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A "good Samaritan"with a gun killed an active shooter who may have been gearing up for a deadly rampage at a Texas sports bar, police said. nbcnews.com/news/us-news/good-samaritan-kills-active-shooter-texas-sports-bar-police-n755136

The good Samaritan had a concealed carry permit he shot the offender, he didn't get into any trouble for doing that.

A good story - we need more people like him.

Bobby. wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:08pm:

A good story - we need more people like him.

why must you be so gullible and stupid?  For every good samaritan with a concealed weapon there is 100 offenders with a concealed weapon.

Notice how often this kind of thing DOESNT happen here in OZ?  Never, because we dont have the crime being committed in the first place.

longweekend58 wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:08pm: A good story - we need more people like him. why must you be so gullible and stupid?  For every good samaritan with a concealed weapon there is 100 offenders with a concealed weapon. Notice how often this kind of thing DOESNT happen here in OZ?  Never, because we dont have the crime being committed in the first place.

Don't call me stupid.

It doesn't happen in Australia because people are not allowed a permit to carry a firearm.
We have very few firearms on our streets.
The USA has 300 million firearms.

That incident could easily have gone pear shaped with many more fatalities.

longweekend58 wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:08pm: A good story - we need more people like him. why must you be so gullible and stupid?  For every good samaritan with a concealed weapon there is 100 offenders with a concealed weapon.

You're the stupid gullible one Longstupidwhine.

Concealed carry permit holders are the most law abiding people in the USA they're even more law abiding than the police.

dailywire.com/news/8255/report-concealed-carry-permit-holders-are-most-law-aaron-bandler

My late Aunt lived in Florida in the USA for many years.

She always kept a pistol beside here bed while she slept.
One night a man broke into her place & walked into her bedroom.
She turned her table lamp on & pointed the gun at the man.
She told him to get out or be shot.
He promptly left out the door.
The gun probably saved her life or at least a robbery.

Baronvonrort wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:22pm: Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:08pm: A good story - we need more people like him. why must you be so gullible and stupid?  For every good samaritan with a concealed weapon there is 100 offenders with a concealed weapon. You're the stupid gullible one Longstupidwhine. Concealed carry permit holders are the most law abiding people in the USA they're even more law abiding than the police. dailywire.com/news/8255/report-concealed-carry-permit-holders-are-most-law-aaron-bandler

No worries. Make every gun owner in the US get a permit.

Problem solved.

Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates, its pointless having less murders if you have more accidental deaths.

rhino wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:46pm:

Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates, its pointless having less murders if you have more accidental deaths.

33,000 people die from firearms in the USA every year.

About 12,000 of those are suicides.

Bobby. wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:48pm:

rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates, its pointless having less murders if you have more accidental deaths. 33,000 people die from firearms in the USA every year. About 12,000 of those are suicides.

we need comparison statistics from open carry states showing deaths before and after open carry laws. But you can bet your bottom dollar the pro gun lobby wont show that.

rhino wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:48pm: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates, its pointless having less murders if you have more accidental deaths. 33,000 people die from firearms in the USA every year. About 12,000 of those are suicides. we need comparison statistics from open carry states showing deaths before and after open carry laws. But you can bet your bottom dollar the pro gun lobby wont show that.

I'd rather have our laws than the USA laws - to be honest.

Bobby. wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:51pm:

rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:50pm: Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:48pm: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates, its pointless having less murders if you have more accidental deaths. 33,000 people die from firearms in the USA every year. About 12,000 of those are suicides. we need comparison statistics from open carry states showing deaths before and after open carry laws. But you can bet your bottom dollar the pro gun lobby wont show that. I'd rather have our laws than the USA laws - to be honest.

Its also a cultural thing, if we had gun ownership on the scale they do in the US we would have open warfare on every street corner, Australians are in comparison violent people compared to the US. And we certainly do not want a specific 3 percent of the population having access to firearms, that would be a disaster.

rhino wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:51pm: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:50pm: Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:48pm: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates, its pointless having less murders if you have more accidental deaths. 33,000 people die from firearms in the USA every year. About 12,000 of those are suicides. we need comparison statistics from open carry states showing deaths before and after open carry laws. But you can bet your bottom dollar the pro gun lobby wont show that. I'd rather have our laws than the USA laws - to be honest. Its also a cultural thing, if we had gun ownership on the scale they do in the US we would have open warfare on every street corner, Australians are in comparison violent people compared to the US. And we certainly do not want a specific 3 percent of the population having access to firearms, that would be a disaster.

I'm a victim of gun crime -
I've had a rifle pointed at me &
it's something that you can never forget for the rest of your life.

Its a cowards weapon.

rhino wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:48pm: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates, its pointless having less murders if you have more accidental deaths. 33,000 people die from firearms in the USA every year. About 12,000 of those are suicides. we need comparison statistics from open carry states showing deaths before and after open carry laws. But you can bet your bottom dollar the pro gun lobby wont show that.

Open carry is different from concealed carry.

The states that don't allow open carry like California and Illinois have much higher firearm homicide rates than those that do.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_States

51% of the murders in the USA come from just 2% of the Counties.
zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-01/51-murders-us-come-just-2-counties

The firearm homicide rate has declined by 49% since the early 1990's the only real change to gun laws was allowing concealed carry.

Real men use tongues.

rhino wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:46pm:

Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates

When people mention firearm suicides it shows they don't care about those who kill themselves by other methods, hanging has become our most common method for suicide yet no gun grabber will ever mention that.

I knew Phil Bolger he killed himself with his pistol, he made the decision to do this because previous generations of his family became senile and he didn't want to end up like them, would you prefer he hung himself instead of using a gun?
Is this the type of suicide you wish to prevent?
duckworksmagazine.com/09/reports/bolger/index.htm

Funny how some people are all for assisted suicide, as long as they don't use a gun. :)

Baronvonrort wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:06am:

rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:50pm: Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:48pm: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates, its pointless having less murders if you have more accidental deaths. 33,000 people die from firearms in the USA every year. About 12,000 of those are suicides. we need comparison statistics from open carry states showing deaths before and after open carry laws. But you can bet your bottom dollar the pro gun lobby wont show that. Open carry is different from concealed carry. The states that don't allow open carry like California and Illinois have much higher firearm homicide rates than those that do. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_States 51% of the murders in the USA come from just 2% of the Counties. zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-01/51-murders-us-come-just-2-counties The firearm homicide rate has declined by 49% since the early 1990's the only real change to gun laws was allowing concealed carry.

ok. Lets see stats state by state before and after concealed carry laws. Dont be shy.

Baronvonrort wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:14am:

rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates When people mention firearm suicides it shows they don't care about those who kill themselves by other methods, hanging has become our most common method for suicide yet no gun grabber will ever mention that. I knew Phil Bolger he killed himself with his pistol, he made the decision to do this because previous generations of his family became senile and he didn't want to end up like them, would you prefer he hung himself instead of using a gun? Is this the type of suicide you wish to prevent? duckworksmagazine.com/09/reports/bolger/index.htm Funny how some people are all for assisted suicide, as long as they don't use a gun. :)

Lets see the stats I asked for first, then i will destroy you on this as well.

rhino wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:14am:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:06am: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:50pm: Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:48pm: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates, its pointless having less murders if you have more accidental deaths. 33,000 people die from firearms in the USA every year. About 12,000 of those are suicides. we need comparison statistics from open carry states showing deaths before and after open carry laws. But you can bet your bottom dollar the pro gun lobby wont show that. Open carry is different from concealed carry. The states that don't allow open carry like California and Illinois have much higher firearm homicide rates than those that do. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_States 51% of the murders in the USA come from just 2% of the Counties. zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-01/51-murders-us-come-just-2-counties The firearm homicide rate has declined by 49% since the early 1990's the only real change to gun laws was allowing concealed carry. ok. Lets see stats state by state before and after concealed carry laws. Dont be shy.

The FBI has that data for states it's online it's not hidden, it shows all firearm homicides have declined by 49% since 1992.Try google for FBI Homicide by state.

The data showing when states allowed concealed carry is also online it's not hidden.

Baronvonrort wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:17am:

rhino wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:14am: Baronvonrort wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:06am: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:50pm: Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:48pm: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates, its pointless having less murders if you have more accidental deaths. 33,000 people die from firearms in the USA every year. About 12,000 of those are suicides. we need comparison statistics from open carry states showing deaths before and after open carry laws. But you can bet your bottom dollar the pro gun lobby wont show that. Open carry is different from concealed carry. The states that don't allow open carry like California and Illinois have much higher firearm homicide rates than those that do. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_States 51% of the murders in the USA come from just 2% of the Counties. zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-01/51-murders-us-come-just-2-counties The firearm homicide rate has declined by 49% since the early 1990's the only real change to gun laws was allowing concealed carry. ok. Lets see stats state by state before and after concealed carry laws. Dont be shy. The FBI has that data for states it's online it's not hidden, it shows all firearm homicides have declined by 49% since 1992. The data showing when states allowed concealed carry is also online it's not hidden.

I didnt ask for stats on homicide, that was the whole point. Stats on suicide and accidental deaths thanks.

rhino wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:15am:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:14am: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates When people mention firearm suicides it shows they don't care about those who kill themselves by other methods, hanging has become our most common method for suicide yet no gun grabber will ever mention that. I knew Phil Bolger he killed himself with his pistol, he made the decision to do this because previous generations of his family became senile and he didn't want to end up like them, would you prefer he hung himself instead of using a gun? Is this the type of suicide you wish to prevent? duckworksmagazine.com/09/reports/bolger/index.htm Funny how some people are all for assisted suicide, as long as they don't use a gun. :) Lets see the stats I asked for first, then i will destroy you on this as well.

Will you take him into the forest, Rhino?

Miam miam.

Big Donger wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:43am:

rhino wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:15am: Baronvonrort wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:14am: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates When people mention firearm suicides it shows they don't care about those who kill themselves by other methods, hanging has become our most common method for suicide yet no gun grabber will ever mention that. I knew Phil Bolger he killed himself with his pistol, he made the decision to do this because previous generations of his family became senile and he didn't want to end up like them, would you prefer he hung himself instead of using a gun? Is this the type of suicide you wish to prevent? duckworksmagazine.com/09/reports/bolger/index.htm Funny how some people are all for assisted suicide, as long as they don't use a gun. :) Lets see the stats I asked for first, then i will destroy you on this as well. Will you take him into the forest, Rhino? Miam miam.

No need to 'take" anyone anywhere. got a coherent arguement yet?

rhino wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:46am:

Big Donger wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:43am: rhino wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:15am: Baronvonrort wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:14am: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates When people mention firearm suicides it shows they don't care about those who kill themselves by other methods, hanging has become our most common method for suicide yet no gun grabber will ever mention that. I knew Phil Bolger he killed himself with his pistol, he made the decision to do this because previous generations of his family became senile and he didn't want to end up like them, would you prefer he hung himself instead of using a gun? Is this the type of suicide you wish to prevent? duckworksmagazine.com/09/reports/bolger/index.htm Funny how some people are all for assisted suicide, as long as they don't use a gun. :) Lets see the stats I asked for first, then i will destroy you on this as well. Will you take him into the forest, Rhino? Miam miam. No need to 'take" anyone anywhere. got a coherent arguement yet?

Not yet, Rhino. Will you be taking your shovel with you?

Bobby. wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:51pm:

rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:50pm: Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:48pm: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates, its pointless having less murders if you have more accidental deaths. 33,000 people die from firearms in the USA every year. About 12,000 of those are suicides. we need comparison statistics from open carry states showing deaths before and after open carry laws. But you can bet your bottom dollar the pro gun lobby wont show that. I'd rather have our laws than the USA laws - to be honest.

bobby,

And i'd rather live in a society, where violent criminals [and persistent 'repeat offender' criminals] were permanently removed from society.

'permanently removed from society' = = imprisoned





'I'd rather have our laws than the USA laws'

bobby,

Australia today, is not a safe society for law-abiding citizens.

And, even though firearm laws in Australia restrict the ownership of firearms [much much more than in the USA],          .....many criminals here in Australia are still able to easily obtain firearms, and use them, during the commission of violent crimes.



bobby,

Forget about firearm laws, yer goose.

Our society would be much, much safer,          if we as a society were willing to permanently remove violent criminals [and persistent 'repeat offender' criminals] from society.



Just one glaring example of OUR own failing to do what is right;

That 'piece of work' that abducted, raped and murdered Jill Meagher.

That man, should not have been free, and walking on our streets.

We [collectively] were responsible for the abduction, rape and murder of Jill Meagher.

Big Donger wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:50am:

rhino wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:46am: Big Donger wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:43am: rhino wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:15am: Baronvonrort wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:14am: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates When people mention firearm suicides it shows they don't care about those who kill themselves by other methods, hanging has become our most common method for suicide yet no gun grabber will ever mention that. I knew Phil Bolger he killed himself with his pistol, he made the decision to do this because previous generations of his family became senile and he didn't want to end up like them, would you prefer he hung himself instead of using a gun? Is this the type of suicide you wish to prevent? duckworksmagazine.com/09/reports/bolger/index.htm Funny how some people are all for assisted suicide, as long as they don't use a gun. :) Lets see the stats I asked for first, then i will destroy you on this as well. Will you take him into the forest, Rhino? Miam miam. No need to 'take" anyone anywhere. got a coherent arguement yet? Not yet, Rhino. Will you be taking your shovel with you?

Depends.  Are you coming?

rhino wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:51pm: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:50pm: Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:48pm: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates, its pointless having less murders if you have more accidental deaths. 33,000 people die from firearms in the USA every year. About 12,000 of those are suicides. we need comparison statistics from open carry states showing deaths before and after open carry laws. But you can bet your bottom dollar the pro gun lobby wont show that. I'd rather have our laws than the USA laws - to be honest. Its also a cultural thing, if we had gun ownership on the scale they do in the US we would have open warfare on every street corner, Australians are in comparison violent people compared to the US. And we certainly do not want a specific 3 percent of the population having access to firearms, that would be a disaster.

Thats a unrealistic fear you have. Australia was once one the the safest countries on Earth. Freedom increases personal responsibility and in the case of someone who could be carrying a gun - manners!

Home break-ins and robberies are almost non-existent here. Why? Because there is more guns than people.

I think that if Australians want to possess a gun they should be able to. Providing they complete a course in the safe use of them as part of their license.

Australia is a ripe peach for envious and overcrowded neighbors to the North. Having a trained and armed population is a huge deterrent for invaders.

Do you want to be always "wards of the State" or take some responsibility.

bump

Baronvonrort wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

Quote: A "good Samaritan"with a gun killed an active shooter who may have been gearing up for a deadly rampage at a Texas sports bar, police said. nbcnews.com/news/us-news/good-samaritan-kills-active-shooter-texas-sports-bar-police-n755136 The good Samaritan had a concealed carry permit he shot the offender, he didn't get into any trouble for doing that.

And if the guns had been restricted, there would not been any need to have shot him since he would have been an active puncher

Richdude wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 2:12am:

rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:55pm: Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:51pm: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:50pm: Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:48pm: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates, its pointless having less murders if you have more accidental deaths. 33,000 people die from firearms in the USA every year. About 12,000 of those are suicides. we need comparison statistics from open carry states showing deaths before and after open carry laws. But you can bet your bottom dollar the pro gun lobby wont show that. I'd rather have our laws than the USA laws - to be honest. Its also a cultural thing, if we had gun ownership on the scale they do in the US we would have open warfare on every street corner, Australians are in comparison violent people compared to the US. And we certainly do not want a specific 3 percent of the population having access to firearms, that would be a disaster. Thats a unrealistic fear you have. Australia was once one the the safest countries on Earth. Freedom increases personal responsibility and in the case of someone who could be carrying a gun - manners!

Im not fearful at all, I simply recognise the truth, anyone who goes anywhere near any of our nightlife areas knows how violent young Australians are, adding available firearms to that mix would be extremely stupid. Add to that we have 3 percent of the population who are congenital criminals with a hatred for anyone who acquires anything through industry and a propensity for robbing, raping and killing, adding firearms to the mix here would be an unmitigated disaster.



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Home break-ins and robberies are almost non-existent here. Why? Because there is more guns than people.

Youa re on record as stating you live in a remote sparsely populated area so thats hardly a  surprise is it?  ::)


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I think that if Australians want to possess a gun they should be able to. Providing they complete a course in the safe use of them as part of their license. Australia is a ripe peach for envious and overcrowded neighbors to the North. Having a trained and armed population is a huge deterrent for invaders. Do you want to be always "wards of the State" or take some responsibility.

Thats one of the most stupid statements in the history of the internet, you are American all right. Australians in general are much more independent than you Americans, thats why your women drop their panties so readily for Aussie men.  ;)

rhino wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:02am:

Its a cowards weapon.

I find myself agreeing with Rhino more and more these days.

:-/

Richdude wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 2:12am:

Home break-ins and robberies are almost non-existent here. Why? Because there is more guns than people.

"A burglary takes place about every eighteen seconds in the United States. That adds up to nearly 200 per hour, and approximately 4,800 every day."

greggerypeccary wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

Richdude wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 2:12am: Home break-ins and robberies are almost non-existent here. Why? Because there is more guns than people. "A burglary takes place about every eighteen seconds in the United States. That adds up to nearly 200 per hour, and approximately 4,800 every day."

"There were an estimated 327,374 robberies nationwide in 2015."

900 a day. 

"almost non-existent"   :o

rhino wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 1:21am:

Big Donger wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:50am: rhino wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:46am: Big Donger wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:43am: rhino wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:15am: Baronvonrort wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:14am: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates When people mention firearm suicides it shows they don't care about those who kill themselves by other methods, hanging has become our most common method for suicide yet no gun grabber will ever mention that. I knew Phil Bolger he killed himself with his pistol, he made the decision to do this because previous generations of his family became senile and he didn't want to end up like them, would you prefer he hung himself instead of using a gun? Is this the type of suicide you wish to prevent? duckworksmagazine.com/09/reports/bolger/index.htm Funny how some people are all for assisted suicide, as long as they don't use a gun. :) Lets see the stats I asked for first, then i will destroy you on this as well. Will you take him into the forest, Rhino? Miam miam. No need to 'take" anyone anywhere. got a coherent arguement yet? Not yet, Rhino. Will you be taking your shovel with you? Depends.  Are you coming?

Not yet, dear. I may need a bit more lubrication.

You?

Big Donger wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

rhino wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 1:21am: Big Donger wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:50am: rhino wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:46am: Big Donger wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:43am: rhino wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:15am: Baronvonrort wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:14am: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates When people mention firearm suicides it shows they don't care about those who kill themselves by other methods, hanging has become our most common method for suicide yet no gun grabber will ever mention that. I knew Phil Bolger he killed himself with his pistol, he made the decision to do this because previous generations of his family became senile and he didn't want to end up like them, would you prefer he hung himself instead of using a gun? Is this the type of suicide you wish to prevent? duckworksmagazine.com/09/reports/bolger/index.htm Funny how some people are all for assisted suicide, as long as they don't use a gun. :) Lets see the stats I asked for first, then i will destroy you on this as well. Will you take him into the forest, Rhino? Miam miam. No need to 'take" anyone anywhere. got a coherent arguement yet? Not yet, Rhino. Will you be taking your shovel with you? Depends.  Are you coming? Not yet, dear. I may need a bit more lubrication. You?

my weapons always oiled

longweekend58 wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:08pm: A good story - we need more people like him. why must you be so gullible and stupid?  For every good samaritan with a concealed weapon there is 100 offenders with a concealed weapon. Notice how often this kind of thing DOESNT happen here in OZ?  Never, because we dont have the crime being committed in the first place.

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longweakend58


Violent Burglaries & Carjackings on the Rise in Melbourne

Source:      ABC.Net.Au      
Quote:

'Scared residents' want to 'stand up' to offenders The concern from residents was in response to the dramatic increase in the number of carjackings......

Victorian crime statistics: Robberies rise by 25 per cent

Source:      Herald Sun      
Quote:

VICTORIAN crime rates have soared over the past year despite promises of a statewide crackdown by police chiefs and Premier Daniel Andrews. New statistics reveal crime across the state has soared by 10.2 per cent in the last year.

Spate of violent home invasion causes shortage of baseball bats


Source:      IBTimes      
Quote:

Melbourne police say that having a “live now, die young” attitude is making youths in the city to commit violent and dangerous acts. As a result of the rise in violent home invasions in Melbourne, baseball bats shortage hits sports stores......

Police concern over rise in property and theft offences
as 25 South Australian houses are targeted every day


Source:      The Advertiser    
Quote:

⚫ Elderly couple beaten during ‘cowardly’ home invasion in Flinders Park ⚫ Man left with serious head injuries following ‘targeted’ home invasion HOME invaders and burglars are targeting 25 South Australian houses every day, causing police concern about the rise in property and theft offences. Latest police figures show serious criminal trespass offences increased 11 per cent to 9110 in the 12 months to October this year. This equates to a break-in, on average, every hour of the day. In the past week alone, there have been three notable incidents of criminals breaking into homes and stealing property and, on two of those occasions, assaulting the occupants.......

RACV insurance issues guide - "What To Do In A Home Invasion" after attacks increased 40% last year


Source:      Michael Smith News 
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For a homeowner, it's potentially life and death. ....10 aggravated burglaries per day in Victoria, 3,500 per year - and the number grew by 40% last year! The rate of home invasions has soared over the last year. Crime Statistics Agency data for 2016 has shown an overall 10 per cent increase in home burglaries – but aggravated burglaries have almost doubled........

You see any violent crime????......I didn't see any violent crime!!!

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longweakend58


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Thanks Panther - Longy doesn't know.

Comparing the USA to Australia in this case is virtually irrelevant. Just how you line the two up, I don't know. We are a little country with few firearms, a peaceful history and nothing like the social pressures of a country of 300 million people.

That being said, aren't we fascinated when some nasty sucker gets wasted in a Hollywood action movie.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 2:34pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 10:49pm: Quote: A "good Samaritan"with a gun killed an active shooter who may have been gearing up for a deadly rampage at a Texas sports bar, police said. nbcnews.com/news/us-news/good-samaritan-kills-active-shooter-texas-sports-bar-police-n755136 The good Samaritan had a concealed carry permit he shot the offender, he didn't get into any trouble for doing that. And if the guns had been restricted, there would not been any need to have shot him since he would have been an active puncher

"And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle!"


Not strong on logic, are you.


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And, even though firearm laws in Australia restrict the ownership of firearms [much much more than in the USA],          .....many criminals here in Australia are still able to easily obtain firearms, and use them, during the commission of violent crimes.

Dropped on your head as a child ?

Baronvonrort wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

Quote: A "good Samaritan"with a gun killed an active shooter who may have been gearing up for a deadly rampage at a Texas sports bar, police said. nbcnews.com/news/us-news/good-samaritan-kills-active-shooter-texas-sports-bar-police-n755136 The good Samaritan had a concealed carry permit he shot the offender, he didn't get into any trouble for doing that.

As usual, celebrating the Wild West mentality of American society, Baron.  Tsk, tsk.  ::)   

rhino wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

Richdude wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 2:12am: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:55pm: Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:51pm: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:50pm: Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:48pm: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates, its pointless having less murders if you have more accidental deaths. 33,000 people die from firearms in the USA every year. About 12,000 of those are suicides. we need comparison statistics from open carry states showing deaths before and after open carry laws. But you can bet your bottom dollar the pro gun lobby wont show that. I'd rather have our laws than the USA laws - to be honest. Its also a cultural thing, if we had gun ownership on the scale they do in the US we would have open warfare on every street corner, Australians are in comparison violent people compared to the US. And we certainly do not want a specific 3 percent of the population having access to firearms, that would be a disaster. Thats a unrealistic fear you have. Australia was once one the the safest countries on Earth. Freedom increases personal responsibility and in the case of someone who could be carrying a gun - manners! Im not fearful at all, I simply recognise the truth, anyone who goes anywhere near any of our nightlife areas knows how violent young Australians are, adding available firearms to that mix would be extremely stupid. Add to that we have 3 percent of the population who are congenital criminals with a hatred for anyone who acquires anything through industry and a propensity for robbing, raping and killing, adding firearms to the mix here would be an unmitigated disaster. Quote: Home break-ins and robberies are almost non-existent here. Why? Because there is more guns than people. Youa re on record as stating you live in a remote sparsely populated area so thats hardly a  surprise is it?  ::) [quote] I think that if Australians want to possess a gun they should be able to. Providing they complete a course in the safe use of them as part of their license. Australia is a ripe peach for envious and overcrowded neighbors to the North. Having a trained and armed population is a huge deterrent for invaders. Do you want to be always "wards of the State" or take some responsibility.

Thats one of the most stupid statements in the history of the internet, you are American all right. Australians in general are much more independent than you Americans, thats why your women drop their panties so readily for Aussie men.  ;)[/quote]

An armed and trained population with guns is a massive deterrent to invasion whether you comprehend that or not. You think about Indonesia with a population 10 X that of Australia's a fraction of the size who regards Australia as part of their World and shouldn't be owned by whites.

Also up until Port Arthur Australia was a heavily armed population. Was violence much greater before?

This is an area of small acreages - semi rural and yes home breakins are non-existent - at least I haven't heard of any. Because robbers know that they can be shot dead - legally. Having a gun for a single old woman is a great equalizer.

Australians are not more independent - far from it. America celebrates individualism and imagination.

Richdude wrote on May 11^th, 2017 at 1:17am:

Also up until Port Arthur Australia was a heavily armed population. Was violence much greater before?

I wouldnt say we were heavily armed.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

Richdude wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 2:12am: Home break-ins and robberies are almost non-existent here. Why? Because there is more guns than people. "A burglary takes place about every eighteen seconds in the United States. That adds up to nearly 200 per hour, and approximately 4,800 every day."

I think you watch to much Hollywood movies!

Baronvonrort wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:06am:

The firearm homicide rate has declined by 49% since the early 1990's the only real change to gun laws was allowing concealed carry.

So let's just ignore all the contributing factors and cherry pick the one slightly pro-gun statistic.

Logic!

Richdude wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 2:12am:

I think that if Australians want to possess a gun they should be able to. Providing they complete a course in the safe use of them as part of their license.

I did that 8 years ago.  I was dead set the only person who wasn't struggling to write my own name on the testing paper and at the end of the test I was the only one who passed.  BUT, the examiners, if you can call them that, went through all the answers to the questions and 30 minutes later those who failed the test, took it again and passed.

I hope it's not like that these days but it was a joke.

Big Donger wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

rhino wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 1:21am: Big Donger wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:50am: rhino wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:46am: Big Donger wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:43am: rhino wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:15am: Baronvonrort wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:14am: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates When people mention firearm suicides it shows they don't care about those who kill themselves by other methods, hanging has become our most common method for suicide yet no gun grabber will ever mention that. I knew Phil Bolger he killed himself with his pistol, he made the decision to do this because previous generations of his family became senile and he didn't want to end up like them, would you prefer he hung himself instead of using a gun? Is this the type of suicide you wish to prevent? duckworksmagazine.com/09/reports/bolger/index.htm Funny how some people are all for assisted suicide, as long as they don't use a gun. :) Lets see the stats I asked for first, then i will destroy you on this as well. Will you take him into the forest, Rhino? Miam miam. No need to 'take" anyone anywhere. got a coherent arguement yet? Not yet, Rhino. Will you be taking your shovel with you? Depends.  Are you coming? Not yet, dear. I may need a bit more lubrication. You?

You have obviously no idea how disgusting you sound Carnal. You must have an appallingly low sense of self.

Go away and see a shrink - now!

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Domino’s Delivery Driver Suspended After
Successfully Thwarting Armed Robbery




Source:      Bearing Arms    
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It must be hell to be a delivery driver for Domino’s Pizza. Drunk frat parties, crummy tips, driving in inclement weather and operating under the fear that defending your life could get your suspended or fired. At approximately 11:20 p.m., on a Saturday night delivery in the 1400 block of Springwood Drive near Mesquite Metropolitan Airport in Dallas, TX, a Domino’s Pizza employee told police he was just doing his job when two armed teenagers attempted to rob him. One of the suspects fired a shot from his handgun at the driver, police spokesman Lt. Brian Parrish said. The delivery driver, obviously fearing for his life, pulled his own firearm and returned fire.     The driver shot one of the 16-year-old robbery suspects, who was found nearby and later died. He was identified by the Dallas County medical examiner’s office as Wayne Osborne.     The other 16-year-old was arrested on an aggravated robbery charge. “The loss of a student’s life is always tragic and heartbreaking, regardless of the circumstances,” a statement from the deceased suspect’s school district read. “Mesquite ISD’s thoughts and prayers are with this child’s family as well as the students and staff members of John Horn High School.” Obviously a bright child, since the police report the house where the pizza was being delivered was vacant, and speculate the teens ordered the pizza with the intent to commit armed robbery by luring the delivery driver, and his cash bag, to the location. Smart enough to carry out attempted armed robbery, but not smart enough to know it’s illegal and a good way to get shot and killed. Police also confirmed the delivery driver does not possess a handgun license and could face a charge of unlawfully carrying a weapon.

Well that kid won't be doing that again, now will he.....a brilliant mind is a terrible thing to waste......  https://i.imgsafe.org/de9aaf4.gif

Not even a slight hint of a possible charge for shooting the kid dead though..........because there wasn't any, & there won't be any........& until  "Constitutional Carry (link)"  becomes law in the State, he'll probably have to pay a small fine for not having a permit in his pocket......because carrying a firearm without a permit is still against the law there....last I looked. https://i.imgsafe.org/087bf5e.gif

Read more about Constitutional Carry    HERE

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longweekend58 wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:08pm: A good story - we need more people like him. why must you be so gullible and stupid?  For every good samaritan with a concealed weapon there is 100 offenders with a concealed weapon. Notice how often this kind of thing DOESNT happen here in OZ?  Never, because we dont have the crime being committed in the first place.

Are you related to John Smith, because in every one of his and your posts you seem to enjoy calling members of the forum stupid......and you know Smith is the epitome of stupidity, so are you?

Big Donger wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

rhino wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 1:21am: Big Donger wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:50am: rhino wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:46am: Big Donger wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:43am: rhino wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:15am: Baronvonrort wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 12:14am: rhino wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 11:46pm: Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates When people mention firearm suicides it shows they don't care about those who kill themselves by other methods, hanging has become our most common method for suicide yet no gun grabber will ever mention that. I knew Phil Bolger he killed himself with his pistol, he made the decision to do this because previous generations of his family became senile and he didn't want to end up like them, would you prefer he hung himself instead of using a gun? Is this the type of suicide you wish to prevent? duckworksmagazine.com/09/reports/bolger/index.htm Funny how some people are all for assisted suicide, as long as they don't use a gun. :) Lets see the stats I asked for first, then i will destroy you on this as well. Will you take him into the forest, Rhino? Miam miam. No need to 'take" anyone anywhere. got a coherent arguement yet? Not yet, Rhino. Will you be taking your shovel with you? Depends.  Are you coming? Not yet, dear. I may need a bit more lubrication. You?

You indicate that you are a female, yet never have I heard a decent woman talk like that, so you appear to be either a liar.....or a slag?