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Title: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by The Mechanic on Mar 5th, 2017 at 8:27am
its just non stop with these scumbags...
Donald J Trump is the Democratically Elected President of the United States but this scum is doing every thing they can to go against the will of the people... there are so many plants in the Trump administration its just not funny.... Flynn should never have resigned... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBTMKLmdpho |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Fireball on Mar 5th, 2017 at 9:03am
These Leftwankers just will not accept the election result.
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Dnarever on Mar 5th, 2017 at 9:08am
You don't think it is just that his paranoid delusions are self fulfilling ?
Take into consideration that he is by far the most unpopular new president ever and it relates to a number of serious issues that would mean he should have never been elected as President, there has never been a previous president that the people of the US didn't get behind following the election not until now. This guy is just one step too far. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by macman on Mar 5th, 2017 at 9:40am
This guy will just serve out his term but will never be accepted by the general sane population of america as president. He is a disgrace to the position with his lies and deceit. America made a huge mistake and now must bide their time to turf the idiot.
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by The Mechanic on Mar 5th, 2017 at 6:52pm Dnarever wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 9:08am:
absolute garbage... I've been on a few open live forums lately with Americans... there is non stop Praise for Trump... just like before the election how the Lame Stream Media said. that Clinton was going to win by a landslide!!! and everyone hated Trump!!! Turns out... IT WAS ALL FAKE NEWS AND LIES... and now after the election? "oh, he's so unpopular." ... BULLSHIT>>>>>>>> and that of the ongoing attacks on the Trump administration is an utter disgrace... >:( |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Unforgiven on Mar 5th, 2017 at 6:54pm
Trump is going down not because of the deep state, but because he has lost his sanity, if indeed he ever had it.
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Unforgiven on Mar 5th, 2017 at 6:55pm President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 6:52pm:
The Mechanic has never been more lucid. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by The Mechanic on Mar 5th, 2017 at 6:56pm
and the main reason that they want Trump out is because he's already making the passed Presidents look like Jackass's and crooks..
which they are... they have to get Him out ASAP because things are going so well... the stock market is BOOMING and everyone in the US has now got more confidence and hope is back in town... so far he's smashing it out of the park.. SO LETS BRING THE RUSSIANS BACK.... THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING.. and it was the ******* Clintons who sold Uranium to the Russians... after they forced them to donate MILLIONS into the Clinton foundation.... fair dinkum.... |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 5th, 2017 at 6:57pm President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 8:27am:
Why did Trump accept his resignation? |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Dnarever on Mar 5th, 2017 at 7:09pm President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 6:52pm:
If what you have said was true than you would not be here starting topics like this. You don't start a topic crying about everyone picking on poor Donny and then claim that everyone loves him. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Dnarever on Mar 5th, 2017 at 7:11pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 6:57pm:
Because Trump asked him to resign most likely. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Richdude on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:54am
Lets be clear.
The media, establishment, oligarchs, bureaucrats and paid shills like unforgiven, weekend, greg all hate Trump. The people LOVE Trump. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 6th, 2017 at 7:54am
The level of delusion by our resident Trumpoids is both amazing and disturbing. It is clearly obvious that there is no level of proof they would ever accept for an anti-trump accusation. After all, they deny that trump sexually assaulted anyone even after Trump himself confirmed it.
it is entertaining watching them squirm. When Trump is impeached and probably sent to prison, they will deny it even happened. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 6th, 2017 at 7:55am Fuzzball wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 9:03am:
You mean the election that the Russians interfered in to give Trump victory? |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Unforgiven on Mar 6th, 2017 at 9:55am
Trump has several bullet holes in both feet.
Trump's opponents don't need to fight. They can just lie back, laugh, and wait for the certain Trump implosion. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Sprintcyclist on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:14pm President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 6:56pm:
X 2 And a good observation |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Sprintcyclist on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:14pm Richdude wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:54am:
X 2 |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:23pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
based on what? massive grass-roots anti-trump demonstrations across the nation and historically lowest-ever approval ratings of the president? ALL the evidence points to him being massive UNpopular. and the Republicans in congress are slowly coming around to oppose him as well. Impeachment before year's end is a high possibility. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Richdude on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:05pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:23pm:
Umm ... common sense! The findings of a recent public poll discovered that 88% of people think that the MSM is anti - Trump. So maybe his approval ratings may be a little biased? Like during the last election. Fake news! Don't you worry Mr Weekend - its all working out very well for Donald. We are very fortunate to have such an intelligent, imaginative and sane leader. Trump will be the best president since Jackson. WAGP! |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Fireball on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:29pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:23pm:
Face up to reality, his only unpopularity is with leftard sh!t, illegal border crossers, drug mules, criminals in general but Mexicans in particular, queers, and the luvvies in Hollywood. The opinionated cr@p of America. The average American welcomes a new begining under Trump. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 6th, 2017 at 2:16pm Richdude wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
Thats just more of your fake news lies. There is no such credible poll you can find. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 6th, 2017 at 2:17pm Fuzzball wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:29pm:
You might want to wish that, but the massive grassroots protests and the increasingly contrarian congress might be a clue that the real world is not as you imagined it to be. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Redmond Neck on Mar 6th, 2017 at 2:19pm |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by The Mechanic on Mar 6th, 2017 at 8:20pm
in light of the wire tapping...
I'll accept everyone apologies who said that the Deep State WaR was BS.... |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Richdude on Mar 7th, 2017 at 2:29am longweekend58 wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 2:16pm:
Agreed! Exaggerated to be sure - the majority of Americans are not that sharp. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 7th, 2017 at 2:54pm President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 8:20pm:
In light of the LIE about wiretapping I accept your apology for supporting a pathological liar - Trump. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 7th, 2017 at 2:55pm Richdude wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 2:29am:
so your opinion is that if they agree with Trump then they are smart and if not, they are dumb? You might want to revisit that. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by The Mechanic on Mar 7th, 2017 at 6:26pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 2:54pm:
fair dinkum.... you are just too stupid to engage.. at least with a computer you only have to punch the information in once... |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 7th, 2017 at 6:40pm President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 6:26pm:
It is a PROVEN lie you dumb turd. the head of american intelligence DENIED that it happened as did the FBI and pretty much everyone else who could know. And trump gave ZERO evidence. He is an idiot and a pathological liar and you damage your own reputation by subscribing to his stupidity. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:04pm
We have to wonder how long the American people will tolerate Trump's damaging of the presidency. Its barely been 6 weeks and Trump has lowered the esteem of the office into the gutter... Not since Nixon's disgracing of the office has it been as bad.
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:27pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:04pm:
you haven't learnt a thing |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:36pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:27pm:
Just wondering... What 'generation' are you ? Baby-boomer, Gen X, Gen Y? |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:48pm
will an answer help your fantasy of impeaching trump?
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:08am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:48pm:
Not likely... I've posted to the General Board... |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Richdude on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:17am NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:04pm:
No the press has created that impression. They have vilified, harassed and given him no respect at all even though he is POTUS. Trump has shown great restraint in dealing with these fools. I'll say this again. What we have going on now is war! An undeclared war between the oligarchs and their minions and the US people. Of course it is never presented that way - never is. Only the stupid believe what they see and hear in the media. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:22am Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:17am:
So a 'Trump' personality is an American example of restraint? Explains Scientology. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Richdude on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:22am:
Scientology? No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has. He will derail the gravy train. WAGP! |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:47am Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
After psychiatrists /psychologists, the professionals that Scientologists hate are journalists. If you knew anything about Trump, you'd know that Trump will derail the gravy train for this reason - he is (a) congenitally self-destructive and (b) he is the gravy train... Just ask Bannon. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by AiA on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:52am
There's no Deep State in Washington. There's a Deep Bureaucracy with loyalty to country before President. Big constraint on Trump.
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by The Mechanic on Mar 8th, 2017 at 5:20am AiA wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:52am:
sure m8 .. you've been incorrect 100% of the time on this forum why start being right now... ::) |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by AiA on Mar 8th, 2017 at 5:27am President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 5:20am:
prove me wrong polesmoker ... |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Richdude on Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:35am AiA wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:52am:
No deep state! The administration changes as well as congress but those in the background never do. Their very existence is classified for "National Security" purposes. You are not well informed AiA! |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by AiA on Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:38am Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:35am:
another polesmoker who can't read ... |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by aquascoot on Mar 8th, 2017 at 7:07am
NoN , you are stuck in the group think of social conditioning.
The media are, by definition, going to have to connect with all the durr state people and they do this by presenting outrage, conspiracy theories, trying to incite the mob to get out the pitchforks. thats how they connect. There are probably mayors in american cities who do a fantastic job. will the media ever mention their names? No, because the media only deal in scandal and doom and gossip and conspiracy theories. It wouldnt matter if trump did good or bad things, the media are only going to present the gossip, the wild accusations, the scandal...because thats the only thing that will get "fat steve" to engage. You cant trust them to report anything like the truth. seemingly intelligent people like yourself and longy are just being sucked into this system and you should ignore it (just like i would ignore media crap about obama being smuggled in from kenya). they are just playing you buddy. Settle down, see how he;s travelling in 2 years and get back to us then |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
Really? So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press? None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Sad Kangaroo on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:46am
Given there are so many people, from all sides of politics (even if they voted for him because they have to vote against the Dems) who take issue and are critical about Trump, rather than just dismissing it as "leftwankers can't accept the result" or some other such insulting coward punch of an attack, is it worth asking why, like really asking why?
It's easy to attack those who don't share the same views as yourself, and boy do Trump supporters looooooove to do that, but what comes with that is a total dismissal and ignoring of what the person they've attacked has to say and why they're saying it. It's important to keep that in mind. I take issue with much of what Trump says and does because he's for too long been in a position of power where there were no checks and balances and he could do terrible despicable things without any accountability. Even in business, when things got tough, he just declared bankruptcy protecting his assets and destroying others livelihoods and even their lives. On top of that, he's far to concerned with being a "winner" and the idea of people liking and admiring him. It's just a shame that he would rather spin his way into such a position with marketing and PR tactics and character assassinations of his rivals than by his actions and you know, earning the admiration. Any hint to the contrary (that he's not a winner or someone doesn't like him or god forbid are critical of his actions or speech) sends him on the attack, the "thin skinned" nature we're all far too used to by now. He had the entire election campaign to prove himself, to rise above all of that yet he only sunk lower and lower. He's not a good leader, end of story. Lying was a big issues when he was painting Clinton as "Crooked Hillary". Private Email Servers, leaking of information, cosying up to "the establishment", all things unacceptable when attacking Clinton. But these have been his modus operandi since being inaugurated, if not before, so on top of everything else, he's a giant hypocrite to boot. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to be critical of Trump and as supporters of his, you owe it to yourselves to understand these and be informed, rather than dismiss them as if you're rooting for your favourite sporting team. Blind devotion is much worse than blind hate. Neither are good, but you really can't complain about one when you're guilty of the other. But what would I know, I'm just a shill spreading fake news apparently. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Karnal on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am:
I don't even understand how it's bad press. It's news. Now I think Trump supporters believe it's bad press, but I want to see more evidence that "enemies of the American people" such as CNN, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the LA Times, BBC, etc, are somehow attacking Trump or presenting biased information. Let's discuss a "bad press" feature article by American "enemy", the Washington Post. It's one of the most negative I can find. I can see how it's most unfavourable to Donald Trump, but I can't see anything biased, skewed or untrue in this article. A number of Trump biographies contain eyewitness accounts of Trump doing exactly what's claimed below. These aren't lies, they're facts about a US president. Surely this is exactly what the press should be reporting on. Like most "negative" stories on Trump, the evidence comes from Trump's own words. Quote:
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Karnal on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:58am
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Karnal on Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:06am Quote:
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:56am Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am:
Yes... Although they, themselves would have considered it bad press (and sometimes it was bad press)... BTW according to certain reporters, Obama did not appreciate being lampooned and having his statements twisted for comical or political effect and would tell the reporter as much and in an animated way... However, it was always done privately and not via a neurotic twitter-storm... And it wasn't over every issue large or trivial. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:56am:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Karnal on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:09pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:56am:
Well yes, but did he declare a "war on the media"? Did he declare them "enemies of the American people?" Did he accuse them of telling porkies? Did he refuse them entry to White House press briefings? That would be the sensible thing to do, shurely. But I'm curious. Can you see evidence of any bias or fake news in the article I've quoted above? Can you understand why anyone might consider it to be an unreasonable attack on a presidential candidate? |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:28pm SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:46am:
you still don't get it. think about why people support protectionist measures for industry. think about why people want a wall on the border. think about why people want the interventions in the middle east to stop. think about why ordinary working people are tired of being lectured to by people who don't share their interests, such as celebrities, soros, academics and about 90% of journalists. 99% of criticisms of trump never hit on any of these issues. they always dance around them. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:30pm Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
the media is having a hissy fit because someone isn't taking their crap anymore. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Karnal on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:35pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:30pm:
Thanks, Mistie. Can you show where the media is having a hissy fit? I've included one of the enemy's articles as a case in point, but feel free to provide your own example. You might want to highlight any lies, bias, or offensive or provocative language you come across. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Honky on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:41pm Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
Nah, he just had them killed: Quote:
You might also recall a few months back an assassination attempt on Putin, where a car travelling on the other side of the road plowed into his usual car...only Putin wasn't in it. Very fishy in light of the latest revelations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmJPncqoPvE |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:44pm Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:35pm:
there was about 5 million articles comparing him to hitler. go fetch 'em yourself. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Karnal on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:46pm
I can't find any, Mistie. Do you want to use my article?
What do you think of it, by the way? |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Karnal on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:48pm ... wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:41pm:
Thanks, Honky. Can I just confirm - are you saying Obama ordered the assassination of journalists? Please explain. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid... He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan... Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before... |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Richdude on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:55pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
No one really cares what you 2 retards think anymore. You are both irrelevant. Trump is on his way to being the greatest President ever - hopefully for 8 years. What crap is having a footnote "Conviction is the art of being certain". What total BS! LOL! |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Bojack Horseman on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:58pm Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
Given how little he's accomplishged so far, he's well on his way equals me kangaroo hopping a Volkswagen at the start of a 1000 km journey., |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:10pm Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
Did I touch a raw nerve, then? 'the greatest president ever'?? What? Are you 12? |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by aquascoot on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:20pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
ah, that would be the reason that every nation on earth copies their culture, watches their movies, adores their celebrities, eats their fast food ,copies their theme parks, flock to see their rockstars, copies their music, buys their software, buys their smartphones, communicates on their social media....because americans are just so stupid ;) |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:23pm aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
I see all those self-help books haven't helped you comprehend what you read, then! |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Bojack Horseman on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:24pm aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
I buy samsung. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by aquascoot on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:31pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:23pm:
i'm not saying i agree with it. i'm not saying you should do it. i'm just saying that america is pretty smart at understanding the durp state most people are in . they arent stupid. trump is pretty smart at understanding the durp state most people are in. he isnt stupid. There are 2 important aspects of climbing the narrow road to success and both are to do with the person you "become". route one is to be a killer executor who takes massive action. do that and you will get enough "reference experiences ' to understand "reality". route two is to attempt to become spiritually enlightened. the trouble with a lot of people who go this route is that they are just as attached to their ego (i am a spiritually enlightened person , look at me) as some rich prick flaunting his ferrari ( i am rich and successful, look at me). at the core, the morally superior intellectula who is attached to that is no different to the rich businessman who is attached to his toys. its the same sh*t. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by aquascoot on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:34pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:24pm:
well the prime minister of south korea may be facing serious jail time over accepting millions in bribes from samsung, so i think Trump and american tech may be more ethical |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Bojack Horseman on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:43pm aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:34pm:
A bit like Hitler being more evil than Stalin I guess. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Karnal on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:49pm aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:34pm:
I think you mean Irish or Cayman Islands tech, Aquascoot. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:49pm Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
ironic much... Trump is certainly headed for conviction. CRIMINAL conviction. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:50pm aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:31pm:
you write utter drivel, much of it is insane. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:01pm aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:31pm:
What I'm saying is that many Americans are gullible for a certain personality type... The loud, charismat who can spin a wild hyperbolic and bullshit yarn, even if he's deeply flawed (sometimes especially if he's flawed... It touches their Puritanical religious heart strings). These characters seem to act on their psyche like a Siren to Greek sailors, they just can't help but be drawn to it even to their destruction... American culture rewards that kind of personality.Such as Joseph Smith (Mormonism), L Ron Hubbard (Scientology), Donald Trump, Jim Jones (Jonestown), David Koresh (Branch Davidians) among a myriad of others... |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Sprintcyclist on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:05pm aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
Yes and historically, the greater America has been, the better the world has been. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Karnal on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:27pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
Actually, he got his lawyers to send a cunning letter to Bill Maher. It provided a copy of Trump's birth certificate to prove that Trump is not the son of an orangutan, and demanded that Bill Maher provide evidence to the contrary or be sued for untold billions for lying about Mr Trump's status as a human and costing him billions - if not trillions - in lost contracts. Bill's still waiting for the subpoena. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Karnal on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:28pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
That's true, Sprint. Just look at Iraq. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:46pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
which is why the rest of the world is freaking out over the absolute CLOWN they put in charge of the joint. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by aquascoot on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:58pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:46pm:
no longy, YOU and people like YOU are freaking out because you like the comfort zone, the familiar, the pleasuring of yourself that you can get in a durrrr state. America has had periods that were way more chaotic. the great depression pearl harbour and WW2 the cuban missile crisis assasination of JFK the vietnam war twin towers you have to go thru chaos to move forward systems re arrange themselves and make themselves better during periods of chaos if trump upsets the status quo, this is a good thing some light reading for you 9780141038223.jpg (17 KB | 13
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 8th, 2017 at 4:01pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:46pm:
Replete, even, with orange face makeup... As time goes by I'm guessing he'll add the red lipstick, then the white paint around the eyes,the blue tufts of hair and finally the big red nose that honks when a midget pulls it. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 8th, 2017 at 4:02pm aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
during each of those periods, America had a competent president and leadership. Now, they have the muppets with virtually no idea what to do. Everything they touch is a disaster. The state Department has virtually no staff. Most of the 630 appointments have not been made so the WH is running under-staffed and incompetently. And Trump is showing multiple signs of being mentally ill or just plain UNHINGED. This is the biggest crisis for USA since the civil war. USA needs the 25th amendment, impeachment or a bullet. Anything less could be literally disastrous. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 8th, 2017 at 4:02pm aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Really? The status quo is that we don't accept women being sexually assaulted. You're happy with Trump changing that, are you? |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 8th, 2017 at 4:18pm greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 4:02pm:
he might change his mind if trump assaulted horses. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Karnal on Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:10pm greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 4:02pm:
That's just PC nonsense. As Mr Trump says, if you're a star, you can do anything. Give them a kiss, grab them by the pussy, whatever you like. And he's the president. I'd say he's changed the status quo already, wouldn't you? It's just a pity that, apart from sexual assault, he hasn't changed much else. Still, the "progressives" won't be happy, so it's all good. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by red baron on Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:22pm
I wonder how the 40 million people on the unemployment queues felt about Donald Trump being elected, call me optimistic but I would say they felt pretty damned good..because someone has finally turned up who actually gives a dam about them
Oh and the 30% of Americans NOT covered by Obama Care most probably feel pretty chuffed too 8-) |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Karnal on Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:32pm red baron wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:22pm:
Did you say 30%, Red? Would you like to clarify that? But I'm curious. How many Americans had health insurance before Obamacare? We can get to the unemployment rate before and after Obama too if you'd like, but I'd appreciate an answer to these two questions first, if you don't mind. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 8th, 2017 at 7:34pm red baron wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:22pm:
40 million huh? That is just more fake new that you are too stupid to reject. the unemployment rate is under 5%. and under Trump 50% of americans wont get health coverage. Why are you so gullible? |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Marla on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:01am
The expansion and threat of an upcoming and inevitable of war now coupled with repression and mass surveillance has now been handed over to the administration of Donald Trump, a government of capitalist and corrupted to the core billionaires, generals and outright fascists that is determined to bring war to the globe meanwhile carrying out unprecedented attacks on the working class in America.
The useless, outdated and out of touch Democratic Party is calling for a special prosecutor over (their) alleged Russian “meddling” in the US election. This insane demand is only aimed at sustaining the US war drive against Russia and diverting the mass opposition to Trump into reactionary channels - and that may work for a while. Problem is while Trump is calling for a probe of [his] alleged bugging of personal communications, neither side has zero interest calling for a proper investigation of the CIA spying operation. In this bourgeoisie capitalist police state both Democrats and Republicans are too busy blowing each other that such police-state measures are required to defend America's decaying and rotting capitalist system against the threat of any social revolution by the working class. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Sad Kangaroo on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:18am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:28pm:
That might be true, but Trump's own record shows he's no better. Sure, he's only ruined lives in the private sector not politics (at least up until his inauguration) so you can't link to specific instances of his wrong doing, or at least selfish exploitative behaviour in politics, but look at who he is surrounding himself with. He's no better than the establishment his apologists like to paint, only less competent and less capable. And for all your hate on celebrities, they've turned to him in a big way because he is a celebrity. His business dealing may have worked out well for him, his family and the higher ups in the executive levels, but not many others. Again, I want to be wrong, but it looks like his politics will be the same, not that good for the people on the ground, but great for him, his family and his inner circle. The only real "evidence" we have to go on that would suggest that he will be different, is his word. We know what that's worth. But just in case you didn't, sweet bugger all. Look at how his ObamaCare replacement is shaping up... That was meant to be one of his more easy fixes, again, if you believed him. The short version is that many people see in Trump what they want, all under the banner of "make america great again". I don't know why they've chosen Trump given the irrefutable facts about his past and when that sort of dishonest and exploitative nature continues, they double down and defend him when much less was utterly unacceptable under his opponents. You can go on about how all these other type of people are out of touch etc, but it like you've dismissed everyone else in the room, got to Trump and though "well, there is nobody else here, no point in running a background check on him". He's almost getting the support of the people, by default. He hasn't earned it and he doesn't stand for what people use to justify their support of him. He wants cheap labour, he wants to exploit undocumented or imported workers, he wants more tax cuts and better treatment for the rich, he wants to keep the loopholes in place that he and his trust/corporate setups use to not pay any tax in the first place, he was a believer in universal health care like Obamacare and a woman's right to choose, hell he even said the state should stay out of the bathroom debate and let people use which ever one they want. But he's back tracked on all of that or is simply telling the people what he thinks they need to hear to win their trust. Sure his opponents aren't perfect, but unless people are willing to apply the same logic and standards to their support of Trump as they do to their hatred of his opponents, he'll be nothing more than the winner by default, undeserving of their support and he'll turn on them and exploit them as soon as he gets the chance, again for his own personal gain. The fact that many like you can't see this, or choose to look the other way is very scary. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:23am Marla wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:01am:
Some time ago, I read a characterisation of the CIA as the US president's personal secret army that no commander-in-chief has been able to resist using, no matter how pure his intentions at the start of his administration. Apparently a Democrat president is more likely to hold out against the lure of this covert raw power than a Republican one... But, in the end, they all can't resist it. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Sad Kangaroo on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:24am aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
It's one thing to upset the status quo, AND THEN? You want someone like him rewriting the books going forward? This is what people are worried about. He's a wolf in an ill-fitting orange human suit. He's already made moves that would suit him and those like him over the "forgotten people" you really think he can be trusted to rebuild the system after he's destroyed it, something he and especially Bannon seem determined to do!? |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Marla on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:34am NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:23am:
The C.I.A. has apparently stockpiled what they deem as "weaponized Zero-Day” threats which can be instantaneously be used to exploit any unidentified vulnerabilities in a wide range of devices before their manufacturer is able to detect the flaw and correct it. This was big in the Obama administration where they had supposedly established a “Vulnerabilities Equities Process,” under which the C.I.A. would inform manufacturers of most software vulnerabilities while keeping some to itself for exploitation. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:47am SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:18am:
Great post! The habit of leaders' reversing their position once in power is, of course, age old... The most historically dramatic was Napoleon, who began his political career as the great liberator and destroyer of the hereditary arrogation of power - a 'draining of the swamp' if you like - (promising liberty, equality and brotherhood), but then crowned himself emperor, married a Hapsburg Princess and elevated his family to aristocracy throughout the French conquered territories of Europe. But, at least he was philosophical about his chances of controlling his own destiny, with his metaphorical acknowledgement of the role the 'goddess of fortune' would play in his fate, lamenting that when the goddess was done with him, he would be swept aside by her and extracted from history... |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:34am
How long before we get 'Deep State' - the movie?
It's a perfect (but soon to be hackneyed) title for a conspiracy theory plot... |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:07am NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:34am:
Its a fabulous idea for a movie. Tom Cruise or Matt Damon.... the trouble is that no matter how ridiculous it was, Trumpoids would call it a documentary. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:15pm SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:18am:
i've stated this before, but i'll form a proper judgment on his achievements, or lack thereof, after he's spent more time in the role - somewhere between the 100 days and 3 year mark. if he fails to carry out some of the main issues he spoke about, then i'll criticise him. at this stage though, it's just frothing at the mouth leftists offering comment, and they're far too emotional and retarded to be taken seriously. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 9th, 2017 at 6:04pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:15pm:
You dont think he has done enough bad stuff now to criticise? The russia hacking that he DENIES? the wire-tap comments that are provably FALSE? The incredible and continuing lies? The perjury and lying by his appointees? |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 10th, 2017 at 6:10am
trump's main purpose is to put a dent in leftardism - the cultural and racist loathing and hate perpetuated by the left. this concern overrides all others. a few lies - either real or imaginary - don't register. do you think leftards care about their lies and violence when trying to implement their identity politics fantasies? no. the rules have changed. live with it. alinksy is now an alt-rightist.
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 10th, 2017 at 8:04am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 6:10am:
Actually his role is to run the government - something he has to date, done little of. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Sad Kangaroo on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:07am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 6:10am:
You've totally misjudged the role of the President. Only a "conservatard" to use your childish language, could be so dumb. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:20am
presidents can initiate and help with all kinds of things. standing up to the cultural left is one of those. obama, and nearly every other pm and president in the west for the last 40 years, was used by globalists and self-loathing leftists to help with their aims.
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Sad Kangaroo on Mar 10th, 2017 at 10:16am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:20am:
"Leftists", "Globalists", "Cultural Left", they're all red flags mate... Seek help. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 10th, 2017 at 10:23am
nope. i am more conversed in the cultural left than most people. i studied it for years (often not voluntarily). care to do a few rounds?
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by it_is_the_light on Mar 10th, 2017 at 10:25am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRZO4SiXWZQ&feature=youtu.be
Judge Napolitano: For the first Time in Modern Era We Have President Who Is Adversary of Deep State Published on Mar 6, 2017 Judge Napolitano on President Trump: "The Deep State has a very wise and shrewd adversary, the man in the Oval Office. For the first time in the modern era the man in the Oval Office is an adversary of the Deep State and not a tool of it." |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:27am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:20am:
AS idiotic as that sounds, the true irony is that Trump has LITERALLY been used by Russia to achieve some of their goals. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:28am it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 10:25am:
actually, Trump is under the control of Putin. There is no 'deep state'. it is just another psychotic imagination from the people that brought you Reptiles in government, anti-vaxxers and pizzagate - all huge embarrassments to the clowns that promulgate them. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 10th, 2017 at 2:38pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:27am:
nothing idiotic about it. if it wasn't the case there'd be no leaders. Quote:
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:13pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
Would you care to criticise Russia's PROVEN assault on the american election or are you going to choose to side with Trump/Putin on the matter? |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:29pm
nope. my thoughts won't be dictated to by 'journalists' or anonymous people on the net.
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:37pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:29pm:
hmmm.... so 17 USA intelligence agencies say Russia hacked the election. Multiple foreign intelligence services and go ts concur but no.... YOU know different. You are a gobsmacking example of a partisan fool; an ignoramus who would declare the world to be flat if it served your purpose. fool. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:24pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:37pm:
you've displayed the emotional maturity of a four year old throughout the us election. why the f**k would i listen to thing you've got to say? every time you commit keys to keyboard it screeches unstable lunatic. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:30pm
do strokes affect emotional stability?
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by longweekend58 on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:49pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:24pm:
its not ME saying anything. it is 17 intelligence agencies. Your denial makes you sound like a putin-lover. gullible fool. |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Karnal on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:53pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
I'm not sure. Do they make one yawn? |
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Title: Re: The Deep State War on Trump... Post by Sad Kangaroo on Mar 11th, 2017 at 5:06pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:49pm:
I don't think that's fair. He's only believing what he wants to, it's similar, but different from blind gullibility. |
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