We have a couple not very bright members saying we are in a Little Ice Age because, uh, sunspots. This is despite the sun being quiescent and the globe still heating up.

We have plain old deniers like Lees and Greg.

We have those who read the science and can see AGW in action.

Doubtless other views.

So, I will set up a poll, as fair as I can make it, no meaningless choices etc.

Please vote and discuss why you voted as you did.

So, a bit of a spectrum of opinion.

Try and justify your vote, that will be more interesting than your vote.

You have five minutes to change your vote.

I voted for “AGW is happening as scientists say” of course.  Scientist have shown the mechanism whereby greenhouse gases block some IR leaving the surface and heading for space, warming the globe and have recorded the temperature increases and changes to patterns of precipitation and the lengthening of the bushfire season here.

your poll sucks..

we are not in a little ice age...

we are entering one...

but basically... historically...

our climate is as was 100 years ago...

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 11:22am:

your poll sucks.. we are not in a little ice age... we are entering one... but basically... historically... our climate is as was 100 years ago...

Yes Jovial - change it to - we are entering a little ice age.

I've got over 400 videos to prove it -
how much more evidence do you need?

Your videos are worthless crap.

Not changing it, in/entering a little ice age now is preposterous, you believe that silly rubbish vote for the ice age option.

Some argue that we are still in the ice age that began 2.6 million years ago, due to the ice present in Greenland and the Arctic and Antarctic ice shelf.

Parts of the world that get 6 months of no sun you expect to be cold (tho warming up) so I don’t think much of that argument.

Raven wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 12:00pm:

Some argue that we are still in the ice age that began 2.6 million years ago, due to the ice present in Greenland and the Arctic and Antarctic ice shelf.

We're in an interglacial period.
It's been going for 12,000 years & usually they go for only 10,000 years.

So - we will head back into a full ice age any time now.
In the meantime we have a mini ice age to deal with.

This, to Booby, is a sign we are in or entering a Little Ice Age:

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A2.gif

Nobody sensible and sane surely supports a LIA hypothesis? Crazy!

not another bobby/monk thread....pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Just vote, codsy.

Oh look 1940 is cooler than 1980. Despite what Hansen said in his 1981 paper. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

What is your vote, Lees?

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 4:32pm:

What is your vote, Lees?

Why would I want to vote in your pathetic poll?

Why not? Why pathetic?

AGW is a pathetic psychosis by progressives who will never ever credit humanity for anything positive but blow everything out of proportion when it comes to their hateful regard for humanity.

In any case, humans, being a species of animal, are part of the biosystem, like bees, ants, algae, fir trees and all the other living things. Nothing humans do is 'unnatural'.

The progs have a problem with humans who do not think like them. That is the massive chip on their shoulders. The AGW lunacy is about an ideological assault on all who do not accept the ascendency of the progs. And they are livid about any opposition. Like the gays are about opposition to their treatment as if they were normal married couples.

Frank wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 10:19pm:

AGW is a pathetic psychosis by progressives who will never ever credit humanity for anything positive but blow everything out of proportion when it comes to their hateful regard for humanity.

And how do you explain then the increase in temperature which the world is currently experiencing, Soren?   I'm surprised that a Trick Cyclist would even understand Climatology.  I know I only understand it partially and that is because I have a ex-Brother-in-law who is a Climatologist. 


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In any case, humans, being a species of animal, are part of the biosystem, like bees, ants, algae, fir trees and all the other living things. Nothing humans do is 'unnatural'.

Really?  So, the use of Fossil Fuels is completely "natural", is it, Soren?  I wasn't aware of any other animal in our biosphere who had mastered the ability to extract Fossil Fuels, refine them (where necessary) and create the machines to burn them.   Have I missed some new discovery?   ::)


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The progs have a problem with humans who do not think like them. That is the massive chip on their shoulders. The AGW lunacy is about an ideological assault on all who do not accept the ascendency of the progs. And they are livid about any opposition. Like the gays are about opposition to their treatment as if they were normal married couples.

Oh, dear, Homophobia as well, Soren?  Tsk, tsk.  The only person who seems to have a problem with those that don't think like him, is yourself.  Must make life hell to be one of your patients.   ::)

Wow! The world is clearly warming but it is a psychosis to believe it is warming??? THAT seems like a psychosis to me!

It is not possible to reason with people who say there has been no effect from the amount of crap pumped into the sky over last 200 years.

And what's up with all these unnecessary imports that require shipping to pollute the sky? Heinz Ketchup from the Netherlands? Vegetables from South America? And I don't want out of season fruit that has to be trucked across the country.

Yup, I once bought cherries flown in from California. Totally tasteless, cured me of any desire to buy out of season fruit and veg!

Three times as many warning as non–warming votes so far. Good to see rationality rules!

issuevoter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 7:35am:

It is not possible to reason with people who say there has been no effect from the amount of crap pumped into the sky over last 200 years.

Exactly right.

The Earth is clearly warming. The worlds receding glaciers are irrefutable evidence of that.

The only question is whether it is due to humans or due to natural variation.
The sun is stable, our orbit is stable and there are no other natural reasons evident for the warming.
However we do have 7 billion humans pumping CO2 which is a known greenhouse gas into the atmosphere.

From a scientific point of view it is an open and shut case

Yup, and denialism is fuelled by FEAR!

The sun is actually quiescent and has been since the 1980s. It is a minor negative forcing for global temperature yet STILL the globe is warming!

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 9:36am:

The Earth is clearly warming. The worlds receding glaciers are irrefutable evidence of that.

Yes. Is it due to AGW or has it happened before?

https://sunriseswansong.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/old-sea-ice-graph-screen_shot_2017_03_28_at_1_28_42_pm.png

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecover/icecover_current_new.png

Hmm, the graph from Vinnikov et al 1980 shows 1945, 1955 and 1967 to be lower than now.How scary is that?

Poor Lees! FOUR times as many people know the world is heating as irrational people think it isn’t. Better vote you scaredy cat you!

Frank wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 10:19pm:

AGW is a pathetic psychosis by progressives who will never ever credit humanity for anything positive but blow everything out of proportion when it comes to their hateful regard for humanity. In any case, humans, being a species of animal, are part of the biosystem, like bees, ants, algae, fir trees and all the other living things. Nothing humans do is 'unnatural'. The progs have a problem with humans who do not think like them. That is the massive chip on their shoulders. The AGW lunacy is about an ideological assault on all who do not accept the ascendency of the progs. And they are livid about any opposition. Like the gays are about opposition to their treatment as if they were normal married couples.

hear hear sir Frank.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 6:13pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 31st, 2017 at 10:19pm: AGW is a pathetic psychosis by progressives who will never ever credit humanity for anything positive but blow everything out of proportion when it comes to their hateful regard for humanity. In any case, humans, being a species of animal, are part of the biosystem, like bees, ants, algae, fir trees and all the other living things. Nothing humans do is 'unnatural'. The progs have a problem with humans who do not think like them. That is the massive chip on their shoulders. The AGW lunacy is about an ideological assault on all who do not accept the ascendency of the progs. And they are livid about any opposition. Like the gays are about opposition to their treatment as if they were normal married couples. hear hear sir Frank.

Oh Booby Booby! Minimum ice around BOTH poles, glaciers in retreat and you think you can judge those following the science of climatology? No way buddy! Nobody but the brainless or insane believe your crap about a LIA!

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 6:49pm:

Minimum ice around BOTH poles, glaciers in retreat and you think you can judge those following the science of climatology? No way buddy! Nobody but the brainless or insane believe your crap about a LIA!

You are the brainless one for thinking it has never happened before. :D :D :D :D :D

The very thought of AGW just petrifies you with fear, doesn’t it Lees?

lee wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 1st, 2017 at 6:49pm: Minimum ice around BOTH poles, glaciers in retreat and you think you can judge those following the science of climatology? No way buddy! Nobody but the brainless or insane believe your crap about a LIA! You are the brainless one for thinking it has never happened before. :D :D :D :D :D

The interglacial period now - is unusual.
It normally lasts for 10,000 years followed by 100,000 years of ice.

Such an expert is Booby!

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 7:19pm:

The very thought of AGW just petrifies you with fear, doesn’t it Lees?

Nope. that's you. You're a Chicken Little. ;)

Nope, I face up to the problems AGW will bring, you refuse to face them. Just a snivelling coward is Lees.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 7:54pm:

Nope, I face up to the problems AGW will bring, you refuse to face them. Just a snivelling coward is Lees.

What proof do you have AGW will bring any problems? You don't quote scientific evidence, just tell us what you believe. The High Church of AGW. ;)

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 7:52pm:

Such an expert is Bobby!

Doth ye denieth that:

The interglacial period now - is unusual.
It normally lasts for 10,000 years followed by 100,000 years of ice.


Do you know what that means?

There is no way that the Earth will have a carrying capacity
of 7 billion people if a real ice Age starts again.
One of my videos was from scientists in the Antarctic -
they have proof that a previous full Ice Age started in a matter of only 3 years.
Such an Ice Age would be catastrophic for mankind.
Almost the whole world's population would be wiped out.

Given that we are already 12,000 years into an interglacial warm period
& that such periods last normally 10,000 years -
we are well overdue for a full Ice Age.
I just hope I die before it happens.
It may not happen tomorrow or in the next 100 years or 500 years - but it will happen.

The world is warming, Booby, warming! Poles melting, glaciers retreating warming!

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 8:22pm:

The world is warming, sir Bobby, warming! Poles melting, glaciers retreating warming!

Greenland has gained ice this last winter.
Antarctica has gained ice too.
Check it out.
Find the facts.
Don't live in your own matrix - or thought bubble.

No Booby, Antarctica and Greenland are losing ice. Dubyne lies to you, Booby.

I don’t listen to snake oil salesmen, I listen to the BuMet you see. BuMet says Antarctica LOST ice, OK?

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 8:22pm:

The world is warming, Booby, warming! Poles melting, glaciers retreating warming!

And it has never happened before, be afraid, be very afraid. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Our own BuMet said similar:


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Key points Australia •      Australia’s climate has warmed in both mean surface air temperature and surrounding sea surface temperature by around 1 °C since 1910. •      The duration, frequency and intensity of extreme heat events have increased across large parts of Australia. •      There has been an increase in extreme fire weather, and a longer fire season, across large parts of Australia since the 1970s. •      May–July rainfall has reduced by around 19 per cent since 1970 in the southwest of Australia. •      There has been a decline of around 11 per cent since the mid-1990s in the April–October growing season rainfall in the continental southeast. •      Rainfall has increased across parts of northern Australia since the 1970s. •      Oceans around Australia have warmed and ocean acidity levels have increased. •      Sea levels have risen around Australia. The rise in mean sea level amplifies the effects of high tides and storm surges.

http://www.bom.gov.au/state-of-the-climate/State-of-the-Climate-2016.pdf

Further:


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Global Key points •      Global average annual carbon dioxide (CO2) levels are steadily increasing; they reached 399 parts per million (ppm) in 2015, and the annual value for 2016 is almost certain to be higher than 400 ppm. Current levels are likely the highest in the past two million years. •      2015 was the warmest year on record for the globe since reliable global surface air temperature records began in 1880. The last 15 years are among the 16 warmest years on record. •      Globally-averaged ocean temperatures and heat content are increasing. Observations reveal this warming extends to at least 2000 m below the surface. •      Globally-averaged sea level has risen over 20 cm since the late 19th century, with about one third of this rise due to ocean warming and the rest from melting land ice and changes in the amount of water stored on the land.

Now, you can look at crap videos or you can read what actual scientists, not oil seed salesmen, scientists have to say about changes to the climate.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 9:27pm:

scientists have to say about changes to the climate.

Are these the same BoM scientists that can't replicate their temperature adjustments? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 9:41pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 1st, 2017 at 9:27pm: scientists have to say about changes to the climate. Are these the same BoM scientists that can't replicate their temperature adjustments? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

NOAA & NASA have lied to the whole world.

The truth will all be revealed thanks to Donald Trump.

Then I expect a lot of grovelling apologies.

Don’t be stupid, Sir Louse!

Is this the same NOAA that has1997 warmer than 2016? ;)

The poll is 9:2 that the world is warming, Lees. Your obfuscations fool no one. Sad really.

This Topic was moved here from General Board by Setanta.

now there won’t be any more votes. Great work Setanta, not!

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 10:25pm:

The poll is 9:2 that the world is warming, Lees. Your obfuscations fool no one. Sad really.

So you believe in consensus and polling.

And here you are telling people you believe in the science. The proof of science is the observations. Although of course global temperatures are not observations. Do they therefore count as science?

Your obfuscation is not working, Lees, that is the result the poll shows me.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:13am:

Your obfuscation is not working, Lees, that is the result the poll shows me.

How many times have you voted? ;)

And we know polls are proof positive of something being true. /sarc

I voted once, Lees. I set the poll to exclude guest posting you see?

So all those thousands of posts, all the time spent making them—wasted!

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:42am:

I voted once, Lees. I set the poll to exclude guest posting you see? So all those thousands of posts, all the time spent making them—wasted!

So sad that you didn't realise it earlier. ;)

Talking about you and your obfuscation and derailing of discussion. You have made not a single convert. Why continue wasting time?

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:53am:

Talking about you and your obfuscation and derailing of discussion. You have made not a single convert. Why continue wasting time?

Please enumerate your converts. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

All those posts denying AGW, the time spent making the posts—wasted.

Poll is 10:2 that warming is happening.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Poll is 10:2 that warming is happening.

OOh. ;D

All that time obfuscating, Lees, and all wasted.

Interesting poll results.

One brave charlie reckons we are in a Little Ice Age. An oil seed salesman told him so, apparently.

One not very bright soul reckons the climate is the same as in 1900. That is clearly not true, it has warmed 1°C which has caused extreme weather, longer bushfire season etc.

The bulk say AGW is happening pretty much as scientists say. Sensible. One thinks AGW is worse than scientists say. OK, dunno what brought about that decision.

One says the world is heating but its not AGW. Like to know what the reason for the heating is then.


Lees tries to obfuscate AGW facts and derail discussion on it. To no avail, most take the sensible decision that it is warming and it is due to GHGs that we emit. We have raised CO2 from 280ppm to 405ppm, a 40% increase. It takes real lack of intelligence to think all that carbon pollution does not change anything! It is idiotic to talk of Ice Age!

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Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9^th, 2017 at 3:37pm:

Interesting poll results. One brave charlie reckons we are in a Little Ice Age. An oil seed salesman told him so, apparently. One not very bright soul reckons the climate is the same as in 1900. That is clearly not true, it has warmed 1°C which has caused extreme weather, longer bushfire season etc. The bulk say AGW is happening pretty much as scientists say. Sensible. One thinks AGW is worse than scientists say. OK, dunno what brought about that decision. One says the world is heating but its not AGW. Like to know what the reason for the heating is then. Lees tries to obfuscate AGW facts and derail discussion on it. To no avail, most take the sensible decision that it is warming and it is due to GHGs that we emit. We have raised CO2 from 280ppm to 405ppm, a 40% increase. It takes real lack of intelligence to think all that carbon pollution does not change anything! It is idiotic to talk of Ice Age!

The poll only proves that most people have been successfully brainwashed.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9^th, 2017 at 3:37pm:

it has warmed 1°C which has caused extreme weather,

Proof? Extreme weather never happened before?


Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9^th, 2017 at 3:37pm:

longer bushfire season

Only if you ignore half the record. What was it they said? It had lengthened since 1970? Had it lengthened from 1850 to 1970? Had it shortened and then lengthened. or vice versa?

The report I quoted said about 25% of the time we have early fire seasons in Australia, since 1926.


Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9^th, 2017 at 3:37pm:

The bulk say AGW is happening pretty much as scientists say

Which is different to the bulk of scientists saying it. ;)  You listen to unknown bloggers opinions? :D :D :D :D :D


Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9^th, 2017 at 3:37pm:

One says the world is heating but its not AGW. Like to know what the reason for the heating is then.

Maybe it is the one the climate scientists say it isn't, but haven't proven it isn't. You know the one "natural variation". Although even the climate scientists admit to natural heating. What is it they say? More than half is due to mankind. So what is the other piece that is less than half? Where is the peer reviewed paper they are quoting? ;)

Bobby. wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 6:18pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 3:37pm: Interesting poll results. One brave charlie reckons we are in a Little Ice Age. An oil seed salesman told him so, apparently. One not very bright soul reckons the climate is the same as in 1900. That is clearly not true, it has warmed 1°C which has caused extreme weather, longer bushfire season etc. The bulk say AGW is happening pretty much as scientists say. Sensible. One thinks AGW is worse than scientists say. OK, dunno what brought about that decision. One says the world is heating but its not AGW. Like to know what the reason for the heating is then. Lees tries to obfuscate AGW facts and derail discussion on it. To no avail, most take the sensible decision that it is warming and it is due to GHGs that we emit. We have raised CO2 from 280ppm to 405ppm, a 40% increase. It takes real lack of intelligence to think all that carbon pollution does not change anything! It is idiotic to talk of Ice Age! The poll only proves that most people have been successfully brainwashed.

You would know all about being brainwashed, Sir Louse! Voluntarily let your brain be washed by an oil seed broker looking to make some easy bucks talking crap. I know it is brainwashing because you cannot really discuss the LIA rubbish and you can’t refute any critique of it.

A fox fell through the ice and was flash frozen? Really? Ice so thin it could not even support the weight of a fox and it was flash frozen? Total garbage fit to feed to idiots, right Sir Louse?

A lake in Melbourne turned pink. Ooohhhhhhh REEL PRUFE of an ice age, right Sir Louse?

Crap fit for idiots. Are you an idiot as well as rude bugger, Sir Louse?

JM, Where in the rubbish you spout is the control group? In this case the period before CAGW.

You would want to compare them; right? Otherwise how could you tell it was CAGW and not some other influence? ;)

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 12^th, 2017 at 7:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:18pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 3:37pm: Interesting poll results. One brave charlie reckons we are in a Little Ice Age. An oil seed salesman told him so, apparently. One not very bright soul reckons the climate is the same as in 1900. That is clearly not true, it has warmed 1°C which has caused extreme weather, longer bushfire season etc. The bulk say AGW is happening pretty much as scientists say. Sensible. One thinks AGW is worse than scientists say. OK, dunno what brought about that decision. One says the world is heating but its not AGW. Like to know what the reason for the heating is then. Lees tries to obfuscate AGW facts and derail discussion on it. To no avail, most take the sensible decision that it is warming and it is due to GHGs that we emit. We have raised CO2 from 280ppm to 405ppm, a 40% increase. It takes real lack of intelligence to think all that carbon pollution does not change anything! It is idiotic to talk of Ice Age! The poll only proves that most people have been successfully brainwashed. You would know all about being brainwashed, Sir Louse! Voluntarily let your brain be washed by an oil seed broker looking to make some easy bucks talking crap. I know it is brainwashing because you cannot really discuss the LIA rubbish and you can’t refute any critique of it. A fox fell through the ice and was flash frozen? Really? Ice so thin it could not even support the weight of a fox and it was flash frozen? Total garbage fit to feed to idiots, right Sir Louse? A lake in Melbourne turned pink. Ooohhhhhhh REEL PRUFE of an ice age, right Sir Louse? Crap fit for idiots. Are you an idiot as well as rude bugger, Sir Louse?

So Sir Louse, you prize Booby, care to show you are not brainwashed? Can you explain how a small animal like a fox can fall through very thin ice and then be “flash” frozen? Well, can you?

And can your Brainwashedness explain how a Melbourn lake turning pink “proves” we are in a LIA?

Since 2016 was the hottest year recorded, how are we in or entering an Ice Age?

Come on you brainwashed Booby, show you can still T H I N K !

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 12^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

Come on you brainwashed Booby, show you can still T H I N K !

Which is more than we can say for you. ;)

Sir Booby de Louse ran away.

Brave Sir Booby ran away, away
No I didn’t! Urgent business to take care of!

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 12^th, 2017 at 5:42pm:

Sir Booby de Louse ran away. Brave Sir Booby ran away, away No I didn’t! Urgent business to take care of!

Third childhood?

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 12^th, 2017 at 7:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:18pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 3:37pm: Interesting poll results. One brave charlie reckons we are in a Little Ice Age. An oil seed salesman told him so, apparently. One not very bright soul reckons the climate is the same as in 1900. That is clearly not true, it has warmed 1°C which has caused extreme weather, longer bushfire season etc. The bulk say AGW is happening pretty much as scientists say. Sensible. One thinks AGW is worse than scientists say. OK, dunno what brought about that decision. One says the world is heating but its not AGW. Like to know what the reason for the heating is then. Lees tries to obfuscate AGW facts and derail discussion on it. To no avail, most take the sensible decision that it is warming and it is due to GHGs that we emit. We have raised CO2 from 280ppm to 405ppm, a 40% increase. It takes real lack of intelligence to think all that carbon pollution does not change anything! It is idiotic to talk of Ice Age! The poll only proves that most people have been successfully brainwashed. You would know all about being brainwashed, Sir Louse! Voluntarily let your brain be washed by an oil seed broker looking to make some easy bucks talking crap. I know it is brainwashing because you cannot really discuss the LIA rubbish and you can’t refute any critique of it. A fox fell through the ice and was flash frozen? Really? Ice so thin it could not even support the weight of a fox and it was flash frozen? Total garbage fit to feed to idiots, right Sir Louse? A lake in Melbourne turned pink. Ooohhhhhhh REEL PRUFE of an ice age, right Sir Louse? Crap fit for idiots. Are you an idiot as well as rude bugger, Sir Louse?

So Sir Louse de Booby, your comment now you are back?

Booby clearly is brainwashed.

You said it yourself earlier Booby.  This period of warming is unusual.
Normally 10,000 yrs , but here we are, according to you at 12,000 yrs.

So, the current warming trend has already exceeded normality (according to you).
By 2000 years.

Golly gosh, I wonder what is different this time. Hmm?
What could it be?
:D :D :D

Emma wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 1:46am:

You said it yourself earlier Booby.  This period of warming is unusual. Normally 10,000 yrs , but here we are, according to you at 12,000 yrs. So, the current warming trend has already exceeded normality (according to you). By 2000 years. Golly gosh, I wonder what is different this time. Hmm? What could it be? :D :D :D

You do know it is not a metronomic 10,000 years; don't you. It varies out to 20,000 years. So it is not unprecedented.

"These warm periods, called interglacial periods, appear to last approximately 15,000 to 20,000 years before regressing back to a cold ice age climate. At year 18,000 and counting our current interglacial vacation from the Ice Age is much nearer its end than its beginning."

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

The figures are not exact.

So is it different this time?

u r telling the 'story'.
Booby said it was unusual. So, you disagree then.?

Emma wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 9:01pm:

u r telling the 'story'. Booby said it was unusual. So, you disagree then.?

Yes. But as i said the periodicity is not metronomic. They vary in length.

Perhaps you can define usual. ;)

not my problem darlink. ;D As I said you're the one telling the story.

Emma wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 11:42pm:

not my problem darlink. ;D As I said you're the one telling the story.

I'm just giving you what passes for data; without all the uncertainties of course.

The story is what you make of the data.;)

"Who could possibly have been measuring Global Mean Temperature (GMT) so accurately (±0.14°C) in 1880?"

"As one would expect, reliable data sets from the late 19th are sparse.

"How then to calculate GMT from such sparse data, which happens to be concentrated in North America and Europe?  Well the solution is not to calculate GMT from contemporary 1880 data but to reconstruct GMT by identifying correlations among modern geographic temperature data distributions and then projecting these same correlations backward onto the support of the relatively sparse empirical data available in earlier times."

"Thus, "climate change" alarmism is based on two mathematical models: 1) a statistical model that "reconstructs" historical data using modern correlations projected backward for 100 years onto the thin support of sparse empirical data sets available then; and 2) a "climate model" that uses this very same reconstructed historical data as key input data to project climate forward for the next 100 years."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/09/one_more_reason_to_distrust_gl.html#ixzz4eNhDfrpi

So that "data" from 1880 isn't data but a fabrication.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 10:47am:

We have a couple not very bright members saying we are in a Little Ice Age because, uh, sunspots. This is despite the sun being quiescent and the globe still heating up. We have plain old deniers like Lees and Greg. We have those who read the science and can see AGW in action. Doubtless other views. So, I will set up a poll, as fair as I can make it, no meaningless choices etc. Please vote and discuss why you voted as you did.

I'm not a denier: I'm completely open-minded when it comes to AGW (AGW disciples are closed-minded).

So far, though, there's not enough credible, reliable evidence to support the hypothesis.

If that changes in the future, I'm willing to look at the new data.

And, having a poll on AGW is hilarious.

Science isn't about winning popularity contests.

lee wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 11:14am:

Emma wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 1:46am: You said it yourself earlier Booby.  This period of warming is unusual. Normally 10,000 yrs , but here we are, according to you at 12,000 yrs. So, the current warming trend has already exceeded normality (according to you). By 2000 years. Golly gosh, I wonder what is different this time. Hmm? What could it be? :D :D :D You do know it is not a metronomic 10,000 years; don't you. It varies out to 20,000 years. So it is not unprecedented. "These warm periods, called interglacial periods, appear to last approximately 15,000 to 20,000 years before regressing back to a cold ice age climate. At year 18,000 and counting our current interglacial vacation from the Ice Age is much nearer its end than its beginning." http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html The figures are not exact. So is it different this time?

Hi lee,
Yes - so we are right at the end of the interglacial period.
The scary part is that a full ice age can hit in only 3 years.
Scientists in the Antarctic have evidence of that from ice drilling cores.

I posted the evidence once on the mini ice age thread.

You have never, ever posted “evidence” in the ridiculous LIA thread. Stupid, lying videos yes, evidence no.

If “scientists in the Antarctic” reckon a full blown Ice Age can be here in three years there would be papers you can find (or find the abstracts anyway.) So, there you go, Sir Booby the Louse, go find some papers/abstracts showing that Ice Ages can arise in 3 years.

Might also see what 40% more CO2 in the atmosphere than for several million years would do to an Ice Age.

Away you go.

Oh, No. it is that little "look at me" fellow again. ;)

The one who has never heard of the 60-70's global cooling scare. ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Apr 18^th, 2017 at 10:37am:

Oh, No. it is that little "look at me" fellow again. ;) The one who has never heard of the 60-70's global cooling scare. ;D ;D ;D

You mean the fake news one  ;D

lee wrote on Apr 18^th, 2017 at 10:37am:

Oh, No. it is that little "look at me" fellow again. ;) The one who has never heard of the 60-70's global cooling scare. ;D ;D ;D

Have heard of it now else I could not have mentioned it. Really, Liar Lees, do apply some elementary logic to your babblings.

TheFunPolice wrote on Apr 18^th, 2017 at 10:41pm:

lee wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 10:37am: Oh, No. it is that little "look at me" fellow again. ;) The one who has never heard of the 60-70's global cooling scare. ;D ;D ;D You mean the fake news one  ;D

Obviously you didn't follow the links. How surprising? ;)

YAWN. Oh how tiresome is this?

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