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The doctor was being way too precious by half, and should have minded his own business.

It's just not realistic to suppose that someone smoking a cigarette outside the entrance to the hospital is doing something that will have a lethal effect upon people coming and going from the hospital.

It was evidence of chronic bed-wetting that he didn't apply a little rational thought to the situation.

Sad, but was an own-goal. Probably off to the crematorium now to do some smoking of his own.

The moral of the story is: Don't get above your station in life and start dictating what others should do in a free society.i

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 11:52am:

link The doctor was being way too precious by half, and should have minded his own business.

It was his business.

He had a duty of care.

The thug was smoking in the non-smoking area outside the front entrance of the hospital.

I hope this scumbag is put away for a very long time.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 11:57am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 11:52am: link The doctor was being way too precious by half, and should have minded his own business. It was his business. He had a duty of care. The thug was smoking in the non-smoking area outside the front entrance of the hospital. I hope this scumbag is put away for a very long time.

Our Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has just given a glowing reference to a footballer who did exactly the same thing to another player ... knocked him cold with one punch.

Result?

Two week's suspension from the field.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 12:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 11:57am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 11:52am: link The doctor was being way too precious by half, and should have minded his own business. It was his business. He had a duty of care. The thug was smoking in the non-smoking area outside the front entrance of the hospital. I hope this scumbag is put away for a very long time. Our Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has just given a glowing reference to a footballer who did exactly the same thing to another player ... knocked him cold with one punch. Result? Two week's suspension from the field.

I have no interest in Gay FL, for reasons such as that.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 11:52am:

link The doctor was being way too precious by half, and should have minded his own business. It's just not realistic to suppose that someone smoking a cigarette outside the entrance to the hospital is doing something that will have a lethal effect upon people coming and going from the hospital. It was evidence of chronic bed-wetting that he didn't practice a little rational thought to the situation. Sad, but was an own-goal.

So a surgeon at the hospital told someone smoking in the non-smoking area outside the front entrance of the Hospital to stop and it was an own-goal?

The smoker was breaking the law (assuming the rules in Victoria are the same as in QLD) and you'll take this line?

Herb mate, I know you're a small government kind of guy but you're being a total dickhead on this subject, which you're entitled to be, but dickhead nonetheless.

I too hope this thug who apparently thinks he has a right to knock anyone down who dares to tell him to do the right thing.. now two little girls have lost their father...

I trust they throw the book at him and put him in the toughest prison...where he will do it tough..

no one is allowed to stand near a door smoking in the ACT  why are not these rules universal....no one should smoke within a hundred feet of a hospital doorway....

as a non smoker its sickening to get that mouthful as you leave a building..... may as well lick an ashtray  thats how bad they stink...

RIP to this young man and father..

I trust you get justice.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 1:05pm:

So a surgeon at the hospital told someone smoking in the non-smoking area outside the front entrance of the Hospital to stop and it was an own-goal? The smoker was breaking the law (assuming the rules in Victoria are the same as in QLD) and you'll take this line? Herb mate, I know you're a small government kind of guy but you're being a total dickhead on this subject, which you're entitled to be, but dickhead nonetheless.

Own goal.

There are ways of telling someone not to smoke in a certain area, and it's a pebble to Ayre's Rock that this doctor let fly with a mouthful of demeaning abuse that the Arab just wasn't going to cop.

There wouldn't have been the slightest intention to kill the doctor.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 1:14pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 1:05pm: So a surgeon at the hospital told someone smoking in the non-smoking area outside the front entrance of the Hospital to stop and it was an own-goal? The smoker was breaking the law (assuming the rules in Victoria are the same as in QLD) and you'll take this line? Herb mate, I know you're a small government kind of guy but you're being a total dickhead on this subject, which you're entitled to be, but dickhead nonetheless. Own goal. There are ways of telling someone not to smoke in a certain area, and it's a pebble to Ayre's Rock that this doctor let fly with a mouthful of demeaning abuse that the Arab just wasn't going to cop. There wouldn't have been the slightest intention to kill the doctor.

Just like if women didn't wear short skirts men wouldn't be tempted to rape them?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 1:17pm:

Just like if women didn't wear short skirts men wouldn't be tempted to rape them?

That's a non sequitur.

Back to the drawing board.

cods wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 1:13pm:

I too hope this thug who apparently thinks he has a right to knock anyone down who dares to tell him to do the right thing.. now two little girls have lost their father... I trust they throw the book at him and put him in the toughest prison...where he will do it tough.. no one is allowed to stand near a door smoking in the ACT  why are not these rules universal....no one should smoke within a hundred feet of a hospital doorway....

I visit SCGH (QEII) quite regularly.

It's completely smoke-free.


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"You are not permitted to smoke anywhere inside the hospital or outside within the QEIIMC grounds."

http://www.scgh.health.wa.gov.au/Patients_Visitors/pdf/Brochures/WelcometoSCGHbrochureSummary.pdf


However, every time I visit, there are people sitting in wheelchairs in front of the "NO Smoking" signs, with drips attached to their arms, smoking.


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The hospital staff do absolutely nothing about it, because of the violence.

Smokers don't like being told they're breaking the law, and they often get very violent.

If any patient is caught smoking on the hospital grounds, they should be discharged immediately and escorted off the premises by the police.

No exceptions.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 1:05pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 11:52am: link The doctor was being way too precious by half, and should have minded his own business. It's just not realistic to suppose that someone smoking a cigarette outside the entrance to the hospital is doing something that will have a lethal effect upon people coming and going from the hospital. It was evidence of chronic bed-wetting that he didn't practice a little rational thought to the situation. Sad, but was an own-goal. So a surgeon at the hospital told someone smoking in the non-smoking area outside the front entrance of the Hospital to stop and it was an own-goal? The smoker was breaking the law (assuming the rules in Victoria are the same as in QLD) and you'll take this line? Herb mate, I know you're a small government kind of guy but you're being a total dickhead on this subject, which you're entitled to be, but dickhead nonetheless.

"Eastern Health is totally tobacco-free. Under the Tobacco Act 1987 smoking is prohibited within four metres of an entrance to all Victorian public hospitals and registered community health centres. Smoking is not allowed in the buildings or on the grounds of any of our sites, including walkways, entrances and car parks."

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 11:52am:

link The doctor was being way too precious by half, and should have minded his own business. It's just not realistic to suppose that someone smoking a cigarette outside the entrance to the hospital is doing something that will have a lethal effect upon people coming and going from the hospital. It was evidence of chronic bed-wetting that he didn't apply a little rational thought to the situation. Sad, but was an own-goal. Probably off to the crematorium now to do some smoking of his own. The moral of the story is: Don't get above your station in life and start dictating what others should do in a free society.

Are you fairdinkum?

What a crap response to the death of a hospital doctor .. a heart surgeon at that caused by a drug f8cked mongrel who was probably smoking to close to the entrance of the hospital.

He should have been at a minimum 4 or 5 mtrs away or in the case of hospitals in a designated smoking area which most have.

You must have made those comments merely as a bait
to get negative responses.

Well put me down for that.

You oughta be ashamed of yourself & if you read your own link you would have seen that the assailant was in a "non-smoking" area.


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The heart surgeon told Esmaili off for smoking in the non-smoking area outside the front entrance of Box Hill Hospital.

So the man is dead , killed by a coward punch from behind & all you have to say is the doctor was being precious?

You're a right TNUC.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 1:27pm:

The hospital staff do absolutely nothing about it, because of the violence. Smokers don't like being told they're breaking the law, and they often get very violent. If any patient is caught smoking on the hospital grounds, they should be discharged immediately and escorted off the premises by the police. No exceptions.

This is where you Far Left wankers get all fired up with righteous zeal. It's the same with the Global Warming bed-wetters.

Those smokers sitting in front of the No Smoking signs are perfectly aware that what they're doing effects no one but themselves, and that the notice was put there by wankers on a mission to stamp their feet and pout because some people like to do what they themselves disapprove of.

Meddling socialists is what we're witnessing here.

And then these righteous doctors will drive around in cars that spew carcinogenic gases.

The hypocrisy sucks the oxygen out of the air.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 1:27pm: The hospital staff do absolutely nothing about it, because of the violence. Smokers don't like being told they're breaking the law, and they often get very violent. If any patient is caught smoking on the hospital grounds, they should be discharged immediately and escorted off the premises by the police. No exceptions. This is where you Far Left wankers get all fired up with righteous zeal. It's the same with the Global Warming bed-wetters. Those smokers sitting in front of the No Smoking signs are perfectly aware that what they're doing effects no one but themselves ...

They're deliberately harming themselves, and then expect to be treated in the the public hospital for free.

No way, Jose.

You smoke, you don't get to enter a public hospital.

Simples.

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

"Eastern Health is totally tobacco-free. Under the Tobacco Act 1987 smoking is prohibited within four metres of an entrance to all Victorian public hospitals and registered community health centres. Smoking is not allowed in the buildings or on the grounds of any of our sites, including walkways, entrances and car parks."

All fag-arsed pretentious nonsense.

If smoking outdoors is so critical to public health, then why isn't smoking banned by government decree.

Why is Turnbull having a plebiscite on the sanctity of anal sex instead of asking the public to decide if smoking should be entirely banned as so many illicit drugs are?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 1:27pm: The hospital staff do absolutely nothing about it, because of the violence. Smokers don't like being told they're breaking the law, and they often get very violent. If any patient is caught smoking on the hospital grounds, they should be discharged immediately and escorted off the premises by the police. No exceptions. This is where you Far Left wankers get all fired up with righteous zeal. It's the same with the Global Warming bed-wetters. Those smokers sitting in front of the No Smoking signs are perfectly aware that what they're doing effects no one but themselves, and that the notice was put there by wankers on a mission to stamp their feet and pout because some people like to do what they themselves disapprove of. Meddling socialists is what we're witnessing here. And then these righteous doctors will drive around in cars that spew carcinogenic gases. The hypocrisy sucks the oxygen out of the air.

I'm no far lefty & it's a matter of decency......

your above response is spurious.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:23pm:

If smoking outdoors is so critical to public health, then why isn't smoking banned by government decree.

"From 22 September 2010, smoking was banned in outdoor eating areas in Western Australia, other than in 'smoking zones' in licensed premises."

"Smoking in a vehicle while a person under 17 years of age is present was banned in Western Australia from 22 September 2010."

"Amendments to the Tobacco Products Control Act that came into effect on 22 September 2010 banned smoking between the flags at patrolled beaches; at outdoor eating areas (other than designated smoking zones at licensed premises); within 10 metres of children's playground equipment; and in vehicles when a person under the age of 17 years is present."

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greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

They're deliberately harming themselves, and then expect to be treated in the the public hospital for free.

Damned right, aaaaasshooole!

You bring me a doctor who has no vices.

Bring me a doctor who doesn't screw around with cocaine, pethedine tablets, spirits, rich foods, and high-cholesterol meals that all conspire to send him into medical care WAY earlier than otherwise would be the case?

And then there's lack of exercise and obesity that brings these moralising hypocrites crashing down.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:23pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 1:43pm: "Eastern Health is totally tobacco-free. Under the Tobacco Act 1987 smoking is prohibited within four metres of an entrance to all Victorian public hospitals and registered community health centres. Smoking is not allowed in the buildings or on the grounds of any of our sites, including walkways, entrances and car parks." All fag-arsed pretentious nonsense. If smoking outdoors is so critical to public health, then why isn't smoking banned by government decree. Why is Turnbull having a plebiscite on the sanctity of anal sex instead of asking the public to decide if smoking should be entirely banned as so many illicit drugs are?

The relevance that has to the subject matter is what is pretentious.

It wasn't outdoors perse ... it was near the entrance to the foyer.

With doors constantly opening & closing ... or if open having a breeze blowing the stench & fumes into the foyer should not be happening.

You ought buy yourself an enema kit .... you're full of shyte.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 2:19pm: They're deliberately harming themselves, and then expect to be treated in the the public hospital for free. Damned right, aaaaasshooole! You bring me a doctor who has no vices. Bring me a doctor who doesn't screw around with cocaine, pethedine tablets, spirits, rich foods, and high-cholesterol meals that all conspire to send him into medical care WAY earlier than otherwise would be the case? And then there's lack of exercise and obesity that brings these moralising hypocrites crashing down.

All spurious supposition.

Do they indulge in their vices in areas where it's prohibited?

Naff orf.

Gnads wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:27pm:

I'm no far lefty & it's a matter of decency...... your above response is spurious.

I confess I was wearing spurs while I wrote it.

Smoking use to be described as "The working man's pleasure". i

Gnads wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:34pm:

All spurious supposition. Do they indulge in their vices in areas where it's prohibited? Naff orf.

Gregg was saying that smokers cost a lot of money in medical treatment, and I countered with the fact that smoking is not the only unhealthy vice that eventually brings people like doctors to needing treatment.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:41pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 2:34pm: All spurious supposition. Do they indulge in their vices in areas where it's prohibited? Naff orf. Gregg was saying that smokers cost a lot of money in medical treatment, and I countered with the fact that smoking is not the only unhealthy vice that eventually brings people like doctors to needing treatment.

Smoking is totally unnecessary.

That's the difference.

It serve no purpose whatsoever, other than to deteriorate one's health.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:37pm:

[quote author=Gnads link=1498614760/15#15 date=1498624023] I'm no far lefty & it's a matter of decency...... your above response is spurious.

I confess I was wearing spurs while I wrote it.

Smoking use to be described as "The working man's pleasure".
[unquote]

I thought that was having a beer

Gnads wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:32pm:

The relevance that has to the subject matter is what is pretentious. It wasn't outdoors perse ... it was near the entrance to the foyer. With doors constantly opening & closing ... or if open having a breeze blowing the stench & fumes into the foyer should not be happening.

;D ;D ;D

Give me a break, you precious dears!

"Oh! I can smell some cigarette smoke! Quick! I'm wilting!

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 2:32pm: The relevance that has to the subject matter is what is pretentious. It wasn't outdoors perse ... it was near the entrance to the foyer. With doors constantly opening & closing ... or if open having a breeze blowing the stench & fumes into the foyer should not be happening. ;D ;D ;D Give me a break, you precious dears! "Oh! I can smell some cigarette smoke! Quick! I'm wilting!

"Secondhand smoke causes early death and disease in children and in adults who do not smoke.

"The more secondhand smoke to which you are exposed, the higher your risk of disease.

"There is no level of exposure to secondhand smoke that is free of risk."

http://www.quit.org.au/about/frequently-asked-questions/faqs-passive-smoking/diseases-secondhand-smoke.html

"Secondhand smoke (SHS) has the same harmful chemicals that smokers inhale. There’s no safe level of exposure for secondhand smoke (SHS)."

"Secondhand smoke is known to cause cancer. It has more than 7,000 chemicals, including at least 70 that can cause cancer.

"SHS causes lung cancer – even in people who have never smoked."

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/tobacco-and-cancer/secondhand-smoke.html

Gnads wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

I confess I was wearing spurs while I wrote it. Smoking use to be described as "The working man's pleasure". [unquote] I thought that was having a beer

Wrong. It was smoking. You could smoke at work but you couldn't drink beer.

Alcohol consumption by FAR out-ranks smoking as the greatest financial liability upon the government's medical and welfare systems, and is the cause of gazillions of lost working hours whereas smoking doesn't account for even a single day off from work per year.

I don't like the preachy, finger-wagging, moral pretentiousness of the hypocrites who personally subscribe to the alcohol industry whilst at the same time presuming to look down their noses at someone having a quiet smoke in the open air.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:55pm:

"The more secondhand smoke to which you are exposed, the higher your risk of disease. "There is no level of exposure to secondhand smoke that is free of risk."[/i] http://www.quit.org.au/about/frequently-asked-questions/faqs-passive-smoking/diseases-secondhand-smoke.html

Pig's arse!

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 3:12pm:

smoking doesn't account for even a single day off from work per year.

Pig's arse!

"Health experts have warned that 11 million work days are lost each year as a result of sick days linked to smoking."

And that's just England.

"Smoking currently costs the economy in England a massive £13 billion a year, with businesses losing over 11 million days of productivity each year due to smoking-related sick days, which alone costs £1 billion a year."

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 11:52am:

link The doctor was being way too precious by half, and should have minded his own business. It's just not realistic to suppose that someone smoking a cigarette outside the entrance to the hospital is doing something that will have a lethal effect upon people coming and going from the hospital. It was evidence of chronic bed-wetting that he didn't apply a little rational thought to the situation. Sad, but was an own-goal. Probably off to the crematorium now to do some smoking of his own. The moral of the story is: Don't get above your station in life and start dictating what others should do in a free society.

Bullshit

If you're a violent thug who can't operate in a free society without getting all punchy, then it's off to jail for you.

This guy - with the usual collection of full-of-himself ego-selfies and rap-signs - is the one who "got above his station". This violent, stuck up, precious, egotistical little know-nothing uneducated scumbag deserves to die in jail - end of story.

Stig wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 3:21pm:

Bullshit If you're a violent thug who can't operate in a free society without getting all punchy, then it's off to jail for you. This guy - with the usual collection of full-of-himself ego-selfies and rap-signs - is the one who "got above his station". This violent, stuck up, precious, egotistical little know-nothing uneducated scumbag deserves to die in jail - end of story.

You've convinced me.

Well done.

8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 3:12pm:

smoking doesn't account for even a single day off from work per year.

"Studies in the United States, Finland and Sweden confirm that smokers take more sick leave than non-smokers."

"The Finnish study found that smoking and obesity were the two health-related behaviours most associated with sick leave; 16.4% of self-certified absences in men and 10.3% in women were due to smoking.

"One of the US studies, by Bunn and colleagues, measured unproductive time at work as well as sick leave. Between 2001 and 2005, more than 45 000 workers from 147 companies completed a Wellness Inventory, reporting on their smoking status, health conditions, and the number of days of work lost and hours they were unproductive due to these conditions.

"The average annual cost for lost productivity was about 70% higher for current smokers than non-smokers ($4430/year versus $2623/year). About 60% of the productivity losses for smokers were due to unproductive time at work."

http://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-17-economics/17-2-the-costs-of-smoking

"Moreover, the data permit controls to be applied for a large number of influences thought to have some bearing on work attendance.

"Logit models of absence incidence over a two week period are estimated, and smoking is consistently found to have a large and significant impact on absence.

"This impact, however, is not consistent across the sexes. The probability of a male smoker being absent from work is estimated to be 66% greater than that for a male who has never smoked. For females, the corresponding figure is just 23%."

Smoking and absence from work: Australian evidence.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:23pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 1:43pm: "Eastern Health is totally tobacco-free. Under the Tobacco Act 1987 smoking is prohibited within four metres of an entrance to all Victorian public hospitals and registered community health centres. Smoking is not allowed in the buildings or on the grounds of any of our sites, including walkways, entrances and car parks." All fag-arsed pretentious nonsense. If smoking outdoors is so critical to public health, then why isn't smoking banned by government decree. Why is Turnbull having a plebiscite on the sanctity of anal sex instead of asking the public to decide if smoking should be entirely banned as so many illicit drugs are?

It is at least, by a Government Decree as you so smugly put it, banned within 4 meters of the entrance of a hospital as legislated under Section 5RB - 2a of the TOBACCO ACT 1987.

And now you're being a complete whack job if you think Same Sex Marriage is only about gay anal sex...  You've lost this one champ.

Being a right wing lunatic can only get you so far.  That said, you can bet if the Government was able to tax "gay anal sex" in the context of your warped mind, we would have had SSM decades ago.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 3:12pm:

whereas smoking doesn't account for even a single day off from work per year.

Next you'll be telling us your uncle smoked a back a day and lived until he was 91, therefore there are no dangers from smoking...

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 2:32pm: The relevance that has to the subject matter is what is pretentious. It wasn't outdoors perse ... it was near the entrance to the foyer. With doors constantly opening & closing ... or if open having a breeze blowing the stench & fumes into the foyer should not be happening. ;D ;D ;D Give me a break, you precious dears! "Oh! I can smell some cigarette smoke! Quick! I'm wilting!

Another d1ckhead response.

I like having a few beers how would you like it if I decided that to rid myself of the after affects I p1ssed all over you in your clothes .. just so you can smell it for a while after the event like ... huh ... how would you?

Ferkin smokers have no right to invade my space or anyone else with their residue ....

& vehicle emissions have no relevance.

Like I asked previously are you just baiting bs for the hell of it or have you a biased axe to grind because you're a smoker?

Gnads wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 2:53pm: Gnads wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 2:32pm: The relevance that has to the subject matter is what is pretentious. It wasn't outdoors perse ... it was near the entrance to the foyer. With doors constantly opening & closing ... or if open having a breeze blowing the stench & fumes into the foyer should not be happening. ;D ;D ;D Give me a break, you precious dears! "Oh! I can smell some cigarette smoke! Quick! I'm wilting! Another d1ckhead response. I like having a few beers how would you like it if I decided that to rid myself of the after affects I p1ssed all over you in your clothes .. just so you can smell it for a while after the event like ... huh ... how would you?

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Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 3:12pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 2:44pm: I confess I was wearing spurs while I wrote it. Smoking use to be described as "The working man's pleasure". [unquote] I thought that was having a beer Wrong. It was smoking. You could smoke at work but you couldn't drink beer. Alcohol consumption by FAR out-ranks smoking as the greatest financial liability upon the government's medical and welfare systems, and is the cause of gazillions of lost working hours whereas smoking doesn't account for even a single day off from work per year. I don't like the preachy, finger-wagging, moral pretentiousness of the hypocrites who personally subscribe to the alcohol industry whilst at the same time presuming to look down their noses at someone having a quiet smoke in the open air.

It ain't in the open air when it impacts other people.

That's a point that seems to escape you.

Even in venues that provide Designated Smoking Areas, the patrons open doors on entry & exit bringing with them back into the general venue the stench & fumes from the area they smoke in.

Are you a smoker Herb?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 3:12pm: smoking doesn't account for even a single day off from work per year. "Studies in the United States, Finland and Sweden confirm that smokers take more sick leave than non-smokers." "The Finnish study found that smoking and obesity were the two health-related behaviours most associated with sick leave; 16.4% of self-certified absences in men and 10.3% in women were due to smoking. "One of the US studies, by Bunn and colleagues, measured unproductive time at work as well as sick leave. Between 2001 and 2005, more than 45 000 workers from 147 companies completed a Wellness Inventory, reporting on their smoking status, health conditions, and the number of days of work lost and hours they were unproductive due to these conditions. "The average annual cost for lost productivity was about 70% higher for current smokers than non-smokers ($4430/year versus $2623/year). About 60% of the productivity losses for smokers were due to unproductive time at work." http://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-17-economics/17-2-the-costs-of-smoking "Moreover, the data permit controls to be applied for a large number of influences thought to have some bearing on work attendance. "Logit models of absence incidence over a two week period are estimated, and smoking is consistently found to have a large and significant impact on absence. "This impact, however, is not consistent across the sexes. The probability of a male smoker being absent from work is estimated to be 66% greater than that for a male who has never smoked. For females, the corresponding figure is just 23%." Smoking and absence from work: Australian evidence.

Fabrications as all part of a government-sponsored anti-smoking campaign.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 3:30pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 3:12pm: smoking doesn't account for even a single day off from work per year. "Studies in the United States, Finland and Sweden confirm that smokers take more sick leave than non-smokers." "The Finnish study found that smoking and obesity were the two health-related behaviours most associated with sick leave; 16.4% of self-certified absences in men and 10.3% in women were due to smoking. "One of the US studies, by Bunn and colleagues, measured unproductive time at work as well as sick leave. Between 2001 and 2005, more than 45 000 workers from 147 companies completed a Wellness Inventory, reporting on their smoking status, health conditions, and the number of days of work lost and hours they were unproductive due to these conditions. "The average annual cost for lost productivity was about 70% higher for current smokers than non-smokers ($4430/year versus $2623/year). About 60% of the productivity losses for smokers were due to unproductive time at work." http://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-17-economics/17-2-the-costs-of-smoking "Moreover, the data permit controls to be applied for a large number of influences thought to have some bearing on work attendance. "Logit models of absence incidence over a two week period are estimated, and smoking is consistently found to have a large and significant impact on absence. "This impact, however, is not consistent across the sexes. The probability of a male smoker being absent from work is estimated to be 66% greater than that for a male who has never smoked. For females, the corresponding figure is just 23%." Smoking and absence from work: Australian evidence. Fabrications as all part of a government-sponsored anti-smoking campaign.

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Gnads wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:12pm:

Are you a smoker Herb?

I gave up smoking 20 years ago because the cost of cigarettes had become prohibitive.

My health has suffered ever since.

In Darwin at the moment and this is Bogan central for smokers, you cant sit anywhere for a meal without smoke permeating in and ruining your meal.

I think smokers who smoke in public should be tazered.

We should have special rooms with chemical filters, the only place smokers can smoke.

miketrees wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:29pm:

In Darwin at the moment and this is Bogan central for smokers, you cant sit anywhere for a meal without smoke permeating in and ruining your meal. I think smokers who smoke in public should be tazered. We should have special rooms with chemical filters, the only place smokers can smoke.

I like the taser idea.

The one thing that bugs me about my beloved Slovenia and Austria is the smoking.

They smoke everywhere.

In restaurants, bars, cafes, shops.

Disgusting.

Hopefully that'll change soon.

Poll added

The poll needed an "I,m a Fvckwit and I still smoke" option

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:32pm:

The one thing that bugs me about my beloved Slovenia and Austria is the smoking. They smoke everywhere. In restaurants, bars, cafes, shops.

How very civilised of them. Democratic and liberal too.

PC obviously hasn't caught up with them yet.

And the bullshit about 'passive smoking' is laughed off by them all, not the least by those who don't smoke.

If a certain enjoyment knocks off a few years of your life ~ so what? Life is to be lived.

I haven't touched alcohol for all of 27 years now. Not a drop. What am I to think of you guys who drink, and then need medical attention way before the non-drinkers?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:32pm:

miketrees wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:29pm: In Darwin at the moment and this is Bogan central for smokers, you cant sit anywhere for a meal without smoke permeating in and ruining your meal. I think smokers who smoke in public should be tazered. We should have special rooms with chemical filters, the only place smokers can smoke. I like the taser idea. The one thing that bugs me about my beloved Slovenia and Austria is the smoking. They smoke everywhere. In restaurants, bars, cafes, shops. Disgusting. Hopefully that'll change soon.

same in Denmark   they have a lot of cobbled streets all full of buttends   awful..

air is pure here in ACT....its amazing what  difference it makes.. when I think they used to be able to smoke inside the shopping centres ugh!

   a side thingy not sure if its the laws.

but not one of my grandkids smoke....so very proud indeed..

I think more people should smoke
We should give fee cartons to all muzzos and unemplyed people.

Bring back smoking in a big way.

Then
Those of us who have never smoked will live long fruitful lives
While the smokers die out and lessen the drain on pensions.
:D

Valkie wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:45pm:

I think more people should smoke We should give fee cartons to all muzzos and unemplyed people. Bring back smoking in a big way. Then Those of us who have never smoked will live long fruitful lives While the smokers die out and lessen the drain on pensions. :D

Feel free to send me as much as you like. I think you should take up a collection, put it into an account and let me buy until the day I die, enough for the rest of my life, whatever I don't smoke, you can donate to the cancer council.

Bunch of moaners. I don't smoke near people that don't like it, I ask if I am near people. I don't smoke in the house anymore as we have my GChhild living here. Before that if I had visitors I would go outside without asking them.

You lot complain about the smell but over the top perfume makes me feel ill, can I stop women walking down the street wearing it? Get over yourselves. Do any of you let kids sit around an open fire?

I'd like to ask you to answer truthfully, do you believe SH smoking worse than smoking? I've read it is.

cods wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:32pm: miketrees wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:29pm: In Darwin at the moment and this is Bogan central for smokers, you cant sit anywhere for a meal without smoke permeating in and ruining your meal. I think smokers who smoke in public should be tazered. We should have special rooms with chemical filters, the only place smokers can smoke. I like the taser idea. The one thing that bugs me about my beloved Slovenia and Austria is the smoking. They smoke everywhere. In restaurants, bars, cafes, shops. Disgusting. Hopefully that'll change soon. same in Denmark   they have a lot of cobbled streets all full of buttends   awful.. air is pure here in ACT....its amazing what  difference it makes.. when I think they used to be able to smoke inside the shopping centres ugh!

I remember the first time I flew overseas, you were allowed to smoke on the plane.

Crazy!

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 8:33pm:

cods wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:32pm: miketrees wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:29pm: In Darwin at the moment and this is Bogan central for smokers, you cant sit anywhere for a meal without smoke permeating in and ruining your meal. I think smokers who smoke in public should be tazered. We should have special rooms with chemical filters, the only place smokers can smoke. I like the taser idea. The one thing that bugs me about my beloved Slovenia and Austria is the smoking. They smoke everywhere. In restaurants, bars, cafes, shops. Disgusting. Hopefully that'll change soon. same in Denmark   they have a lot of cobbled streets all full of buttends   awful.. air is pure here in ACT....its amazing what  difference it makes.. when I think they used to be able to smoke inside the shopping centres ugh! I remember the first time I flew overseas, you were allowed to smoke on the plane. Crazy!

Did you?

Setanta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:33pm: cods wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:32pm: miketrees wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:29pm: In Darwin at the moment and this is Bogan central for smokers, you cant sit anywhere for a meal without smoke permeating in and ruining your meal. I think smokers who smoke in public should be tazered. We should have special rooms with chemical filters, the only place smokers can smoke. I like the taser idea. The one thing that bugs me about my beloved Slovenia and Austria is the smoking. They smoke everywhere. In restaurants, bars, cafes, shops. Disgusting. Hopefully that'll change soon. same in Denmark   they have a lot of cobbled streets all full of buttends   awful.. air is pure here in ACT....its amazing what  difference it makes.. when I think they used to be able to smoke inside the shopping centres ugh! I remember the first time I flew overseas, you were allowed to smoke on the plane. Crazy! Did you?

Yes    :(

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 8:37pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:36pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:33pm: cods wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:32pm: miketrees wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:29pm: In Darwin at the moment and this is Bogan central for smokers, you cant sit anywhere for a meal without smoke permeating in and ruining your meal. I think smokers who smoke in public should be tazered. We should have special rooms with chemical filters, the only place smokers can smoke. I like the taser idea. The one thing that bugs me about my beloved Slovenia and Austria is the smoking. They smoke everywhere. In restaurants, bars, cafes, shops. Disgusting. Hopefully that'll change soon. same in Denmark   they have a lot of cobbled streets all full of buttends   awful.. air is pure here in ACT....its amazing what  difference it makes.. when I think they used to be able to smoke inside the shopping centres ugh! I remember the first time I flew overseas, you were allowed to smoke on the plane. Crazy! Did you? Yes    :(

Then get over yourself. As they say, nothing like a reformed smoker.

Setanta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 8:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:37pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:36pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:33pm: cods wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:32pm: miketrees wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:29pm: In Darwin at the moment and this is Bogan central for smokers, you cant sit anywhere for a meal without smoke permeating in and ruining your meal. I think smokers who smoke in public should be tazered. We should have special rooms with chemical filters, the only place smokers can smoke. I like the taser idea. The one thing that bugs me about my beloved Slovenia and Austria is the smoking. They smoke everywhere. In restaurants, bars, cafes, shops. Disgusting. Hopefully that'll change soon. same in Denmark   they have a lot of cobbled streets all full of buttends   awful.. air is pure here in ACT....its amazing what  difference it makes.. when I think they used to be able to smoke inside the shopping centres ugh! I remember the first time I flew overseas, you were allowed to smoke on the plane. Crazy! Did you? Yes    :( Then get over yourself. As they say, nothing like a reformed smoker.

Reformed smokers are, by definition, intelligent.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 8:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:39pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:37pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:36pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:33pm: cods wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:32pm: miketrees wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:29pm: In Darwin at the moment and this is Bogan central for smokers, you cant sit anywhere for a meal without smoke permeating in and ruining your meal. I think smokers who smoke in public should be tazered. We should have special rooms with chemical filters, the only place smokers can smoke. I like the taser idea. The one thing that bugs me about my beloved Slovenia and Austria is the smoking. They smoke everywhere. In restaurants, bars, cafes, shops. Disgusting. Hopefully that'll change soon. same in Denmark   they have a lot of cobbled streets all full of buttends   awful.. air is pure here in ACT....its amazing what  difference it makes.. when I think they used to be able to smoke inside the shopping centres ugh! I remember the first time I flew overseas, you were allowed to smoke on the plane. Crazy! Did you? Yes    :( Then get over yourself. As they say, nothing like a reformed smoker. Reformed smokers are, by definition, intelligent.

They are by practice intolerable whiners.

Tobacco smoke does not 'stink'. The manufacturers make sure of that so as not to reduce their customer base.

I remember when the NSW State government banned smoking in bars and clubs and restaurants, but then allowed Muslims to smoke their hookahs in their taverna because ... "It's a part of their traditional culture".

Greg, would you let kids sit around a campfire or BBQ?

Don't google before you answer.

Setanta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 8:42pm:

They are by practice intolerable whiners.

Pillow-biters and bed-wetters.  :)

Setanta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 8:47pm:

Greg, would you let kids sit around a campfire or BBQ?

You're starting an argument you won't win.

I'm going for dinner now.

When I return, I will make you look quite foolish.

There are always smokers in the non smoking areas near hospitals, most of them look homeless or that kind of look.

Poor doctor,  he should have just called a security guard 

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:47pm: Greg, would you let kids sit around a campfire or BBQ? You're starting an argument you won't win. I'm going for dinner now. When I return, I will make you look quite foolish.

Before you make me look foolish, read this. http://burningissues.org/ws-more-damage-ts.html

After you finish remember a cigarette is probably a 1/8 gram of plant matter, like wood.

Setanta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 8:47pm:

Greg, would you let kids sit around a campfire or BBQ? Don't google before you answer.

I'm sure it's not good, but it comes down to frequency of exposure.

Gordon wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 8:52pm:

There are always smokers in the non smoking areas near hospitals, most of them look homeless or that kind of look. Poor doctor,  he should have just called a security guard

He should have. They offer nicotine patches so you don't need to smoke in hospital. Don't blame bad behaviour on them being a smoker. There's enough bad behaviour to go around.

Gordon wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 8:55pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:47pm: Greg, would you let kids sit around a campfire or BBQ? Don't google before you answer. I'm sure it's not good, but it comes down to frequency of exposure.

People are complaining about getting a whiff of a little bit of 1/8 a of a gram. The products are the same but a wood fire burns how many kilo and how long do you sit around it? Even when it's just glowing, like a cigarette it's giving of the same chemicals.

Would I advise people not to smoke? Sure, can't be good for you. But trying to demonise them is what I find unacceptable.

Setanta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:52pm: There are always smokers in the non smoking areas near hospitals, most of them look homeless or that kind of look. Poor doctor,  he should have just called a security guard  He should have. They offer nicotine patches so you don't need to smoke in hospital. Don't blame bad behaviour on them being a smoker. There's enough bad behaviour to go around.

I Don't connect the violence with smoking but smokers feature very highly in the ranks of selfish behaviour. One example is littering which I reckon the majority of smokers do.

Setanta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 9:01pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:55pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:47pm: Greg, would you let kids sit around a campfire or BBQ? Don't google before you answer. I'm sure it's not good, but it comes down to frequency of exposure. People are complaining about getting a whiff of a little bit of 1/8 a of a gram. The products are the same but a wood fire burns how many kilo and how long do you sit around it? Even when it's just glowing, like a cigarette it's giving of the same chemicals. Would I advise people not to smoke? Sure, can't be good for you. But trying to demonise them is what I find unacceptable.

I seriously hate it because it stinks.
How's the winter wood burning up your way?

Gordon wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 8:52pm:

There are always smokers in the non smoking areas near hospitals, most of them look homeless or that kind of look. Poor doctor,  he should have just called a security guard

Exactly.

No doubt the doctor looked like 'Johnny Public' to the smoker for not being in uniform, but a rebuke from a uniformed security guard would have elicited from him a more contrite attitude.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 9:08pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:52pm: There are always smokers in the non smoking areas near hospitals, most of them look homeless or that kind of look. Poor doctor,  he should have just called a security guard  Exactly. No doubt the doctor looked like 'Johnny Public' to the smoker for not being in uniform, but a rebuke from a uniformed security guard would have elicited from him a more contrite attitude.

Do we.know if the doctor scolded him or simply informed him he was smoking in an inappropriate area?

Gordon wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 9:02pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:57pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:52pm: There are always smokers in the non smoking areas near hospitals, most of them look homeless or that kind of look. Poor doctor,  he should have just called a security guard  He should have. They offer nicotine patches so you don't need to smoke in hospital. Don't blame bad behaviour on them being a smoker. There's enough bad behaviour to go around. I Don't connect the violence with smoking but smokers feature very highly in the ranks of selfish behaviour. One example is littering which I reckon the majority of smokers do.

They do, I don't like it. I don't. My wife carries a little container and keeps he butts in it till she can empty it appropriately. I've been at parties and asked where the bin is and have been told by the property owner who were smokers to just throw it in the garden, I said nah, it's a floodplain, it'll end up in the river. I don't often smoke when I'm walking but if I do I'll carry the but to a bin and I smoke rollies. I don't like littering at all and even pick it up if a bin is at hand. The worst littering around here is fast food crap.

Not every smoker is a wanker that litters, just like a lot of non-smokers are.

Setanta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 9:10pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:02pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:57pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:52pm: There are always smokers in the non smoking areas near hospitals, most of them look homeless or that kind of look. Poor doctor,  he should have just called a security guard  He should have. They offer nicotine patches so you don't need to smoke in hospital. Don't blame bad behaviour on them being a smoker. There's enough bad behaviour to go around. I Don't connect the violence with smoking but smokers feature very highly in the ranks of selfish behaviour. One example is littering which I reckon the majority of smokers do. They do, I don't like it. I don't. My wife carries a little container and keeps he butts in it till she can empty it appropriately. I've been at parties and asked where the bin is and have been told by the property owner who were smokers to just throw it in the garden, I said nah, it's a floodplain, it'll end up in the river. I don't often smoke when I'm walking but if I do I'll carry the but to a bin and I smoke rollies. I don't like littering at all and even pick it up if a bin is at hand. The worst littering around here is fast food crap. Not every smoker is a wanker that litters, just like a lot of non-smokers are.

+1 to you but I reckon you're the exception. The streets, beaches and oceans of Sydney are covered in ciggy butts.

Haven't posted this for a while :)

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Gordon wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 9:14pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:10pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:02pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:57pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:52pm: There are always smokers in the non smoking areas near hospitals, most of them look homeless or that kind of look. Poor doctor,  he should have just called a security guard  He should have. They offer nicotine patches so you don't need to smoke in hospital. Don't blame bad behaviour on them being a smoker. There's enough bad behaviour to go around. I Don't connect the violence with smoking but smokers feature very highly in the ranks of selfish behaviour. One example is littering which I reckon the majority of smokers do. They do, I don't like it. I don't. My wife carries a little container and keeps he butts in it till she can empty it appropriately. I've been at parties and asked where the bin is and have been told by the property owner who were smokers to just throw it in the garden, I said nah, it's a floodplain, it'll end up in the river. I don't often smoke when I'm walking but if I do I'll carry the but to a bin and I smoke rollies. I don't like littering at all and even pick it up if a bin is at hand. The worst littering around here is fast food crap. Not every smoker is a wanker that litters, just like a lot of non-smokers are. +1 to you but I reckon you're the exception. The streets, beaches and oceans of Sydney are covered in ciggy butts.

I've even stopped my car when people(passengers) have thrown shyte out the window and told them to either pick it up and put it on the floor(of the car) for me to throw out when I get home or walk.

Gordon wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 9:15pm:

Haven't posted this for a while :)

Where's he live? Might not make it to an age where it matters. :-/

Setanta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 9:22pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:15pm: Haven't posted this for a while :) Where's he live? Might not make it to an age where it matters. :-/

I like how he style smokes

https://youtu.be/x4c_wI6kQyE

Gordon wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 9:25pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:22pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:15pm: Haven't posted this for a while :) Where's he live? Might not make it to an age where it matters. :-/ I like how he style smokes https://youtu.be/x4c_wI6kQyE

40 a day?! How does a kid afford that? I smell a rat over the the stench of tobacco.

Setanta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 9:28pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:25pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:22pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:15pm: Haven't posted this for a while :) Where's he live? Might not make it to an age where it matters. :-/ I like how he style smokes https://youtu.be/x4c_wI6kQyE 40 a day?! How does a kid afford that? I smell a rat of the the stench of tobacco.

All legit, this story did the rounds big time 7 or so years ago. His father buys them.

All the angst about Indonesia invading is not necessary as they'll all die of cancer first.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/www.thejakartapost.com/amp/news/2016/06/01/indonesia-on-track-to-worlds-highest-smoking-rates.html

Gordon wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 9:04pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:01pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:55pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:47pm: Greg, would you let kids sit around a campfire or BBQ? Don't google before you answer. I'm sure it's not good, but it comes down to frequency of exposure. People are complaining about getting a whiff of a little bit of 1/8 a of a gram. The products are the same but a wood fire burns how many kilo and how long do you sit around it? Even when it's just glowing, like a cigarette it's giving of the same chemicals. Would I advise people not to smoke? Sure, can't be good for you. But trying to demonise them is what I find unacceptable. I seriously hate it because it stinks. How's the winter wood burning up your way?

Wood? I only burn tobacco, it's safer. ;D

Not been cold here at all yet and we have no fire or heaters. Oh... yes, son has one oil heater, girl.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:28pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:12pm: Are you a smoker Herb? I gave up smoking 20 years ago because the cost of cigarettes had become prohibitive. My health has suffered ever since.

So you should never have smoked in the first place.  Cigarettes are to blame, not you stopping smoking them.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:28pm: Gnads wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:12pm: Are you a smoker Herb? I gave up smoking 20 years ago because the cost of cigarettes had become prohibitive. My health has suffered ever since. So you should never have smoked in the first place.  Cigarettes are to blame, not you stopping smoking them.

Well aren't you another self righteous one. Are you just as self righteous about the lard arses with diabetes t2 or are you against fat shaming?

Quote:

Well aren't you another self righteous one.

:o

Steady there Eddie!

Aussie wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 9:51pm:

Quote: Well aren't you another self righteous one. :o Steady there Eddie!

Have a problem with that?

I took up smoking just two years ago - in Sydney.
1. it acclimatised me to the pollution of Sydney
2. I was fed heaps of ciggies for free by fellow workers in Construction, before buying my own and doing so guaranteed me continual work and the best duties (doing sweet FA!).
3. I am no longer in Sydney and almost quit.


...when I worked in Medical Industry (the HEALTH industry).
It was a shame to see a fair few 'Medics' smoking. It was like Cops who break laws.
Hospitals should be the most 'strictest' of all against Smoking, Drinking, etc.
I never threw my medical weight around when working 'outside' of the Industry - its people's free choice.
But once inside or a part of the Industry - I would push the 'Don't smoke', etc.

Funny how the Cops invented the first 'Brewerys' in Australia (Rum Corps, etc) and now they carry 'Breath-alizers'.  :-?

Btw - the dude was a Houso bludger sponging off the  'free' Medical care provided for 'battlers' - he should have been sent back to England!

Setanta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:51pm: Quote: Well aren't you another self righteous one. :o Steady there Eddie! Have a problem with that?

Yeas.  We are all self righteous.  We even tell anecdotes of stopping the car because a passenger threw something out the window.....that sort of thing.

Aussie wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 10:08pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:54pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:51pm: Quote: Well aren't you another self righteous one. :o Steady there Eddie! Have a problem with that? Yeas.  We are all self righteous.  We even tell anecdotes of stopping the car because a passenger threw something out the window.....that sort of thing.

Self righteous? It's breaking the law and making a mess and reflects on me and my car. I don't do it, just look on the floor of my car, do it from your own car, not mine or walk.

true story. Not so long ago i parked at one of those big shopping centre carparks, when i returned just as I was walking towards my car I saw a woman from a parked car next to me throw an empty (or so i thought) choc milk carton out her door and next to my own parked car. As I returned to  my car I picked it up and threw it back through her open window saying " I think you dropped something", and yes, you guessed it, the carton wasnt empty, choc milk all over her and the inside of the car.  Quite funny. I hate litterers.n And smokers who do so in public are litterers, cigarette smoke is litter. Over the years Ive had a few people in public sit near me and light up a cigarette, they wont do that again, I take extreme exception to that type of self entitled behaviour. And dont get me started about mobile phones.

rhino wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 10:18pm:

true story. Not so long ago i parked at one of those big shopping centre carparks, when i returned just as I was walking towards my car I saw a woman from a parked car next to me throw an empty (or so i thought) choc milk carton out her door and next to my own parked car. As I returned to  my car I picked it up and threw it back through her open window saying " I think you dropped something", and yes, you guessed it, the carton wasnt empty, choc milk all over her and the inside of the car.  Quite funny. I hate litterers.n And smokers who do so in public are litterers, cigarette smoke is litter. Over the years Ive had a few people in public sit near me and light up a cigarette, they wont do that again, I take extreme exception to that type of self entitled behaviour. And dont get me started about mobile phones.

I don't smoke near people unless they themselves are, I remove myself from the vicinity, even on my own property if I have visitors that do not smoke. It's not that hard to be considerate.

After I shagged a hooker, I was still barred up and decided to give myself a flog.
I copped a slap on the head by the hooker who angrily said "I don't allow Self Service in my hour!"
Sheesh! :o

Jasin wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 10:32pm:

After I shagged a hooker, I was still barred up and decided to give myself a flog. I copped a slap on the head by the hooker who angrily said "I don't allow Self Service in my hour!" Sheesh! :o

If it was still in "her hour" why wasn't she doing the job? Never been to a hooker myself.

Setanta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 10:18pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 10:08pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:54pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:51pm: Quote: Well aren't you another self righteous one. :o Steady there Eddie! Have a problem with that? Yeas.  We are all self righteous.  We even tell anecdotes of stopping the car because a passenger threw something out the window.....that sort of thing. Self righteous? It's breaking the law and making a mess and reflects on me and my car. I don't do it, just look on the floor of my car, do it from your own car, not mine or walk.

Yes.  Self righteous.

:)

Aussie wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 10:36pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 10:18pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 10:08pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:54pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:51pm: Quote: Well aren't you another self righteous one. :o Steady there Eddie! Have a problem with that? Yeas.  We are all self righteous.  We even tell anecdotes of stopping the car because a passenger threw something out the window.....that sort of thing. Self righteous? It's breaking the law and making a mess and reflects on me and my car. I don't do it, just look on the floor of my car, do it from your own car, not mine or walk. Yes.  Self righteous. :)

Would you consider yourself self righteous if I was visiting you and decided to egg your neighbours property and you told me to piss off?

Setanta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 10:35pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 10:32pm: After I shagged a hooker, I was still barred up and decided to give myself a flog. I copped a slap on the head by the hooker who angrily said "I don't allow Self Service in my hour!" Sheesh! :o If it was still in "her hour" why wasn't she doing the job? Never been to a hooker myself.

I guess she just felt rooted  :-?

I've knocked up my 'century' of the Good, the Bad & the Ugly.

These days though, 6 years 'celibate' and lovin it.  :D

Jasin wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 10:35pm: Jasin wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 10:32pm: After I shagged a hooker, I was still barred up and decided to give myself a flog. I copped a slap on the head by the hooker who angrily said "I don't allow Self Service in my hour!" Sheesh! :o If it was still in "her hour" why wasn't she doing the job? Never been to a hooker myself. I guess she just felt rooted  :-? I've knocked up my 'century' of the Good, the Bad & the Ugly. These days though, 6 years 'celibate' and lovin it.  :D

You'll die of prostate cancer if you keep it up. ;D

Setanta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 10:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 10:36pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 10:18pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 10:08pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:54pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:51pm: Quote: Well aren't you another self righteous one. :o Steady there Eddie! Have a problem with that? Yeas.  We are all self righteous.  We even tell anecdotes of stopping the car because a passenger threw something out the window.....that sort of thing. Self righteous? It's breaking the law and making a mess and reflects on me and my car. I don't do it, just look on the floor of my car, do it from your own car, not mine or walk. Yes.  Self righteous. :) Would you consider yourself self righteous if I was visiting you and decided to egg your neighbours property and you told me to piss off?

No.  But if I openly bragged about it......yes, self righteous.

:)

Aussie wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 10:45pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 10:37pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 10:36pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 10:18pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 10:08pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:54pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:51pm: Quote: Well aren't you another self righteous one. :o Steady there Eddie! Have a problem with that? Yeas.  We are all self righteous.  We even tell anecdotes of stopping the car because a passenger threw something out the window.....that sort of thing. Self righteous? It's breaking the law and making a mess and reflects on me and my car. I don't do it, just look on the floor of my car, do it from your own car, not mine or walk. Yes.  Self righteous. :) Would you consider yourself self righteous if I was visiting you and decided to egg your neighbours property and you told me to piss off? No.  But if I openly bragged about it......yes, self righteous. :)

So If I kiss and tell, that's self righteous?

No.

Come on.  Stay relevant.

Setanta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 10:41pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 10:38pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 10:35pm: Jasin wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 10:32pm: After I shagged a hooker, I was still barred up and decided to give myself a flog. I copped a slap on the head by the hooker who angrily said "I don't allow Self Service in my hour!" Sheesh! :o If it was still in "her hour" why wasn't she doing the job? Never been to a hooker myself. I guess she just felt rooted  :-? I've knocked up my 'century' of the Good, the Bad & the Ugly. These days though, 6 years 'celibate' and lovin it.  :D You'll die of prostate cancer if you keep it up. ;D

I really have no cum back for that one Setanta.

So the dangers of smoking aside, I still don't see why a doctor, a surgeon at the hospital, telling someone they're smoking in a non-smoking area is deserving of, or the outcome of the coward punch was totally self inflicted or an own goal.

This isn't a limp wristed "PC one wild" lefty anti smoking Nazi chasing people around screaming at them, this guy was breaking the law where he was smoking and told to move along.

If following the doctor back into the building and coward punching him most likely after he'd finished his cigarette resulting in his death is something people on here will defend because they're most likely smokers themselves and sick of being told where they can and can't smoke just proves that OzPol once again is a beacon for some of the most pathetic members of our society.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 7:23am:

So the dangers of smoking aside, I still don't see why a doctor, a surgeon at the hospital, telling someone they're smoking in a non-smoking area is deserving of, or the outcome of the coward punch was totally self inflicted or an own goal. This isn't a limp wristed "PC one wild" lefty anti smoking Nazi chasing people around screaming at them, this guy was breaking the law where he was smoking and told to move along. If following the doctor back into the building and coward punching him most likely after he'd finished his cigarette resulting in his death is something people on here will defend because they're most likely smokers themselves and sick of being told where they can and can't smoke just proves that OzPol once again is a beacon for some of the most pathetic members of our society.

Two members have admitted to still smoking in the poll, neither of them have defended the guy...

Why no poll option for never smoked

Setanta wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 7:37am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 7:23am: So the dangers of smoking aside, I still don't see why a doctor, a surgeon at the hospital, telling someone they're smoking in a non-smoking area is deserving of, or the outcome of the coward punch was totally self inflicted or an own goal. This isn't a limp wristed "PC one wild" lefty anti smoking Nazi chasing people around screaming at them, this guy was breaking the law where he was smoking and told to move along. If following the doctor back into the building and coward punching him most likely after he'd finished his cigarette resulting in his death is something people on here will defend because they're most likely smokers themselves and sick of being told where they can and can't smoke just proves that OzPol once again is a beacon for some of the most pathetic members of our society. Two members have admitted to still smoking in the poll, neither of them have defended the guy...

Herb does.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 8:25am:

Setanta wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 7:37am: ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 7:23am: So the dangers of smoking aside, I still don't see why a doctor, a surgeon at the hospital, telling someone they're smoking in a non-smoking area is deserving of, or the outcome of the coward punch was totally self inflicted or an own goal. This isn't a limp wristed "PC one wild" lefty anti smoking Nazi chasing people around screaming at them, this guy was breaking the law where he was smoking and told to move along. If following the doctor back into the building and coward punching him most likely after he'd finished his cigarette resulting in his death is something people on here will defend because they're most likely smokers themselves and sick of being told where they can and can't smoke just proves that OzPol once again is a beacon for some of the most pathetic members of our society. Two members have admitted to still smoking in the poll, neither of them have defended the guy... Herb does.

Herb doesn't smoke.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 7:23am:

So the dangers of smoking aside, I still don't see why a doctor, a surgeon at the hospital, telling someone they're smoking in a non-smoking area is deserving of, or the outcome of the coward punch was totally self inflicted or an own goal. This isn't a limp wristed "PC one wild" lefty anti smoking Nazi chasing people around screaming at them, this guy was breaking the law where he was smoking and told to move along. If following the doctor back into the building and coward punching him most likely after he'd finished his cigarette resulting in his death is something people on here will defend because they're most likely smokers themselves and sick of being told where they can and can't smoke just proves that OzPol once again is a beacon for some of the most pathetic members of our society.

We don't know in what manner the doctor told the fellow to stop smoking. Bear in mind that Arabs (the perpetrator) have a FAR more 'macho' and intolerant attitude than the average Westerner when it comes to being humiliated by someone for whatever reason. He hit the doctor to reclaim his masculinity. That's the way it works with those guys. The doctor 'feminised' him with a tirade of abuse that made him feel like he was the doctor's 'bitch' - and that's a big no-no in Arabic culture.

The fact the doctor died from one punch was purely accidental.

He'll be out in 4.

Watch this space.

Setanta wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 8:39am:

Herb doesn't smoke.

Haven't smoked for over 20 years now. I gave up 'cold turkey' when my brother was told to stop smoking or lose his leg.

No one ever loved smoking more than I did, but the time had simply arrived when enough was enough.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 8:58am:

No one ever loved smoking more than I did

I think anyone who has smoked would have loved smoking as much as you did Herbert.

I can see both sides of this, but this lout should be charged with premeditated murder at least. He hit the doctor on the head as he walked away He's using mental health issues as an excuse. If he was desperate for a cigarette - he could have walked outside the hospital to have one. He was young and physically healthy.

Setanta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 8:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:50pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:47pm: Greg, would you let kids sit around a campfire or BBQ? You're starting an argument you won't win. I'm going for dinner now. When I return, I will make you look quite foolish. Before you make me look foolish, read this. http://burningissues.org/ws-more-damage-ts.html After you finish remember a cigarette is probably a 1/8 gram of plant matter, like wood.

Thanks for that.

I read your article from 2001.

Here's mine, from 2013:

No serious harm in breathing wood smoke

"New study surprises by telling us not to worry about breathing in dense wood smoke for up to hours at a time."

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 5:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:50pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 8:47pm: Greg, would you let kids sit around a campfire or BBQ? You're starting an argument you won't win. I'm going for dinner now. When I return, I will make you look quite foolish. Before you make me look foolish, read this. http://burningissues.org/ws-more-damage-ts.html After you finish remember a cigarette is probably a 1/8 gram of plant matter, like wood. Thanks for that. I read your article from 2001. Here's mine, from 2013: No serious harm in breathing wood smoke "New study surprises by telling us not to worry about breathing in dense wood smoke for up to hours at a time."

I have to go out in min for dinner but think about it, the same chemicals are in wood smoke that are in tobacco smoke, they are both plant matter. Studying people for three hours in smoke is probably not enough. Just as people getting a bit of a whiff of tobacco will do no harm.

From your article.

Quote:

Constant wood smoke exposure causes asthma and early death New research from the US and Australia shows that reducing the emissions of wood smoke in residential areas has a significant effect on the development of asthma in children, and also on mortality.

Setanta wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 5:34pm:

Just as people getting a bit of a whiff of tobacco will do no harm.

Excuse me, but:

"There is no level of exposure to secondhand smoke that is free of risk."

"There’s no safe level of exposure for secondhand smoke (SHS)."

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/tobacco-and-cancer/secondhand-smoke.html

http://www.quit.org.au/about/frequently-asked-questions/faqs-passive-smoking/diseases-secondhand-smoke.html

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 5:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:34pm: Just as people getting a bit of a whiff of tobacco will do no harm. Excuse me, but: "There is no level of exposure to secondhand smoke that is free of risk." "Secondhand smoke (SHS) has the same harmful chemicals that smokers inhale. There’s no safe level of exposure for secondhand smoke (SHS)."

Why is that Greg? Wood smoke has the same chemicals.

Don't forget smokers get first hand and second hand smoke or does first hand smoke make you immune to the effect of shs? You don't think a group trying to stomp out smoking might be a little biased?

Seeya in a few hours.

Setanta wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 5:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:42pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:34pm: Just as people getting a bit of a whiff of tobacco will do no harm. Excuse me, but: "There is no level of exposure to secondhand smoke that is free of risk." "Secondhand smoke (SHS) has the same harmful chemicals that smokers inhale. There’s no safe level of exposure for secondhand smoke (SHS)." Why is that Greg?

You'll have to ask the experts.

Bottom line: smoking serves no other purpose other than deteriorating one's health.

Moreover, one puff (or smell of second hand smoke) is enough to do damage.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 5:50pm:

Bottom line: smoking serves no other purpose other than deteriorating one's health.

Proven benefits of smoking is that it inhibits the onset of Alzheimer's and it prevents tooth-decay, and ...

"When a person smokes, nicotine reaches the brain in eight seconds and causes the release of a chemical called dopamine. Dopamine causes feelings of pleasure and relaxation, a sensation the body craves again and again".

"The stress relief you get from smoking comes from the act of taking time out to smoke a cigarette and from the chemical actions of nicotine in your brain. ... Smoking is only a temporary solution for handling stress, tension, or depression".

"It increases oxygen to the brain, lowers stress, calms nerves and improves your mood! Share".

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:50pm: Bottom line: smoking serves no other purpose other than deteriorating one's health. Proven benefits of smoking is that it inhibits the onset of Alzheimer's and it prevents tooth-decay, and ... "When a person smokes, nicotine reaches the brain in eight seconds and causes the release of a chemical called dopamine. Dopamine causes feelings of pleasure and relaxation, a sensation the body craves again and again". "The stress relief you get from smoking comes from the act of taking time out to smoke a cigarette and from the chemical actions of nicotine in your brain. ... Smoking is only a temporary solution for handling stress, tension, or depression". "It increases oxygen to the brain, lowers stress, calms nerves and improves your mood! Share".

That myth has been debunked a million and one times.

Smoking does not lower stress or calm nerves.

Smoking serves no other purpose other than deteriorating one's health.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 6:25pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 6:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:50pm: Bottom line: smoking serves no other purpose other than deteriorating one's health. Proven benefits of smoking is that it inhibits the onset of Alzheimer's and it prevents tooth-decay, and ... "When a person smokes, nicotine reaches the brain in eight seconds and causes the release of a chemical called dopamine. Dopamine causes feelings of pleasure and relaxation, a sensation the body craves again and again". "The stress relief you get from smoking comes from the act of taking time out to smoke a cigarette and from the chemical actions of nicotine in your brain. ... Smoking is only a temporary solution for handling stress, tension, or depression". "It increases oxygen to the brain, lowers stress, calms nerves and improves your mood! Share". That myth has been debunked a million and one times. Smoking does not lower stress or calm nerves. Smoking serves no other purpose other than deteriorating one's health.

Smoking does reduce stress, but only stress that is related to the withdrawal of not smoking.

Look.

Tobacco, marijuana, alcohol, even Heroin and Opium are 'ancient' pain relief remedies.
If it was the Civil war and I had to 'saw' your leg off - I wouldn't hesitate in using any one of these to lessen the impact.
Now when you have a 'hole' to fill, these work.
But when there is no 'hole', they don't work and actually make a 'lump' so to speak that you will 'trip' over!
The 'problem' is that people take these when there is no 'problem' in the first place to justify their use.
So they are 'tripping' all over the place.
Pain Relievers need 'pain' to work.
No pain and you get a nasty side effect instead.
People who take these consistently (without pain) and for 'recreational'  ::) use find that when they do have pain or need their leg sawn off, that they have a very weak pain threshold and no amount of pain relief will alleviate their discomfort.

Find a person who has never smoked Pot and another person who has smoked it weekly for years. Saw their legs off and the 'non-smoker' when using it for the first time, would feel mild discomfort, while the pot head would probably die from the pain itself, even if he had 5 times more pot than the non-smoker at the time of the amputation.

Now, if I was Nursing and that 'smoker' gave me a look of 'anger' in his eyes - I wouldn't turn my back on him until I was absolutely sure the 'brat' was beyond a comeback, but as usual - their 'need for revenge' is obvious and he would attack me asap. I would of course kick his butt and in a Court of Law ...if you get beaten up by a Nurse, then you most likely 'deserved it'!  ;)

It's curious indeed that smoking is found in every corner of the planet, from the depth of the Amazon jungle to the foothills of the Himalayas, from Outback China to the villages of the Indian subcontinent, from the penthouse suites of the rich and famous to the Skid Row precincts of every major city.

Coincidence? Hardly.

It answers a need in just the same way as the consumption of alcohol so obviously satisfies a need.

"Alcohol makes a man feel like he should feel without alcohol".

W.C.Fields.

(Who said he forgot to thank his ex-wife for driving him to drink).

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

It's curious indeed that smoking is found in every corner of the planet, from the depth of the Amazon jungle to the foothills of the Himalayas, from Outback China to the villages of the Indian subcontinent, from the penthouse suites of the rich and famous to the Skid Row precincts of every major city.

So is rape.

Your point?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 5:50pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:42pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:34pm: Just as people getting a bit of a whiff of tobacco will do no harm. Excuse me, but: "There is no level of exposure to secondhand smoke that is free of risk." "Secondhand smoke (SHS) has the same harmful chemicals that smokers inhale. There’s no safe level of exposure for secondhand smoke (SHS)." Why is that Greg? You'll have to ask the experts. Bottom line: smoking serves no other purpose other than deteriorating one's health. Moreover, one puff (or smell of second hand smoke) is enough to do damage.

Had a good night out on Geoff Hannah's dollar. Great set of neighbours we have.
While I agree with your bottom line, I disagree with your moreover. It contains the same chemicals that are in wood smoke, if one puff of one is enough to do damage, one sniff of the other is also and vise versa. Let's not drop all rationality because you are one of the ex-smokers that whine like buggery.

Setanta wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 10:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:50pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:42pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:34pm: Just as people getting a bit of a whiff of tobacco will do no harm. Excuse me, but: "There is no level of exposure to secondhand smoke that is free of risk." "Secondhand smoke (SHS) has the same harmful chemicals that smokers inhale. There’s no safe level of exposure for secondhand smoke (SHS)." Why is that Greg? You'll have to ask the experts. Bottom line: smoking serves no other purpose other than deteriorating one's health. Moreover, one puff (or smell of second hand smoke) is enough to do damage. Had a good night out on Geoff Hannah's dollar. Great set of neighbours we have. While I agree with your bottom line, I disagree with your moreover. It contains the same chemicals that are in wood smoke, if one puff of one is enough to do damage, one sniff of the other is also and vise versa. Let's not drop all rationality because you are one of the ex-smokers that whine like buggery.

The same identical chemicals in the very same amounts?

Yeah, no...

Let's not drop all rationality because you are a whiny little bitch baby smoker trying to justify killing themselves or those around you while trying to convince yourself that you're in control of your addiction.

Setanta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

Valkie wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 6:45pm: I think more people should smoke We should give fee cartons to all muzzos and unemplyed people. Bring back smoking in a big way. Then Those of us who have never smoked will live long fruitful lives While the smokers die out and lessen the drain on pensions. :D Feel free to send me as much as you like. I think you should take up a collection, put it into an account and let me buy until the day I die, enough for the rest of my life, whatever I don't smoke, you can donate to the cancer council. Bunch of moaners. I don't smoke near people that don't like it, I ask if I am near people. I don't smoke in the house anymore as we have my GChhild living here. Before that if I had visitors I would go outside without asking them. You lot complain about the smell but over the top perfume makes me feel ill, can I stop women walking down the street wearing it? Get over yourselves. Do any of you let kids sit around an open fire? I'd like to ask you to answer truthfully, do you believe SH smoking worse than smoking? I've read it is.

;D that's because your nasal cavity & Olfactory nerve are covered in tar.

Honestly if you think the reek of stale tobacco is better than a perfume then you've been smoking way too long.

I can smell smokers from 5 mtrs or more ... the only smell that it is better than is ...

the stench of people with rank BO .... who obviously haven't heard of deodorant.

Setanta wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 10:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:50pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:42pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:34pm: Just as people getting a bit of a whiff of tobacco will do no harm. Excuse me, but: "There is no level of exposure to secondhand smoke that is free of risk." "Secondhand smoke (SHS) has the same harmful chemicals that smokers inhale. There’s no safe level of exposure for secondhand smoke (SHS)." Why is that Greg? You'll have to ask the experts. Bottom line: smoking serves no other purpose other than deteriorating one's health. Moreover, one puff (or smell of second hand smoke) is enough to do damage. Had a good night out on Geoff Hannah's dollar. Great set of neighbours we have. While I agree with your bottom line, I disagree with your moreover. It contains the same chemicals that are in wood smoke ...

... plus a whole lot more.


http://www.compoundchem.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Cigarette-Smoke-Compounds-March-15.png

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 9:17am:

http://www.compoundchem.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Cigarette-Smoke-Compounds-March-15.png

Okay ... now show the same chart for emissions from car exhausts, factory chimneys, smelting works, plane exhausts, etc.

The doctor walked into the cancer ward and said "Hands up all of you who smoked".

The vast majority raised their hands.

Then one of the patients called out "Hands up all of you who spent most of your life commuting in traffic to and from work".

The vast majority raised their hands.

etc etc ....

My brother didn't smoke but died of cancer caused by the ethanol in alcohol.

There are any number of reasons for what causes healthy cells to become cancerous.

Japan had the lowest rate of cancer in the world but a very high rate of smoking.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 9:55am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 9:17am: http://www.compoundchem.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Cigarette-Smoke-Compounds-March-15.png Okay ... now show the same chart for emissions from car exhausts, factory chimneys, smelting works, plane exhausts, etc.

Once more, for the slow learners at the back of the class:

Smoking serves no other purpose other than deteriorating one's health.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 10:05am:

Once more, for the slow learners at the back of the class: Smoking serves no other purpose other than deteriorating one's health.

Churchill won the Second World War with a tube of burning tobacco between his teeth.

8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 9:55am:

Japan had the lowest rate of cancer in the world but a very high rate of smoking.

And you make that claim in an argument out of ignorance to support your narrative.

While the statistic might be true (I've not fact checked it), it doesn't mean "therefore smoking is safe".

You can't cast doubt on accepted scientific understanding all you like, but unless you bring any real evidence to the table, which you clearly have not, you can't go making any claims what so ever, at least none that can hold more than an anecdotal story of someone with a clear agenda to push.

A quick fact check shows that men who smoke in the US are on average ~40 times more likely to get lung cancer than those who don't but in Japan, men who smoke are only on average ~6 times more likely to get lung cancer.

There are however many reasons for this that would be off topic in this thread as it's not about smoking per se but the coward punch attack by a dickhead smoking in a clearly nonsmoking area of a hospital being told not by an attending surgeon at the hospital.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 10:10am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 9:55am: Japan had the lowest rate of cancer in the world but a very high rate of smoking. And you make that claim in an argument out of ignorance to support your narrative. While the statistic might be true (I've not fact checked it), it doesn't mean "therefore smoking is safe". You can't cast doubt on accepted scientific understanding all you like, but unless you bring any real evidence to the table, which you clearly have not, you can't go making any claims what so ever, at least none that can hold more than an anecdotal story of someone with a clear agenda to push.

The interesting thing about the Japanese statistic is that might it not be their fish diet that accounts for the relatively low incidence of cancer?

I've since heard that the meat we buy at the butchers, when cooked, is a factor that lends itself to the development of cancer in people whose genes make them vulnerable to cancer.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 10:14am:

The interesting thing about the Japanese statistic is that might it not be their fish diet that accounts for the relatively low incidence of cancer? I've since heard that the meat we buy at the butchers, when cooked, is a factor that lends itself to the development of cancer in people whose genes make them vulnerable to cancer.

Well, if you insist on pushing this line, there current understanding of the paradox has a dietary component, but not one as specific as you claim.

[list bull-blackball]

Lower levels of cancer-causing ingredients in Japanese cigarettes.  In the United States, roughly 70 of the chemicals found in cigarettes are thought to cause cancer. While tobacco is present in most cigarettes, the type and proportion of these other chemicals can vary widely.
[list bull-blackball]

Genetic factors that result in Japanese men being more resistant to the smoking-related development of lung cancer. Though you may think of lung cancer as being a smoking-related disease, there are many causes, and some people carry a predisposition to the disease. In fact, one of these "breast cancer genes" known as BRCA2 is linked with a 2 fold risk of developing lung cancer in women who smoke.
[list bull-blackball]

Lower alcohol consumption by Japanese males.  High alcohol consumption is linked with a higher risk of lung cancer, though some types of alcoholic beverages may result in more risk than others. Genetic factors may also play a role in this factor, as one study found no link between alcohol and lung cancer in Chinese men.
[list bull-blackball]

Lower fat intake by Japanese males. A lower fat intake in the diet is associated with a lower risk of developing lung cancer.
[list bull-blackball]

The higher efficiency of filters in Japanese cigarettes. There is more use of activated charcoal in the filters of Japanese cigarettes than cigarettes available in the United States. You may be familiar with activated charcoal as it is used in emergency rooms to treat some poisonings and overdoses. Activated charcoal binds some chemicals, but certainly not all. 
[list bull-blackball]

Earlier age of smoking onset in American men.  American men begin smoking, on average, at least 2.5 years earlier than Japanese men.
[list bull-blackball]

Lifestyle factors other than smoking.  Certain dietary factors are associated with a lower risk of lung cancer. In addition, exercise - even small amounts - appears to reduce the risk of lung cancer.
The debate is not about smoking since we know that smoking causes lung cancer.

The debate is about why Japanese smokers have a lower incidence of lung cancer, even though they smoke more. The answer is most likely a combination of these reasons.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 10:26am:

The debate is not about smoking since we know that smoking causes lung cancer.

And that's just one detrimental effect it has on health.

It's causes many other health problems as well.

Excellent research, Sad.

Thank you for graphically confirming most of what I have been saying ... ie. that although there are many different factors that can cause a person to present with cancer, the medical profession invariably parrots the catch-all mantra that it was smoking that caused your cancer.

That sort of lazy complacency annoys me.

Long-term smokers are at a higher risk of developing a range of potentially deadly diseases including:

Cancer of the lungs, mouth, nose, throat, oesophagus, pancreas, kidney, liver, bladder, bowel, ovary, cervix, bone marrow, and stomach.

Lung diseases such as Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD) which includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema.

Heart disease , heart attack and stroke.

Poor blood circulation in feet and hands, which can lead to pain and, in severe cases, gangrene and amputation. 

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 10:39am:

That sort of lazy complacency annoys me.

The fact you think you know better than the medical professionals who have published peer reviewed research annoys me.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 9:55am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 9:17am: http://www.compoundchem.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Cigarette-Smoke-Compounds-March-15.png Okay ... now show the same chart for emissions from car exhausts, factory chimneys, smelting works, plane exhausts, etc. The doctor walked into the cancer ward and said "Hands up all of you who smoked". The vast majority raised their hands. Then one of the patients called out "Hands up all of you who spent most of your life commuting in traffic to and from work". The vast majority raised their hands. etc etc .... My brother didn't smoke but died of cancer caused by the ethanol in alcohol. There are any number of reasons for what causes healthy cells to become cancerous. Japan had the lowest rate of cancer in the world but a very high rate of smoking.

Totally irrelevant.

inhibits the onset of Alzheimer's


Yes, death by cancer at 50 will generally stop you getting Alzheimer's

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 11:08am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 10:39am: That sort of lazy complacency annoys me. The fact you think you know better than the medical professionals who have published peer reviewed research annoys me.

I have long since abandoned my childlike belief that doctors are people of immaculate virgin birth whose every word is sacrosanct. The number of lethal misdiagnoses each year in Britain and elsewhere is at epidemic proportions, costing hundreds of lives.

It might be time you disabused yourself of the notion that the medical profession is composed of godlike figures who shouldn't be challenged by their patients.

I had a misdiagnosis from a top urologist in Sydney with whom I argued until we became quite heated. My GP scolded me that I shouldn't have argued with the specialist, but then couldn't meet my eyes when another specialist - a professor of Urology - confirmed that I had been correct and the specialist had been wrong.

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miketrees wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

inhibits the onset of Alzheimer's Yes, death by cancer at 50 will generally stop you getting Alzheimer's

Hysterical.

But yes, it inhibits the onset of Alzheimer's.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 6:23pm:

miketrees wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 4:38pm: inhibits the onset of Alzheimer's Yes, death by cancer at 50 will generally stop you getting Alzheimer's Hysterical. But yes, it inhibits the onset of Alzheimer's.

Smoking inhibits the onset of Alzheimers?
;D

And there's you in an above response saying you've long given up the childlike belief that doctors are conceived of virgin births etc. etc.

I've seen plenty of old blokes with dementia/alzheimers smoking .............

what happened there? ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 10:42am:

Long-term smokers are at a higher risk of developing a range of potentially deadly diseases including: Cancer of the lungs, mouth, nose, throat, oesophagus, pancreas, kidney, liver, bladder, bowel, ovary, cervix, bone marrow, and stomach. Lung diseases such as Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD) which includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. Heart disease , heart attack and stroke. Poor blood circulation in feet and hands, which can lead to pain and, in severe cases, gangrene and amputation.

my dad died at 89  smoked since he was about 12 I think...his fingers were black and I mean black from nicotine   never remember him without a cigarette yet his lungs were clear...he suffered from gout .

he was a miserable old bugger so I reckon that was what kept him here so long...

look at CHurchill smoked those cigars...

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 7:48am:

Setanta wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 10:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:50pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:42pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 29th, 2017 at 5:34pm: Just as people getting a bit of a whiff of tobacco will do no harm. Excuse me, but: "There is no level of exposure to secondhand smoke that is free of risk." "Secondhand smoke (SHS) has the same harmful chemicals that smokers inhale. There’s no safe level of exposure for secondhand smoke (SHS)." Why is that Greg? You'll have to ask the experts. Bottom line: smoking serves no other purpose other than deteriorating one's health. Moreover, one puff (or smell of second hand smoke) is enough to do damage. Had a good night out on Geoff Hannah's dollar. Great set of neighbours we have. While I agree with your bottom line, I disagree with your moreover. It contains the same chemicals that are in wood smoke, if one puff of one is enough to do damage, one sniff of the other is also and vise versa. Let's not drop all rationality because you are one of the ex-smokers that whine like buggery. The same identical chemicals in the very same amounts? Yeah, no... Let's not drop all rationality because you are a whiny little bitch baby smoker trying to justify killing themselves or those around you while trying to convince yourself that you're in control of your addiction.

What chems does tobacco have that other biomass not have? I'm not trying to justify anything, I've said smoking is bad mkay. What I am saying is that this one sniff will give you cancer is crap. Any burnt vege matter has toxins, just because one is named tobacco does not make it worse than the others.

The Poll ...

To you who gave up recently ~ my sincere congratulations. You've taken the first step, and now the hardest part is yet to come, and that's to not back-slide on an impulse in the days and weeks to come.

Setanta wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

What I am saying is that this one sniff will give you cancer is crap.

Who said that?

I'm curious.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 8:38pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 8:07pm: What I am saying is that this one sniff will give you cancer is crap. Who said that? I'm curious.

It seems to be the implication, one sniff will do you harm, I can back that one up with a quote of yours.

Setanta wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 8:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 8:38pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 8:07pm: What I am saying is that this one sniff will give you cancer is crap. Who said that? I'm curious. It seems to be the implication, one sniff will do you harm, I can back that one up with a quote of yours.

Ah.

You moved the goal posts.

Sneaky.

Post any quote of mine you like, however, not one of them will say "one sniff will give you cancer".

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 8:43pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 8:40pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 8:38pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 8:07pm: What I am saying is that this one sniff will give you cancer is crap. Who said that? I'm curious. It seems to be the implication, one sniff will do you harm, I can back that one up with a quote of yours. Ah. You moved the goal posts. Sneaky. Post any quote of mine you like, however, not one of them will say "one sniff will give you cancer".

Shall we stick with one whiff will cause you harm then? I'm happy with that.

Setanta wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 8:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 8:43pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 8:40pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 8:38pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 8:07pm: What I am saying is that this one sniff will give you cancer is crap. Who said that? I'm curious. It seems to be the implication, one sniff will do you harm, I can back that one up with a quote of yours. Ah. You moved the goal posts. Sneaky. Post any quote of mine you like, however, not one of them will say "one sniff will give you cancer". Shall we stick with one whiff will cause you harm then? I'm happy with that.

Yes.

There is NO safe level of exposure.

Remember, though: smoking causes way more damage than just cancer.

Off to dinner now, so you'll have to debate this with someone else.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 8:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 8:43pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 8:40pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 8:38pm: Setanta wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 8:07pm: What I am saying is that this one sniff will give you cancer is crap. Who said that? I'm curious. It seems to be the implication, one sniff will do you harm, I can back that one up with a quote of yours. Ah. You moved the goal posts. Sneaky. Post any quote of mine you like, however, not one of them will say "one sniff will give you cancer". Shall we stick with one whiff will cause you harm then? I'm happy with that. Yes. There is NO safe level of exposure. Remember, though: smoking causes way more damage than just cancer. Off to dinner now, so you'll have to debate this with someone else.

Then we are back at square one. If there is no safe level of exposure, there is no safe level of exposure to any burning plant matter. They all emit the same toxins.