Especially for Lee who wanted to claim that Trump wasnt going to close the EPA I present for your amusement the following bill to TERMINATE THE EPA by dec 31 2018

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/861/text


So that's the end of environmental protection in the USA. Welcome to a brave new Trump-world of poor polluted water, dirty air and oil spills.

this move is "business-friendly" and will "create millions of good paying jobs"  ;)

AiA wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 9:00am:

this move is "business-friendly" and will "create millions of good paying jobs"  ;)

it is more insane than almost anything else he has done. every country the world over has an EPA and it is part of the reason we have clean air and clean water and responsible environmental policies. in the 1970s, we were afraid that choking air pollution would kill us all and now... the air is clean.

Anyone who votes for this should be removed from office.

http://www.citiesalliance.org/sites/citiesalliance.org/files/images/Accra_Slum%20(8)_0.jpg

this will be LA post trump  :D :D

Great......if it's true......The EPA is well past it's 'Abuse By Date' !!!

First thing to take a tumble will be America's withdrawal from all that farcical "Climate Change Hysteria" .....the biggest con on the World's Leading Economic Powers  .....
Glad to see it if the EPA dies a slow & horrible death!     http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/beach02.gif

IMHO though, some form of EPA will probably stay, but it's powers will be severely curtailed, & the days will be long gone when a Multi-Million Dollar project is halted, & thousands of jobs are lost because of the possibility of some insect being made extinct!!  ;D ;D ;D 

Panther wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 11:46am:

Great......if it's true......The EPA is well past it's 'Abuse By Date' !!! First thing to take a tumble will be America's withdrawal from all that farcical "Climate Change Hysteria" .....the biggest con on the World's Leading Economic Powers  ..... Glad to see it if the EPA dies a slow & horrible death!     http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/beach02.gif

And when industry poisons a river?  thats right. nobody will know until people start dying

And when oil spills all over pristine land who will clean it up or even consider that a priority?  NOBODY

And when groundwater is drawn down so severely that roads sink and buildings tilt in the CBD (as in bangkok) what do you do?


The EPA and bodies like it world-wide are why we still have a clean and viable biosphere.

You of course, care nothing about that or even the issues. all you do is support Trump. If Trump suggested tripling the size of the EPA you'd be here applauding it.

you are a sycophant without a brain or an individual opinion.

Go and live in Beijing for a while Panther and enjoy the clean air!

I'll take an extra shot of lead in my glass of water, please, because it "creates jobs."

Panther wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 11:46am:

Great......if it's true......The EPA is well past it's 'Abuse By Date' !!! First thing to take a tumble will be America's withdrawal from all that farcical "Climate Change Hysteria" .....the biggest con on the World's Leading Economic Powers  ..... Glad to see it if the EPA dies a slow & horrible death!     http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/beach02.gif IMHO though, some form of EPA will probably stay, but it's powers will be severely curtailed, & the days will be long gone when a multimillion project is haulted, & thousands of jobs are lost because of the possibility of some insect being made extinct!!  ;D ;D ;D

With no EPA, and companies doing whatever they can you'd essentially have Bhopal disasters all over the place in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster


And if you say well Bhopal is in India,

try Love Canal on for size

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Canal


The EPA does far more than just climate change stuff.


But then again industrial pollution explains Panther easily.

Girls, Girls, Girls please......by the reactions I've hit some communal vaginal nerves! http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/lol015.gif

In the end though, there isn't a damn thing we, or you, can do about it even if we, or you, wanted to.....so suck it up Princesses, there's things in this world you'll just have to grin & bear... http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/yesyesyes.gif    http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/cleanteeth09.gif

the US EPA are on the take by Big Farma anyways..

they can get stuffed...  >:(

Panther wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 12:15pm:

Girls, Girls, Girls please......by the reactions I've hit some communal vaginal nerves! http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/lol015.gif In the end though, there isn't a damn thing we, or you, can do about it even if we, or you, wanted to.....so suck it up Princesses, there's things in this world you'll just have to grin & bear... http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/yesyesyes.gif    http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/cleanteeth09.gif

So essentially longweekend is correct, and you dont think for yourself, just blindly follow.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 12:23pm:

the US EPA are on the take by Big Farma anyways.. they can get stuffed...  >:(

It's PHARMA, you illiterate retard.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 12:31pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 12:23pm: the US EPA are on the take by Big Farma anyways.. they can get stuffed...  >:( It's PHARMA, you illiterate retard.

I thought he meant Big Ag.


But if he meant Pharma its idiotic in two levels.

1. The spelling
2. The FDA deals with pharmaceuticals not really the EPAs mandate

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 12:29pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 12:15pm: Girls, Girls, Girls please......by the reactions I've hit some communal vaginal nerves! http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/lol015.gif In the end though, there isn't a damn thing we, or you, can do about it even if we, or you, wanted to.....so suck it up Princesses, there's things in this world you'll just have to grin & bear... http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/yesyesyes.gif    http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/cleanteeth09.gif So essentially longweekend is correct, and you dont think for yourself, just blindly follow.

Oh, I think for myself awrite, but when it comes to the American Administration, & a combined American will, nothing we here in Australia do can affect the outcome in the slightest. We hardly show up on their radar, if at all!

To think otherwise is simply ludicrous.    http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/skrewball004.gif

Alright, wtf is awrite?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 12:49pm:

Alright, wtf is awrite?

How day, da homeboys, say 'all right' in da getto!  Orr ite?? http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/lolfun.gif

Ghetto.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 12:52pm:

Ghetto.

As in da prahjeks! http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/taunt.gif

Projects is what I'm assuming you're trying to say. But hey continue with this EPA thread of allowing pollution.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 1:02pm:

Projects is what I'm assuming you're trying to say. But hey continue with this EPA thread of allowing pollution.

And more importantly job creation, without some needless restrictions. Not everything the EPA has done is a problem, but they've done quite a bit to needlessly regulate.  ;)

When the left had an agenda, it used to use the EPA as a tool to shut down business....ex..pipelines (As with the Keystone).....the the Greens would try here.

The left isn't going to be able to "CONTROL" the agenda anymore.    https://i.imgsafe.org/6034209.gif     https://i.imgsafe.org/a7da108.gif

Panther wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:02pm: Projects is what I'm assuming you're trying to say. But hey continue with this EPA thread of allowing pollution. And more importantly job creation, without some needless restrictions. Not everything the EPA has done is a problem, but they've done quite a bit to needlessly regulate.  ;) When the left had an agenda, it used to use the EPA as a tool to shut down business....ex..pipelines (As with the Keystone).....the the Greens would try here. The left isn't going to be able to "CONTROL" the agenda anymore.

But wouldn't you think it appropriate that if there was a high risk of environmental damage from such a pipeline that it should be halted?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 1:10pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:03pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:02pm: Projects is what I'm assuming you're trying to say. But hey continue with this EPA thread of allowing pollution. And more importantly job creation, without some needless restrictions. Not everything the EPA has done is a problem, but they've done quite a bit to needlessly regulate.  ;) When the left had an agenda, it used to use the EPA as a tool to shut down business....ex..pipelines (As with the Keystone).....the the Greens would try here. The left isn't going to be able to "CONTROL" the agenda anymore. But wouldn't you think it appropriate that if there was a high risk of environmental damage from such a pipeline that it should be halted?

Well, if you read about the Keystone Pipeline, it was purely political.....nothing to do with the environment.....If I recall correctly, the independent studies proved that......

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 8:59am:

Especially for Lee who wanted to claim that Trump wasnt going to close the EPA I present for your amusement the following bill to TERMINATE THE EPA by dec 31 2018 https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/861/text

Ok. You must remember we were talking about a youtube video that said he was going to cut PARTS of the EPA.

I think it is a bad idea to delete it.


longweekend58 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 8:59am:

So that's the end of environmental protection in the USA.

Nope. The individual states have there own EPA's. Which have a good history. That being said there is still a role for a National EPA to control relevant overarching legislation.

Panther wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 1:13pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:10pm: Panther wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:03pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:02pm: Projects is what I'm assuming you're trying to say. But hey continue with this EPA thread of allowing pollution. And more importantly job creation, without some needless restrictions. Not everything the EPA has done is a problem, but they've done quite a bit to needlessly regulate.  ;) When the left had an agenda, it used to use the EPA as a tool to shut down business....ex..pipelines (As with the Keystone).....the the Greens would try here. The left isn't going to be able to "CONTROL" the agenda anymore. But wouldn't you think it appropriate that if there was a high risk of environmental damage from such a pipeline that it should be halted? Well, if you read about the Keystone Pipeline, it was purely political.....nothing to do with the environment.....If I recall correctly, the independent studies proved that......

1. Not from what I read, there were as many environmental as political concerns.
2. Please produce these "independant" studies. I'm assuming one came from BP?

Don't forget Buffet's oil trains to move the oil would have proved a far safer bet than any old pipeline. /sarc.

Panther wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 12:44pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 12:29pm: Panther wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 12:15pm: Girls, Girls, Girls please......by the reactions I've hit some communal vaginal nerves! http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/lol015.gif In the end though, there isn't a damn thing we, or you, can do about it even if we, or you, wanted to.....so suck it up Princesses, there's things in this world you'll just have to grin & bear... http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/yesyesyes.gif    http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/cleanteeth09.gif So essentially longweekend is correct, and you dont think for yourself, just blindly follow. Oh, I think for myself awrite, but when it comes to the American Administration, & a combined American will, nothing we here in Australia do can affect the outcome in the slightest. We hardly show up on their radar, if at all! To think otherwise is simply ludicrous.    http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/skrewball004.gif

that doesnt stop your public masturbation in support of trump tho, does it?

lee wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 1:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 8:59am: Especially for Lee who wanted to claim that Trump wasnt going to close the EPA I present for your amusement the following bill to TERMINATE THE EPA by dec 31 2018 https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/861/text Ok. You must remember we were talking about a youtube video that said he was going to cut PARTS of the EPA. I think it is a bad idea to delete it. longweekend58 wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 8:59am: So that's the end of environmental protection in the USA. Nope. The individual states have there own EPA's. Which have a good history. That being said there is still a role for a National EPA to control relevant overarching legislation.

That's your idea of accepting I was right and you were wrong. I accept your apology.

Quote:

...............It could not look more grave, more straightforwardly destructive. Below a simple title—H. R. 861, A BILL TO TERMINATE THE EPA—runs the staggering text: The Environmental Protection Agency shall terminate on December 31, 2018 Here lies the illustrious EPA: established in 1970 by President Richard Milhous Nixon, strengthened by the Supreme Court and George H. W. Bush, and murdered in the first month of the Trump administration. And the man who did the deed is Matt Gaetz, a 34-year-old Republican who represents Florida’s 1st district. He has been in Congress for all of a month. The blood of the air itself is on his hands. (Don’t question that metaphor.) H. R. 861 is real—its page on Congress.gov has gone viral over the past few weeks—but the reality that it proposes to enact will not arrive any time soon. This Congress will almost certainly not terminate the EPA, and, even if it does, H. R. 861 is not the legislative blade it will wield. H. R. 861 is a classic piece of stunt legislation: It is short, punchy, without co-sponsors, and introduced by a novice legislator. Gaetz may accomplish nothing else of note this year, but he can truthfully tell his constituents that he proposed terminating the EPA.........

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/02/congress-wont-terminate-the-epa/516918/

Chuck Gaetz out of the US Govt.

He is wasting other peoples time being there.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 3:17pm:

Quote: ...............It could not look more grave, more straightforwardly destructive. Below a simple title—H. R. 861, A BILL TO TERMINATE THE EPA—runs the staggering text: The Environmental Protection Agency shall terminate on December 31, 2018 Here lies the illustrious EPA: established in 1970 by President Richard Milhous Nixon, strengthened by the Supreme Court and George H. W. Bush, and murdered in the first month of the Trump administration. And the man who did the deed is Matt Gaetz, a 34-year-old Republican who represents Florida’s 1st district. He has been in Congress for all of a month. The blood of the air itself is on his hands. (Don’t question that metaphor.) H. R. 861 is real—its page on Congress.gov has gone viral over the past few weeks—but the reality that it proposes to enact will not arrive any time soon. This Congress will almost certainly not terminate the EPA, and, even if it does, H. R. 861 is not the legislative blade it will wield. H. R. 861 is a classic piece of stunt legislation: It is short, punchy, without co-sponsors, and introduced by a novice legislator. Gaetz may accomplish nothing else of note this year, but he can truthfully tell his constituents that he proposed terminating the EPA......... https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/02/congress-wont-terminate-the-epa/516918/ Chuck Gaetz out of the US Govt. He is wasting other peoples time being there.

And yet, Trump proposed the exact same thing. You think he will have a sponsor rather soon?

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 2:23pm:

lee wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:18pm: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 8:59am: Especially for Lee who wanted to claim that Trump wasnt going to close the EPA I present for your amusement the following bill to TERMINATE THE EPA by dec 31 2018 https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/861/text Ok. You must remember we were talking about a youtube video that said he was going to cut PARTS of the EPA. I think it is a bad idea to delete it. longweekend58 wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 8:59am: So that's the end of environmental protection in the USA. Nope. The individual states have there own EPA's. Which have a good history. That being said there is still a role for a National EPA to control relevant overarching legislation. That's your idea of accepting I was right and you were wrong. I accept your apology.

You have now proven you have no concept of context. You white flag is accepted.

lee wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 4:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 2:23pm: lee wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:18pm: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 8:59am: Especially for Lee who wanted to claim that Trump wasnt going to close the EPA I present for your amusement the following bill to TERMINATE THE EPA by dec 31 2018 https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/861/text Ok. You must remember we were talking about a youtube video that said he was going to cut PARTS of the EPA. I think it is a bad idea to delete it. longweekend58 wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 8:59am: So that's the end of environmental protection in the USA. Nope. The individual states have there own EPA's. Which have a good history. That being said there is still a role for a National EPA to control relevant overarching legislation. That's your idea of accepting I was right and you were wrong. I accept your apology. You have now proven you have no concept of context. You white flag is accepted.

your white sheet is not.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 12:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 12:31pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 12:23pm: the US EPA are on the take by Big Farma anyways.. they can get stuffed...  >:( It's PHARMA, you illiterate retard. I thought he meant Big Ag. But if he meant Pharma its idiotic in two levels. 1. The spelling 2. The FDA deals with pharmaceuticals not really the EPAs mandate

do you even know what the EPA do you halfwit?

so your only argument is the way something is spelt and the other you have no idea about...

dur...  :D

AiA wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 9:00am:

this move is "business-friendly" and will "create millions of good paying jobs"  ;)

Exactly. It will see a transfer of air pollution from Beijing to Cleveland, Ohio.

Something to be grateful for, eh? The Chinks will finally be able to leave their apartments without their gas masks.

The US is a litigious society, anyone polluting may be held to account via the civil courts.

OK I am grasping at straws here.

miketrees wrote on Feb 25^th, 2017 at 11:18am:

The US is a litigious society, anyone polluting may be held to account via the civil courts. OK I am grasping at straws here.

True, Mike, once their kids start dying of cancer, they can launch a class action.

That could work.

miketrees wrote on Feb 25^th, 2017 at 11:18am:

The US is a litigious society, anyone polluting may be held to account via the civil courts. OK I am grasping at straws here.

OR you could have an EPA that stops it happening in the first place.  Makes more sense, right?

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

miketrees wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 11:18am: The US is a litigious society, anyone polluting may be held to account via the civil courts. OK I am grasping at straws here. OR you could have an EPA that stops it happening in the first place.  Makes more sense, right?

I'm not so sure about that, Longy. Getting rid of the EPA would let people make more mess and not have to clean it up.

Mr Trump wants to make Amerika great again, no?

True, Mike, once their kids start dying of cancer, they can launch a class action.

That could work.

Why do I get the feeling I am getting abuse for suggesting some kind of a solution for a problem.

Its not my idea to get rid of the EPA!

miketrees wrote on Feb 25^th, 2017 at 9:40pm:

True, Mike, once their kids start dying of cancer, they can launch a class action. That could work. Why do I get the feeling I am getting abuse for suggesting some kind of a solution for a problem. Its not my idea to get rid of the EPA!

Well, it's a good idea, Mike, you have to admit. Once Mr Trump gets rid of the EPA, he can go for all those other troublemakers. The media's first, the intelligence agencies are next, followed closely by the courts. And yes, he'll probably go for congress and the senate before this term's up.

We will make Amerika great again, no?