He always makes so much sense!

Why the political Left feels emboldened to shut down free speech

By Jon Rappoport

First of all, when I talk about the so-called political Left, I'm talking about people who are firmly in the Globalist camp. They may not know they are, but they are.

The Globalists work through various versions of socialism and quasi-socialism and Communism and Marxism and "free the people" and all sorts of other slogans and guiding ideas. These political philosophies and strategies have nothing to do with Globalism per se---they're just provisional tactics Globalists use to gain power, because power is the goal. Their system is top-heavy control under a variety of names and deceptions. That's just the way it is.

The Globalists are run by crony capitalists at the top who stole their way to riches and then turned around and decided to limit the game, so they would remain in charge. Their approach is to appear humane. It's a lie. Their goal is straightforward: they want to make the planet one nation, which they operate like a machine. The stand for The Machine, and against life.

The political Left, at ground level, is clueless about all of this. They're sucked in by the humane propaganda. They look to a utopia where nobody has to work or earn money. Many of these ground troops are hoping and dreaming about that day because they're convinced they can't make it in an open market. That, too, is just the way it is.

Now they're emboldened to shut down free speech, meaning speech and language and words and ideas they don't like, because...

They're finding out they can.

That's the simple answer.

They can.

It gives them a sense of power they haven't felt. They can do "big things." They can riot and throw bricks through store windows and shut down campus speeches and whine and cry about trigger words and safe spaces and get away with it. They can have an impact. They've never experienced that before.

It moves the adrenaline. It moves the blood. It lights a fire.

If no one keeps free speech available, if no one cares about the Constitution, the field of operation is a grand opportunity: Shut down free speech. It feels real. It seems important. There's a direct cause-and-effect result. WE SCREAMED AND PROTESTED AND DEMANDED AND RIOTED AND THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE WENT ALONG WITH US. THEY SHUT DOWN WHAT WE DON'T LIKE.

So the close-out tactic becomes fashionable. The thing to do. The trendy action. It's a sport. "I can't play on a team or study or think or contemplate what I really want to do in life, but I can do this. I can close people's mouths."

And higher on the Globalist food chain, there are people who are praising the end of the 1st Amendment. This gives the clueless ground troops a jolt of confidence. This tells the troops they're really working toward a better society and a better world. "Bad people are saying bad things. If I stop the bad people, humanity will make progress..."

It's easy to see how a dumbed-down education system permits such a "stop the bad people" formulation to come into existence and bloom like a poisonous plant.

Instead of a system that tries to raise students up and make them smarter, so they can discover where the real political power is in this world and what that power is trying to achieve, the op is all about seeking the lowest common denominator, and pushing down young minds to a primitive "good vs. bad" notion with the goal of censoring the bad into extinction.

The ground troops of the censorship op are receiving elite support. That's the catch:

"We, the leaders, are on your side in the struggle to reach a better future, and in order to do that we have to make you as dumb as a rock, while you actually believe you're smart and on the cutting edge."

Of course, across the planet, oppression of populations is quite real. Is the solution opening up markets to something resembling freedom; or is it handing over control to governments, who collude with each other and with mega-corporations and banks, to institute a centralized worldwide system of production and distribution of goods and services?

"A better world is at hand. Soon we will create a specific center that rules One Economy for All. We will determine what is manufactured and who will benefit. We will decide who eats and who goes hungry. We will decide how much energy each person can consume in a given time period. We will act for the greatest good. We will be kind. Count on us."

If you actually framed the future in those terms, and if the people who are trying to shut down free speech actually understood they were serving that master, would they continue their attack against open speech and debate?

It's hard to tell. People can reach such levels of mindless non-comprehension, they no longer care. They've crossed the line. Pulling them back from the abyss is a herculean task.

Better to keep promoting free speech and engaging in it.

In the long run, freedom is more contagious than the appetite for destruction. Sometimes the long run is very long, but it doesn't matter.

As an example, independent media will survive, despite all attempts to censor it.

If indeed the recent temporary shutdown of my website, which is now back up and running, was an illustration of someone's censorship---well, I'm still here.

Continued


Overall, the struggle of centuries to establish individual freedom are not in vain, must not be in vain. Once again we are seeing that what we take for granted is not automatic. We must assert our rights. We must not stop.

The lesson is not always easy. But we have to learn it.

As always, there are people who can't stand freedom. They recoil from it, as if it is a threat to their very survival. Having sunk to such a low level, they attack the basis of life itself.

So be it.

We're not going anywhere.

No we are not - so get used to it lefties!

Good point there about the left being clueless to the crony capitalists' agenda, while being at the forefront, paving the way for it.

I can handle university 'kids' being duped by Global Socialism; they've had it drlled into them through the Carnegie system of education for the better part of two decades. When so called 'educated' people are still blind to their conditioning in their 50's, 60's,70's...thats the real battle.

Ironic that you use the term 'globalist' since most of you believe in a flat earth.

you just know that when an article starts with The Globalists work through various versions of socialism and quasi-socialism and Communism and Marxism and "free the people" and all sorts of other slogans and guiding ideas, it's bound to be a load of sh1t

John Smith wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 7:58am:

you just know that when an article starts with The Globalists work through various versions of socialism and quasi-socialism and Communism and Marxism and "free the people" and all sorts of other slogans and guiding ideas, it's bound to be a load of sh1t

it certainly doesnt give you any feel of being a credible or balanced article. It is pure conspiracy theory.

This topic (and much more) is covered in this excellent podcast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USg3NR76XpQ

I listen to a lot of joe rogans podcasts but Jordan Petersons first appearance was the only one I listened to twice.  (The posted vid is his second appearance, and I'm only halfway through it).  His speaking is so information dense and his clarity of thought is excellent, making this an absolute must hear.

... wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 8:52am:

This topic (and much more) is covered in this excellent podcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USg3NR76XpQ I listen to a lot of joe rogans podcasts but Jordan Petersons first appearance was the only one I listened to twice.  (The posted vid is his second appearance, and I'm only halfway through it).  His speaking is so information dense and his clarity of thought is excellent, making this an absolute must hear.

And there is your problem. You listen to clowns like Joe Rogan.

Oh shut up.  You dont know anything but insult, insult, insult.

This was not posted for your benefit, because your mind is closed.  There may be people on this forum willing to learn, but that aint you.

This is seemingly counter intuitive for someone whos identity us based around being "smart", but it does make sense.  By opening your mind and attempting to learn, you become aware of your limitations. To best fool others, you fool yourself first.  Well you dont fool me.  I know what you are - painfully average.

... wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 10:00am:

Oh shut up.  You dont know anything but insult, insult, insult. This was not posted for your benefit, because your mind is closed.  There may be people on this forum willing to learn, but that aint you.

Joe Rogan is not some amazing source of information. he is a small-time vlogger with no oversight or sense of responsibility.

Weird though how the MSM is all "fake" almost as though they need to be shut down.

... wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 8:52am:

This topic (and much more) is covered in this excellent podcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USg3NR76XpQ I listen to a lot of joe rogans podcasts but Jordan Petersons first appearance was the only one I listened to twice.  (The posted vid is his second appearance, and I'm only halfway through it).  His speaking is so information dense and his clarity of thought is excellent, making this an absolute must hear.

great info must watch !!

thanks honky

namaste

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longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 10:05am:

... wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 10:00am: Oh shut up.  You dont know anything but insult, insult, insult. This was not posted for your benefit, because your mind is closed.  There may be people on this forum willing to learn, but that aint you. Joe Rogan is not some amazing source of information. he is a small-time vlogger with no oversight or sense of responsibility.

Amazing how you know so much about something youve never experienced.  Youve never listened to it, who do you think youre fooling?

He's probably taken one too many kicks to the head

Its his guest im praising.  What are you going to make up to disqualify him?

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 9:56am:

... wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 8:52am: This topic (and much more) is covered in this excellent podcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USg3NR76XpQ I listen to a lot of joe rogans podcasts but Jordan Petersons first appearance was the only one I listened to twice.  (The posted vid is his second appearance, and I'm only halfway through it).  His speaking is so information dense and his clarity of thought is excellent, making this an absolute must hear. And there is your problem. You listen to clowns like Joe Rogan.

He talks some rubbish but he's OPEN MINDED. Are you?

... wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 8:52am:

This topic (and much more) is covered in this excellent podcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USg3NR76XpQ I listen to a lot of joe rogans podcasts but Jordan Petersons first appearance was the only one I listened to twice.  (The posted vid is his second appearance, and I'm only halfway through it).  His speaking is so information dense and his clarity of thought is excellent, making this an absolute must hear.

I listened to that one and I also need to listen again in front of the computer and pause to research Peterson's references.

Gordon wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 10:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 9:56am: ... wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 8:52am: This topic (and much more) is covered in this excellent podcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USg3NR76XpQ I listen to a lot of joe rogans podcasts but Jordan Petersons first appearance was the only one I listened to twice.  (The posted vid is his second appearance, and I'm only halfway through it).  His speaking is so information dense and his clarity of thought is excellent, making this an absolute must hear. And there is your problem. You listen to clowns like Joe Rogan. He talks some rubbish but he's OPEN MINDED. Are you?

Yes,  and although most of his guests are raving lefties, and he also identifies as one,  i like that hes willing to call out their shity behaviour when he sees it, and to have guests that he doesnt agree with. 

MSM could learn a lot about non-partisanship from him, and thats probably a big reason why Rogans podcasts draw in a bigger audience than they do.

Rogan is not affiliated with any political party but has been described as having mostly libertarian views.[66][67] He endorsed Ron Paul in the 2012 U.S. presidential campaign[68] and Gary Johnson in the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign.[69]



So not a lefty.

... wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 10:35am:

Gordon wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 10:17am: longweekend58 wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 9:56am: ... wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 8:52am: This topic (and much more) is covered in this excellent podcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USg3NR76XpQ I listen to a lot of joe rogans podcasts but Jordan Petersons first appearance was the only one I listened to twice.  (The posted vid is his second appearance, and I'm only halfway through it).  His speaking is so information dense and his clarity of thought is excellent, making this an absolute must hear. And there is your problem. You listen to clowns like Joe Rogan. He talks some rubbish but he's OPEN MINDED. Are you? Yes,  and although most of his guests are raving lefties, and he also identifies as one,  i like that hes willing to call out their shity behaviour when he sees it, and to have guests that he doesnt agree with.  MSM could learn a lot about non-partisanship from him, and thats probably a big reason why Rogans podcasts draw in a bigger audience than they do.

I'd say he doesn't identify as left or right, but like me he's a 'cherry picker'.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 10:38am:

Rogan is not affiliated with any political party but has been described as having mostly libertarian views.[66][67] He endorsed Ron Paul in the 2012 U.S. presidential campaign[68] and Gary Johnson in the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign.[69] So not a lefty.

Mate, i ve smacking listened to hundreds of his podcasts, I know a lot more than you got from a google search.

LW has never been the same since his stroke. Now he's a dandelion-tilting in whichever direction the wind is blowing.

... wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 10:43am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 10:38am: Rogan is not affiliated with any political party but has been described as having mostly libertarian views.[66][67] He endorsed Ron Paul in the 2012 U.S. presidential campaign[68] and Gary Johnson in the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign.[69] So not a lefty. Mate, i ve smacking listened to hundreds of his podcasts, I know a lot more than you got from a google search.

Yes wiki, and the references contained within. Your anecdotes dont count.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 10:44am:

... wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 10:43am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 10:38am: Rogan is not affiliated with any political party but has been described as having mostly libertarian views.[66][67] He endorsed Ron Paul in the 2012 U.S. presidential campaign[68] and Gary Johnson in the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign.[69] So not a lefty. Mate, i ve smacking listened to hundreds of his podcasts, I know a lot more than you got from a google search. Yes wiki, and the references contained within. Your anecdotes dont count.

Try this one for starters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yp7a7f3VGw

Gordon wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 10:53am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 10:44am: ... wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 10:43am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 10:38am: Rogan is not affiliated with any political party but has been described as having mostly libertarian views.[66][67] He endorsed Ron Paul in the 2012 U.S. presidential campaign[68] and Gary Johnson in the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign.[69] So not a lefty. Mate, i ve smacking listened to hundreds of his podcasts, I know a lot more than you got from a google search. Yes wiki, and the references contained within. Your anecdotes dont count. Try this one for starters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yp7a7f3VGw

Why?

John Smith wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 7:58am:

you just know that when an article starts with The Globalists work through various versions of socialism and quasi-socialism and Communism and Marxism and "free the people" and all sorts of other slogans and guiding ideas, it's bound to be a load of sh1t

Yep just like you!  ;D

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 8:10am:

John Smith wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 7:58am: you just know that when an article starts with The Globalists work through various versions of socialism and quasi-socialism and Communism and Marxism and "free the people" and all sorts of other slogans and guiding ideas, it's bound to be a load of sh1t it certainly doesnt give you any feel of being a credible or balanced article. It is pure conspiracy theory.

Lol!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I don't know who Rogan is.

Lets get back to what Jon Rappaport says.

When someone says the truth it just clicks - you know it. All those disconnected neurons connect!  ;)

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 10:21am:

Right to Openly Discuss Ideas must be Defended... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL0tRHvBlQQ ever notice that the Leftists who call other people Nazi's are the ones who are always acting like Nazi's ???

In the mid to late 60's there was a brief period when the counter culture was ahead of the curve. The young people of the time were able to disseminate the propaganda that was designed to usher in support for the Vietnam War, allow the continuance of covert operations abroad etc. How did governments and big businesses respond? They just incorporated the counter culture.

Mr Hammer wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 11:29am:

In the mid to late 60's there was a brief period when the counter culture was ahead of the curve. The young people of the time were able to disseminate the propaganda that was designed to usher in support for the Vietnam War, allow the continuance of covert operations abroad etc. How did governments and big businesses respond? They just incorporated the counter culture.

THAT IS SIMPLY NAIVE.

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 5:48pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 11:29am: In the mid to late 60's there was a brief period when the counter culture was ahead of the curve. The young people of the time were able to disseminate the propaganda that was designed to usher in support for the Vietnam War, allow the continuance of covert operations abroad etc. How did governments and big businesses respond? They just incorporated the counter culture. THAT IS SIMPLY NAIVE.

When the masses aren't following your lead the elite have no other choice. The rich at just peasants without the weight of mass labour. You need to pull your head out of your ass.

Richdude wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 11:04am:

John Smith wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 7:58am: you just know that when an article starts with The Globalists work through various versions of socialism and quasi-socialism and Communism and Marxism and "free the people" and all sorts of other slogans and guiding ideas, it's bound to be a load of sh1t Yep just like you!  ;D

wow ... I don't know how the forum survived for so long without your witticism ::) ::)

Mr Hammer wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 6:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 5:48pm: Mr Hammer wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 11:29am: In the mid to late 60's there was a brief period when the counter culture was ahead of the curve. The young people of the time were able to disseminate the propaganda that was designed to usher in support for the Vietnam War, allow the continuance of covert operations abroad etc. How did governments and big businesses respond? They just incorporated the counter culture. THAT IS SIMPLY NAIVE. When the masses aren't following your lead the elite have no other choice. The rich at just peasants without the weight of mass labour. You need to pull your head out of your ass.

you sound like an old hippie that hasnt worked out that Woodstock was 'yesterday' and a fraud.

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 6:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 5:48pm: Mr Hammer wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 11:29am: In the mid to late 60's there was a brief period when the counter culture was ahead of the curve. The young people of the time were able to disseminate the propaganda that was designed to usher in support for the Vietnam War, allow the continuance of covert operations abroad etc. How did governments and big businesses respond? They just incorporated the counter culture. THAT IS SIMPLY NAIVE. When the masses aren't following your lead the elite have no other choice. The rich at just peasants without the weight of mass labour. You need to pull your head out of your ass. you sound like an old hippie that hasnt worked out that Woodstock was 'yesterday' and a fraud.

The Wizard Of Oz explains it. The elite use smoke and mirrors to dupe the masses. When the masses stop believing the show the elite have to buckle to popular opinion. That's how it works muppet. All your blueblood mates will be licking Pauline Hanson's hairy red map of Tassie when she gets above 15%. It's either that or get her wacked.

... wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 8:52am:

This topic (and much more) is covered in this excellent podcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USg3NR76XpQ I listen to a lot of joe rogans podcasts but Jordan Petersons first appearance was the only one I listened to twice.  (The posted vid is his second appearance, and I'm only halfway through it).  His speaking is so information dense and his clarity of thought is excellent, making this an absolute must hear.

Yes. Jordan Peterson is very well informed. He's one speaker I will always listen to.

He is very good.

The Conservatives want to discuss things with you, the Progressives want to coerce and shut you up.

Frank wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 7:06am:

He is very good. The Conservatives want to discuss things with you, the Progressives want to coerce and shut you up.

You're free to speak anytime on here Frank.

Finished his 2nd podvast yesterday. 

It wad all very good, the thing that stuck in my mind the most:

"We're living in a chaotic time, and in times of chaos, the truth is our sword and shield"

Paraphrased, but so very important now, when everything around us is so fake. 

Mr Hammer wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 6:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 6:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 6:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 5:48pm: Mr Hammer wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 11:29am: In the mid to late 60's there was a brief period when the counter culture was ahead of the curve. The young people of the time were able to disseminate the propaganda that was designed to usher in support for the Vietnam War, allow the continuance of covert operations abroad etc. How did governments and big businesses respond? They just incorporated the counter culture. THAT IS SIMPLY NAIVE. When the masses aren't following your lead the elite have no other choice. The rich at just peasants without the weight of mass labour. You need to pull your head out of your ass. you sound like an old hippie that hasnt worked out that Woodstock was 'yesterday' and a fraud. The Wizard Of Oz explains it. The elite use smoke and mirrors to dupe the masses. When the masses stop believing the show the elite have to buckle to popular opinion. That's how it works muppet. All your blueblood mates will be licking Pauline Hanson's hairy red map of Tassie when she gets above 15%. It's either that or get her wacked.

what tinfoil hat garbage...

... wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 8:58am:

Finished his 2nd podvast yesterday.  It wad all very good, the thing that stuck in my mind the most: "We're living in a chaotic time, and in times of chaos, the truth is our sword and shield" Paraphrased, but so very important now, when everything around us is so fake.

the problem is that you determine 'fake' as being information you dont like so your argument becomes worthless.

He also spent a while talking about getting your own house in order before trying to change the world.  He referenced the quote:

"why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye but don't notice the log in your own eye?"

Can you see how that might be applicable to yourself?

... wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 9:48am:

He also spent a while talking about getting your own house in order before trying to change the world.  He referenced the quote: "why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye but don't notice the log in your own eye?" Can you see how that might be applicable to yourself?

Its a Biblical quote and I know it very well.  That does not stop you being a gullible fool who swallows anything and everything Trump says ad does.

Frank wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 7:06am:

He is very good. The Conservatives want to discuss things with you.

Exactly. We're always up for a friendly chat, aren't we, dear boy?

longweekend58 wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 9:39am:

... wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 8:58am: Finished his 2nd podvast yesterday.  It wad all very good, the thing that stuck in my mind the most: "We're living in a chaotic time, and in times of chaos, the truth is our sword and shield" Paraphrased, but so very important now, when everything around us is so fake.  the problem is that you determine 'fake' as being information you dont like so your argument becomes worthless.

Youre so unoriginal.  I recall having this conversation with you...well more like a lecture...about how this is the default position of people - that reasoning a position comes after youve already emotionally decided your stance - backing it up with neuroscience and you dismissed it with extreme prejuduce.

Now it seems youve accepted it, but only so you can use it to insult and reinforce your own delusions. 

Theres another poster here who is a lot like you, who also started repeating assessments of herself against others, and I dont think you like her very much.  I think its because youre too similar.  Shes like a mirror to you, which is understandable - i wouldnt like seeing you looking back at me from the mirror either.

... wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 1:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 9:39am: ... wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 8:58am: Finished his 2nd podvast yesterday.  It wad all very good, the thing that stuck in my mind the most: "We're living in a chaotic time, and in times of chaos, the truth is our sword and shield" Paraphrased, but so very important now, when everything around us is so fake.  the problem is that you determine 'fake' as being information you dont like so your argument becomes worthless. Youre so unoriginal.  I recall having this conversation with you...well more like a lecture...about how this is the default position of people - that reasoning a position comes after youve already emotionally decided your stance - backing it up with neuroscience and you dismissed it with extreme prejuduce. Now it seems youve accepted it, but only so you can use it to insult and reinforce your own delusions.  Theres another poster here who is a lot like you, who also started repeating assessments of herself against others, and I dont think you like her very much.  I think its because youre too similar.  Shes like a mirror to you, which is understandable - i wouldnt like seeing you looking back at me from the mirror either.

The problem is that what I said is actually true.  You define 'fake news' much like Trump does ie negative information about him. And that is pretty much the only definition you (or Trump) uses. Yes, the news about Trump is dreadful and getting worse by the day, but it is all by his own hand. He actually says and does all these stupid things.

I am a conservative by nature who would more typically align with Republicans than Democrats politically, but I also have a brain and a sense of integrity that demands I oppose Trump. Trump isnt left or right or progressive or conservative. He is simply Trump where everything centres around  him and him alone.

Reality isnt getting worse, your perception is getting overwhelmed because your base emotional position keeps getting compounded upon. You never have time to get back to a normal baseline because theres another faux crisis manufactured each day.
The media machine will never get tired, but your brain sure will.  You need to let reason catch up before your neurochemistry gives out.

It always amuses me when Honky waxes "scientific" about cognitive bias. Seeing as he's so damned prejudiced. He has an incredibly closed mind. Dismisses out of hand anything that challenges his profoundly distorted values.

As for other people "claiming victory" over him, this is generally in response to his "claiming victory" first (despite being so often demonstrably wrong) ... usually accompanied by tremendous amounts of belittling and ludicrous assessments of his rivals feelings.

No wonder Honky and Longy don't like each other. There exchanges tend to rely upon telling each other how stupid they are, both utterly missing the cues that through concerted introspection, could lead to evolution of their debating techniques.

Ive never called longweekend stupid, in fact the only comment ive made on his intelligence is to say he is of above average intelligence. 

I dont recall ever "claiming victory" either, though im sure im not the only one to notice that barely a day goes by where you dont. 

Just another case of your emotional state casting shadows over your perception. 

Forgiven.

... wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 2:12pm:

Ive never called longweekend stupid, in fact the only comment ive made on his intelligence is to say he is of above average intelligence.  I dont recall ever "claiming victory" either, though im sure im not the only one to notice that barely a day goes by where you dont.  Just another case of your emotional state casting shadows over your perception.  Forgiven.

No ability for self refection at all.

Must be because you are overwhelmed by your emotions.

Let me give you a little hint, Honky.

Assessing other poster's intelligence and relegating their input to emotion or cognitive bias is a not-so-subtle way of claiming "victory".

And it's about all you've got,.

See, that's what I was talking about.

Several people made the same assessment of your character based on your words and actions, yet you think they're equally valid if you just say "no, you are" to whomever upsets you. 

Interestingly, I identified your "no you are" recurring thought pattern over a year ago, and far from being "demonstrably wrong" it just keeps being proven correct, time and time again.

... wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 2:45pm:

See, that's what I was talking about. Several people made the same assessment of your character based on your words and actions, yet you think they're equally valid if you just say "no, you are" to whomever upsets you.  Interestingly, I identified your "no you are" recurring thought pattern over a year ago, and far from being "demonstrably wrong" it just keeps being proven correct, time and time again.

Here we go with  the " claiming victory" through character assassination.

And with back-up now! "Several people" have noted it, so it must be true.

Honky's never wrong, even when he is, dontcha know.

He can always rely on telling you how you're feeling, assessing your IQ and accuse you of having formed your opinions through cognitive bias.

All the while resisting introspection. Even when his tendancies are clearly highlighted for him.

Quote:

accuse you of having formed your opinions through cognitive bias.

And what you neglect to consider is that I say this is how EVERYBODY forms their opinions, myself included.  Its just how the human brain operates.

The difference is I recognise my biases and account for them, while you deny they exist, so can never overcome them. 

... wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 3:05pm:

Quote: accuse you of having formed your opinions through cognitive bias. And what you neglect to consider is that I say this is how EVERYBODY forms their opinions, myself included.  Its just how the human brain operates. The difference is I recognise my biases and account for them, while you deny they exist, so can never overcome them.

We've reached the assessment of intellectual agility part of the proceedings in which Honky quantifies the rest of the world in relation to himself.

I would say to do so with any authority, one would need to be adept at introspection ... but i digress.

You assume that because you are prejudiced, then naturally, that must be the default position for everyone else. It simply doesn't occur to you that people can be open-minded, objective and analytical. Much as you ascribe emotion to people as a reflection of your own state of being. Much like a child who thinks mushrooms must be yucky, simply because they don't like them.

You're patronising in the extreme, Honky. Ironically, with little to base you condescension upon.

Ugh.  Its not an extrapolation from the self, its from learning.  L E A R N I N G.

http://lesswrong.com/lw/531/how_you_make_judgments_the_elephant_and_its_rider/

See how your reflexive emotional response to me prevents you from accepting impartial truths?

... wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 3:33pm:

Ugh.  Its not an extrapolation from the self, its from learning.  L E A R N I N G. http://lesswrong.com/lw/531/how_you_make_judgments_the_elephant_and_its_rider/ See how your reflexive emotional response to me prevents you from accepting truth?

Never done any serious reading on thinking, have you Honky?

Philosophy just passed you by, right?

A question. As a teenager, did you question the ideas and values you were raised with? If not, i suggest you start now.

... wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 3:05pm:

Quote: accuse you of having formed your opinions through cognitive bias. And what you neglect to consider is that I say this is how EVERYBODY forms their opinions, myself included.  Its just how the human brain operates. The difference is I recognise my biases and account for them, while you deny they exist, so can never overcome them.

and that is why you support Trump no matter what he does???

you are a joke, albeit a pitiful one.

Neither of you are in any position to be giving advice.  I understand the public displays of pride, but hope for your sake youre taking steps to overcome the self inflicted fog of ignorance in private.

The best teachers i ever had, i thought were assholes at the time.  You too will come to thank me for my patience, though only within the safety of your own private thoughts.

... wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 3:59pm:

Neither of you are in any position to be giving advice.  I understand the public displays of pride, but hope for your sake youre taking steps to overcome the self inflicted fog of ignorance in private. The best teachers i ever had, i thought were assholes at the time.  You too will come to thank me for my patience, though only within the safety of your own private thoughts.

I thank you, Honky. The best teachers I had were very nice at the time, but that's just me.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 3:19pm:

You assume that because you are prejudiced, then naturally, that must be the default position for everyone else. It simply doesn't occur to you that people can be open-minded, objective and analytical.

Prejudices, interests and biases drive everyone. This becomes more apparent in the social sciences because these topics usually revolve around discussions of values and morals. As has been stated, if you cannot recognise your own interests and biases, then you shouldn't be lecturing others.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

... wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 3:33pm: Ugh.  Its not an extrapolation from the self, its from learning.  L E A R N I N G. http://lesswrong.com/lw/531/how_you_make_judgments_the_elephant_and_its_rider/ See how your reflexive emotional response to me prevents you from accepting truth? Never done any serious reading on thinking, have you Honky? Philosophy just passed you by, right?

It is philosophical. The elephant and rider analogy is heavily influenced by Plato's chariot and rider analogy.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 3:39pm: ... wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 3:33pm: Ugh.  Its not an extrapolation from the self, its from learning.  L E A R N I N G. http://lesswrong.com/lw/531/how_you_make_judgments_the_elephant_and_its_rider/ See how your reflexive emotional response to me prevents you from accepting truth? Never done any serious reading on thinking, have you Honky? Philosophy just passed you by, right? It is philosophical. The elephant and rider analogy is heavily influenced by Plato's chariot and rider analogy.

Ahh... The Phaedrus!

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 7:46am:

Frank wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 7:06am: He is very good. The Conservatives want to discuss things with you, the Progressives want to coerce and shut you up. You're free to speak anytime on here Frank.

That's not what Brian would say if he had the power to enforce his idea of freedom: you are free to speak what he thinks is right.

Frank wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 7:46am: Frank wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 7:06am: He is very good. The Conservatives want to discuss things with you, the Progressives want to coerce and shut you up. You're free to speak anytime on here Frank. That's not what Brian would say if he had the power to enforce his idea of freedom: you are free to speak what he thinks is right.

Strange, you say exactly the same thing to him.

No one has the right to not be offended, no?

Gordon wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 10:39am:

... wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 10:35am: Gordon wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 10:17am: longweekend58 wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 9:56am: ... wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 8:52am: This topic (and much more) is covered in this excellent podcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USg3NR76XpQ I listen to a lot of joe rogans podcasts but Jordan Petersons first appearance was the only one I listened to twice.  (The posted vid is his second appearance, and I'm only halfway through it).  His speaking is so information dense and his clarity of thought is excellent, making this an absolute must hear. And there is your problem. You listen to clowns like Joe Rogan. He talks some rubbish but he's OPEN MINDED. Are you? Yes,  and although most of his guests are raving lefties, and he also identifies as one,  i like that hes willing to call out their shity behaviour when he sees it, and to have guests that he doesnt agree with.  MSM could learn a lot about non-partisanship from him, and thats probably a big reason why Rogans podcasts draw in a bigger audience than they do. I'd say he doesn't identify as left or right, but like me he's a 'cherry picker'.

Thought I seen you somewhere:

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201412/r1367464_19263895.jpg

I tried to read the lead article: wow about a 1,000 words saying that the author is mad as a hatter.




https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/05/86/4f/05864f2f1ed4f8984e57085a84814f42.jpg

Funny topic to bring up when we have a conservative government in place which has done more to restrict free speech than any previous government we have had.

Dnarever wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 10:27pm:

I tried to read the lead article: wow about a 1,000 words saying that the author is mad as a hatter. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/05/86/4f/05864f2f1ed4f8984e57085a84814f42.jpg

Thats OK Dna.

The article was pitched to those intelligent, inquiring minds that want a possible reason why the left is acting so bizarre. Your lack of comprehension is another.