President Trump might be tempted, or more likely inveigled by advisers, to get involved in one or other of the ME trouble spots. There are 4 civil wars going on presently, I think that's right.

Leave it alone Donald.

Leave them to settle their own problems. I know some of it goes back to Western involvement, Sykes-Picot and other things. But a lot of it goes back to about the 8th century so wtf should the West waste its money and lives on these people.

Let them work out their own economic, political, religious and other problems. Don't subsidise them. Don't sell them weapons, other people will anyway.

The only time the West should get involved is to punish them severely when they seek to transfer their problems overseas. Europe won't do that of course, but Russia would, so should the US.
China certainly will. It has recently launched severe punitive action against its western muslims for becoming a problem.

Trade with them by all means but that's it. Don't seek to educate their children or offer them aid or anything else. The money is better spent on your own people.

Just keep the hell out of the garbage dump and only take action if they try to bring their garbage dump to your country. The same advice applies to all Western countries, though many wouldn't take it.

Funny, not so long ago you called those with this type of opinion cowards.

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 2:31pm:

President Trump might be tempted, or more likely inveigled by advisers, to get involved in one or other of the ME trouble spots. There are 4 civil wars going on presently, I think that's right. Leave it alone Donald. Leave them to settle their own problems. I know some of it goes back to Western involvement, Sykes-Picot and other things. But a lot of it goes back to about the 8th century so wtf should the West waste its money and lives on these people. Let them work out their own economic, political, religious and other problems. Don't subsidise them. Don't sell them weapons, other people will anyway. The only time the West should get involved is to punish them severely when they seek to transfer their problems overseas. Europe won't do that of course, but Russia would, so should the US. China certainly will. It has recently launched severe punitive action against its western muslims for becoming a problem. Trade with them by all means but that's it. Don't seek to educate their children or offer them aid or anything else. The money is better spent on your own people. Just keep the hell out of the garbage dump and only take action if they try to bring their garbage dump to your country. The same advice applies to all Western countries, though many wouldn't take it.

Yay, Mr Bogarde has seen the light. Arabia is for Arabs!

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 3:50pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 2:31pm: President Trump might be tempted, or more likely inveigled by advisers, to get involved in one or other of the ME trouble spots. There are 4 civil wars going on presently, I think that's right. Leave it alone Donald. Leave them to settle their own problems. I know some of it goes back to Western involvement, Sykes-Picot and other things. But a lot of it goes back to about the 8th century so wtf should the West waste its money and lives on these people. Let them work out their own economic, political, religious and other problems. Don't subsidise them. Don't sell them weapons, other people will anyway. The only time the West should get involved is to punish them severely when they seek to transfer their problems overseas. Europe won't do that of course, but Russia would, so should the US. China certainly will. It has recently launched severe punitive action against its western muslims for becoming a problem. Trade with them by all means but that's it. Don't seek to educate their children or offer them aid or anything else. The money is better spent on your own people. Just keep the hell out of the garbage dump and only take action if they try to bring their garbage dump to your country. The same advice applies to all Western countries, though many wouldn't take it. Yay, Mr Bogarde has seen the light. Arabia is for Arabs!

What about the Persians?

The recent interventions go back to the late 90s with the Project for the New American Century. It had grand plans of democratising the M.E., heavily influenced by Fukuyama's 'End of History' thesis, which itself is a mish-mash of Hegelian and Nietzschean philosophy. Many of those who strongly opposed Trump, and still do, were a part of PNAC. There's something in that for those willing to hear it.    

So far he has been saying he will pull out.

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 6:55pm:

So far he has been saying he will pull out.

He'll still have his $#@& firmly implanted into Netanyahu, you can bet on that, and Netanyahu will be begging for more.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 2:49pm:

Funny, not so long ago you called those with this type of opinion cowards.

You can provide exact & relevant quotes on that claim of course.

There is a quite well known video, of President GW Bush addressing a gathering of powerful people, in which he blatantly advocates their support for an invasion of Iraq because there will be huge amounts of money to be made. It was mainstream media for about a day.

This is the problem that Western governments refuse to deal with. If the Russians or the Chinese/NK dealers are seen to be making money, the West will want to compete. Perhaps the most disgusting aspect of this situation is that Liberal-Progressives like Obama justify meddling in the ME in the same way Western conservatives do. They tell the public it is to advance freedom and democracy. And then you have Israel, which is happy to see Western intervention because it takes the pressure off them.

There is only one glimmer of light in this darkness. It is that the mainstream media is now,but very rarely, publishing opinions that doubt the long held wisdom that a ME Peace Process can work. But then it was always a smoke screen to cover money, religion, oil and weapons testing. Only a grass-roots public rejection of Western policy can alter the situation, and that is up to editors and journalist to foster. Unfortunately, many of them are liberal-progressives who will have to lose face and their sanctimonious attitude.

Riffing on a theme by Bogarde in C#minor:

Yep, don't educate their kids. Don't bring them in on scholarships and visas. They probably won't go home anyway. And what are you doing? You may as well give them explosives and an instruction manual.
Or you are giving them the intellectual and psychological skills to direct the course of other young lives in the wrong direction.
Plus you are giving them the opportunity to further disrupt your own young malcontents. We see already the alliance forming: "Hey, these guys hate our country as much as we do. Let's get together and work with them" . . . for the glory of you know who.

Chord change:
Don't send them aid, let them fend for themselves in terms of food and everything else.
Have you seen those mountains of US Aid shipments? Maybe the farmers get paid for their grain, soybean whatever it is. So find other markets.
What happens when there is no lack of food sources in terms of pests? They breed like rabbits, no? Then you get problems.

I am even rethinking about the benefits of trading with the ME. Maybe total isolation is the way to go.
This is or will be total war.

That's what the Middle East says about Bogarde73. Let Bogarde73 amuse itself to it's heart's content.

Ship the oil out and lock the gates.... they can spend the next two thousand years throwing dates at one another... maybe they could do another Snake Pliskin movie - Escape From The Middle East.

Snake Pliskin?  I heard you were dead!

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 5:21pm:

Ship the oil out and lock the gates.... they can spend the next two thousand years throwing dates at one another... maybe they could do another Snake Pliskin movie - Escape From The Middle East. Snake Pliskin?  I heard you were dead!

Pivot away from oil.
Think if all the money and man hours  that's been pissed away in ME wars was put towards energy generation.


Prob not a bad idea to nuke Saudi Arabia. Think of it as chemotherapy to stop wahabbist cancer

Trump has promised to erase ISIS from the face of the earth.

He can't fulfill his promise unless he brings military power to bear upon the Middle East.

A better promise trumps a worse one Bobby.

Suppose he was to say, "You know what, I know I said I would terminate ISIS, but why should we pour good money after bad. It's more of a problem for all these govts in the ME. Let them deal with it and we'll leave it alone . . .UNLESS they start messing with us. Which is why I want you all to write to your judges and tell them not to interfere with the President's immigration policy."

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 9:23am:

A better promise trumps a worse one Bobby. Suppose he was to say, "You know what, I know I said I would terminate ISIS, but why should we pour good money after bad. It's more of a problem for all these govts in the ME. Let them deal with it and we'll leave it alone . . .UNLESS they start messing with us. Which is why I want you all to write to your judges and tell them not to interfere with the President's immigration policy."

The middle east would not be able to contain ISIS without our support. Anyone who thinks that outcome would not affect us is living under a rock. ISIS have already started messing with us.

freediver wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 12:39pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2017 at 9:23am: A better promise trumps a worse one Bobby. Suppose he was to say, "You know what, I know I said I would terminate ISIS, but why should we pour good money after bad. It's more of a problem for all these govts in the ME. Let them deal with it and we'll leave it alone . . .UNLESS they start messing with us. Which is why I want you all to write to your judges and tell them not to interfere with the President's immigration policy." The middle east would not be able to contain ISIS without our support. Anyone who thinks that outcome would not affect us is living under a rock. ISIS have already started messing with us.

Because we messed with them.

The West needs to get the ferk out and leave Arabia for Arabs.  Simple schit.  Effendi, even you are capable of understanding such a simple concept.

It's like this.  If some bastard invaded Australia, I'd be doing all I could to kill them here, and where they came from.

You?

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 9:23am:

A better promise trumps a worse one Bobby. Suppose he was to say, "You know what, I know I said I would terminate ISIS, but why should we pour good money after bad. It's more of a problem for all these govts in the ME. Let them deal with it and we'll leave it alone . . .UNLESS they start messing with us. Which is why I want you all to write to your judges and tell them not to interfere with the President's immigration policy."

Bogarde73 couldn't terminate one of his own stools even if he wanted to.

Aussie wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 23rd, 2017 at 12:39pm: bogarde73 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2017 at 9:23am: A better promise trumps a worse one Bobby. Suppose he was to say, "You know what, I know I said I would terminate ISIS, but why should we pour good money after bad. It's more of a problem for all these govts in the ME. Let them deal with it and we'll leave it alone . . .UNLESS they start messing with us. Which is why I want you all to write to your judges and tell them not to interfere with the President's immigration policy." The middle east would not be able to contain ISIS without our support. Anyone who thinks that outcome would not affect us is living under a rock. ISIS have already started messing with us. Because we messed with them. The West needs to get the ferk out and leave Arabia for Arabs.  Simple schit.  Effendi, even you are capable of understanding such a simple concept. It's like this.  If some bastard invaded Australia, I'd be doing all I could to kill them here, and where they came from. You?

How far back in time should we go in order to stop being blamed for their mess Aussie?

Back when we stopped them invading Europe?

More recently when we put an end to them raiding Europe for slaves?

Or the ongoing effort to end the remaining slavery?

This is, after all, the "interference" you and the other apologists whinge about. Now we are establishing two new democracies in the middle east - the first taste of democracy they have had.

There you have the ultimate confession....


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..we are establishing...

Far cough.

We are not Arabs.

FD, I'm not advocating they go unpunished for intruding on the West. I said that.
But in and out with air strikes where it hurts, no more troops or.political interference.
Let the rich Arab states deal with them.
.

Aussie wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 11:24pm:

There you have the ultimate confession.... Quote: ..we are establishing... Far cough. We are not Arabs.

There is no way the Arabs would establish democracy without outside influence. Just like they would not end slavery without outside influence (and some very big guns).


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FD, I'm not advocating they go unpunished for intruding on the West.

It has nothing to do with punishment. It is about preventing it from happening again. If we stood back and let the middle east deal with ISIS, ISIS would take over soon enough, and then we would have to fight them without the help of the locals, and they would be 1000 time as powerful.

Gordon wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 4:12pm:

What about the Persians?

Persia? ;)

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There is no way the Arabs would establish democracy without outside influence. Just like they would not end slavery without outside influence (and some very big guns).

Who, among Arabs gives a twopenny stuff about democracy?  It is not an Arab concept.  If they want it, sure....but it is not our right to impose it.  Far cough out of Arabia, whitey.....now!



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It has nothing to do with punishment. It is about preventing it from happening again. If we stood back and let the middle east deal with ISIS, ISIS would take over soon enough, and then we would have to fight them without the help of the locals, and they would be 1000 time as powerful.

Fight them.....where, Effendi?  Arabia?

Aussie wrote on Mar 24^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

Quote: There is no way the Arabs would establish democracy without outside influence. Just like they would not end slavery without outside influence (and some very big guns). Who, among Arabs gives a twopenny stuff about democracy?  It is not an Arab concept.  If they want it, sure....but it is not our right to impose it.  Far cough out of Arabia, whitey.....now! [quote]It has nothing to do with punishment. It is about preventing it from happening again. If we stood back and let the middle east deal with ISIS, ISIS would take over soon enough, and then we would have to fight them without the help of the locals, and they would be 1000 time as powerful.

Fight them.....where, Effendi?  Arabia?[/quote]

The French revolutionaries imposed what we now hold to be western values like freedom and democracy on continental western europe. We are lucky they did. Until very recently, it was an alien concept to nearly everyone.

Jayzuz, Effendi, your position is just rubbish.  You want us in the ME.....why?  WTF interest do we have there?  Why do we give a stuff who is in control there?  What possible military threat can they (ISIS or whatever) mount against any Western power/allies?

Ever heard of terrorism Aussie? You don't need to take on our military to get our interest. The whole world has a very strong interest in getting rid of ISIS.

Even with the holocaust ringing in your ears you cannot see it coming again.

freediver wrote on Mar 24^th, 2017 at 8:33pm:

Ever heard of terrorism Aussie? You don't need to take on our military to get our interest. The whole world has a very strong interest in getting rid of ISIS.

Well......the best way to get rid of 'ISIS' from our hair is to get the ferk out of the ME and let the Arabs carry on among themselves as they have for centuries.   Wake me up when they have an Army/Navy/Air Force capable of taking Europe, Asia, Africa, the Americas, the Oceanic, and/or Australia.......etc etc.


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Even with the holocaust ringing in your ears you cannot see it coming again.

You just love the Godwin don't you.  You win it yet again.  WTF has the holocaust got to do with us getting our interfering noses out of the ME?

What do you think would happen if ISIS was given free reign in the middle east Aussie? The only real difference between them and Nazis is that the Nazis were more organised.

Do you think it is automatically wrong to compare a political movement with Nazism? Or only when Muslims are involved?

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 6:55pm:

So far he has been saying he will pull out.

Trump has just reinstated the US supply of arms to Saudi Arabia and resumed their material support of their 'bomb-schools-and-hospitals-athon' in Yemen. Right after Obama stopped it.

Aussie wrote on Mar 24^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

Quote: There is no way the Arabs would establish democracy without outside influence. Just like they would not end slavery without outside influence (and some very big guns). Who, among Arabs gives a twopenny stuff about democracy?  It is not an Arab concept.  If they want it, sure....but it is not our right to impose it.  Far cough out of Arabia, whitey.....now! [quote]It has nothing to do with punishment. It is about preventing it from happening again. If we stood back and let the middle east deal with ISIS, ISIS would take over soon enough, and then we would have to fight them without the help of the locals, and they would be 1000 time as powerful.

Fight them.....where, Effendi?  Arabia?[/quote]

Oh yes, Effendi is arguing that we not only ban them
here, but invade and occupy them there. You know, to bring them civilisation and end slavery.

Arabia?

Aussie Aussie Aussie.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:58am:

freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 6:55pm: So far he has been saying he will pull out. Trump has just reinstated the US supply of arms to Saudi Arabia and resumed their material support of their 'bomb-schools-and-hospitals-athon' in Yemen. Right after Obama stopped it.

No need to get political, G. This is all about business.

I believe Trump got the contract for the new Mecca Hyatt, so it's all good.

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 8:58am:

What do you think would happen if ISIS was given free reign in the middle east Aussie? The only real difference between them and Nazis is that the Nazis were more organised. Do you think it is automatically wrong to compare a political movement with Nazism? Or only when Muslims are involved?

None of my bloody business, just as it hasn't been for centuries.

Sand surrounds skull.

Jennifer wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 2:17pm:

Sand surrounds skull.

That's true, dear. FD calls them sand Negros.

Not racist, of course. Sand is not a race.

Jennifer wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 2:17pm:

Sand surrounds skull.

Sans sensible statement so shut slot, sock.

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 7:05pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 6:55pm: So far he has been saying he will pull out. He'll still have his $#@& firmly implanted into Netanyahu, you can bet on that, and Netanyahu will be begging for more.

Netanyahoo will just have to wait his turn while Putin's being serviced too.

Sharing the love.

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 2:05pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 8:58am: What do you think would happen if ISIS was given free reign in the middle east Aussie? The only real difference between them and Nazis is that the Nazis were more organised. Do you think it is automatically wrong to compare a political movement with Nazism? Or only when Muslims are involved? None of my bloody business, just as it hasn't been for centuries.

Cop out. That question demanded too much of a cerebral response, and so Aussie's gone back to snoozing at the Taxi rank again.

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

Jennifer wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:17pm: Sand surrounds skull. Sans sensible statement so shut slot, sock.

So sour. Still sore?

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 2:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:05pm: freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 8:58am: What do you think would happen if ISIS was given free reign in the middle east Aussie? The only real difference between them and Nazis is that the Nazis were more organised. Do you think it is automatically wrong to compare a political movement with Nazism? Or only when Muslims are involved? None of my bloody business, just as it hasn't been for centuries. Cop out. That question demanded too much of a cerebral response, and so Aussie's gone back to snoozing at the Taxi rank again.

The question was just more repeats of Effendi's Muslim bash drivel.  Everything is about them...everything ~  even Nazism.  If you'd like to explain to me what right we have to be sticking our nose into the business of Arabs, I'll be all ears and eyes.

Jennifer wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 2:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:26pm: Jennifer wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:17pm: Sand surrounds skull. Sans sensible statement so shut slot, sock. So sour. Still sore?

Sorry, sweet sublime serenity, sock.

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 2:05pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 8:58am: What do you think would happen if ISIS was given free reign in the middle east Aussie? The only real difference between them and Nazis is that the Nazis were more organised. Do you think it is automatically wrong to compare a political movement with Nazism? Or only when Muslims are involved? None of my bloody business, just as it hasn't been for centuries.

ISIS won't last in the Middle East. They hate them there more than we do.

ISIS is becoming a phenomenon with Muslims in the West. It's a country without borders, existing largely online.

ISIS is a collection of horrible ideas. It's not a nation. The "Middle East" has effectively wiped out ISIS themselves.

Arabia Arabia Arabia, no?

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 2:37pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:30pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:05pm: freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 8:58am: What do you think would happen if ISIS was given free reign in the middle east Aussie? The only real difference between them and Nazis is that the Nazis were more organised. Do you think it is automatically wrong to compare a political movement with Nazism? Or only when Muslims are involved? None of my bloody business, just as it hasn't been for centuries. Cop out. That question demanded too much of a cerebral response, and so Aussie's gone back to snoozing at the Taxi rank again. The question was just more repeats of Effendi's Muslim bash drivel.  Everything is about them...everything ~  even Nazism.  If you'd like to explain to me what right we have to be sticking our nose into the business of Arabs, I'll be all ears and eyes.

Serial slayings s'ok?

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 2:05pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 8:58am: What do you think would happen if ISIS was given free reign in the middle east Aussie? The only real difference between them and Nazis is that the Nazis were more organised. Do you think it is automatically wrong to compare a political movement with Nazism? Or only when Muslims are involved? None of my bloody business, just as it hasn't been for centuries.

They would make it your business to make it your business Aussie.

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 4:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:05pm: freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 8:58am: What do you think would happen if ISIS was given free reign in the middle east Aussie? The only real difference between them and Nazis is that the Nazis were more organised. Do you think it is automatically wrong to compare a political movement with Nazism? Or only when Muslims are involved? None of my bloody business, just as it hasn't been for centuries. They would make it your business to make it your business Aussie.

When they do.....I'll let you know.  But it is highly unlikely as I do not plan to be in Arabia anytime at all, let alone soon.

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 2:37pm:

The question was just more repeats of Effendi's Muslim bash drivel.  Everything is about them...everything ~  even Nazism.  If you'd like to explain to me what right we have to be sticking our nose into the business of Arabs, I'll be all ears and eyes.

I agree with you.

Ayrabs are not our business, and in the fullness of time every last one of them will be returned to the Middle East with our sincere apologies.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 5:11pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:37pm: The question was just more repeats of Effendi's Muslim bash drivel.  Everything is about them...everything ~  even Nazism.  If you'd like to explain to me what right we have to be sticking our nose into the business of Arabs, I'll be all ears and eyes. I agree with you. Ayrabs are not our business, and in the fullness of time every last one of them will be returned to the Middle East with our sincere apologies.

We'll keep the Poms, Herbie. In the fullness of time.

Right doesn't come into it for me. Nor does might.
All I want to see is the Muslim world kept totally isolated from the west, except for perhaps - perhaps - trade.

I want to see the powerful countries in the ME forced to defend themselves against the radical elements. They have the power. Let's see if they have the will.

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 5:00pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 4:50pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:05pm: freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 8:58am: What do you think would happen if ISIS was given free reign in the middle east Aussie? The only real difference between them and Nazis is that the Nazis were more organised. Do you think it is automatically wrong to compare a political movement with Nazism? Or only when Muslims are involved? None of my bloody business, just as it hasn't been for centuries. They would make it your business to make it your business Aussie. When they do.....I'll let you know.  But it is highly unlikely as I do not plan to be in Arabia anytime at all, let alone soon.

So what's the plan Aussie? I believe last time we had this discussion you thought they would take over the middle east and be content with that. Do you think they would be satisfied with that?

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 6:06pm:

Right doesn't come into it for me. Nor does might. All I want to see is the Muslim world kept totally isolated from the west, except for perhaps - perhaps - trade.

Ah.

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 6:39pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 4:50pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:05pm: freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 8:58am: What do you think would happen if ISIS was given free reign in the middle east Aussie? The only real difference between them and Nazis is that the Nazis were more organised. Do you think it is automatically wrong to compare a political movement with Nazism? Or only when Muslims are involved? None of my bloody business, just as it hasn't been for centuries. They would make it your business to make it your business Aussie. When they do.....I'll let you know.  But it is highly unlikely as I do not plan to be in Arabia anytime at all, let alone soon. So what's the plan Aussie? I believe last time we had this discussion you thought they would take over the middle east and be content with that. Do you think they would be satisfied with that?

No, FD, the last time we had this discussion, Aussie wanted a race-war, remember?

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 6:39pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 4:50pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:05pm: freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 8:58am: What do you think would happen if ISIS was given free reign in the middle east Aussie? The only real difference between them and Nazis is that the Nazis were more organised. Do you think it is automatically wrong to compare a political movement with Nazism? Or only when Muslims are involved? None of my bloody business, just as it hasn't been for centuries. They would make it your business to make it your business Aussie. When they do.....I'll let you know.  But it is highly unlikely as I do not plan to be in Arabia anytime at all, let alone soon. So what's the plan Aussie? I believe last time we had this discussion you thought they would take over the middle east and be content with that. Do you think they would be satisfied with that?

I don't care what they are satisfied with.  And, there you go yet again.....verballing me.  I have never said....I thought they "would take over the middle east and be content with that."

I don't care what they do in Arabia.  I doubt they (ISIS) are capable of taking Arabia. 

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 6:39pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 4:50pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:05pm: freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 8:58am: What do you think would happen if ISIS was given free reign in the middle east Aussie? The only real difference between them and Nazis is that the Nazis were more organised. Do you think it is automatically wrong to compare a political movement with Nazism? Or only when Muslims are involved? None of my bloody business, just as it hasn't been for centuries. They would make it your business to make it your business Aussie. When they do.....I'll let you know.  But it is highly unlikely as I do not plan to be in Arabia anytime at all, let alone soon. So what's the plan Aussie? I believe last time we had this discussion you thought they would take over the middle east and be content with that. Do you think they would be satisfied with that? I don't care what they are satisfied with.  And, there you go yet again.....verballing me.  I have never said....I thought they "would take over the middle east and be content with that." I don't care what they do in Arabia.  I doubt they (ISIS) are capable of taking Arabia.

Yes, but you did support genocide, remember? FD said.

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Yes, but you did support genocide, remember? FD said.

Indeed.  Effendi tries that verbal on anyone who is not besotted with Musselmen as he is.

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 6:39pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 4:50pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:05pm: freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 8:58am: What do you think would happen if ISIS was given free reign in the middle east Aussie? The only real difference between them and Nazis is that the Nazis were more organised. Do you think it is automatically wrong to compare a political movement with Nazism? Or only when Muslims are involved? None of my bloody business, just as it hasn't been for centuries. They would make it your business to make it your business Aussie. When they do.....I'll let you know.  But it is highly unlikely as I do not plan to be in Arabia anytime at all, let alone soon. So what's the plan Aussie? I believe last time we had this discussion you thought they would take over the middle east and be content with that. Do you think they would be satisfied with that? I don't care what they are satisfied with.  And, there you go yet again.....verballing me.  I have never said....I thought they "would take over the middle east and be content with that." I don't care what they do in Arabia.  I doubt they (ISIS) are capable of taking Arabia.

You do realise that sitting back and hoping this sort of thing won't affect you can come back to bite you, don't you?

It will never effect me, Effendi.  As I said.....Ima not ever going to Arabia....other than to be in a plane which lands and takes off with me in it.

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 7:01pm:

It will never effect me, Effendi.  As I said.....Ima not ever going to Arabia....other than to be in a plane which lands and takes off with me in it.

Apologist.

Big Donger wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 7:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 7:01pm: It will never effect me, Effendi.  As I said.....Ima not ever going to Arabia....other than to be in a plane which lands and takes off with me in it. Apologist.

Kill them.

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 7:43pm:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 7:42pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 7:01pm: It will never effect me, Effendi.  As I said.....Ima not ever going to Arabia....other than to be in a plane which lands and takes off with me in it. Apologist. Kill them.

You've captured FD's argument here in two words, Aussie.

Good show.

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 2:37pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:30pm: Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:05pm: freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 8:58am: What do you think would happen if ISIS was given free reign in the middle east Aussie? The only real difference between them and Nazis is that the Nazis were more organised. Do you think it is automatically wrong to compare a political movement with Nazism? Or only when Muslims are involved? None of my bloody business, just as it hasn't been for centuries. Cop out. That question demanded too much of a cerebral response, and so Aussie's gone back to snoozing at the Taxi rank again. The question was just more repeats of Effendi's Muslim bash drivel.  Everything is about them...everything ~  even Nazism.  If you'd like to explain to me what right we have to be sticking our nose into the business of Arabs, I'll be all ears and eyes.

Started a new Thread to discuss these two quotes:

'Islam is a disease we need to vaccinate ourselves against.' Pauline Hanson, 2017.

'Ours is a significant task, one must cut...quite radically, otherwise Europe will perish from the Jewish disease.'  Goebbels, 1939.