In France:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/21/europe/paris-police-shooting-champs-elysees/index.html


The far-right candidate, Marine Le Pen, demanded the closure of all Islamist mosques. Prime Minister Bernard Cazeneuve accused her of trying to capitalize on the attack.
ISIS swiftly claimed the attack was carried out by one of its "fighters." The assailant -- Karim Cheurfi, a 39-year-old French national with a long and violent criminal record -- was shot dead as he tried to make his escape. Prosecutors said a note defending ISIS fell out of his pocket, although there was no previous evidence of radicalization. He was also carrying the addresses of police stations

What a good idea - why can't limp wristed Malcolm do the same here?

Doesn't Pauline want to do that too?

And close the gate after the horses bolted as well. Politics in Western democracies is the art of the do-able. A swing in public opinion is required before any correctional policies can be adopted. At present liberal progressive humanism is still the dominant regime. That's what Trump does not understand.

issuevoter wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 12:14pm:

And close the gate after the horses bolted as well. Politics in Western democracies is the art of the do-able. A swing in public opinion is required before any correctional policies can be adopted. At present liberal progressive humanism is still the dominant regime. That's what Trump does not understand.

Liberal progressive humanism will lose Malcolm the next election.

The world is turning right wing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/21/emmanuel-macron-marine-le-pen-francois-fillon-french-police-shooting


The US president, Donald Trump, offered a tacit endorsement of LePen, describing her as the “strongest” candidate.

The US president told the Associated Press that although he was not “explicitly endorsing” the leader of the Front National, she was the “strongest on borders, and she’s the strongest on what’s been going on in France.”

Earlier on Friday Trump tweeted that the attack would have a “big effect” on the election, adding: “The people of France will not take much more of this.”

We offer freedom of religion her Bobby that's why not, mind you, many Muslims don't... 

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 11:50am:

What a good idea - why can't limp wristed Malcolm do the same here? Doesn't Pauline want to do that too?

Thankfully Section 116 of the Constitution prevents them from doing so.

Tell me, Bobby, what do you think of Putin's decision against the Jehovah Witnesses the other day?  Section 116 of our Constitution would prevent the Muslims being treated the same way.  Good.    ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 3:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 11:50am: What a good idea - why can't limp wristed Malcolm do the same here? Doesn't Pauline want to do that too? Thankfully Section 116 of the Constitution prevents them from doing so. Tell me, Bobby, what do you think of Putin's decision against the Jehovah Witnesses the other day?  Section 116 of our Constitution would prevent the Muslims being treated the same way.  Good.    ::) ::)

Apologist...... ::) ::)

Fuzzball wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 3:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 3:09pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 11:50am: What a good idea - why can't limp wristed Malcolm do the same here? Doesn't Pauline want to do that too? Thankfully Section 116 of the Constitution prevents them from doing so. Tell me, Bobby, what do you think of Putin's decision against the Jehovah Witnesses the other day?  Section 116 of our Constitution would prevent the Muslims being treated the same way.  Good.    ::) ::) Apologist...... ::) ::)

How is recognising the limitations the Australian Constitution place on government excess and persecution being an "apologist", Fireball?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 3:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 11:50am: What a good idea - why can't limp wristed Malcolm do the same here? Doesn't Pauline want to do that too? Thankfully Section 116 of the Constitution prevents them from doing so. Tell me, Bobby, what do you think of Putin's decision against the Jehovah Witnesses the other day?  Section 116 of our Constitution would prevent the Muslims being treated the same way.  Good.    ::) ::)

Section 116 of the Constitution will need to be changed.

I agree that it's not something that limp wristed Malcolm would consider.

I know nothing about  Putin's decision against the Jehovah Witnesses.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 6:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 3:09pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 11:50am: What a good idea - why can't limp wristed Malcolm do the same here? Doesn't Pauline want to do that too? Thankfully Section 116 of the Constitution prevents them from doing so. Tell me, Bobby, what do you think of Putin's decision against the Jehovah Witnesses the other day?  Section 116 of our Constitution would prevent the Muslims being treated the same way.  Good.    ::) ::) Section 116 of the Constitution will need to be changed.

And the history of Constitutional Referenda in Australia is...what exactly, Bobby?  Good luck with that.  I can see the other religions all opposing any change to Section 116.


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I agree that it's not something that limp wristed Malcolm would consider. I know nothing about  Putin's decision against the Jehovah Witnesses.

Read up about it.  From the perspective of someone who appears to like the idea of persecuting people on the basis of their religious beliefs, you should find it interesting.   ::) ::)

dear Brian,
Australia is a follower - not a leader.

If countries ban mosques then we'll follow - one day.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 4:30pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 3:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 3:09pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 11:50am: What a good idea - why can't limp wristed Malcolm do the same here? Doesn't Pauline want to do that too? Thankfully Section 116 of the Constitution prevents them from doing so. Tell me, Bobby, what do you think of Putin's decision against the Jehovah Witnesses the other day?  Section 116 of our Constitution would prevent the Muslims being treated the same way.  Good.    ::) ::) Apologist...... ::) ::) How is recognising the limitations the Australian Constitution place on government excess and persecution being an "apologist", Fireball?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

You have never once addressed ways of curbing the excesses of Muslims in the West, you are only ever 'thankful' for Western governments, including Australia's, being hobbled if they do want to curb Muslim terrorism.

That's why you are an apologist for and defender of Muslim terrorists, Brian.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 6:52pm:

dear Brian, Australia is a follower - not a leader. If countries ban mosques then we'll follow - one day.

Not until Section 116 is changed, Bobby.   ::)

Frank wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 10:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 4:30pm: Fuzzball wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 3:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 3:09pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 11:50am: What a good idea - why can't limp wristed Malcolm do the same here? Doesn't Pauline want to do that too? Thankfully Section 116 of the Constitution prevents them from doing so. Tell me, Bobby, what do you think of Putin's decision against the Jehovah Witnesses the other day?  Section 116 of our Constitution would prevent the Muslims being treated the same way.  Good.    ::) ::) Apologist...... ::) ::) How is recognising the limitations the Australian Constitution place on government excess and persecution being an "apologist", Fireball?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) You have never once addressed ways of curbing the excesses of Muslims in the West, you are only ever 'thankful' for Western governments, including Australia's, being hobbled if they do want to curb Muslim terrorism. That's why you are an apologist for and defender of Muslim terrorists, Brian.

No, I recognise that Muslim Terrorists are a minor problem compared to so many other problems in Australia, Soren.   Australian Muslims are generally well adjusted, assimilated and integrated into Australian society.   The more you try and claim otherwise, the more likely you'll drive them into the arms of the radicals.   You should stop persecuting people simply 'cause you're an Islamophobe, Soren.    ::) ::)

Muslim terrorism doesn't exist because what I say. It exist because of the Koran and Mohammed.

Whether it is a minor or a major problem is not the question. The question is - why IS there Muslim terrorism in Australia, a country that gives more rights and opportunities to Muslims than any Muslim country? Why are they plotting to kill us? Why are they here if they despise us?

Quote:

why IS there Muslim terrorism in Australia,

Because Hayseed decided to go to War on Terror.  Guess what?

Terror is fighting back.

Aussie wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 11:22pm:

Quote: why IS there Muslim terrorism in Australia, Because Hayseed decided to go to War on Terror.  Guess what? Terror is fighting back.

Ah, so you are OK with jihad in Australia, you stupid, contemptible fVking m0ron?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/21/europe/paris-police-shooting-champs-elysees/index.html


At a televised news conference Friday, Le Pen called for:

the closure of all "Islamist" mosques in France,

the expulsion of hate preachers and

the reinstatement of French borders.

People on the French security services' watch list for radicalization should also be expelled from France and

have their French citizenship revoked, she said.

Frank wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 11:18pm:

Muslim terrorism doesn't exist because what I say. It exist because of the Koran and Mohammed. Whether it is a minor or a major problem is not the question. The question is - why IS there Muslim terrorism in Australia, a country that gives more rights and opportunities to Muslims than any Muslim country? Why are they plotting to kill us? Why are they here if they despise us?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Where did I claim you were responsible for the existence of Jihad or Terrorism, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, you really do suffer from a big head, don't you?  Narcissist complex?  What a shame.  Really, what a shame, you cannot even see the faults in your own arguments.   ::)

Oh dear more disingenuous obfuscation and ad hom trolling and flaming from the Dr of Divinity bwian...  tsk tsk tsk bwian.

I would be amazed if closing down any mosques woujd change anything to be honest...

the terrorists are already underground....so what the hell would change..

I would reckon.. 99% of Mosques  are only used for what they are intended...the same as any church..

I do not believe in punishing everyone for the few..

bobby you are one for using violence to stop violence..

so what would you say if they bring in a LAW thats says..

when any member of a family is sent to jail for committing a crime then his/her whole family will also go to jail.. ::) ::)

would that be ok with you?

cods wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 11:12am:

I would be amazed if closing down any mosques woujd change anything to be honest... the terrorists are already underground....so what the hell would change.. I would reckon.. 99% of Mosques  are only used for what they are intended...the same as any church.. I do not believe in punishing everyone for the few.. bobby you are one for using violence to stop violence.. so what would you say if they bring in a LAW thats says.. when any member of a family is sent to jail for committing a crime then his/her whole family will also go to jail.. ::) ::) would that be ok with you?

Dear Cods,
it's a sad fact that
all is fair in love and war.


I agree with Le Pen & we should do the same here:


Quote:

At a televised news conference Friday, Le Pen called for: the closure of all "Islamist" mosques in France, the expulsion of hate preachers and the reinstatement of French borders. People on the French security services' watch list for radicalization should also be expelled from France and have their French citizenship revoked, she said.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 11:22am:

cods wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 11:12am: I would be amazed if closing down any mosques woujd change anything to be honest... the terrorists are already underground....so what the hell would change.. I would reckon.. 99% of Mosques  are only used for what they are intended...the same as any church.. I do not believe in punishing everyone for the few.. bobby you are one for using violence to stop violence.. so what would you say if they bring in a LAW thats says.. when any member of a family is sent to jail for committing a crime then his/her whole family will also go to jail.. ::) ::) would that be ok with you? Dear Cods, it's a sad fact that all is fair in love and war. I agree with Le Pen & we should do the same here: Quote: At a televised news conference Friday, Le Pen called for: the closure of all "Islamist" mosques in France, the expulsion of hate preachers and the reinstatement of French borders. People on the French security services' watch list for radicalization should also be expelled from France and have their French citizenship revoked, she said.

and what do you think will happen.... ::) ::)

where do you think these people will pray?.......they will just use a house somewhere...it is only a building.. ::) ::)

Better idea.......get rid of all the muslims, yes even the ones born here, then demolish all the mosques........problem solved

Grendel wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 9:49am:

Oh dear more disingenuous obfuscation and ad hom trolling and flaming from the Dr of Divinity bwian...  tsk tsk tsk bwian.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, more ad hominem insults.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

No bwian just posting the truth...  unlike you ;D ;D ;D
Are you saying you are not a Dr of Divinity now?

Fuzzball wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 11:34am:

Better idea.......get rid of all the muslims, yes even the ones born here, then demolish all the mosques........problem solved

Section 116 of the Australian Constitution would prevent that, Fireball.  Tsk, tsk, I am unsure why you Islamophobes won't accept that it would be illegal for the Government to persecute any person on the basis of their religion.    ::) ::)

Grendel wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 3:30pm:

No bwian just posting the truth...  unlike you ;D ;D ;D

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, more ad hominem insults.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

No bwian....  YAWN....  you keep posting lies....  why is that?

Grendel wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 3:31pm:

No bwian....  YAWN....  you keep posting lies....  why is that?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, more ad hominem insults.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

If I have lied - "knowingly told an untruth" - then prove I have lied.   ::)

Oh dear more of the same boring off topic crap.... ::) ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 11:53pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 11:22pm: Quote: why IS there Muslim terrorism in Australia, Because Hayseed decided to go to War on Terror.  Guess what? Terror is fighting back. Ah, so you are OK with jihad in Australia, you stupid, contemptible fVking m0ron?

No, not at all.  I just don't whinge and whine like a stuck pig when a mob we have made a military enemy of fights back with whatever tools they have available to them.

Grendel wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 3:55pm:

Oh dear more of the same boring off topic crap.... ::) ::) ::)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, more ad hominem insults.  Tsk, tsk.   How is mentioning Section 116 of the Australian Constitution which limits the Commonwealth's powers in regard to religion, "off topic crap", Geoff?   ::)

Aussie wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 4:10pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 11:53pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 11:22pm: Quote: why IS there Muslim terrorism in Australia, Because Hayseed decided to go to War on Terror.  Guess what? Terror is fighting back. Ah, so you are OK with jihad in Australia, you stupid, contemptible fVking m0ron? No, not at all.  I just don't whinge and whine like a stuck pig when a mob we have made a military enemy of fights back with whatever tools they have available to them.

I didn't realise that the Muslim immigrants to this country are "a mob we have made a military enemy of". I thought they came because they wanted to be here and to contribute and leave all that sectarian shite behind.

But not the case with Muslims, I see.  Which is what we have all been saying all along - can't trust the bastards to leave the old animosities behind, they bring it here and spread it.

Frank wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 8:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 4:10pm: Frank wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 11:53pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 11:22pm: Quote: why IS there Muslim terrorism in Australia, Because Hayseed decided to go to War on Terror.  Guess what? Terror is fighting back. Ah, so you are OK with jihad in Australia, you stupid, contemptible fVking m0ron? No, not at all.  I just don't whinge and whine like a stuck pig when a mob we have made a military enemy of fights back with whatever tools they have available to them. I didn't realise that the Muslim immigrants to this country are "a mob we have made a military enemy of". I thought they came because they wanted to be here and to contribute and leave all that sectarian shite behind. But not the case with Muslims, I see.  Which is what we have all been saying all along - can't trust the bastards to leave the old animosities behind, they bring it here and spread it.

So you agree with Le Pen?

Le Pen called for:

the closure of all "Islamist" mosques in France,

the expulsion of hate preachers and

the reinstatement of French borders.

People on the French security services' watch list for radicalization should also be expelled from France and

have their French citizenship revoked, she said.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 3:35pm:

Grendel wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 3:31pm: No bwian....  YAWN....  you keep posting lies....  why is that? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif Oh, dearie, dearie, me, more ad hominem insults.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) If I have lied - "knowingly told an untruth" - then prove I have lied.   ::)

Oh dear caught out in another lie eh bwian....  just about every post you make have lies in them bwian.  I never mentioned the Constitution now did I...  and you are either totally dumb or aware that you constantly lie.  You lie about me and others all the time.  More than I have pointed that out to you bwian...  you knowingly lie about everyone who disagrees with you.

So stop the bullshyte eh.

BTW I pointed out to Bobby ages ago about Australia and freedom of religion  :D :D :D :D :D

Grendel wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 11:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 3:35pm: Grendel wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 3:31pm: No bwian....  YAWN....  you keep posting lies....  why is that? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif Oh, dearie, dearie, me, more ad hominem insults.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) If I have lied - "knowingly told an untruth" - then prove I have lied.   ::) Oh dear caught out in another lie eh bwian....  just about every post you make have lies in them bwian.

Really?  Prove it then.  If every post I make contains lies, you should have no problems proving that I have "knowingly told an untruth," now should you, Geoff? 

Here is a space for you to do it in, too:


Quote:

Or will you run away as per usual, Geoff?  Tsk, tsk.


Quote:

I never mentioned the Constitution now did I...  and you are either totally dumb or aware that you constantly lie.  You lie about me and others all the time.  More than I have pointed that out to you bwian...  you knowingly lie about everyone who disagrees with you. So stop the bullshyte eh. BTW I pointed out to Bobby ages ago about Australia and freedom of religion  :D :D :D :D :D

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Geoff, why. wny do you bother?  All you do is troll and use ad hominem.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Really bwian, when will you grow up and debate like a real man for a change?
Instead of some beligerant  infantile  bigot.

Grendel wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 11:23pm:

Really bwian, when will you grow up and debate like a real man for a change? Instead of some beligerant  infantile  bigot.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Geoff, why do you bother?  All you do is troll and use ad hominem.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

YAWN....  yet another pathetic non-attempt at debate eh bwian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Grendel wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:23am:

YAWN....  yet another pathetic non-attempt at debate eh bwian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Geoff, why do you bother?  All you do is troll and use ad hominem.  Tsk, tsk.   You have failed dismally to prove that I have "knowingly told an untruth".  Which suggests what about your own honesty, hey?     ::)

Brian - if you're so bored then get off this thread.

You're not welcome.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:48pm:

Brian - if you're so bored then get off this thread. You're not welcome.

Tough.  Run along, Bobby.  Read up about Section 116 yet?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:48pm: Brian - if you're so bored then get off this thread. You're not welcome. Tough.  Run along, Bobby.  Read up about Section 116 yet?   ::)

If Marine wins we'll have to change our laws.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 5:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:53pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:48pm: Brian - if you're so bored then get off this thread. You're not welcome. Tough.  Run along, Bobby.  Read up about Section 116 yet?   ::) If Marine wins we'll have to change our laws.

Why, Bobby?  We are not beholden to France in anyway, shape or form.   Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Bobby. wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 8:28pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 4:10pm: Frank wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 11:53pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 11:22pm: Quote: why IS there Muslim terrorism in Australia, Because Hayseed decided to go to War on Terror.  Guess what? Terror is fighting back. Ah, so you are OK with jihad in Australia, you stupid, contemptible fVking m0ron? No, not at all.  I just don't whinge and whine like a stuck pig when a mob we have made a military enemy of fights back with whatever tools they have available to them. I didn't realise that the Muslim immigrants to this country are "a mob we have made a military enemy of". I thought they came because they wanted to be here and to contribute and leave all that sectarian shite behind. But not the case with Muslims, I see.  Which is what we have all been saying all along - can't trust the bastards to leave the old animosities behind, they bring it here and spread it. So you agree with Le Pen? Le Pen called for: the closure of all "Islamist" mosques in France, the expulsion of hate preachers and the reinstatement of French borders. People on the French security services' watch list for radicalization should also be expelled from France and have their French citizenship revoked, she said.

Eminently sensible policies. Should be the basic attitude of every Western country.


Mosques can be re-opened, under strict guidelines, once the radicals have been weeded out.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:53pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:48pm: Brian - if you're so bored then get off this thread. You're not welcome. Tough.  Run along, Bobby.  Read up about Section 116 yet?   ::) If Marine wins we'll have to change our laws. Why, Bobby?  We are not beholden to France in anyway, shape or form.   Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Many of our ideas and values come from France, Doctor Du Culs.

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 6:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 8:37pm: So you agree with Le Pen? Le Pen called for: the closure of all "Islamist" mosques in France, the expulsion of hate preachers and the reinstatement of French borders. People on the French security services' watch list for radicalization should also be expelled from France and have their French citizenship revoked, she said. Eminently sensible policies. Should be the basic attitude of every Western country. Mosques can be re-opened, under strict guidelines, once the radicals have been weeded out.

Hear hear.

But it won't happen until the arrogant elite (of the main parties) are voted out just as has happened in France.

'"The main thing at stake in this election is the rampant globalisation that is endangering our civilisation," she added, urging French voters to shake off the shackles of an "arrogant elite".

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 6:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 8:37pm: Frank wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 8:28pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 4:10pm: Frank wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 11:53pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 11:22pm: Quote: why IS there Muslim terrorism in Australia, Because Hayseed decided to go to War on Terror.  Guess what? Terror is fighting back. Ah, so you are OK with jihad in Australia, you stupid, contemptible fVking m0ron? No, not at all.  I just don't whinge and whine like a stuck pig when a mob we have made a military enemy of fights back with whatever tools they have available to them. I didn't realise that the Muslim immigrants to this country are "a mob we have made a military enemy of". I thought they came because they wanted to be here and to contribute and leave all that sectarian shite behind. But not the case with Muslims, I see.  Which is what we have all been saying all along - can't trust the bastards to leave the old animosities behind, they bring it here and spread it. So you agree with Le Pen? Le Pen called for: the closure of all "Islamist" mosques in France, the expulsion of hate preachers and the reinstatement of French borders. People on the French security services' watch list for radicalization should also be expelled from France and have their French citizenship revoked, she said. Eminently sensible policies. Should be the basic attitude of every Western country. Mosques can be re-opened, under strict guidelines, once the radicals have been weeded out.

Section 116 would prevent that, Soren.  You really don't understand Australian Constitutional law and precedence do you?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 6:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:45pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:53pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:48pm: Brian - if you're so bored then get off this thread. You're not welcome. Tough.  Run along, Bobby.  Read up about Section 116 yet?   ::) If Marine wins we'll have to change our laws. Why, Bobby?  We are not beholden to France in anyway, shape or form.   Tsk, tsk.    ::) Many of our ideas and values come from France, Doctor Du Culs.

Really?  Prove it, Soren.  I'd be interested to see what you have to type about it.  I am unaware of any "ideas and values" that come directly from France...    ::)

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 6:17pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 8:37pm: So you agree with Le Pen? Le Pen called for: the closure of all "Islamist" mosques in France, the expulsion of hate preachers and the reinstatement of French borders. People on the French security services' watch list for radicalization should also be expelled from France and have their French citizenship revoked, she said. Eminently sensible policies. Should be the basic attitude of every Western country. Mosques can be re-opened, under strict guidelines, once the radicals have been weeded out. Hear hear. But it won't happen until the arrogant elite (of the main parties) are voted out just as has happened in France. '"The main thing at stake in this election is the rampant globalisation that is endangering our civilisation," she added, urging French voters to shake off the shackles of an "arrogant elite".

What a shame she is a member of that same "elite", Herbie.  Tsk, tsk.   Time you realised Section 116 of the Australian Constitution would  prevent any government closing any Mosque/Church/Temple/place of worship.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 6:47pm:

What a shame she is a member of that same "elite", Herbie.  Tsk, tsk.   Time you realised Section 116 of the Australian Constitution would  prevent any government closing any Mosque/Church/Temple/place of worship.   ::)

You seem to relish the idea that Islamic jihad cannot be legally stopped in the West because of  religious freedom.  You seem to like the idea that religiously motivated murder cannot be stopped because of religious freedom.

You are contemptible, Brian.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 6:45pm:

Section 116 would prevent that, Soren.  You really don't understand Australian Constitutional law and precedence do you?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

It only takes a referendum to amend the Constitution ~ a simple enough matter.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 6:45pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 6:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:45pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:53pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:48pm: Brian - if you're so bored then get off this thread. You're not welcome. Tough.  Run along, Bobby.  Read up about Section 116 yet?   ::) If Marine wins we'll have to change our laws. Why, Bobby?  We are not beholden to France in anyway, shape or form.   Tsk, tsk.    ::) Many of our ideas and values come from France, Doctor Du Culs. Really?  Prove it, Soren.  I'd be interested to see what you have to type about it.  I am unaware of any "ideas and values" that come directly from France...    ::)

Well, you are unaware, full stop, Doctor of Arse Divining.  You are the wanker (Rousseau) of Ozpolitic yet you are 'unaware'.  Unaware is your resting bitch face position, little queenie aunt. Unaware and ignorant and forgetting is what you ARE. Thick, unaware, forgetting.
Stupid, thick, unaware, forgetting
Tendentious, stupid, thick, unaware, forgetting, bedwetting.
And so on it goes.
You are a laughing stock, Brian, you are a caricature of the idiotic, tendentious, stupid, thick, unaware, forgetting, bedwetting, virtue signalling wanker.

You cannot possibly be real - yet YOU ARE!!!!!! And we are all laughing!! i

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:53pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:48pm: Brian - if you're so bored then get off this thread. You're not welcome. Tough.  Run along, Bobby.  Read up about Section 116 yet?   ::) If Marine wins we'll have to change our laws. Why, Bobby?  We are not beholden to France in anyway, shape or form.   Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Australia never leads - it follows.

Political pragmatism will force the Australian politicians to give the people what they want.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 6:45pm:

Section 116 would prevent that, Soren.  You really don't understand Australian Constitutional law and precedence do you?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

It does not, Doctor of Arse Gazing :

COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT - SECT 116

Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion
                   The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/coaca430/s116.html

Absolutely NOTHING about keeping OUT toxic ideology, religious or otherwise.



You are a cheap and stupid online vanity 'doctor of divinity'. No wonder. Cheap and stupid says it all.

And you boasted about it, you silly, stupid arse. You are a caricature, Brian.

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 8:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 6:47pm: What a shame she is a member of that same "elite", Herbie.  Tsk, tsk.   Time you realised Section 116 of the Australian Constitution would  prevent any government closing any Mosque/Church/Temple/place of worship.   ::) You seem to relish the idea that Islamic jihad cannot be legally stopped in the West because of  religious freedom.  You seem to like the idea that religiously motivated murder cannot be stopped because of religious freedom. You are contemptible, Brian.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren, "Jihad" can be stopped by the government applying the existing laws it has passed already.   Religious persecution (ie "closing all the Mosques") cannot in Australia because of Section 116 of the Australian Constitution.   There is a difference, one you appear to want to cloud because you do want to persecute everyday, well adjusted, assimilated, Australian Muslims.   Tsk, tsk, you really are a petty tyrant, aren't you?    ::)

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 9:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 6:45pm: Section 116 would prevent that, Soren.  You really don't understand Australian Constitutional law and precedence do you?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) It does not, Doctor of Arse Gazing : COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT - SECT 116 Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion                    The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth. http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/coaca430/s116.html Absolutely NOTHING about keeping OUT toxic ideology, religious or otherwise.

"Closing all the Mosques" would prohibit the free exercise of a religion.   "Closing all the Mosques" would be the Australian Government, imposing a religious observance.   Tsk, tsk, English really is your second language, isn't it, Soren?     ::)


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You are a cheap and stupid online vanity 'doctor of divinity'. No wonder. Cheap and stupid says it all. And you boasted about it, you silly, stupid arse. You are a caricature, Brian.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Resorting to ad hominem debate again, Soren?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

You do not need a mosque to be a Muslim.  The Commonwealth can shut down mosques as places of insurgency and hostility.   Islam cannot hide behind 'religion' when it is a political force.

The constitution was not framed with Islam in mind, but with Christian religious divisions in mind. In Christianity, state and church are separate, and that is what 116 addresses.

In Islam, state and religion are not separate so it cannot be taken for granted that 116 applies to a totalitarian creed like Islam.


You stupid old hag.

Quote:

In Islam, state and religion are not separate....

Clarify please.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 8:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:45pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:53pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:48pm: Brian - if you're so bored then get off this thread. You're not welcome. Tough.  Run along, Bobby.  Read up about Section 116 yet?   ::) If Marine wins we'll have to change our laws. Why, Bobby?  We are not beholden to France in anyway, shape or form.   Tsk, tsk.    ::) Australia never leads - it follows. Political pragmatism will force the Australian politicians to give the people what they want.

Won't get past a High Court challenge, Bobby.  Section 116 will prevent the closure of the Mosques.   The Commonwealth cannot impose religious observance on anybody.  Tsk, tsk.  The Churches, the Synagogues, the Temples and the Mosques will all preach against this from the pulpit.  It is doomed.  Just as the Communist Party Dissolution Bill was in 1949.    ::)

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 8:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 6:45pm: Frank wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 6:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:45pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:53pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:48pm: Brian - if you're so bored then get off this thread. You're not welcome. Tough.  Run along, Bobby.  Read up about Section 116 yet?   ::) If Marine wins we'll have to change our laws. Why, Bobby?  We are not beholden to France in anyway, shape or form.   Tsk, tsk.    ::) Many of our ideas and values come from France, Doctor Du Culs. Really?  Prove it, Soren.  I'd be interested to see what you have to type about it.  I am unaware of any "ideas and values" that come directly from France...    ::) Well, you are unaware, full stop, Doctor of Arse Divining.  You are the wanker (Rousseau) of Ozpolitic yet you are 'unaware'.  Unaware is your resting bitch face position, little queenie aunt. Unaware and ignorant and forgetting is what you ARE. Thick, unaware, forgetting. Stupid, thick, unaware, forgetting Tendentious, stupid, thick, unaware, forgetting, bedwetting. And so on it goes. You are a laughing stock, Brian, you are a caricature of the idiotic, tendentious, stupid, thick, unaware, forgetting, bedwetting, virtue signalling wanker. You cannot possibly be real - yet YOU ARE!!!!!! And we are all laughing!!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Soren.  I'll take that as an admission that you cannot answer my question.  Tsk, tsk, just using ad hominem debate to cover your own ignorance.   ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:03pm:

You do not need a mosque to be a Muslim.  The Commonwealth can shut down mosques as places of insurgency and hostility.   Islam cannot hide behind 'religion' when it is a political force. The constitution was not framed with Islam in mind, but with Christian religious divisions in mind. In Christianity, state and church are separate, and that is what 116 addresses. In Islam, state and religion are not separate so it cannot be taken for granted that 116 applies to a totalitarian creed like Islam. You stupid old hag.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, that is not mentioned in the Australian Constitution.  The word "religion" is used, not prefaced or suffixed by any denomination or faith, just "religion" and Islam is, despite what you and the other Islamophobes like to claim recognised as a religion.  Tsk, tsk, your plan for petty tyranny, thwarted by our founding fathers, hey, Soren?   How inconsiderate of them 116 years ago to adopt a Constitution that was so far sighted it stop you in your tracks.   :)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 8:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:45pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:53pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:48pm: Brian - if you're so bored then get off this thread. You're not welcome. Tough.  Run along, Bobby.  Read up about Section 116 yet?   ::) If Marine wins we'll have to change our laws. Why, Bobby?  We are not beholden to France in anyway, shape or form.   Tsk, tsk.    ::) Australia never leads - it follows. Political pragmatism will force the Australian politicians to give the people what they want. Won't get past a High Court challenge, Bobby.  Section 116 will prevent the closure of the Mosques.   The Commonwealth cannot impose religious observance on anybody.  Tsk, tsk.  The Churches, the Synagogues, the Temples and the Mosques will all preach against this from the pulpit.  It is doomed.  Just as the Communist Party Dissolution Bill was in 1949.    ::)

But you are forgetting war powers!

It's a war on terrorism.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:09pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 8:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:45pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:53pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:48pm: Brian - if you're so bored then get off this thread. You're not welcome. Tough.  Run along, Bobby.  Read up about Section 116 yet?   ::) If Marine wins we'll have to change our laws. Why, Bobby?  We are not beholden to France in anyway, shape or form.   Tsk, tsk.    ::) Australia never leads - it follows. Political pragmatism will force the Australian politicians to give the people what they want. Won't get past a High Court challenge, Bobby.  Section 116 will prevent the closure of the Mosques.   The Commonwealth cannot impose religious observance on anybody.  Tsk, tsk.  The Churches, the Synagogues, the Temples and the Mosques will all preach against this from the pulpit.  It is doomed.  Just as the Communist Party Dissolution Bill was in 1949.    ::) But you are forgetting war powers! It's a war on terrorism.

"War powers" don't allow suspension of the Australian Constitution.  Indeed, I can't find any record of any "war powers" under the Australian Constitution in the way you're using the term, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk.    ::).

Aussie wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:06pm:

Quote: In Islam, state and religion are not separate.... Clarify please.

Muhammad wrote the state into the religion. Or the religion into the state, whichever way you want to look at it. Much of the Koran is about the state - in particular motivating Muslims to kill and die for it.

As a result, Muslims like Gandalf will use "the interests of the nascent Islamic State" to justify all manner of atrocities in the name of Islam, such as Muhammad's genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Jewish tribes of Medina.

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2017 at 5:01am:

Muslims like Gandalf will use "the interests of the nascent Islamic State" to justify all manner of atrocities in the name of Islam, such as Muhammad's genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Jewish tribes of Medina.

That would be difficult since I don't even believe the "genocide" happened (as much as the execution of a few hundred warriors can be called a 'genocide').

In any case, I have made clear that I believe such "issues of state" very separate to the religion of Islam. So yeah, basically the exact opposite of what you claim.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 25^th, 2017 at 12:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:09pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 8:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:45pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:53pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 4:48pm: Brian - if you're so bored then get off this thread. You're not welcome. Tough.  Run along, Bobby.  Read up about Section 116 yet?   ::) If Marine wins we'll have to change our laws. Why, Bobby?  We are not beholden to France in anyway, shape or form.   Tsk, tsk.    ::) Australia never leads - it follows. Political pragmatism will force the Australian politicians to give the people what they want. Won't get past a High Court challenge, Bobby.  Section 116 will prevent the closure of the Mosques.   The Commonwealth cannot impose religious observance on anybody.  Tsk, tsk.  The Churches, the Synagogues, the Temples and the Mosques will all preach against this from the pulpit.  It is doomed.  Just as the Communist Party Dissolution Bill was in 1949.    ::) But you are forgetting war powers! It's a war on terrorism. "War powers" don't allow suspension of the Australian Constitution.  Indeed, I can't find any record of any "war powers" under the Australian Constitution in the way you're using the term, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk.    ::).

War powers override all other laws.

You should know that?

( that's why George Bush was able to use war powers to tap peoples phones
& all communication without a warrant.)

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25^th, 2017 at 12:30pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 5:01am: Muslims like Gandalf will use "the interests of the nascent Islamic State" to justify all manner of atrocities in the name of Islam, such as Muhammad's genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Jewish tribes of Medina. That would be difficult since I don't even believe the "genocide" happened (as much as the execution of a few hundred warriors can be called a 'genocide'). In any case, I have made clear that I believe such "issues of state" very separate to the religion of Islam. So yeah, basically the exact opposite of what you claim.

You make it look easy Gandalf. For example:


polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 10:16am:

The actions of Muhammad against the jews was practically necessary to remove serious and real armed threats to the very survival of a fledgling nation.

Let me know if you would like some more examples.

The "fledgling nation" was the city of Medina that Muhammad was seizing control of by slaughtering Jews and by robbing and murdering Meccan traders.

You believed it happened up until you ran out of viable excuses for it, the you switched to genocide denial, which was also based on misrepresentation of the historical evidence.

Gandalf - so do you agree with Marine Le Pen?


Le Pen called for:

the closure of all "Islamist" mosques in France,

the expulsion of hate preachers and

the reinstatement of French borders.

People on the French security services' watch list for radicalization should also be expelled from France and

have their French citizenship revoked, she said.

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2017 at 12:51pm:

You make it look easy Gandalf. For example:

Of course action was taken - I never said it wasn't.

I believe a few of the ringleaders were tried and executed, and the rest were detained for a short time and later freed. This is consistent with the Quranic version.


freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2017 at 12:51pm:

You believed it happened up until you ran out of viable excuses for it, the you switched to genocide denial, which was also based on misrepresentation of the historical evidence.

You know how to find my 4 year old posts on it, therefore you can easily find where I always prefaced any discussion by questioning the historical validity of the incident. Over those 4 years I have become even more convinced it didn't happen. Your claim here that it 'misrepresents' historical evidence is laughable. The "historical evidence" amounts to a single person (Ibn Ishaq) writing over a century after the alleged event, who does not cite his sources and is considered unreliable by his contemporaries.

Quote:

I believe a few of the ringleaders were tried and executed

You previously believed that all the men were executed - up until you could no longer maintain the moral contortionism.


Quote:

and the rest were detained for a short time and later freed

Does the Koran say that?


Quote:

You know how to find my 4 year old posts on it, therefore you can easily find where I always prefaced any discussion by questioning the historical validity of the incident. Over those 4 years I have become even more convinced it didn't happen.

You ran out of excuses. You realised what you were saying to justify the genocide was morally reprehensible. So you switched to a different tactic.


Quote:

Your claim here that it 'misrepresents' historical evidence is laughable.

I claimed that you misrepresented the historical evidence, not "it", whatever that means.


Quote:

The "historical evidence" amounts to a single person (Ibn Ishaq) writing over a century after the alleged event, who does not cite his sources and is considered unreliable by his contemporaries.

Are you sure about that Gandalf? 4 years is a long time to convince yourself that the rest of the evidence does not exist. Have you been practicing?

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 9:48pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 8:33pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 6:47pm: What a shame she is a member of that same "elite", Herbie.  Tsk, tsk.   Time you realised Section 116 of the Australian Constitution would  prevent any government closing any Mosque/Church/Temple/place of worship.   ::) You seem to relish the idea that Islamic jihad cannot be legally stopped in the West because of  religious freedom.  You seem to like the idea that religiously motivated murder cannot be stopped because of religious freedom. You are contemptible, Brian. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif "Jihad" can be stopped by the government applying the existing laws it has passed already.

So why hasn't jihad stopped then??

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2017 at 1:04pm:

Gandalf - so do you agree with Marine Le Pen? Le Pen called for: the closure of all "Islamist" mosques in France, the expulsion of hate preachers and the reinstatement of French borders. People on the French security services' watch list for radicalization should also be expelled from France and have their French citizenship revoked, she said.

You'd think that Gandalf would have an opinion on this -
but no - he runs away.

Aussie wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:06pm:

Quote: In Islam, state and religion are not separate.... Clarify please.

;D

Theocracy rules supreme.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2017 at 1:04pm:

Gandalf - so do you agree with Marine Le Pen? Le Pen called for: the closure of all "Islamist" mosques in France, the expulsion of hate preachers and the reinstatement of French borders. People on the French security services' watch list for radicalization should also be expelled from France and have their French citizenship revoked, she said.

You'd think that Gandalf would have an opinion on this -
but no - he runs away.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 1:04pm: Gandalf - so do you agree with Marine Le Pen? Le Pen called for: the closure of all "Islamist" mosques in France, the expulsion of hate preachers and the reinstatement of French borders. People on the French security services' watch list for radicalization should also be expelled from France and have their French citizenship revoked, she said. You'd think that Gandalf would have an opinion on this - but no - he runs away.

Like all Muzlims in the West, Gandalf has two opinions: one for public consumption and one from the Koran.

issuevoter wrote on Apr 25^th, 2017 at 4:54pm:

Like all Muzlims in the West, Gandalf has two opinions: one for public consumption and one from the Koran.

He's the administrator but he only gets into each way monologues with FD.

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2017 at 2:16pm:

Quote: The "historical evidence" amounts to a single person (Ibn Ishaq) writing over a century after the alleged event, who does not cite his sources and is considered unreliable by his contemporaries. Are you sure about that Gandalf? 4 years is a long time to convince yourself that the rest of the evidence does not exist. Have you been practicing?

Quite sure FD. Can you reference another source for this 'genocide' as you like to call it?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 1:04pm: Gandalf - so do you agree with Marine Le Pen? Le Pen called for: the closure of all "Islamist" mosques in France, the expulsion of hate preachers and the reinstatement of French borders. People on the French security services' watch list for radicalization should also be expelled from France and have their French citizenship revoked, she said. You'd think that Gandalf would have an opinion on this - but no - he runs away.

Gandalf has a life outside this forum.

On the face of it, these seem fairly sensible policies. But of course like all populists, she is light on the details.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 4:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 1:04pm: Gandalf - so do you agree with Marine Le Pen? Le Pen called for: the closure of all "Islamist" mosques in France, the expulsion of hate preachers and the reinstatement of French borders. People on the French security services' watch list for radicalization should also be expelled from France and have their French citizenship revoked, she said. You'd think that Gandalf would have an opinion on this - but no - he runs away. Gandalf has a life outside this forum. On the face of it, these seem fairly sensible policies. But of course like all populists, she is light on the details.

Hi Gandalf - thanks ever so much for replying.

I have a feeling that if Le Pen wins we'll copy her policies here.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 8:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 4:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 1:04pm: Gandalf - so do you agree with Marine Le Pen? Le Pen called for: the closure of all "Islamist" mosques in France, the expulsion of hate preachers and the reinstatement of French borders. People on the French security services' watch list for radicalization should also be expelled from France and have their French citizenship revoked, she said. You'd think that Gandalf would have an opinion on this - but no - he runs away. Gandalf has a life outside this forum. On the face of it, these seem fairly sensible policies. But of course like all populists, she is light on the details. Hi Gandalf - thanks ever so much for replying. I have a feeling that if Le Pen wins we'll copy her policies here.

I wonder if we'll get their hedgehogs.


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Poor, poor, boys and girls.  Not one of you has acknowledged that Section 116 of the Australian Constitution will prevent the Commonwealth Government from doing what you want.  You lot really do live in fantasy land, don't you?  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 9:17pm:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Poor, poor, boys and girls.  Not one of you has acknowledged that Section 116 of the Australian Constitution will prevent the Commonwealth Government from doing what you want.  You lot really do live in fantasy land, don't you?  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

We've been through all that -

I've already told you that war powers can override anything.
We are in a war on terror -
our troops are fighting it overseas & our police agencies are fighting it here.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 7:07am:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 9:17pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Poor, poor, boys and girls.  Not one of you has acknowledged that Section 116 of the Australian Constitution will prevent the Commonwealth Government from doing what you want.  You lot really do live in fantasy land, don't you?  Tsk, tsk.  ::) We've been through all that - I've already told you that war powers can override anything.

Australia does not have a provision for "war powers" in it's Constitution in the way you are using the term, Bobby.   If you have evidence to the contrary, produce it, with a link.  Until them, you're just pissing into the wind, as per normal.    ::)

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We are in a war on terror - our troops are fighting it overseas & our police agencies are fighting it here.

We are not in a "war" on anything, Bobby.   Our Government has not declared war on anybody.  It has chosen to take part in a conflict which even the main protagnonist, the USA has not declared a war on anybody.   The "war on Terror" is purely a publicity event, the same as the "war on drugs" or the "war on poverty" have proven to be.

Now, until you address Section 116, your entire claim is simply the normal sort of bullshit that you put up when your trolling is pressed for evidence.   The Australian Constitution determines the powers of the Australian Government and in Section 116 it declares:


Quote:

The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

[Australian Constitution]

Now, unless you are proposing a Constitutional Referendum to modify/remove Section 116, you are stuffed, Bobby, well and truly.   As we all know, Constitutional Referenda in Australia are very chancy thing.   I somehow doubt that the Churches/Synagogues/Mosques/Temples/etc. are going to preach anything except a "no" vote to your proposal from their pulpits/lecterns.   Your proposal is like the Communist Party Dissolution referendum of 1949 headed for the deep six.    ::)

Brian - that's crap -

we are at war.


Australia is at war overseas on on the home front.

It's a war on terrorism.
People are dying.

Call a spade a spade. Its the Islamic Holy War.

issuevoter wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 4:33pm:

Call a spade a spade. Its the Islamic Holy War.

Brian doesn't know -

he just waves his constitution book around.

War?  OK, produce some evidence to prove that the Australian Government of 2001 declared war on "Terrorism".

I demand a link to Hansard at the very least, Bobby.

I look forward to your obfuscation.  It will be amusing to read.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 4:36pm:

War?  OK, produce some evidence to prove that the Australian Government of 2001 declared war on "Terrorism". I demand a link to Hansard at the very least, Bobby. I look forward to your obfuscation.  It will be amusing to read.    ::)

I don't need to -

we have soldiers fighting in: Afghanistan, Iraq & Syria.
Our F18s are dropping bombs on ISIS.
What more evidence do you need?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 4:36pm: War?  OK, produce some evidence to prove that the Australian Government of 2001 declared war on "Terrorism". I demand a link to Hansard at the very least, Bobby. I look forward to your obfuscation.  It will be amusing to read.    ::) I don't need to - we have soldiers fighting in: Afghanistan, Iraq & Syria. Our F18s are dropping bombs on ISIS. What more evidence do you need?

I have laid down the parameters I am prepared to accept.  I see you are engaging in obfuscation again, Bobby.   How amusing.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 5:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 4:41pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 4:36pm: War?  OK, produce some evidence to prove that the Australian Government of 2001 declared war on "Terrorism". I demand a link to Hansard at the very least, Bobby. I look forward to your obfuscation.  It will be amusing to read.    ::) I don't need to - we have soldiers fighting in: Afghanistan, Iraq & Syria. Our F18s are dropping bombs on ISIS. What more evidence do you need? I have laid down the parameters I am prepared to accept.  I see you are engaging in obfuscation again, Bobby.   How amusing.   ::)

Brian,
We don't have votes in parliament anymore to allow wars to happen.

The PM authorises military forces to go into battle -
& that's it.

you are forgiven

namaste

We are at a cold war with Islamofascists.

Better??

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 6:47pm:

We are at a cold war with Islamofascists. Better??

Brian is waving his constitution book in the street
like a bible basher while
a war goes on all around him.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 5:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 5:09pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 4:41pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 4:36pm: War?  OK, produce some evidence to prove that the Australian Government of 2001 declared war on "Terrorism". I demand a link to Hansard at the very least, Bobby. I look forward to your obfuscation.  It will be amusing to read.    ::) I don't need to - we have soldiers fighting in: Afghanistan, Iraq & Syria. Our F18s are dropping bombs on ISIS. What more evidence do you need? I have laid down the parameters I am prepared to accept.  I see you are engaging in obfuscation again, Bobby.   How amusing.   ::) Brian, We don't have votes in parliament anymore to allow wars to happen. The PM authorises military forces to go into battle - & that's it. you are forgiven namaste

Oh, poor, poor, Bobby.  You really are foolish.  We have NEVER had votes in Parliament to declare war on another country.   Foreign Policy (and by extension, war) lies purely with the Executive Arm of Australian Government.  Parliament has no power over it.  Never has, since Federation in 1901.   We have had one debate on whether we should go to war or not in 2003, against Iraq.  However, the Federal Government could have ignored the outcome of that if it had lost the debate.   It didn't.

The PM however, makes a statement to Parliament, announcing the intentions of the Federal Government to go to war.   Such a statement would appear in the Parliamentary Record ("Hansard" as it is known).   We have had statements on WWI, WWII (thrice, once against the Germans and Italians and once against the Japanese and once various minor Axis allies), once in Korea and Borneo and Vietnam and once against Afghanistan (2001), Iraq (1989) and again in 2003.   We have never had a statement announcing war against "Terrorism".   We have had announcements about "conflicts" we have joined in, against Somalia (1992) and one or two others.

Your efforts at obfuscation are as always amusing, Bobby.  You've shown yourself to be a fool.   Again.    ::) ::)

Poor Booby    ;D


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Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 6:47pm:

We are at a cold war with Islamofascists. Better??

"Islamofacism" is an invented word created by George W. Bush.  It has no bearing outside of what the Right should be calling "Islamism".   Islamism is not fascist in the slightest.  Tsk, tsk,  Soren, are you sure that English isn't your second language?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 7:04pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 6:47pm: We are at a cold war with Islamofascists. Better?? "Islamofacism" is an invented word created by George W. Bush.  It has no bearing outside of what the Right should be calling "Islamism".   Islamism is not fascist in the slightest.  Tsk, tsk,  Soren, are you sure that English isn't your second language?   ::)

If there is Islamophobia then there is Islamofascism.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 6:50pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 6:47pm: We are at a cold war with Islamofascists. Better?? Brian is waving his constitution book in the street like a bible basher

bobby,

Can you stop disparaging us bible bashers,        by 'associating' us with someone like Brian Ross please!

Thank you.

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 8:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 7:04pm: Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 6:47pm: We are at a cold war with Islamofascists. Better?? "Islamofacism" is an invented word created by George W. Bush.  It has no bearing outside of what the Right should be calling "Islamism".   Islamism is not fascist in the slightest.  Tsk, tsk,  Soren, are you sure that English isn't your second language?   ::) If there is Islamophobia then there is Islamofascism.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Here you are complaining one moment about "Islamophobia" and the next embracing it, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, you really are mobile, aren't you in your views?    ::)

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 6:50pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 6:47pm: We are at a cold war with Islamofascists. Better?? Brian is waving his constitution book in the street like a bible basher while a war goes on all around him.

Still obfuscating and now you've upset, Yadda.  Tsk, tsk, Bobby you've not presented any evidence that a state of war exists against "Terrorism".  Such a silly sausage...   ::) ::)

Yadda wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 8:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 6:50pm: Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 6:47pm: We are at a cold war with Islamofascists. Better?? Brian is waving his constitution book in the street like a bible basher bobby, Can you stop disparaging us bible bashers,        by 'associating' us with someone like Brian Ross please! Thank you.

Oh, I agree, Yadda, I agree.   I find it amusing that Bobby is desperately trying to avoid admitting that he is wrong.   The Australian Constitution is the ultimate law of the land.  It sets out the powers of the Australian Federal and State Governments and determines what the Commonwealth can and cannot do.   Section 116 states:


Quote:

The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

Therefore, it cannot close all the Mosques, it cannot forbid people from worshipping their god, including you, Yadda, how they wish.    He is creating this smokescreen to try and hide his ignorance behind.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Quote:

Still obfuscating and now you've upset, Yadda.....

Google;
"war on terror" bush, howard, blair

Yadda wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 8:52pm:

Quote: Still obfuscating and now you've upset, Yadda..... Google; "war on terror" bush, howard, blair

Here is one result:

https://theaimn.com/bush-blair-howard-three-reckless-adventurers-iraq-part-15/


Bush, Blair and Howard – Three reckless adventurers in Iraq (Part 15)

Yadda wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 8:52pm:

Quote: Still obfuscating and now you've upset, Yadda..... Google; "war on terror" bush, howard, blair

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  No statement to Australian Parliament indicating that Prime Minister Howard's government was declaring war on Terrorism, Yadda.  Tsk, tsk.  When I see a link to Hansard where John Winston Howard or his Foreign Minister, Alexander Downer claimed that Australia had declared war on Terrorism, I'll admit I'm wrong.   ::)

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 8:52pm: Quote: Still obfuscating and now you've upset, Yadda..... Google; "war on terror" bush, howard, blair Here is one result: https://theaimn.com/bush-blair-howard-three-reckless-adventurers-iraq-part-15/ Bush, Blair and Howard – Three reckless adventurers in Iraq (Part 15)

Doesn't link to Hansard, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, still obfuscating?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 11:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 10:25pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 8:52pm: Quote: Still obfuscating and now you've upset, Yadda..... Google; "war on terror" bush, howard, blair Here is one result: https://theaimn.com/bush-blair-howard-three-reckless-adventurers-iraq-part-15/ Bush, Blair and Howard – Three reckless adventurers in Iraq (Part 15) Doesn't link to Hansard, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, still obfuscating?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.    ::)

It's mentioned here about 2 pages down:


Hansard:

http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Hansard/Hansard_Display?bid=committees/estimate/5aaa82de-6f88-490f-b561-46c3a11d50bb/&sid=0013



Quote:

Senator XENOPHON: The allegation. Can you confirm whether any ASIS assets were diverted from ASIS's role in terms of the war against terror, particularly Jamia Islamia, in Indonesia—

Mentioned here:

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiC5abB5MnTAhVCipQKHfoZCncQFggiMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aph.gov.au%2Fparliamentary_business%2Fcommittees%2Fhouse_of_representatives_committees%3Furl%3Djfadt%2Fterrorism%2Freport%2Fchapter2.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHWR3poZCvyEdWk37hDKY4zViZ7Gg&sig2=0tZAoTfDnb_T0zo1SObhqQ


Quote:

On 17 October 2001 the Prime Minister announced the detail of Australia’s military contribution to the International Coalition Against Terrorism, indicating that the following forces were available for deployment:

Hansard

http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Hansard/Hansard_Display?bid=chamber/hansardr/4a3ea2e7-05f5-4423-88aa-f33e93256485/&sid=0042


Quote:

And now this foreign fighters bill constitutes an important Australian domestic subset of our nation's support to, and for, the ongoing international global war on terror. As leaders, this challenge is a true test of our collective generational mettle.

Brian - I will accept your apology.

Make it humble & grovelling.

The first is a report from a Senate Committee, it is not Parliament.  The second is a mention of a "coalition", it is not a part of the Australian Parliament, Bobby.   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.  Still obfuscating.   You are getting desperate, aren't you, Bobby.  Why not look here?   You might have more luck looking in the place you're supposed to, Bobby...   ::)

Apology?

I quoted from Hansard.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 11:47pm:

Apology? I quoted from Hansard.

You quoted from a report from a Senate Committee, Bobby.  Not quite the Hansard as understood by most people.   You are aware of the non-standing that Senate Committees have under the Australian Constitution (look for a mention of them.  You might be surprised to learn the aren't mentioned, at all)?   I want a link to the Parliametary Reporting for the House of Representatives for the Commonwealth.   I've provided a link to where you should be looking...   ::)

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 6:50pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 6:47pm: We are at a cold war with Islamofascists. Better?? Brian is waving his constitution book in the street like a bible basher while a war goes on all around him.

A war, eh?

That must be why Gordon uncovers shootings by Assyrian Christians and the old boy cites bombings by Coptic Christian Turks and FD reveals underage marriage epidemics of defacto Aborigines.

The loudest crowd in my Muslim ghetto are the Itai Catholic boys next door with their barbecue smoke and pork sausages stinking out my house.

Ban them.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 12:29am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 11:47pm: Apology? I quoted from Hansard. You quoted from a report from a Senate Committee, Bobby.  Not quite the Hansard as understood by most people.   You are aware of the non-standing that Senate Committees have under the Australian Constitution (look for a mention of them.  You might be surprised to learn the aren't mentioned, at all)?   I want a link to the Parliametary Reporting for the House of Representatives for the Commonwealth.   I've provided a link to where you should be looking...   ::)

Some of the links have the word "Hansard" in them.

Apologise for wasting my time.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 11:46pm:

The first is a report from a Senate Committee, it is not Parliament.  The second is a mention of a "coalition", it is not a part of the Australian Parliament, Bobby.   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.  Still obfuscating.   You are getting desperate, aren't you, Bobby.  Why not look here?   You might have more luck looking in the place you're supposed to, Bobby...   ::)

It is parliamentary business, po-faced old fool.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 8:31am:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 12:29am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 11:47pm: Apology? I quoted from Hansard. You quoted from a report from a Senate Committee, Bobby.  Not quite the Hansard as understood by most people.   You are aware of the non-standing that Senate Committees have under the Australian Constitution (look for a mention of them.  You might be surprised to learn the aren't mentioned, at all)?   I want a link to the Parliametary Reporting for the House of Representatives for the Commonwealth.   I've provided a link to where you should be looking...   ::) Some of the links have the word "Hansard" in them. Apologise for wasting my time.

Obfuscater...    ::)

Frank wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 10:25am:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 11:46pm: The first is a report from a Senate Committee, it is not Parliament.  The second is a mention of a "coalition", it is not a part of the Australian Parliament, Bobby.   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.  Still obfuscating.   You are getting desperate, aren't you, Bobby.  Why not look here?   You might have more luck looking in the place you're supposed to, Bobby...   ::) It is parliamentary business, po-faced old fool.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Co-Obfuscater    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 10:58am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 8:31am: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 12:29am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 11:47pm: Apology? I quoted from Hansard. You quoted from a report from a Senate Committee, Bobby.  Not quite the Hansard as understood by most people.   You are aware of the non-standing that Senate Committees have under the Australian Constitution (look for a mention of them.  You might be surprised to learn the aren't mentioned, at all)?   I want a link to the Parliametary Reporting for the House of Representatives for the Commonwealth.   I've provided a link to where you should be looking...   ::) Some of the links have the word "Hansard" in them. Apologise for wasting my time. Obfuscater...    ::)

Apologise

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 11:46pm:

The first is a report from a Senate Committee, it is not Parliament.  The second is a mention of a "coalition", it is not a part of the Australian Parliament, Bobby.   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.  Still obfuscating.   You are getting desperate, aren't you, Bobby.  Why not look here?   You might have more luck looking in the place you're supposed to, Bobby...   ::)

Obfuscating and just plain lying eh bwian...

Quote:

The Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia, variously referred to as the Australian Parliament, the Commonwealth Parliament or the Federal Parliament, is the legislative branch of the government of Australia. It consists of three elements: the Queen of Australia, the Senate and the House of Representatives.

I think we all understand what was being said....  well except YOU perhaps eh. ;D

By all means, lets stop obfuscation. Its not terrorism, its Islamic Holy war. At least that's what they call it.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:03am:

Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 10:25am: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 11:46pm: The first is a report from a Senate Committee, it is not Parliament.  The second is a mention of a "coalition", it is not a part of the Australian Parliament, Bobby.   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.  Still obfuscating.   You are getting desperate, aren't you, Bobby.  Why not look here?   You might have more luck looking in the place you're supposed to, Bobby...   ::) It is parliamentary business, po-faced old fool. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Co-Obfuscater    ::)

WHat??? WHo is obfiscating - you ARE a po-faced old fool.

I didn't make you stupid, Brian, it's all your on efforts.

We are engaged in a crusade against Islam and darkness generally. It's a peaceful, a spiritual crusade, a struggle of ideas. Like jihad is a peaceful, spiritual struggle.

We peacefully drop a MOAB on them as crusaders, they engage in peaceful spiritual struggle by driving trucks into crowds. They don't like us, we don't like them.

It's all peaceful and spiritual. Like jihad. We are all jihadis now.

Peace.

Frank wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 7:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 11:03am: Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 10:25am: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 11:46pm: The first is a report from a Senate Committee, it is not Parliament.  The second is a mention of a "coalition", it is not a part of the Australian Parliament, Bobby.   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.  Still obfuscating.   You are getting desperate, aren't you, Bobby.  Why not look here?   You might have more luck looking in the place you're supposed to, Bobby...   ::) It is parliamentary business, po-faced old fool. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Co-Obfuscater    ::) WHat??? WHo is obfiscating - you ARE a po-faced old fool. I didn't make you stupid, Brian, it's all your on efforts.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Are you sure that English isn't your second language, Soren?  'cause I can't find the word "obfiscating" in my Macquarie...    ::)

Frank wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 7:25pm:

We are engaged in a crusade against Islam and darkness generally. It's a peaceful, a spiritual crusade, a struggle of ideas. Like jihad is a peaceful, spiritual struggle. We peacefully drop a MOAB on them as crusaders, they engage in peaceful spiritual struggle by driving trucks into crowds. They don't like us, we don't like them. It's all peaceful and spiritual. Like jihad. We are all jihadis now. Peace.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Move along folks, move along, it's just Soren with his tired old Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 12:09am:

Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 7:25pm: We are engaged in a crusade against Islam and darkness generally. It's a peaceful, a spiritual crusade, a struggle of ideas. Like jihad is a peaceful, spiritual struggle. We peacefully drop a MOAB on them as crusaders, they engage in peaceful spiritual struggle by driving trucks into crowds. They don't like us, we don't like them. It's all peaceful and spiritual. Like jihad. We are all jihadis now. Peace. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Move along folks, move along, it's just Soren with his tired old Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Always absolutely never ever - on stilts.

Brian Ross wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 12:07am:

Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 11:03am: Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 10:25am: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 11:46pm: The first is a report from a Senate Committee, it is not Parliament.  The second is a mention of a "coalition", it is not a part of the Australian Parliament, Bobby.   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.  Still obfuscating.   You are getting desperate, aren't you, Bobby.  Why not look here?   You might have more luck looking in the place you're supposed to, Bobby...   ::) It is parliamentary business, po-faced old fool. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Co-Obfuscater    ::) WHat??? WHo is obfiscating - you ARE a po-faced old fool. I didn't make you stupid, Brian, it's all your on efforts. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Are you sure that English isn't your second language, Soren?  'cause I can't find the word "obfiscating" in my Macquarie...    ::)

Typo, stupid old nazi clown. On the keyboard u and i are next to each other.

In reality we couldn't be further apart.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 7:04pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 6:47pm: We are at a cold war with Islamofascists. Better?? "Islamofacism" is an invented word created by George W. Bush.  It has no bearing outside of what the Right should be calling "Islamism".   Islamism is not fascist in the slightest.  Tsk, tsk,  Soren, are you sure that English isn't your second language?   ::)

Good point. The head hacking isn't Islamofascim. It is Islam.

freediver wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 7:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 7:04pm: Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 6:47pm: We are at a cold war with Islamofascists. Better?? "Islamofacism" is an invented word created by George W. Bush.  It has no bearing outside of what the Right should be calling "Islamism".   Islamism is not fascist in the slightest.  Tsk, tsk,  Soren, are you sure that English isn't your second language?   ::) Good point. The head hacking isn't Islamofascim. It is Islam.

The question is:

what percentage of Muslims are head hacking maniacs?

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 6:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 12:07am: Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 11:03am: Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 10:25am: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 11:46pm: The first is a report from a Senate Committee, it is not Parliament.  The second is a mention of a "coalition", it is not a part of the Australian Parliament, Bobby.   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.  Still obfuscating.   You are getting desperate, aren't you, Bobby.  Why not look here?   You might have more luck looking in the place you're supposed to, Bobby...   ::) It is parliamentary business, po-faced old fool. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Co-Obfuscater    ::) WHat??? WHo is obfiscating - you ARE a po-faced old fool. I didn't make you stupid, Brian, it's all your on efforts. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Are you sure that English isn't your second language, Soren?  'cause I can't find the word "obfiscating" in my Macquarie...    ::) Typo, stupid old nazi clown. On the keyboard u and i are next to each other. In reality we couldn't be further apart.

Poor, poor, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, he can't type now.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I feel so sorry for you, Soren.  I really do.  Don't use a spellchecker?  Don't check your messages to see if anything is misspelt before you post them?   All too hard, I suppose, in the heat of the moment, hey?   ::)

freediver wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 7:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 7:04pm: Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 6:47pm: We are at a cold war with Islamofascists. Better?? "Islamofacism" is an invented word created by George W. Bush.  It has no bearing outside of what the Right should be calling "Islamism".   Islamism is not fascist in the slightest.  Tsk, tsk,  Soren, are you sure that English isn't your second language?   ::) Good point. The head hacking isn't Islamofascim. It is Islam.

It is one version of Islam, FD, as you are well aware.   Tell me, why don't you ever differentiate between Islamists and Moderates?   Too hard?  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

How do YOU tell one from another bwian?
I can tell you how they do it in Yemen.
Do you even have a clue?
Would you like me to post some photos for you? ;D ;D ;D

Grendel wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 9:07am:

How do YOU tell one from another bwian?

By their actions, Geoff, by their actions.  How do you tell one from the other?  Or do you just lump them all in together like all the Islamophobes?  Mmmm?    ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 1:38pm:

Grendel wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 9:07am: How do YOU tell one from another bwian? By their actions, Geoff, by their actions.  How do you tell one from the other?  Or do you just lump them all in together like all the Islamophobes?  Mmmm?    ::) ::)

oh dear you know I don't lump them all together bwian...  so stop with the lies eh...  libel someone else for a change.
So if we have to wait for their actions bwian you expect us to all die or be maimed before we do anything about them then eh?
Good o....  Here's hoping you will be the last one it happens to then before we have a real solution...  since you actually have none.

Grendel wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 1:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 1:38pm: Grendel wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 9:07am: How do YOU tell one from another bwian? By their actions, Geoff, by their actions.  How do you tell one from the other?  Or do you just lump them all in together like all the Islamophobes?  Mmmm?    ::) ::) oh dear you know I don't lump them all together bwian...  so stop with the lies eh...  libel someone else for a change. So if we have to wait for their actions bwian you expect us to all die or be maimed before we do anything about them then eh? Good o....  Here's hoping you will be the last one it happens to then before we have a real solution...  since you actually have none.

Actually, I am hoping that we check on their beliefs and their actions before they hurt anybody, Geoff.    That doesn't mean they need to be persecuted, just that they need to be checked occasionally to make sure they aren't mixing with the wrong sorts of preachers, the wrong sorts of recruiters, the wrong web sites, and so on.   You could be one of their examiners, if you like.  It'd mean you'd need to meet Muslims and talk to them as human beings (under supervision of course ;) ).    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 11:05pm:

freediver wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 7:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 7:04pm: Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 6:47pm: We are at a cold war with Islamofascists. Better?? "Islamofacism" is an invented word created by George W. Bush.  It has no bearing outside of what the Right should be calling "Islamism".   Islamism is not fascist in the slightest.  Tsk, tsk,  Soren, are you sure that English isn't your second language?   ::) Good point. The head hacking isn't Islamofascim. It is Islam. It is one version of Islam, FD, as you are well aware.   Tell me, why don't you ever differentiate between Islamists and Moderates?   Too hard?  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Too hard - exactly.

You can never accurately tell the difference between the head hacker and the moderate wife beaters. Islam has cornered the religiously motivated deception market: kitman, taqiyya, straight out lying. Islam has codified deception and elevated it to a religious principle.

And so it is not believed. No surprises there. Nobody speak for Islam so it's all a lie.

There is never any clarity about the basic principles of an Islam. Shifting sands of Araby is what characterises any and all discussion with a Muslim.

"Here I stand; I can do no other. God help me" is not for your Allahu Akhbaring chappie.

Islam - sand through you fingers. Nothing should be believed about it.  It must be judged solely by its effects- disastrous,  calamitious, terrible.

Islam has not one single positive effect on the world today.

God help us all if this religion gets a foothold.

Seems to have more than a foothold in bwian's head :D :D :D

Frank wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 6:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:05pm: freediver wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 7:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 7:04pm: Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 6:47pm: We are at a cold war with Islamofascists. Better?? "Islamofacism" is an invented word created by George W. Bush.  It has no bearing outside of what the Right should be calling "Islamism".   Islamism is not fascist in the slightest.  Tsk, tsk,  Soren, are you sure that English isn't your second language?   ::) Good point. The head hacking isn't Islamofascim. It is Islam. It is one version of Islam, FD, as you are well aware.   Tell me, why don't you ever differentiate between Islamists and Moderates?   Too hard?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) Too hard - exactly. You can never accurately tell the difference between the head hacker and the moderate wife beaters. Islam has cornered the religiously motivated deception market: kitman, taqiyya, straight out lying. Islam has codified deception and elevated it to a religious principle. And so it is not believed. No surprises there. Nobody speak for Islam so it's all a lie. There is never any clarity about the basic principles of an Islam. Shifting sands of Araby is what characterises any and all discussion with a Muslim. "Here I stand; I can do no other. God help me" is not for your Allahu Akhbaring chappie. Islam - sand through you fingers. Nothing should be believed about it.  It must be judged solely by its effects- disastrous,  calamitious, terrible. Islam has not one single positive effect on the world today.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Soren.  Move along folks, more along.  Nothing new to see here, just Soren's tired old Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

Johnnie wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 7:01pm:

God help us all if this religion gets a foothold.

we will decisively win the next crusade and that will be the finish of Islam.

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 5:34pm:

Grendel wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 1:55pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 1:38pm: Grendel wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 9:07am: How do YOU tell one from another bwian? By their actions, Geoff, by their actions.  How do you tell one from the other?  Or do you just lump them all in together like all the Islamophobes?  Mmmm?    ::) ::) oh dear you know I don't lump them all together bwian...  so stop with the lies eh...  libel someone else for a change. So if we have to wait for their actions bwian you expect us to all die or be maimed before we do anything about them then eh? Good o....  Here's hoping you will be the last one it happens to then before we have a real solution...  since you actually have none. Actually, I am hoping that we check on their beliefs and their actions before they hurt anybody, Geoff.    That doesn't mean they need to be persecuted, just that they need to be checked occasionally to make sure they aren't mixing with the wrong sorts of preachers, the wrong sorts of recruiters, the wrong web sites, and so on.   You could be one of their examiners, if you like.  It'd mean you'd need to meet Muslims and talk to them as human beings (under supervision of course ;) ).    ::)

What would you talk about?


A short stilted conversation about the weather all the while desperately trying to find an exit before the prolonged uncomfortable silence kicked in.  ;D ;D


Maybe point out they are cretins and their beliefs are based on nothing but childish delusions like every other religion. That should bring it to an end tuit suite.


What makes a great enemy, is having absolutely nothing in common and no reason to get together on a regular basis, and the fact they are religious loons would add to the conflict.

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 5:34pm:

Grendel wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 1:55pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 1:38pm: Grendel wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 9:07am: How do YOU tell one from another bwian? By their actions, Geoff, by their actions.  How do you tell one from the other?  Or do you just lump them all in together like all the Islamophobes?  Mmmm?    ::) ::) oh dear you know I don't lump them all together bwian...  so stop with the lies eh...  libel someone else for a change. So if we have to wait for their actions bwian you expect us to all die or be maimed before we do anything about them then eh? Good o....  Here's hoping you will be the last one it happens to then before we have a real solution...  since you actually have none. Actually, I am hoping that we check on their beliefs and their actions before they hurt anybody, Geoff.    That doesn't mean they need to be persecuted, just that they need to be checked occasionally to make sure they aren't mixing with the wrong sorts of preachers, the wrong sorts of recruiters, the wrong web sites, and so on.   You could be one of their examiners, if you like.  It'd mean you'd need to meet Muslims and talk to them as human beings (under supervision of course ;) ).    ::)

Really bwian? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Do stop the flaming and crap for one post every now and again.  I have good Muslim friends and as I have posted many times over the years bwian the west have had many Muslim heroes...
You already made 1 pathetic apology bwian...  you lack the courage and honesty it seems to keep to your word no matter how weak it was in the first place...  proving what a lying hypocrite you are time and time again bwian.
Your idea btw is stupid.  You yourself said you cannot tell if they are terrorists until they act.  So now you expect our free society to become a form of 1984 and DISCRIMINATE against Muslims and interfere in their lives on a daily basis to monitor their every action, and thought....  gee, you've been radicalised bwian ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Easier just to not let them in in the first place and deport those we can who refuse to fit in and threaten innocent people.

Johnnie wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 7:01pm:

God help us all if this religion gets a foothold.

God help us?

;D

BigOl64 wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 3:03am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 5:34pm: Grendel wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 1:55pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 1:38pm: Grendel wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 9:07am: How do YOU tell one from another bwian? By their actions, Geoff, by their actions.  How do you tell one from the other?  Or do you just lump them all in together like all the Islamophobes?  Mmmm?    ::) ::) oh dear you know I don't lump them all together bwian...  so stop with the lies eh...  libel someone else for a change. So if we have to wait for their actions bwian you expect us to all die or be maimed before we do anything about them then eh? Good o....  Here's hoping you will be the last one it happens to then before we have a real solution...  since you actually have none. Actually, I am hoping that we check on their beliefs and their actions before they hurt anybody, Geoff.    That doesn't mean they need to be persecuted, just that they need to be checked occasionally to make sure they aren't mixing with the wrong sorts of preachers, the wrong sorts of recruiters, the wrong web sites, and so on.   You could be one of their examiners, if you like.  It'd mean you'd need to meet Muslims and talk to them as human beings (under supervision of course ;) ).    ::) What would you talk about? A short stilted conversation about the weather all the while desperately trying to find an exit before the prolonged uncomfortable silence kicked in.  ;D ;D Maybe point out they are cretins and their beliefs are based on nothing but childish delusions like every other religion. That should bring it to an end tuit suite. What makes a great enemy, is having absolutely nothing in common and no reason to get together on a regular basis, and the fact they are religious loons would add to the conflict.

Oh, poor, poor, BigOl64.  I wonder, when was the last time you went into a Christian Church or a Jewish Synagogue and asked them difficult questions about their belief system?  What about the actions of their fellow religionists?   How about what the Israelis have done in Israel to peaceful Palestinians?   Tsk, tsk, when you give us a report back on how you've been welcomed with open arms and your pointed criticisms have been acted on, I might be prepared to listen to you a bit more fully.  Until then, I'll just put this down as Islamopobia, OK?   ::)

Grendel wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 9:47am:

Really bwian? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) Do stop the flaming and crap for one post every now and again.  I have good Muslim friends and as I have posted many times over the years bwian the west have had many Muslim heroes...

Gee, really?  Care to name a few for us, Geoff?  I'd be interested to see what you come up with...    ::)


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You already made 1 pathetic apology bwian...  you lack the courage and honesty it seems to keep to your word no matter how weak it was in the first place...  proving what a lying hypocrite you are time and time again bwian.

Oh, dear, why then the need to misquote me in your signature all the time, Geoff?  Didn't you like the apology you received?   You only provided one post from 10 years ago.  So, what you been saying in the meantime?  Mmm?  Not much supporting Muslims from my recollections.  A great deal criticising them and lumping moderates with extremists.   Funny that, hey?  Islamophobe.


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Your idea btw is stupid.  You yourself said you cannot tell if they are terrorists until they act.

That confirms if they are Terrorists, Geoff.  However, before that, they are quite willing to express their views on what they believe is right or wrong, now don't they?   You,  by your own admission belief they should all be treated the same, all lumped together.  Funny how you were silent during "the Troubles" in Ireland and the Balkan Wars....  Funny that.   ::)


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So now you expect our free society to become a form of 1984 and DISCRIMINATE against Muslims and interfere in their lives on a daily basis to monitor their every action, and thought....  gee, you've been radicalised bwian ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Easier just to not let them in in the first place and deport those we can who refuse to fit in and threaten innocent people.

Ah, yet again we see Geoff's wonderful strawman erection skills at work.  Problem is, I specifically said, "no persecution".   Persecution is how 1984 functions.  Tsk, tsk.   Shot down again it seems.   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 4:10pm:

Oh, poor, poor, BigOl64.  I wonder, when was the last time you went into a Christian Church or a Jewish Synagogue and asked them difficult questions about their belief system?  What about the actions of their fellow religionists?   How about what the Israelis have done in Israel to peaceful Palestinians?   Tsk, tsk, when you give us a report back on how you've been welcomed with open arms and your pointed criticisms have been acted on, I might be prepared to listen to you a bit more fully.  Until then, I'll just put this down as Islamopobia, OK?   ::)

Er... they appoint peaceful Palestinians to the Israeli Supreme Court, they elect them to Parliament, they become high ranking soldiers in the IDF, etc.

In a word, thrive- peaceful Palestinians thrive in Israel.

How many Jewish parliamentarians are in Arab countries? generals, judges?? None. There are hardly any Jews and Christians left in Arab countries.   Muslim Judeophobia and Christianophobia and 'Wrong Muslim phobia" and the active, widespread, murderous persecution of Jews and Chrisrians and 'apostates' is nothing short of what the worst Nazis stood for.

So, enough of the mindless parroting of Islamophobia. There is no Islamophobia, except perhaps in places like India or Africa. In the West, there is criticism of Islam, Islamic ideas, culture, values. Muslims are not killed in the West for being Muslim - Jews, Christians, apostates, kuffars, on the other hand, ARE being killed and jailed and persecuted in 'Muslim lands'.

Focus on that Brian. That's where the real problems are, that's where blood is spilled.

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 5:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 4:10pm: Oh, poor, poor, BigOl64.  I wonder, when was the last time you went into a Christian Church or a Jewish Synagogue and asked them difficult questions about their belief system?  What about the actions of their fellow religionists?   How about what the Israelis have done in Israel to peaceful Palestinians?   Tsk, tsk, when you give us a report back on how you've been welcomed with open arms and your pointed criticisms have been acted on, I might be prepared to listen to you a bit more fully.  Until then, I'll just put this down as Islamopobia, OK?   ::) Er... they appoint peaceful Palestinians to the Israeli Supreme Court, they elect them to Parliament, they become high ranking soldiers in the IDF, etc. In a word, thrive- peaceful Palestinians thrive in Israel.

Do they?  Funny way of "thriving"...   ::)


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How many Jewish parliamentarians are in Arab countries? generals, judges?? None. There are hardly any Jews and Christians left in Arab countries.   Muslim Judeophobia and Christianophobia and 'Wrong Muslim phobia" and the active, widespread, murderous persecution of Jews and Chrisrians and 'apostates' is nothing short of what the worst Nazis stood for. So, enough of the mindless parroting of Islamophobia. There is no Islamophobia, except perhaps in places like India or Africa. In the West, there is criticism of Islam, Islamic ideas, culture, values. Muslims are not killed in the West for being Muslim - Jews, Christians, apostates, kuffars, on the other hand, ARE being killed and jailed and persecuted in 'Muslim lands'. Focus on that Brian. That's where the real problems are, that's where blood is spilled.

That is over there, Soren.  I'm talking about over here.  When was the last time you went into a Christian Church or a Jewish Synagogue to criticise the religion that owns the building?  Mmm?   Tsk, tsk, never, ever, of course.  Naughty, Soren...   ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 4:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 1:04pm: Gandalf - so do you agree with Marine Le Pen? Le Pen called for: the closure of all "Islamist" mosques in France, the expulsion of hate preachers and the reinstatement of French borders. People on the French security services' watch list for radicalization should also be expelled from France and have their French citizenship revoked, she said. You'd think that Gandalf would have an opinion on this - but no - he runs away. Gandalf has a life outside this forum. On the face of it, these seem fairly sensible policies. But of course like all populists, she is light on the details.

How would you go about identifying which Mosques to close down Gandalf?

FD

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How would you go about identifying which Mosques to close down Gandalf?

Hi FD,
Gandalf will never answer that.

In any case - according to the Polls - Le Pen will lose.

Brian Ross wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 6:39pm:

[ Do they?  Funny way of "thriving"...   ::)

The mussies are a lot better off living with the Israelis than if the Israelis had to live under the mussies; it would make the holocaust look like a Sunday picnic.


The palestinians don't have a lot to complain about, considering they and the rest of the muslim world want to exterminate every single Israeli in the ME.

BigOl64 wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 7:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 6:39pm: [ Do they?  Funny way of "thriving"...   ::) The mussies are a lot better off living with the Israelis than if the Israelis had to live under the mussies; it would make the holocaust look like a Sunday picnic. The palestinians don't have a lot to complain about, considering they and the rest of the muslim world want to exterminate every single Israeli in the ME.

Oh, they just see their lands disappear into the back pockets of the Israeli Jews, BigOl64.  Tell me, would you like to see, say, the Chinese take over most of Australia?   Really?  Tsk, tsk.   In reality the Israeli Arabs are treated as second-class citizens a common complaint amongst the people who are being oppressed by the oppressors in most nations.  Funny that.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 6:39pm:

Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 5:38pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 4:10pm: Oh, poor, poor, BigOl64.  I wonder, when was the last time you went into a Christian Church or a Jewish Synagogue and asked them difficult questions about their belief system?  What about the actions of their fellow religionists?   How about what the Israelis have done in Israel to peaceful Palestinians?   Tsk, tsk, when you give us a report back on how you've been welcomed with open arms and your pointed criticisms have been acted on, I might be prepared to listen to you a bit more fully.  Until then, I'll just put this down as Islamopobia, OK?   ::) Er... they appoint peaceful Palestinians to the Israeli Supreme Court, they elect them to Parliament, they become high ranking soldiers in the IDF, etc. In a word, thrive- peaceful Palestinians thrive in Israel. Do they?  Funny way of "thriving"...   ::) Quote: How many Jewish parliamentarians are in Arab countries? generals, judges?? None. There are hardly any Jews and Christians left in Arab countries.   Muslim Judeophobia and Christianophobia and 'Wrong Muslim phobia" and the active, widespread, murderous persecution of Jews and Chrisrians and 'apostates' is nothing short of what the worst Nazis stood for. So, enough of the mindless parroting of Islamophobia. There is no Islamophobia, except perhaps in places like India or Africa. In the West, there is criticism of Islam, Islamic ideas, culture, values. Muslims are not killed in the West for being Muslim - Jews, Christians, apostates, kuffars, on the other hand, ARE being killed and jailed and persecuted in 'Muslim lands'. Focus on that Brian. That's where the real problems are, that's where blood is spilled. That is over there, Soren.  I'm talking about over here.  When was the last time you went into a Christian Church or a Jewish Synagogue to criticise the religion that owns the building?  Mmm?   Tsk, tsk, never, ever, of course.  Naughty, Soren...   ::)

Over here 15 year old Muslim shoots a Chinese police accountant, Allahu Akhbaring. Muslims riot over cartoons and youtube videos.

Get back to us when 15 year old Chinese shoot Muslim police accountants for Buddhism.

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 10:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 6:39pm: Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 5:38pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 4:10pm: Oh, poor, poor, BigOl64.  I wonder, when was the last time you went into a Christian Church or a Jewish Synagogue and asked them difficult questions about their belief system?  What about the actions of their fellow religionists?   How about what the Israelis have done in Israel to peaceful Palestinians?   Tsk, tsk, when you give us a report back on how you've been welcomed with open arms and your pointed criticisms have been acted on, I might be prepared to listen to you a bit more fully.  Until then, I'll just put this down as Islamopobia, OK?   ::) Er... they appoint peaceful Palestinians to the Israeli Supreme Court, they elect them to Parliament, they become high ranking soldiers in the IDF, etc. In a word, thrive- peaceful Palestinians thrive in Israel. Do they?  Funny way of "thriving"...   ::) Quote: How many Jewish parliamentarians are in Arab countries? generals, judges?? None. There are hardly any Jews and Christians left in Arab countries.   Muslim Judeophobia and Christianophobia and 'Wrong Muslim phobia" and the active, widespread, murderous persecution of Jews and Chrisrians and 'apostates' is nothing short of what the worst Nazis stood for. So, enough of the mindless parroting of Islamophobia. There is no Islamophobia, except perhaps in places like India or Africa. In the West, there is criticism of Islam, Islamic ideas, culture, values. Muslims are not killed in the West for being Muslim - Jews, Christians, apostates, kuffars, on the other hand, ARE being killed and jailed and persecuted in 'Muslim lands'. Focus on that Brian. That's where the real problems are, that's where blood is spilled. That is over there, Soren.  I'm talking about over here.  When was the last time you went into a Christian Church or a Jewish Synagogue to criticise the religion that owns the building?  Mmm?   Tsk, tsk, never, ever, of course.  Naughty, Soren...   ::) Over here 15 year old Muslim shoots a Chinese police accountant, Allahu Akhbaring. Muslims riot over cartoons and youtube videos. Get back to us when 15 year old Chinese shoot Muslim police accountants for Buddhism.

ISLAM is ISLAM.

And every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.       < -------- dictionary definition.


And every moslem, is a moslem.


And there is no point in denying that fact [the last one!].


Time to do do something about those facts Mr Prime Minister.

......THAT IS YOUR JOB, IT IS IN YOUR JOB DESCRIPTION [protect Australia] !

greggerypeccary wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 9:48am:

Johnnie wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 7:01pm: God help us all if this religion gets a foothold. God help us? ;D

He will. There will be a final crusade and Islam will enter the dustbin of history.

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 10:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 6:39pm: Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 5:38pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 4:10pm: Oh, poor, poor, BigOl64.  I wonder, when was the last time you went into a Christian Church or a Jewish Synagogue and asked them difficult questions about their belief system?  What about the actions of their fellow religionists?   How about what the Israelis have done in Israel to peaceful Palestinians?   Tsk, tsk, when you give us a report back on how you've been welcomed with open arms and your pointed criticisms have been acted on, I might be prepared to listen to you a bit more fully.  Until then, I'll just put this down as Islamopobia, OK?   ::) Er... they appoint peaceful Palestinians to the Israeli Supreme Court, they elect them to Parliament, they become high ranking soldiers in the IDF, etc. In a word, thrive- peaceful Palestinians thrive in Israel. Do they?  Funny way of "thriving"...   ::) Quote: How many Jewish parliamentarians are in Arab countries? generals, judges?? None. There are hardly any Jews and Christians left in Arab countries.   Muslim Judeophobia and Christianophobia and 'Wrong Muslim phobia" and the active, widespread, murderous persecution of Jews and Chrisrians and 'apostates' is nothing short of what the worst Nazis stood for. So, enough of the mindless parroting of Islamophobia. There is no Islamophobia, except perhaps in places like India or Africa. In the West, there is criticism of Islam, Islamic ideas, culture, values. Muslims are not killed in the West for being Muslim - Jews, Christians, apostates, kuffars, on the other hand, ARE being killed and jailed and persecuted in 'Muslim lands'. Focus on that Brian. That's where the real problems are, that's where blood is spilled. That is over there, Soren.  I'm talking about over here.  When was the last time you went into a Christian Church or a Jewish Synagogue to criticise the religion that owns the building?  Mmm?   Tsk, tsk, never, ever, of course.  Naughty, Soren...   ::) Over here 15 year old Muslim shoots a Chinese police accountant, Allahu Akhbaring. Muslims riot over cartoons and youtube videos. Get back to us when 15 year old Chinese shoot Muslim police accountants for Buddhism.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  And so, Soren, how many Muslims have come out in support of the murderer of Curtis Cheng again?   You have his co-conspirators, and nothing more.  Rather makes it hollow that you, in your Islamophobia, lump all Muslims together, hey?    ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 9:19pm:

BigOl64 wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 7:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 6:39pm: [ Do they?  Funny way of "thriving"...   ::) The mussies are a lot better off living with the Israelis than if the Israelis had to live under the mussies; it would make the holocaust look like a Sunday picnic. The palestinians don't have a lot to complain about, considering they and the rest of the muslim world want to exterminate every single Israeli in the ME. Oh, they just see their lands disappear into the back pockets of the Israeli Jews, BigOl64.  Tell me, would you like to see, say, the Chinese take over most of Australia?   Really?  Tsk, tsk.   In reality the Israeli Arabs are treated as second-class citizens a common complaint amongst the people who are being oppressed by the oppressors in most nations.  Funny that.    ::)

Do you not agree they get treated vastly better by the Israelis than any Israeli would get treated under muslim occupations, you since it is the policy of most ME Muslim countries to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Muslims are not shy about their intolerance and hatred for the Israelis and pretty much everyone; so they have nothing and I mean nothing to complain about.

If they want better treatment stop behaving in a manner deserving of the poor treatment they are receiving.


Contrary to muslims and their apologists opinions', Israel has a right to exists and a right to security.

BigOl64 wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 11:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 9:19pm: BigOl64 wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 7:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 6:39pm: [ Do they?  Funny way of "thriving"...   ::) The mussies are a lot better off living with the Israelis than if the Israelis had to live under the mussies; it would make the holocaust look like a Sunday picnic. The palestinians don't have a lot to complain about, considering they and the rest of the muslim world want to exterminate every single Israeli in the ME. Oh, they just see their lands disappear into the back pockets of the Israeli Jews, BigOl64.  Tell me, would you like to see, say, the Chinese take over most of Australia?   Really?  Tsk, tsk.   In reality the Israeli Arabs are treated as second-class citizens a common complaint amongst the people who are being oppressed by the oppressors in most nations.  Funny that.    ::) Do you not agree they get treated vastly better by the Israelis than any Israeli would get treated under muslim occupations, you since it is the policy of most ME Muslim countries to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Is it?  Care to name the countries which you claim are saying that?

The Jews have come to be expelled from Muslim countries since 1948, the year that Israel was established.   Until then, they were welcomed and were citizens of the various Arab nations surrounding Israel.   Gee, could it be what the UN did, in establishing the state of Israel without consulting the Arabs?  No, no, of course not.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)


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Muslims are not shy about their intolerance and hatred for the Israelis and pretty much everyone; so they have nothing and I mean nothing to complain about. If they want better treatment stop behaving in a manner deserving of the poor treatment they are receiving.

You really are rather naive, if you believe that, BigOl64.  Most Israeli Jews treat their Arab neighbours as second class citizens.  The Palestinians are non-citizens and have few rights under the Israeli occupation.  The Israelis confiscate their land, destroy their crops, steal their water.   The Israelis build settlements where they like, when they like.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)


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Contrary to muslims and their apologists opinions', Israel has a right to exists and a right to security.

Oh, I agree, wholeheartedly, BigOl64.  There is no turning the clock back.   Most Arabs and most Palestinians agree on that as well.  However, the Israelis reject the Palestinians' claims on believing the right of Israel to exist.  Why?  Because it would then mean that Palestine had a right to exist as well and as we know, the Israeli Government desires Eretz Israel - Greater Israel, which is where the Palestinians live.    ::)

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 7:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 4:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 1:04pm: Gandalf - so do you agree with Marine Le Pen? Le Pen called for: the closure of all "Islamist" mosques in France, the expulsion of hate preachers and the reinstatement of French borders. People on the French security services' watch list for radicalization should also be expelled from France and have their French citizenship revoked, she said. You'd think that Gandalf would have an opinion on this - but no - he runs away. Gandalf has a life outside this forum. On the face of it, these seem fairly sensible policies. But of course like all populists, she is light on the details. How would you go about identifying which Mosques to close down Gandalf?

We could ask them your airport questions, FD.

Do you, Moslem, believe in Freeeedom?