https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c4XPVPJwBY

Forget “Professor YouTube” and read a real scientific paper:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 12:13pm:

Forget “Professor YouTube” and read a real scientific paper:

Too many home truths JV...............???

I don’t watch denier YouTubes Ajax. I read scientific papers.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 1:18pm:

I don’t watch denier YouTubes Ajax. I read scientific papers.

By the looks of it only the ones that suit your purpose.

To be informed you must listen to both sides of the argument otherwise how can you come to a logical conclusion................. :o

Ajax wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 1:18pm: I don’t watch denier YouTubes Ajax. I read scientific papers. By the looks of it only the ones that suit your purpose. To be informed you must listen to both sides of the argument otherwise how can you come to a logical conclusion................. :o

That's not how his cult works.


https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/gore_end_nearer.jpg

I read the science.

Radiative forcings are causing the global warming that is being observed. We can see the forcings using spectrometry both terrestrial and satellite.

No other explanation has been advanced that explains the observed warming.

Not the sun, it has been relatively quiet for 50 years. The warming has happened while the sun has emitted less than normal radiation. That is something to think about!

No axial tilt or orbital perturbation has occurred.

It is not a matter of looking at “both sides” it is a matter of looking at evidence and on that basis the AGW theory is doing well. Plenty of scientists looking to disprove it, no real luck with that so far.

Booby thinks he (Dubyne that is) has put forward a theory of “cooling” but since the globe is warming that is nonsense. Dubyne bolsters his bullshit theory by lying about, exaggerating and cherrypicking cold. He has LIED about “record cold” and “record snow” “destroying crops” in Europe this month. I easily disproved this BS claim by looking at weather records and ag. sites.

At a time the worlds granaries were bulging at the seams Dubyne was lying about food shortages. A VERY warm winter (70°F) in Chicago and much of the midwest (and relevant parts of Canada,) usually deep in snow, no snow and spring temperatures midwinter. England—very mild winter.

Interesting thing is: I was alerted to these warm winter temps by comments to the Dubyne videos! Dubyne never, ever mentions warmer than usual temperatures, just lies about cold. Hmmm, the Australian Alps got a dusting of summer snow, not that unusual, and Dubyne reported that as “Tasmania, Victoria and New South Wales “blanketed by snow.” Wild exaggeration.

So much for Dubyne and cooling.

Attempts to show it is the sun doing the warming don’t get far, have to build in all sorts of things like a delay in the effect of solar maxima etc etc, supply of heat from oceans etc etc. Its very complication shows it is a dubious theory—and does not account for the spectrometry data. There really is no explanation by looking at the sun alone.

If you accept there is warming then I can’t see how you can reject AGW.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 2:20pm:

Radiative forcings are causing the global warming that is being observed.

{lease tell us, with references why downwelling IR from the Sun doesn't impact radiative forcing.


Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 2:20pm:

We can see the forcings using spectrometry both terrestrial and satellite.

We can see some forcings. We have no idea of the net effect of downwelling and upwelling IR. Until you can determine that there is no science.


Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 2:20pm:

No other explanation has been advanced that explains the observed warming.

You still haven't provided the paper that proves natural variation can't explain the warming. ;)


Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 2:20pm:

Not the sun, it has been relatively quiet for 50 years. The warming has happened while the sun has emitted less than normal radiation. That is something to think about!

You forget visible light causing warming again. ;)

What is the frequency band of the IR emitted by the sun compared to the frequency band of the IR emitted by the Earth? The IR from the earth is black body radiation, that from the sun isn’t, obviously.

What does this have to do with the IR spectrum observed by satellites?

Quote:

"Global Warming" Failed & Climate Change is real

semantics

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Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 2:41pm:

What is the frequency band of the IR emitted by the sun compared to the frequency band of the IR emitted by the Earth?

You mean infrared is not necessarily infrared? ;D ;D ;D ;D


Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 2:41pm:

The IR from the earth is black body radiation,

You know the earth is not a black body; don't you?

lee wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 3:19pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 2:41pm: What is the frequency band of the IR emitted by the sun compared to the frequency band of the IR emitted by the Earth? You mean infrared is not necessarily infrared? ;D ;D ;D ;D Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 2:41pm: The IR from the earth is black body radiation, You know the earth is not a black body; don't you?

There is a band of frequencies for each part of the EM spectrum. Obviously, you have no idea of this.

I suggest you google “black body radiation” because you obviously do not have a clue what it is.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 3:21pm:

There is a band of frequencies for each part of the EM spectrum.

Very good. Now the sun emits white light. What part of spectrum do you think the suns emission of white light differs?


Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 3:21pm:

I suggest you google “black body radiation” because you obviously do not have a clue what it is.

Because it doesn't accord with your beliefs? ;D ;D ;D

"Is earth a perfect black body?"
"No basically a Perfect Black Body is the Body which radiates the amount of radiation which is absorbed.

So Earth doesn't emitt that much amount of radiation absorbed by it so it can't be classified as perfect Black Body."

https://www.quora.com/Is-earth-a-perfect-black-body

It is more a grey body

"Most of the Sun's radiation is blackbody radiation radiated from the Sun's surface, or photosphere, whose temperature is about 5700 K. The Earth's surface is warmed by absorbing this light. At the same time it is absorbing energy, the Earth's surface is emitting its own blackbody radiation. At night, when the surface is no longer being illuminated by the Sun, it is still radiating its own blackbody radiation, the Earth's surface to cool. "

ftp://umpgal.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/daac_ozone/Lecture4/Text/X/blackbodyintro.html

So the earth re-radiates some of its absorbed radiation.

The sun emits white light.

FAIL!

Have a think and try again.

So answer the rest. ;)

You can do it, just THINK!

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

You can do it, just THINK!

And obviously you can't, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Still haven’t worked it out? Blimy!

And you continually lie. BLIMEY.

Wassamatter Lees, no denier website to find an answer in? Hopeless when thrown on your own mental resources?

Think, Lees!

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 7:30pm:

Wassamatter Lees, no denier website to find an answer in? Hopeless when thrown on your own mental resources? Think, Lees!

No. You make it up. It is so much more interesting. ;D ;D ;D ;D

I told you you said something wrong, which you did.

Why the hell can’t you work out where you stuffed up? Well, it is the second time for that I guess, which is why I said without a denier site to fall back on you are helpless.

I AM enjoying this.

The climate is changing, the oceans are dying the atmosphere is polluted, people are choking to death in major cities, water is ever increasingly being contaminated but as if humans have anything to do with this, pfft, it is such a big planet so how could that be.
To err on the side of caution for the sake humanity would not hurt.
Go Nuclear real quick.

Nuclear and renewables are what I have been pushing for, yup.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Nuclear and renewables are what I have been pushing for, yup.

Build a Nuclear plant to produce enough windymills to criss cross Australia and then decommission the nuclear.

No, I can see value in having a centralised non–intermittent power source plus renewables tied into an ultra high voltage DC grid plus totally decentralised rooftop solar (and small windmills) plus battery storage.

We CAN decarbonise the economy, crash proof the grid and increase jobs. If we run out a real NBN at the same time the economy will soar as will jobs.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 7:39pm:

I told you you said something wrong, which you did. Why the hell can’t you work out where you stuffed up? Well, it is the second time for that I guess, which is why I said without a denier site to fall back on you are helpless. I AM enjoying this.

I'm so glad. Small things amuse small minds. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You really are clueless!  ;D ;D ;D

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 10:15pm:

You really are clueless!  ;D ;D ;D

Yes. I have no clue why you lie.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 1:41pm:

Ajax wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 1:40pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 1:18pm: I don’t watch denier YouTubes Ajax. I read scientific papers. By the looks of it only the ones that suit your purpose. To be informed you must listen to both sides of the argument otherwise how can you come to a logical conclusion................. :o That's not how his cult works. https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/gore_end_nearer.jpg

You're such a junior buddy  :D

lee wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 4:42pm:

So answer the rest. ;)

Oh ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, someones got homework to do or the fascist goes up the whatsit uuuuum ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh oh no daddykins is home!

;D

These blokes used to end up  putting their heads in ovens when wifey left and everyone knew why...   :-X

Ajax wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 1:18pm: I don’t watch denier YouTubes Ajax. I read scientific papers. By the looks of it only the ones that suit your purpose. To be informed you must listen to both sides of the argument otherwise how can you come to a logical conclusion................. :o

Right, and you listen to the AGW side?  ::) :)

If this was a matter of scholarship then appeals to “look on both sides” might have merit. But it is a matter of science and so we look for evidence and the evidence is overwhelmingly in that AGW is what is causing the globe to heat

That the globe is warming is beyond realistic dispute (Booby’s idiotic Ice Age crap is not realistic, it is cherry picking at best and outright lying at worst.) That CO2 is a greenhouse gas that absorbs IR has been known for over 100 years. Now we have terrestrial and satellite telemetry that shows the various GHGs actually absorbing and blocking IR from escaping to space. That means the globe warms.

What the hell “other side” is there to look at, Ajax?

Jovial Monk wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 11:23am:

That the globe is warming is beyond realistic dispute (Booby’s idiotic Ice Age crap is not realistic, it is cherry picking at best and outright lying at worst.) That CO2 is a greenhouse gas that absorbs IR has been known for over 100 years. Now we have terrestrial and satellite telemetry that shows the various GHGs actually absorbing and blocking IR from escaping to space. That means the globe warms. What the hell “other side” is there to look at, Ajax?

The one that blocks incoming IR. Reducing warming.

Or do you still believe the IR is only affected one way? How much extra CO2 is in your greenhouse, that warms it so much? ;)

So, what frequency bands do solar IR and reflected IR have? Surely you can find out?

Jovial Monk wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 12:25pm:

So, what frequency bands do solar IR and reflected IR have? Surely you can find out?

I'll say similar. Prove me wrong. ;)

You put this hypothesis up, either admit it is crap or develop it and find some evidence.

Jovial Monk wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 12:37pm:

You put this hypothesis up, either admit it is crap or develop it and find some evidence.

It seems even NASA is having trouble with it,

"These kinds of experimental studies are very difficult to make using terrestrial infrared telescopes because Earth's own atmosphere is loaded with water and other molecules that strongly absorb incoming radiation, making the atmosphere opaque. In fact, there are only a frustratingly few wavelength regions where incoming infrared radiation can be studied without interference from atmospheric gases. For example, there are localized "windows' at 4.7-5.2, 7-13, and 20 μm, among others. This is why it is common to locate observatories high on mountain tops, where they are above at least some of the Earth's atmosphere. Better yet, of course, is to send infrared instruments into space where the atmospheric interferences are avoided altogether."

https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/docs/Here_Comes_Heat.pdf

BTW - I am chuffed you believe I know more than NASA. ;)

NASA also uses satellite spectrometry.

Jovial Monk wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 1:33pm:

NASA also uses satellite spectrometry.

Yes. But don't show the difference between Incoming and Outgoing IR. ;)

So. . .?

Jovial Monk wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 3:10pm:

So. . .?

So what is the difference between incoming and outgoing IR?

Or do you still believe it is at a different wavelength and won't have an effect?

Surely SKS has something to say on the matter. ;)

You advanced this theory, I await with bated breath to see what you are going to do with it.

Nothing is my guess.

Jovial Monk wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 3:32pm:

You advanced this theory, I await with bated breath to see what you are going to do with it. Nothing is my guess.

More like "baited" breath.

So assume I am wrong. Tell me scientifically, why the theory is wrong. You are supposed to be the scientist.

Your theory, you develop it and look for evidence.

Jovial Monk wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 3:38pm:

Your theory, you develop it and look for evidence.

I don't need to. Your philosophy is GAIA knows. ;D ;D ;D ;D

I accept your white flag.

Jovial Monk wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 3:41pm:

I accept your white flag.

You accept anything. Including CO2 is a one way mirror. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D