Just like the pathetic ALP in this country, the Democrats have no time for an ex party figure who has EVER dared to question the party line on anything.
So moderate Jo Lieberman was against some if the radical Mohammed Obama's policies. So he favoured McCain over Obama when he was an independent.

Now they won't have a bar of him as FBI Director. They use the excuse that he's not a law enforcement professional. You have to be a specialist to be a CEO?No, you just have to be a seasoned, experienced person of sound judgement.

The only flaw I can see with Lieberman is in ever getting involved in that ratbag party as it now is.

bogarde73 wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 7:02am:

Mohammed Obama's

WHo?

Lieberman has never worked for the cops in his life. The FBI Director is a career posting, not some political reward. The Justice Department merely signs off on it.

What's Trump trying to do? Fill the swamp?

I wouldnt hire anyone named lieberman for such an important post. 

Seems his loyalties lie elsewhere...to another tribe, if you will.

even republicans are saying that in this current environment, the next FBI director should not have ANY political affiliations. Which is of course why Trump will try and get Jared Kushner in or perhaps Steve Bannon or another one of his kids or sychophants. Trump does not learn.

longweekend58 wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 1:21pm:

even republicans are saying that in this current environment, the next FBI director should not have ANY political affiliations. Which is of course why Trump will try and get Jared Kushner in or perhaps Steve Bannon or another one of his kids or sychophants. Trump does not learn.

Speaking of not learning, youre still making up rubbish like the above, and you still owe me an apology.

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 1:18pm:

I wouldnt hire anyone named lieberman for such an important post.  Seems his loyalties lie elsewhere...to another tribe, if you will.

They used to say that about J Edgar Hoover. He didn't belong to another tribe, he was a raging hommer.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Big Donger wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 1:31pm:

... wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 1:18pm: I wouldnt hire anyone named lieberman for such an important post.  Seems his loyalties lie elsewhere...to another tribe, if you will. They used to say that about J Edgar Hoover. He didn't belong to another tribe, he was a raging hommer. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

and cross-dresser.

bogarde73 wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 7:02am:

Just like the pathetic ALP in this country, the Democrats have no time for an ex party figure who has EVER dared to question the party line on anything. So moderate Jo Lieberman was against some if the radical Mohammed Obama's policies. So he favoured McCain over Obama when he was an independent. Now they won't have a bar of him as FBI Director. They use the excuse that he's not a law enforcement professional. You have to be a specialist to be a CEO?No, you just have to be a seasoned, experienced person of sound judgement. The only flaw I can see with Lieberman is in ever getting involved in that ratbag party as it now is.

Sorry Bogarde.

I know you mean well but  don't agree.

Lieberman is a neo-con and insider - another word compromised.

We need a clean outsider, no blemishes an innocent and a straight talker - Trey Gowdy or Judge Nepolitano perhaps?

Richdude wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 2:04pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:02am: Just like the pathetic ALP in this country, the Democrats have no time for an ex party figure who has EVER dared to question the party line on anything. So moderate Jo Lieberman was against some if the radical Mohammed Obama's policies. So he favoured McCain over Obama when he was an independent. Now they won't have a bar of him as FBI Director. They use the excuse that he's not a law enforcement professional. You have to be a specialist to be a CEO?No, you just have to be a seasoned, experienced person of sound judgement. The only flaw I can see with Lieberman is in ever getting involved in that ratbag party as it now is. Sorry Bogarde. I know you mean well but  don't agree. Lieberman is a neo-con and insider - another word compromised. We need a clean outsider, no blemishes an innocent and a straight talker - Trey Gowdy or Judge Nepolitano perhaps?

The point everybody's making is you need an FBI investigator.

What are you going to do? Put your political stooges through a couple of years training at Quantico?

Jo Lieberman and his firm have too much history with Trump, there is a conflict of interest, again.  But does it surprise anyone?

SadKangaroo wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 7:31am:

Jo Lieberman and his firm have too much history with Trump, there is a conflict of interest, again.  But does it surprise anyone?

It does seem that with Trump, the idea is not to choose the right person but rather, the LOYAL person.

It isnt going to help. Trump will still get impeached.

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 1:46pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 7:31am: Jo Lieberman and his firm have too much history with Trump, there is a conflict of interest, again.  But does it surprise anyone? It does seem that with Trump, the idea is not to choose the right person but rather, the LOYAL person. It isnt going to help. Trump will still get impeached.

We'll see, but he's been bullet proof this entire time.  He set the bar in his attacks on Clinton as to what sort of behaviour and ties were unacceptable for whoever hold the Oval Office, but he's not even tried to reach that bar but instead limbo under it, and his supporters don't care.

They're not chanting "lock him up" and anyone who speaks out or reports on these instances are either labelled a butthurt snowflake who can't accept Trump won the elections or it's dismissed as Fake News.

Even Trump is trying to feed that other than with the obvious "you're fake news" but now he's claiming to be the victim in all of this saying no other President has had to face what he has and again his supporters rally behind that.  It doesn't matter if his claim isn't true, they don't care.

His way or the highway, you're either with "us" or against us.

Concrete evidence in this sort of landscape may not even be enough...

I've tried to avoid it at the risk of it simple being "these people don't agree with me therefore they're stupid", but there has to come a time now that his supporters are not only applauding his actions that when Clinton was being accused of the same (often without merit) they were foaming at the mouth, they're not only applauding Trump taking these actions, but they're defending it and attacking his critics.

Surely, at some point that starts to just become plain stupid...

But either way, people are taking bets and Trump out before Christmas seems to be popular.  I for one however just can't see it happening.  Yes Trump has operated without impunity in the business world because he held all the cards (and was litigious as bugger) and there is no way he can continue his MO in the Oval, but since ever scandal to date would have been enough to bring down any other President, I just can't imagine, and I don't think I really want to, what it would take to actually bring him down and serve him some well overdue accountability for his actions.

SadKangaroo wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 4:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:46pm: SadKangaroo wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 7:31am: Jo Lieberman and his firm have too much history with Trump, there is a conflict of interest, again.  But does it surprise anyone? It does seem that with Trump, the idea is not to choose the right person but rather, the LOYAL person. It isnt going to help. Trump will still get impeached. We'll see, but he's been bullet proof this entire time.  He set the bar in his attacks on Clinton as to what sort of behaviour and ties were unacceptable for whoever hold the Oval Office, but he's not even tried to reach that bar but instead limbo under it, and his supporters don't care. They're not chanting "lock him up" and anyone who speaks out or reports on these instances are either labelled a butthurt snowflake who can't accept Trump won the elections or it's dismissed as Fake News. Even Trump is trying to feed that other than with the obvious "you're fake news" but now he's claiming to be the victim in all of this saying no other President has had to face what he has and again his supporters rally behind that.  It doesn't matter if his claim isn't true, they don't care. His way or the highway, you're either with "us" or against us. Concrete evidence in this sort of landscape may not even be enough... I've tried to avoid it at the risk of it simple being "these people don't agree with me therefore they're stupid", but there has to come a time now that his supporters are not only applauding his actions that when Clinton was being accused of the same (often without merit) they were foaming at the mouth, they're not only applauding Trump taking these actions, but they're defending it and attacking his critics. Surely, at some point that starts to just become plain stupid... But either way, people are taking bets and Trump out before Christmas seems to be popular.  I for one however just can't see it happening.  Yes Trump has operated without impunity in the business world because he held all the cards (and was litigious as bugger) and there is no way he can continue his MO in the Oval, but since ever scandal to date would have been enough to bring down any other President, I just can't imagine, and I don't think I really want to, what it would take to actually bring him down and serve him some well overdue accountability for his actions.

I think this is an unprecedented presidency and so most of the old rules dont apply and we are having to come up with new ones and frankly, mostly guesswork. But the undeniable truth is that Trump is exceedingly UNpopular. Even his base has shrunk by 10% and those opposed to him are very much opposed. Because he is incapable of changing and unable to take advice we can safely assume that things will not get better, but will get worse. And presumably, the rate at which it gets worse will increase. As the various investigations start to reveal increasingly bad news, his polls will continue to slide.

Like you, I am gobsmacked by the stupidity of trump supporters at large. If Clinton or Obama had done just one of the 30 things this clown has done, they would be calling for his head. If Obama had sought to interfere into an investigation into himself, Republicans would have impeached him - an rightly so. Perhaps why I am so disgusted by Republicans is because they are just so incredibly partisan, so amazingly in favour of vote rigging and cheating and almost desperate to make poor people suffer. But worst of all is that so many of them appear to place Party before Country. IN any fair and reasonable congress, filled with men and women of integrity, honesty and patriotism, Trump would already be looking at impeachment or at the very least Congressional Censure. But there is nothing... yet.

it is my firm belief that the sheer quantity of scandals and lies will force reluctant Republicans to act, if only for their own political skins. It will take time, but there is a massive unknown still brewing in the background and that is Russia.

Suppose that compelling evidence arises that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. This is not just a smoking gun but a nuke exploding in the WH. Even if Trump had nothing to do with it personally, he will still be thrown out for simply being aligned with these people plus, who is going to believe he was in the dark anyhow? The man lies like most people breathe. His word is not credible. He is one of those people whose every word needs to be proven otherwise we assume lies.

I believe that the sheer accelerating mass of scandal and evidence for corruption and possible treason will take down Trump and possibly do so quickly.

Nixon won 49 states in a landslide and yet the democrats won the next election comfortably. And Nixon was only accused of covering up a crime. Trump concievably has committed much, much greater crimes.  The republicans will soon realise that their only hope of not being massacred for the next 20 years is to stand up for what is right - even if it is for self-preservation reaons.

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 4:31pm:

Even if Trump had nothing to do with it personally, he will still be thrown out for simply being aligned with these people plus, who is going to believe he was in the dark anyhow? The man lies like most people breathe. His word is not credible. He is one of those people whose every word needs to be proven otherwise we assume lies.

Trump has been singing Putin's praises for years. He is, perhaps, the only high profile American celebrity/politician who has. In terms of foreign policy, Trump brought little: bring back sanctions on Iran, ban all people from Muslim countries until he works out what's going on, list China as a currency manipulator on his first day in office, send Mexican rapists, murderers and drug smugglers back to Mexico, and last but not least, work with Russia to defeat global terrorism.

Why Russia? Because Trump has so much in common with "a man like Putin". They hear each other, they can work together, they can get things done.

Now something tells me there's a lot more to this than foreign policy. There's Russian loans to Trump, key presidential staffers who've lived and done business in Russia, and Trump campaign meetings with the Russian government. Trump has publicly defended Putin to the point of undermining the US, and now, he's meeting with the Russian government and handing over state secrets.

While staffers in the Trump campaign will almost certainly cop the blame, the Russia connection goes all the way to the top. If there was any collusion with Moscow over the Democrat campaign's email hack, Trump certainly would have been involved. Whether Trump was smart enough to keep his involvement under wraps is another story.

Either way, Trump's ties to Russia run deep, and they are not the sort of ties that have anything to do with making Amerika great again.

Big Donger wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 4:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 4:31pm: Even if Trump had nothing to do with it personally, he will still be thrown out for simply being aligned with these people plus, who is going to believe he was in the dark anyhow? The man lies like most people breathe. His word is not credible. He is one of those people whose every word needs to be proven otherwise we assume lies. Trump has been singing Putin's praises for years. He is, perhaps, the only high profile American celebrity/politician who has. In terms of foreign policy, Trump brought little: bring back sanctions on Iran, ban all people from Muslim countries until he works out what's going on, list China as a currency manipulator on his first day in office, send Mexican rapists, murderers and drug smugglers back to Mexico, and last but not least, work with Russia to defeat global terrorism. Why Russia? Because Trump has so much in common with "a man like Putin". They hear each other, they can work together, they can get things done. Now something tells me there's a lot more to this than foreign policy. There's Russian loans to Trump, key presidential staffers who've lived and done business in Russia, and Trump campaign meetings with the Russian government. Trump has publicly defended Putin to the point of undermining the US, and now, he's meeting with the Russian government and handing over state secrets. While staffers in the Trump campaign will almost certainly cop the blame, the Russia connection goes all the way to the top. If there was any collusion with Moscow over the Democrat campaign's email hack, Trump certainly would have been involved. Whether Trump was smart enough to keep his involvement under wraps is another story. Either way, Trump's ties to Russia run deep, and they are not the sort of ties that have anything to do with making Amerika great again.

Absolutely. Trumps connections to Russia are astonishing and his absolute refusal to criticise Putin on any topic smells like something that has gone off. It is the kind of actions a Russian Agent would employ or at the very least, someone being blackmailed by Russia.

Trump simply has to go.

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 5:39pm:

Big Donger wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 4:56pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 4:31pm: Even if Trump had nothing to do with it personally, he will still be thrown out for simply being aligned with these people plus, who is going to believe he was in the dark anyhow? The man lies like most people breathe. His word is not credible. He is one of those people whose every word needs to be proven otherwise we assume lies. Trump has been singing Putin's praises for years. He is, perhaps, the only high profile American celebrity/politician who has. In terms of foreign policy, Trump brought little: bring back sanctions on Iran, ban all people from Muslim countries until he works out what's going on, list China as a currency manipulator on his first day in office, send Mexican rapists, murderers and drug smugglers back to Mexico, and last but not least, work with Russia to defeat global terrorism. Why Russia? Because Trump has so much in common with "a man like Putin". They hear each other, they can work together, they can get things done. Now something tells me there's a lot more to this than foreign policy. There's Russian loans to Trump, key presidential staffers who've lived and done business in Russia, and Trump campaign meetings with the Russian government. Trump has publicly defended Putin to the point of undermining the US, and now, he's meeting with the Russian government and handing over state secrets. While staffers in the Trump campaign will almost certainly cop the blame, the Russia connection goes all the way to the top. If there was any collusion with Moscow over the Democrat campaign's email hack, Trump certainly would have been involved. Whether Trump was smart enough to keep his involvement under wraps is another story. Either way, Trump's ties to Russia run deep, and they are not the sort of ties that have anything to do with making Amerika great again. Absolutely. Trumps connections to Russia are astonishing and his absolute refusal to criticise Putin on any topic smells like something that has gone off. It is the kind of actions a Russian Agent would employ or at the very least, someone being blackmailed by Russia. Trump simply has to go.

 

Because he won't be bullied into criticizing Putin - he must be impeached?

Russian agent???? Blackmailed??

Perhaps he is really an alien?  ;D

You are a nobody living in a parochial city the other side of the World. Whats Trump to you? Why the hysterics? These questions should be aimed at the sane posters here.

Richdude wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 5:56am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 5:39pm: Big Donger wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 4:56pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 4:31pm: Even if Trump had nothing to do with it personally, he will still be thrown out for simply being aligned with these people plus, who is going to believe he was in the dark anyhow? The man lies like most people breathe. His word is not credible. He is one of those people whose every word needs to be proven otherwise we assume lies. Trump has been singing Putin's praises for years. He is, perhaps, the only high profile American celebrity/politician who has. In terms of foreign policy, Trump brought little: bring back sanctions on Iran, ban all people from Muslim countries until he works out what's going on, list China as a currency manipulator on his first day in office, send Mexican rapists, murderers and drug smugglers back to Mexico, and last but not least, work with Russia to defeat global terrorism. Why Russia? Because Trump has so much in common with "a man like Putin". They hear each other, they can work together, they can get things done. Now something tells me there's a lot more to this than foreign policy. There's Russian loans to Trump, key presidential staffers who've lived and done business in Russia, and Trump campaign meetings with the Russian government. Trump has publicly defended Putin to the point of undermining the US, and now, he's meeting with the Russian government and handing over state secrets. While staffers in the Trump campaign will almost certainly cop the blame, the Russia connection goes all the way to the top. If there was any collusion with Moscow over the Democrat campaign's email hack, Trump certainly would have been involved. Whether Trump was smart enough to keep his involvement under wraps is another story. Either way, Trump's ties to Russia run deep, and they are not the sort of ties that have anything to do with making Amerika great again. Absolutely. Trumps connections to Russia are astonishing and his absolute refusal to criticise Putin on any topic smells like something that has gone off. It is the kind of actions a Russian Agent would employ or at the very least, someone being blackmailed by Russia. Trump simply has to go.   Because he won't be bullied into criticizing Putin - he must be impeached?

I'm curious, Rich. Would you support the impeachment of a president who was found to have colluded with a foreign power to hack their opponents and influence a US election?

This is a hypothetical, of course. But do you think such a person should be in office?

Big Donger wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:57am:

I'm curious, Rich. Would you support the impeachment of a president who was found to have colluded with a foreign power to hack their opponents and influence a US election? This is a hypothetical, of course. But do you think such a person should be in office?

Ultimatley it doesn't matter.

The republicans control the house, they would need to side, with enough numbers, with the Dems in order to get an impeachment off the ground.

Trump has done so very many things that would have been the end of the line for literally any other candidate or President.  Many have stumbled or fallen for much less, but the Republicans have stuck by him the whole time (by and large).  It would take something drastic, even in Trump terms, to get them offside enough to elevate Pence.

The longer Trump is in power, the lower the bar gets set, day in day out.  He's redefining "normal" to something truly terrible.

With this new and ever degrading "normal", to turn Trump who has such a fanatical support base into their (the Republicans) enemy would be a ballsy move.  He would convince his supporters that the Republican Party were their enemy because they supported his ousting, just like he's done with the mainstream media.

Now all it takes for accusations of Fake News, even if what is being reported is 100% factually accurate, is the manner in which it is reported.  The news can be true, but one little mistake, one opinion aired that Trump or his supporters don't like, it's immediately fake news.  Opinions they do like however, that's fine.  Case in point, Fox News.

Do you think the Republicans want that sort of unhinged fanatical that live in a Trump coloured world to be against them?

Trump was a dangerous man before he had the Oval and before he was practically untouchable.  Now it's just scary.

Agreed, Sad. Trump won't be impeached. The question to Rich is a hypothetical.

Big Donger wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:17pm:

Agreed, Sad. Trump won't be impeached. The question to Rich is a hypothetical.

To that, Trump really is a danger to both sides of politics, not along party lines, but more about the people.  There is no more exchange of ideas.  That's not how Trump ran his businesses, as you can plainly see given how few people do business with him more than once, and it's not how he is running his Administration.  You're either useful to him for his own goal, or you're not.  End.

It doesn't matter if you're good at your role, a leader in the field.  If you're not Team Trump, you might as well be Hillary Clinton.

Those lucky enough to come out the other side no worse off than going in (business or politics) can at least use his name (for better or worse) but that isn't a long list.  And if things keep going the way they are, eventually it will reach a critical mass and the Trump name will be worth bugger all.

I just hope what ever damage is done by this point is reversible.

They who hole the Oval represent the people.  They should be an example of something to strive for.  Children look up to the President and regular people honour them.

Even ignoring policy or Trump's past, his actions as President are far from worth of the office he holds. 

He's a disgrace.

I like the odds of him being out of the White House by Christmas.  The odds are in reality terrible and it's unlikely to happen, but for the sake of, well everyone, even Trump's supporters, some may say especially them, he really needs to go.

As for the FBI or Special Investigators, Trump's supporters have made their mind up.  Trump has done nothing wrong.  He has convinced the faithful that a hint of scandal will bring down his opponents but when it comes to him, actual evidence of his wrong doing can't be trusted, no matter the source.

They even question video evidence of his actual quotes.  Doesn't happen often, but in the shadow of that, I really have no words.  I don't know what to say to it.

Show someone a video of Trump mocking the disabled reporter, "Oh that's not what he meant", "It was taken out of context" or worse "Fake News".  What reality do they live in?

These are the people I worry for the most.  When the penny drops, where will they be left to go?

All true, Sad. These are very strange times. Once, what today seems like a minor act of withholding tax returns would have been blown up inthe media and made a candidate unelectable. Now, tapes of a candidate laughing about his history of sexual abuse (because he's a celebrity and can get away with it) mean little.

Forget details of the policies, none of them costed or planned, the US electorate are happy to vote in someone who's only experience of government is bribing city and party aparatchiks to get his development applications through. Forget even the lack of experience, they'll vote in someone who's conflicts of interest would render him inelligible to run for local government.

The US now has the lowest standards for its head of state in history.

Big Donger wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 12:17pm:

Agreed, Sad. Trump won't be impeached. The question to Rich is a hypothetical.

If a President did - then yes.

However there is NO PROOF!

However there is a bunch Washington insiders panicking over what Trump may do next - thinking that the best defense is offence using any method possible. Eg Russian so called interference or Trump impeachment. Their necks are starting to feel the rope.

The truth is that there is a lot going on that is not reported. Who knew that there was a Grand Jury being held for Anthony Wiener at the time?

Richdude wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 11:24pm:

Big Donger wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 12:17pm: Agreed, Sad. Trump won't be impeached. The question to Rich is a hypothetical. If a President did - then yes. However there is NO PROOF! However there is a bunch Washington insiders panicking over what Trump may do next - thinking that the best defense is offence using any method possible. Eg Russian so called interference or Trump impeachment. Their necks are starting to feel the rope. The truth is that there is a lot going on that is not reported. Who knew that there was a Grand Jury being held for Anthony Wiener at the time?

and that is your problem. Unless someone can provide you with iron-clad proof you assume there is none and oppose an investigation into same. But there is massive amounts of evidence and more coming to light daily and it is heading towards the standard of proof.  Then what will you do?  Call it 'fake news'?

I can live with the demands of proof for a justification of innocent until proven guilty, but not as an excuse to stop investigations.

Also, it would have been nice if Clinton was given the same treatment, but alas, the hint of anything resulted in chants of "lock her up" even when investigations had shown there was no wrongdoing.

Proof is needed to hold Trump to account but no proof will ever be accepted as valid by his apologists, yet the mere accusation is enough for his opponents to be considered unfit for office and immediately guilty.

Welcome to modern American Politics.

Hillary was given that opportunity, Sad. Her FBI investigation came up clean - nothing criminal, only ineptitude.

Her husband was given the same opportunity in what was one of the most ridiculous and political impeachment proceedings ever: impeached for lying about getting a blowjob off an intern.

Bill was found to have misled the senate and prosecuted. Fair enough. Hillary was not prosecuted at all. The FBI found nothing to actually prosecute.

So far, the FBI have released no information about any crimes committed by Trump, so we'll wait and see. But already, we have prima facie evident of obstruction of justice: Trump tried to get the FBI off his back by firing Comey. Trump told this to the Russian foreign minister and it was recorded in the meeting minutes.

These are the facts. No amount of spin, rumour, speculation or propaganda is going to change it.

Big Donger wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 11:19am:

Hillary was given that opportunity, Sad. Her FBI investigation came up clean - nothing criminal, only ineptitude.

Are you sure?  She was guilty and continues to be even when proven otherwise according to Trump and his supporters.  It's hardly the same.  In contrast, we can't even hold Trump to account for mocking a disabled reporter for his disability when there is clear video evidence of it because it's a beat up or "Fake News"?


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So far, the FBI have released no information about any crimes committed by Trump, so we'll wait and see. But already, we have prima facie evident of obstruction of justice: Trump tried to get the FBI off his back by firing Comey. These are the facts. No amount of spin, rumour, speculation or propaganda is going to change it.

Sure, and I don't want the same treatment for Trump that Clinton got.  He can be investigated and questions should be asked, but unlike he and his supporters attacks on Clinton, he shouldn't be considered guilty until he actually is found to be so.

But the calls to halt the investigations because "no other president has faced the same scrutiny as him" (which is bullshit by the way) and it's 'just a witch hunt' need to stop, especially by those who required no evidence to attack his opponents.

They can't have it both ways.

SadKangaroo wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 11:27am:

Big Donger wrote on May 25th, 2017 at 11:19am: Hillary was given that opportunity, Sad. Her FBI investigation came up clean - nothing criminal, only ineptitude. Are you sure?  She was guilty and continues to be even when proven otherwise according to Trump and his supporters.

During their debate, Trump said he planned to put Hillary in jail. The FBI had a different take.

It's no wonder Trump hates the FBI so. 

Big Donger wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 11:33am:

It's no wonder Trump hates the FBI so.

Trump has been able to operate pretty much without impunity in his former life because he can and did sue anyone and everyone as a form of intimidation and even a standard negotiating tactic if things didn't go his way and with that I'm sure came the required greasing of palms, but he seems to be finding it difficult to leave that world behind.

Let's not forget, "When you're a star, they let you do it."

It's no wonder he finds the role of President to be much harder than his previous life and he may legitimately think he's being unfairly targeted by the media but that's only because he can no longer be an incredibly litigious cry baby anymore and there are rules and this pesky little thing called The Constitution that he has to abide by.  He doesn't seem like the type who likes to be told what to do,

I almost feel sorry for him but this bubble he's been living in must pop at some point.  Depending on the type of man he is it could go one of two ways.  Unfortunately we know how thin skinned he is so we know which way it'll go. 

It won't be used as a sobering realisation that he has to up his game to live up to the standard he thinks he's at but instead he'll just double down and attack his critics even further.

Lieberman might be Trump's preferred choice from some of what I've read, but surely there are the obvious conflicts of interest with he and his firms ties to Trump, especially while there are active investigations against Trump that get in the way of his appointment?

SadKangaroo wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 11:43am:

Lieberman might be Trump's preferred choice from some of what I've read, but surely there are the obvious conflicts of interest with he and his firms ties to Trump, especially while there are active investigations against Trump that get in the way of his appointment?

He can't put Lieberman in, Sad. It's not a political appointment. FBI Directors need to come up through the ranks, for very good reasons: they manage investigations.

If Trump lets Fox News make the decision for FBI appointments, it's just another example of Trump's shiftiness. Remember, Trump promised a new style of politics. As an outsider, he was going to be apolitical and pragmatic, making decisions in the interest of America rather than the parties and their lobbyists.

Two legs good, four legs bad, no?

Big Donger wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 11:19am:

Hillary was given that opportunity, Sad. Her FBI investigation came up clean - nothing criminal, only ineptitude. Her husband was given the same opportunity in what was one of the most ridiculous and political impeachment proceedings ever: impeached for lying about getting a blowjob off an intern. Bill was found to have misled the senate and prosecuted. Fair enough. Hillary was not prosecuted at all. The FBI found nothing to actually prosecute. So far, the FBI have released no information about any crimes committed by Trump, so we'll wait and see. But already, we have prima facie evident of obstruction of justice: Trump tried to get the FBI off his back by firing Comey. Trump told this to the Russian foreign minister and it was recorded in the meeting minutes. These are the facts. No amount of spin, rumour, speculation or propaganda is going to change it.

To be fair, Clintons major failing was lying in a deposition which is perjury and a criminal offence. He was disbarred as a result. But yes, the people by and large considered it a witch-hunt by republicans over a sex scandal while Trumps sex scandals are 10 times worse.

So leiberman has pulled out of the race because it was 'wrong'.