Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader into a conflict that could potentially end life on Earth as we know it".

He called on Mr Turnbull to tell the President to "back off".

"If there was an ever a clearer example of why Australia needs to ditch the US alliance and forge an independent, non-aligned foreign policy, this is it. Malcolm Turnbull now needs to pick up the phone, he needs to talk to Donald Trump and urge him to de-eascalate."


http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-will-join-the-conflict-if-north-korea-attacks-the-us-malcolm-turnbull-20170810-gxty5f.html

It will not work.  Australia's land mass is too great for our small defense force to defend effectively.  We need the backing of a stronger military behind us. 

It will not work arselicking a mentally ill president into a nuke armageddon.

Dump ANZUS Now.

____ wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 12:07pm:

Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader into a conflict that could potentially end life on Earth as we know it". He called on Mr Turnbull to tell the President to "back off". "If there was an ever a clearer example of why Australia needs to ditch the US alliance and forge an independent, non-aligned foreign policy, this is it. Malcolm Turnbull now needs to pick up the phone, he needs to talk to Donald Trump and urge him to de-eascalate." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-will-join-the-conflict-if-north-korea-attacks-the-us-malcolm-turnbull-20170810-gxty5f.html

Turnbull isn't backing Kim. Someone please tell Di Natale.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 12:17pm:

____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:07pm: Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader into a conflict that could potentially end life on Earth as we know it". He called on Mr Turnbull to tell the President to "back off". "If there was an ever a clearer example of why Australia needs to ditch the US alliance and forge an independent, non-aligned foreign policy, this is it. Malcolm Turnbull now needs to pick up the phone, he needs to talk to Donald Trump and urge him to de-eascalate." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-will-join-the-conflict-if-north-korea-attacks-the-us-malcolm-turnbull-20170810-gxty5f.html Turnbull isn't backing Kim. Someone please tell Di Natale.

Trump not mentally ill. That's a massive call !

____ wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 12:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:17pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:07pm: Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader into a conflict that could potentially end life on Earth as we know it". He called on Mr Turnbull to tell the President to "back off". "If there was an ever a clearer example of why Australia needs to ditch the US alliance and forge an independent, non-aligned foreign policy, this is it. Malcolm Turnbull now needs to pick up the phone, he needs to talk to Donald Trump and urge him to de-eascalate." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-will-join-the-conflict-if-north-korea-attacks-the-us-malcolm-turnbull-20170810-gxty5f.html Turnbull isn't backing Kim. Someone please tell Di Natale. Trump not mentally ill. That's a massive call !

I said Kim, not Trump.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 12:20pm:

____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:19pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:17pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:07pm: Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader into a conflict that could potentially end life on Earth as we know it". He called on Mr Turnbull to tell the President to "back off". "If there was an ever a clearer example of why Australia needs to ditch the US alliance and forge an independent, non-aligned foreign policy, this is it. Malcolm Turnbull now needs to pick up the phone, he needs to talk to Donald Trump and urge him to de-eascalate." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-will-join-the-conflict-if-north-korea-attacks-the-us-malcolm-turnbull-20170810-gxty5f.html Turnbull isn't backing Kim. Someone please tell Di Natale. Trump not mentally ill. That's a massive call ! I said Kim, not Trump.

I know.
Richard said about Trump and you implied Trump isn't mentally ill. Massive call on your part.

____ wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 12:07pm:

Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader into a conflict that could potentially end life on Earth as we know it". He called on Mr Turnbull to tell the President to "back off". "If there was an ever a clearer example of why Australia needs to ditch the US alliance and forge an independent, non-aligned foreign policy, this is it. Malcolm Turnbull now needs to pick up the phone, he needs to talk to Donald Trump and urge him to de-eascalate." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-will-join-the-conflict-if-north-korea-attacks-the-us-malcolm-turnbull-20170810-gxty5f.html

Someone with at least a primary school education in the greens party should point out to that cretin that ANZUS is not just an instrument of foreign policy, as he has said, but more importantly, it is an instrument of defence policy.

So how does that fkkwit de natale, suggest we going it alone defence wise?


I don't see a lot of people wanting to increase our defence budget t the levels needed to be able to defend ourselves without defence partners? And other nations knowing we are only fair weather partners, will prolly not want to partner up with us.

Might want to attack us, but.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 12:30pm:

____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:07pm: Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader into a conflict that could potentially end life on Earth as we know it". He called on Mr Turnbull to tell the President to "back off". "If there was an ever a clearer example of why Australia needs to ditch the US alliance and forge an independent, non-aligned foreign policy, this is it. Malcolm Turnbull now needs to pick up the phone, he needs to talk to Donald Trump and urge him to de-eascalate." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-will-join-the-conflict-if-north-korea-attacks-the-us-malcolm-turnbull-20170810-gxty5f.html Someone with at least a primary school education in the greens party should point out to that cretin that ANZUS is not just an instrument of foreign policy, as he has said, but more importantly, it is an instrument of defence policy. So how does that fkkwit de natale, suggest we going it alone defence wise? I don't see a lot of people wanting to increase our defence budget t the levels needed to be able to defend ourselves without defence partners? And other nations knowing we are only fair weather partners, will prolly not want to partner up with us. Might want to attack us, but.

The document states consultation
You and Turnbull claims it's a document of servitude.

Which is it?

____ wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 12:34pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:30pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:07pm: Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader into a conflict that could potentially end life on Earth as we know it". He called on Mr Turnbull to tell the President to "back off". "If there was an ever a clearer example of why Australia needs to ditch the US alliance and forge an independent, non-aligned foreign policy, this is it. Malcolm Turnbull now needs to pick up the phone, he needs to talk to Donald Trump and urge him to de-eascalate." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-will-join-the-conflict-if-north-korea-attacks-the-us-malcolm-turnbull-20170810-gxty5f.html Someone with at least a primary school education in the greens party should point out to that cretin that ANZUS is not just an instrument of foreign policy, as he has said, but more importantly, it is an instrument of defence policy. So how does that fkkwit de natale, suggest we going it alone defence wise? I don't see a lot of people wanting to increase our defence budget t the levels needed to be able to defend ourselves without defence partners? And other nations knowing we are only fair weather partners, will prolly not want to partner up with us. Might want to attack us, but. The document states consultation You and Turnbull claims it's a document of servitude. Which is it?

I claimed no such thing I asked what the fkk was de natale defence plan after telling the US to fkk off.

So what it is?

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 12:38pm:

____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:34pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:30pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:07pm: Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader into a conflict that could potentially end life on Earth as we know it". He called on Mr Turnbull to tell the President to "back off". "If there was an ever a clearer example of why Australia needs to ditch the US alliance and forge an independent, non-aligned foreign policy, this is it. Malcolm Turnbull now needs to pick up the phone, he needs to talk to Donald Trump and urge him to de-eascalate." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-will-join-the-conflict-if-north-korea-attacks-the-us-malcolm-turnbull-20170810-gxty5f.html Someone with at least a primary school education in the greens party should point out to that cretin that ANZUS is not just an instrument of foreign policy, as he has said, but more importantly, it is an instrument of defence policy. So how does that fkkwit de natale, suggest we going it alone defence wise? I don't see a lot of people wanting to increase our defence budget t the levels needed to be able to defend ourselves without defence partners? And other nations knowing we are only fair weather partners, will prolly not want to partner up with us. Might want to attack us, but. The document states consultation You and Turnbull claims it's a document of servitude. Which is it? I claimed no such thing I asked what the fkk was de natale defence plan after telling the US to fkk off. So what it is?

" ... instrument of defence policy"
Blind obedience to Trump ... even before you know what he will do.

This is just cowardice. Fear of standing on your own feet.

____ wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 12:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:20pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:19pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:17pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:07pm: Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader into a conflict that could potentially end life on Earth as we know it". He called on Mr Turnbull to tell the President to "back off". "If there was an ever a clearer example of why Australia needs to ditch the US alliance and forge an independent, non-aligned foreign policy, this is it. Malcolm Turnbull now needs to pick up the phone, he needs to talk to Donald Trump and urge him to de-eascalate." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-will-join-the-conflict-if-north-korea-attacks-the-us-malcolm-turnbull-20170810-gxty5f.html Turnbull isn't backing Kim. Someone please tell Di Natale. Trump not mentally ill. That's a massive call ! I said Kim, not Trump. I know. Richard said about Trump and you implied Trump isn't mentally ill. Massive call on your part.

Trump is an idiot with a colossal ego, but he isn't mentally ill.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 12:47pm:

____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:24pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:20pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:19pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:17pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:07pm: Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader into a conflict that could potentially end life on Earth as we know it". He called on Mr Turnbull to tell the President to "back off". "If there was an ever a clearer example of why Australia needs to ditch the US alliance and forge an independent, non-aligned foreign policy, this is it. Malcolm Turnbull now needs to pick up the phone, he needs to talk to Donald Trump and urge him to de-eascalate." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-will-join-the-conflict-if-north-korea-attacks-the-us-malcolm-turnbull-20170810-gxty5f.html Turnbull isn't backing Kim. Someone please tell Di Natale. Trump not mentally ill. That's a massive call ! I said Kim, not Trump. I know. Richard said about Trump and you implied Trump isn't mentally ill. Massive call on your part. Trump is an idiot with a colossal ego, but he is'n't mentally ill.

You're qualification to diagnose are ?

____ wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 12:42pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:38pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:34pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:30pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:07pm: Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader into a conflict that could potentially end life on Earth as we know it". He called on Mr Turnbull to tell the President to "back off". "If there was an ever a clearer example of why Australia needs to ditch the US alliance and forge an independent, non-aligned foreign policy, this is it. Malcolm Turnbull now needs to pick up the phone, he needs to talk to Donald Trump and urge him to de-eascalate." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-will-join-the-conflict-if-north-korea-attacks-the-us-malcolm-turnbull-20170810-gxty5f.html Someone with at least a primary school education in the greens party should point out to that cretin that ANZUS is not just an instrument of foreign policy, as he has said, but more importantly, it is an instrument of defence policy. So how does that fkkwit de natale, suggest we going it alone defence wise? I don't see a lot of people wanting to increase our defence budget t the levels needed to be able to defend ourselves without defence partners? And other nations knowing we are only fair weather partners, will prolly not want to partner up with us. Might want to attack us, but. The document states consultation You and Turnbull claims it's a document of servitude. Which is it? I claimed no such thing I asked what the fkk was de natale defence plan after telling the US to fkk off. So what it is? " ... instrument of defence policy" Blind obedience to Trump ... even before you know what he will do. This is just cowardice. Fear of standing on your own feet.

Now answer my question

So how will we be 'standing on our own two feet' as you put it?


Hopefully de natale will have thought this through and isn't just being a petulant fkkwit.

How well were things thought out, when Australia joined with America in the illegal Iraq war?.   :(

whiteknight wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 1:13pm:

How well were things thought out, when Australia joined with America in the illegal Iraq war?.   :(

Quid pro quo

One of you socialist needs to answer my question before asking me one.    :) :) :)


I mean dumping the kiwis to look after themselves isn't a biggies, cheap bastard contribute fkk all anyway.


But how will we defend our country in an increasingly dangerous world when we have shown ourselves to be unreliable defence partners?

____ wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 12:07pm:

Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader into a conflict that could potentially end life on Earth as we know it". He called on Mr Turnbull to tell the President to "back off". "If there was an ever a clearer example of why Australia needs to ditch the US alliance and forge an independent, non-aligned foreign policy, this is it. Malcolm Turnbull now needs to pick up the phone, he needs to talk to Donald Trump and urge him to de-eascalate." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-will-join-the-conflict-if-north-korea-attacks-the-us-malcolm-turnbull-20170810-gxty5f.html

Non-aligned Australia? Di Natale is a nitwit. The problem with the Greens is they don't want to understand foreign policy and they don't want any border protection. They should stick to environmental issues, like our chronic waste problem, and shut TF up about subjects that are way out of their depth.

I think the real concern here for Australia is not about the ANZUS treaty, rather, what is happening in USA today.  Can they continue to be the shield that Australia have relied upon, and if not, should we start preparing for that time.

The world is not peaceful at the moment.  Lets have a look at what President Trump wants to do:
1) Destabilize Syria - already bombed it. 
2) Destabilize Iran - tear up the nuclear treaty
3) Reign fire upon North Korea.
4) Build a wall  on the mexico border.
5) Start trade war with China
6) Stir up problem in the South China Sea.
7) Start a war against democrats, and now his own party.

After he got into power, the world became even more divided.  But then its okay, because thats what international politics are like.  But whats more concerning is that USA itself is now more divided than ever.   With national debt of some 23 trillion against an annual tax revenue of 3 trillion (which translate to about 70000 of debt per each man women and child).  Even just 2 or 3 of the 7 items above is happening at the same time, it would bring USA down to its knees. 

And this, my friends will have far more impact on Australia's geosecurity future.  I think its just matter of time before we have to dramatically increase our defense budget, and rethink our position in international politics.

Technology and strategy, I would have thought, could go a long way to overcoming the physical limitations (large coastline etc).
ANZUS is not a guarantee. We may well find ourselves in a situation where american can't or won't send aid. And we have no plan B.
Meanwhile, doing what we see as our part of the anzus obligation, thousands of australian soldiers have died for no other obvious reason across the world from jungles to deserts, and we continue along with the childish (and self-defeating) mentality that we have some kind of protector.
Once again, anzus is not an unqualified guarantee of australian security.

thecuriousmail wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 2:05pm:

Technology and strategy, I would have thought, could go a long way to overcoming the physical limitations (large coastline etc). ANZUS is not a guarantee. We may well find ourselves in a situation where american can't or won't send aid. And we have no plan B. Meanwhile, doing what we see as our part of the anzus obligation, thousands of australian soldiers have died for no other obvious reason across the world from jungles to deserts, and we continue along with the childish (and self-defeating) mentality that we have some kind of protector. Once again, anzus is not an unqualified guarantee of australian security.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Bloody lot better than  NOTHING

thecuriousmail wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 2:05pm:

Technology and strategy, I would have thought, could go a long way to overcoming the physical limitations (large coastline etc). ANZUS is not a guarantee. We may well find ourselves in a situation where american can't or won't send aid. And we have no plan B. Meanwhile, doing what we see as our part of the anzus obligation, thousands of australian soldiers have died for no other obvious reason across the world from jungles to deserts, and we continue along with the childish (and self-defeating) mentality that we have some kind of protector. Once again, anzus is not an unqualified guarantee of australian security.

And this my friend is the world we live in.  It has not changed in thousands of years, and it will not change in the foreseeable future.  All we can do is to prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.

thecuriousmail wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 2:05pm:

Technology and strategy, I would have thought, could go a long way to overcoming the physical limitations (large coastline etc). ANZUS is not a guarantee. We may well find ourselves in a situation where american can't or won't send aid. And we have no plan B. Meanwhile, doing what we see as our part of the anzus obligation, thousands of australian soldiers have died for no other obvious reason across the world from jungles to deserts, and we continue along with the childish (and self-defeating) mentality that we have some kind of protector. Once again, anzus is not an unqualified guarantee of australian security.

First up, hundreds, not thousands of Australians have died since the implementation of ANZUS.


It would be a rare occurrence indeed for the US to not come running to protect their critical communications asset in the southern hemisphere.

They may not help us if we invade or protect another country without their approval, but they would most definitely come running if we were invaded.

Our government have shown endless cowardice when i comes to protecting smaller vulnerable nations in our region for this very reason. It is a situation we as a nation should be eternally ashamed of.

____ wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 12:07pm:

Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader

I don't think Mal will ever back DiNatale

Or Abbott.


BEIJING (Reuters) - If North Korea launches an attack that threatens the United States then China should stay neutral, but if the United States attacks first and tries to overthrow North Korea's government China will stop them, a Chinese state-run newspaper said on Friday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-media-idUSKBN1AR005


Mal has set up Australia for a war against China ... just because of an outdated ANZUS document.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 2:35pm:

thecuriousmail wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 2:05pm: Technology and strategy, I would have thought, could go a long way to overcoming the physical limitations (large coastline etc). ANZUS is not a guarantee. We may well find ourselves in a situation where american can't or won't send aid. And we have no plan B. Meanwhile, doing what we see as our part of the anzus obligation, thousands of australian soldiers have died for no other obvious reason across the world from jungles to deserts, and we continue along with the childish (and self-defeating) mentality that we have some kind of protector. Once again, anzus is not an unqualified guarantee of australian security. First up, hundreds, not thousands of Australians have died since the implementation of ANZUS. It would be a rare occurrence indeed for the US to not come running to protect their critical communications asset in the southern hemisphere. They may not help us if we invade or protect another country without their approval, but they would most definitely come running if we were invaded. Our government have shown endless cowardice when i comes to protecting smaller vulnerable nations in our region for this very reason. It is a situation we as a nation should be eternally ashamed of.

Pine Gap & many other places are now targets for Kim Jong-Un.

____ wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 2:59pm:

Or Abbott. BEIJING (Reuters) - If North Korea launches an attack that threatens the United States then China should stay neutral, but if the United States attacks first and tries to overthrow North Korea's government China will stop them, a Chinese state-run newspaper said on Friday. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-media-idUSKBN1AR005 Mal has set up Australia for a war against China ... just because of an outdated ANZUS document.

Still avoiding that question I asked you there, greens-lose, any reason for that?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 3:25pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 2:35pm: thecuriousmail wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 2:05pm: Technology and strategy, I would have thought, could go a long way to overcoming the physical limitations (large coastline etc). ANZUS is not a guarantee. We may well find ourselves in a situation where american can't or won't send aid. And we have no plan B. Meanwhile, doing what we see as our part of the anzus obligation, thousands of australian soldiers have died for no other obvious reason across the world from jungles to deserts, and we continue along with the childish (and self-defeating) mentality that we have some kind of protector. Once again, anzus is not an unqualified guarantee of australian security. First up, hundreds, not thousands of Australians have died since the implementation of ANZUS. It would be a rare occurrence indeed for the US to not come running to protect their critical communications asset in the southern hemisphere. They may not help us if we invade or protect another country without their approval, but they would most definitely come running if we were invaded. Our government have shown endless cowardice when i comes to protecting smaller vulnerable nations in our region for this very reason. It is a situation we as a nation should be eternally ashamed of. Pine Gap & many other places are now targets for Kim Jong-Un.

That is why they in the middle of bum-fkk nowhere


North K will be a black glass car park within seconds of that fat idiot launching his first rocket. Good luck to him, if he wants to have a go.

sir bobby, "but they would most definitely come running if we were invaded."
You, indeed nobody, is in the position to say that as a matter of fact, as nobody can foresee all future situations. It is a choice america may or may not make, but assistance is not a given (if they are facing combined attack), and we have no plan B.
Superman may not come to save us little boys.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 2:59pm: Or Abbott. BEIJING (Reuters) - If North Korea launches an attack that threatens the United States then China should stay neutral, but if the United States attacks first and tries to overthrow North Korea's government China will stop them, a Chinese state-run newspaper said on Friday. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-media-idUSKBN1AR005 Mal has set up Australia for a war against China ... just because of an outdated ANZUS document. Still avoiding that question I asked you there, greens-lose, any reason for that?

Not your site. Your red herring questions hold no weight.

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 12:13pm:

It will not work.  Australia's land mass is too great for our small defense force to defend effectively.  We need the backing of a stronger military behind us.

I disagree, all we need to do is exactly what Nth Korea is doing. Develop Nuclear missiles and use them as a deterrent.


I do wonder how many "republic " supporters are happy to be rid of the queen but will want to stay under American protection? Hardly a strong  standing "on our two feet"  argument . :P

Swagman wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 2:54pm:

____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:07pm: Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader    I don't think Mal will ever back DiNatale

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


what a little man wally is....such a shame he has no charisma at all... a big fat NOTHING   his weedy little countenance comes onto my telly.   and I laugh I think its wheres Wally....and someones found him... :-[

to think he is a senator   its totally unbelievable   no wonder this country is caught in a revolving door...going nowhere......

maybe Wally thinks we should throw boomerangs at Nth Korea....then again we could send shy over....do we still have her on the payroll????.... >:( >:( >:(

we have got to be desperate for people to run for govt in this country....look what we have 

you wouldnt employ one of them if you owned a trolley collecting business  >:( >:( >:(

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 12:47pm:

____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:24pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:20pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:19pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:17pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:07pm: Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader into a conflict that could potentially end life on Earth as we know it". He called on Mr Turnbull to tell the President to "back off". "If there was an ever a clearer example of why Australia needs to ditch the US alliance and forge an independent, non-aligned foreign policy, this is it. Malcolm Turnbull now needs to pick up the phone, he needs to talk to Donald Trump and urge him to de-eascalate." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-will-join-the-conflict-if-north-korea-attacks-the-us-malcolm-turnbull-20170810-gxty5f.html Turnbull isn't backing Kim. Someone please tell Di Natale. Trump not mentally ill. That's a massive call ! I said Kim, not Trump. I know. Richard said about Trump and you implied Trump isn't mentally ill. Massive call on your part. Trump is an idiot with a colossal ego, but he isn't mentally ill.

Totally agree Armchair...  Kim is a paranoid psycho of vast ignorance.

Had to laugh at Trump's TWEET Fire and Furry....  just how dumb is that guy?

Anyhoo we need ANZUS more than the US needs us Lefty Progs.  Do try educating yourselves.  Much of our defence stands on this expectation or reciprocity. ::)

____ wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 12:07pm:

Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader into a conflict that could potentially end life on Earth as we know it". He called on Mr Turnbull to tell the President to "back off". "If there was an ever a clearer example of why Australia needs to ditch the US alliance and forge an independent, non-aligned foreign policy, this is it. Malcolm Turnbull now needs to pick up the phone, he needs to talk to Donald Trump and urge him to de-eascalate." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-will-join-the-conflict-if-north-korea-attacks-the-us-malcolm-turnbull-20170810-gxty5f.html

well said dick , you would think the conservatives would've learnt after howard and tony dumb dumb

Its time wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:07pm: Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader into a conflict that could potentially end life on Earth as we know it". He called on Mr Turnbull to tell the President to "back off". "If there was an ever a clearer example of why Australia needs to ditch the US alliance and forge an independent, non-aligned foreign policy, this is it. Malcolm Turnbull now needs to pick up the phone, he needs to talk to Donald Trump and urge him to de-eascalate." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-will-join-the-conflict-if-north-korea-attacks-the-us-malcolm-turnbull-20170810-gxty5f.html well said dick , you would think the conservatives would've learnt after howard and tony dumb dumb

Well named... Dick!
Trump may be an idiot, but the unhinged paranoid leader is Kim.

As for ending life on Earth...  there's that alarmist streak showing itself all over again. :D :D :D :D :D

Greeny Leftists crawling up communist arses......whats new?

____ wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 3:42pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 2:59pm: Or Abbott. BEIJING (Reuters) - If North Korea launches an attack that threatens the United States then China should stay neutral, but if the United States attacks first and tries to overthrow North Korea's government China will stop them, a Chinese state-run newspaper said on Friday. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-media-idUSKBN1AR005 Mal has set up Australia for a war against China ... just because of an outdated ANZUS document. Still avoiding that question I asked you there, greens-lose, any reason for that? Not your site. Your red herring questions hold no weight.

You you support de natale's demand to leave ANZUS but you consider the question of ongoing defence of Australia as a red herring, is that correct?


Looks like one little group of people don't like their simplistic idea tested through answering some basic questions.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It is a red herring so to avoid speaking of the obvious.


How does the government plan to pay for Turnbull's war against North Korea and China.

How many Troops will Turnbull send to conquer Beijing.

Losing our biggest export market, how is this invasion financed.

And when Turnbull speeds up the printing press so to pump out extra A$, that means everyone's super savings  shrink ... everyone's bank account has less buying power. Hyperinflation kicks in.

Will Turnbull come house to house and confiscate gold jewellery?

How will Turnbull's madness be paid for?

And on a side issue. Trump Attacks, China joins in. What's stopping Russia from joining as well.

Chinese and Russian nukes destroying Australian Cities and the people within.


US military is 'locked and loaded': Trump's latest warning to North Korea

Donald Trump


http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-military-is-locked-and-loaded-trumps-latest-warning-to-north-korea-20170811-gxupv2.html

____ wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 12:51pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:47pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:24pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:20pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:19pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:17pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:07pm: Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader into a conflict that could potentially end life on Earth as we know it". He called on Mr Turnbull to tell the President to "back off". "If there was an ever a clearer example of why Australia needs to ditch the US alliance and forge an independent, non-aligned foreign policy, this is it. Malcolm Turnbull now needs to pick up the phone, he needs to talk to Donald Trump and urge him to de-eascalate." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-will-join-the-conflict-if-north-korea-attacks-the-us-malcolm-turnbull-20170810-gxty5f.html Turnbull isn't backing Kim. Someone please tell Di Natale. Trump not mentally ill. That's a massive call ! I said Kim, not Trump. I know. Richard said about Trump and you implied Trump isn't mentally ill. Massive call on your part. Trump is an idiot with a colossal ego, but he is'n't mentally ill. You're qualification to diagnose are ?

Two and a half years working with mentally ill people in a special care facility.

As PK said , cut the cord with murica

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 7:55am:

____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:51pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:47pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:24pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:20pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:19pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:17pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:07pm: Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader into a conflict that could potentially end life on Earth as we know it". He called on Mr Turnbull to tell the President to "back off". "If there was an ever a clearer example of why Australia needs to ditch the US alliance and forge an independent, non-aligned foreign policy, this is it. Malcolm Turnbull now needs to pick up the phone, he needs to talk to Donald Trump and urge him to de-eascalate." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-will-join-the-conflict-if-north-korea-attacks-the-us-malcolm-turnbull-20170810-gxty5f.html Turnbull isn't backing Kim. Someone please tell Di Natale. Trump not mentally ill. That's a massive call ! I said Kim, not Trump. I know. Richard said about Trump and you implied Trump isn't mentally ill. Massive call on your part. Trump is an idiot with a colossal ego, but he is'n't mentally ill. You're qualification to diagnose are ? Two and a half years working with mentally ill people in a special care facility.

Being a patient doesn't mean working at the institution  :-?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 7:55am:

____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:51pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:47pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:24pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:20pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:19pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:17pm: ____ wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:07pm: Greens leader Richard Di Natale said "the last thing we need here is a Prime Minister backing an unhinged and paranoid leader into a conflict that could potentially end life on Earth as we know it". He called on Mr Turnbull to tell the President to "back off". "If there was an ever a clearer example of why Australia needs to ditch the US alliance and forge an independent, non-aligned foreign policy, this is it. Malcolm Turnbull now needs to pick up the phone, he needs to talk to Donald Trump and urge him to de-eascalate." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-will-join-the-conflict-if-north-korea-attacks-the-us-malcolm-turnbull-20170810-gxty5f.html Turnbull isn't backing Kim. Someone please tell Di Natale. Trump not mentally ill. That's a massive call ! I said Kim, not Trump. I know. Richard said about Trump and you implied Trump isn't mentally ill. Massive call on your part. Trump is an idiot with a colossal ego, but he is'n't mentally ill. You're qualification to diagnose are ? Two and a half years working with mentally ill people in a special care facility.

Patients have access to computers.

____ wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 6:56am:

It is a red herring so to avoid speaking of the obvious. How does the government plan to pay for Turnbull's war against North Korea and China. How many Troops will Turnbull send to conquer Beijing. Losing our biggest export market, how is this invasion financed. And when Turnbull speeds up the printing press so to pump out extra A$, that means everyone's super savings  shrink ... everyone's bank account has less buying power. Hyperinflation kicks in. Will Turnbull come house to house and confiscate gold jewellery? How will Turnbull's madness be paid for? And on a side issue. Trump Attacks, China joins in. What's stopping Russia from joining as well. Chinese and Russian nukes destroying Australian Cities and the people within. US military is 'locked and loaded': Trump's latest warning to North Korea Donald Trump http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-military-is-locked-and-loaded-trumps-latest-warning-to-north-korea-20170811-gxupv2.html

None of that is a certainty and we will only do what is required of us, some would say what you have said is pure speculation


However now ask the same question when we are all alone in the same world you just described, because that will be our reality once we leave ANZUS.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 7:55am:

Two and a half years working with mentally ill people in a special care facility.

wiping their arse doesn't make you a doctor you fool.

Bah, just greens trying to act important.

We don’t have to toady to the US but that is a very different thing to dumping ANZUS.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 8:25am:

____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 6:56am: It is a red herring so to avoid speaking of the obvious. How does the government plan to pay for Turnbull's war against North Korea and China. How many Troops will Turnbull send to conquer Beijing. Losing our biggest export market, how is this invasion financed. And when Turnbull speeds up the printing press so to pump out extra A$, that means everyone's super savings  shrink ... everyone's bank account has less buying power. Hyperinflation kicks in. Will Turnbull come house to house and confiscate gold jewellery? How will Turnbull's madness be paid for? And on a side issue. Trump Attacks, China joins in. What's stopping Russia from joining as well. Chinese and Russian nukes destroying Australian Cities and the people within. US military is 'locked and loaded': Trump's latest warning to North Korea Donald Trump http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-military-is-locked-and-loaded-trumps-latest-warning-to-north-korea-20170811-gxupv2.html None of that is a certainty and we will only do what is required of us, some would say what you have said is pure speculation However now ask the same question when we are all alone in the same world you just described, because that will be our reality once we leave ANZUS.

Quote:

only do what is require of us

includes waging war against China, our largest trading partner.

No trade, no income.
Country collapses.

We start speaking Mandarine and move to camps to hand dig for ore.

Is it really worth giving all our power away to another country, ruled by a madman Trump, to make our decisions.

And you criticise people who are choosing to stand on our own feet and making our own decisions.


You Sir, are a coward.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 8:29am:

Bah, just greens trying to act important. We don’t have to toady to the US but that is a very different thing to dumping ANZUS.

Didn't Labor screw over East Timor just to be in the US's pocket.

Dumping The ANZUS Treaty

and just watch China and Indonesia walk right in  :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 9:08am:

Dumping The ANZUS Treaty and just watch China and Indonesia walk right in  :D :D :D

Why hasn't China walked into Taiwan ... ANZUS ?

____ wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 8:36am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:25am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 6:56am: It is a red herring so to avoid speaking of the obvious. How does the government plan to pay for Turnbull's war against North Korea and China. How many Troops will Turnbull send to conquer Beijing. Losing our biggest export market, how is this invasion financed. And when Turnbull speeds up the printing press so to pump out extra A$, that means everyone's super savings  shrink ... everyone's bank account has less buying power. Hyperinflation kicks in. Will Turnbull come house to house and confiscate gold jewellery? How will Turnbull's madness be paid for? And on a side issue. Trump Attacks, China joins in. What's stopping Russia from joining as well. Chinese and Russian nukes destroying Australian Cities and the people within. US military is 'locked and loaded': Trump's latest warning to North Korea Donald Trump http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-military-is-locked-and-loaded-trumps-latest-warning-to-north-korea-20170811-gxupv2.html None of that is a certainty and we will only do what is required of us, some would say what you have said is pure speculation However now ask the same question when we are all alone in the same world you just described, because that will be our reality once we leave ANZUS. Quote: only do what is require of us includes waging war against China, our largest trading partner. No trade, no income. Country collapses. We start speaking Mandarine and move to camps to hand dig for ore. Is it really worth giving all our power away to another country, ruled by a madman Trump, to make our decisions. And you criticise people who are choosing to stand on our own feet and making our own decisions. You Sir, are a coward.

I asked how you and de natale were going to achieve that, I have criticised your lack of response.

So feel free to answer the question.


I already have one fkkwit using ad hominum to try and distract me, you missed your chance.

____ wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 9:12am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:08am: Dumping The ANZUS Treaty and just watch China and Indonesia walk right in  :D :D :D Why hasn't China walked into Taiwan ... ANZUS ?

you fool ... without the yanks supporting taiwan China would have walked in decades ago

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 9:17am:

____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:36am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:25am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 6:56am: It is a red herring so to avoid speaking of the obvious. How does the government plan to pay for Turnbull's war against North Korea and China. How many Troops will Turnbull send to conquer Beijing. Losing our biggest export market, how is this invasion financed. And when Turnbull speeds up the printing press so to pump out extra A$, that means everyone's super savings  shrink ... everyone's bank account has less buying power. Hyperinflation kicks in. Will Turnbull come house to house and confiscate gold jewellery? How will Turnbull's madness be paid for? And on a side issue. Trump Attacks, China joins in. What's stopping Russia from joining as well. Chinese and Russian nukes destroying Australian Cities and the people within. US military is 'locked and loaded': Trump's latest warning to North Korea Donald Trump http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-military-is-locked-and-loaded-trumps-latest-warning-to-north-korea-20170811-gxupv2.html None of that is a certainty and we will only do what is required of us, some would say what you have said is pure speculation However now ask the same question when we are all alone in the same world you just described, because that will be our reality once we leave ANZUS. Quote: only do what is require of us includes waging war against China, our largest trading partner. No trade, no income. Country collapses. We start speaking Mandarine and move to camps to hand dig for ore. Is it really worth giving all our power away to another country, ruled by a madman Trump, to make our decisions. And you criticise people who are choosing to stand on our own feet and making our own decisions. You Sir, are a coward. I asked how you and de natale were going to achieve that, I have criticised your lack of response. So feel free to answer the question. I already have one fkkwit using ad hominum to try and distract me, you missed your chance.

You're like a child asking .. "are we are there yet".

Meanwhile with giving all the power to Trump, you claim "we will do what is required".

You are giving the current path all the flexibility while refusing to give any flexibility to a path without ANZUS.



The path out of ANZUS will be revealed in a timeframe where Australia's enemies knowledge of it does not advantage them over Australia ... and the Australian population understand dumping ANZUS is the more productive path.

John Smith wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 9:19am:

____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:12am: John Smith wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:08am: Dumping The ANZUS Treaty and just watch China and Indonesia walk right in  :D :D :D Why hasn't China walked into Taiwan ... ANZUS ? you fool ... without the yanks supporting taiwan China would have walked in decades ago

You Fool.
Invading Taiwan undermines China's argument it's a part of China. You don't invade yourself.


Ok Fool. Q2
Mongola ?
Why hasn't China walked in. America?

____ wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 9:41am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:19am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:12am: John Smith wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:08am: Dumping The ANZUS Treaty and just watch China and Indonesia walk right in  :D :D :D Why hasn't China walked into Taiwan ... ANZUS ? you fool ... without the yanks supporting taiwan China would have walked in decades ago You Fool. Invading Taiwan undermines China's argument it's a part of China. You don't invade yourself. Ok Fool. Q2 Mongola ? Why hasn't China walked in. America?

Fool. They wouldn't call it an invasion, they'd just claim they're moving their troops onto their territory

Fool 2.
China has never claimed Mongolia is Chinese territory and Mongolia was protected by the russians.

John Smith wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 9:48am:

____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:41am: John Smith wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:19am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:12am: John Smith wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:08am: Dumping The ANZUS Treaty and just watch China and Indonesia walk right in  :D :D :D Why hasn't China walked into Taiwan ... ANZUS ? you fool ... without the yanks supporting taiwan China would have walked in decades ago You Fool. Invading Taiwan undermines China's argument it's a part of China. You don't invade yourself. Ok Fool. Q2 Mongola ? Why hasn't China walked in. America? Fool. They wouldn't call it an invasion, they'd just claim they're moving their troops onto their territory Fool 2. China has never claimed Mongolia is Chinese territory and Mongolia was protected by the russians.

China hasn't claimed Australia as Chinese Territory.
And shifting protection responsibility from Britain to US to Australia = you believing Australia can't get on in the new global economy and defend herself in it.

That's because you are ignorant and undervalue Australian's ability to rise to new challenges.

Understandable then why you back Bill Shorten. Someone scared of his own shadow.

____ wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 9:38am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:17am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:36am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:25am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 6:56am: It is a red herring so to avoid speaking of the obvious. How does the government plan to pay for Turnbull's war against North Korea and China. How many Troops will Turnbull send to conquer Beijing. Losing our biggest export market, how is this invasion financed. And when Turnbull speeds up the printing press so to pump out extra A$, that means everyone's super savings  shrink ... everyone's bank account has less buying power. Hyperinflation kicks in. Will Turnbull come house to house and confiscate gold jewellery? How will Turnbull's madness be paid for? And on a side issue. Trump Attacks, China joins in. What's stopping Russia from joining as well. Chinese and Russian nukes destroying Australian Cities and the people within. US military is 'locked and loaded': Trump's latest warning to North Korea Donald Trump http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-military-is-locked-and-loaded-trumps-latest-warning-to-north-korea-20170811-gxupv2.html None of that is a certainty and we will only do what is required of us, some would say what you have said is pure speculation However now ask the same question when we are all alone in the same world you just described, because that will be our reality once we leave ANZUS. Quote: only do what is require of us includes waging war against China, our largest trading partner. No trade, no income. Country collapses. We start speaking Mandarine and move to camps to hand dig for ore. Is it really worth giving all our power away to another country, ruled by a madman Trump, to make our decisions. And you criticise people who are choosing to stand on our own feet and making our own decisions. You Sir, are a coward. I asked how you and de natale were going to achieve that, I have criticised your lack of response. So feel free to answer the question. I already have one fkkwit using ad hominum to try and distract me, you missed your chance. You're like a child asking .. "are we are there yet". Meanwhile with giving all the power to Trump, you claim "we will do what is required". You are giving the current path all the flexibility while refusing to give any flexibility to a path without ANZUS. The path out of ANZUS will be revealed in a timeframe where Australia's enemies knowledge of it does not advantage them over Australia ... and the Australian population understand dumping ANZUS is the more productive path.

So now the Australian population is well aware of the defence requirements of going alone without any defence partners, do they?


So anyone including yourself should be able to explain what that would be, shouldn't you?



So what are the defence implications for Australia if it dumps ANZUS?


The current Australian defence budget is $34.7 bil and without any future assistance from the US what will we need to increase that budget to, so we can remain secure in this increasingly dangerous world?

Not fair asking a green fairy hard questions BigOle   ;D

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 10:29am:

Not fair asking a green fairy hard questions BigOle   ;D

De natale and the greens are adamant Australia should abandon our security partners to go it alone, so they must have thought about the defence implications; it would be incredibly stupid thing to say otherwise.

Im just asking their head cheerleader greens_lose how those defence implications would be managed.


Seems pretty simple and some would say important question to ask.  :) :)

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 10:26am:

____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:38am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:17am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:36am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:25am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 6:56am: It is a red herring so to avoid speaking of the obvious. How does the government plan to pay for Turnbull's war against North Korea and China. How many Troops will Turnbull send to conquer Beijing. Losing our biggest export market, how is this invasion financed. And when Turnbull speeds up the printing press so to pump out extra A$, that means everyone's super savings  shrink ... everyone's bank account has less buying power. Hyperinflation kicks in. Will Turnbull come house to house and confiscate gold jewellery? How will Turnbull's madness be paid for? And on a side issue. Trump Attacks, China joins in. What's stopping Russia from joining as well. Chinese and Russian nukes destroying Australian Cities and the people within. US military is 'locked and loaded': Trump's latest warning to North Korea Donald Trump http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-military-is-locked-and-loaded-trumps-latest-warning-to-north-korea-20170811-gxupv2.html None of that is a certainty and we will only do what is required of us, some would say what you have said is pure speculation However now ask the same question when we are all alone in the same world you just described, because that will be our reality once we leave ANZUS. Quote: only do what is require of us includes waging war against China, our largest trading partner. No trade, no income. Country collapses. We start speaking Mandarine and move to camps to hand dig for ore. Is it really worth giving all our power away to another country, ruled by a madman Trump, to make our decisions. And you criticise people who are choosing to stand on our own feet and making our own decisions. You Sir, are a coward. I asked how you and de natale were going to achieve that, I have criticised your lack of response. So feel free to answer the question. I already have one fkkwit using ad hominum to try and distract me, you missed your chance. You're like a child asking .. "are we are there yet". Meanwhile with giving all the power to Trump, you claim "we will do what is required". You are giving the current path all the flexibility while refusing to give any flexibility to a path without ANZUS. The path out of ANZUS will be revealed in a timeframe where Australia's enemies knowledge of it does not advantage them over Australia ... and the Australian population understand dumping ANZUS is the more productive path. So now the Australian population is well aware of the defence requirements of going alone without any defence partners, do they? So anyone including yourself should be able to explain what that would be, shouldn't you? So what are the defence implications for Australia if it dumps ANZUS? The current Australian defence budget is $34.7 bil and without any future assistance from the US what will we need to increase that budget to, so we can remain secure in this increasingly dangerous world?

Who said we will not have defence partners?
Independence means we call the shots, not America.
Trump at one stage was willing to cut loose Japan and South Korea. This religious belief that unlike the British, who were happy for Australia to fall to the Japanese, that the Americans are going to care about Australia falling to China.

No where have the Americans given us a guarantee to defend us against a Chinese invasion.


And as for the defence budget you speak of.
How is that financed without trade.
Printing presses, taking of bank account balances, and hyper inflation?

Is it not prudent to contemplate a Plan B?
There are defence white papers every few years, yet no public discussion or expert planning or option evaluation moving forward. That this is the case is a serious mistake.

What the ANZUS treaty means in reality

The treaty requires each signatory to "consult together" (Article III) and "act to meet the common danger in accordance with its constitutional processes" (Article IV).

Professor Hugh White, a former senior defence department official and adviser to Labor prime minister Bob Hawke, tells Fact Check there are a lot of questions about what "act" means. "It doesn't necessarily mean military action," he says.

We are not legally obliged by the treaty to send forces.

That's a view shared by Rory Medcalf, director of the International Security Program at the Lowy Institute, a Sydney policy think tank, who is a member of the expert panel advising the Abbott Government on its 2015 defence white paper. "Technically, the ANZUS treaty requires the parties to consult in the event of a threat to one of them, rather than to automatically come to the other's assistance," he tells Fact Check.

And Dr John Blaxland, senior fellow at Australian National University's Strategic and Defence Studies Centre, agrees the wording of the ANZUS treaty does not guarantee military intervention by the United States in Australia's defence.

____ wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 10:49am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:26am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:38am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:17am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:36am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:25am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 6:56am: It is a red herring so to avoid speaking of the obvious. How does the government plan to pay for Turnbull's war against North Korea and China. How many Troops will Turnbull send to conquer Beijing. Losing our biggest export market, how is this invasion financed. And when Turnbull speeds up the printing press so to pump out extra A$, that means everyone's super savings  shrink ... everyone's bank account has less buying power. Hyperinflation kicks in. Will Turnbull come house to house and confiscate gold jewellery? How will Turnbull's madness be paid for? And on a side issue. Trump Attacks, China joins in. What's stopping Russia from joining as well. Chinese and Russian nukes destroying Australian Cities and the people within. US military is 'locked and loaded': Trump's latest warning to North Korea Donald Trump http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-military-is-locked-and-loaded-trumps-latest-warning-to-north-korea-20170811-gxupv2.html None of that is a certainty and we will only do what is required of us, some would say what you have said is pure speculation However now ask the same question when we are all alone in the same world you just described, because that will be our reality once we leave ANZUS. Quote: only do what is require of us includes waging war against China, our largest trading partner. No trade, no income. Country collapses. We start speaking Mandarine and move to camps to hand dig for ore. Is it really worth giving all our power away to another country, ruled by a madman Trump, to make our decisions. And you criticise people who are choosing to stand on our own feet and making our own decisions. You Sir, are a coward. I asked how you and de natale were going to achieve that, I have criticised your lack of response. So feel free to answer the question. I already have one fkkwit using ad hominum to try and distract me, you missed your chance. You're like a child asking .. "are we are there yet". Meanwhile with giving all the power to Trump, you claim "we will do what is required". You are giving the current path all the flexibility while refusing to give any flexibility to a path without ANZUS. The path out of ANZUS will be revealed in a timeframe where Australia's enemies knowledge of it does not advantage them over Australia ... and the Australian population understand dumping ANZUS is the more productive path. So now the Australian population is well aware of the defence requirements of going alone without any defence partners, do they? So anyone including yourself should be able to explain what that would be, shouldn't you? So what are the defence implications for Australia if it dumps ANZUS? The current Australian defence budget is $34.7 bil and without any future assistance from the US what will we need to increase that budget to, so we can remain secure in this increasingly dangerous world? Who said we will not have defence partners? Independence means we call the shots, not America. Trump at one stage was willing to cut loose Japan and South Korea. This religious belief that unlike the British, who were happy for Australia to fall to the Japanese, that the Americans are going to care about Australia falling to China. No where have the Americans given us a guarantee to defend us against a Chinese invasion. And as for the defence budget you speak of. How is that financed without trade. Printing presses, taking of bank account balances, and hyper inflation?

Stop obfuscating and just answer the question.


Don't post trade partners as defence partners, don't pretend that anyone will want to partner up with us when we so easily leave partnerships.

And it is the greens that need to find the billions and billions of extra defence dollars to make up for the fact they want us to go alone.


China has never even looked at us sideways let alone been threatening to attack us, so drop all this horse sh1t and answer the fkken question I posed fkken yesterday

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 11:59am:

____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:49am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:26am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:38am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:17am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:36am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:25am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 6:56am: It is a red herring so to avoid speaking of the obvious. How does the government plan to pay for Turnbull's war against North Korea and China. How many Troops will Turnbull send to conquer Beijing. Losing our biggest export market, how is this invasion financed. And when Turnbull speeds up the printing press so to pump out extra A$, that means everyone's super savings  shrink ... everyone's bank account has less buying power. Hyperinflation kicks in. Will Turnbull come house to house and confiscate gold jewellery? How will Turnbull's madness be paid for? And on a side issue. Trump Attacks, China joins in. What's stopping Russia from joining as well. Chinese and Russian nukes destroying Australian Cities and the people within. US military is 'locked and loaded': Trump's latest warning to North Korea Donald Trump http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-military-is-locked-and-loaded-trumps-latest-warning-to-north-korea-20170811-gxupv2.html None of that is a certainty and we will only do what is required of us, some would say what you have said is pure speculation However now ask the same question when we are all alone in the same world you just described, because that will be our reality once we leave ANZUS. Quote: only do what is require of us includes waging war against China, our largest trading partner. No trade, no income. Country collapses. We start speaking Mandarine and move to camps to hand dig for ore. Is it really worth giving all our power away to another country, ruled by a madman Trump, to make our decisions. And you criticise people who are choosing to stand on our own feet and making our own decisions. You Sir, are a coward. I asked how you and de natale were going to achieve that, I have criticised your lack of response. So feel free to answer the question. I already have one fkkwit using ad hominum to try and distract me, you missed your chance. You're like a child asking .. "are we are there yet". Meanwhile with giving all the power to Trump, you claim "we will do what is required". You are giving the current path all the flexibility while refusing to give any flexibility to a path without ANZUS. The path out of ANZUS will be revealed in a timeframe where Australia's enemies knowledge of it does not advantage them over Australia ... and the Australian population understand dumping ANZUS is the more productive path. So now the Australian population is well aware of the defence requirements of going alone without any defence partners, do they? So anyone including yourself should be able to explain what that would be, shouldn't you? So what are the defence implications for Australia if it dumps ANZUS? The current Australian defence budget is $34.7 bil and without any future assistance from the US what will we need to increase that budget to, so we can remain secure in this increasingly dangerous world? Who said we will not have defence partners? Independence means we call the shots, not America. Trump at one stage was willing to cut loose Japan and South Korea. This religious belief that unlike the British, who were happy for Australia to fall to the Japanese, that the Americans are going to care about Australia falling to China. No where have the Americans given us a guarantee to defend us against a Chinese invasion. And as for the defence budget you speak of. How is that financed without trade. Printing presses, taking of bank account balances, and hyper inflation? Stop obfuscating and just answer the question. Don't post trade partners as defence partners, don't pretend that anyone will want to partner up with us when we so easily leave partnerships. And it is the greens that need to find the billions and billions of extra defence dollars to make up for the fact they want us to go alone. China has never even looked at us sideways let alone been threatening to attack us, so drop all this horse sh1t and answer the fkken question I posed fkken yesterday

Turnbull just committed to fighting China.
And for nothing in return.


You don't think the Chinese consulate notice TV coverage Turnbull chest beating himself about invading China ... and got back to Beijing about it !

Bill Clinton made this mess:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TcbU5jAavw

____ wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 12:37pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:59am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:49am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:26am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:38am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:17am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:36am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:25am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 6:56am: It is a red herring so to avoid speaking of the obvious. How does the government plan to pay for Turnbull's war against North Korea and China. How many Troops will Turnbull send to conquer Beijing. Losing our biggest export market, how is this invasion financed. And when Turnbull speeds up the printing press so to pump out extra A$, that means everyone's super savings  shrink ... everyone's bank account has less buying power. Hyperinflation kicks in. Will Turnbull come house to house and confiscate gold jewellery? How will Turnbull's madness be paid for? And on a side issue. Trump Attacks, China joins in. What's stopping Russia from joining as well. Chinese and Russian nukes destroying Australian Cities and the people within. US military is 'locked and loaded': Trump's latest warning to North Korea Donald Trump http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-military-is-locked-and-loaded-trumps-latest-warning-to-north-korea-20170811-gxupv2.html None of that is a certainty and we will only do what is required of us, some would say what you have said is pure speculation However now ask the same question when we are all alone in the same world you just described, because that will be our reality once we leave ANZUS. Quote: only do what is require of us includes waging war against China, our largest trading partner. No trade, no income. Country collapses. We start speaking Mandarine and move to camps to hand dig for ore. Is it really worth giving all our power away to another country, ruled by a madman Trump, to make our decisions. And you criticise people who are choosing to stand on our own feet and making our own decisions. You Sir, are a coward. I asked how you and de natale were going to achieve that, I have criticised your lack of response. So feel free to answer the question. I already have one fkkwit using ad hominum to try and distract me, you missed your chance. You're like a child asking .. "are we are there yet". Meanwhile with giving all the power to Trump, you claim "we will do what is required". You are giving the current path all the flexibility while refusing to give any flexibility to a path without ANZUS. The path out of ANZUS will be revealed in a timeframe where Australia's enemies knowledge of it does not advantage them over Australia ... and the Australian population understand dumping ANZUS is the more productive path. So now the Australian population is well aware of the defence requirements of going alone without any defence partners, do they? So anyone including yourself should be able to explain what that would be, shouldn't you? So what are the defence implications for Australia if it dumps ANZUS? The current Australian defence budget is $34.7 bil and without any future assistance from the US what will we need to increase that budget to, so we can remain secure in this increasingly dangerous world? Who said we will not have defence partners? Independence means we call the shots, not America. Trump at one stage was willing to cut loose Japan and South Korea. This religious belief that unlike the British, who were happy for Australia to fall to the Japanese, that the Americans are going to care about Australia falling to China. No where have the Americans given us a guarantee to defend us against a Chinese invasion. And as for the defence budget you speak of. How is that financed without trade. Printing presses, taking of bank account balances, and hyper inflation? Stop obfuscating and just answer the question. Don't post trade partners as defence partners, don't pretend that anyone will want to partner up with us when we so easily leave partnerships. And it is the greens that need to find the billions and billions of extra defence dollars to make up for the fact they want us to go alone. China has never even looked at us sideways let alone been threatening to attack us, so drop all this horse sh1t and answer the fkken question I posed fkken yesterday Turnbull just committed to fighting China. And for nothing in return. You don't think the Chinese consulate notice TV coverage Turnbull chest beating himself about invading China ... and got back to Beijing about it !

Not even an attempt to answer the question just more horse sh1t and distractions


Give up and just admit nether you or that idiot di natale have any idea about ANZUS or Australia's defence needs.

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Not even an attempt to answer the question just more horse sh1t and distractions

____ wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 9:57am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:48am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:41am: John Smith wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:19am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:12am: John Smith wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:08am: Dumping The ANZUS Treaty and just watch China and Indonesia walk right in  :D :D :D Why hasn't China walked into Taiwan ... ANZUS ? you fool ... without the yanks supporting taiwan China would have walked in decades ago You Fool. Invading Taiwan undermines China's argument it's a part of China. You don't invade yourself. Ok Fool. Q2 Mongola ? Why hasn't China walked in. America? Fool. They wouldn't call it an invasion, they'd just claim they're moving their troops onto their territory Fool 2. China has never claimed Mongolia is Chinese territory and Mongolia was protected by the russians. China hasn't claimed Australia as Chinese Territory. And shifting protection responsibility from Britain to US to Australia = you believing Australia can't get on in the new global economy and defend herself in it. That's because you are ignorant and undervalue Australian's ability to rise to new challenges. Understandable then why you back Bill Shorten. Someone scared of his own shadow.

your white flag has been accepted ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 5:11pm:

____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:57am: John Smith wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:48am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:41am: John Smith wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:19am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:12am: John Smith wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:08am: Dumping The ANZUS Treaty and just watch China and Indonesia walk right in  :D :D :D Why hasn't China walked into Taiwan ... ANZUS ? you fool ... without the yanks supporting taiwan China would have walked in decades ago You Fool. Invading Taiwan undermines China's argument it's a part of China. You don't invade yourself. Ok Fool. Q2 Mongola ? Why hasn't China walked in. America? Fool. They wouldn't call it an invasion, they'd just claim they're moving their troops onto their territory Fool 2. China has never claimed Mongolia is Chinese territory and Mongolia was protected by the russians. China hasn't claimed Australia as Chinese Territory. And shifting protection responsibility from Britain to US to Australia = you believing Australia can't get on in the new global economy and defend herself in it. That's because you are ignorant and undervalue Australian's ability to rise to new challenges. Understandable then why you back Bill Shorten. Someone scared of his own shadow. your white flag has been accepted ;D ;D

That's not a white flag you are holding. It's toilet paper, so to wipe the shite off your chin with

____ wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 6:05pm:

That's not a white flag you are holding.

I know

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 12:13pm:

It will not work.  Australia's land mass is too great for our small defense force to defend effectively.  We need the backing of a stronger military behind us.

We have a large land mass of mostly desert. Our cities are filled with branches of the army navy and air force. If we were attacked, it would be a costly campaign for the invading military to get around and attack major centres. Darwin, Perth, and a few Western Australian and North Queensland towns would be threatened.

Relying on the United States is like relying on the weather to rain to break the drought. Only if circumstances are favourable for it to happen will the possibility occur. I think the United States would rather us be some Asian backwater nation to exploit. They don't give a damn about 20 million white people.

____ wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 1:54pm:

Not even an attempt to answer the question just more horse sh1t and distractions

Answer mine from two days ago and then I will answer your questions.  :) :) :)


So off you go

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 13^th, 2017 at 7:01am:

____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 1:54pm: Not even an attempt to answer the question just more horse sh1t and distractions Answer mine from two days ago and then I will answer your questions.  :) :) :) So off you go

Not here to play your childish games.

____ wrote on Aug 13^th, 2017 at 10:35am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 7:01am: ____ wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 1:54pm: Not even an attempt to answer the question just more horse sh1t and distractions Answer mine from two days ago and then I will answer your questions.  :) :) :) So off you go Not here to play your childish games.

What is childish about asking what the greens intend to do about the serious defence gap left behind after they destroy our defence relationships with the US & NZ?


If you could detail where is it childish to ask for some details on how the greens intend to ensure our ongoing security in an increasingly dangerous world if we abandon one of the greatest defence relationships we as a country have ever had.


I doubt you would get a more adult question considering the petulance of the proposal by the greens leader, wouldn't you say?


So if you would answer my question from 3 days ago, that would be just peachy.  :) :)

Don’t hold your breath, BigOle.

____ wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 1:54pm:

Not even an attempt to answer the question just more horse sh1t and distractions

Been answered pages ago...  you obviously don't read much. :D