Multiculturalism has proven divisive, not coalescent, so let’s ditch it
    The Australian
    12:00AM February 24, 2016
    Janet Albrechtsen

Like bad 1970s fashion, multiculturalism needs to be binned. 
Sometimes the obvious questions don’t get asked. Maybe it’s the stubborn power of orthodoxy that puts a spanner in the spokes of our otherwise critical and curious senses. Whatever the reason, it’s time to ask this: why do we still have a minister, let alone an assistant minister for multicultural ­affairs?

Hasn’t this cultural fad overstayed it usefulness? Just as questions are asked about whether taxpayers should keep funding multicultural broadcaster SBS, given its raison d’etre has waned, isn’t it time we asked why we still need government ministers ministering the multicultural word to the people?

There is a sense of urgency around this question after last week’s inauspicious start by Craig Laundy, the new Assistant Minister for Multicultural Affairs.  Laundy sounded like the very model of the modern multiculturalist — modern in the sense of 1970s modern.

Last week the Liberal MP from western Sydney adopted the condescending voice of those 70s multiculturalists, speaking down to us, telling us that he knows better than us. And just like 70s multiculturalism, he caused division rather than cohesion.

Laundy’s sentiments might please the large voting bloc of Muslims in his electorate but the rest of us were riled by his haughtiness when he said that when people “dive into this debate” (about Islam) and “say controversial things, I would argue the vast ­majority are speaking from a position that is not well-informed”.

That’s multi-culti speak for saying shut up, you’re too stupid to understand Islam or question Islam’s ability to find an accommodation with fundamental Western values such as the separation of church and state, free speech, gender equality and so on.

Alas, people aren’t stupid. We see that countries ruled by the ­Islamic faith have cultures diametrically opposed to Enlightenment values. We can see enclaves of Muslim migrants in Western countries have kept practices at odds with those values. We are entitled to ask questions about the level of gender inequality among Muslims. We are entitled to ask why some young Muslim men chose Islamic State over Australia; why genital mutilation and child marriages happen in countries such as Britain and Australia.

If Laundy finds our questions “controversial” then, sadly, he has caught that debilitating multicultural virus. Like a virus that takes hold of host cells in the human body, multiculturalism’s self-loathing virus started invading Western societies more than 40 years ago. Like a form of cultural cancer, it has weakened our ability to defend our most fundamental values and, worse, it has meant the only culture open to critique and question is our own.

To be fair, Laundy is not alone among Liberal MPs who inadvertently expose why multiculturalism must be discarded.

Last week on the ABC’s Q&A when Liberal MP Steve Ciobo was asked whether he believed in free speech, he said: “I’m attracted to the principle.” Really? That’s it? I might be ­attracted to a dress in a shop but I’m not committed to it. Surely a Liberal MP, a minister, can do better at defending a core Western freedom. You’re not going to convince anyone about the virtues of free speech by saying you kind of like it, with the same commitment as you might say you like cornflakes in the morning

The multicultural virus has impaired even self-professed cultural warriors. As prime minister, Tony Abbott decided that defending free speech by reforming section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act was too hard once a few ­migrant groups kicked up a fuss.

Sure, the Senate was unhelpful, but rather than make a humiliating retreat, a warrior of Western culture should fight on to defend the marketplace of ideas, rather than kowtow to the marketplace of outrage that has been fuelled by multiculturalism.

And why wouldn’t Laundy champion all the usual multi-culti guff given the tone set by the more senior Minister for Multicultural Affairs. Concetta Fierravanti-Wells, another so-called Liberal Party cultural warrior, didn’t raise an eyebrow, let alone utter a word, when Abbott dropped his promise on free speech. We expect this cultural cowardice from Labor and the broader Left, but when voters can’t look to the Liberal Party to defend our basic values the cultural landscape is indeed bleak.

Remember that multiculturalism was never a policy with broad support. Research by sociologist Katharine Betts reveals multiculturalism wasn’t even a story of ethnic agitators: it was largely trumpeted by a group of Anglo-Australian activists so small that “most of them could and did meet in one room”. Twenty years after Malcolm Fraser included multiculturalism in the Coalition platform, a poll by the Council of Multicultural Affairs found the rank-and-file supporter of multiculturalism was not the ­migrant but the well-educated Anglo-Australian living far way from migrant enclaves.

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In the 70s, multiculturalism was sold to the people as the tolerant, moral alternative to earlier evil policies of assimilation and integration. But assimilation and integration were not intolerant ideas. On the contrary, these policies invited migrants to Australia with the promise they, too, could become Australians and enjoy the values that made Australia the country of first choice for millions.

When migrants arrived in postwar Australia, there was a sense of obligation to the new country. The transformation of thousands of poor, displaced migrants into comfortable middle-class Australians in a matter of a few generations is one of the great success stories of integration. The traditional three-way contract was simple: majority tolerance, minority loyalty and government vigilance in both ­directions.

Becoming a citizen meant ­accepting responsibilities in return for clearly understood rights and privileges. A migrant renounced “all other allegiances” to swear loyalty to Australia.

More than 40 years later, asking for minority loyalty is regarded as a sign of intolerance. Against a backdrop of entrenched multiculturalism and a human rights frenzy pushing the right to be “separate but equal”, it’s now a case of the host nation owing the migrant.

The great multicultural con is that its proponents deliberately refused to define the term. They opted for feel-good ambiguity. So it meandered along meaning different things to different people. To some, it meant no more than promoting a culturally diverse ­society loyal to core institutions and core values. Meanwhile, a more virulent form took root, emphasising ethnic rights to be separate but equal, promoting cultural and moral relativism and identity politics where immigrants were no longer Australians, or even “new” Australians.

Multiculturalism endorsed what Theodore Roosevelt called a hyphenated loyalty to country. SBS uses the phrase Muslim-Australians, not the other way around. That hyphenated loyalty has under­mined an obligation on ­migrants to embrace a common set of values.

Worse, multiculturalism demanded that we tolerate the intolerant. To be sure, tolerance is a worthy goal. But it’s meaningful only when tempered with moral judgments about what is right and what is wrong. That is a debate we must all be able to be part of.

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2016/01/multiculturalism-real-racism/


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As Their ABC and the mainstream media have told us many times, Australians are racist xenophobes with a sub-civilised booze culture and little refinement in the things that really matter.  Beer, BBQ’s, beach and bogan ball games are the lower classes’ only interests, meaning they are unable to tell a Sauvignon Blanc from a Chardonnay.  No class, no civilised grasp of the cultural relativism their elitist betters have long professed to recognise as key to a happy and untroubled society. That the evidence contradicts this shiny vision bothers its advocates not at all.

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Statistics demonstrate that Australians have one of the world’s highest rates of inter-ethnic marriage, which should put the lie to the claim that racism is in our DNA. Where this does not apply is in certain ethnic communities, a fact illustrated by a recent SBS talk show that saw a well educated, sophisticated Muslim doctor announce that, on the whole, he would prefer if his son married inside the culture, ideally to a first cousin the lad has never met and who currently resides in Belgium.

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Here we arrive at the hollowness of the multicultural myth. As our intermarriage rates demonstrate, Australia does multiracialism very well indeed. But that ain’t multiculturalism, which preaches a brand of warm and fuzzy separatism. We’re all part of the same society, you see, just locked into the boxes of each individual’s group-inherited and racially ordained identity. It would not be drawing a long bow to note that this same attitude was once widely denounced. Surely you recall the passionate protests against apartheid in South Africa? Yet in Australia, even as multiculturalism curses society with artificial and encouraged divisions, we are told that our version of ‘apartness’ is a force for good, that only bigots could ever oppose it. Once again, the social engineers’ theories trump fact. Note how many women who have been genitally mutilated are treated every year at Melbourne’s Royal Women’s Hospital — enough to warrant a weekly clinic, but not enough to warrant more than the rare, the very rare, prosecution. Kid-glove treatment for an appalling crime because, well, it’s part of their culture.

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Two things have gone wrong: Government intervention, supported by taxpayer money, promotes separateness, plus the truly bizarre idea that all cultures are equal, no matter how barbaric, backward, sexist, indolent or, generally speaking, appalling.  Look no further than Aborigines in many remote communities, where hopelessness is state-subsidised and alcohol is the palliative for wasted lives. The next generation will face the same hopeless future, and the ones after that as well. What would happen to a genius born into such an environment, where learning is not encouraged? Victimhood as the pinnacle of ambition, that’s the real bigotry which patronising, soft expectations produces. What we get is not betterment but excuses and rationalisations, which is only to be expected when we judge others by lesser standards than we apply to ourselves.

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Multiculturalism, that’s the real evil. A rational society would have strangled the idea at birth along with the people who dreamed it up and thought it was a good idea.

Monoculture is a myth, it can not exist in the modern world.

If we were to somehow inact a monoculture here we would be shunned by the rest of the world and our culture would stagnate.

Raven wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 12:40am:

Monoculture is a myth, it can not exist in the modern world. If we were to somehow inact a monoculture here we would be shunned by the rest of the world and our culture would stagnate.

Nowhere ever has been mono culture. Everyone is influence by those around them. British culture? Celtic, Roman, Anglo Saxon, Viking, more recently... I'm sure the poms like a curry. The Raj is gone but the tastes have not.

Raven wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 12:40am:

Monoculture is a myth, it can not exist in the modern world. If we were to somehow inact a monoculture here we would be shunned by the rest of the world and our culture would stagnate.

Oh yeah that furphy....
so what do you think a monoculture is?

Raven wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 12:40am:

Monoculture is a myth, it can not exist in the modern world. If we were to somehow inact a monoculture here we would be shunned by the rest of the world and our culture would stagnate.

true. when the british arrived they gave the aborigines the glories of mulitculture.

http://www.ramzpaul.com/search?updated-max=2017-03-20T16:55:00-07:00&max-results=3

That problem started in 1788 when immigrants started murdering Australians.

Unforgiven wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 11:52am:

That problem started in 1788 when immigrants started murdering Australians.

Happened 40-60,000 years earlier apparently... :D :D :D :D

All countries have national cultural identifiers... language just for starters.  Couldn't believe that idiot Waleed Aly on that prog left "news" program tonight...  pathetic.

Multiculti is about invasion by national cultural groups, where another nations way of life is transposed into ours.  "Monoculture" as described by some, is not the argument.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BkyurHbJRDA/WMbOIjsnGEI/AAAAAAAADPw/pSAcvkyuNqYLXoVSBe5jxcS1Lcq9TtucgCLcB/s1600/Steven%2BKing%2B09.JPG

How well did Wilders do again in the recent Dutch election?   Tsk, tsk, your US Congressman needs to catch up with the real world, just like you do, Soren.  Stop living in your medieval monoculture.  It's unbecoming to the rest of us Australians.    ::)

National cultures are not monocultures bwian...  you know that, remember all those years ago when you told me you only know of one existing monoculture on the planet, in a pathetic attempt to support multiculturalism...  gee now you've changed tack....

Sorry bwian but all those lies and twists and turns over the years have left you nowhere to go it seems.


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All countries have national cultural identifiers... language just for starters.  Couldn't believe that idiot Waleed Aly on that prog left "news" program tonight...  pathetic. Multiculti is about invasion by national cultural groups, where another nations way of life is transposed into ours.  "Monoculture" as described by some, is not the argument.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 12:30am:

How well did Wilders do again in the recent Dutch election?   Tsk, tsk, your US Congressman needs to catch up with the real world, just like you do, Soren.  Stop living in your medieval monoculture.  It's unbecoming to the rest of us Australians.    ::)

He did pretty well. SECOND biggest party. And DO note that he or his party would not exist as a political force without Islamic immigration to the Netherlands.

And he was beaten by a guy who told Muslim to to FIFO a week before the election.

And if they do not FIFO, Wilders will win next time. Like farage, he doesn't need to be PM, his policies need to be implemented - Muslims, FIFO. That's all that matters.





Party      Leader      %      Seats      ±
VVD      Mark Rutte      21.3%      33      -8
PVV      Geert Wilders      13.1%      20      +5
CDA      Sybrand van Haersma Buma      12.4%      19      +6
D66      Alexander Pechtold      12.2%      19      +7
GL      Jesse Klaver      9.1%      14      +10
SP      Emile Roemer      9.1%      14      -1
PvdA      Lodewijk Asscher      5.7%      9      -29
CU      Gert-Jan Segers      3.4%      5      0
PvdD      Marianne Thieme      3.2%      5      +3
50+      Henk Krol      3.1%      4      +2
SGP      Kees van der Staaij      2.1%      3      0
DENK      Tunahan Kuzu      2.1%      3      New
FvD      Thierry Baudet      1.8%      2      New

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_general_election,_2017

Frank wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 6:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:30am: How well did Wilders do again in the recent Dutch election?   Tsk, tsk, your US Congressman needs to catch up with the real world, just like you do, Soren.  Stop living in your medieval monoculture.  It's unbecoming to the rest of us Australians.    ::) He did pretty well. SECOND biggest party. And DO note that he or his party would not exist as a political force without Islamic immigration to the Netherlands. And he was beaten by a guy who told Muslim to to FIFO a week before the election. And if they do not FIFO, Wilders will win next time. Like farage, he doesn't need to be PM, his policies need to be implemented - Muslims, FIFO. That's all that matters.

He didn't win, now did he?  His influence is limited.  We shall have to see how successful he is at compromise, won't we, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, he is such Islamophobe, no wonder you admire him so much...    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 6:44pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:37pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:30am: How well did Wilders do again in the recent Dutch election?   Tsk, tsk, your US Congressman needs to catch up with the real world, just like you do, Soren.  Stop living in your medieval monoculture.  It's unbecoming to the rest of us Australians.    ::) He did pretty well. SECOND biggest party. And DO note that he or his party would not exist as a political force without Islamic immigration to the Netherlands. And he was beaten by a guy who told Muslim to to FIFO a week before the election. And if they do not FIFO, Wilders will win next time. Like farage, he doesn't need to be PM, his policies need to be implemented - Muslims, FIFO. That's all that matters. He didn't win, now did he?  His influence is limited.  We shall have to see how successful he is at compromise, won't we, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, he is such Islamophobe, no wonder you admire him so much...    ::)

His influence is 'UGE, as Trump would tell you, you little man of distant auxilliary activity with some guys remotely connected with some other guys in uniform, now stuck in Perth.

Islamophobe? What's wrong with hating and rejecting and fearing Islam? Fearing Fascism? Stalinism? Scientology? Capitalism? Post-modernity? ANY ideology???  Why not hate Islam? I hate it. It's a stupid and dangerous ideology. It is spreading and d!ckheads like you are clearing the way for its spread.
I cannot think of any positive aspect of Islam. Can you? Believing it is like saying , 'hey, I want to be stuck in 7th century Arabian warlord mentality, I am your future. Believe me or I keeeeel you'.  It's madness.

You are too stupid to realise just how stupid you are, Brian: it IS totally OK to reject Islam as a very bad thing and to hold it in total contempt. It is totally, completely OK. You do not need to respect Islam. And so you don't need to fantacise about yourself as some Joan of Arc  defender of the evil creed.

If you don't hate Islam you should have your head read, Brian. It is the fascism of the ages. It doesn't have anything to recommend it. That a lot of people follow it doesn't make it any more palatable. I don't respect you at all. I don't respect followers of Islam. I don't have to respect any of you. If you want to be respected, you have to earn respect. Islam is not earning any respect.  All the thinking people are leaving it. You stick up for it. It outs you as the looney that you are.

The Multiculti Disaster

well that's not very Australian of you all. Turnbull will reject your citizenship


here's an idea, anyone who doesn't like multiculturalism should go back to their families country of origin

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:27pm:

The Multiculti Disaster well that's not very Australian of you all. Turnbull will reject your citizenship here's an idea, anyone who doesn't like multiculturalism should go back to their families country of origin

Where will Aborigines go? India?

Probably.

Frank wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:27pm: The Multiculti Disaster well that's not very Australian of you all. Turnbull will reject your citizenship here's an idea, anyone who doesn't like multiculturalism should go back to their families country of origin Where will Aborigines go? India? Probably.

I didn't realise there were abo's on here whinging about multiculturalism.

Frank wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:44pm: Frank wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:37pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:30am: How well did Wilders do again in the recent Dutch election?   Tsk, tsk, your US Congressman needs to catch up with the real world, just like you do, Soren.  Stop living in your medieval monoculture.  It's unbecoming to the rest of us Australians.    ::) He did pretty well. SECOND biggest party. And DO note that he or his party would not exist as a political force without Islamic immigration to the Netherlands. And he was beaten by a guy who told Muslim to to FIFO a week before the election. And if they do not FIFO, Wilders will win next time. Like farage, he doesn't need to be PM, his policies need to be implemented - Muslims, FIFO. That's all that matters. He didn't win, now did he?  His influence is limited.  We shall have to see how successful he is at compromise, won't we, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, he is such Islamophobe, no wonder you admire him so much...    ::) His influence is 'UGE, as Trump would tell you, you little man of distant auxilliary activity with some guys remotely connected with some other guys in uniform, now stuck in Perth. Islamophobe? What's wrong with hating and rejecting and fearing Islam? Fearing Fascism? Stalinism? Scientology? Capitalism? Post-modernity? ANY ideology???  Why not hate Islam? I hate it. It's a stupid and dangerous ideology. It is spreading and d!ckheads like you are clearing the way for its spread. I cannot think of any positive aspect of Islam. Can you? Believing it is like saying , 'hey, I want to be stuck in 7th century Arabian warlord mentality, I am your future. Believe me or I keeeeel you'.  It's madness. You are too stupid to realise just how stupid you are, Brian: it IS totally OK to reject Islam as a very bad thing and to hold it in total contempt. It is totally, completely OK. You do not need to respect Islam. And so you don't need to fantacise about yourself as some Joan of Arc  defender of the evil creed. If you don't hate Islam you should have your head read, Brian. It is the fascism of the ages. It doesn't have anything to recommend it. That a lot of people follow it doesn't make it any more palatable. I don't respect you at all. I don't respect followers of Islam. I don't have to respect any of you. If you want to be respected, you have to earn respect. Islam is not earning any respect.  All the thinking people are leaving it. You stick up for it. It outs you as the looney that you are.

What about all the verses about 'feeding the poor' or 'doing righteous deeds'? Do you disagree with those verses? Do you think they're irrelevant?

Auggie wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:44pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:44pm: Frank wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:37pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:30am: How well did Wilders do again in the recent Dutch election?   Tsk, tsk, your US Congressman needs to catch up with the real world, just like you do, Soren.  Stop living in your medieval monoculture.  It's unbecoming to the rest of us Australians.    ::) He did pretty well. SECOND biggest party. And DO note that he or his party would not exist as a political force without Islamic immigration to the Netherlands. And he was beaten by a guy who told Muslim to to FIFO a week before the election. And if they do not FIFO, Wilders will win next time. Like farage, he doesn't need to be PM, his policies need to be implemented - Muslims, FIFO. That's all that matters. He didn't win, now did he?  His influence is limited.  We shall have to see how successful he is at compromise, won't we, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, he is such Islamophobe, no wonder you admire him so much...    ::) His influence is 'UGE, as Trump would tell you, you little man of distant auxilliary activity with some guys remotely connected with some other guys in uniform, now stuck in Perth. Islamophobe? What's wrong with hating and rejecting and fearing Islam? Fearing Fascism? Stalinism? Scientology? Capitalism? Post-modernity? ANY ideology???  Why not hate Islam? I hate it. It's a stupid and dangerous ideology. It is spreading and d!ckheads like you are clearing the way for its spread. I cannot think of any positive aspect of Islam. Can you? Believing it is like saying , 'hey, I want to be stuck in 7th century Arabian warlord mentality, I am your future. Believe me or I keeeeel you'.  It's madness. You are too stupid to realise just how stupid you are, Brian: it IS totally OK to reject Islam as a very bad thing and to hold it in total contempt. It is totally, completely OK. You do not need to respect Islam. And so you don't need to fantacise about yourself as some Joan of Arc  defender of the evil creed. If you don't hate Islam you should have your head read, Brian. It is the fascism of the ages. It doesn't have anything to recommend it. That a lot of people follow it doesn't make it any more palatable. I don't respect you at all. I don't respect followers of Islam. I don't have to respect any of you. If you want to be respected, you have to earn respect. Islam is not earning any respect.  All the thinking people are leaving it. You stick up for it. It outs you as the looney that you are. What about all the verses about 'feeding the poor' or 'doing righteous deeds'? Do you disagree with those verses? Do you think they're irrelevant?

They only mean other Muslims.

Non Muslim are to be suppressed and oppressed. Islam is a fascist creed.

Frank wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Auggie wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:44pm: Frank wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:44pm: Frank wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:37pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:30am: How well did Wilders do again in the recent Dutch election?   Tsk, tsk, your US Congressman needs to catch up with the real world, just like you do, Soren.  Stop living in your medieval monoculture.  It's unbecoming to the rest of us Australians.    ::) He did pretty well. SECOND biggest party. And DO note that he or his party would not exist as a political force without Islamic immigration to the Netherlands. And he was beaten by a guy who told Muslim to to FIFO a week before the election. And if they do not FIFO, Wilders will win next time. Like farage, he doesn't need to be PM, his policies need to be implemented - Muslims, FIFO. That's all that matters. He didn't win, now did he?  His influence is limited.  We shall have to see how successful he is at compromise, won't we, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, he is such Islamophobe, no wonder you admire him so much...    ::) His influence is 'UGE, as Trump would tell you, you little man of distant auxilliary activity with some guys remotely connected with some other guys in uniform, now stuck in Perth. Islamophobe? What's wrong with hating and rejecting and fearing Islam? Fearing Fascism? Stalinism? Scientology? Capitalism? Post-modernity? ANY ideology???  Why not hate Islam? I hate it. It's a stupid and dangerous ideology. It is spreading and d!ckheads like you are clearing the way for its spread. I cannot think of any positive aspect of Islam. Can you? Believing it is like saying , 'hey, I want to be stuck in 7th century Arabian warlord mentality, I am your future. Believe me or I keeeeel you'.  It's madness. You are too stupid to realise just how stupid you are, Brian: it IS totally OK to reject Islam as a very bad thing and to hold it in total contempt. It is totally, completely OK. You do not need to respect Islam. And so you don't need to fantacise about yourself as some Joan of Arc  defender of the evil creed. If you don't hate Islam you should have your head read, Brian. It is the fascism of the ages. It doesn't have anything to recommend it. That a lot of people follow it doesn't make it any more palatable. I don't respect you at all. I don't respect followers of Islam. I don't have to respect any of you. If you want to be respected, you have to earn respect. Islam is not earning any respect.  All the thinking people are leaving it. You stick up for it. It outs you as the looney that you are. What about all the verses about 'feeding the poor' or 'doing righteous deeds'? Do you disagree with those verses? Do you think they're irrelevant? They only mean other Muslims. Non Muslim are to be suppressed and oppressed. Islam is a fascist creed.

No, incorrect. Read the Quran in chronological order. God was talking to all peoples, not just Muslims. The term Muslim had been much established after he was preaching about the poor.

Haha, I win again re Islam.

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:31pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:30pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:27pm: The Multiculti Disaster well that's not very Australian of you all. Turnbull will reject your citizenship here's an idea, anyone who doesn't like multiculturalism should go back to their families country of origin Where will Aborigines go? India? Probably. I didn't realise there were abo's on here whinging about multiculturalism.

Yes and the Invasion....  what rock have you been living under again?

John Smith wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:31pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:30pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:27pm: The Multiculti Disaster well that's not very Australian of you all. Turnbull will reject your citizenship here's an idea, anyone who doesn't like multiculturalism should go back to their families country of origin Where will Aborigines go? India? Probably. I didn't realise there were abo's on here whinging about multiculturalism.

There are too many things you don't realise to list here, Gino. What's Italian for 'don't realise'?  It's your middle name. Come to think of it, your first name. Don't realise is what you are.


You are sweet old Nonna Dunno.

I like Italians. Most of them have a cultural confidence to be admired. Pity you are a f vckwit of a dago surrender monkey.  Rich tapestry of human types, what?

Auggie wrote on Apr 21^st, 2017 at 9:59pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:54pm: Auggie wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:44pm: Frank wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:44pm: Frank wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:37pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:30am: How well did Wilders do again in the recent Dutch election?   Tsk, tsk, your US Congressman needs to catch up with the real world, just like you do, Soren.  Stop living in your medieval monoculture.  It's unbecoming to the rest of us Australians.    ::) He did pretty well. SECOND biggest party. And DO note that he or his party would not exist as a political force without Islamic immigration to the Netherlands. And he was beaten by a guy who told Muslim to to FIFO a week before the election. And if they do not FIFO, Wilders will win next time. Like farage, he doesn't need to be PM, his policies need to be implemented - Muslims, FIFO. That's all that matters. He didn't win, now did he?  His influence is limited.  We shall have to see how successful he is at compromise, won't we, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, he is such Islamophobe, no wonder you admire him so much...    ::) His influence is 'UGE, as Trump would tell you, you little man of distant auxilliary activity with some guys remotely connected with some other guys in uniform, now stuck in Perth. Islamophobe? What's wrong with hating and rejecting and fearing Islam? Fearing Fascism? Stalinism? Scientology? Capitalism? Post-modernity? ANY ideology???  Why not hate Islam? I hate it. It's a stupid and dangerous ideology. It is spreading and d!ckheads like you are clearing the way for its spread. I cannot think of any positive aspect of Islam. Can you? Believing it is like saying , 'hey, I want to be stuck in 7th century Arabian warlord mentality, I am your future. Believe me or I keeeeel you'.  It's madness. You are too stupid to realise just how stupid you are, Brian: it IS totally OK to reject Islam as a very bad thing and to hold it in total contempt. It is totally, completely OK. You do not need to respect Islam. And so you don't need to fantacise about yourself as some Joan of Arc  defender of the evil creed. If you don't hate Islam you should have your head read, Brian. It is the fascism of the ages. It doesn't have anything to recommend it. That a lot of people follow it doesn't make it any more palatable. I don't respect you at all. I don't respect followers of Islam. I don't have to respect any of you. If you want to be respected, you have to earn respect. Islam is not earning any respect.  All the thinking people are leaving it. You stick up for it. It outs you as the looney that you are. What about all the verses about 'feeding the poor' or 'doing righteous deeds'? Do you disagree with those verses? Do you think they're irrelevant? They only mean other Muslims. Non Muslim are to be suppressed and oppressed. Islam is a fascist creed. No, incorrect. Read the Quran in chronological order. God was talking to all peoples, not just Muslims. The term Muslim had been much established after he was preaching about the poor. Haha, I win again re Islam.

:D :D :D :D
Haha, you are an idiot!!!!

Islam. It's not for everyone.

Tell us more about your delusions.  Go on.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Move along folks, move along, nothing worth looking at here.  It's just the same tired old ad homimen debate that this lot usually indulge in.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Oh dear more trolling from the pet prog....

You must try harder and do better bwian, you are boring us all...

If you have nothing...  best you say nothing...  only an idiot opens his mouth removing all doubt about his idiocy bwian...  you do it many times every day. :D :D :D

Grendel wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2017 at 11:03am:

Oh dear more trolling from the pet prog.... You must try harder and do better bwian, you are boring us all... If you have nothing...  best you say nothing...  only an idiot opens his mouth removing all doubt about his idiocy bwian...  you do it many times every day. :D :D :D

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Geoff, you don't like the truth being told about your posts, do you?  Just carry on with your ad hominem attacks, it does us all good to see just how much of  bully you are.   Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Sorry bwian....  you are a lying hypocrite...
You should stop being a troll that wastes everyone's time with your endless boring off topic posts... 

Grendel wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 3:42pm:

Sorry bwian....  you are a lying hypocrite... You should stop being a troll that wastes everyone's time with your endless boring off topic posts...

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Geoff, why do you bother?  All you do is troll and use ad hominem.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Ah no bwian that's you...  all the trolling and flaming is you...  I just simply point it out...  if you stopped doing it, I wouldn't have to.

Grendel wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 11:13pm:

Ah no bwian that's you...  all the trolling and flaming is you...  I just simply point it out...  if you stopped doing it, I wouldn't have to.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Geoff, why do you bother?  All you do is troll and use ad hominem.  Tsk, tsk.  You started your abuse first, Geoff.  Time you grew up and joined the adults and stopped trying to act like you own the schoolyard...  ::)

Oh dear....  so much self denial eh bwian....
Stop wasting our time and try to make a post on topic for a change.

Grendel wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 12:56pm:

Oh dear....  so much self denial eh bwian.... Stop wasting our time and try to make a post on topic for a change.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Geoff, why do you bother?  All you do is troll and use ad hominem.  Tsk, tsk.   The only person in denial here is yourself.  Wake up, Geoff!  As the Wiggles used to say... ::)

Oh dear still posting pointless baseless crap eh bwian you must be losing track of when you even posted on topic here.
I know I have  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Seems so far back bwian. when did you last post something on topic?

What was it Merkel said about Multiculti?
Did even she say it was a failure?

UTTERLY FAILED wasn't it bwian?

just like you and your comments bwian...  so sad... :D

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Still trolling and using ad hominemn, I see, Geoff.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Grendel wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 4:42pm:

Oh dear still posting pointless baseless crap eh bwian you must be losing track of when you even posted on topic here. I know I have  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Seems so far back bwian. when did you last post something on topic? What was it Merkel said about Multiculti? Did even she say it was a failure? UTTERLY FAILED wasn't it bwian? just like you and your comments bwian...  so sad... :D

Try harder bwian.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Still trolling and using ad hominemn, I see, Geoff.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

One more time for the UBER IDIOT

Grendel wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 2:49pm:

Grendel wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 4:42pm: Oh dear still posting pointless baseless crap eh bwian you must be losing track of when you even posted on topic here. I know I have  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Seems so far back bwian. when did you last post something on topic? What was it Merkel said about Multiculti? Did even she say it was a failure? UTTERLY FAILED wasn't it bwian? just like you and your comments bwian...  so sad... :D Try harder bwian.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

How many off topic flames is that you've posted now bwian? 100? 200? 300? 1000? ;)

Grendel wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 1:06pm:

One more time for the UBER IDIOT Grendel wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 2:49pm: Grendel wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 4:42pm: Oh dear still posting pointless baseless crap eh bwian you must be losing track of when you even posted on topic here. I know I have  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Seems so far back bwian. when did you last post something on topic? What was it Merkel said about Multiculti? Did even she say it was a failure? UTTERLY FAILED wasn't it bwian? just like you and your comments bwian...  so sad... :D Try harder bwian.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D How many off topic flames is that you've posted now bwian? 100? 200? 300? 1000? ;)

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, one to answer everyone of your ad hominem posts, Geoff.   ::)

This is precisely how far-right extremism begins. The will of the people is being stymied by a very small yet very vocal political and academic elite. How do we stop the scourge of divisive multiculturalism and rampant immigration? Voting hasn't worked. Ringing Ray Hadley at six o'clock in the morning hasn't worked. Protesting will just lead to you being spat at and assaulted. I'm not advocating vigilantism and terrorism; I just don't see any other way of getting the message across.

meh bwian will never change...  logic and reality do not compute in his tiny little head.

Mr Hammer wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 8:46am:

This is precisely how far-right extremism begins. The will of the people is being stymied by a very small yet very vocal political and academic elite. How do we stop the scourge of divisive multiculturalism and rampant immigration? Voting hasn't worked. Ringing Ray Hadley at six o'clock in the morning hasn't worked. Protesting will just lead to you being spat at and assaulted. I'm not advocating vigilantism and terrorism; I just don't see any other way of getting the message across.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Hammer.  We've heard your message and most people have rejected it.  They don't believe in persecuting people simply because they are different like you do.   Tsk, tsk.   Time to get a new message, Hammer, this one is well past it's used by date.    ::) ::)

Grendel wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 4:29pm:

meh bwian will never change...  logic and reality do not compute in his tiny little head.

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Oh, poor, poor, Geoff.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk.  It seems you haven't been listening.  More ad hominem insults?  Silly sausage.    ::)

When will bwian actually address reality and stop his mindless TROLLING?


Grendel wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 4:42pm:

Oh dear still posting pointless baseless crap eh bwian you must be losing track of when you even posted on topic here. I know I have  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Seems so far back bwian. when did you last post something on topic? What was it Merkel said about Multiculti? Did even she say it was a failure? UTTERLY FAILED wasn't it bwian? just like you and your comments bwian...  so sad... :D

Hmmmm....  how many years has it been now eh bwian....  10? 20? :D :D :D :D :D

Still waiting patiently for a proper answer bwian...  any time you're ready.... :D :D :D

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Still trolling and using ad hominemn, I see, Geoff.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Still afraid to answer questions eh bwian...

yep Bwian still has nothing...

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 1:28pm:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Still trolling and using ad hominemn, I see, Geoff.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 11:04pm:

Poor, poor, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, he can't type now.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I feel so sorry for you, Soren.  I really do.  Don't use a spellchecker?  Don't check your messages to see if anything is misspelt before you post them?   All too hard, I suppose, in the heat of the moment, hey?   ::)

Clown ;D ;D ;D

Secret Wars wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 1:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 1:28pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Still trolling and using ad hominemn, I see, Geoff.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) Brian Ross wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:04pm: Poor, poor, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, he can't type now.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I feel so sorry for you, Soren.  I really do.  Don't use a spellchecker?  Don't check your messages to see if anything is misspelt before you post them?   All too hard, I suppose, in the heat of the moment, hey?   ::) Clown ;D ;D ;D

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Suffering now from coulrophobia?  Tsk, tsk, what did clowns ever do to you?   ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocM5GUx4TMU

‘You’re talking in a different language but nobody knows what you’re saying.  Go back to Turkey if you talk that poo. Oh no you can’t because poo gets blown up in Turkey.  That’s why you’re here mate – free benefits and a walker. Well your walker is going to go flying when this bus stops mate.’ The walker is indeed then thrown off the bus and down the road by the thug in question.

Now there are many things to be said about this ugly and deplorable cases.  But perhaps the most interesting is that the assailant is black.

Black Islamophobes. There's a dilemma for the bien pensants (that's French for 'PC monkeys') like Doktor Bwian.

Clash of pieties. Tut tut.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk, blaming me for other's actions?  Really, Soren?  Everybody is responsible for their own decisions and actions, just as you are.   ::)

We know you are responsible for your lies bwian...  but you have given yourself an out haven't you...  we need to be mind readers to prove it to your satisfaction... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
As others have said... you are a clown bwian

Grendel wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 10:22pm:

We know you are responsible for your lies bwian...  but you have given yourself an out haven't you...  we need to be mind readers to prove it to your satisfaction... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D As others have said... you are a clown bwian

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Geoff.  Your lies have been demonstrated by your inability to prove that I have "knowingly told an untruth".  You have failed.  Tsk, tsk. Still keeping up the ad hominem insults?  Obviously you're incapable of changing...   ::)

Nope....  just posting the truth bwian...  unlike yourself...  stop wasting everyone's time...  even for you it's now way beyond pathetic bwian

Grendel wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 11:00pm:

Nope....  just posting the truth bwian...  unlike yourself...  stop wasting everyone's time...  even for you it's now way beyond pathetic bwian

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Geoff.  You have no understanding of what constitutes the truth, poor man..  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

Oh no bwian....  that is not true...
You need to stop lying all the time bwian...
Stop being the biggest lying hypocrite on this site...

Grendel wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 10:17am:

Oh no bwian....  that is not true... You need to stop lying all the time bwian... Stop being the biggest lying hypocrite on this site...

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Geoff.   Still not getting the message.  Tsk, tsk.  Makes me wonder why I even bother, it really does.    ::)

Still not posting on topic eh bwian....  why do any of us bother?

Grendel wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 10:27pm:

Still not posting on topic eh bwian....  why do any of us bother?

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Geoff.   Still not getting the message.  Tsk, tsk.  Makes me wonder why I even bother, it really does.    ::)

We're all wondering the same thing, Bwian.

Mr Hammer wrote on May 4^th, 2017 at 2:15pm:

We're all wondering the same thing, Bwian.

I'm bored, Hammer.  One day, perhaps one of you will wake up just how foolish your views on Muslims/Multiculturalism/"race"/Xenophobia/etc. are.   Perhaps of course being the key word...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 10:07pm:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk, blaming me for other's actions?  Really, Soren?  Everybody is responsible for their own decisions and actions, just as you are.   ::)

Black Islamophobia - are you going to be racist by condemning a black man's views?

Does Islam trump race or does race trump culture/religion??


Multiculti dilemma - what happens when you start pandering to identity (ie 'multiculturalism'), the various ethnic and tribal and racial hatreds become hopelessly tangled. Whitey becomes the least of your problems - how to reconcile blacks with Muslims, indians with Muslims, blacks with chinese, burmese with bangladeshis, koreans and japanese, and so on and so forth.

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2017 at 8:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 10:07pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk, blaming me for other's actions?  Really, Soren?  Everybody is responsible for their own decisions and actions, just as you are.   ::) Black Islamophobia - are you going to be racist by condemning a black man's views? Does Islam trump race or does race trump culture/religion?? Multiculti dilemma - what happens when you start pandering to identity (ie 'multiculturalism'), the various ethnic and tribal and racial hatreds become hopelessly tangled. Whitey becomes the least of your problems - how to reconcile blacks with Muslims, indians with Muslims, blacks with chinese, burmese with bangladeshis, koreans and japanese, and so on and so forth.

As I have said, many times before, Soren, "race" is a social construct.   I don't recognise that there is any difference Genetically between the so-called "races", so your point is useless with me.  Tsk, tsk.   You are the racist, not me.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 3:54pm:

Frank wrote on May 4th, 2017 at 8:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 10:07pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk, blaming me for other's actions?  Really, Soren?  Everybody is responsible for their own decisions and actions, just as you are.   ::) Black Islamophobia - are you going to be racist by condemning a black man's views? Does Islam trump race or does race trump culture/religion?? Multiculti dilemma - what happens when you start pandering to identity (ie 'multiculturalism'), the various ethnic and tribal and racial hatreds become hopelessly tangled. Whitey becomes the least of your problems - how to reconcile blacks with Muslims, indians with Muslims, blacks with chinese, burmese with bangladeshis, koreans and japanese, and so on and so forth. As I have said, many times before, Soren, "race" is a social construct.   I don't recognise that there is any difference Genetically between the so-called "races", so your point is useless with me.  Tsk, tsk.   You are the racist, not me.    ::)

Is Islam a race or juts cultural stupidity?

Can I piss on Islam and not be racist? Is Islamophobia a social construct like race??


Are you a complete idiot or is that assessment a social construct like race?

What are the terms of any of our discussions and arguments that are NOT a social constructs, you eyewateringly ignorant, stupid old hag?

Frank wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 8:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 3:54pm: Frank wrote on May 4th, 2017 at 8:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 10:07pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk, blaming me for other's actions?  Really, Soren?  Everybody is responsible for their own decisions and actions, just as you are.   ::) Black Islamophobia - are you going to be racist by condemning a black man's views? Does Islam trump race or does race trump culture/religion?? Multiculti dilemma - what happens when you start pandering to identity (ie 'multiculturalism'), the various ethnic and tribal and racial hatreds become hopelessly tangled. Whitey becomes the least of your problems - how to reconcile blacks with Muslims, indians with Muslims, blacks with chinese, burmese with bangladeshis, koreans and japanese, and so on and so forth. As I have said, many times before, Soren, "race" is a social construct.   I don't recognise that there is any difference Genetically between the so-called "races", so your point is useless with me.  Tsk, tsk.   You are the racist, not me.    ::) Is Islam a race or juts cultural stupidity?

It is a religion.  Tsk, tsk, you really are stretching now, aren't you, Soren?   ::)

Wassup bwian don't like the stupidity of your arguments used against you?

tsk, tsk, tsk....  whatever shall we do with you ;D ;D ;D

Meanwhile away from bwian and back on topic...

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The reality of the multicultural ideology (despite what any of its promoters might claim) is that it actually encourages and supports various distasteful ethnic customs:     Treatment of women as second class citizens, including a "sheltered, separate, limited and thoroughly sexist upbringing for daughters" that exists among fundamentalist Muslims.(49)     Female genital mutilation (also known as female circumcision) by Africans.(50)     Girls raised in strict Muslim or Mediterranean households, not being allowed to associate socially with Australian classmates.(51)     Extremely rigid, and almost blindly obedient, patriarchal family structures.(52)     Arranged marriages, whereby brides (and sometimes grooms - depending on which culture is involved) have no say in the choosing of their partner. Indian and Australian Aboriginal arranged marriages can involve girls as young as eleven to fourteen being married to middle-aged men.(53)     The notion of the duty to kill to preserve family or blood honour.(54)     Aborigines being speared in the leg by other Aborigines, as tribal punishment for crimes, in line with their customary law (other types of punishment also occur).(55)     Ethnic hatreds, and traditional anti-Semitism.(56)

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STOP PRESS: Since the first edition of this publication, the point being made above has been borne out. Newspaper reports revealed that "Nativity plays and overly religious activities have been scrapped in many Melbourne kindergartens concerned about their culturally diverse proteges". The reality of multiculturalism brings forth a situation where Australian children are denied part of their traditional upbringing simply because a minority within their midst belong to other cultures. One kindergarten teacher ignored such "political correctness", and made a statement of common sense: "If we went to Japan or China, would they stop their shinto festivals, or moon festivals because of one or two children? Of course they wouldn't".(58) The reality of multiculturalism is that elements of Australian culture will slowly be forced from the public sphere, leading to the destruction of our national culture and identity. The point made previously bears repeating: "There should be no doubt in our minds that this is only the start of such matters."

Brian Ross wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 11:10pm:

Frank wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 8:34pm: Is Islam a race or just cultural stupidity? It is a religion.  Tsk, tsk, you really are stretching now, aren't you, Soren?   ::)

So Islam is a cultural construct, then.  And it's OK to criticise cultural construct, isn't it?

Or is Islam a cultural construct like race and therefore it doesn't really exist.

Frank wrote on May 6^th, 2017 at 12:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 11:10pm: Frank wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 8:34pm: Is Islam a race or just cultural stupidity? It is a religion.  Tsk, tsk, you really are stretching now, aren't you, Soren?   ::) So Islam is a cultural construct, then.  And it's OK to criticise cultural construct, isn't it? Or is Islam a cultural construct like race and therefore it doesn't really exist.

Religions are much deeper than a mere social construct in the way you are using the term, Soren.  It shows you do not understand the difference between "race", culture and religion and all three can intersect and overlap.    ::)

Yes bwian and race exists buddy....  oh dear.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Brian Ross wrote on May 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

Frank wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 12:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 11:10pm: Frank wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 8:34pm: Is Islam a race or just cultural stupidity? It is a religion.  Tsk, tsk, you really are stretching now, aren't you, Soren?   ::) So Islam is a cultural construct, then.  And it's OK to criticise cultural construct, isn't it? Or is Islam a cultural construct like race and therefore it doesn't really exist. Religions are much deeper than a mere social construct in the way you are using the term, Soren.  It shows you do not understand the difference between "race", culture and religion and all three can intersect and overlap.    ::)

You introduced the term 'social construct' about race.  And now you say religion goes deeper than social construct  - even though elsewhere you were happy to abolish all religions.


You are confused because you actually have no idea what you think. You are a slave to PC fads and in the end you have become a confused, incoherent old fool.

Frank wrote on May 6^th, 2017 at 6:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 3:14pm: Frank wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 12:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 11:10pm: Frank wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 8:34pm: Is Islam a race or just cultural stupidity? It is a religion.  Tsk, tsk, you really are stretching now, aren't you, Soren?   ::) So Islam is a cultural construct, then.  And it's OK to criticise cultural construct, isn't it? Or is Islam a cultural construct like race and therefore it doesn't really exist. Religions are much deeper than a mere social construct in the way you are using the term, Soren.  It shows you do not understand the difference between "race", culture and religion and all three can intersect and overlap.    ::) You introduced the term 'social construct' about race.  And now you say religion goes deeper than social construct  - even though elsewhere you were happy to abolish all religions.

Yep, sure am.  However, I recognise that other people might think differently to me, Soren.  Even you, which just wishes to persecute away one religion.   Tsk, tsk.    ::)


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You are confused because you actually have no idea what you think. You are a slave to PC fads and in the end you have become a confused, incoherent old fool.

Oh,dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, argumentum ad hominem again, Soren?   Such a silly sausage.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 6^th, 2017 at 6:51pm:

Frank wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 6:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 3:14pm: Frank wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 12:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 11:10pm: Frank wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 8:34pm: Is Islam a race or just cultural stupidity? It is a religion.  Tsk, tsk, you really are stretching now, aren't you, Soren?   ::) So Islam is a cultural construct, then.  And it's OK to criticise cultural construct, isn't it? Or is Islam a cultural construct like race and therefore it doesn't really exist. Religions are much deeper than a mere social construct in the way you are using the term, Soren.  It shows you do not understand the difference between "race", culture and religion and all three can intersect and overlap.    ::) You introduced the term 'social construct' about race.  And now you say religion goes deeper than social construct  - even though elsewhere you were happy to abolish all religions. Yep, sure am.  However, I recognise that other people might think differently to me, Soren.  Even you, which just wishes to persecute away one religion.   Tsk, tsk.    ::) Quote: You are confused because you actually have no idea what you think. You are a slave to PC fads and in the end you have become a confused, incoherent old fool. Oh,dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, argumentum ad hominem again, Soren?   Such a silly sausage.   ::)

So you must love all religions or dismiss all religions.

And you have a mail order Doctorate to show for that, do you?

Don't want human garbage:
https://vladtepesblog.com/2017/05/05/us-politics-islamic-penetrations-and-polish-mp-speaks-on-african-migration-links-1-on-may-5-2017/


Just so. The eyerolling at the end says he's right.

Frank wrote on May 6^th, 2017 at 8:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 6:51pm: Frank wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 6:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 3:14pm: Frank wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 12:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 11:10pm: Frank wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 8:34pm: Is Islam a race or just cultural stupidity? It is a religion.  Tsk, tsk, you really are stretching now, aren't you, Soren?   ::) So Islam is a cultural construct, then.  And it's OK to criticise cultural construct, isn't it? Or is Islam a cultural construct like race and therefore it doesn't really exist. Religions are much deeper than a mere social construct in the way you are using the term, Soren.  It shows you do not understand the difference between "race", culture and religion and all three can intersect and overlap.    ::) You introduced the term 'social construct' about race.  And now you say religion goes deeper than social construct  - even though elsewhere you were happy to abolish all religions. Yep, sure am.  However, I recognise that other people might think differently to me, Soren.  Even you, which just wishes to persecute away one religion.   Tsk, tsk.    ::) Quote: You are confused because you actually have no idea what you think. You are a slave to PC fads and in the end you have become a confused, incoherent old fool. Oh,dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, argumentum ad hominem again, Soren?   Such a silly sausage.   ::) So you must love all religions or dismiss all religions.

Nope.  Try again.  Lets see if you can work this out, Soren.  Try harder...   ::)


Quote:

And you have a mail order Doctorate to show for that, do you?

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, jealousy is a curse,  you realise, Soren?   University of Bologny wasn't it?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 6^th, 2017 at 9:35pm:

Frank wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 8:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 6:51pm: Frank wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 6:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 3:14pm: Frank wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 12:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 11:10pm: Frank wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 8:34pm: Is Islam a race or just cultural stupidity? It is a religion.  Tsk, tsk, you really are stretching now, aren't you, Soren?   ::) So Islam is a cultural construct, then.  And it's OK to criticise cultural construct, isn't it? Or is Islam a cultural construct like race and therefore it doesn't really exist. Religions are much deeper than a mere social construct in the way you are using the term, Soren.  It shows you do not understand the difference between "race", culture and religion and all three can intersect and overlap.    ::) You introduced the term 'social construct' about race.  And now you say religion goes deeper than social construct  - even though elsewhere you were happy to abolish all religions. Yep, sure am.  However, I recognise that other people might think differently to me, Soren.  Even you, which just wishes to persecute away one religion.   Tsk, tsk.    ::) Quote: You are confused because you actually have no idea what you think. You are a slave to PC fads and in the end you have become a confused, incoherent old fool. Oh,dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, argumentum ad hominem again, Soren?   Such a silly sausage.   ::) So you must love all religions or dismiss all religions. Nope.  Try again.  Lets see if you can work this out, Soren.  Try harder...   ::) [quote] And you have a mail order Doctorate to show for that, do you?

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, jealousy is a curse,  you realise, Soren?   University of Bologny wasn't it?   ::)
[/quote]How is division amongst the middle class (the most people) healthy for a country Brian?

Brian Ross wrote on May 6^th, 2017 at 6:51pm:

Even you, which just wishes to persecute away one religion.   Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Jim Treacher runs through the standard post-attack sequence, now being observed in the UK.


Let’s Remember The Real Victims Of The Manchester Bombing: Muslims

“Here’s the pattern, nine times out of ten":

1. A bunch of innocent people are horribly murdered

2. We’re warned not to assume it’s Islamic terrorism

3. It’s Islamic terrorism

4. #MuslimsFearBacklash

We’re now in stage 4: "Muslims In Manchester Fear Reprisals As Isis Claims Responsibility For Concert Attack."

Yes, it’s those terrible “feared reprisals” again.

This happens every time. Somehow, before the bodies have even cooled, the media turns Muslims everywhere into the real victims of an Islamic terrorist attack.

I’ll never understand the impulse to turn away from a pile of broken and bleeding corpses to assign victimhood to people who get dirty looks on the train.

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 10:19am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 6:51pm: Even you, which just wishes to persecute away one religion.   Tsk, tsk.    ::) Jim Treacher runs through the standard post-attack sequence, now being observed in the UK. Let’s Remember The Real Victims Of The Manchester Bombing: Muslims “Here’s the pattern, nine times out of ten": 1. A bunch of innocent people are horribly murdered 2. We’re warned not to assume it’s Islamic terrorism 3. It’s Islamic terrorism 4. #MuslimsFearBacklash We’re now in stage 4: "Muslims In Manchester Fear Reprisals As Isis Claims Responsibility For Concert Attack." Yes, it’s those terrible “feared reprisals” again. This happens every time. Somehow, before the bodies have even cooled, the media turns Muslims everywhere into the real victims of an Islamic terrorist attack. I’ll never understand the impulse to turn away from a pile of broken and bleeding corpses to assign victimhood to people who get dirty looks on the train.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie me.  Move along folks, move along.  Nothing new to see here, just Soren's tired old Islamophobia, all over again.   Tsk, tsk, you'd think he'd learn that he isn't convincing anyone with his endless persecution of Muslims for committing no crimes other than being Muslims.   Really.     ::)

I have an idea, Soren.  How about you start a thread where you don't bash anyone.  Willing to accept the challenge or is it too hard in your hatred?    ::)

There's a real disconnect between the citizens of western societies and the media/political elite. Everywhere people are talking about the problems of hatred and violence at the heart of Islam. Meanwhile, the self-appointed protectors of the light are saying, "Islamophobe", "Nothing to see here" and "Tsk Tsk, dearie me".

Mr Hammer wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

There's a real disconnect between the citizens of western societies and the media/political elite. Everywhere people are talking about the problems of hatred and violence at the heart of Islam. Meanwhile, the self-appointed protectors of the light are saying, "Islamophobe", "Nothing to see here" and "Tsk Tsk, dearie me".

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie me.  Move along folks, move along.  Nothing new to see here, just Hammers' tired old Islamophobia, all over again.   Tsk, tsk,    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 7:01pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie me.  Move along folks, move along.  Nothing new to see here, just Soren's tired old Islamophobia, all over again.   Tsk, tsk, you'd think he'd learn that he isn't convincing anyone with his endless persecution of Muslims for committing no crimes other than being Muslims.   Really.     ::) I have an idea, Soren.  How about you start a thread where you don't bash anyone.  Willing to accept the challenge or is it too hard in your hatred?    ::)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 7:01pm: Oh, dearie, dearie me.  Move along folks, move along.  Nothing new to see here, just Soren's tired old Islamophobia, all over again.   Tsk, tsk, you'd think he'd learn that he isn't convincing anyone with his endless persecution of Muslims for committing no crimes other than being Muslims.   Really.     ::) I have an idea, Soren.  How about you start a thread where you don't bash anyone.  Willing to accept the challenge or is it too hard in your hatred?    ::) http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

*SIGH*, no prizes for being second, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

No prizes for your boring repetitive crap either bwian...   ;D
Wassup don't like it when people use your tactics back at you....

tsk tsk tsk oh dearie dearie me....  your hypocrisy knows no bounds eh. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Multiculturalism will cause civil war in the West within five years, professor warns

David Betz, a professor of War Studies at King’s College London, has declared a “high statistical probability” of civil conflict “within one or more of at least a dozen countries” before 2030, after which it is extremely likely that this conflict will “metastasize” to other countries.

Betz describe Western states – including Britain, France and America – as “explosively configured” or as proverbial “powder kegs” or “ticking time-bombs” waiting to go off.

Betz’s comments come from a range of podcasts he has appeared on and are based on a 2023 paper he wrote for Military Strategy Magazine titled Civil War Comes to the West.
https://www.militarystrategymagazine.com/article/civil-war-comes-to-the-west/


Instead of the praise that diversity usually receives among elites, Betz views it as a highly destructive phenomenon. As he writes, multiculturalism (or “identity politics”) is a situation “in which people having a particular racial, religious, ethnic, social, or cultural identity tend to promote their own specific interests or concerns without regard to the interests or concerns of any larger political group.”

Multiculturalism, therefore, is not a source of strength but its polar opposite.  “It is this above all that makes civil conflict in the West not merely likely but practically inevitable,” Betz writes.

Nations that have adopted multiculturalism have seen a “collapse of trust”, a “draining of social capital” and an “acceleration of factional polarisation”, Betz adds.

This has been encouraged and “inflected by the introduction of identity politics” as the new social norm and has led to the “shattering of a generation of pre-political loyalties of national populations”.

This is obviously the situation now seen across Europe, North America and Australasia, with “White majorities (trending rapidly toward large minority status in some cases) [which] live alongside multiple smaller minorities”. This also explains the heavy-handed approach Western governments have taken to any form of “White nationalist” or “ethnic particularist” movement, no matter how numerically small.

Yet what has further enflamed tensions is that Anglo-European or “White” majorities are also subject to “a sort of ‘asymmetric multiculturalism’ in which in-group preference, ethnic pride, and group solidarity – notably in voting – are acceptable for all groups except Whites for whom such things are considered to represent supremacist attitudes that are anathematic to social order”.

This has led to a circumstance in which there is a is “a perception that the status quo is invidiously unbalanced, which provides an argument for revolt on the part of the White majority (or large minority) that is rooted in stirring language of justice.”

These are thus the chief causes of what Betz believes is the almost-certain presence of some form of imminent civil war.




About the author:
David Betz is Professor of War in the Modern World in the Department of War Studies, King’s College London where he heads the MA War Studies programme. He is also a Senior Fellow of the Foreign Policy Research Institute. His most recent book, The Guarded Age: Fortification in the 21st Century, is published by Polity (October 2023).

(But you wouldn't read about this in Cockwomble's 'Defence' board....)

Amazing how long BwYawn has been here only to tsk tsk. What a WOFTAM.

“Australian public universities are no longer run for education”, Dr Ciriello said. “They have been taken over by a managerial elite that prioritises profits over academic integrity. Vice-chancellors earn more than the Prime Minister, with 16 of 41 making over $1 million annually”.

“Casualisation has led to rampant wage theft, with universities underpaying staff by over $400 million nationally”.

“Universities have become addicted to international student fees, which account for up to 40% of revenue”, Dr Ciriello said.

Around the same time, the Guardian’s Caitlin Cassidy reported the views of more than a dozen academics who complained that Australian universities have devolved into little more than “degree factories” with “voluntary attendance, online classes, student numbers swelling” and soft marking.

In March 2025, more than 200 ‘old-school’ academics, known as Public Universities Australia, accused universities of “soft marking” and passing poorly performing students, which they claimed is “dumbing down the entire country”.

“Universities … tend to pass and graduate most students irrespective of the level of education actually achieved”, Public Universities Australia said in a scathing submission to the Senate education committee.

“There are manifestly worsening gaps in graduates’ basic knowledge and skills”.

“This is nothing less than a dumbing down of the entire country”.

Last week, University of Canberra law lecturer Andrew Henderson told a federal inquiry into university governance that community-run preschools faced tougher scrutiny than Australia’s public universities.

“It seems remarkable that a group of parents of young children at a small Canberra preschool could be subject to a more detailed [regulatory] regime, backed by criminal offences and provisions making them personally liable, than the council of a multi-million dollar educational institutions with thousands of students”, Henderson wrote.

“That seems even more remarkable considering recent events in Australian university council rooms”.

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2025/04/lawless-universities-devalue-australia/


Australia is SOLD OUT by the Bbwiyaws, karnals, KangaMongas, duckwits and others.

The Chinese, Indians, Arabs, Africans ALL ride on their moronic multiculti lies.

Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2025 at 8:00pm:

“Australian public universities are no longer run for education”, Dr Ciriello said. “They have been taken over by a managerial elite that prioritises profits over academic integrity.

Yes - I know all about interviewing engineers for jobs.

It's amazing what they don't know about engineering.
Many failed their interviews because of their poor knowledge.
In some cases it was a bit unfair as the academic syllabus has changed
since the 1980s and 1990s but
it's also true that they were not being taught topics that
are vital to know about for their profession.

It seems to me that the academic standards have slipped.   :-[

Bobby. wrote on Apr 28^th, 2025 at 9:27pm:

[quote author=Frank link=1489276753/86#86 date=1745834408]“Australian public universities are no longer run for education”, Dr Ciriello said. “They have been taken over by a managerial elite that prioritises profits over academic integrity.

Yes - I know all about interviewing engineers for jobs.

It's amazing what they don't know about engineering.
Many failed their interviews because of their poor knowledge.
In some cases it was a bit unfair as the academic syllabus has changed
since the 1980s and 1990s but
it's also true that they were not being taught topics that
are vital to know about for their profession.

It seems to me that the academic standards have slipped.   :-[/quote]

That is what engineers at your workplace told you, right?