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CZECHS WRITING OWN SECOND AMENDMENT TO COMBAT ISLAMIC TERROR The Czech Republic is on track to re-enact constitutional gun rights in response to recent terror attacks and the migrant crisis in Europe. The Czech lower chamber approved a bill on Wednesday to strengthen gun ownership not long after the Eastern European country strengthened its border security to repel an influx of Muslim migrants. Both actions are in defiance of the EU which is pressuring member-states to take in more migrants and tighten their gun control laws.  :o The bill recognizes the rights of citizens to use their privately-owned firearms to defend the security of the country, and the Czech Republic is already one of the most gun friendly countries in Europe. “This constitutional bill is in reaction to the recent increase of security threats, especially the danger of violent acts such as isolated terrorist attacks… active attackers or other violent hybrid threats,” the bill stated. The bill now heads to the Czech upper chamber where, once approved, it will go to President Milos Zeman for his signature. Zeman is expected to sign; the bill was his brainchild, “Earlier I spoke often about limiting the ability to have large quantities of weapons. But after the terrorist attacks, I have changed the idea,” he said at the time. The EU’s European Commission spent the past several months drafting stricter gun rules opposed by the Czech Republic, Luxembourg and Poland. Zeman also spearheaded the sealing of the Czech border to combat illegal immigration alongside nearby Hungary, which has reportedly electrified its double-sided fence on the Hungarian-Serbian border despite demands from the EU to stand down. This open defiance of the EU by Eastern European nations reveals the crumbling influence the unelected bureaucracy has on member-nations.

as I have said before...

its very nearly time Australians to arm themselves...

our governments have betrayed us and disarmed us..

they won't protect us and they won't allow us to do the job ourselves...

its happening all around the world and you have to ask why?

so now we see the fightback... !!

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 6:42am:

as I have said before... its very nearly time Australians to arm themselves... our governments have betrayed us and disarmed us.. they won't protect us and they won't allow us to do the job ourselves... its happening all around the world and you have to ask why? so now we see the fightback... !!

Mechanic,

Here in Australia, it is not lawful for an ordinary citizen to [make preparation to] have or to use any object as a weapon.

True.

e.g.
If you were to have a mattock handle beside your bed, in your own bedroom, and if [during a search of your home] a police officer discovered that mattock handle and asked you why you had the mattock handle there,           ......if you told the police officer that you had the mattock handle there for 'protection' at night [in case of a home invasion],          the police officer would certainly confiscate the mattock handle, and he may even charge you for holding it there, for that purpose.

True.


You see......
Our own government(s) want to retain to itself [exclusively], the right to kill people [i.e. in self defence].

n.b.
The police [and other armed agents of the government], are the servants and protectors of government [i.e. the political state].

The police have no legal obligation, or legal responsibility, for the protection [from malicious harm] of any individual citizen.

e.g.
If you receive threats of harm, from a particular identified source, the police 'service' are under no legal obligation to protect you,
......unless of course, if you were someone like, a government minister.



Q.
Do you, as a peaceable and law abiding citizen believe that our government(s) should have the right, to prevent you from effectively defending yourself and your loved ones, from violent criminals.

Well, many people apparently are OK with that circumstance.






Quote:

"Right is only in question between equals, and while the strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must."

- Thucydides (460-400 B.C.) Greek Historian



[this opinion came out of America]
It is NOT the function of the police to protect you.

The Supreme Court of the United States has said this more than once.

Without the ability to protect ourselves, we are?
......helpless slaves.



.



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they can do what they like...

anyone tries to break into my home will suffer the consequences...

a louisville slugger #7 to the head...  >:(

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 6:40am:

Quote: CZECHS WRITING OWN SECOND AMENDMENT TO COMBAT ISLAMIC TERROR The Czech Republic is on track to re-enact constitutional gun rights in response to recent terror attacks and the migrant crisis in Europe. The Czech lower chamber approved a bill on Wednesday to strengthen gun ownership not long after the Eastern European country strengthened its border security to repel an influx of Muslim migrants. Both actions are in defiance of the EU which is pressuring member-states to take in more migrants and tighten their gun control laws.  :o The bill recognizes the rights of citizens to use their privately-owned firearms to defend the security of the country, and the Czech Republic is already one of the most gun friendly countries in Europe. “This constitutional bill is in reaction to the recent increase of security threats, especially the danger of violent acts such as isolated terrorist attacks… active attackers or other violent hybrid threats,” the bill stated. The bill now heads to the Czech upper chamber where, once approved, it will go to President Milos Zeman for his signature. Zeman is expected to sign; the bill was his brainchild, “Earlier I spoke often about limiting the ability to have large quantities of weapons. But after the terrorist attacks, I have changed the idea,” he said at the time. The EU’s European Commission spent the past several months drafting stricter gun rules opposed by the Czech Republic, Luxembourg and Poland. Zeman also spearheaded the sealing of the Czech border to combat illegal immigration alongside nearby Hungary, which has reportedly electrified its double-sided fence on the Hungarian-Serbian border despite demands from the EU to stand down. This open defiance of the EU by Eastern European nations reveals the crumbling influence the unelected bureaucracy has on member-nations.

Congrats

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 6:40am:

Quote: CZECHS WRITING OWN SECOND AMENDMENT TO COMBAT ISLAMIC TERROR The Czech Republic is on track to re-enact constitutional gun rights in response to recent terror attacks and the migrant crisis in Europe. The Czech lower chamber approved a bill on Wednesday to strengthen gun ownership not long after the Eastern European country strengthened its border security to repel an influx of Muslim migrants.

Looks like someone is going to have a bad day, once the population can protect itself  :) :)

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The Czech republic is ranked the 6th safest country in the world, they allow concealed carry along with all the guns the bed wetting hoplophobes want banned.The Czechs make some pretty good guns.

New Zealand hasn't had a mass shooting since 1997 despite allowing all the semi auto rifles and shotguns we banned in 1996, it's easier to buy a sound moderator (silencer for the dim wits) in NZ than the USA.

NZ is ranked number 2 for safest countries in the world despite allowing semi auto rifles with sound moderators, the bed wetting hoplophobes ignore this fact they point to the USA to use fear to push gun grabbing despite the fact our culture is closer to NZ than the USA.

thisisinsider.com/worlds-safest-countries-global-peace-index-2017-6

I will ask a question that always reveals to true feelings of pro-gun advocates. It works every time.

"Japan has some of the strictest gun-control laws in the world and they have among the lowest homocide rate in the world (and no, more people aren't killed by samurai swords), why?"

Auggie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 4:57pm:

I will ask a question that always reveals to true feelings of pro-gun advocates. It works every time. "Japan has some of the strictest gun-control laws in the world and they have among the lowest homocide rate in the world (and no, more people aren't killed by samurai swords), why?"

Where does Japan rank on this list and why are so many countries with high gun ownership safer than Japan?
thisisinsider.com/worlds-safest-countries-global-peace-index-2017-6

Homicide rate per 100K

Australia- 0.98
Czech republic- 0.75

We don't allow people to have weapons for self defence, the Czech's allow concealed carry for self defence.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 5:07pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 4:57pm: I will ask a question that always reveals to true feelings of pro-gun advocates. It works every time. "Japan has some of the strictest gun-control laws in the world and they have among the lowest homocide rate in the world (and no, more people aren't killed by samurai swords), why?" Where does Japan rank on this list and why are so many countries with high gun ownership safer than Japan? thisisinsider.com/worlds-safest-countries-global-peace-index-2017-6

This article hardly tells us anything. What is 'peace score'? How is it calculated?

I'm referring to homocide statistics - i.e. people being killed. Look up homocide rates.

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 12:26pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 6:40am: Quote: CZECHS WRITING OWN SECOND AMENDMENT TO COMBAT ISLAMIC TERROR The Czech Republic is on track to re-enact constitutional gun rights in response to recent terror attacks and the migrant crisis in Europe. The Czech lower chamber approved a bill on Wednesday to strengthen gun ownership not long after the Eastern European country strengthened its border security to repel an influx of Muslim migrants. Looks like someone is going to have a bad day, once the population can protect itself  :) :)

oh boy.. I'd love to shoot a few rounds through that baby...

you know my Targets... (See American Sniper ;) )

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 10:04pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 12:26pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 6:40am: Quote: CZECHS WRITING OWN SECOND AMENDMENT TO COMBAT ISLAMIC TERROR The Czech Republic is on track to re-enact constitutional gun rights in response to recent terror attacks and the migrant crisis in Europe. The Czech lower chamber approved a bill on Wednesday to strengthen gun ownership not long after the Eastern European country strengthened its border security to repel an influx of Muslim migrants. Looks like someone is going to have a bad day, once the population can protect itself  :) :) oh boy.. I'd love to shoot a few rounds through that baby... you know my Targets... (See American Sniper ;) )

Kill them.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 5:07pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 4:57pm: I will ask a question that always reveals to true feelings of pro-gun advocates. It works every time. "Japan has some of the strictest gun-control laws in the world and they have among the lowest homocide rate in the world (and no, more people aren't killed by samurai swords), why?" Where does Japan rank on this list and why are so many countries with high gun ownership safer than Japan? thisisinsider.com/worlds-safest-countries-global-peace-index-2017-6

The question that really needs to be asked is why are there countries with great laxity in gun ownership safer that Australia?


Because that seem incongruous to every anti-gun hysteric's mantra, does it not?


Safest Countries

12. Australia - 1.425
11. Japan - 1.408
10. Ireland - 1.408
9. Switzerland - 1.373
8. Canada - 1.371
7. Slovenia - 1.364
6. Czech Republic - 1.360
5. Denmark - 1.337
4. Austria - 1.265
3. Portugal - 1.258
2. New Zealand - 1.241
1. Iceland - 1.111


http://www.thisisinsider.com/worlds-safest-countries-global-peace-index-2017-6




More lax gun laws


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Canada#Laws_and_regulations



Not one but at least three countries are safer than us and do not have the draconian bullsh1t gun laws we have.


Why is that?

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2017 at 10:28am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:07pm: Auggie wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 4:57pm: I will ask a question that always reveals to true feelings of pro-gun advocates. It works every time. "Japan has some of the strictest gun-control laws in the world and they have among the lowest homocide rate in the world (and no, more people aren't killed by samurai swords), why?" Where does Japan rank on this list and why are so many countries with high gun ownership safer than Japan? thisisinsider.com/worlds-safest-countries-global-peace-index-2017-6 The question that really needs to be asked is why are there countries with great laxity in gun ownership safer that Australia? Because that seem incongruous to every anti-gun hysteric's mantra, does it not? Safest Countries 12. Australia - 1.425 11. Japan - 1.408 10. Ireland - 1.408 9. Switzerland - 1.373 8. Canada - 1.371 7. Slovenia - 1.364 6. Czech Republic - 1.360 5. Denmark - 1.337 4. Austria - 1.265 3. Portugal - 1.258 2. New Zealand - 1.241 1. Iceland - 1.111 http://www.thisisinsider.com/worlds-safest-countries-global-peace-index-2017-6 More lax gun laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Canada#Laws_and_regulations Not one but at least three countries are safer than us and do not have the draconian bullsh1t gun laws we have. Why is that?

BigOl, I've read the article. It equates each country with a peace score. How is this score calculated?

What I care about and what most people care about is the number of persons murdered in a country. Provide me with real statistics - i.e. homicide statistics, not some arbitrary peace score.

And here are the 15 most dangerous.


Quote:

•15. Nigeria — 2.877 •14. North Korea — 2.944 •13. Russia — 3.079 •12. Democratic Republic of the Congo — 3.112 •11. Pakistan — 3.145 •10. Libya — 3.2 •9. Sudan — 3.269 •8. Ukraine — 3.287 •7. Central African Republic — 3.354 •6. Yemen — 3.399 •5. Somalia — 3.414 •4. Afghanistan — 3.538 •3. Iraq — 3.57 •2. South Sudan — 3.593 •1. Syria — 3.806

I wonder what the gun laws are there, eh?

Auggie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2017 at 3:33pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 1st, 2017 at 10:28am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:07pm: Auggie wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 4:57pm: I will ask a question that always reveals to true feelings of pro-gun advocates. It works every time. "Japan has some of the strictest gun-control laws in the world and they have among the lowest homocide rate in the world (and no, more people aren't killed by samurai swords), why?" Where does Japan rank on this list and why are so many countries with high gun ownership safer than Japan? thisisinsider.com/worlds-safest-countries-global-peace-index-2017-6 The question that really needs to be asked is why are there countries with great laxity in gun ownership safer that Australia? Because that seem incongruous to every anti-gun hysteric's mantra, does it not? Safest Countries 12. Australia - 1.425 11. Japan - 1.408 10. Ireland - 1.408 9. Switzerland - 1.373 8. Canada - 1.371 7. Slovenia - 1.364 6. Czech Republic - 1.360 5. Denmark - 1.337 4. Austria - 1.265 3. Portugal - 1.258 2. New Zealand - 1.241 1. Iceland - 1.111 http://www.thisisinsider.com/worlds-safest-countries-global-peace-index-2017-6 More lax gun laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Canada#Laws_and_regulations Not one but at least three countries are safer than us and do not have the draconian bullsh1t gun laws we have. Why is that? BigOl, I've read the article. It equates each country with a peace score. How is this score calculated? What I care about and what most people care about is the number of persons murdered in a country. Provide me with real statistics - i.e. homicide statistics, not some arbitrary peace score.

Homicide statistics is just cherry picking with gun crime, of course the gun grabbers like to cherry pick with homicides it means they can ignore all other gun crime.

Look at all the shootings in Sydney I guess the gun grabbers can ignore every shooting or robbery with a gun by just cherry picking firearm homicides.

Iceland ranks 15th in the world for gun ownership,Austria ranks 13th in the world for gun ownership,Slovenia allows open carry without a permit, Canada abolished long gun registration a few years ago it still ranks safer than Australia.

Why does New Zealand have a lower homicide rate compared to Australia when they allow all the semi auto rifles and shotguns we banned in 1996?

New Zealand is the easiest country in the world to buy a sound moderator (silencer for dim wits) no permit required just pay cash.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1^st, 2017 at 4:14pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 1st, 2017 at 3:33pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jul 1st, 2017 at 10:28am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:07pm: Auggie wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 4:57pm: I will ask a question that always reveals to true feelings of pro-gun advocates. It works every time. "Japan has some of the strictest gun-control laws in the world and they have among the lowest homocide rate in the world (and no, more people aren't killed by samurai swords), why?" Where does Japan rank on this list and why are so many countries with high gun ownership safer than Japan? thisisinsider.com/worlds-safest-countries-global-peace-index-2017-6 The question that really needs to be asked is why are there countries with great laxity in gun ownership safer that Australia? Because that seem incongruous to every anti-gun hysteric's mantra, does it not? Safest Countries 12. Australia - 1.425 11. Japan - 1.408 10. Ireland - 1.408 9. Switzerland - 1.373 8. Canada - 1.371 7. Slovenia - 1.364 6. Czech Republic - 1.360 5. Denmark - 1.337 4. Austria - 1.265 3. Portugal - 1.258 2. New Zealand - 1.241 1. Iceland - 1.111 http://www.thisisinsider.com/worlds-safest-countries-global-peace-index-2017-6 More lax gun laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Canada#Laws_and_regulations Not one but at least three countries are safer than us and do not have the draconian bullsh1t gun laws we have. Why is that? BigOl, I've read the article. It equates each country with a peace score. How is this score calculated? What I care about and what most people care about is the number of persons murdered in a country. Provide me with real statistics - i.e. homicide statistics, not some arbitrary peace score. Homicide statistics is just cherry picking with gun crime, of course the gun grabbers like to cherry pick with homicides it means they can ignore all other gun crime. Look at all the shootings in Sydney I guess the gun grabbers can ignore every shooting or robbery with a gun by just cherry picking firearm homicides. Iceland ranks 15th in the world for gun ownership,Austria ranks 13th in the world for gun ownership,Slovenia allows open carry without a permit, Canada abolished long gun registration a few years ago it still ranks safer than Australia. Why does New Zealand have a lower homicide rate compared to Australia when they allow all the semi auto rifles and shotguns we banned in 1996? New Zealand is the easiest country in the world to buy a sound moderator (silencer for dim wits) no permit required just pay cash.

Homicide statistics aren't cherry-picking; they're an actual reflection of people dying (usually by firearm).

Let's look at another facet of this debate. Japan, again, as an example. People in Japan feel safe enough that they don't want or need firearms to be safe. Now, if you argue that a society like the US (and Australia) needs firearm ownership in order to preserve individual safety because society is dangerous, then you have ask why is society dangerous in the first place?

In the case of NZ, their gun-ownership laws aren't the reason for less crime.

Karnal wrote on Jul 1^st, 2017 at 3:47pm:

And here are the 15 most dangerous. Quote: •15. Nigeria — 2.877 •14. North Korea — 2.944 •13. Russia — 3.079 •12. Democratic Republic of the Congo — 3.112 •11. Pakistan — 3.145 •10. Libya — 3.2 •9. Sudan — 3.269 •8. Ukraine — 3.287 •7. Central African Republic — 3.354 •6. Yemen — 3.399 •5. Somalia — 3.414 •4. Afghanistan — 3.538 •3. Iraq — 3.57 •2. South Sudan — 3.593 •1. Syria — 3.806 [The influence which ISLAM has upon a people in a nation, and whether a nation of people are respecters of LAWS or, a LAWLESS people.] I wonder what the gun laws are there, eh?

Confirming my argument, that neither very 'lax' guns laws, nor very restrictive guns laws,            are the determining factor of whether any particular country will have a small, or, a very high firearm crime rate.

The determining factor will always be, the character [i.e. the moral compass, or lack of] of the people, of any particular nation.


THE DETERMINING FACTORS IN 'GUN CONTROL', WITHIN ANY NATION,
SHOULD BE, IMO,      THAT;

The laws of a nation should ENCOURAGE firearm ownership [for the purpose of the protection of the individual and his/her loved ones, and the protection of his/her property] by any citizen of that nation who;
1/ is over 25 years old, and
2/ has not had a criminal conviction in the last 20 years, and
3/ has NEVER had any drink driving conviction, NOR any illicit drug convictions, ever [goes to an individuals respect for the concept of 'personal responsibility'].

AND,             keep firearms out of the hands of EVERY OTHER CITIZEN IN THAT NATION.