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Why did we bring them here?   :'(

Sudanese can't assimilate.
The only thing they were ever taught is how to disassemble, clean and re-assemble an AK47.
That's the sum total of their education -
they can't read or write - they're illiterate and
would be far better suited to living in a zoo where
we could go and watch them killing each other.

POLICE ADMIT:

SUDANESE 44 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BREAK LAW


Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
April 13, 2017 9:23am

After years of evasions, Victoria Police reveals the full catastrophe of the Howard Government's decision to let in poorly educated Sudanese refugees from tribal war zones who'd struggle to fit in.

Sudanese make up just 0.11 per cent of Victoria's population but 4.8 per cent of aggravated burglary offenders.

That makes them 44 times more likely to break the law.

Then there are these statistics:

But Sudanese youths were vastly over-represented in the 2015 data, responsible for 7.44 per cent of home invasions, 5.65 per cent of car thefts and 13.9 per cent of aggravated robberies, despite Sudanese-born citizens making up about 0.11 per cent of Victoria's population.

Nearly 70 times more likely, then, to commit a home invasion than are Australian-born youths.

Yes, most Sudanese do not break the law. Yes, it is nice to help the victims of war. But why have we put so many Victorians in danger by letting in people who so plainly would struggle to adapt?

And why the years of falsehoods and coverup?

Remember the falsehoods once spread by then Chief Commissioner of police Christine Nixon, after Immigration Minister Kevin Andrews said Sudanese crime rates were too high and he was cutting the immigration intake?:

But worst was the reaction of Victoria Police, led by Labor-appointed Christine Nixon.

Nixon claimed Andrews was wrong about Sudanese crime rates: “They’re not, in a sense, represented more than the proportion of them in the population.”

A police multicultural liaison officer agreed: “There’s an under-representation of the Sudanese in crime stats.”

Those police claims were false. Figures let slip by Nixon the following year revealed crime rates for Sudanese youth at least four times the state average.

And that's now got dramatically worse.

But remember also how the multicultural lobby and media Left vilified Andrews for telling the truth and trying to stop us from importing even more danger?

The ethnic lobby predictably denounced him as a racist, as did Labor politicians.

“It has been a long time since I have heard such a pure form of racism out of the mouth of any Australian politician,” sneered Queensland premier Anna Bligh.

We had a “leadership which allows divisiveness”, stormed the Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission.

And the elite media pack-attacked.

The Age accused Andrews of making “unpleasant and inflammatory” comments to provoke “a predictably base reaction from those sensitive to immigration on racial grounds”.

Where are the apologies? Where's the acknowledgement that the Left made a terrible mistake?

The ABC has also consistently tried to ignore, hide or diminish the problem with specious arguments like this:

Commentators have linked a recent spate of crimes to the so-called Apex gang, heightening anti-migration rhetoric, but police statistics show most home invasions, car thefts and aggravated robberies are committed by people born in Australia.

Of course most such crimes are committed by the dominant demographic, but note the evasions. First, how many of those born in Australia are actually born to Sudanese parents? Second, and more relevant: what is the crime rate of each ethnic group?

Yes, the born-here cohort commit crime, but why are we adding to the problem by importing people 44 times more likely to bash, rob and smash into your home?

Meanwhile the ABC continues to hire - and never, ever questions - the Minister who so foolishly let in so many Sudanese who would obviously struggle to fit in. And to this day, Amanda Vanstone is hailed by the Left as the more compassionate of the Liberal immigration ministers, despite having helped to unleash mayhem.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/police-admit-sudanese-44-times-more-likely-to-break-law/news-story/8ca308022ba8fbbc4b89ed50504271c5

"It is a fact of modern Australia that men have a greater tendency to commit crime than women, four times more likely according to ABS data.

"And with that, women are three times more likely to be victims of crime and almost twice as likely to be stalked.

"More than 80 per cent of murders, robbery and unlawful entry in Australia are committed by men, and more than 90 per cent of sexual assaults too."

Time to get rid of men, Booby?

Alarming statistics show that violent crime in Australia is a man's game

Once again -

our Sudanese apologist arrives to inform us of our errors.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 1:47pm:

Once again - our Sudanese apologist arrives to inform us of our errors.

"More than 80 per cent of murders, robbery and unlawful entry in Australia are committed by men, and more than 90 per cent of sexual assaults too."

I never hear you condemning men, Booby.

Any particular reason for that?

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Bobby. wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 1:37pm:

Sudanese can't assimilate. The only thing they were ever taught is how to disassemble, clean and re-assemble an AK47. That's the sum total of their education - they can't read or write - they're illiterate and would be far better suited to living in a zoo where we could go and watch them killing each other.

Do you realise just how racist that is, Bobby?  Are you aware of the sad history of human zoos?   ::) ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 1:37pm: Sudanese can't assimilate. The only thing they were ever taught is how to disassemble, clean and re-assemble an AK47. That's the sum total of their education - they can't read or write - they're illiterate and would be far better suited to living in a zoo where we could go and watch them killing each other. Do you realise just how racist that is, Bobby?  Are you aware of the sad history of human zoos?   ::) ::) ::)

Wow - it's been done before.
I didn't know that.
It would have been better if they never came here in the first place unless
they had high education & could contribute something to our society.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 3:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 2:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 1:37pm: Sudanese can't assimilate. The only thing they were ever taught is how to disassemble, clean and re-assemble an AK47. That's the sum total of their education - they can't read or write - they're illiterate and would be far better suited to living in a zoo where we could go and watch them killing each other. Do you realise just how racist that is, Bobby?  Are you aware of the sad history of human zoos?   ::) ::) ::) Wow - it's been done before. I didn't know that.

More fool you then.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)


Quote:

It would have been better if they never came here in the first place unless they had high education & could contribute something to our society.

Yes, it's a shame that rule wasn't applied to Europeans, now wasn't it, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk, your Islamophobia is showing.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 3:27pm:

Yes, it's a shame that rule wasn't applied to Europeans, now wasn't it, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk, your Islamophobia is showing.    ::)

So you're saying that we should be importing more people with no education who can't speak English?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 1:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 1:47pm: Once again - our Sudanese apologist arrives to inform us of our errors. "More than 80 per cent of murders, robbery and unlawful entry in Australia are committed by men, and more than 90 per cent of sexual assaults too." I never hear you condemning men, Booby. Any particular reason for that?

Booby?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 3:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:27pm: Yes, it's a shame that rule wasn't applied to Europeans, now wasn't it, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk, your Islamophobia is showing.    ::) So you're saying that we should be importing more people with no education who can't speak English?

Am I?  Care to quote back where I even implied that, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:27pm: Yes, it's a shame that rule wasn't applied to Europeans, now wasn't it, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk, your Islamophobia is showing.    ::) So you're saying that we should be importing more people with no education who can't speak English? Am I?  Care to quote back where I even implied that, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

It was a logical conclusion from your argument.

Let them stay at your place.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 4:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:27pm: Yes, it's a shame that rule wasn't applied to Europeans, now wasn't it, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk, your Islamophobia is showing.    ::) So you're saying that we should be importing more people with no education who can't speak English? Am I?  Care to quote back where I even implied that, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) It was a logical conclusion from your argument. Let them stay at your place.

Do you let old people, orphans, the mentally ill, sick, physically handicapped, and battered women stay at your place, Booby?

I'm curious.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 5:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:53pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:27pm: Yes, it's a shame that rule wasn't applied to Europeans, now wasn't it, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk, your Islamophobia is showing.    ::) So you're saying that we should be importing more people with no education who can't speak English? Am I?  Care to quote back where I even implied that, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) It was a logical conclusion from your argument. Let them stay at your place. Do you let old people, orphans, the mentally ill, sick, physically handicapped, and battered women stay at your place, sir Bobby? I'm curious.

Greggy,
I don't live an a half way house like you.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 5:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 5:01pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:53pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:27pm: Yes, it's a shame that rule wasn't applied to Europeans, now wasn't it, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk, your Islamophobia is showing.    ::) So you're saying that we should be importing more people with no education who can't speak English? Am I?  Care to quote back where I even implied that, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) It was a logical conclusion from your argument. Let them stay at your place. Do you let old people, orphans, the mentally ill, sick, physically handicapped, and battered women stay at your place, sir Bobby? I'm curious. Greggy, I don't live an a half way house like you.

You didn't answer my question.

Do you let old people, orphans, the mentally ill, sick, physically handicapped, and battered women stay at your place, sir Bobby?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 5:05pm:

You didn't answer my question. Do you let old people, orphans, the mentally ill, sick, physically handicapped, and battered women stay at your place, sir Bobby?

Greggy,
I get bored with people after 2 or 3 minutes so
the answer is no.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 1:37pm: Sudanese can't assimilate. The only thing they were ever taught is how to disassemble, clean and re-assemble an AK47. That's the sum total of their education - they can't read or write - they're illiterate and would be far better suited to living in a zoo where we could go and watch them killing each other. Do you realise just how racist that is, Bobby?  Are you aware of the sad history of human zoos?   ::) ::) ::)

Well, it wasn't a good idea to let many of them out, was it now, Brian?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 5:05pm: You didn't answer my question. Do you let old people, orphans, the mentally ill, sick, physically handicapped, and battered women stay at your place, sir Bobby? Greggy, I get bored with people after 2 or 3 minutes so the answer is no.

So why should Brian have strangers stay at his place?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 1:47pm:

Once again - our Sudanese apologist arrives to inform us of our errors.

which f.cken idiot poli thought it was a great idea to bring that trailor trash here ? As punishment the Sudanese should be made to live around Parliament house so the polies can have first hand experience of the results of their failed touchy feelgood multicultural policies.

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 1:47pm: Once again - our Sudanese apologist arrives to inform us of our errors. which f.cken idiot poli thought it was a great idea to bring that trailor trash here ? As punishment the Sudanese should be made to live around Parliament house so the polies can have first hand experience of the results of their failed touchy feelgood multicultural policies.

hear hear sir Nail,
the pollies are at fault.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 6:26pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 6:24pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 1:47pm: Once again - our Sudanese apologist arrives to inform us of our errors. which f.cken idiot poli thought it was a great idea to bring that trailor trash here ? As punishment the Sudanese should be made to live around Parliament house so the polies can have first hand experience of the results of their failed touchy feelgood multicultural policies. hear hear sir Nail, the pollies are at fault.

what's the bet that most of these sudanese are on the dole ? Even then they are still not satisfied so they have to go out and commit crimes. What a waste of space these people are. groggary should open his doors for them :D LOL

Frank wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 5:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 2:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 1:37pm: Sudanese can't assimilate. The only thing they were ever taught is how to disassemble, clean and re-assemble an AK47. That's the sum total of their education - they can't read or write - they're illiterate and would be far better suited to living in a zoo where we could go and watch them killing each other. Do you realise just how racist that is, Bobby?  Are you aware of the sad history of human zoos?   ::) ::) ::) Well, it wasn't a good idea to let many of them out, was it now, Brian?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif

Move along folks, nothing to see here except a bit o' worn out racism...   ::)

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 4:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:27pm: Yes, it's a shame that rule wasn't applied to Europeans, now wasn't it, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk, your Islamophobia is showing.    ::) So you're saying that we should be importing more people with no education who can't speak English? Am I?  Care to quote back where I even implied that, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) It was a logical conclusion from your argument.

Is it, Bobby?  Why?  Please explain your supposed "logic"...


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Let them stay at your place.

I already do.  I have a South Sudanese woman and her children as long term tenants in my house in Adelaide.  Not a problem.   Why?  'cause I'm not racist...    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 7:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:53pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:27pm: Yes, it's a shame that rule wasn't applied to Europeans, now wasn't it, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk, your Islamophobia is showing.    ::) So you're saying that we should be importing more people with no education who can't speak English? Am I?  Care to quote back where I even implied that, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) It was a logical conclusion from your argument. Is it, Bobby?  Why?  Please explain your supposed "logic"... Quote: Let them stay at your place. I already do.  I have a South Sudanese woman and her children as long term tenants in my house in Adelaide.  Not a problem.   Why?  'cause I'm not racist...    ::)

Little Booby has gone quiet.

Funny, that.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 7:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:53pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:27pm: Yes, it's a shame that rule wasn't applied to Europeans, now wasn't it, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk, your Islamophobia is showing.    ::) So you're saying that we should be importing more people with no education who can't speak English? Am I?  Care to quote back where I even implied that, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) It was a logical conclusion from your argument. Is it, Bobby?  Why?  Please explain your supposed "logic"... Quote: Let them stay at your place. I already do.  I have a South Sudanese woman and her children as long term tenants in my house in Adelaide.  Not a problem.   Why?  'cause I'm not racist...    ::)

I'm not racist either - anyone regardless of skin color should
be able to come & live here as
long as they have something to offer Australia -
a good education would be a great start.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 7:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 7:10pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:53pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:27pm: Yes, it's a shame that rule wasn't applied to Europeans, now wasn't it, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk, your Islamophobia is showing.    ::) So you're saying that we should be importing more people with no education who can't speak English? Am I?  Care to quote back where I even implied that, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) It was a logical conclusion from your argument. Is it, Bobby?  Why?  Please explain your supposed "logic"... Quote: Let them stay at your place. I already do.  I have a South Sudanese woman and her children as long term tenants in my house in Adelaide.  Not a problem.   Why?  'cause I'm not racist...    ::) I'm not racist either - anyone regardless of skin color should be able to come & live here as long as they have something to offer Australia - a good education would be a great start.

What do you have to offer, Booby?

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 5:57pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 2:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 1:37pm: Sudanese can't assimilate. The only thing they were ever taught is how to disassemble, clean and re-assemble an AK47. That's the sum total of their education - they can't read or write - they're illiterate and would be far better suited to living in a zoo where we could go and watch them killing each other. Do you realise just how racist that is, Bobby?  Are you aware of the sad history of human zoos?   ::) ::) ::) Well, it wasn't a good idea to let many of them out, was it now, Brian? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif Move along folks, nothing to see here except a bit o' worn out racism...   ::)

I thought you said there were no races!

Are you now even more confused, Aunty Bwian?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 7:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 7:37pm: I'm not racist either - anyone regardless of skin color should be able to come & live here as long as they have something to offer Australia - a good education would be a great start. What do you have to offer, sir Bobby?

Hi Greggy,
I have an education -
I've got more degrees than a thermometer.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 8:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 7:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 7:37pm: I'm not racist either - anyone regardless of skin color should be able to come & live here as long as they have something to offer Australia - a good education would be a great start. What do you have to offer, sir Bobby? Hi Greggy, I have an education - I've got more degrees than a thermometer.

Lol    ;D

Take your meds and go to bed.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 7:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 7:10pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:53pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:27pm: Yes, it's a shame that rule wasn't applied to Europeans, now wasn't it, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk, your Islamophobia is showing.    ::) So you're saying that we should be importing more people with no education who can't speak English? Am I?  Care to quote back where I even implied that, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) It was a logical conclusion from your argument. Is it, Bobby?  Why?  Please explain your supposed "logic"... Quote: Let them stay at your place. I already do.  I have a South Sudanese woman and her children as long term tenants in my house in Adelaide.  Not a problem.   Why?  'cause I'm not racist...    ::) I'm not racist either - anyone regardless of skin color should be able to come & live here as long as they have something to offer Australia - a good education would be a great start.

And what about those who are seeking Asylum, Bobby?  Do they need to be well educated as well?

You claim you're not racist but you were advocating human zoos earlier.  Tsk, tsk, it wasn't until I pointed out the sorry history of such institutions which you claim you were unaware of that you've stopped that.   ::)

Odd then isn't it that the 2 most multiculti cities in the country are the least culturally harmonious...

as Putnam showed diversity policy leads to isolation and social disharmony.... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 9:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 7:37pm: I'm not racist either - anyone regardless of skin color should be able to come & live here as long as they have something to offer Australia - a good education would be a great start. And what about those who are seeking Asylum, Bobby?  Do they need to be well educated as well?

Yes. The opportunities for them are everywhere. Why not get educated?  Above all, become USEFUL, not just a sullen drag on society.

The post-war European refuges didn't form a massive welfare dependent cluster. Today's refugees should not either.

Frank wrote on Apr 20^th, 2017 at 8:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 9:10pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 7:37pm: I'm not racist either - anyone regardless of skin color should be able to come & live here as long as they have something to offer Australia - a good education would be a great start. And what about those who are seeking Asylum, Bobby?  Do they need to be well educated as well? Yes. The opportunities for them are everywhere. Why not get educated?  Above all, become USEFUL, not just a sullen drag on society. The post-war European refuges didn't form a massive welfare dependent cluster. Today's refugees should not either.

They don't, Soren.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:28am:

Frank wrote on Apr 20th, 2017 at 8:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 9:10pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 7:37pm: I'm not racist either - anyone regardless of skin color should be able to come & live here as long as they have something to offer Australia - a good education would be a great start. And what about those who are seeking Asylum, Bobby?  Do they need to be well educated as well? Yes. The opportunities for them are everywhere. Why not get educated?  Above all, become USEFUL, not just a sullen drag on society. The post-war European refuges didn't form a massive welfare dependent cluster. Today's refugees should not either. They don't, Soren.   ::) ::)

We have done this before, many times, Brian.

They do, not least because we have a multiculturalist welfare state we didn't have in the 1950s. You can look at the various local and international statistics and see that refugees are on welfare in much greater proportion than anyone except perhaps aborigines.

We are importing a culturally alien, non-English speaking lumpen demographic, as does almost every developed Western country, to their great cost.

Bwian has never visited Lakemba or the surrounding suburbs.... he doesn't read the papers from NSW or understand why there is a ME Crime Squad....  never been intimidated, beaten up or raped by gangs of Muslims...  bwian is just an ignorant bigot on this and many related topics. :D

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 8:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 7:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 7:37pm: I'm not racist either - anyone regardless of skin color should be able to come & live here as long as they have something to offer Australia - a good education would be a great start. What do you have to offer, sir Bobby? Hi Greggy, I have an education - I've got more degrees than a thermometer.

LOL

I like it bobby !

That has set me up for teh whole day.

Grendel wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:38am:

Bwian has never visited Lakemba or the surrounding suburbs.... he doesn't read the papers from NSW or understand why there is a ME Crime Squad....  never been intimidated, beaten up or raped by gangs of Muslims...  bwian is just an ignorant bigot on this and many related topics. :D

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif

Move along folks, move along.  Nothing to see here except the same tired old ad hominem debate and some Islamphobia as well.  Tsk, tsk, I wonder when was the last time you were "intimidated, beaten up or raped by gangs of Muslims", Geoff?  You speak from such experience.   Oh, and I have visited Lakemba, several times and I do occasionally read the SMH.   So, how about you pull your head in?   Stop being a troll and stop engaging in pointless ad hominem insults.  It might do you well to actually use your brain and actually debate...    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 6:41pm:

Grendel wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:38am: Bwian has never visited Lakemba or the surrounding suburbs.... he doesn't read the papers from NSW or understand why there is a ME Crime Squad....  never been intimidated, beaten up or raped by gangs of Muslims...  bwian is just an ignorant bigot on this and many related topics. :D http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif Move along folks, move along.  Nothing to see here except the same tired old ad hominem debate and some Islamphobia as well.  Tsk, tsk, I wonder when was the last time you were "intimidated, beaten up or raped by gangs of Muslims", Geoff?  You speak from such experience.   Oh, and I have visited Lakemba, several times and I do occasionally read the SMH.   So, how about you pull your head in?   Stop being a troll and stop engaging in pointless ad hominem insults.  It might do you well to actually use your brain and actually debate...    ::)

More flaming and trolling bwian....  tsk tsk tsk you are a hypocrite aren't you....  oh and bwian like I said you keep posting proof of my claims about you... ::) ::) ::)

Where was I trolling bwian where were all those ad hominem insults...  all I posted was the truth....  you know it... I know it.

I live here bwian I know all about it.  You on the other hand live in denial... :D :D :D

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 6:41pm:

Oh, and I have visited Lakemba, several times and I do occasionally read the SMH.

Really, you stupid old fool!!!

Everyone!!! if you want to be as stupid as Brwuian, you just have to look out the train window at Lakemba while occasionally reading the Silly Morning Herald.

40 years of that will get you where Brwuian is today.  It takes effort, granted, but you can't expect to be stupid like him overnight, can you??


Idiocy takes dedication, as Bwurian shows us ewery day, doesn't he?   Oh yes.

Grendel wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 10:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:41pm: Grendel wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:38am: Bwian has never visited Lakemba or the surrounding suburbs.... he doesn't read the papers from NSW or understand why there is a ME Crime Squad....  never been intimidated, beaten up or raped by gangs of Muslims...  bwian is just an ignorant bigot on this and many related topics. :D http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KPmXCf84Ozo/UWGrVhH6nyI/AAAAAAAAAd4/0Xoj4kE1eKg/s72-c/yawning.gif Move along folks, move along.  Nothing to see here except the same tired old ad hominem debate and some Islamphobia as well.  Tsk, tsk, I wonder when was the last time you were "intimidated, beaten up or raped by gangs of Muslims", Geoff?  You speak from such experience.   Oh, and I have visited Lakemba, several times and I do occasionally read the SMH.   So, how about you pull your head in?   Stop being a troll and stop engaging in pointless ad hominem insults.  It might do you well to actually use your brain and actually debate...    ::) More flaming and trolling bwian....  tsk tsk tsk you are a hypocrite aren't you....  oh and bwian like I said you keep posting proof of my claims about you... ::) ::) ::) Where was I trolling bwian where were all those ad hominem insults...  all I posted was the truth....  you know it... I know it. I live here bwian I know all about it.  You on the other hand live in denial... :D :D :D

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, move along there folks nothing to see, nothing to see here at all, just the same tired old ad hominem debate.    ::)

Frank wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 10:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:41pm:  Oh, and I have visited Lakemba, several times and I do occasionally read the SMH.  Really, you stupid old fool!!! Everyone!!! if you want to be as stupid as Brwuian, you just have to look out the train window at Lakemba while occasionally reading the Silly Morning Herald. 40 years of that will get you where Brwuian is today.  It takes effort, granted, but you can't expect to be stupid like him overnight, can you?? Idiocy takes dedication, as Bwurian shows us ewery day, doesn't he?   Oh yes.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren, why do you bother?  What have the electrons ever done to deserve your continued torturing of them?   Tsk, tsk.    ::)

tsk, tsk, tsk, Bwian....  tsk, tsk tsk.... :D :D :D

Got nothing...  say nothing... there's a good prog. ::)

Grendel wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 11:05am:

tsk, tsk, tsk, Bwian....  tsk, tsk tsk.... :D :D :D Got nothing...  say nothing... there's a good prog. ::)

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Geoff, why do you bother?  All you do is troll and use ad hominem.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

No bwian....  THAT IS YOU, I simply point out what you do when you continually fail to debate the topic which I'm thinking is way above 95% of the time.

Grendel wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 3:43pm:

No bwian....  THAT IS YOU, I simply point out what you do when you continually fail to debate the topic which I'm thinking is way above 95% of the time.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Geoff, why do you bother?  All you do is troll and use ad hominem.  Tsk, tsk.   Tsk, tsk, how can I debate with you when you show no respect and no sense in your answers?   ::)

Would you like me to collect stats on you then bwian...  post it up in big font everywhere so people can easily see just how many times you abuse others?

Clue...  in almost every post without exception bwian. :D

Grendel wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 11:15pm:

Would you like me to collect stats on you then bwian...  post it up in big font everywhere so people can easily see just how many times you abuse others? Clue...  in almost every post without exception bwian. :D

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Geoff, why do you bother?  All you do is troll and use ad hominem.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Day after day, week after week, month after month...
You just post the same crap bwian...

Booooooring!!!! ;D ;D ;D
You are such a fool. ::)

Grendel wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 12:58pm:

Day after day, week after week, month after month... You just post the same crap bwian... Booooooring!!!! ;D ;D ;D You are such a fool. ::)

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Geoff, why do you bother?  All you do is troll and use ad hominem.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

No bwian as I keep telling you...  THAT'S YOU... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Grendel wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

No bwian as I keep telling you...  THAT'S YOU... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Geoff.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Grendel wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

No bwian as I keep telling you...  THAT'S YOU WHO HAS NO POINT...YOU WHO KEEPS TROLLING AND FLAMING....  YOU WHO POSTS AD HOM INCESSANTLY... psssst bwian... people can read you know ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Grendel wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 2:52pm:

Grendel wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 4:45pm: No bwian as I keep telling you...  THAT'S YOU WHO HAS NO POINT...YOU WHO KEEPS TROLLING AND FLAMING....  YOU WHO POSTS AD HOM INCESSANTLY... psssst bwian... people can read you know ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Poor, poor, Geoff.   ::)

Poor?
Moi?
No bwian ...  its pathetic, pathetic bwian...
you have nothing and every post proves it...
STOP WASTING OUR TIME.

Grendel wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 1:08pm:

Poor? Moi? No bwian ...  its pathetic, pathetic bwian... you have nothing and every post proves it... STOP WASTING OUR TIME.

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Poor, poor, Geoff.  Tsk, tsk, wasting our time with more ad hominem insults.   ::)

Bwian....  why are you incapable of being more than just a boring old troll....?

Grendel wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 4:34pm:

Bwian....  why are you incapable of being more than just a boring old troll....?

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Geoff.  What's wrong?  Won't anybody debate you?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Grendel wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 4:34pm:

Bwian....  why are you incapable of being more than just a boring old troll....?

Yes, he is totally incapable.

It's all yawning and nothing to see here. Why does he bother if there is nothing to see here?

He is an Islamonazi propagandist.

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 10:44pm:

Grendel wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 4:34pm: Bwian....  why are you incapable of being more than just a boring old troll....? Yes, he is totally incapable. It's all yawning and nothing to see here. Why does he bother if there is nothing to see here? He is an Islamonazi propagandist.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Soren.  You really are a new Australian, aren't you?   How is demanding that everybody be treated equally, that they be judged on their own actions rather than through your prejudices and hatreds, being a "propagandist"?   Tsk, tsk.  So much for a key Australian value there, Soren.  You know, "fair go for all"?   ::)

Proof is in the pudding bwian....  we are just pointing out the obvious....  yet again you fail to post anything on topic...   just more ad hom, flaming and crap.

Which yet again shows you up to be the lying hypocrite we keep telling you you are... :D :D :D

Grendel wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 1:11pm:

Proof is in the pudding bwian....  we are just pointing out the obvious....  yet again you fail to post anything on topic...   just more ad hom, flaming and crap. Which yet again shows you up to be the lying hypocrite we keep telling you you are... :D :D :D

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Geoff.   Still not getting the message.  Tsk, tsk.  Makes me wonder why I even bother, it really does.    ::)

Bwian still has nothing...

Grendel wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 1:40pm:

Bwian still has nothing...

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  When you cease your pointless and useless ad hominem debate and your trolling, Geoff, I'll debate you.   Until then, well, I won't be holding my breath.  Tsk, tsk.  Oh, and shouting and stamping your little feet won't win the debate, either.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 5:12pm:

Grendel wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 1:40pm: Bwian still has nothing... http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  When you cease your pointless and useless ad hominem debate and your trolling, Geoff, I'll debate you.   Until then, well, I won't be holding my breath.  Tsk, tsk.  Oh, and shouting and stamping your little feet won't win the debate, either.   ::)

Well, Brian, you have been yawning your way through every discussion for the best part of a fortnight now - ad hominem is the least you deserve.

If you have nothing else to say but yawn, spare us. We do know you are unable to intelligently counter most arguments levelled against you. Your yawning is not improving your standing.

Fortnight?
It's been months.... :D :D :D :D :D

Bwian has nothing...

Frank wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 6:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 5:12pm: Grendel wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 1:40pm: Bwian still has nothing... http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  When you cease your pointless and useless ad hominem debate and your trolling, Geoff, I'll debate you.   Until then, well, I won't be holding my breath.  Tsk, tsk.  Oh, and shouting and stamping your little feet won't win the debate, either.   ::) Well, Brian, you have been yawning your way through every discussion for the best part of a fortnight now - ad hominem is the least you deserve. If you have nothing else to say but yawn, spare us. We do know you are unable to intelligently counter most arguments levelled against you. Your yawning is not improving your standing.

Oh, dear, oh, dear, poor, poor, Soren.  I can counter all your arguments because all your arguments are based on Islamophobia, Racism, hatred, prejudice and discrimination, not sense at all.   When you decide to grow up, Soren and stop acting like a schoolyard bully, we might be able to discuss something.  Until then, have fun, bullying Muslims/Immigrants (other than Europeans, of course)...    ::)

Grendel wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 8:08pm:

Fortnight? It's been months.... :D :D :D :D :D Bwian has nothing...

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Shouting and stamping your feet, Geoff?  Really?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Grendel wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 8:08pm:

Fortnight? It's been months.... :D :D :D :D :D Bwian has nothing...

Oh dear more flaming from bwian....  the only foot stamping going on bwian is the imaginary stuff inside your head.

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Looks to me like there's a lot of empty space in your head there too bwian...

Grendel wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 10:33pm:

Grendel wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 8:08pm: Fortnight? It's been months.... :D :D :D :D :D Bwian has nothing... Oh dear more flaming from bwian....  the only foot stamping going on bwian is the imaginary stuff inside your head. http://www.dvdactive.com/images/reviews/screenshot/2007/3/happyfeetcap2.jpg Looks to me like there's a lot of empty space in your head there too bwian...

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Geoff.  Your lies have been demonstrated by your inability to prove that I have "knowingly told an untruth".  You have failed.  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

No bwian your self denial and endless self delusion is the problem.  You need to stop being a lying hypocrite.

Grendel wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 11:03pm:

No bwian your self denial and endless self delusion is the problem.  You need to stop being a lying hypocrite.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Geoff.  Shouting and stamping your little feet again?  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

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grow up bwian... :D

Grendel wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 10:22am:

http://img.ezinearticles.com/blog/record-palyer-broken-record.jpg grow up bwian... :D

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Geoff.   Still not getting the message.  Tsk, tsk.  Makes me wonder why I even bother, it really does.    ::)

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do grow up bwian... :D

Grendel wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 10:28pm:

http://img.ezinearticles.com/blog/record-palyer-broken-record.jpg do grow up bwian... :D

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Geoff.   Still not getting the message.  Tsk, tsk.  Makes me wonder why I even bother, it really does.    ::)

http://img.ezinearticles.com/blog/record-palyer-broken-record.jpg

do grow up bwian... :D

More rampaging Negroes in Melbourne ~ but the boss of AAT prevents Dutton from deporting these sort of dysfunctional foreigners.

link

its good to know they are well dressed   all wearing Adidas tracksuits ::) ::)..

as if we havent got enough rubbish here already we are importing it.. >:( >:( >:(

they have got to go back......I for one do not want them here..

Brian Ross wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 3:56pm:

Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 10:22am: http://img.ezinearticles.com/blog/record-palyer-broken-record.jpg grow up bwian... :D http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Geoff.   Still not getting the message.  Tsk, tsk.  Makes me wonder why I even bother, it really does.    ::)

with your boring little posts..

we wonder why you bother as well brian.. :o

cods wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 7:55am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 3:56pm: Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 10:22am: http://img.ezinearticles.com/blog/record-palyer-broken-record.jpg grow up bwian... :D http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Geoff.   Still not getting the message.  Tsk, tsk.  Makes me wonder why I even bother, it really does.    ::) with your boring little posts.. we wonder why you bother as well brian.. :o

Old news, Cods, old news.  Tsk, tsk.  I thought better of you, really.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

cods wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 7:55am: Brian Ross wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 3:56pm: Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 10:22am: http://img.ezinearticles.com/blog/record-palyer-broken-record.jpg grow up bwian... :D http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Geoff.   Still not getting the message.  Tsk, tsk.  Makes me wonder why I even bother, it really does.    ::) with your boring little posts.. we wonder why you bother as well brian.. :o Old news, Cods, old news.  Tsk, tsk.  I thought better of you, really.    ::)

Did you get hard when the Saudi soccer team snubbed that memorial Brian? You Muslims love sh it like that.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 6:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 6:33pm: cods wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 7:55am: Brian Ross wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 3:56pm: Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 10:22am: http://img.ezinearticles.com/blog/record-palyer-broken-record.jpg grow up bwian... :D http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Geoff.   Still not getting the message.  Tsk, tsk.  Makes me wonder why I even bother, it really does.    ::) with your boring little posts.. we wonder why you bother as well brian.. :o Old news, Cods, old news.  Tsk, tsk.  I thought better of you, really.    ::) Did you get hard when the Saudi soccer team snubbed that memorial Brian? You Muslims love sh it like that.

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Really?  I wouldn't know, Rhino.  Tsk, tsk, Islamophobia, writ large for the world to see...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 7:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 6:35pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 6:33pm: cods wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 7:55am: Brian Ross wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 3:56pm: Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 10:22am: http://img.ezinearticles.com/blog/record-palyer-broken-record.jpg grow up bwian... :D http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Geoff.   Still not getting the message.  Tsk, tsk.  Makes me wonder why I even bother, it really does.    ::) with your boring little posts.. we wonder why you bother as well brian.. :o Old news, Cods, old news.  Tsk, tsk.  I thought better of you, really.    ::) Did you get hard when the Saudi soccer team snubbed that memorial Brian? You Muslims love sh it like that. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Really?  I wouldn't know, Rhino.  Tsk, tsk, Islamophobia, writ large for the world to see...   ::) ::)

Don't lie. You loved it.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 7:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 6:35pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 6:33pm: cods wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 7:55am: Brian Ross wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 3:56pm: Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 10:22am: http://img.ezinearticles.com/blog/record-palyer-broken-record.jpg grow up bwian... :D http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Geoff.   Still not getting the message.  Tsk, tsk.  Makes me wonder why I even bother, it really does.    ::) with your boring little posts.. we wonder why you bother as well brian.. :o Old news, Cods, old news.  Tsk, tsk.  I thought better of you, really.    ::) Did you get hard when the Saudi soccer team snubbed that memorial Brian? You Muslims love sh it like that. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Really?  I wouldn't know, Rhino.  Tsk, tsk, Islamophobia, writ large for the world to see...   ::) ::) Don't lie. You loved it.

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And how do you deduce that, Hammer?   I have made no comment on the event, except in this thread.  I have indicated neither yay or nay to what the Saudis did.   Why do you assume therefore that I, "loved it"?   Tsk, tsk, such foolishness.   ::) ::)

So why don't you offer your considered opinion then bwian, you never seem to hold back usually, even if you libel people whilst doing it.  Wassup?  Chicken? :D :D :D :D :D

Oh and Hammer, bwian already found a way out...  he didn't "love" it....  maybe he just liked it a lot. ::)