Quote:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-21/turnbull-denies-bowing-to-the-right-on-18c/8372186

The only thing I would change is to make it much easier to toss out frivolous claims at threshold...at no cost to anyone.  Even Lawyers to be barred from being involved at that level.

I do hope they havent ruled out FILTHY BOONGS though

got to admit thats the worst thing I have ever heard...

the only place I ever heard it is at ozpol...so sad.. who would have thought a member would bring this place down so low.. :( :( :( :(

Burkee just wrecks the libtards with this brilliant debate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55dmGh_aqOQ

It is really simple.  These pricks want to be racially abusive and insulting.

Nah.

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 8:03pm:

It is really simple.  These pricks want to be racially abusive and insulting. Nah.

As Ms Aly says , what do you want to say you can't now ?  :-/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtlNKDpmqB8

Yes Ms Aly , a very good question indeed

Turnbull has stuffed this up because he cannot defend his position and his argument is piss weak....Whilst I think 18c should be abolished altogether along with many other prohibitive laws Malcolm Turnbull just can't sell bigotry!!!

::) ::) ::)

And to think they chose Harmony Day to announce this publicly...

I know right wing populism is starting to gain traction around the world, but they could have at least chose a more appropriate day to re-ignite the conversation.

I've been shocked how much intolerance and racism is on display on these forums, so it's no surprise that plenty of people on here will support these changes and would see it as a free speech issue, even if they have no idea how the act works or that 18D provisions immediately following the one the Government want to change.

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 5:02pm:

Quote: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-21/turnbull-denies-bowing-to-the-right-on-18c/8372186 The only thing I would change is to make it much easier to toss out frivolous claims at threshold...at no cost to anyone.  Even Lawyers to be barred from being involved at that level.

No-one pays much attention to the majority of cases in which Section 18C is invoked. The heat is always at the margins – stoked by media interest because of the identity of an alleged perpetrator (the Andrew Bolt case from 2011 being a prime example), or because the case is regarded as linking up a wider agenda around “political correctness”.

It is much harder to perpetuate the myth that 18C threatens the foundations of Australian democracy (and so must be repealed), if the more typical cases are considered. These included:

Cases involving holocaust denial and anti-Semitism;

A case in which Aboriginal youths killed in a car accident were described as “criminal trash” and “scum” that should be used as “land fill”; and

A case in which an Aboriginal women and her family were subjected to an torrent of abuse, including being called including “n.iggers”, “c.oons”, “black mole”, “black bastards” and “lying black mole c.unt”.

There was also a case in which a man who was simply doing his job as a security officer at a public building was called a “Singaporean prick”, and echoing the classic retort of xenophobic exclusion that has been slung at numerous immigrant communities: “go back to Singapore”.

There is another point that often gets lost in the debate over 18C. As far as legal regulation goes, the regime contained in the Racial Discrimination Act is one of the more modest forms of state intervention. The Human Rights Commission is a neutral facilitator, not an enforcer. And, wherever possible, the aim is to resolve things via conciliation.

Only a very small number of cases ever make their way to the court system. Even where a complaint is upheld, the remedies are hardly draconian. Damages are rarely awarded (and if they are, the amount is modest), and no-one is convicted or goes to prison – because 18C does not create a criminal offence.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 7:53am:

I know right wing populism is starting to gain traction around the world

not so sure about that. Here's an interesting read!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-18/populist-politics-is-this-the-beginning-of-the-end/8365408

Its time wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 8:58pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtlNKDpmqB8 Yes Ms Aly , a very good question indeed

I don't know, maybe being able to say that segregating Aborigines from everyone else is unfair, and not having to go through a court case lasting four years after saying it?  ::)

Abolish 18c and allow complete free speech. Coons and homos deserve to be hated on anyway.

matty wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 11:14am:

Its time wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 8:58pm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtlNKDpmqB8 Yes Ms Aly , a very good question indeed I don't know, maybe being able to say that segregating Aborigines from everyone else is unfair, and not having to go through a court case lasting four years after saying it?  ::)

nothing stopping you from saying that now is there?  :D :D

cods wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 5:17pm:

I do hope they havent ruled out FILTHY BOONGS though got to admit thats the worst thing I have ever heard... the only place I ever heard it is at ozpol...so sad.. who would have thought a member would bring this place down so low.. :( :( :( :(

What's filthy about being a boong? (tongue in cheek)...

Surprising the libs want to revisit this again , much like any of their policies its like a dog returning to its vomit

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 5:02pm:

Quote: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-21/turnbull-denies-bowing-to-the-right-on-18c/8372186 The only thing I would change is to make it much easier to toss out frivolous claims at threshold...at no cost to anyone.  Even Lawyers to be barred from being involved at that level.

Well said. Especially get rid of the lawyers.

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 9:13pm:

Turnbull has stuffed this up because he cannot defend his position and his argument is piss weak....Whilst I think 18c should be abolished altogether along with many other prohibitive laws Malcolm Turnbull just can't sell bigotry!!! ::) ::) ::)

Post of the Day.

John Smith wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 11:22am:

matty wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 11:14am: Its time wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 8:58pm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtlNKDpmqB8 Yes Ms Aly , a very good question indeed I don't know, maybe being able to say that segregating Aborigines from everyone else is unfair, and not having to go through a court case lasting four years after saying it?  ::) nothing stopping you from saying that now is there?  :D :D

How about the fact that seven young men were sued for it at the QUT? I watched The Bolt Report last night and one of them was on there and you could see the toll that it took on him. That fat batch Cindy Prior meanwhile, apparently went broke through it so there no winners. Not that she has any of my sympathy, she did it to herself so deserves everything that she gets. Those young men on the other hand did nothing wrong yet it obviously took a huge toll on them so they have my sympathy.

Which is why I say that the only change to the Legislation ought be to have a threshold filtration system to sort of obvious vexatious claims immediately and at no cost.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 7:53am:

And to think they chose Harmony Day to announce this publicly...

It's a very appropriate day to announce this. People swearing at wogs and blacks are now in harmony with the law.  :)


ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 7:53am:

I've been shocked how much intolerance and racism is on display on these forums, so it's no surprise that plenty of people on here will support these changes and would see it as a free speech issue, even if they have no idea how the act works or that 18D provisions immediately following the one the Government want to change.

Being aggressively critical of someone because of his colour, is racism. Being aggressively critical of someone because of his culture or religion is most definitely not racism despite what today's liberal-Lefty luvvies will tell you.

In my day racism was entirely based upon colour and appearance - and not ethnicity, culture, or religion. It was only later that the Leftwing broadened the goalposts to include just about any criticism of people who are not of white, Christian background.

Aussie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 1:09pm:

Which is why I say that the only change to the Legislation ought be to have a threshold filtration system to sort of obvious vexatious claims immediately and at no cost.

Post of the Day.  8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 1:28pm:

In my day racism was entirely based upon colour and appearance - and not ethnicity, culture, or religion. It was only later that the Leftwing broadened the goalposts to include just about any criticism of people who are not of white, Christian background.

Come on mate, you're playing a game of semantics to justify your own bigotry at best. 

It may not fit the definition of "racism" of old, but it is intolerance and discrimination nonetheless.  It's a no brainer that this should be unacceptable in most circumstances, but that would require equality for everyone, something the likes of you see as oppression and want to fight against. 

That's your failing, not anyone elses.

You can complain about the snowflakes and luvvies all you like or look back at how things were in your day, but the reality is things change.

You can't simply get a job by turning up anymore, and at the same time, a Uni degree won't get you a job anymore either.  The world has changed and continues to do so.  We should not forget the past, there are valuable lesson there, but just because things are tough now is no reason to regress and go backwards with solutions and "in my days" that can't possible work in the current landscape. 

That's an important point that just doesn't seem to penetrate into the die hard conservative crowds.  But luckily those types generally don't have long left on this earth anyway.

I understand wanting things to stay the same or be like they were is the cornerstone of conservatism, but just because that resonates with you personally doesn't make it right.

We should as a society be able to have an intellectual debate on any topic and it should not be subject to censorship or punishment in anyway, but discrimination based on race, religion, culture, skin colour, gender, sexual orientation, whatever, despite how normalised it seems in these forum, it should have no place in our society.

18C and D are not issues of free speech but do look like it for those who do want to discriminate on the basis of race, religion, culture etc etc.

The last big name to fall foul of these provisions was Andrew Bolt, but he's no champion of free speech.  He was found guilty because he was a lying sack of poo and his article held no basis in reality.

And even if he was "unfairly prosecuted", his free speech was not curtailed one bit.  His original article is still online and he has more outlets that publish his works than ever before.

I'm open to being convinced otherwise, but it would take some actual evidence that a change is required and the dangers of leaving things the way it is would outweigh the dangers of changing it in order for me to support such.

That hasn't happened, not even once yet in all the years since these changes keep getting brought into the spotlight by the right wing nutters and their supporters.

If you think you can explain how, please, be my guest.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 1:46pm:

Come on mate, you're playing a game of semantics to justify your own bigotry at best.  It may not fit the definition of "racism" of old, but it is intolerance and discrimination nonetheless.

You haven't been in this forum long enough. I wholeheartedly believe in 'intolerance' and 'discrimination' when it comes to the religious beliefs, social values, and cultural practices of immigrant Third World foreigners in my own British homeland of Australia.


ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 1:46pm:

That's an important point that just doesn't seem to penetrate into the die hard conservative crowds.  But luckily those types generally don't have long left on this earth anyway.

;D ;D ;D

Just when you were doing so well from your Moral High Ground you then went and stepped into that steaming pile of fascist hypocrisy!


ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 1:46pm:

I understand wanting things to stay the same or be like they were is the cornerstone of conservatism, but just because that resonates with you personally doesn't make it right.

It doesn't make it wrong either.


ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 1:46pm:

discrimination based on race, religion, culture, skin colour, gender, sexual orientation, whatever, despite how normalised it seems in these forum, it should have no place in our society.

You're advocating for a Big Brother fantasy here, and the elimination of national identities as being inherently 'racist' and 'discriminatory' against the immigrant minorities.


ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 1:46pm:

And even if he was "unfairly prosecuted", his free speech was not curtailed one bit.  His original article is still online and he has more outlets that publish his works than ever before.

His viewpoint was unassailable on the question of whites jumping on the bandwagon of aboriginal freebies and exemptions.

matty wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 12:55pm:

How about the fact that seven young men were sued for it at the QUT? I watched The Bolt Report last night and one of them was on there and you could see the toll that it took on him.

If he was worried about the toll why say it. The big problem with those who want to defend free speech is that they are only worried about themselves and their right to free speech.

The other big problem is that people forget that with the right to free speech, comes the responsibility to think before you do. Bolt fails on this on numerous occasions.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 2:21pm:

matty wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 12:55pm: How about the fact that seven young men were sued for it at the QUT? I watched The Bolt Report last night and one of them was on there and you could see the toll that it took on him. If he was worried about the toll why say it. The big problem with those who want to defend free speech is that they are only worried about themselves and their right to free speech. The other big problem is that people forget that with the right to free speech, comes the responsibility to think before you do. Bolt fails on this on numerous occasions.

Why say it? Maybe because he thinks that it's unfair and discriminatory to have a computer room only for Aborigines? Maybe because merely expressing that view should not land someone in a court room?

And no, with free speech comes no responsibility, free speech with caveat or qualification is thereby not actually free speech. Unless you are referring to an ethical or moral responsibility??

Quote:

RACIAL DISCRIMINATION ACT 1975 - SECT 18D Exemptions                    Section 18C does not render unlawful anything said or done reasonably and in good faith:                      (a)  in the performance, exhibition or distribution of an artistic work; or                      (b)  in the course of any statement, publication, discussion or debate made or held for any genuine academic, artistic or scientific purpose or any other genuine purpose in the public interest; or                      (c)  in making or publishing:                               (i)  a fair and accurate report of any event or matter of public interest; or                              (ii)  a fair comment on any event or matter of public interest if the comment is an expression of a genuine belief held by the person making the comment.

If you can't defend what you have said with any of the above ......... sorry what you've said makes you a racist bigot with nothing to add to anything.

There was no need to change anything, Turnbull caved YET AGAIN to those indebted to Bolt
Plus it's almost as good a SSM for diverting attention away from things that actually matter like energy policy

The problem with restricting any form of speech is that it does not change the beliefs or positions held by those who are being silenced....All it does is drive it underground where like minded people will feel alienated and disenfranchised from society and ferment those views....When people are allowed to vent their anger and frustration in a heated debate views can be challenged and debated instead of howled down by political correctness....Nothing changes without reason???

:-? :-? :-?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 2:21pm:

The other big problem is that people forget that with the right to free speech, comes the responsibility to think before you do. Bolt fails on this on numerous occasions.

The other thing people seem to forget is that the Government are claiming there is a restriction on free speech in the same week one of their Ministers was telling business leaders not to give their opinion on Same Sex Marriage and "stick to their knitting".

They only like free speech when it suits them and Turnbull is weak as piss for backing down to the far right nutters on this.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 6:08pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 2:21pm: The other big problem is that people forget that with the right to free speech, comes the responsibility to think before you do. Bolt fails on this on numerous occasions. The other thing people seem to forget is that the Government are claiming there is a restriction on free speech in the same week one of their Ministers was telling business leaders not to give their opinion on Same Sex Marriage and "stick to their knitting". They only like free speech when it suits them and Turnbull is weak as piss for backing down to the far right nutters on this.

Not entirely true Mr Kangaroo.  Dutton was pissed, not about what Joyce said, but because Joyce associated the QANTAS brand to what he said.

I can see Dutton's point, but he is an arsehole hypocrite.  If Joyce was lauding the Libs using the QANTAS brand, he'd be lapping it up.

I see no mention of the three students who accidentally wandered into an INDIGENOUS ONLY LAB who were confronted, probably abused, ( but thats ok they are white and we all know you can insult white people whenever you like) they posted an (insulting possibly racist remark) which some bleeding heart Aboriginal lass took $250,000,00 worth of offense and took them to court.

These three students settled out of court because.
1) they were broke students and could not afford to
2) because they knew the system would go against them.
2) they knew their names would be kicked around and it could ruin their careers

The lass came out with some free grog money
She stll had her (INDIGENOUS ONLY LAB) and tge three students were suitably chastied and now in more debt
And the politically correct nazis cried out in glee.

What a crok of shite
Firstly
Motheaten will deny that the Aboriginals ever get any special treatment etc etc, and yot once again we have an indiginious only lab, imagine if it were a white only lab?

Secondly
Why do our black (or predominanty white now) bretheren require their own SPECIAL lab?

Lastly
One can not give offence, one must take offence
And these days there is a whole industry around this hurt feeling exercise in legal thefth
Im offended by many of the activitie, statements and accusations levelled at my race by any number of groups
But I also know that white people cannot be offended, no mater what is said to or about us.

This law sucks like a jet engine intake
It needs to be changed
But the bleeding hearts will continue to scream
Racist
Bigot
Islamaphobe

The world of logic, fair play, honesty and equal rites is so far skewed to the left that its now totally F#€KED

Not worth spending the limited political capital over this.
At least with same sex marriage you could improve the economy by having more people having wedding ceremonies etc.

stunspore wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 6:47pm:

Not worth spending the limited political capital over this. At least with same sex marriage you could improve the economy by having more people having wedding ceremonies etc.

Saw Sen. Lambie on TV saying that not one Tasmanian has raised 18C with her.  I'll bet that's the same with pretty much all MPs.  This is 'Bolt' driven garbage.  Ferk him.

Aussie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 6:54pm:

stunspore wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 6:47pm: Not worth spending the limited political capital over this. At least with same sex marriage you could improve the economy by having more people having wedding ceremonies etc. Saw Sen. Lambie on TV saying that not one Tasmanian has raised 18C with her.  I'll bet that's the same with pretty much all MPs.  This is 'Bolt' driven garbage.  Ferk him.

The political scenery is moving Right after decades of limp-wristed Leftwing betrayal of Western societies through mass and indiscriminate immigration.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 7:43pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 6:54pm: stunspore wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 6:47pm: Not worth spending the limited political capital over this. At least with same sex marriage you could improve the economy by having more people having wedding ceremonies etc. Saw Sen. Lambie on TV saying that not one Tasmanian has raised 18C with her.  I'll bet that's the same with pretty much all MPs.  This is 'Bolt' driven garbage.  Ferk him. The political scenery is moving Right after decades of limp-wristed Leftwing betrayal of Western societies through mass and indiscriminate immigration.

And that has what to do with 18C?

Aussie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 7:45pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 7:43pm: The political scenery is moving Right after decades of limp-wristed Leftwing betrayal of Western societies through mass and indiscriminate immigration. And that has what to do with 18C?

Repeat : 'The political scenery is moving Right ....'

Aussie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 7:45pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 7:43pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 6:54pm: stunspore wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 6:47pm: Not worth spending the limited political capital over this. At least with same sex marriage you could improve the economy by having more people having wedding ceremonies etc. Saw Sen. Lambie on TV saying that not one Tasmanian has raised 18C with her.  I'll bet that's the same with pretty much all MPs.  This is 'Bolt' driven garbage.  Ferk him. The political scenery is moving Right after decades of limp-wristed Leftwing betrayal of Western societies through mass and indiscriminate immigration. And that has what to do with 18C?

Nothing , but when your a full blown rwnj tunnel vision syndrome kicks in and becomes all about skin colour

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 7:45pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 7:43pm: The political scenery is moving Right after decades of limp-wristed Leftwing betrayal of Western societies through mass and indiscriminate immigration. And that has what to do with 18C? Repeat : 'The political scenery is moving Right ....'

Sure....that's why the Libs are still led by Abbott.

Aussie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 7:59pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 7:56pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 7:45pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 7:43pm: The political scenery is moving Right after decades of limp-wristed Leftwing betrayal of Western societies through mass and indiscriminate immigration. And that has what to do with 18C? Repeat : 'The political scenery is moving Right ....' Sure....that's why the Libs are still led by Abbott.

And the libs , and dumb nation , were absolutely annihilated in WA  :)

Aussie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 7:59pm:

Sure....that's why the Libs are still led by Abbott.

Abbott was a gutless wimp for reneging on 18C which he said would upset the Muslim community ~ that's 2.4% of our total population. Abbott was the one who chased Hanson into prison. He made it his personal mission. A 'faux' conservative with bells on.

Aussie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 7:45pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 7:43pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 6:54pm: stunspore wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 6:47pm: Not worth spending the limited political capital over this. At least with same sex marriage you could improve the economy by having more people having wedding ceremonies etc. Saw Sen. Lambie on TV saying that not one Tasmanian has raised 18C with her.  I'll bet that's the same with pretty much all MPs.  This is 'Bolt' driven garbage.  Ferk him. The political scenery is moving Right after decades of limp-wristed Leftwing betrayal of Western societies through mass and indiscriminate immigration. And that has what to do with 18C?

Nothing and it isn't even true, we have been slowly but surely moving to the right for decades. There was a time when the Liberals were a moderate right party and Labor was actually a bit to the left, now we have labor at the centre right and the Liberals a bit on the nutty right side of the paddock.

Aussie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 1:09pm:

Which is why I say that the only change to the Legislation ought be to have a threshold filtration system to sort of obvious vexatious claims immediately and at no cost.

Yep that would fix it.

Its time wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 8:02pm:

Sure....that's why the Libs are still led by Abbott. And the libs , and dumb nation , were absolutely annihilated in WA  :)

It was the Time Factor that got the Libs put into retirement. They had become tired and jaded and too comfortable with just plodding along in a semi-comatose state of complacency.

It's good that there's been a change.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 7:59pm: Sure....that's why the Libs are still led by Abbott. Abbott was a gutless wimp for reneging on 18C which he said would upset the Muslim community ~ that's 2.4% of our total population. Abbott was the one who chased Hanson into prison. He made it his personal mission. A 'faux' conservative with bells on.

So whats Turnbull

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 7:59pm: Sure....that's why the Libs are still led by Abbott. Abbott was a gutless wimp for reneging on 18C which he said would upset the Muslim community ~ that's 2.4% of our total population. Abbott was the one who chased Hanson into prison. He made it his personal mission. A 'faux' conservative with bells on.

Abbott was always an out there way to the right nutter of the first class.

he got rid of Hanson because it was politically expedient and it allowed the Liberals to take the popular racial low ground. It was never that they didn't like one nation policies they liked them too much.

Aussie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 6:54pm:

stunspore wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 6:47pm: Not worth spending the limited political capital over this. At least with same sex marriage you could improve the economy by having more people having wedding ceremonies etc. Saw Sen. Lambie on TV saying that not one Tasmanian has raised 18C with her.  I'll bet that's the same with pretty much all MPs.  This is 'Bolt' driven garbage.  Ferk him.

Bolt should wake up to himself he got off lightly.

Its time wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 8:18pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 8:07pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 7:59pm: Sure....that's why the Libs are still led by Abbott. Abbott was a gutless wimp for reneging on 18C which he said would upset the Muslim community ~ that's 2.4% of our total population. Abbott was the one who chased Hanson into prison. He made it his personal mission. A 'faux' conservative with bells on. So whats Turnbull

Turnbull has been surprising me in direct proportion to disappointing the International Socialists who work for our National Broadcaster the ABC, and the 'Wogs-R-Us' mob down at the SBS offices.

I thought he was going to wimp-out after his assassination of faux conservative Tony Abbott who ultimately proved himself to be full of shìt when it came to 18c and other matters, but instead he's been demonstrating a surprising willingness to keep the Rightwing faction of the Liberal Party fairly happy and satisfied that their wishes are not being ignored.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 1:46pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 1:28pm: In my day racism was entirely based upon colour and appearance - and not ethnicity, culture, or religion. It was only later that the Leftwing broadened the goalposts to include just about any criticism of people who are not of white, Christian background. Come on mate, you're playing a game of semantics to justify your own bigotry at best.

I'm still chuckling over your 'game of semantics' gambit here.


Quote:

'A gambit is a chess opening in which a player, more often White, sacrifices material, usually a pawn, with the hope of achieving a resulting advantageous ...'

;D

What I said was no 'game of semantics' but a clear reporting of actual facts which you dismissed with cavalier hauteur as not supporting your preferred delusion that 'racism' includes religion, culture, and nationality.

What more evidence do you need that when choosing people to come migrate to your ancestral homeland make sure you discriminate with your immigration policy in order to prevent voluntary racial apartheid once they are here.

This picture is why I am a racist so far as immigration policy is concerned.

link

(Be patient. The "Yes but" people will be here soon enough)

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 6:19am:

Its time wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 8:18pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 8:07pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 7:59pm: Sure....that's why the Libs are still led by Abbott. Abbott was a gutless wimp for reneging on 18C which he said would upset the Muslim community ~ that's 2.4% of our total population. Abbott was the one who chased Hanson into prison. He made it his personal mission. A 'faux' conservative with bells on. So whats Turnbull Turnbull has been surprising me in direct proportion to disappointing the International Socialists who work for our National Broadcaster the ABC, and the 'Wogs-R-Us' mob down at the SBS offices. I thought he was going to wimp-out after his assassination of faux conservative Tony Abbott who ultimately proved himself to be full of shìt when it came to 18c and other matters, but instead he's been demonstrating a surprising willingness to keep the Rightwing faction of the Liberal Party fairly happy and satisfied that their wishes are not being ignored.

Was this before or after Bernadi deserted libtards  :)

Its time wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 7:16am:

Was this before or after Bernadi deserted libtards  :)

Good morning, Leftwinger - thank you for not disappointing me.  :)

Bernadi seems to have disappeared down a hole like Alice in Wonderland, a case of unintended self-immolation or terminal auto-eroticism as we've rarely seen before.

He called - and no one rallied. A shooting star across the night sky that has burned up in a blaze of terminal glory, never to be seen again.

How embarrassing.

I still have hopes that Paul Keating look-alike Peter Dutton will one day become our PM. Read my lips ... He is the ONLY one who acts upon what he says. Like him or hate him, he's no bullshit artist when it comes to implementing his programs.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 7:40am:

Its time wrote on Mar 23rd, 2017 at 7:16am: Was this before or after Bernadi deserted libtards  :) Good morning, Leftwinger - thank you for not disappointing me.  :) Bernadi seems to have disappeared down a hole like Alice in Wonderland, a case of unintended self-immolation or terminal auto-eroticism as we've rarely seen before. He called - and no one rallied. A shooting star across the night sky that has burned up in a blaze of terminal glory, never to be seen again. How embarrassing. I still have hopes that Paul Keating look-alike Peter Dutton will one day become our PM. Read my lips ... He is the ONLY one who acts upon what he says. Like him or hate him, he's no bullshit artist when it comes to implementing his programs.

You were just talking up Turnbull post before , didn't take long to jump to Dutton mate   ;)

Its time wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 9:02am:

You were just talking up Turnbull post before , didn't take long to jump to Dutton mate   ;)

None of them have immunity against my criticism.

Malcolm Turnbull has responded swiftly to the growing energy crisis gripping parts of the nation, promising to overhaul section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act as soon as possible.
In a joint press conference with Attorney General George Brandis, Mr Turnbull said Australians were rightly concerned about energy security and the effects of climate change, and that it was therefore incumbent on his government to ensure that racial minorities could be insulted.
“At pubs, in kitchens and at BBQs around the country people are talking about electricity, they’re talking about the cost of living, they’re talking about job security. So we need to take significant steps to ensure it’s easier for people to use racially-charged language,” he said.

It's not a political mess its just a lack of common-sense.
Laws should never be subjective in nature, this one is a doozey.

Allow the changes Paterson supports and it will be common-sense and workable.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 7:40am:

Its time wrote on Mar 23rd, 2017 at 7:16am: Was this before or after Bernadi deserted libtards  :) Good morning, Leftwinger - thank you for not disappointing me.  :) Bernadi seems to have disappeared down a hole like Alice in Wonderland, a case of unintended self-immolation or terminal auto-eroticism as we've rarely seen before. He called - and no one rallied. A shooting star across the night sky that has burned up in a blaze of terminal glory, never to be seen again. How embarrassing. I still have hopes that Paul Keating look-alike Peter Dutton will one day become our PM. Read my lips ... He is the ONLY one who acts upon what he says. Like him or hate him, he's no bullshit artist when it comes to implementing his programs.

Peter Dutton will one day become our PM

You have to wonder why Liberal supporters prefer dumb leaders ?

Its time wrote on Mar 24^th, 2017 at 7:21am:

Malcolm Turnbull has responded swiftly to the growing energy crisis gripping parts of the nation, promising to overhaul section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act as soon as possible. In a joint press conference with Attorney General George Brandis, Mr Turnbull said Australians were rightly concerned about energy security and the effects of climate change, and that it was therefore incumbent on his government to ensure that racial minorities could be insulted. “At pubs, in kitchens and at BBQs around the country people are talking about electricity, they’re talking about the cost of living, they’re talking about job security. So we need to take significant steps to ensure it’s easier for people to use racially-charged language,” he said.

Are the country folks also talking about $100 lamb as well?  Typical lib trash talk.

stunspore wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 8:26am:

Its time wrote on Mar 24th, 2017 at 7:21am: Malcolm Turnbull has responded swiftly to the growing energy crisis gripping parts of the nation, promising to overhaul section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act as soon as possible. In a joint press conference with Attorney General George Brandis, Mr Turnbull said Australians were rightly concerned about energy security and the effects of climate change, and that it was therefore incumbent on his government to ensure that racial minorities could be insulted. “At pubs, in kitchens and at BBQs around the country people are talking about electricity, they’re talking about the cost of living, they’re talking about job security. So we need to take significant steps to ensure it’s easier for people to use racially-charged language,” he said. Are the country folks also talking about $100 lamb as well?  Typical lib trash talk.

The Libs will deliver on $100 lamb legs with their FTA

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 7:04am:

What I said was no 'game of semantics' but a clear reporting of actual facts which you dismissed with cavalier hauteur as not supporting your preferred delusion that 'racism' includes religion, culture, and nationality.

I take it then that you didn't read the rest of the post.

By 'actual facts' I assume you mean only the ones that suit you argument or allow you to dismiss the concerns of others?

Bravo.

Dnarever wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 8:04am:

You have to wonder why Liberal supporters prefer dumb leaders ?

" ....  prefer dumb leaders".

Lift your game, please, DNA.

Its time wrote on Mar 24^th, 2017 at 7:21am:

Malcolm Turnbull has responded swiftly to the growing energy crisis gripping parts of the nation, promising to overhaul section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act as soon as possible. In a joint press conference with Attorney General George Brandis, Mr Turnbull said Australians were rightly concerned about energy security and the effects of climate change, and that it was therefore incumbent on his government to ensure that racial minorities could be insulted. “At pubs, in kitchens and at BBQs around the country people are talking about electricity, they’re talking about the cost of living, they’re talking about job security. So we need to take significant steps to ensure it’s easier for people to use racially-charged language,” he said.

And after the bbq one will make a relatively lame comment on facebook and for the next 4 years they will be subject to 18c and legal costs you cant jump over, finally found innocent. Bit like a handful of qld students.

Grow up. Your low brow level of understanding is not required to fix/abolish this mess.

Its time wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 8:38am:

stunspore wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:26am: Its time wrote on Mar 24th, 2017 at 7:21am: Malcolm Turnbull has responded swiftly to the growing energy crisis gripping parts of the nation, promising to overhaul section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act as soon as possible. In a joint press conference with Attorney General George Brandis, Mr Turnbull said Australians were rightly concerned about energy security and the effects of climate change, and that it was therefore incumbent on his government to ensure that racial minorities could be insulted. “At pubs, in kitchens and at BBQs around the country people are talking about electricity, they’re talking about the cost of living, they’re talking about job security. So we need to take significant steps to ensure it’s easier for people to use racially-charged language,” he said. Are the country folks also talking about $100 lamb as well?  Typical lib trash talk. The Libs will deliver on $100 lamb legs with their FTA

Well given they only "done" beef so far, maybe $100 steaks?

Only seven months ago, Turnbull was telling us that 18C was not a priority of Government.  The Libs did not even take any change to 18C to the electorate in the last election.  Turnbull was then talking about 'softening' 18C, and is now stupidly ranting that Government has moved to strengthen it.  What a farce.  What happened in the interim, Turnbull.  Bill Leak tossed in his chips.  Is that it?  Far cough.

Link.

Who is threatening to leave libs this time ?

Aussie wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 1:16pm:

Only seven months ago, Turnbull was telling us that 18C was not a priority of Government.  The Libs did not even take any change to 18C to the electorate in the last election.  Turnbull was then talking about 'softening' 18C, and is now stupidly ranting that Government has moved to strengthen it.  What a farce.  What happened in the interim, Turnbull.  Bill Leak tossed in his chips.  Is that it?  Far cough. Link.

Never mind '18c' - what the government should be doing instead is to cancel the deceitful Lefty re-definition of the word 'race' which they've been peddling incorrectly as referring to ethnicity, culture, and religion.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 1:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 1:16pm: Only seven months ago, Turnbull was telling us that 18C was not a priority of Government.  The Libs did not even take any change to 18C to the electorate in the last election.  Turnbull was then talking about 'softening' 18C, and is now stupidly ranting that Government has moved to strengthen it.  What a farce.  What happened in the interim, Turnbull.  Bill Leak tossed in his chips.  Is that it?  Far cough. Link. Never mind '18c' - what the government should be doing instead is to cancel the deceitful Lefty re-definition of the word 'race' which they've been peddling incorrectly as referring to ethnicity, culture, and religion.

Herbert....Herbert......Herbert:

Have you read 18C?


Quote:

Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 deals with offensive behaviour "because of race, colour or national or ethnic origin" in Australia.

Which words would you like deleted?

Aussie wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 1:45pm:

Herbert....Herbert......Herbert: Have you read 18C? Quote: Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 deals with offensive behaviour "because of race, colour or national or ethnic origin" in Australia. Which words would you like deleted?

You've just confirmed what I said.

Race has absolutely bugger-all to do with ethnicity or what country you come from.

Calling me a "Pommy bastard" is not racism.

It was the Lefties who widened the goal posts to include these supplementary additions to the original meaning of the word.

"You f***ing black bastard" is racism.

"You bugger Lebanese Muslim bastard" is not racism.

A noted bigot telling us all off for preventing him from being bigotted.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

I wonder what word he wants deleted from that expression.  He did everything except say so.

Aussie wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 3:38pm:

I wonder what word he wants deleted from that expression.  He did everything except say so.

You've forgotten, Herbie is a king troll, Aussie.   He doesn't care about 18C.  He just wants to troll...   ::) ::)

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 8:55am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:04am: You have to wonder why Liberal supporters prefer dumb leaders ? " ....  prefer dumb leaders". Lift your game, please, DNA.

I would think it is you who need to lift your game recommending someone as poor quality as Dutton , really.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 3:38pm: I wonder what word he wants deleted from that expression.  He did everything except say so. You've forgotten, Herbie is a king troll, Aussie.   He doesn't care about 18C.  He just wants to troll...   ::) ::)

I know....but in the fullness of time, by the end of the day, he will have to provide the specific answer.

There was a recent recommendation to have a vetting process at the start to remove vexatious complaints and those with no chance of success. This seems sensible to me and about all that needs to be fixed with the legislation.

Dnarever wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

There was a recent recommendation to have a vetting process at the start to remove vexatious complaints and those with no chance of success. This seems sensible to me and about all that needs to be fixed with the legislation.

What this change has exposed is the sheer volume of whinging and whining ethnics, blacks, and Muslims who have been greedily hoping to be awarded fat cheques from the courts as victims of 18c.

Dnarever wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

There was a recent recommendation to have a vetting process at the start to remove vexatious complaints and those with no chance of success. This seems sensible to me and about all that needs to be fixed with the legislation.

No. The Act is clearly duplicitous,  vague and too easily corrupted. Scrap it. Sack the lot. Burn down their offices. Salt the earth.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 8:12pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 7:44pm: There was a recent recommendation to have a vetting process at the start to remove vexatious complaints and those with no chance of success. This seems sensible to me and about all that needs to be fixed with the legislation. What this change has exposed is the sheer volume of whinging and whining ethnics, blacks, and Muslims who have been greedily hoping to be awarded fat cheques from the courts as victims of 18c.

You know there have been about 15 cases in the last 20 years ??? The  sheer volume is frightening.

Less than 5% of cases make it to court and the majority are unsuccessful. 

Interestingly a number of cases have been raised against Pauline Hanson. 6 in 1996 and then 1 in 2000

2000 - Pauline Hanson following the publication of the book, ‘Pauline Hanson, The Truth’, which made claims “that Aboriginal people were savages who ate babies.”

They were all dismissed. The eating babies claim was dismissed because it was unclear who actually wrote the book as it was anonymous.

Rider wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 8:34pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 7:44pm: There was a recent recommendation to have a vetting process at the start to remove vexatious complaints and those with no chance of success. This seems sensible to me and about all that needs to be fixed with the legislation. No. The Act is clearly duplicitous,  vague and too easily corrupted. Scrap it. Sack the lot. Burn down their offices. Salt the earth.

It is a good law that can work well, the Bolt case proves that it is needed.

Nope...  scrap it or change it...  but its too stupid to be a law and the people handling it are too stupid to be in charge.

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201608/r1598309_24228447.jpg

Does that image not say that Aboriginal Fathers are not only drunks, they do not know that name of of their kids?

If that does not breach 18C and leave him with no defence under 18D, I am not typing this.

That is yet another reason why Turdfull is suddenly keen to just make it about 'harass.'

No.
But I'm betting it fits perfectly some.
And not just the interpretation you put on it either.

Grendel wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:05pm:

No. But I'm betting it fits perfectly some. And not just the interpretation you put on it either.

Is there some interpretation other than that Leak was telling us that Aboriginal Fathers are not only stereotypical barefoot useless desert dwelling pissheads they also stereotypical do not know the names of their Aboriginal kids who are also stereotypical petty criminals?

Aussie wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 8:58pm:

Does that image not say that Aboriginal Fathers are not only drunks, they do not know that name of of their kids? If that does not breach 18C and leave him with no defence under 18D, I am not typing this. That is yet another reason why Turdfull is suddenly keen to just make it about 'harass.'

Much worse than that have been dismissed under 18C, I would expect the same of this one, though it is terrible.

In fact this is an example of a complaint that never went to court, apparently it would have ended much quicker had Leek responded to the commission. Any response citing 18D would have been enough to end the matter.


Quote:

Giving evidence to Senate estimates on Tuesday, Triggs said the commission had twice written to Leak giving him the opportunity to assert that he had drawn the cartoon in good faith. Section 18D of the Racial Discrimination Act specifies publication “done reasonably and in good faith” as a defence against a racial discrimination complaint under section 18C. Leak did not respond to the commission, despite publicly explaining that his cartoon was intended to explore social issues in Indigenous communities such as absence of parental supervision leading to juvenile crime – exactly the sort of public interest debate 18D was designed to protect. No investigation into Bill Leak cartoon after complaint dropped   “Had he responded by making a good faith point, we would almost certainly have ended the matter precisely at that moment,” Triggs said, in response to questions from the independent senator Derryn Hinch. “Despite these two requests to him to justify an 18D basis for the cartoon, we received no response.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/feb/28/bill-leak-could-have-ended-18c-complaint-earlier-says-gillian-triggs

Where can you find 'good faith' in this:


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Leak was telling us that Aboriginal Fathers are not only stereotypical barefoot useless desert dwelling pissheads they also stereotypical do not know the names of their Aboriginal kids who are also stereotypical petty criminals?

Per se, it is void of even a scintilla of good faith.  It is 100% racial abuse caught by 18C and no defence under 18D.

Aussie wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:11pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 9:05pm: No. But I'm betting it fits perfectly some. And not just the interpretation you put on it either. Is there some interpretation other than that Leak was telling us that Aboriginal Fathers are not only stereotypical barefoot useless desert dwelling pissheads they also stereotypical do not know the names of their Aboriginal kids who are also stereotypical petty criminals?

Oh dear you mean your interpretation.... 

since you are so wrong most of the time maybe you should open your mind up to another interpretation.
For starters the policeman looks aboriginal too doesn't he.  So that shoots your interpretation down in flames.
The father may be a drunk and not recognise his son.
Not remember his son.
Be unaware he has a son.
No where does it say these 3 people represent all aboriginals, there isn't even a female in there so wrong again Aussie...  just how wrong do you want to be in one post?
Triggs allowed this to happen.  Tim actively sought out aboriginals and others to make a complaint about it.  Both are idiots.

Aussie wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 8:58pm:

Does that image not say that Aboriginal Fathers are not only drunks, they do not know that name of of their kids? If that does not breach 18C and leave him with no defence under 18D, I am not typing this. That is yet another reason why Turdfull is suddenly keen to just make it about 'harass.'

It was nothing to do with colour or race, but culture.

The race was black aboriginal, and so he could hardly draw white folks, could he? I like the father's lower lip ...  ;D