticalscience.com/Problems-For-Oil.html

https://skepticalscience.com//pics/EVBATTERY-COST-1.png

For cross country trips I doubt EVs will ever be feasible unless small fusion reactors become possible. For commuting to and from work, the shops etc? If cheap enough will be perfectly feasible and they should be cheap enough before long.

In 20 years when EVs are common? Less smog/pollution, much less noise in cities etc. Sounds great!

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:37am:

Skeptical Science thinks so:

And Skeptical Science is so good. Still haven't had that exciting battery breakthrough. ;)

You didn’t see the graph of battery costs?

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 11:45am:

You didn’t see the graph of battery costs?

Battery costs are not battery performance. ;)

Or that range has increased from 100 to 400Km?

Do you have to smear your shitstained arse over EVERY thread?

Electric cars will not be anything in Australia until everybody who wants a vehicle can afford electric, and the country has thousands of charging points (which will cost many millions of dollars), and that will be in fifty or more years time possibly....... ::)

Inside of 20 years EVs will be commonplace.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 12:35pm:

Or that range has increased from 100 to 400Km?

Oh dear. JM thinks every body lives within 400km of the city, so every home can have one. ;D ;D

This is you dragging your shitstained arse across a thread.

I did say they would not be good for interstate travel, fine for the normal commute.

You do not debate, you try and cover up interesting posts because you cannot stand people honestly debating environmental matters: they might raise the subject of AGW.

Then again, by 2027 that may have changed. I can’t drive to Melbourne from Adelaide on one tank of petrol either.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 1:56pm:

I did say they would not be good for interstate travel, fine for the normal commute.

How about intrastate travel? ;)


Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 1:56pm:

I can’t drive to Melbourne from Adelaide on one tank of petrol either.

You need a diesel. Mine would do 654Km. ;)

So you can’t drive from Adelaide to Melbourne on one tank of fuel either.

Not making a good case against the ever improving, ever cheaper EVs.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 2:46pm:

So you can’t drive from Adelaide to Melbourne on one tank of fuel either.

Sorry . I was misquoting

"Distance between Melbourne and Adelaide is 654 kilometers (406 miles).
Driving distance from Melbourne to Adelaide is 727 kilometers (452 miles)."

https://www.distancecalculator.net/from-melbourne-to-adelaide

Which is why I said 654Km, it will do 654 km. Actually the ute will do 850Km apparently.

So Solly  ;)

We need Nuclear power to run these electric cars.

Nuclear cannot be dialed back like coal or gas it runs flat out for the fuel cycle.

In the USA the Nuclear plants paid power companies to take their off peak loads, cars could be recharged at night with nuclear power.

Australia has the most expensive electricity in the world thanks to the idiots who push renewables, solar doesn't work at night and windspeed also decreases at night.

lee wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 4:04pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 2:46pm: So you can’t drive from Adelaide to Melbourne on one tank of fuel either. Sorry . I was misquoting "Distance between Melbourne and Adelaide is 654 kilometers (406 miles). Driving distance from Melbourne to Adelaide is 727 kilometers (452 miles)." https://www.distancecalculator.net/from-melbourne-to-adelaide Which is why I said 654Km, it will do 654 km. Actually the ute will do 850Km apparently. So Solly  ;)

So you can just make it to Melbourne from Adelaide on a tank of gas.

How long before an EV can do that too, and more? Even now 400Km will allow a week of commuting. If you have solar panels you can recharge your car for free which is attractive.

Economics is dictating a move to renewables. A move to EVs is just starting. When there is a battery breakthrough that will just errrr accelerate.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 4:18pm:

So you can just make it to Melbourne from Adelaide on a tank of gas.

yes.


Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 4:18pm:

How long before an EV can do that too, and more?

That would need that breakthrough in battery technology I was talking about.

Battery technology is a mature technology. I can't see any great  increases.

Well, they have boosted the range fourfold so that is a good start. With more and more moving to EVs the price will go down and there will be incremental improvements.

As to betting against progress, nope not me.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 4:23pm:

Well, they have boosted the range fourfold so that is a good start.

Yes. So now the incremental increases will be less and less. Unless, there is that technology breakthrough.

You want to bet against progress?

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 6:38pm:

You want to bet against progress?

Nope. Incremental increases are progress. ;)

You can bet against progress, I won’t!

lee wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 6:54pm:

Incremental increases are progress.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 7:03pm:

You can bet against progress, I won’t!

Wow. Is English a third language?

I think the increasing numbers of EVs will see a dramatic increase in battery capability.

lee wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 1:15pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:35pm: Or that range has increased from 100 to 400Km? Oh dear. JM thinks every body lives within 400km of the city, so every home can have one. ;D ;D

it won't matter what people that live 400km within the city want, car manufacturers will simply stop making petrol engines because it won't be worth it to them. Volvo has already announced it will only make electric from 2019, others will follow suit.

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 7:36pm:

lee wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 1:15pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 12:35pm: Or that range has increased from 100 to 400Km? Oh dear. JM thinks every body lives within 400km of the city, so every home can have one. ;D ;D it won't matter what people that live 400km within the city want, car manufacturers will simply stop making petrol engines because it won't be worth it to them. Volvo has already announced it will only make electric from 2019, others will follow suit.

And there will be more incremental and major progress with battery capability.

Lees does tell lies, I started off by saying EVs would be good for commuters, not so good for cross country.

Some notes:


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Volkswagen launched its I.D. concept car, which is set for production in 2020 and will have an electric range of at least 400 kilometers. Herbert Diess, head of the VW brand, described the car as “revolutionary,” comparing its impact on the brand’s history to the Beetle or the Golf. This followed an earlier announcement that the VW Group aspires to get a quarter of its sales from electric by 2025 and is planning 20 models.

and


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Mercedes launched an equivalent Generation EQ concept car that will become a new sub-brand with at least 10 plug-in models. Dieter Zetsche, its CEO, announced: “We’re now flipping the switch … ready for the launch of an electric product offensive that will cover all vehicle segments, from the compact to the luxury class.” In other announcements, Opel unveiled the Ampera-e (a European clone of the Chevrolet Bolt); and Renault and BMW detailed upgrades of the Zoe and i3 respectively, with Renault commenting: “Our vision of the electric market is that it is not a niche market.”

So, why the renewed interest in EVs?

Hmmmm:


Quote:

• The rapid growth in EV sales in China, which is now the world’s biggest market and dominated by national manufacturers. Non-Chinese carmakers are desperate to succeed in this expanding market and terrified their Chinese competitors, like BYD, will soon be successfully exporting to Europe; • The astonishing fall in the price of battery packs to around $150 per kilowatt hour, a level which makes EVs competitive with conventional vehicles. Also, it is possible to produce affordable EVs with ranges of over the psychologically important 300 kilometer range; The success of the Paris climate talks is driving a progressive tightening of car CO2 emissions limits around the world, inevitably leading to a gradual phase out of fossil fuels. This has been hastened by the dieselgate scandal and the realization that the rest of the world will not be tricked into using diesel as a way to artificially reduce CO2 emissions as Europe did; • The remarkable pre-sales of the new Tesla Model 3 — a car for which 400,000 drivers put down $1,000 each without even sitting in it. Suddenly even German premium carmakers recognized that a true market exists that they needed to supply it.

Hmmmm China! Of course, the big cities in China have horrendous air pollution, smog so huge motive for replacing petrol/diesel cars with EVs. And that affects European car makers wanting to sell into China.

https://www.transportenvironment.org/newsroom/blog/beginning-end-infernal-combustion-engine?gclid=CjwKCAjwuITNBRBFEiwA9N9YENThOBKeEWsEwIWQMcMpxV9tPMNlL_vUC2b5oX4fFrH9yhMcWUDtKRoCOX4QAvD_BwE

10 EVs about to hit the showrooms:

https://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/electric-cars-that-will-change-the-auto-landscape.html/?a=viewall

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Dutch politicians have voted through a motion calling on the country to ban sales of new petrol and diesel cars starting in 2025. The motion has only passed through the lower house of the Netherlands’ parliament, and would need to pass through the Dutch senate to become legally binding. But its success in a majority vote puts the earliest date yet on just when a major country might begin phasing out polluting transportation. Initially, the motion – proposed by the Labour Party (PvdA), the junior member of the Netherlands’ coalition government – aimed to ban petrol and diesel cars entirely, but it was dialled back. As it stands, the proposal would allow existing cars to stay in use, but would “strive to prevent” the sales of any future ones, ensuring that Dutch roads gradually electrify over the next decade or so. But the motion was opposed by the Labour Party’s coalition partners, the centre-right VVD, whose leader, Halbe Zijlstra, called the plan “unrealistic”, according to a report from the Dutch state broadcaster NOS. Zijlstra was particularly concerned about whether or not the proposed law would conflict with the country’s energy agreement, which commits the Netherlands to certain decarbonisation targets by 2020. The leader of the PvdA, Diederik Samsom, says that the proposal would be feasible – and that the energy agreement wouldn’t conflict with it. “That agreement runs until 2023, we are free in what we do after that. We are ambitious, perhaps other parties are less so”, he said. Electric car sales in the Netherlands currently stand at just under 10%.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/18/netherlands-parliament-electric-car-petrol-diesel-ban-by-2025

If the measure passes the Dutch Senate:

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A recent thinktank report suggests that 10 years after that a third of all the vehicles sold in the world will be electric. New electric cars must travel further and need less time to recover from their journeys than those that can be bought today, when long journeys are still fraught with anxiety. This means lighter batteries that hold more charge and can be charged more quickly; they are appearing already and the huge amounts of global investment make it likely that progress will continue and technology will supply what the market needs.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/06/the-guardian-view-of-the-car-industry-an-electric-future


Interesting—will see how it goes.

Looks like major improvement to battery technology will happen sooner rather than later.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26^th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

Looks like major improvement to battery technology will happen sooner rather than later.

More assertions without proof.

"The future of the car industry is clearly electric, and the development of battery technology – something the government plans to support – will be vital."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/06/the-guardian-view-of-the-car-industry-an-electric-future

Reading between the lines again? ;)

With the surge in the number of EVs money will be spent on its weakest part, the battery. Major progress will be made, lighter, quicker to recharge batteries will be developed.

Lees admits defeat on batteries?

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26^th, 2017 at 8:44pm:

With the surge in the number of EVs money will be spent on its weakest part, the battery. Major progress will be made, lighter, quicker to recharge batteries will be developed.

There may be money spent. It does not guarantee a major design breakthrough. Batteries are a a mature technology.

In grandfather’s day. . .

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26^th, 2017 at 9:14pm:

In grandfather’s day. . .

So tell me what improvements did they make to the horsedrawn dray? ;)

Invented the ICE.

I don’t believe progress can be stopped and do believe there will be a breakthrough on battery technology. As well as incremental changes.

ICE DESTROYS LIVES

http://www.drugs.health.gov.au/internet/drugs/publishingcp.nsf/content/home

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26^th, 2017 at 8:44pm:

With the surge in the number of EVs money will be spent on its weakest part, the battery. Major progress will be made, lighter, quicker to recharge batteries will be developed.

How about when they catch  fire and explode?  Got a solution for that too?

Or as usual is the solution a plea for MORE TAX PAYERS DOLLARS!

Conservatives really hate change don’t they? Even change for the better.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 8:40am:

Conservatives really hate change don’t they? Even change for the better.

Comes down to what is better.

The only thing electric cars do better is VIRTUE SIGNAL.

No, cleaner air and quieter cities.

With increasing take up of solar panels, some small windmill generator, less carbon pollution.

EVs are the future!

Wall Street Journal offers a dissenting voice:


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Electric Cars Are the Future? Not So Fast

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/print/WSJ_-A002-20170713.pdf

Can’t copy the article.

Basically points out that without subsidies and with cheap oil EVs incl hybrids face a more difficult path to travel. Against that, AGW will mandate, after the major flood I predict, rules that mandate or have the effect of the phasing out of the ICE.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 9:46am:

No, cleaner air and quieter cities. With increasing take up of solar panels, some small windmill generator, less carbon pollution. EVs are the future!

Well there you go, i didnt realise the global warming fix had now changed to make our cities have cleaner air and be quieter.....

It just keeps on giving.....how about you just move to some one horse town and park your social engineering bus under a tree and let the rest of us work and make a better future.

No, we need to reduce emissions. That is what “less carbon pollution means.”

A move to renewable energy and EVs will have lovely side benefits like cleaner air and quieter cities.

Rider wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 7:57am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 8:44pm: With the surge in the number of EVs money will be spent on its weakest part, the battery. Major progress will be made, lighter, quicker to recharge batteries will be developed. How about when they catch  fire and explode?  Got a solution for that too? Or as usual is the solution a plea for MORE TAX PAYERS DOLLARS!

Putting water on Lithium battery fires doesn't put the fire out.

I guess you need off street parking to consider with owning an electric car, can you imagine people tripping over extension cords on the footpath.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 1:16pm:

Rider wrote on Aug 27th, 2017 at 7:57am: Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 8:44pm: With the surge in the number of EVs money will be spent on its weakest part, the battery. Major progress will be made, lighter, quicker to recharge batteries will be developed. How about when they catch  fire and explode?  Got a solution for that too? Or as usual is the solution a plea for MORE TAX PAYERS DOLLARS! Putting water on Lithium battery fires doesn't put the fire out. I guess you need off street parking to consider with owning an electric car, can you imagine people tripping over extension cords on the footpath.

I love how conservatives all think the same. The schtick about extension cords on the footpath is a common one.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 1:20pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27th, 2017 at 1:16pm: Rider wrote on Aug 27th, 2017 at 7:57am: Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 8:44pm: With the surge in the number of EVs money will be spent on its weakest part, the battery. Major progress will be made, lighter, quicker to recharge batteries will be developed. How about when they catch  fire and explode?  Got a solution for that too? Or as usual is the solution a plea for MORE TAX PAYERS DOLLARS! Putting water on Lithium battery fires doesn't put the fire out. I guess you need off street parking to consider with owning an electric car, can you imagine people tripping over extension cords on the footpath. I love how conservatives all think the same. The schtick about extension cords on the footpath is a common one.

Where do those who live in units without off street parking like many areas of inner city Sydney plug these thing in?

Charging stations.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 1:30pm:

Charging stations.

How many of these charging stations are there?

What happens if they're all full when you arrive with a flat battery do you have to wait hours to start charging?

Think you will find they will be ubuiquitous. I have seen two car parks have spaces for EVs where they can recharge.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 1:29pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27th, 2017 at 1:20pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27th, 2017 at 1:16pm: Rider wrote on Aug 27th, 2017 at 7:57am: Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 8:44pm: With the surge in the number of EVs money will be spent on its weakest part, the battery. Major progress will be made, lighter, quicker to recharge batteries will be developed. How about when they catch  fire and explode?  Got a solution for that too? Or as usual is the solution a plea for MORE TAX PAYERS DOLLARS! Putting water on Lithium battery fires doesn't put the fire out. I guess you need off street parking to consider with owning an electric car, can you imagine people tripping over extension cords on the footpath. I love how conservatives all think the same. The schtick about extension cords on the footpath is a common one. Where do those who live in units without off street parking like many areas of inner city Sydney plug these thing in?

Oh, and how are they gonna be recharged without coal fired base load.....more diesel generators like in SA? 

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 1:36pm:

Think you will find they will be ubuiquitous. I have seen two car parks have spaces for EVs where they can recharge.

Wow....two. thats awesome.

Do you pay by the minute or do the rest of us tax slaves pay it for the virtue signalling twats?

Hopefully, nuclear plus renewables.

Not coal, sorry.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 1:15pm:

No, we need to reduce emissions. That is what “less carbon pollution means.” A move to renewable energy and EVs will have lovely side benefits like cleaner air and quieter cities.

You are full of it.  Show me one city polluted with carbon dioxide.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 2:51pm:

Hopefully, nuclear plus renewables. Not coal, sorry.

Oh, so now we need to build nuclear power stations...... EF me, heres a novel idea, lets just build them now, and forget about all this other rubbish, as if anyone wants to drive around in a golf cart,  sure would save a lot of tax payers dollars straight up.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 1:20pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27th, 2017 at 1:16pm: Rider wrote on Aug 27th, 2017 at 7:57am: Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 8:44pm: With the surge in the number of EVs money will be spent on its weakest part, the battery. Major progress will be made, lighter, quicker to recharge batteries will be developed. How about when they catch  fire and explode?  Got a solution for that too? Or as usual is the solution a plea for MORE TAX PAYERS DOLLARS! Putting water on Lithium battery fires doesn't put the fire out. I guess you need off street parking to consider with owning an electric car, can you imagine people tripping over extension cords on the footpath. I love how conservatives all think the same. The schtick about extension cords on the footpath is a common one.

What, you reckon its gonna charge by Bluetooth?

There is an idea!



:)

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:19pm:

There is an idea! :)

Have you gone outside to check on the level of carbon dioxide pollution yet?  I want clear photos of this insidious pollution, hovering above our cities, hope it isnt too noisy outside there with all those cars going by.....oh thats right, in SA people are too poor to drive on account their power bills are the highest in the world.

This people is just the beginning of what these twats will do to us. Converting wealthy nations into welfare states.

You are funny. Stupid, but funny.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

You are funny. Stupid, but funny.

At least I'm funny. I'll take stupid as a badge of honor from someone with all the education and degrees like you. Still cant tie a shoelace can you.

The only internal combustion engines running in the welfare state of SA are the lovely Caterpillar and Cummins diesels powering the Generator units... keeping the lights on for just the miserable price of 80,000 litres of diesel an Hour. Do you know how many Olympic sized swimming pools that is?

You gotta love green initiatives dont ya?  What could possibly go wrong?

Can’t tie shoelaces—that why you wear elastic sided boots?

You chose not to read the science of AGW so we are talking at complete cross purposes.

Let me tell you something tho: we are at or very near the temperature that applied in the Eemian period 120,000 years ago. Bit more we will be there or over the temperature that applied then. So? You ask?

So—in Eemian times sea levels were nine metres higher than they are now. It is no coincidence then that the major icesheets on Greenland, West Antarctica and East Antarctica are destabilising with the glaciers that reach the sea retreating rapidly. It is likely in your lifetime that they will let go completely.

What might tip the temperature over the edge? The sun has been in its quiet state. Within two decades I reckon it will go into its active state sending more warmth our way.

If you can’t accept that what can we talk about?

Watch this video. The scientist talking has 25 years experience in studying the main ice sheets:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVEM1cgMc1s&feature=youtu.be

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

Can’t tie shoelaces—that why you wear elastic sided boots?

You can't talk. Can't pull on elastic-sided boots - have to where thongs. ;)

WHERE are your tongs, Cpl Lees?

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

Can’t tie shoelaces—that why you wear elastic sided boots? You chose not to read the science of AGW so we are talking at complete cross purposes. Let me tell you something tho: we are at or very near the temperature that applied in the Eemian period 120,000 years ago. Bit more we will be there or over the temperature that applied then. So? You ask? So—in Eemian times sea levels were nine metres higher than they are now. It is no coincidence then that the major icesheets on Greenland, West Antarctica and East Antarctica are destabilising with the glaciers that reach the sea retreating rapidly. It is likely in your lifetime that they will let go completely. What might tip the temperature over the edge? The sun has been in its quiet state. Within two decades I reckon it will go into its active state sending more warmth our way. If you can’t accept that what can we talk about? Watch this video. The scientist talking has 25 years experience in studying the main ice sheets: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVEM1cgMc1s&feature=youtu.be

However, the subject was why EVs will become the accepted type of cars. AGW will see EV use increase. The alternative will be an Eemian period style 9m sea level rise.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

Can’t tie shoelaces—that why you wear elastic sided boots? You chose not to read the science of AGW so we are talking at complete cross purposes. Let me tell you something tho: we are at or very near the temperature that applied in the Eemian period 120,000 years ago. Bit more we will be there or over the temperature that applied then. So? You ask? So—in Eemian times sea levels were nine metres higher than they are now. It is no coincidence then that the major icesheets on Greenland, West Antarctica and East Antarctica are destabilising with the glaciers that reach the sea retreating rapidly. It is likely in your lifetime that they will let go completely. What might tip the temperature over the edge? The sun has been in its quiet state. Within two decades I reckon it will go into its active state sending more warmth our way. If you can’t accept that what can we talk about? Watch this video. The scientist talking has 25 years experience in studying the main ice sheets: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVEM1cgMc1s&feature=youtu.be

87% of recent warming is natural, 13% is from adjusted raw data, thus fraudulent and the final 97% is simply made up by f2kknuckles like you.

We have absolutely no reason to do anything other than burn more dead fossils, which reminds me, how old are you?

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 6:26pm:

WHERE are your tongs, Cpl Lees?

out on the BBQ. ;D ;D ;D

Let them cool/stop burning before putting them on, Cpl Lees!

Will it hurt to replace your “diesel ute” for an EV?

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Let them cool/stop burning before putting them on, Cpl Lees!

Nah, the barbies not on. ;)


Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Will it hurt to replace your “diesel ute” for an EV?

Nope. It is a lifetime purchase. ;D ;D ;D

They don’t make them like they used to, you know.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

They don’t make them like they used to, you know.

Yes. They are more reliable. I can remember my FJ. ;)

Still, definite lifetime.

The ute.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 9:08pm:

Still, definite lifetime. The ute.

Yep. Way after I quit driving.

Grandkids will say—look at the funny car granddad is driving!

;D

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 10:09pm:

Grandkids will say—look at the funny car granddad is driving! ;D

And then add "Isn't it cool". ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Funny old cars are never cool.

Rider waffled:

Quote:

87% of recent warming is natural, 13% is from adjusted raw data, thus fraudulent and the final 97% is simply made up by f2kknuckles like you.

Care to show how you got those fantasy figures?

What natural warming gave us 1.2°C temperature rise?

Guess no answer will be coming.

As AGW keeps increasing global temperatures and sea levels will keep rising. Some incident, I am predicting a huge flood on the US east coast, will see serious efforts being taken to reduce emissions and do adaptation and mitigation.

EVs will be one measure.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 9:53am:

Rider waffled: Quote: 87% of recent warming is natural, 13% is from adjusted raw data, thus fraudulent and the final 97% is simply made up by f2kknuckles like you. Care to show how you got those fantasy figures? What natural warming gave us 1.2°C temperature rise?

I just thought I'd add to the fiction. Like you do.

So, no data.

The data I quote is all verified.

There is an EV in your future  ;D

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 7:52pm:

So, no data. The data I quote is all verified. There is an EV in your future  ;D

Pal review is no verification. You and your pseudo religion will fade away.

How about all that carbon dioxide pollution today, boy was it thick this morning in Melbourne, oh hang on, that was just some rain bearing clouds. Guess I'll be checking tomorrow for more evidence of this insidious pollution, I'll be checking all day as i burn up lots of diesel in my truck hauling all those containers off the wharf. ( NOT AS MUCH DIESEL AS THOSE GENERATORS IN SOUTH AUST THOUGH, HOWS THAT GREEN WET DREAM GOING?)

And talk about noisy cars, man i cant wait till they are all replaced by those golf carts....i mean EVs lol....do ya think they can just have 25 km of extension leads each and you can just drive them on? Or maybe a giant wind turbine glued to their roofs? Self generating?

Nope, there is an EV in your future.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 10:05pm:

Nope, there is an EV in your future.

Keep dreaming.

I priced out an electric outboard for my sailboat,i think I will stick to the old smokey 2 stroke.

http://www.torqeedo.com/en/products/outboards/cruise/cruise-2.0-t/M-1234-00.html

Yup, but electric cars have come well down in price. When the major AGW–caused incident happens EVs will become mandated.