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Spoken by a Sunni Muslim about the Ahmadi when an Ahmadi family was murdered.

Quote: The author's words:

"But what resonated loud and clear were classic anti-Ahmadi talking points from Muslim leadership. As one Sunni Muslim friend confessed—his own family told him “not to worry about it” because Ahmadis were “wajib ul qatl” (required to be killed) anyway".

Islam is touted as being a religion of peace, and then if the Ahmadi are okay to be genocidally wiped out like the Jews - then how about us Christians and secularists being in the firing line?

There's just nothing that comes out of this religion that recommends it as a good choice for putting its members onto the immigration gravy-train.

Gandalf's version of Islam must be a very rarefied version indeed, probably making him as much an outcast to orthodox Islam as the Ahmadi are.

"Ahmadiyya Islam was founded in 1889 by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (c. 1839-1908) in Qadian, Punjab, India. Ahmad claimed to be the appearance of the Messiah or, according to some sources, the manifestation of the prophet Muhammad and incarnation of Jesus and Krishna.

Ghulam Ahmad taught that Jesus feigned his crucifixion and resurrection, then lived to be 120 years old in India. Ahmad also reinterpreted jihad as a nonviolent battle against nonbelievers, using as its weapon the pen instead of the sword. These doctrines, along with the teaching that Ahmad was a prophet like Muhammad, have led Ahmadiyyas to be denounced as heretics by most of orthodox Islam.

It looks like the Sunni and Shia are pissed off with the Ahmadi because their founder 'reinterpreted' jihad as being non-violent and not at the point of a sword.

It doesn't say much for orthodox Islam if one of their objections to the Ahmadi is that they preach non-violence just as Gandhi did.

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At the moment muslims and their sick apologists prefer this slaughter to peace in the world.

The only way to stop these muslim atrocities is to thoroughly examine islam / allah / muhammad / qur'an with todays' values as the guiding perspective.

Both muslims and their apologists know islam can never withstand such an enquiry.

So they are quiet happy to let the blood crazed depravities of the muslim run unabated, rather than admit islam / allah / muhammad / qur'an are the cause and  motivation of all islamic barbarity in this world.   

moses wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 1:33pm:

At the moment muslims and their sick apologists prefer this slaughter to peace in the world. The only way to stop these muslim atrocities is to thoroughly examine islam / allah / muhammad / qur'an with todays' values as the guiding perspective. Both muslims and their apologists know islam can never withstand such an enquiry. So they are quiet happy to let the blood crazed depravities of the muslim run unabated, rather than admit islam / allah / muhammad / qur'an are the cause and  motivation of all islamic barbarity in this world.

Do the Ahmadi fit into this category or not?

The enemy of my friend is my enemy.

Maybe I'm clutching at straws here, but perhaps the Ahmadi just might be okay to live with in the West.

CORRECTION;
I meant to quote this from the OP, as context......


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Spoken by a Sunni Muslim about the Ahmadi when an Ahmadi family was murdered. Quote: The author's words: "But what resonated loud and clear were classic anti-Ahmadi talking points from Muslim leadership. As one Sunni Muslim friend confessed—his own family told him “not to worry about it” because Ahmadis were “wajib ul qatl” (required to be killed) anyway".

ISLAMIC LOGIC....

'Disbelievers cause wars and are responsible for them.'



All conflicts and wars with moslems [and with ISLAM],
are caused by disbelievers.
[i.e. the refusal of disbelievers to become moslems, OR, to submit, to becoming the slaves of moslems.]



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According to Muslim scholar Bassam Tibi,  "Muslims are religiously obliged to disseminate the Islamic faith throughout the world.... If non-Muslims submit to conversion or subjugation [enslavement], [then] this call can be pursued peacefully. If they do not, Muslims are obliged to wage war against them. Those who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them"  So....the infidels are the ones who don’t want world peace according to Islamic scholars.  World peace in accordance to Islamic teachings can be achieved only when all the people in the world submit themselves to Islam.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/Peaseforever60415.htm




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Ishaq:231 “Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders.”


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29



Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17

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The heart of ISLAM is the Koran  [and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains]. SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ; ---------- >

Herb wrote:


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Do the Ahmadi fit into this category or not? The enemy of my friend is my enemy. Maybe I'm clutching at straws here, but perhaps the Ahmadi just might be okay to live with in the West.

I don't know anything about them, all I know is that islam / allah / muhammad / qur'an in their present form present a clear cut threat to peace for all mankind.

It's no good cherry picking, pretending some verses don't really mean what they say etc. etc.

The whole thing has to be honestly evaluated with todays' values as the criteria.

moses wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 1:45pm:

Herb wrote: Quote: Do the Ahmadi fit into this category or not? The enemy of my friend is my enemy. Maybe I'm clutching at straws here, but perhaps the Ahmadi just might be okay to live with in the West. I don't know anything about them, all I know is that islam / allah / muhammad / qur'an in their present form present a clear cut threat to peace for all mankind. It's no good cherry picking, pretending some verses don't really mean what they say etc. etc. The whole thing has to be honestly evaluated with todays' values as the criteria.

You're quite right, and I've been unsuccessfully trying to Google some details of what the Ahmadi believe.

One out - All out!

That's probably the safest attitude with regard to our future generations.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 1:38pm:

Maybe I'm clutching at straws here, but perhaps the Ahmadi just might be okay to live with in the West.

The majority of Muslims are okay to live with in the West.

-------If you don't mind a bit of murder by vehicle, terror attacks, beheading, kids being taught to behead, home grown muslims going to join islamic terror groups, rape gangs, imams who preach hatred of non muslims, female genital mutilation, forced child marriage, never ending stream of lies and apologies trying to exonerate islamic depravities etc. 

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 1:14pm:

link Spoken by a Sunni Muslim about the Ahmadi when an Ahmadi family was murdered. Quote: The author's words: "But what resonated loud and clear were classic anti-Ahmadi talking points from Muslim leadership. As one Sunni Muslim friend confessed—his own family told him “not to worry about it” because Ahmadis were “wajib ul qatl” (required to be killed) anyway". Islam is touted as being a religion of peace, and then if the Ahmadi are okay to be genocidally wiped out like the Jews - then how about us Christians and secularists being in the firing line? There's just nothing that comes out of this religion that recommends it as a good choice for putting its members onto the immigration gravy-train. Gandalf's version of Islam must be a very rarefied version indeed, probably making him as much an outcast to orthodox Islam as the Ahmadi are.

It is essentially the same, a bogus interpretation of reality where one individual can have a better understanding than another, and therefore become a big Poo-bah.

moses wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 2:56pm:

-------If you don't mind a bit of murder by vehicle, terror attacks, beheading, kids being taught to behead, home grown muslims going to join islamic terror groups, rape gangs, imams who preach hatred of non muslims, female genital mutilation, forced child marriage, never ending stream of lies and apologies trying to exonerate islamic depravities etc.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/03/Martin_Bryant.jpg/220px-Martin_Bryant.jpg

35 innocent people murdered.

Blonde, blue-eyed, dinky-di Australian.

Muslims killing Ahmadis in moderate Indonesia.

Allahu Akbar indeed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKAWVbsx5hY

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 2:17pm:

moses wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 1:45pm: Herb wrote: Quote: Do the Ahmadi fit into this category or not? The enemy of my friend is my enemy. Maybe I'm clutching at straws here, but perhaps the Ahmadi just might be okay to live with in the West. I don't know anything about them, all I know is that islam / allah / muhammad / qur'an in their present form present a clear cut threat to peace for all mankind. It's no good cherry picking, pretending some verses don't really mean what they say etc. etc. The whole thing has to be honestly evaluated with todays' values as the criteria. You're quite right, and I've been unsuccessfully trying to Google some details of what the Ahmadi believe. One out - All out! That's probably the safest attitude with regard to our future generations.

The Ahmadis dropped the obligation for Jihad and are happy with separation of Mosque and state, mainstream Islam considers them deviant heretical non muslims.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 1:38pm: Maybe I'm clutching at straws here, but perhaps the Ahmadi just might be okay to live with in the West. The majority of Muslims are okay to live with in the West.

The majority don't matter.

Once more for the dyslexic ADHD kid at the back of the class :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnOF7y-KuHE

issuevoter wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 3:34pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 1:14pm: Gandalf's version of Islam must be a very rarefied version indeed, probably making him as much an outcast to orthodox Islam as the Ahmadi are. It is essentially the same, a bogus interpretation of reality where one individual can have a better understanding than another, and therefore become a big Poo-bah.

Are you saying that Gandalf is basically full of poo?  8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 2:19pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 1:38pm: Maybe I'm clutching at straws here, but perhaps the Ahmadi just might be okay to live with in the West. The majority of Muslims are okay to live with in the West. The majority don't matter.

Oh, but they do.

It's the Islamophobes who don't matter.

I was under the impression Grandalf was a qualified Great and Grand Mufti.

greggerypeccary wrote; Reply #10 - Today at 4:20pm


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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/03/Martin_Bryant.jpg/220px-Martin_Bryant.jpg 35 innocent people murdered. Blonde, blue-eyed, dinky-di Australian.

Indeed this individual committed the most horrific crime against humanity.

I'm interested in the connection to islam.

We all know that depravity is part and parcel of islamic tenets.

We know the founder of islam was a thief liar rapist pedophile torturer and mass murderer.

We all know that muslims commit the foulest of deeds against their fellow man, without the slightest degree of conscience, while citing the innumerable commands, teachings and verses which advocate unspeakable atrocities as the sacred duty of the muslim.

So there is absolutely no doubt that islam / allah / muhammad / qur'an cause and motivate islamic atrocities against their fellow man.

Now tell me about your example:

What specific group of people does he belong to, does the aggregation of people he belongs to have a core value (like islam) of committing inhumanities against their fellow man?

Does his group have a founder who was an inhumane torturer and mass murderer (again like islam)?

Did he praise the name of a god or perhaps his founder when he committed his foul deeds (also like islam)?

Does he believe that if he had died while committing his crime that he would automatically enter a paradise which promised unlimited sex with alien beings with big tits and little boys (once again a core value of islam)?

Does his group expound a belief that mass murderers like him are the highest grade of human according to some god of theirs (exactly like islam once again)?   

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 5:04pm:

The Ahmadis dropped the obligation for Jihad and are happy with separation of Mosque and state, mainstream Islam considers them deviant heretical non muslims.

They dropped the obligation for violent jihad.

Mainstream Islam advocates for theocracy and believes that democracy is a blasphemy against Allah.

Johnnie wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 5:42pm:

I was under the impression Grandalf was a qualified Great and Grand Mufti.

It's my guess that Gandalf likes muff, but I'm not too sure he's some sort of a mullah yet.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 7:03pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 5:04pm: The Ahmadis dropped the obligation for Jihad and are happy with separation of Mosque and state, mainstream Islam considers them deviant heretical non muslims. They dropped the obligation for violent jihad. Mainstream Islam advocates for theocracy and believes that democracy is a blasphemy against Allah.

When mainstream Islam accepts the Ahmadis then I will believe Islam can be reformed.

The persecution of the Ahmadis by mainstream Islam shows they don't like any attempt to reform that crappy belief.