Yes they were disturbing images but did anyone really think the guards did that for fun?


http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-20/dylan-voller-a-very-difficult-student-nt-royal-commission-hears/8456834?pfmredir=sm

Yes Dylan Voller has a bad history and we've all seen the footage of him in the chair when he was 16/17 years old.

Let's look at footage of Voller when he was 13 years old.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Lih50T0p2cI&oref=https%3A%2F%2Faccounts.google.com%2FCheckCookie%3Fhl%3Den%26checkedDomains%3Dyoutube%26checkConnection%3Dyoutube%253A526%253A1%26pstMsg%3D1%26chtml%3DLoginDoneHtml%26service%3Dyoutube%26continue%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fm.youtube.com%252Fsignin%253Fnoapp%253D1%2526action_handle_signin%253Dtrue%2526hl%253Den%2526feature%253Dmobile%2526app%253Dm%2526next%253D%25252Fverify_age%25253Famp%25253D%252526client%25253Dmv-google%252526debug_prerolls%25253Dfalse%252526layout%25253Dmobile%252526next%25253D%2525252Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253DLih50T0p2cI%252526tsp%25253D1%252526utcoffset%25253D480%26gidl%3DEgIIAA&has_verified=1&client=mv-google&layout=mobile

How terrifying must that be for a little boy.

Dylan Voller is a criminal and a very troubled individual but his treatment at the hands of corrections whilst he was a child is inexcusable.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=KUr-JGm-XUM

No child deserves to be treated by grown men the way he was.

I dont find the fact that he was 13 or 14 years old deserving of any absolution for his behaviour. Hes a right little sociopathic piece of sh!te no matter what his age.

So you don't see anything wrong with a young child being treated the way he was? It's fine to treat a kid like that if they are criminals?

Raven wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:05am:

So you don't see anything wrong with a young child being treated the way he was? It's fine to treat a kid like that if they are criminals?

Correct.

I dont get that at some arbitary age people should then be held accountable for their actions but even a day before they turn 18 they are "children" therefore deserve special concessions.

Raven wrote on Apr 20^th, 2017 at 11:47pm:

Yes Dylan Voller has a bad history and we've all seen the footage of him in the chair when he was 16/17 years old. Let's look at footage of Voller when he was 13 years old. https://youtube.com/watch?v=Lih50T0p2cI&oref=https%3A%2F%2Faccounts.google.com%2FCheckCookie%3Fhl%3Den%26checkedDomains%3Dyoutube%26checkConnection%3Dyoutube%253A526%253A1%26pstMsg%3D1%26chtml%3DLoginDoneHtml%26service%3Dyoutube%26continue%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fm.youtube.com%252Fsignin%253Fnoapp%253D1%2526action_handle_signin%253Dtrue%2526hl%253Den%2526feature%253Dmobile%2526app%253Dm%2526next%253D%25252Fverify_age%25253Famp%25253D%252526client%25253Dmv-google%252526debug_prerolls%25253Dfalse%252526layout%25253Dmobile%252526next%25253D%2525252Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253DLih50T0p2cI%252526tsp%25253D1%252526utcoffset%25253D480%26gidl%3DEgIIAA&has_verified=1&client=mv-google&layout=mobile How terrifying must that be for a little boy. Dylan Voller is a criminal and a very troubled individual but his treatment at the hands of corrections whilst he was a child is inexcusable. https://youtube.com/watch?v=KUr-JGm-XUM No child deserves to be treated by grown men the way he was.

I agree.

rhino wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:13am:

I dont get that at some arbitary age people should then be held accountable for their actions but even a day before they turn 18 they are "children" therefore deserve special concessions.

So, children should be just considered "Responsible" for their actions and locked up with adults, Rhino?

In reality, children are treated as children 'cause they are well, children.   Children are meant to be protected and helped, not injudiciously restrained in a chair and hood simply because the adults can't cope with the kid's behavior.   Raven is suggesting that because of how the adults have acted towards this kid, the kid's behaviour has become worse.  His behaviour is a consequence of the adult's actions.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

rhino wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:08am:

Raven wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:05am: So you don't see anything wrong with a young child being treated the way he was? It's fine to treat a kid like that if they are criminals? Correct.

Wow... ok

The fact you think that it is acceptable to abuse a child from the age of 13 is frankly staggering.

Raven wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:02am:

rhino wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:08am: Raven wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:05am: So you don't see anything wrong with a young child being treated the way he was? It's fine to treat a kid like that if they are criminals? Correct. Wow... ok The fact you think that it is acceptable to abuse a child from the age of 13 is frankly staggering.

The abuse probably started well before 13 for him to behave like that at 13.


Quote:

“Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.” ― Aristotle, The Philosophy of Aristotle

rhino wrote on Apr 20^th, 2017 at 11:56pm:

I dont find the fact that he was 13 or 14 years old deserving of any absolution for his behaviour. Hes a right little sociopathic piece of sh!te no matter what his age.

Touch of the tar brush, innit.

While I do not agree with treating a child with violence.
One must ask the question, what drove the guards to this behaviour?

Some children, many children, are almost suicidal in their approach to authority or behaving in a civil manner.
You can only warn, cajole, beg or suggest that they behave like a human so many times before it all seems rather pointless.

Punishment becomes a challenge for people like this, but children become immune to piunishment once they get past a certian point.
You show them compassion and love, they think you are weak and try to use you, but the behaviour does not change.

What would you suggest?
Perhaps chemical constraints?
Eventually they become immune or so brain dead that it destroys what humanity is left.

It is obvious that this child, and probably many others, are this way because of their parents.
Parents go a long way toward how a child behaves in this world, but that is not the total reason, often peer pressure, organizations, groups etc influence a child and their behaviour.

What is the answer?
I doubt anyone really knows, but violence will only lead to more violence.
Restraint, nothing more than bottling up the problem.
Chemical constraints, long term, useless, short term, harmful.

Its sad, but unfortunately, this child has had it bad and continues to behave bad.

Remember, you are what you make yourself, others can only influence your behaviour if you let them.
I know people who had some of the most horrendus upbringing, and yet are now successrful and wonderful people.
I have also met people who have had a wonderful upbringing and yet are horrible people.

young aboriginal boys used to serve apprenticeships in the beef industry and end up proud strong and capable.

now, thanks to leftie do-gooders taking away these opportunities, they serve apprenticeships where they get to vibe with anger, hatred, despair, victimhood and fear.
oh look, i just listed the 5 parameters of the leftard emotional state. they are just creating more recruits for their movement

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they serve apprenticeships where they get to vibe with anger, hatred, despair, victimhood


There is definitely a victimhood industry, and its fostered by the left.

The left do this for their own political ends with no regard to the welfare of their clients/ victims

miketrees wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 7:16am:

they serve apprenticeships where they get to vibe with anger, hatred, despair, victimhood There is definitely a victimhood industry, and its fostered by the left. The left do this for their own political ends with no regard to the welfare of their clients/ victims

when you are a teenager, you have a choice to make.

you can work hard, study hard, bust thru barriers, use obstacles as stepping stones , eat well, hit the gym and surround yourself with positive people.

but all these things require EFFORT.

if you are LAZY, you can let yourself off the hook by becoming a victim, feeling all sad and butt hurt, always expecting things to go your way and complaining.

this state requires NO EFFORT.

in previous societies if you didnt put in an effort you were screwed, you perished.
but leftards thru some warped ideology, have enabled people to dwell in this mediocre purgatory.
Laziness will lead to craziness.
Never , ever ever accept a handout, expect a handout or complain .
EVER.


i said to my 3 kids.


how much money would i have to give you for one of your legs.

they wouldnt even sell me a leg for $2 million dollars.

i then pointed out to them that they were already millionaires.
its important to live in abundance and abundance is a mindset.
if you live in australia in 2017 and it isnt going well for you,
you SUCK

Raven wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:05am:

So you don't see anything wrong with a young child being treated the way he was? It's fine to treat a kid like that if they are criminals?

The guards at the facility should not have to accept having shittt piss and spit chucked at them.

The guards are just the people at the end of the line having to deal with this kid.

rhino wrote on Apr 20^th, 2017 at 11:56pm:

I dont find the fact that he was 13 or 14 years old deserving of any absolution for his behaviour. Hes a right little sociopathic piece of sh!te no matter what his age.

so you believe in two wrongs making a right

and an eye for an eye.. :(

Gordon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 8:46am:

Raven wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:05am: So you don't see anything wrong with a young child being treated the way he was? It's fine to treat a kid like that if they are criminals? The guards at the facility should not have to accept having shittt piss and spit chucked at them. The guards are just the people at the end of the line having to deal with this kid.

they are of course....

but have they had the right training to dfeal with this type of behavior..

because that is what it is  BEHAVIOR....unless the child has a mental issue and should never be in Don Dale in the first place.... >:( >:( >:( >:(

this is what disturbs me... if an adult did what the boy did he would be declared insane...and put in a mental ward where they are trained in a special way to deal with mental BEHAVIOR..

lets get it right and not blame a child for bad adult behavior. >:(

Can't believe the idiots trying to justify this

He's a kid, and he's in jail. Did you really think that they don't put alter boys in jails? Of course he's a trouble maker and a little sh1t.
That doesn't excuse abusing him. If you can't handle a kid in that job without abusing them, you need to find another job

Gordon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 8:46am:

The guards at the facility should not have to accept having shittt piss and spit chucked at them.

it's a part of the job description. If you can't handle it go work at a nursing home. They aren't working with saints. They're in there for a reason. If you expect them to behave the you're an idiot who should not be allowed near a jail.

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:30am:

Can't believe the idiots trying to justify this He's a kid, and he's in jail. Did you really think that they don't put alter boys in jails? Of course he's a trouble maker and a little sh1t. That doesn't excuse abusing him. If you can't handle a kid in that job without abusing them, you need to find another job

its bullying john no more or less..

I am bigger and there are more of us..

and you are only one..

I can and I will do this.. >:(

shameful but the blame lies with the lack of training..and skills given to those in the job...

no different to those Yanks and their muslim prisoners..

we should all carry the shame for this...same as the abuse in childrens homes...

someone turns a blind eye to it allowing it to just go on and on.. >:( >:( >:(

Gordon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 8:46am:

Raven wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:05am: So you don't see anything wrong with a young child being treated the way he was? It's fine to treat a kid like that if they are criminals? The guards at the facility should not have to accept having shittt piss and spit chucked at them. The guards are just the people at the end of the line having to deal with this kid.

it is a paradoxical situation.

we need to have strong personal boundaries, so we do not accept these behaviours.
for example if a horse bit me, this is unacceptable and must be corrected.

BUT

we need to be emotionally mastered or we will make the problem worse.
for example if a horse bit me and i got really mad and struck it with a whip, it has learnt nothing.

what to do.


from a position of being a superior being and having mastered your emotions, you correct a behaviour by making

"the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard"  and you do it without a shred of anger or revenge.

so i would get a horse that bit and immediately put it to work, i would halter it to the bcak of a quad bike and make it trot around for 30 minutes . the penny will drop and the behaviour is extinguished . if you whip it, it may well escalate to a kick next time as it now sees you as an enemy
i will gaurantee it will not bite again.

for these young inmates , i would act in a similar way.
i would (unemotionally) attach them to the back of a quad bike and make them jog in the hot sun for , say, an hour.

if they repeat the behaviour, the lesson is retaught.

it will not take long for the penny to drop.

if i dont want to do this unpleasant work, i must act in accoradance with my superiors.

now we can all be friends and synergise and become teammates. (just like a horse that is taught obedience can become a great partner).
i call this constructing a win/win.

violence and anger construct a lose/lose

Raven wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:05am:

So you don't see anything wrong with a young child being treated the way he was? It's fine to treat a kid like that if they are criminals?

So you don't see anything wrong with the victims of this little shytes behaviour?

Always making excuses & playing the victim card.

The officers in that facility don't deserve to be spat on or attacked by any inmates .... even juveniles.

Every workplace has a duty of care to it's employees & just as much so as a duty of care toward & procedures for dealing with violent inmates.

They are not in there because they are misunderstood little angels.

In the main they are violent, anti-social & uncontrollable.

That's what gets them locked up in the first place.

It could be that some of them have various forms of the Autism spectrum ........

& if you knew anything about that you would realise that when they have meltdowns there's nothing you can do to talk them out of it.

Raven wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:02am:

rhino wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:08am: Raven wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:05am: So you don't see anything wrong with a young child being treated the way he was? It's fine to treat a kid like that if they are criminals? Correct. Wow... ok The fact you think that it is acceptable to abuse a child from the age of 13 is frankly staggering.

Why the age of 13?

He was probably abused from a much earlier age ... by family.

Or it was neglect ... . he was allowed to just run amok without rules, discipline or being taught boundaries.

The making of a good anti-social crim.

Non the less it needs to be reigned in ....

and society needs to be protected even from violent anti-social teenagers as well as adults.

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:30am:

Can't believe the idiots trying to justify this He's a kid, and he's in jail. Did you really think that they don't put alter boys in jails? Of course he's a trouble maker and a little sh1t. That doesn't excuse abusing him. If you can't handle a kid in that job without abusing them, you need to find another job

And of course you've had first hand experience in that field I take it?  ::)

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:33am:

Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 8:46am: The guards at the facility should not have to accept having shittt piss and spit chucked at them. it's a part of the job description. If you can't handle it go work at a nursing home. They aren't working with saints. They're in there for a reason. If you expect them to behave the you're an idiot who should not be allowed near a jail.

They're not expecting them to behave .... that's the methods they use for their safety.

cods wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:36am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:30am: Can't believe the idiots trying to justify this He's a kid, and he's in jail. Did you really think that they don't put alter boys in jails? Of course he's a trouble maker and a little sh1t. That doesn't excuse abusing him. If you can't handle a kid in that job without abusing them, you need to find another job its bullying john no more or less.. I am bigger and there are more of us.. and you are only one.. I can and I will do this.. >:( shameful but the blame lies with the lack of training..and skills given to those in the job... no different to those Yanks and their muslim prisoners.. we should all carry the shame for this...same as the abuse in childrens homes... someone turns a blind eye to it allowing it to just go on and on.. >:( >:( >:(

Bullying my arze.

It's nothing to do with kiddy fiddlers or masochistic nuns & priests abusing children in orphanages/homes ....

you wouldn't have a clue what training these officers have.  ::)

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:33am:

Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 8:46am: The guards at the facility should not have to accept having shittt piss and spit chucked at them. it's a part of the job description. If you can't handle it go work at a nursing home. They aren't working with saints. They're in there for a reason. If you expect them to behave the you're an idiot who should not be allowed near a jail.

You're wrong.

A prison guard being assaulted is an occupational hazard but they're not there to cop it like a bunching bag.

The spithood was them dealing with a feral person.

If you're angry about that, examine everything that led up to him being so feral.

Gnads wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 11:03am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:30am: Can't believe the idiots trying to justify this He's a kid, and he's in jail. Did you really think that they don't put alter boys in jails? Of course he's a trouble maker and a little sh1t. That doesn't excuse abusing him. If you can't handle a kid in that job without abusing them, you need to find another job And of course you've had first hand experience in that field I take it?  ::)

what sort of stupid comment is that?

If you can't do your job without abusing kids, find another job. You don't need experience in the job to be able to apply common sense to it.

Gordon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 11:17am:

You're wrong. A prison guard being assaulted is an occupational hazard but they're not there to cop it like a bunching bag. The spithood was them dealing with a feral person. If you're angry about that, examine everything that led up to him being so feral.

i don't give a rats about the spit hood. Spit hoods serve a purpose and as long as they are used appropriately, I have no problem with them.

Pretending his abuse was limited to s spit hood shows how poor your argument is. What did the spit hood have to do with him being thrown across the room? with guards asking them to suck their dicks? with hitting them? leaving them confined to small room with no water for extended periods of time? and a myriad of other abuses that were noted at the time

Current guard 'never spat on or attacked'

The royal commission also for the first time heard from a current youth detention guard who said staff were overworked, undertrained and poorly equipped to deal with the complex issues youth detention presented.

Youth Justice Officer Ian Johns began working at Don Dale in 2005.

He said he had a good rapport with many of the young detainees because he took the time to get to know them, and as a result he was never spat on or attacked.

In a statement to the commission he said he believed "a majority of the workers I have known are very passionate and care about the welfare of the kids" in detention.

However he said there was a shift in culture at Don Dale in 2014 when "the Northern Territory Government started hiring 'muscle'".

Mr Johns highlighted the lack of training of staff as one of the most important issues facing youth detention in the Northern Territory.

However he noted training for Youth Justice Officers had improved since 2015.

He also said he saw Don Dale used as a "child minding centre" by the courts and the NT Department of Children and Families.

"It seems to me that the legal profession and department seems to disagree who pays for the repatriation, which can result in kids staying longer in Don Dale," his statement read.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-28/calls-for-change-at-don-dale-were-ignored-...



http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1490852171/2

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 11:58am:

Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:17am: You're wrong. A prison guard being assaulted is an occupational hazard but they're not there to cop it like a bunching bag. The spithood was them dealing with a feral person. If you're angry about that, examine everything that led up to him being so feral. i don't give a rats about the spit hood. Spit hoods serve a purpose and as long as they are used appropriately, I have no problem with them. Pretending his abuse was limited to s spit hood shows how poor your argument is. What did the spit hood have to do with him being thrown across the room? with guards asking them to suck their dicks? with hitting them? leaving them confined to small room with no water for extended periods of time? and a myriad of other abuses that were noted at the time

Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't  help.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:04pm:

Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't  help.

if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus.

Its the NT standard, or lack of it.

I agree with the use of the hood, but the staff should have been trained better, had more PPE on and taken the kid down in a less violent manner.

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:04pm: Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't  help. if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus.

So we are meant to fell sorry for them el doucho? :-/

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:04pm: Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't  help. if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus. So we are meant to fell sorry for them el doucho? :-/

no ones asking you to feel sorry for them. Why is it you think not abusing them is the same as feeling sorry for them?

You can not feel sorry for them and still not abuse them you know.

Gnads wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 11:09am:

cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:36am: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:30am: Can't believe the idiots trying to justify this He's a kid, and he's in jail. Did you really think that they don't put alter boys in jails? Of course he's a trouble maker and a little sh1t. That doesn't excuse abusing him. If you can't handle a kid in that job without abusing them, you need to find another job its bullying john no more or less.. I am bigger and there are more of us.. and you are only one.. I can and I will do this.. >:( shameful but the blame lies with the lack of training..and skills given to those in the job... no different to those Yanks and their muslim prisoners.. we should all carry the shame for this...same as the abuse in childrens homes... someone turns a blind eye to it allowing it to just go on and on.. >:( >:( >:( Bullying my arze. It's nothing to do with kiddy fiddlers or masochistic nuns & priests abusing children in orphanages/homes .... you wouldn't have a clue what training these officers have.  ::)

thats your opinion.....you dont think BIGGER and STRONGER takes a part in how a child is treated..

perhaps you should take a look at the stat for children that are killed because of BIGGER ADULTS>. >:( >:(

some one even thinks a kids should show respect  what sort of statement is that>?>.,

not only do you have to earn respect   it has to be taught.. >:( >:(..

kids lead b y example....do you seriously think this is a good example to give out of control kids..????

do you really...

is this the way you would deal with one of your own who was disobedient?? 

use strong arm.. because you are BIGGER???... 

and maybe have a support group of 5 or 6.... >:( >:( >:(

unbelievable... btw I did read when it first became news.. that these officers are not trained to deal with these boys in a way that is effectual...... :( :(

if you think this will turn out decent adults.. boy its a good job you dont work in that industry,.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:04pm: Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't  help. if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus. So we are meant to fell sorry for them el doucho? :-/

hammer how can these boys learn RESPECT....seriously ???...if someone did that to me.. I would HATE for the rest of my life.. >:(

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:27pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:24pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:04pm: Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't  help. if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus. So we are meant to fell sorry for them el doucho? :-/ no ones asking you to feel sorry for them. Why is it you think not abusing them is the same as feeling sorry for them? You can not feel sorry for them and still not abuse them you know.

I feel sorry for the victims of their crimes actually. Particularly the ones who have been violently attacked.

cods wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:24pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:04pm: Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't  help. if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus. So we are meant to fell sorry for them el doucho? :-/ hammer how can these boys learn RESPECT....seriously ???...if someone did that to me.. I would HATE for the rest of my life.. >:(

It is jail you know cods. It isn't Club Med. They are being punished for serious crimes.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:27pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:24pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:04pm: Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't  help. if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus. So we are meant to fell sorry for them el doucho? :-/ no ones asking you to feel sorry for them. Why is it you think not abusing them is the same as feeling sorry for them? You can not feel sorry for them and still not abuse them you know. I feel sorry for the victims of their crimes actually. Particularly the ones who have been violently attacked.

blah blah blah ... you're so busy making excuses you can't even stick to the topic being discussed.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:36pm:

cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:24pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:04pm: Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't  help. if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus. So we are meant to fell sorry for them el doucho? :-/ hammer how can these boys learn RESPECT....seriously ???...if someone did that to me.. I would HATE for the rest of my life.. >:( It is jail you know cods. It isn't Club Med. They are being punished for serious crimes.

mate they are kids its not JAIL....it should be a school of learning not fear and dread....

come on!!!

   we have just had two boys 15/16 arrested for killing a man with a knife. for doing his job....they also stabbed and bashed two other men on the same night...

god only knows what record these boys have....all I know is whatever punishment they have received   in the past....[probably nothing] hasnt worked......

and the same with those in Don Dale. they will all come out with HATE in their hearts...

I cant believe you would settle for that.... :( :(

and god knows what sort of upbringing they have had or not had.......

you do know when your hands are tied behind your back spitting is about all you can do.

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:35pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:27pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:24pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:04pm: Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't  help. if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus. So we are meant to fell sorry for them el doucho? :-/ no ones asking you to feel sorry for them. Why is it you think not abusing them is the same as feeling sorry for them? You can not feel sorry for them and still not abuse them you know. I feel sorry for the victims of their crimes actually. Particularly the ones who have been violently attacked. blah blah blah ... you're so busy making excuses you can't even stick to the topic being discussed.

I'll say it again. I do not feel sorry for criminals. Particularly violent offenders. They deserve having their asses kicked.

cods wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:36pm: cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:24pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:04pm: Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't  help. if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus. So we are meant to fell sorry for them el doucho? :-/ hammer how can these boys learn RESPECT....seriously ???...if someone did that to me.. I would HATE for the rest of my life.. >:( It is jail you know cods. It isn't Club Med. They are being punished for serious crimes. mate they are kids its not JAIL....it should be a school of learning not fear and dread.... come on!!!    we have just had two boys 15/16 arrested for killing a man with a knife. for doing his job....they also stabbed and bashed two other men on the same night... god only knows what record these boys have....all I know is whatever punishment they have received   in the past....[probably nothing] hasnt worked...... and the same with those in Don Dale. they will all come out with HATE in their hearts... I cant believe you would settle for that.... :( :( and god knows what sort of upbringing they have had or not had....... you do know when your hands are tied behind your back spitting is about all you can do.

This is what you don't understand cods. You get up, have a cup of tea,  flick the teli on, get on here. Maybe go out the back and feed the birds.

Now you imagine this- everyday you go to work , getting verbally and physically abused day in day out. Spat at, punched, kicked, have s hit thrown at you, called a pig C Year after year. You don't know how that would feel. You need to think about it more. How would you react to that??

don't drop the soap.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:52pm:

I'll say it again. I do not feel sorry for criminals. Particularly violent offenders. They deserve having their asses kicked.

and round in circles we go  :D :D :D



John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:27pm:

no ones asking you to feel sorry for them. Why is it you think not abusing them is the same as feeling sorry for them? You can not feel sorry for them and still not abuse them you know.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:58pm:

Now you imagine this- everyday you go to work , getting verbally and physically abused day in day out. Spat at, punched, kicked, have s hit thrown at you, called a pig C Year after year. You don't know how that would feel. You need to think about it more. How would you react to that??

if you can't handle it find another job.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:58pm:

cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:47pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:36pm: cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:24pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:04pm: Maybe if they show the prisons officers respect they'd get treated better. Spitting at them while calling them pig c*&ts won't  help. if they respected others they probably wouldn't have ended up in a jail in the first place you doofus. So we are meant to fell sorry for them el doucho? :-/ hammer how can these boys learn RESPECT....seriously ???...if someone did that to me.. I would HATE for the rest of my life.. >:( It is jail you know cods. It isn't Club Med. They are being punished for serious crimes. mate they are kids its not JAIL....it should be a school of learning not fear and dread.... come on!!!    we have just had two boys 15/16 arrested for killing a man with a knife. for doing his job....they also stabbed and bashed two other men on the same night... god only knows what record these boys have....all I know is whatever punishment they have received   in the past....[probably nothing] hasnt worked...... and the same with those in Don Dale. they will all come out with HATE in their hearts... I cant believe you would settle for that.... :( :( and god knows what sort of upbringing they have had or not had....... you do know when your hands are tied behind your back spitting is about all you can do. This is what you don't understand cods. You get up, have a cup of tea,  flick the teli on, get on here. Maybe go out the back and feed the birds. Now you imagine this- everyday you go to work , getting verbally and physically abused day in day out. Spat at, punched, kicked, have s hit thrown at you, called a pig C Year after year. You don't know how that would feel. You need to think about it more. How would you react to that??

Agaian, for the slow leareners:

Youth Justice Officer Ian Johns began working at Don Dale in 2005.

He said he had a good rapport with many of the young detainees because he took the time to get to know them, and as a result he was never spat on or attacked.

In a statement to the commission he said he believed "a majority of the workers I have known are very passionate and care about the welfare of the kids" in detention.

However he said there was a shift in culture at Don Dale in 2014 when "the Northern Territory Government started hiring 'muscle.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-28/calls-for-change-at-don-dale-were-ignored-at-highest-level/8394862?WT.ac=statenews_nt

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:58pm: Now you imagine this- everyday you go to work , getting verbally and physically abused day in day out. Spat at, punched, kicked, have s hit thrown at you, called a pig C Year after year. You don't know how that would feel. You need to think about it more. How would you react to that?? if you can't handle it find another job.

The verbal abuse should just go straight over their head , but they're allowed and required to take action to prevent physical assault.

Being spat on is assault.
Go spit on the next cop you see and tell us what happens.

Gordon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:58pm: Now you imagine this- everyday you go to work , getting verbally and physically abused day in day out. Spat at, punched, kicked, have s hit thrown at you, called a pig C Year after year. You don't know how that would feel. You need to think about it more. How would you react to that?? if you can't handle it find another job. The verbal abuse should just go straight over their head , but they're allowed and required to take action to prevent physical assault. Being spat on is assault. Go spit on the next cop you see and tell us what happens.

He said he had a good rapport with many of the young detainees because he took the time to get to know them, and as a result he was never spat on or attacked.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-28/calls-for-change-at-don-dale-were-ignored-at-highest-level/8394862?WT.ac=statenews_nt

mothra wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:08pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:58pm: Now you imagine this- everyday you go to work , getting verbally and physically abused day in day out. Spat at, punched, kicked, have s hit thrown at you, called a pig C Year after year. You don't know how that would feel. You need to think about it more. How would you react to that?? if you can't handle it find another job. The verbal abuse should just go straight over their head , but they're allowed and required to take action to prevent physical assault. Being spat on is assault. Go spit on the next cop you see and tell us what happens. He said he had a good rapport with many of the young detainees because he took the time to get to know them, and as a result he was never spat on or attacked. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-28/calls-for-change-at-don-dale-were-ignored-at-highest-level/8394862?WT.ac=statenews_nt

Could it be this particular child was an exceptionally violent and problematic individual?

Dylan Voller a difficult child who assaulted students before Don Dale jailing, commission told

As a primary school student, Dylan Voller broke windows, defecated in a classroom, assaulted other students, spat on a teacher and tied socks around his neck, threatening self-harm, the NT Royal Commission into Youth Detention has heard.

A portrait was painted of a child with serious behavioural difficulties

Several years later, after Mr Voller was suspended for punching another student in the head the day after he returned from a three-day suspension for assaulting three other students in the playground, his school in Alice Springs decided it could no longer keep teaching him because of safety concerns for other students and staff.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-20/dylan-voller-a-very-difficult-student-nt-royal-commission-hears/8456834

If the prisoners at Don Dale were mostly white the do-gooders on here wouldn't care about this topic. But because they're  abos it falls into one of their pet trendy causes. ::)

Gordon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:16pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:08pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:58pm: Now you imagine this- everyday you go to work , getting verbally and physically abused day in day out. Spat at, punched, kicked, have s hit thrown at you, called a pig C Year after year. You don't know how that would feel. You need to think about it more. How would you react to that?? if you can't handle it find another job. The verbal abuse should just go straight over their head , but they're allowed and required to take action to prevent physical assault. Being spat on is assault. Go spit on the next cop you see and tell us what happens. He said he had a good rapport with many of the young detainees because he took the time to get to know them, and as a result he was never spat on or attacked. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-28/calls-for-change-at-don-dale-were-ignored-at-highest-level/8394862?WT.ac=statenews_nt Could it be this particular child was an exceptionally violent and problematic individual? Dylan Voller a difficult child who assaulted students before Don Dale jailing, commission told As a primary school student, Dylan Voller broke windows, defecated in a classroom, assaulted other students, spat on a teacher and tied socks around his neck, threatening self-harm, the NT Royal Commission into Youth Detention has heard. A portrait was painted of a child with serious behavioural difficulties Several years later, after Mr Voller was suspended for punching another student in the head the day after he returned from a three-day suspension for assaulting three other students in the playground, his school in Alice Springs decided it could no longer keep teaching him because of safety concerns for other students and staff. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-20/dylan-voller-a-very-difficult-student-nt-royal-commission-hears/8456834

Oh look at Cods, el doucho and Mothballs poor little aboriginal victim. ALL HE NEEDS IS TO BE TREATED RIGHT!!!!! :'( :'(

Gordon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:16pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:08pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:58pm: Now you imagine this- everyday you go to work , getting verbally and physically abused day in day out. Spat at, punched, kicked, have s hit thrown at you, called a pig C Year after year. You don't know how that would feel. You need to think about it more. How would you react to that?? if you can't handle it find another job. The verbal abuse should just go straight over their head , but they're allowed and required to take action to prevent physical assault. Being spat on is assault. Go spit on the next cop you see and tell us what happens. He said he had a good rapport with many of the young detainees because he took the time to get to know them, and as a result he was never spat on or attacked. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-28/calls-for-change-at-don-dale-were-ignored-at-highest-level/8394862?WT.ac=statenews_nt Could it be this particular child was an exceptionally violent and problematic individual? Dylan Voller a difficult child who assaulted students before Don Dale jailing, commission told As a primary school student, Dylan Voller broke windows, defecated in a classroom, assaulted other students, spat on a teacher and tied socks around his neck, threatening self-harm, the NT Royal Commission into Youth Detention has heard. A portrait was painted of a child with serious behavioural difficulties Several years later, after Mr Voller was suspended for punching another student in the head the day after he returned from a three-day suspension for assaulting three other students in the playground, his school in Alice Springs decided it could no longer keep teaching him because of safety concerns for other students and staff. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-20/dylan-voller-a-very-difficult-student-nt-royal-commission-hears/8456834

I'll go with what the guard said, if it's all the same to you, Gordy. He had worked at Don Dale since 2005. It is most likely he crossed paths with Dylan Voller, wouldn't you think?

He said he was never spat on or abused because he took the time to build a rapport.

He also said the culture of the place changed when the Department started hiring "muscle".

If you treat people like human beings, chances are they'll act like them. if you abuse them and treat them like animals, don't be surprised if they behave  like them.

As every parent, school teacher, youth detention guard or anyone working with children should know.

mothra wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:23pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:16pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:08pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:58pm: Now you imagine this- everyday you go to work , getting verbally and physically abused day in day out. Spat at, punched, kicked, have s hit thrown at you, called a pig C Year after year. You don't know how that would feel. You need to think about it more. How would you react to that?? if you can't handle it find another job. The verbal abuse should just go straight over their head , but they're allowed and required to take action to prevent physical assault. Being spat on is assault. Go spit on the next cop you see and tell us what happens. He said he had a good rapport with many of the young detainees because he took the time to get to know them, and as a result he was never spat on or attacked. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-28/calls-for-change-at-don-dale-were-ignored-at-highest-level/8394862?WT.ac=statenews_nt Could it be this particular child was an exceptionally violent and problematic individual? Dylan Voller a difficult child who assaulted students before Don Dale jailing, commission told As a primary school student, Dylan Voller broke windows, defecated in a classroom, assaulted other students, spat on a teacher and tied socks around his neck, threatening self-harm, the NT Royal Commission into Youth Detention has heard. A portrait was painted of a child with serious behavioural difficulties Several years later, after Mr Voller was suspended for punching another student in the head the day after he returned from a three-day suspension for assaulting three other students in the playground, his school in Alice Springs decided it could no longer keep teaching him because of safety concerns for other students and staff. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-20/dylan-voller-a-very-difficult-student-nt-royal-commission-hears/8456834 I'll go with what the guard said, if it's all the same to you, Gordy. He had worked at Don Dale since 2005. It is most likely he crossed paths with Dylan Voller, wouldn't you think? He said he was never spat on or abused because he took the time to build a rapport. He also said the culture of the place changed when the Department started hiring "muscle". If you treat people like human beings, chances are they'll act like them. if you abuse them and treat them like animals, don't be surprised if they behave  like them. As every parent, school teacher, youth detention guard or anyone working with children should know.

So this kids behaviour isn't in question. Righteooo

Gordon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:25pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:23pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:16pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:08pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:58pm: Now you imagine this- everyday you go to work , getting verbally and physically abused day in day out. Spat at, punched, kicked, have s hit thrown at you, called a pig C Year after year. You don't know how that would feel. You need to think about it more. How would you react to that?? if you can't handle it find another job. The verbal abuse should just go straight over their head , but they're allowed and required to take action to prevent physical assault. Being spat on is assault. Go spit on the next cop you see and tell us what happens. He said he had a good rapport with many of the young detainees because he took the time to get to know them, and as a result he was never spat on or attacked. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-28/calls-for-change-at-don-dale-were-ignored-at-highest-level/8394862?WT.ac=statenews_nt Could it be this particular child was an exceptionally violent and problematic individual? Dylan Voller a difficult child who assaulted students before Don Dale jailing, commission told As a primary school student, Dylan Voller broke windows, defecated in a classroom, assaulted other students, spat on a teacher and tied socks around his neck, threatening self-harm, the NT Royal Commission into Youth Detention has heard. A portrait was painted of a child with serious behavioural difficulties Several years later, after Mr Voller was suspended for punching another student in the head the day after he returned from a three-day suspension for assaulting three other students in the playground, his school in Alice Springs decided it could no longer keep teaching him because of safety concerns for other students and staff. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-20/dylan-voller-a-very-difficult-student-nt-royal-commission-hears/8456834 I'll go with what the guard said, if it's all the same to you, Gordy. He had worked at Don Dale since 2005. It is most likely he crossed paths with Dylan Voller, wouldn't you think? He said he was never spat on or abused because he took the time to build a rapport. He also said the culture of the place changed when the Department started hiring "muscle". If you treat people like human beings, chances are they'll act like them. if you abuse them and treat them like animals, don't be surprised if they behave  like them. As every parent, school teacher, youth detention guard or anyone working with children should know. So this kids behaviour isn't in question. Righteooo

Perhaps you'd like to point out where i said that?

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 11:58am:

Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:17am: You're wrong. A prison guard being assaulted is an occupational hazard but they're not there to cop it like a bunching bag. The spithood was them dealing with a feral person. If you're angry about that, examine everything that led up to him being so feral. i don't give a rats about the spit hood. Spit hoods serve a purpose and as long as they are used appropriately, I have no problem with them. Pretending his abuse was limited to s spit hood shows how poor your argument is. What did the spit hood have to do with him being thrown across the room? with guards asking them to suck their dicks? with hitting them? leaving them confined to small room with no water for extended periods of time? and a myriad of other abuses that were noted at the time

Or was that just one specific individual?

cods wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:31pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:09am: cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:36am: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:30am: Can't believe the idiots trying to justify this He's a kid, and he's in jail. Did you really think that they don't put alter boys in jails? Of course he's a trouble maker and a little sh1t. That doesn't excuse abusing him. If you can't handle a kid in that job without abusing them, you need to find another job its bullying john no more or less.. I am bigger and there are more of us.. and you are only one.. I can and I will do this.. >:( shameful but the blame lies with the lack of training..and skills given to those in the job... no different to those Yanks and their muslim prisoners.. we should all carry the shame for this...same as the abuse in childrens homes... someone turns a blind eye to it allowing it to just go on and on.. >:( >:( >:( Bullying my arze. It's nothing to do with kiddy fiddlers or masochistic nuns & priests abusing children in orphanages/homes .... you wouldn't have a clue what training these officers have.  ::) thats your opinion.....you dont think BIGGER and STRONGER takes a part in how a child is treated.. perhaps you should take a look at the stat for children that are killed because of BIGGER ADULTS>. >:( >:( some one even thinks a kids should show respect  what sort of statement is that>?>., not only do you have to earn respect   it has to be taught.. >:( >:(.. kids lead b y example....do you seriously think this is a good example to give out of control kids..???? do you really... is this the way you would deal with one of your own who was disobedient??  use strong arm.. because you are BIGGER???...  and maybe have a support group of 5 or 6.... >:( >:( >:( unbelievable... btw I did read when it first became news.. that these officers are not trained to deal with these boys in a way that is effectual...... :( :( if you think this will turn out decent adults.. boy its a good job you dont work in that industry,.

Yes mostly in their family.

As for them turning out decent adults ....  as teenagers I'd say they were well on their way to that never ever happening.........

and that had nothing to do with the Don Dale officers....

maybe it should be pulled right back to who made the decision to put them in there in the first place.

We have several generations of young people who have no respect for other or themselves & especially to those in authority i.e. the Police. No responsibility for actions & believing they are untouchable ... they know their rights.

And I can see here the reason why that has happened.

mothra wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:27pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:25pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:23pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:16pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:08pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:58pm: Now you imagine this- everyday you go to work , getting verbally and physically abused day in day out. Spat at, punched, kicked, have s hit thrown at you, called a pig C Year after year. You don't know how that would feel. You need to think about it more. How would you react to that?? if you can't handle it find another job. The verbal abuse should just go straight over their head , but they're allowed and required to take action to prevent physical assault. Being spat on is assault. Go spit on the next cop you see and tell us what happens. He said he had a good rapport with many of the young detainees because he took the time to get to know them, and as a result he was never spat on or attacked. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-28/calls-for-change-at-don-dale-were-ignored-at-highest-level/8394862?WT.ac=statenews_nt Could it be this particular child was an exceptionally violent and problematic individual? Dylan Voller a difficult child who assaulted students before Don Dale jailing, commission told As a primary school student, Dylan Voller broke windows, defecated in a classroom, assaulted other students, spat on a teacher and tied socks around his neck, threatening self-harm, the NT Royal Commission into Youth Detention has heard. A portrait was painted of a child with serious behavioural difficulties Several years later, after Mr Voller was suspended for punching another student in the head the day after he returned from a three-day suspension for assaulting three other students in the playground, his school in Alice Springs decided it could no longer keep teaching him because of safety concerns for other students and staff. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-20/dylan-voller-a-very-difficult-student-nt-royal-commission-hears/8456834 I'll go with what the guard said, if it's all the same to you, Gordy. He had worked at Don Dale since 2005. It is most likely he crossed paths with Dylan Voller, wouldn't you think? He said he was never spat on or abused because he took the time to build a rapport. He also said the culture of the place changed when the Department started hiring "muscle". If you treat people like human beings, chances are they'll act like them. if you abuse them and treat them like animals, don't be surprised if they behave  like them. As every parent, school teacher, youth detention guard or anyone working with children should know. So this kids behaviour isn't in question. Righteooo Perhaps you'd like to point out where i said that?

You just disregarded where I posted accounts of his behaviour prior to Don Dale.

Lets see if we can agree on something.

Don Dale is a facility in need of changes/training etc.

That particular kid is an extremely violent and problematic individual who would cause trouble regardless.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:22pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:16pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:08pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:58pm: Now you imagine this- everyday you go to work , getting verbally and physically abused day in day out. Spat at, punched, kicked, have s hit thrown at you, called a pig C Year after year. You don't know how that would feel. You need to think about it more. How would you react to that?? if you can't handle it find another job. The verbal abuse should just go straight over their head , but they're allowed and required to take action to prevent physical assault. Being spat on is assault. Go spit on the next cop you see and tell us what happens. He said he had a good rapport with many of the young detainees because he took the time to get to know them, and as a result he was never spat on or attacked. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-28/calls-for-change-at-don-dale-were-ignored-at-highest-level/8394862?WT.ac=statenews_nt Could it be this particular child was an exceptionally violent and problematic individual? Dylan Voller a difficult child who assaulted students before Don Dale jailing, commission told As a primary school student, Dylan Voller broke windows, defecated in a classroom, assaulted other students, spat on a teacher and tied socks around his neck, threatening self-harm, the NT Royal Commission into Youth Detention has heard. A portrait was painted of a child with serious behavioural difficulties Several years later, after Mr Voller was suspended for punching another student in the head the day after he returned from a three-day suspension for assaulting three other students in the playground, his school in Alice Springs decided it could no longer keep teaching him because of safety concerns for other students and staff. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-20/dylan-voller-a-very-difficult-student-nt-royal-commission-hears/8456834 Oh look at Cods, el doucho and Mothballs poor little aboriginal victim. ALL HE NEEDS IS TO BE TREATED RIGHT!!!!! :'( :'(

ahhhhhhhhhhh here we go   name calling hammer shame on you..

so if this boy was your son...

what would you have done to him.??...

I know someone who has an autistic   [waiting to be assessed].. child hes 6  and is a real handful.. very very naughty.. so far because he is only little and slight..he can be controlled just dont take him to the supermarket... ::) ::).. but when hes about 9 or 10.. he wont be so easy......how do you know this boy isnt autistic ... which means its not their fault what they do... :( :( :(

this is not a normal child doing normal things....it just isnt...somewhere the medical dept has let him down..

I am sorry you find that making excuses for him... b ecause I am not.. I am trying to understand how and why children are treated like they have been at this Don Dale place...

it sounds like Lord of the Rings after they have grown up.. :( :(

Gordon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:42pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:27pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:25pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:23pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:16pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:08pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:58pm: Now you imagine this- everyday you go to work , getting verbally and physically abused day in day out. Spat at, punched, kicked, have s hit thrown at you, called a pig C Year after year. You don't know how that would feel. You need to think about it more. How would you react to that?? if you can't handle it find another job. The verbal abuse should just go straight over their head , but they're allowed and required to take action to prevent physical assault. Being spat on is assault. Go spit on the next cop you see and tell us what happens. He said he had a good rapport with many of the young detainees because he took the time to get to know them, and as a result he was never spat on or attacked. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-28/calls-for-change-at-don-dale-were-ignored-at-highest-level/8394862?WT.ac=statenews_nt Could it be this particular child was an exceptionally violent and problematic individual? Dylan Voller a difficult child who assaulted students before Don Dale jailing, commission told As a primary school student, Dylan Voller broke windows, defecated in a classroom, assaulted other students, spat on a teacher and tied socks around his neck, threatening self-harm, the NT Royal Commission into Youth Detention has heard. A portrait was painted of a child with serious behavioural difficulties Several years later, after Mr Voller was suspended for punching another student in the head the day after he returned from a three-day suspension for assaulting three other students in the playground, his school in Alice Springs decided it could no longer keep teaching him because of safety concerns for other students and staff. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-20/dylan-voller-a-very-difficult-student-nt-royal-commission-hears/8456834 I'll go with what the guard said, if it's all the same to you, Gordy. He had worked at Don Dale since 2005. It is most likely he crossed paths with Dylan Voller, wouldn't you think? He said he was never spat on or abused because he took the time to build a rapport. He also said the culture of the place changed when the Department started hiring "muscle". If you treat people like human beings, chances are they'll act like them. if you abuse them and treat them like animals, don't be surprised if they behave  like them. As every parent, school teacher, youth detention guard or anyone working with children should know. So this kids behaviour isn't in question. Righteooo Perhaps you'd like to point out where i said that? You just disregarded where I posted accounts of his behaviour prior to Don Dale. Lets see if we can agree on something. Don Dale is a facility in need of changes/training etc. That particular kid is an extremely violent and problematic individual who would cause trouble regardless.

I didn't disagree with it the slightest. he was incarcerated for a reason. No-one disputes that.

Yet that guard who i have several times quoted claims he was never spat on or abused ... presumably he knew Dylan Voller well. He worked there since 2005.

Are you arguing that Dylan Voller is utterly nonredeemable because you can cite some very bad behaviour from him? That the guard is lying and Voller really did spit on him and abuse him, despite his efforts to build a rapport with him?

Gordon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:58pm: Now you imagine this- everyday you go to work , getting verbally and physically abused day in day out. Spat at, punched, kicked, have s hit thrown at you, called a pig C Year after year. You don't know how that would feel. You need to think about it more. How would you react to that?? if you can't handle it find another job. The verbal abuse should just go straight over their head , but they're allowed and required to take action to prevent physical assault. Being spat on is assault. Go spit on the next cop you see and tell us what happens.

take action to avoid being spat on includes looking them in a windowless cell with no fresh air or water for 23 hrs straight? it includes throwing kids across a room? bashing them? asking them for headjobs?

I know, why don't they behead them to avoid being spat on. Afterall, you seem to think it justifies everything else.

Gordon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:25pm:

So this kids behaviour isn't in question. Righteooo

this kids behaviour isn't an excuse to abuse them

Gnads wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:58am: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:17am: You're wrong. A prison guard being assaulted is an occupational hazard but they're not there to cop it like a bunching bag. The spithood was them dealing with a feral person. If you're angry about that, examine everything that led up to him being so feral. i don't give a rats about the spit hood. Spit hoods serve a purpose and as long as they are used appropriately, I have no problem with them. Pretending his abuse was limited to s spit hood shows how poor your argument is. What did the spit hood have to do with him being thrown across the room? with guards asking them to suck their dicks? with hitting them? leaving them confined to small room with no water for extended periods of time? and a myriad of other abuses that were noted at the time Or was that just one specific individual?

was it?

cods wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:46pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:22pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:16pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:08pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:58pm: Now you imagine this- everyday you go to work , getting verbally and physically abused day in day out. Spat at, punched, kicked, have s hit thrown at you, called a pig C Year after year. You don't know how that would feel. You need to think about it more. How would you react to that?? if you can't handle it find another job. The verbal abuse should just go straight over their head , but they're allowed and required to take action to prevent physical assault. Being spat on is assault. Go spit on the next cop you see and tell us what happens. He said he had a good rapport with many of the young detainees because he took the time to get to know them, and as a result he was never spat on or attacked. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-28/calls-for-change-at-don-dale-were-ignored-at-highest-level/8394862?WT.ac=statenews_nt Could it be this particular child was an exceptionally violent and problematic individual? Dylan Voller a difficult child who assaulted students before Don Dale jailing, commission told As a primary school student, Dylan Voller broke windows, defecated in a classroom, assaulted other students, spat on a teacher and tied socks around his neck, threatening self-harm, the NT Royal Commission into Youth Detention has heard. A portrait was painted of a child with serious behavioural difficulties Several years later, after Mr Voller was suspended for punching another student in the head the day after he returned from a three-day suspension for assaulting three other students in the playground, his school in Alice Springs decided it could no longer keep teaching him because of safety concerns for other students and staff. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-20/dylan-voller-a-very-difficult-student-nt-royal-commission-hears/8456834 Oh look at Cods, el doucho and Mothballs poor little aboriginal victim. ALL HE NEEDS IS TO BE TREATED RIGHT!!!!! :'( :'( ahhhhhhhhhhh here we go   name calling hammer shame on you.. so if this boy was your son... what would you have done to him.??... I know someone who has an autistic   [waiting to be assessed].. child hes 6  and is a real handful.. very very naughty.. so far because he is only little and slight..he can be controlled just dont take him to the supermarket... ::) ::).. but when hes about 9 or 10.. he wont be so easy......how do you know this boy isnt autistic ... which means its not their fault what they do... :( :( :( this is not a normal child doing normal things....it just isnt...somewhere the medical dept has let him down.. I am sorry you find that making excuses for him... b ecause I am not.. I am trying to understand how and why children are treated like they have been at this Don Dale place... it sounds like Lord of the Rings after they have grown up.. :( :(

I'm pretty sure we don't know the full Don Dale story and I'm sure it isn't all the guards fault. There's a load of politics mixed up in this. I'll tell you what I reckon is the blame for this kids behaviour- bad parenting.

I can't help but wonder how much the people who demand these juvenile criminals be treated with kid  ;) gloves, would feel if they came up against these "children" armed, ready and willing to use violence, but not in detention, but in their home?
A very different state of emotional responses would undoubtedly ensue. So when claiming the "kids" status, keep in mind how kid like you would feel them to be if you had to face them with a gang of their mates seeking to rob you with violence?
Not very would be my guess.

mozzaok wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:59pm:

I can't help but wonder how much the people who demand these juvenile criminals be treated with kid  ;) gloves, would feel if they came up against these "children" armed, ready and willing to use violence, but not in detention, but in their home? A very different state of emotional responses would undoubtedly ensue. So when claiming the "kids" status, keep in mind how kid like you would feel them to be if you had to face them with a gang of their mates seeking to rob you with violence? Not very would be my guess.

Who is demanding they be "treated with kid gloves"?

mozzaok wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:59pm:

I can't help but wonder how much the people who demand these juvenile criminals be treated with kid   gloves, would feel if they came up against these "children" armed, ready and willing to use violence, but not in detention, but in their home

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mozzaok wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:59pm:

I can't help but wonder how much the people who demand these juvenile criminals be treated with kid  ;) gloves, would feel if they came up against these "children" armed, ready and willing to use violence, but not in detention, but in their home? A very different state of emotional responses would undoubtedly ensue. So when claiming the "kids" status, keep in mind how kid like you would feel them to be if you had to face them with a gang of their mates seeking to rob you with violence? Not very would be my guess.

hello mossy where have you been..??  you bad boy..


this boy has been in trouble since at least primary school...he is of course Aboriginal which makes one wonder.....but to me has he been medically examined and proved to be just a very disturbed child..???..

my granddaughter has a child who has been removed from childcare and early childhood classes since he learnt to walk...he is 6 and now attends a school that has a special class for disabled children.. he is anything but disabled....but no one else will have him... when hes violent watch out...when hes naughty hes a nightmare...when hes good  he seems normal...well almost...he looks like butter wont melt in his mouth.... but when he is in main stream everyday mum gets a call almost....... its exhausting and every once in a while she [mum] gives up.. its tough...but we hope to get a proper diagnosis in Aug.. which will be about an 8 month wait.... plus will cost $1800... can you see any aboriginal paying that...and if you go by their own system   its wait months and months and then it gets cancelled...by either the parents or they doctor...its a train wreck..

this boy needs treatment   he could even be brain damaged...I know if he was mine.. I couldnt sit back and let anyone treat him like that...

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:58pm:

cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:46pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:22pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:16pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:08pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:58pm: Now you imagine this- everyday you go to work , getting verbally and physically abused day in day out. Spat at, punched, kicked, have s hit thrown at you, called a pig C Year after year. You don't know how that would feel. You need to think about it more. How would you react to that?? if you can't handle it find another job. The verbal abuse should just go straight over their head , but they're allowed and required to take action to prevent physical assault. Being spat on is assault. Go spit on the next cop you see and tell us what happens. He said he had a good rapport with many of the young detainees because he took the time to get to know them, and as a result he was never spat on or attacked. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-28/calls-for-change-at-don-dale-were-ignored-at-highest-level/8394862?WT.ac=statenews_nt Could it be this particular child was an exceptionally violent and problematic individual? Dylan Voller a difficult child who assaulted students before Don Dale jailing, commission told As a primary school student, Dylan Voller broke windows, defecated in a classroom, assaulted other students, spat on a teacher and tied socks around his neck, threatening self-harm, the NT Royal Commission into Youth Detention has heard. A portrait was painted of a child with serious behavioural difficulties Several years later, after Mr Voller was suspended for punching another student in the head the day after he returned from a three-day suspension for assaulting three other students in the playground, his school in Alice Springs decided it could no longer keep teaching him because of safety concerns for other students and staff. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-20/dylan-voller-a-very-difficult-student-nt-royal-commission-hears/8456834 Oh look at Cods, el doucho and Mothballs poor little aboriginal victim. ALL HE NEEDS IS TO BE TREATED RIGHT!!!!! :'( :'( ahhhhhhhhhhh here we go   name calling hammer shame on you.. so if this boy was your son... what would you have done to him.??... I know someone who has an autistic   [waiting to be assessed].. child hes 6  and is a real handful.. very very naughty.. so far because he is only little and slight..he can be controlled just dont take him to the supermarket... ::) ::).. but when hes about 9 or 10.. he wont be so easy......how do you know this boy isnt autistic ... which means its not their fault what they do... :( :( :( this is not a normal child doing normal things....it just isnt...somewhere the medical dept has let him down.. I am sorry you find that making excuses for him... b ecause I am not.. I am trying to understand how and why children are treated like they have been at this Don Dale place... it sounds like Lord of the Rings after they have grown up.. :( :( I'm pretty sure we don't know the full Don Dale story and I'm sure it isn't all the guards fault. There's a load of politics mixed up in this. I'll tell you what I reckon is the blame for this kids behaviour- bad parenting.

All the more reason to try and help these kids.when the guard threw that boy in his room you seen tomorrows potential psychopathic axe murderer

Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:37pm:

Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell.

Yet the guard who said he took the time to build a rapport with those kids said he was never spat on or abused.

You keep ignoring that point, Hammer.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:37pm:

Imagine how many

you're good at that, however you're not so good with facts

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:37pm:

Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell.

The guard who treated these kids with decency and respect had no trouble what does that tell you?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:37pm:

Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land".

once painted a house for an abo like that (Geez he was a pain in the arse). His kids who were young adults at the time used to laugh AT him and tell me to ignore him.

mothra wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:40pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. Yet the guard who said he took the time to build a rapport with those kids said he was never spat on or abused. You keep ignoring that point, Hammer.

So ones mans comments (true or untrue) make it fact Mothballs? You are easily convinced. It tells you what you want to hear I suppose. I wonder what all the other 100+ guards (past and present) have to say

Hammer the point is if you treat kids as animals you will get animals.

oh dear wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:41pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. The guard who treated these kids with decency and respect had no trouble what does that tell you?

One guards account doesn't make it fact.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:44pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:40pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. Yet the guard who said he took the time to build a rapport with those kids said he was never spat on or abused. You keep ignoring that point, Hammer. So ones mans comments (true or untrue) make it fact Mothballs? You are easily convinced. It tells you what you want to hear I suppose. I wonder what all the other 100+ guards (past and present) have to say

Did you read his testimony, Hammer?

He said the culture of Don Dale changed when they started hiring "muscle". Coincidentally, that is when the trouble started.

Does that fact not strike you as interesting?

oh dear wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:44pm:

Hammer the point is if you treat kids as animals you will get animals.

what about if the kids are already animals when they get locked up?

mothra wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:44pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:40pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. Yet the guard who said he took the time to build a rapport with those kids said he was never spat on or abused. You keep ignoring that point, Hammer. So ones mans comments (true or untrue) make it fact Mothballs? You are easily convinced. It tells you what you want to hear I suppose. I wonder what all the other 100+ guards (past and present) have to say Did you read his testimony, Hammer? He said the culture of Don Dale changed when they started hiring "muscle". Coincidentally, that is when the trouble started. Does that fact not strike you as interesting?

So all the trouble started in a jail when they brought in a tougher type of guard. Do you really believe that?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:37pm:

Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell.

hammer that is NOT the boys fault....would you punish a child because of the way he was brought up??>.

may as well punish his brother while your at it..

what the children need is discipline  fair dinkum discipline they need to know right from wrong  and where the line is drawn...

you take a child from the outback who has had none of that..  no rules or regulations and expect him to fall in line with what whiteman says and does...you are mistaken matey you really are....he resents whitey before you get even started....there has to be a better way.....and we should all want that... we wont find the right way with beating up kids.. that for sure.,

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:48pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:46pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:44pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:40pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. Yet the guard who said he took the time to build a rapport with those kids said he was never spat on or abused. You keep ignoring that point, Hammer. So ones mans comments (true or untrue) make it fact Mothballs? You are easily convinced. It tells you what you want to hear I suppose. I wonder what all the other 100+ guards (past and present) have to say Did you read his testimony, Hammer? He said the culture of Don Dale changed when they started hiring "muscle". Coincidentally, that is when the trouble started. Does that fact not strike you as interesting? So all the trouble started in a jail when they brought in a tougher type of guard. Do you really believe that?

Did you read the article, Hammer? Have you been following the reports from the Royal Commission?

Or are you too committed to your stance that these kids are sub-human and deserve to be persecuted?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:47pm:

oh dear wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:44pm: Hammer the point is if you treat kids as animals you will get animals. what about if the kids are already animals when they get locked up?

at a young age most kids will act like animals if you allow them too...come on hammer I bet you werent the perfect child.. but were you treated like this??????

cods wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. hammer that is NOT the boys fault....would you punish a child because of the way he was brought up??>. may as well punish his brother while your at it.. what the children need is discipline  fair dinkum discipline they need to know right from wrong  and where the line is drawn... you take a child from the outback who has had none of that..  no rules or regulations and expect him to fall in line with what whiteman says and does...you are mistaken matey you really are....he resents whitey before you get even started....there has to be a better way.....and we should all want that... we wont find the right way with beating up kids.. that for sure.,

If they hate you because of your skin when they arrive then how are you going to teach them anything?

Any compensation that these "children" are claiming should be passed on to the victims of the their criminal behaviour.

Funny to think this whole thing started because people were outraged to see the image of a person being strapped into a restraint chair, with a spithood on.
If they had left him to his own devices and he'd hanged himself would the outrage at his treatment be more or less?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:51pm:

cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. hammer that is NOT the boys fault....would you punish a child because of the way he was brought up??>. may as well punish his brother while your at it.. what the children need is discipline  fair dinkum discipline they need to know right from wrong  and where the line is drawn... you take a child from the outback who has had none of that..  no rules or regulations and expect him to fall in line with what whiteman says and does...you are mistaken matey you really are....he resents whitey before you get even started....there has to be a better way.....and we should all want that... we wont find the right way with beating up kids.. that for sure., If they hate you because of your skin when they arrive then how are you going to teach them anything?

I think you've got that the wrong wy round.

It's you who hates them for their skin.

cods wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:51pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:47pm: oh dear wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:44pm: Hammer the point is if you treat kids as animals you will get animals. what about if the kids are already animals when they get locked up? at a young age most kids will act like animals if you allow them too...come on hammer I bet you werent the perfect child.. but were you treated like this??????

I have a clean record sheet actually. I grew up in the crapiest suburb in western Sydney but I never bashed people and s hat in the classroom.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:53pm:

cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:51pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:47pm: oh dear wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:44pm: Hammer the point is if you treat kids as animals you will get animals. what about if the kids are already animals when they get locked up? at a young age most kids will act like animals if you allow them too...come on hammer I bet you werent the perfect child.. but were you treated like this?????? I have a clean record sheet actually. I grew up in the crapiest suburb in western Sydney but I never bashed people and s hat in the classroom.

No. You grew up thinking violence and racism is not only ok, it's hilarious.

mothra wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:51pm: cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. hammer that is NOT the boys fault....would you punish a child because of the way he was brought up??>. may as well punish his brother while your at it.. what the children need is discipline  fair dinkum discipline they need to know right from wrong  and where the line is drawn... you take a child from the outback who has had none of that..  no rules or regulations and expect him to fall in line with what whiteman says and does...you are mistaken matey you really are....he resents whitey before you get even started....there has to be a better way.....and we should all want that... we wont find the right way with beating up kids.. that for sure., If they hate you because of your skin when they arrive then how are you going to teach them anything? I think you've got that the wrong wy round. It's you who hates them for their skin.

Wrong. I couldn't give a crap what skin their colour is. Aborigines go from white with blue eyes to jet black with caveman jaws so what colour are they? I don't hate aborigines. I just have little respect for loads of them because they are poorly behaved bludgers with bad attitudes.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:56pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:53pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:51pm: cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. hammer that is NOT the boys fault....would you punish a child because of the way he was brought up??>. may as well punish his brother while your at it.. what the children need is discipline  fair dinkum discipline they need to know right from wrong  and where the line is drawn... you take a child from the outback who has had none of that..  no rules or regulations and expect him to fall in line with what whiteman says and does...you are mistaken matey you really are....he resents whitey before you get even started....there has to be a better way.....and we should all want that... we wont find the right way with beating up kids.. that for sure., If they hate you because of your skin when they arrive then how are you going to teach them anything? I think you've got that the wrong wy round. It's you who hates them for their skin. Wrong. I couldn't give a crap what skin their colour is. Aborigines go from white with blue eyes to jet black with caveman jaws so what colour are they? I don't hate aborigines. I just have little respect for loads of them because they are poorly behaved bludgers with bad attitudes.

All evidence, of course, points to the contrary.

mozzaok wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:52pm:

Any compensation that these "children" are claiming should be passed on to the victims of the their criminal behaviour. Funny to think this whole thing started because people were outraged to see the image of a person being strapped into a restraint chair, with a spithood on. If they had left him to his own devices and he'd hanged himself would the outrage at his treatment be more or less?

The aboriginal victimhood industry is pushing this whole saga along. The same stuff is happening in the white majority jails but that's getting no exposure.

mothra wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:51pm: cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. hammer that is NOT the boys fault....would you punish a child because of the way he was brought up??>. may as well punish his brother while your at it.. what the children need is discipline  fair dinkum discipline they need to know right from wrong  and where the line is drawn... you take a child from the outback who has had none of that..  no rules or regulations and expect him to fall in line with what whiteman says and does...you are mistaken matey you really are....he resents whitey before you get even started....there has to be a better way.....and we should all want that... we wont find the right way with beating up kids.. that for sure., If they hate you because of your skin when they arrive then how are you going to teach them anything? I think you've got that the wrong wy round. It's you who hates them for their skin.

Obviously any criticism of any behaviour of any non-white person has to be racist behaviour. Only white people can be racist. Only white people need to be responsible for their own behaviour.
Good to know.

mothra wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:53pm: cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:51pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:47pm: oh dear wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:44pm: Hammer the point is if you treat kids as animals you will get animals. what about if the kids are already animals when they get locked up? at a young age most kids will act like animals if you allow them too...come on hammer I bet you werent the perfect child.. but were you treated like this?????? I have a clean record sheet actually. I grew up in the crapiest suburb in western Sydney but I never bashed people and s hat in the classroom. No. You grew up thinking violence and racism is not only ok, it's hilarious.

I find it hilarious seeing you white leftie upstarts getting bashed. I aint that picky.

mozzaok wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 3:00pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:53pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:51pm: cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. hammer that is NOT the boys fault....would you punish a child because of the way he was brought up??>. may as well punish his brother while your at it.. what the children need is discipline  fair dinkum discipline they need to know right from wrong  and where the line is drawn... you take a child from the outback who has had none of that..  no rules or regulations and expect him to fall in line with what whiteman says and does...you are mistaken matey you really are....he resents whitey before you get even started....there has to be a better way.....and we should all want that... we wont find the right way with beating up kids.. that for sure., If they hate you because of your skin when they arrive then how are you going to teach them anything? I think you've got that the wrong wy round. It's you who hates them for their skin. Obviously any criticism of any behaviour of any non-white person has to be racist behaviour. Only white people can be racist. Only white people need to be responsible for their own behaviour. Good to know.

Not at all. Dunno how you got that.

Hammer is  notorious racist. He's well known for it. He's quite proud of it, really.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:44pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:40pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. Yet the guard who said he took the time to build a rapport with those kids said he was never spat on or abused. You keep ignoring that point, Hammer. So ones mans comments (true or untrue) make it fact Mothballs? You are easily convinced. It tells you what you want to hear I suppose. I wonder what all the other 100+ guards (past and present) have to say

one mans comments trump your imagination any day if he worked there and you didn't

mothra wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 3:01pm:

mozzaok wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 3:00pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:53pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:51pm: cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. hammer that is NOT the boys fault....would you punish a child because of the way he was brought up??>. may as well punish his brother while your at it.. what the children need is discipline  fair dinkum discipline they need to know right from wrong  and where the line is drawn... you take a child from the outback who has had none of that..  no rules or regulations and expect him to fall in line with what whiteman says and does...you are mistaken matey you really are....he resents whitey before you get even started....there has to be a better way.....and we should all want that... we wont find the right way with beating up kids.. that for sure., If they hate you because of your skin when they arrive then how are you going to teach them anything? I think you've got that the wrong wy round. It's you who hates them for their skin. Obviously any criticism of any behaviour of any non-white person has to be racist behaviour. Only white people can be racist. Only white people need to be responsible for their own behaviour. Good to know. Not at all. Dunno how you got that. Hammer is  notorious racist. He's well known for it. He's quite proud of it, really.

and you hate white working class males.

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 3:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:44pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:40pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. Yet the guard who said he took the time to build a rapport with those kids said he was never spat on or abused. You keep ignoring that point, Hammer. So ones mans comments (true or untrue) make it fact Mothballs? You are easily convinced. It tells you what you want to hear I suppose. I wonder what all the other 100+ guards (past and present) have to say one mans comments trump your imagination any day if he worked there and you didn't

what a spasticated response.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 3:16pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 3:01pm: mozzaok wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 3:00pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:53pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:51pm: cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. hammer that is NOT the boys fault....would you punish a child because of the way he was brought up??>. may as well punish his brother while your at it.. what the children need is discipline  fair dinkum discipline they need to know right from wrong  and where the line is drawn... you take a child from the outback who has had none of that..  no rules or regulations and expect him to fall in line with what whiteman says and does...you are mistaken matey you really are....he resents whitey before you get even started....there has to be a better way.....and we should all want that... we wont find the right way with beating up kids.. that for sure., If they hate you because of your skin when they arrive then how are you going to teach them anything? I think you've got that the wrong wy round. It's you who hates them for their skin. Obviously any criticism of any behaviour of any non-white person has to be racist behaviour. Only white people can be racist. Only white people need to be responsible for their own behaviour. Good to know. Not at all. Dunno how you got that. Hammer is  notorious racist. He's well known for it. He's quite proud of it, really. and you hate white working class males.

Yet i married one. And he fathered my two children.

Go figure.

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 1:58pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:27pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:58am: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:17am: You're wrong. A prison guard being assaulted is an occupational hazard but they're not there to cop it like a bunching bag. The spithood was them dealing with a feral person. If you're angry about that, examine everything that led up to him being so feral. i don't give a rats about the spit hood. Spit hoods serve a purpose and as long as they are used appropriately, I have no problem with them. Pretending his abuse was limited to s spit hood shows how poor your argument is. What did the spit hood have to do with him being thrown across the room? with guards asking them to suck their dicks? with hitting them? leaving them confined to small room with no water for extended periods of time? and a myriad of other abuses that were noted at the time Or was that just one specific individual? was it?

You & mothballs are making the accusations against the whole group ... are you not?

Gnads wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 6:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:58pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:27pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:58am: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:17am: You're wrong. A prison guard being assaulted is an occupational hazard but they're not there to cop it like a bunching bag. The spithood was them dealing with a feral person. If you're angry about that, examine everything that led up to him being so feral. i don't give a rats about the spit hood. Spit hoods serve a purpose and as long as they are used appropriately, I have no problem with them. Pretending his abuse was limited to s spit hood shows how poor your argument is. What did the spit hood have to do with him being thrown across the room? with guards asking them to suck their dicks? with hitting them? leaving them confined to small room with no water for extended periods of time? and a myriad of other abuses that were noted at the time Or was that just one specific individual? was it? You & mothballs are making the accusations against the whole group ... are you not?

Not. Where on earth did you pull that from?

mothra wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:00pm:

mozzaok wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:59pm: I can't help but wonder how much the people who demand these juvenile criminals be treated with kid  ;) gloves, would feel if they came up against these "children" armed, ready and willing to use violence, but not in detention, but in their home? A very different state of emotional responses would undoubtedly ensue. So when claiming the "kids" status, keep in mind how kid like you would feel them to be if you had to face them with a gang of their mates seeking to rob you with violence? Not very would be my guess. Who is demanding they be "treated with kid gloves"?

;D OK then you ... edwina the expert & your compatriot Smithy please enlighten me as to exactly how this situation should be handled?

That is without the juvenile thinking he's had a win & it's carry on as usual because every one can't touch me.

You are more concerned about the treatment of a violent few juveniles than the multiple victims of their crimes.

Absolutely pathetic.

Gnads wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 6:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:58pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:27pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:58am: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:17am: You're wrong. A prison guard being assaulted is an occupational hazard but they're not there to cop it like a bunching bag. The spithood was them dealing with a feral person. If you're angry about that, examine everything that led up to him being so feral. i don't give a rats about the spit hood. Spit hoods serve a purpose and as long as they are used appropriately, I have no problem with them. Pretending his abuse was limited to s spit hood shows how poor your argument is. What did the spit hood have to do with him being thrown across the room? with guards asking them to suck their dicks? with hitting them? leaving them confined to small room with no water for extended periods of time? and a myriad of other abuses that were noted at the time Or was that just one specific individual? was it? You & mothballs are making the accusations against the whole group ... are you not?

Great point Gnads. They don't like it when we do it to Muslims. But it's alright to do it to prison guards at Don Dale.

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:05pm:

mozzaok wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:59pm: I can't help but wonder how much the people who demand these juvenile criminals be treated with kid   gloves, would feel if they came up against these "children" armed, ready and willing to use violence, but not in detention, but in their home https://i.imgflip.com/g6hlr.jpg

Look in the mirror Smithy ...you've posted one for yourself.

Gnads wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 6:45pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:00pm: mozzaok wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:59pm: I can't help but wonder how much the people who demand these juvenile criminals be treated with kid  ;) gloves, would feel if they came up against these "children" armed, ready and willing to use violence, but not in detention, but in their home? A very different state of emotional responses would undoubtedly ensue. So when claiming the "kids" status, keep in mind how kid like you would feel them to be if you had to face them with a gang of their mates seeking to rob you with violence? Not very would be my guess. Who is demanding they be "treated with kid gloves"? ;D OK then you ... edwina the expert & your compatriot Smithy please enlighten me as to exactly how this situation should be handled? That is without the juvenile thinking he's had a win & it's carry on as usual because every one can't touch me. You are more concerned about the treatment of a violent few juveniles than the multiple victims of their crimes. Absolutely pathetic.

Perhaps you'd like to read this article and hear from an actual guard at Don Dale and how he got results? And how he thinks it all went wrong.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-28/calls-for-change-at-don-dale-were-ignored-at-highest-level/8394862?WT.ac=statenews_nt

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 6:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:40pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:58pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:27pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:58am: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:17am: You're wrong. A prison guard being assaulted is an occupational hazard but they're not there to cop it like a bunching bag. The spithood was them dealing with a feral person. If you're angry about that, examine everything that led up to him being so feral. i don't give a rats about the spit hood. Spit hoods serve a purpose and as long as they are used appropriately, I have no problem with them. Pretending his abuse was limited to s spit hood shows how poor your argument is. What did the spit hood have to do with him being thrown across the room? with guards asking them to suck their dicks? with hitting them? leaving them confined to small room with no water for extended periods of time? and a myriad of other abuses that were noted at the time Or was that just one specific individual? was it? You & mothballs are making the accusations against the whole group ... are you not? Great point Gnads. They don't like it when we do it to Muslims. But it's alright to do it to prison guards at Don Dale.

Nobody has done that at all. Don't be silly.

I've repeatedly quoted from a guard who did no such thing. You've commented on it, for crying out loud!

mothra wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:40pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. Yet the guard who said he took the time to build a rapport with those kids said he was never spat on or abused. You keep ignoring that point, Hammer.

One smacking guard ... & of course he's the saviour & the rest are evil child bashing bastards.

Get further down the street.

Gnads wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 6:50pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:40pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. Yet the guard who said he took the time to build a rapport with those kids said he was never spat on or abused. You keep ignoring that point, Hammer. One smacking guard ... & of course he's the saviour & the rest are evil child bashing bastards. Get further down the street.

Yet he claims the success of other guards.

Didn't read the article, did you?

mothra wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 6:49pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:46pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:40pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:58pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:27pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:58am: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:17am: You're wrong. A prison guard being assaulted is an occupational hazard but they're not there to cop it like a bunching bag. The spithood was them dealing with a feral person. If you're angry about that, examine everything that led up to him being so feral. i don't give a rats about the spit hood. Spit hoods serve a purpose and as long as they are used appropriately, I have no problem with them. Pretending his abuse was limited to s spit hood shows how poor your argument is. What did the spit hood have to do with him being thrown across the room? with guards asking them to suck their dicks? with hitting them? leaving them confined to small room with no water for extended periods of time? and a myriad of other abuses that were noted at the time Or was that just one specific individual? was it? You & mothballs are making the accusations against the whole group ... are you not? Great point Gnads. They don't like it when we do it to Muslims. But it's alright to do it to prison guards at Don Dale. Nobody has done that at all. Don't be silly. I've repeatedly quoted from a guard who did no such thing. You've commented on it, for crying out loud!

So the culture at Don Dale didn't change when the muscle moved in???

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". once painted a house for an abo like that (Geez he was a pain in the arse). His kids who were young adults at the time used to laugh AT him and tell me to ignore him.

Relevance?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 6:51pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:49pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:46pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:40pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:58pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:27pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:58am: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:17am: You're wrong. A prison guard being assaulted is an occupational hazard but they're not there to cop it like a bunching bag. The spithood was them dealing with a feral person. If you're angry about that, examine everything that led up to him being so feral. i don't give a rats about the spit hood. Spit hoods serve a purpose and as long as they are used appropriately, I have no problem with them. Pretending his abuse was limited to s spit hood shows how poor your argument is. What did the spit hood have to do with him being thrown across the room? with guards asking them to suck their dicks? with hitting them? leaving them confined to small room with no water for extended periods of time? and a myriad of other abuses that were noted at the time Or was that just one specific individual? was it? You & mothballs are making the accusations against the whole group ... are you not? Great point Gnads. They don't like it when we do it to Muslims. But it's alright to do it to prison guards at Don Dale. Nobody has done that at all. Don't be silly. I've repeatedly quoted from a guard who did no such thing. You've commented on it, for crying out loud! So the culture at Don Dale didn't change when the muscle moved in???

Yes, it did.

I know you think you have a point. It' always fun when you think you have a point. Let me get a coffee.

mozzaok wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:52pm:

Any compensation that these "children" are claiming should be passed on to the victims of the their criminal behaviour. Funny to think this whole thing started because people were outraged to see the image of a person being strapped into a restraint chair, with a spithood on. If they had left him to his own devices and he'd hanged himself would the outrage at his treatment be more or less?

[smiley=thumbup.gif] Spot on.

mothra wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:56pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:53pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:51pm: cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. hammer that is NOT the boys fault....would you punish a child because of the way he was brought up??>. may as well punish his brother while your at it.. what the children need is discipline  fair dinkum discipline they need to know right from wrong  and where the line is drawn... you take a child from the outback who has had none of that..  no rules or regulations and expect him to fall in line with what whiteman says and does...you are mistaken matey you really are....he resents whitey before you get even started....there has to be a better way.....and we should all want that... we wont find the right way with beating up kids.. that for sure., If they hate you because of your skin when they arrive then how are you going to teach them anything? I think you've got that the wrong wy round. It's you who hates them for their skin. Wrong. I couldn't give a crap what skin their colour is. Aborigines go from white with blue eyes to jet black with caveman jaws so what colour are they? I don't hate aborigines. I just have little respect for loads of them because they are poorly behaved bludgers with bad attitudes. All evidence, of course, points to the contrary.

You wouldn't know real evidence unless it bit you on the arse.

What about tge victims of this little angel

The people hevstole from, possibly assaulted.

Generally little runs like this beat up on those who they can.
Old people, women, other children

Yes, the guards went over the top.

But please explain how you would handle a recalcitrant, abusive, violent child as big as he was?

mothra wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 3:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 3:16pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 3:01pm: mozzaok wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 3:00pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:53pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:51pm: cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. hammer that is NOT the boys fault....would you punish a child because of the way he was brought up??>. may as well punish his brother while your at it.. what the children need is discipline  fair dinkum discipline they need to know right from wrong  and where the line is drawn... you take a child from the outback who has had none of that..  no rules or regulations and expect him to fall in line with what whiteman says and does...you are mistaken matey you really are....he resents whitey before you get even started....there has to be a better way.....and we should all want that... we wont find the right way with beating up kids.. that for sure., If they hate you because of your skin when they arrive then how are you going to teach them anything? I think you've got that the wrong wy round. It's you who hates them for their skin. Obviously any criticism of any behaviour of any non-white person has to be racist behaviour. Only white people can be racist. Only white people need to be responsible for their own behaviour. Good to know. Not at all. Dunno how you got that. Hammer is  notorious racist. He's well known for it. He's quite proud of it, really. and you hate white working class males. Yet i married one. And he fathered my two children. Go figure.

Is he still around?

mothra wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 6:43pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:40pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:58pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:27pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:58am: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:17am: You're wrong. A prison guard being assaulted is an occupational hazard but they're not there to cop it like a bunching bag. The spithood was them dealing with a feral person. If you're angry about that, examine everything that led up to him being so feral. i don't give a rats about the spit hood. Spit hoods serve a purpose and as long as they are used appropriately, I have no problem with them. Pretending his abuse was limited to s spit hood shows how poor your argument is. What did the spit hood have to do with him being thrown across the room? with guards asking them to suck their dicks? with hitting them? leaving them confined to small room with no water for extended periods of time? and a myriad of other abuses that were noted at the time Or was that just one specific individual? was it? You & mothballs are making the accusations against the whole group ... are you not? Not. Where on earth did you pull that from?

Must be the same place you're pulling yours from  ;)

Quite a little tantrum you're having there Gnads. Rough day?

Still no response

How would any of you handle an out of control, recalcitrant, violent, and obvioulsy dangerious child?

Its easy to critisize, but what would you do?

Valkie wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 7:15pm:

Still no response How would any of you handle an out of control, recalcitrant, violent, and obvioulsy dangerious child? Its easy to critisize, but what would you do?

Why don't you read the article and see how a successful guard inspired complicity?

Valkie wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 7:15pm:

Still no response How would any of you handle an out of control, recalcitrant, violent, and obvioulsy dangerious child? Its easy to critisize, but what would you do?

well I doubt many on here would have a clue.. :D :D

the way they talk to each other proves there is no way they would be able to deal with a child like this...

and thank god they would never be asked too.

first of all valkie.. violence begets violence this boy has probably had violence in his life every day.....

unless we know more about him   and thats not more bad stuff but what he has endured to get where he is..

you cant expect an answer to that...

.if we had it we would be rich writing books on bad boys...

sadly so many fall through the cracks and they are still falling through....

I am sure we do win a lot a lot of kids who have come through tough upbringings and go on to be decent mums and dads ..

so we need to spend more money on getting the right people and getting them the right training to deal with these extroverts who need a little more attention  and lots and lots of understanding..

mothra wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Valkie wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 7:15pm: Still no response How would any of you handle an out of control, recalcitrant, violent, and obvioulsy dangerious child? Its easy to critisize, but what would you do? Why don't you read the article and see how a successful guard inspired complicity?

Im not deliberatly trying to be argumentative, but I would still like your take on just what you would do in the same situation.

A violent, viscious, spitting, recalcitrant "child" nearly as big as an adult.
They attack and fight you continually and visciously.

What do you suggest?

Again, I do not condone what was done, but it must also be remembered that this video was only a small portion of possibly weeks or months of violent behaviour by the child.

Sooner or later, something snaps.

How would you handle the same situation.?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 3:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 3:13pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:44pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:40pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. Yet the guard who said he took the time to build a rapport with those kids said he was never spat on or abused. You keep ignoring that point, Hammer. So ones mans comments (true or untrue) make it fact Mothballs? You are easily convinced. It tells you what you want to hear I suppose. I wonder what all the other 100+ guards (past and present) have to say one mans comments trump your imagination any day if he worked there and you didn't what a spasticated response.

doesn't surprise me that you struggle with it. Logic was never your strong point

Gnads wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 6:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". once painted a house for an abo like that (Geez he was a pain in the arse). His kids who were young adults at the time used to laugh AT him and tell me to ignore him. Relevance?

no, his name was Robert.

Gnads wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 6:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:58pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:27pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:58am: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:17am: You're wrong. A prison guard being assaulted is an occupational hazard but they're not there to cop it like a bunching bag. The spithood was them dealing with a feral person. If you're angry about that, examine everything that led up to him being so feral. i don't give a rats about the spit hood. Spit hoods serve a purpose and as long as they are used appropriately, I have no problem with them. Pretending his abuse was limited to s spit hood shows how poor your argument is. What did the spit hood have to do with him being thrown across the room? with guards asking them to suck their dicks? with hitting them? leaving them confined to small room with no water for extended periods of time? and a myriad of other abuses that were noted at the time Or was that just one specific individual? was it? You & mothballs are making the accusations against the whole group ... are you not?

any accusations I made are about well documented incidents reported in the media and at the RC. I've no knowledge of which specific guard did what.

Gnads wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 6:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:05pm: mozzaok wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:59pm: I can't help but wonder how much the people who demand these juvenile criminals be treated with kid   gloves, would feel if they came up against these "children" armed, ready and willing to use violence, but not in detention, but in their home https://i.imgflip.com/g6hlr.jpg Look in the mirror Smithy ...you've posted one for yourself.

like my 7 year old would say 'clap clap fore the handicapped'

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 8:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:40pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:58pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:27pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:58am: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:17am: You're wrong. A prison guard being assaulted is an occupational hazard but they're not there to cop it like a bunching bag. The spithood was them dealing with a feral person. If you're angry about that, examine everything that led up to him being so feral. i don't give a rats about the spit hood. Spit hoods serve a purpose and as long as they are used appropriately, I have no problem with them. Pretending his abuse was limited to s spit hood shows how poor your argument is. What did the spit hood have to do with him being thrown across the room? with guards asking them to suck their dicks? with hitting them? leaving them confined to small room with no water for extended periods of time? and a myriad of other abuses that were noted at the time Or was that just one specific individual? was it? You & mothballs are making the accusations against the whole group ... are you not? any accusations I made are about well documented incidents reported in the media and at the RC. I've no knowledge of which specific guard did what.

You are very gobby for a know-nuffin' idiot.


Will 'Shut the f Vck up, gobby git" meet you half way?

Frank wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 8:56pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:40pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:58pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 1:27pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:58am: Gordon wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:17am: You're wrong. A prison guard being assaulted is an occupational hazard but they're not there to cop it like a bunching bag. The spithood was them dealing with a feral person. If you're angry about that, examine everything that led up to him being so feral. i don't give a rats about the spit hood. Spit hoods serve a purpose and as long as they are used appropriately, I have no problem with them. Pretending his abuse was limited to s spit hood shows how poor your argument is. What did the spit hood have to do with him being thrown across the room? with guards asking them to suck their dicks? with hitting them? leaving them confined to small room with no water for extended periods of time? and a myriad of other abuses that were noted at the time Or was that just one specific individual? was it? You & mothballs are making the accusations against the whole group ... are you not? any accusations I made are about well documented incidents reported in the media and at the RC. I've no knowledge of which specific guard did what. You are very gobby for a know-nuffin' idiot. Will 'Shut the f Vck up, gobby git" meet you half way?

If i'd wanted the opinion of a total idiot I would have asked you. I didn't.

mothra wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 2:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:51pm: cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. hammer that is NOT the boys fault....would you punish a child because of the way he was brought up??>. may as well punish his brother while your at it.. what the children need is discipline  fair dinkum discipline they need to know right from wrong  and where the line is drawn... you take a child from the outback who has had none of that..  no rules or regulations and expect him to fall in line with what whiteman says and does...you are mistaken matey you really are....he resents whitey before you get even started....there has to be a better way.....and we should all want that... we wont find the right way with beating up kids.. that for sure., If they hate you because of your skin when they arrive then how are you going to teach them anything? I think you've got that the wrong wy round. It's you who hates them for their skin.

Lol. You are utterly and completely clueless.

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 8:56pm:

[  I've no knowledge  .

Yes john. we are painfully aware of that fact.

Gnads wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 6:57pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 3:17pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 3:16pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 3:01pm: mozzaok wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 3:00pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:53pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:51pm: cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. hammer that is NOT the boys fault....would you punish a child because of the way he was brought up??>. may as well punish his brother while your at it.. what the children need is discipline  fair dinkum discipline they need to know right from wrong  and where the line is drawn... you take a child from the outback who has had none of that..  no rules or regulations and expect him to fall in line with what whiteman says and does...you are mistaken matey you really are....he resents whitey before you get even started....there has to be a better way.....and we should all want that... we wont find the right way with beating up kids.. that for sure., If they hate you because of your skin when they arrive then how are you going to teach them anything? I think you've got that the wrong wy round. It's you who hates them for their skin. Obviously any criticism of any behaviour of any non-white person has to be racist behaviour. Only white people can be racist. Only white people need to be responsible for their own behaviour. Good to know. Not at all. Dunno how you got that. Hammer is  notorious racist. He's well known for it. He's quite proud of it, really. and you hate white working class males. Yet i married one. And he fathered my two children. Go figure. Is he still around?

would you be? Imagine being married to her.

rhino wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 10:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 8:56pm: [  I've no knowledge  . Yes john. we are painfully aware of that fact.

did you have help with that one? there's no way you'd come up with a 1st grade trick like that on your own

rhino wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 10:10pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:57pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 3:17pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 3:16pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 3:01pm: mozzaok wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 3:00pm: mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:53pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:51pm: cods wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm: Imagine how many aborigines go into Don Dale thinking that white mans rules don't apply. Many aboriginal parents teach their kids that "this is our land". Plus getting taught to hate  "pigs" because mum and dad have been nicked a bunch of times. Those guards must cop hell. hammer that is NOT the boys fault....would you punish a child because of the way he was brought up??>. may as well punish his brother while your at it.. what the children need is discipline  fair dinkum discipline they need to know right from wrong  and where the line is drawn... you take a child from the outback who has had none of that..  no rules or regulations and expect him to fall in line with what whiteman says and does...you are mistaken matey you really are....he resents whitey before you get even started....there has to be a better way.....and we should all want that... we wont find the right way with beating up kids.. that for sure., If they hate you because of your skin when they arrive then how are you going to teach them anything? I think you've got that the wrong wy round. It's you who hates them for their skin. Obviously any criticism of any behaviour of any non-white person has to be racist behaviour. Only white people can be racist. Only white people need to be responsible for their own behaviour. Good to know. Not at all. Dunno how you got that. Hammer is  notorious racist. He's well known for it. He's quite proud of it, really. and you hate white working class males. Yet i married one. And he fathered my two children. Go figure. Is he still around? would you be? Imagine being married to her.

You mean i don't attract racist, sexist idiots?

I'm crushed. No, really.