Mental health professionals warn Trump is incapable of being president
'We fear that too much is at stake to be silent any longer', say psychiatrists


Psychiatrists, psychologists and social workers have signed an open letter warning Donald Trump’s mental state “makes him incapable of serving safely as president”.

The 35 mental health professionals said Mr Trump’s “words and behaviour suggest a profound inability to empathise”.

The President’s tendency to “distort reality” to fit his “personal myth of greatness” and attack those who challenge him with facts was likely to increase in a position of power, they added.

It is usually frowned upon among psychiatrists to give a professional opinion of the mental state of a public figure they have not examined in person, as dictated by a passage in the American Psychiatric Association’s code of ethics known as the Goldwater rule.

But in a letter to the New York Times, the doctors said they had decided it was necessary to break their silence on the matter because they feared “too much is at stake”.

“This silence has resulted in a failure to lend our expertise to worried journalists and members of Congress at this critical time,” they wrote. “We fear that too much is at stake to be silent any longer.”

The letter continued: “Mr Trump’s speech and actions demonstrate an inability to tolerate views different from his own, leading to rage reactions. His words and behaviour suggest a profound inability to empathise.

“Individuals with these traits distort reality to suit their psychological state, attacking facts and those who convey them [journalists, scientists].

“In a powerful leader, these attacks are likely to increase, as his personal myth of greatness appears to be confirmed. We believe that the grave emotional instability indicated by Mr. Trump’s speech and actions makes him incapable of serving safely as president.”

Among the letter’s signatories were Lance Dodes, a retired Harvard Medical School assistant clinical professor of psychiatry, and Joseph Schachter, who has held a senior position in the International Psychoanalytic Association.

A growing number of mental health professionals and Senators of both parties have expressed concern over Mr Trump’s psychological state.

Conservative commentator Andrew Sullivan said the media should be seriously discussing the President’s mental health.

“To have such an unstable figure, incapable of accepting reality, at the centre of the world, is an extremely dangerous thing,” he told CNN.

“I know we're not supposed to bring this up — but it is staring us brutally in the face.”

Mr Sullivan, who recently penned an article entitled 'The Madness of King Donald' in New York Magazine, justified his comments by citing the President’s incorrect claims of “thousands” of illegal voters and inaccurate crime statistics. 

Republican colleagues of Donald Trump have also expressed concern about his mental health, a Democratic senator told Associated Press.

Minnesota senator Al Franken said there is concern among “a few” Republicans “that we all have this suspicion” that “he lies a lot”. He added: “He says things that aren't true. That's the same as lying, I guess.”


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-mental-health-new-york-times-incapable-being-president-warning-open-letter-a7578831.html?cmpid=facebook-post

Good to see them speaking out.

It's only a matter of time now.

“To have such an unstable figure, incapable of accepting reality, at the centre of the world, is an extremely dangerous thing,”

What I want to know is..what kind of screening process is there in the US that does not "vet" these  candidates before they are able to run and be elected..how did this idiot ever get through in the first place..there used to be extreme vetting of potential presidents.. how did this bozo get to be president..that is what has me completely baffled. The system has let Americans down.

Maybe the electoral college will step in etc etc..but no one stepped in WTF

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:11pm:

“To have such an unstable figure, incapable of accepting reality, at the centre of the world, is an extremely dangerous thing,”

How many Twitter followers do they have?

Please.

Agnes wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:22pm:

What I want to know is..what kind of screening process is there in the US that does not "vet" these  candidates before they are able to run and be elected..how did this idiot ever get through in the first place..there used to be extreme vetting of potential presidents.. how did this bozo get to be president..that is what has me completely baffled. The system has let Americans down.

Erections?

so if charles manson wanted to run..no one could stop him..

Trump had sexual assaults/rape allegations against him huge questions over his taxes..and still he was considered to be fit to run...what has the US come too.

Agnes wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:27pm:

so if charles manson wanted to run..no one could stop him.. Trump had sexual assaults/rape allegations against him huge questions over his taxes..and still he was considered to be fit to run...what has the US come too.

He's older then 35, was born in the US, and has been a resident for at least 14 years.

As far as I know, these are the only requirements.

Agnes wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:27pm:

so if charles manson wanted to run..no one could stop him.. Trump had sexual assaults/rape allegations against him huge questions over his taxes..and still he was considered to be fit to run...what has the US come too.

I blame Islam, but that's just me.

Agnes wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:27pm:

so if charles manson wanted to run..no one could stop him.. Trump had sexual assaults/rape allegations against him huge questions over his taxes..and still he was considered to be fit to run...what has the US come too.

Eight years of Obama really lowered the bar, we can only go up from here!

We do not have Napoleonic Law here, you are innocent until proven guilty regardless of what the Lefts "ministry of propaganda" or as it likes to be called the Main Stream Media reports. We have the RIGHT to face our accusers in the US and as every charge was made during the Campaign it was soon dropped for lack of any real substance.
I have tried to help others understand the American Tax system as well as I can in relation to how taxes are charged and how they are deductible. Some expenses are deductible against Federal Income Tax, most are not. Interest paid on your primary residence is deductible but a second home is not. State Income Tax and Sales Tax are deductible against gross income. Trump paid no FEDERAL Income Tax because of legally deductible business loses and millions of every other type of Taxes every year. 

Small Business and the Stock Market are much better indicators of his job performance then paid protesters and their simple minded followers.

ICE is beginning to do the job it was created to do, it may become hard to find cheap labor outside Home Depot for that project you want to build next weekend.

Actually Trump may be the greatest President we have seen in our lifetime. He isn't there yet because of all the push back but as he shames our self serving Elite and shines a light on their two faced dealings our people will prosper and regain lost freedoms.

Why is Trump incompetent? Because he is not Hillary Clinton who wanted a war with Russia! A woman who endangered American security for her own convenience, a person so corrupt nothing is too extreme if it serves her purpose.

A friend has a brother and son who both voted for Hillary so he asked them why.  His son did it because his girlfriend told him to and the brother dud it because he said Trump was a crook. My friend asked him how he knew Trump was a crook and the only reply was "he is rich isn't he?" So being rich makes you a crook unless you are George Soros who really is a crook!

I know many people wanted to have a woman President because that would be so cool. After eight years of Bojangles we could have another four to eight years of Evita Peron. (Hillary is certifiably insane)  Elections have consequences and for the first time in a long time things are looking better and when more people can no longer deny it the Left will lose its power.

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 11:08pm:

Agnes wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 9:27pm: so if charles manson wanted to run..no one could stop him.. Trump had sexual assaults/rape allegations against him huge questions over his taxes..and still he was considered to be fit to run...what has the US come too. Eight years of Obama really lowered the bar, we can only go up from here! We do not have Napoleonic Law here, you are innocent until proven guilty regardless of what the Lefts "ministry of propaganda" or as it likes to be called the Main Stream Media reports. We have the RIGHT to face our accusers in the US and as every charge was made during the Campaign it was soon dropped for lack of any real substance. I have tried to help others understand the American Tax system as well as I can in relation to how taxes are charged and how they are deductible. Some expenses are deductible against Federal Income Tax, most are not. Interest paid on your primary residence is deductible but a second home is not. State Income Tax and Sales Tax are deductible against gross income. Trump paid no FEDERAL Income Tax because of legally deductible business loses and millions of every other type of Taxes every year.  Small Business and the Stock Market are much better indicators of his job performance then paid protesters and their simple minded followers. ICE is beginning to do the job it was created to do, it may become hard to find cheap labor outside Home Depot for that project you want to build next weekend. Actually Trump may be the greatest President we have seen in our lifetime. He isn't there yet because of all the push back but as he shames our self serving Elite and shines a light on their two faced dealings our people will prosper and regain lost freedoms. Why is Trump incompetent? Because he is not Hillary Clinton who wanted a war with Russia! A woman who endangered American security for her own convenience, a person so corrupt nothing is too extreme if it serves her purpose. A friend has a brother and son who both voted for Hillary so he asked them why.  His son did it because his girlfriend told him to and the brother dud it because he said Trump was a crook. My friend asked him how he knew Trump was a crook and the only reply was "he is rich isn't he?" So being rich makes you a crook unless you are George Soros who really is a crook! I know many people wanted to have a woman President because that would be so cool. After eight years of Bojangles we could have another four to eight years of Evita Peron. (Hillary is certifiably insane)  Elections have consequences and for the first time in a long time things are looking better and when more people can no longer deny it the Left will lose its power.

Well said!

Furthermore. Trump is starting to drain the swamp and the establishment, enablers and minions are panicking. Senior figures are being named and in desperation they are trying to find anything to throw at Trump. The more the noose tightens the more their voices become shriller.

What pizzagate is exposing is just to disgusting to believe - only an inquiry will clear the air.

Only the guilty fear exposure.

Richdude wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:50am:

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 11:08pm: Agnes wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 9:27pm: so if charles manson wanted to run..no one could stop him.. Trump had sexual assaults/rape allegations against him huge questions over his taxes..and still he was considered to be fit to run...what has the US come too. Eight years of Obama really lowered the bar, we can only go up from here! We do not have Napoleonic Law here, you are innocent until proven guilty regardless of what the Lefts "ministry of propaganda" or as it likes to be called the Main Stream Media reports. We have the RIGHT to face our accusers in the US and as every charge was made during the Campaign it was soon dropped for lack of any real substance. I have tried to help others understand the American Tax system as well as I can in relation to how taxes are charged and how they are deductible. Some expenses are deductible against Federal Income Tax, most are not. Interest paid on your primary residence is deductible but a second home is not. State Income Tax and Sales Tax are deductible against gross income. Trump paid no FEDERAL Income Tax because of legally deductible business loses and millions of every other type of Taxes every year.  Small Business and the Stock Market are much better indicators of his job performance then paid protesters and their simple minded followers. ICE is beginning to do the job it was created to do, it may become hard to find cheap labor outside Home Depot for that project you want to build next weekend. Actually Trump may be the greatest President we have seen in our lifetime. He isn't there yet because of all the push back but as he shames our self serving Elite and shines a light on their two faced dealings our people will prosper and regain lost freedoms. Why is Trump incompetent? Because he is not Hillary Clinton who wanted a war with Russia! A woman who endangered American security for her own convenience, a person so corrupt nothing is too extreme if it serves her purpose. A friend has a brother and son who both voted for Hillary so he asked them why.  His son did it because his girlfriend told him to and the brother dud it because he said Trump was a crook. My friend asked him how he knew Trump was a crook and the only reply was "he is rich isn't he?" So being rich makes you a crook unless you are George Soros who really is a crook! I know many people wanted to have a woman President because that would be so cool. After eight years of Bojangles we could have another four to eight years of Evita Peron. (Hillary is certifiably insane)  Elections have consequences and for the first time in a long time things are looking better and when more people can no longer deny it the Left will lose its power. Well said! Furthermore. Trump is starting to drain the swamp and the establishment, enablers and minions are panicking. Senior figures are being named and in desperation they are trying to find anything to throw at Trump. The more the noose tightens the more their voices become shriller. What pizzagate is exposing is just to disgusting to believe - only an inquiry will clear the air. Only the guilty fear exposure.

the US sure dodged a bullet..

Richdude wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:50am:

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 11:08pm: Agnes wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 9:27pm: so if charles manson wanted to run..no one could stop him.. Trump had sexual assaults/rape allegations against him huge questions over his taxes..and still he was considered to be fit to run...what has the US come too. Eight years of Obama really lowered the bar, we can only go up from here! We do not have Napoleonic Law here, you are innocent until proven guilty regardless of what the Lefts "ministry of propaganda" or as it likes to be called the Main Stream Media reports. We have the RIGHT to face our accusers in the US and as every charge was made during the Campaign it was soon dropped for lack of any real substance. I have tried to help others understand the American Tax system as well as I can in relation to how taxes are charged and how they are deductible. Some expenses are deductible against Federal Income Tax, most are not. Interest paid on your primary residence is deductible but a second home is not. State Income Tax and Sales Tax are deductible against gross income. Trump paid no FEDERAL Income Tax because of legally deductible business loses and millions of every other type of Taxes every year.  Small Business and the Stock Market are much better indicators of his job performance then paid protesters and their simple minded followers. ICE is beginning to do the job it was created to do, it may become hard to find cheap labor outside Home Depot for that project you want to build next weekend. Actually Trump may be the greatest President we have seen in our lifetime. He isn't there yet because of all the push back but as he shames our self serving Elite and shines a light on their two faced dealings our people will prosper and regain lost freedoms. Why is Trump incompetent? Because he is not Hillary Clinton who wanted a war with Russia! A woman who endangered American security for her own convenience, a person so corrupt nothing is too extreme if it serves her purpose. A friend has a brother and son who both voted for Hillary so he asked them why.  His son did it because his girlfriend told him to and the brother dud it because he said Trump was a crook. My friend asked him how he knew Trump was a crook and the only reply was "he is rich isn't he?" So being rich makes you a crook unless you are George Soros who really is a crook! I know many people wanted to have a woman President because that would be so cool. After eight years of Bojangles we could have another four to eight years of Evita Peron. (Hillary is certifiably insane)  Elections have consequences and for the first time in a long time things are looking better and when more people can no longer deny it the Left will lose its power. Well said! Furthermore. Trump is starting to drain the swamp and the establishment, enablers and minions are panicking. Senior figures are being named and in desperation they are trying to find anything to throw at Trump. The more the noose tightens the more their voices become shriller. What pizzagate is exposing is just to disgusting to believe - only an inquiry will clear the air. Only the guilty fear exposure.

That you believe in Pizzagate and that it is even real is all the evidence to prove that like TRump, you are mentally incompetent. It is COMPLETE GARBAGE with zero actual evidence... and yet you believe it.  It is the Bowling Green Massacre of Pedo Rings.  NON-EXISTENT.

35 mental health experts  hummmmm

for America where I am sure they have many thousands in the business that is not a vast number....

I have to agree  some of his actions so far havent exactly been what one expects from a President..

but then I thought the same things about Rudd..

and an awful lot of folks thought he was the messiah...

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 7:52am:

That you believe in Pizzagate and that it is even real is all the evidence to prove that like TRump, you are mentally incompetent. It is COMPLETE GARBAGE with zero actual evidence... and yet you believe it.  It is the Bowling Green Massacre of Pedo Rings.  NON-EXISTENT.

Paedophiles are probably loving pizzagate at the moment, in the sense that it diverts everyones attention away from whats really happening.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:22am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:52am: That you believe in Pizzagate and that it is even real is all the evidence to prove that like TRump, you are mentally incompetent. It is COMPLETE GARBAGE with zero actual evidence... and yet you believe it.  It is the Bowling Green Massacre of Pedo Rings.  NON-EXISTENT. Paedophiles are probably loving pizzagate at the moment, in the sense that it diverts everyones attention away from whats really happening.

Yes, even Alex Jones says that "pizzagate" as you know it has been deliberately distorted.

The attacks being made against Trump seem to be no different to the Obama birtha attacks or Clinton parkinsons. What's next, Trump is a lizard person?

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 11:08pm:

Agnes wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 9:27pm: so if charles manson wanted to run..no one could stop him.. Trump had sexual assaults/rape allegations against him huge questions over his taxes..and still he was considered to be fit to run...what has the US come too. Eight years of Obama really lowered the bar, we can only go up from here! We do not have Napoleonic Law here, you are innocent until proven guilty regardless of what the Lefts "ministry of propaganda" or as it likes to be called the Main Stream Media reports. We have the RIGHT to face our accusers in the US and as every charge was made during the Campaign it was soon dropped for lack of any real substance. I have tried to help others understand the American Tax system as well as I can in relation to how taxes are charged and how they are deductible. Some expenses are deductible against Federal Income Tax, most are not. Interest paid on your primary residence is deductible but a second home is not. State Income Tax and Sales Tax are deductible against gross income. Trump paid no FEDERAL Income Tax because of legally deductible business loses and millions of every other type of Taxes every year.  Small Business and the Stock Market are much better indicators of his job performance then paid protesters and their simple minded followers. ICE is beginning to do the job it was created to do, it may become hard to find cheap labor outside Home Depot for that project you want to build next weekend. Actually Trump may be the greatest President we have seen in our lifetime. He isn't there yet because of all the push back but as he shames our self serving Elite and shines a light on their two faced dealings our people will prosper and regain lost freedoms. Why is Trump incompetent? Because he is not Hillary Clinton who wanted a war with Russia! A woman who endangered American security for her own convenience, a person so corrupt nothing is too extreme if it serves her purpose. A friend has a brother and son who both voted for Hillary so he asked them why.  His son did it because his girlfriend told him to and the brother dud it because he said Trump was a crook. My friend asked him how he knew Trump was a crook and the only reply was "he is rich isn't he?" So being rich makes you a crook unless you are George Soros who really is a crook! I know many people wanted to have a woman President because that would be so cool. After eight years of Bojangles we could have another four to eight years of Evita Peron. (Hillary is certifiably insane)  Elections have consequences and for the first time in a long time things are looking better and when more people can no longer deny it the Left will lose its power.

A VERY PERTINENT POINT.

there is a belief held by many people that the rich had to have gotten there by cheating the system.
For many mediocre people, this is because that is the ONLY way that THEY could think of to become rich.
They dont have the work ethic , the creativity and the passion to propel them up and so they can only think of scamming or cheating as the way to success.

Its simply wrong.

If you hung out with rich people, you would know that most work really hard, most are really humble, most feel really bad for the people at the bottom and they would very much like them to be successful.
I think Trump sincerely loves his country and sincerely wants to contribute.
This is what happens to a lot of driven people, they get the material success and then they ask "what next".

it is a sad reflection on the Trump haters that they are such toxic and mediocre people. Its sad that they cant buy into a bigger picture. this is what has made america great and i sincerely hope trump has broad enough shoulers to just carry on doing what he has set out to do, to keep contributing and not get dragged down into the mud with these pigs. It will require enormous resolve and determination. If anyone can do it, he seems to be the man who can.
If he fails, america fails...they cannot go back to being a socialist welfare state..its not who they are as a people

Gordon wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:42am:

The attacks being made against Trump seem to be no different to the Obama birtha attacks or Clinton parkinsons. What's next, Trump is a lizard person?

No, the birth attacks had nothing to do with his ability. Every Trump attack does.

Gordon wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:42am:

The attacks being made against Trump seem to be no different to the Obama birtha attacks or Clinton parkinsons. What's next, Trump is a lizard person?

No, I think Light said he's the only recent president who's NOT a reptilian.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:47am:

A VERY PERTINENT POINT. there is a belief held by many people that the rich had to have gotten there by cheating the system.

That's true, Aquascoot. It's a belief Trump promoted in his book, the Art of the Deal.

You can ONLY get rich by cheating the system.

I dont believe you've read the book.

Maybe you could supply a quote?  My suspicion is that the word "cheating" doesnt appear in this context, though "gaming" might.

another attempt at 'psycho-analysis'. how many is this now, 10,000? it didn't work the first or 10,000nth time. why would it work now? i've said it many times, lefties need to reflect on what it is they stand for and their approach in convincing others of their standpoints. their current approach has fizzled out - people have had enough of the smug, derogatory slogans.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:37am:

another attempt at 'psycho-analysis'. how many is this now, 10,000? it didn't work the first or 10,000nth time. why would it work now? i've said it many times, lefties need to reflect on what it is they stand for and their approach in convincing others of their standpoints. their current approach has fizzled out - people have had enough of the smug, derogatory slogans.

Yes, i gad hoped theyd have taken the time to reassess by now, but that seems to have been my heart talking, not my head.

Theyll keep hectoring, and consequently keep losing.  The only problem is their lack of grace will lead to violence...which theyll only blame on someone else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M98huhzUijE

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:37am:

another attempt at 'psycho-analysis'. how many is this now, 10,000? it didn't work the first or 10,000nth time. why would it work now? i've said it many times, lefties need to reflect on what it is they stand for and their approach in convincing others of their standpoints. their current approach has fizzled out - people have had enough of the smug, derogatory slogans.

Both sides of the political divide need to reassess how a creature like Trump was elevated to the presidency...

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 11:19am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M98huhzUijE

Beautiful   ;D

"Just remember, Donald: if you don't know, it's okay to ask".

"Tif - an - ny"

... wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:35am:

I dont believe you've read the book.

No worries. It was a riveting book, I must say. So were the three "unauthorised" biographies, Trumped, the Making of Donald Trump, and the Truth about Trump.

You're right, Honky. I could supply quotes.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:37am:

anotherdeclated  attempt at 'psycho-analysis'. how many is this now, 10,000? it didn't work the first or 10,000nth time. why would it work now? i've said it many times, lefties need to reflect on what it is they stand for and their approach in convincing others of their standpoints. their current approach has fizzled out - people have had enough of the smug, derogatory slogans.

Good point, Mistie. Your current approach is to say whatever it takes in your self-declared war against the leftists. It's gloves off, remember? Game on. Porkies, slur, whatever it takes.

I could provide a quote here too.

... wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:40am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 10:37am: another attempt at 'psycho-analysis'. how many is this now, 10,000? it didn't work the first or 10,000nth time. why would it work now? i've said it many times, lefties need to reflect on what it is they stand for and their approach in convincing others of their standpoints. their current approach has fizzled out - people have had enough of the smug, derogatory slogans. Yes, i gad hoped theyd have taken the time to reassess by now, but that seems to have been my heart talking, not my head. Theyll keep hectoring, and consequently keep losing.  The only problem is their lack of grace will lead to violence...which theyll only blame on someone else.

It's unfortunate as there are some well intentioned people. But they get drowned out by the freaks and nutters. 

And Bumble bees are incapable of flying, so the experts say.

Donald Trump IS the President.

Big Donger wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 11:41am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 10:37am: anotherdeclated  attempt at 'psycho-analysis'. how many is this now, 10,000? it didn't work the first or 10,000nth time. why would it work now? i've said it many times, lefties need to reflect on what it is they stand for and their approach in convincing others of their standpoints. their current approach has fizzled out - people have had enough of the smug, derogatory slogans. Good point, Mistie. Your current approach is to say whatever it takes in your self-declared war against the leftists. It's gloves off, remember? Game on. Porkies, slur, whatever it takes. I could provide a quote here too.

in regards to dealing with the left, anything does go. however, when dealing with politics proper, you need to address the needs and concerns of the majority. this is what trump did and what the left failed to do. the left will continue to fade as long as it remains fixed to fringe issues that either have nothing to do with the middle working classes or are detrimental to them. 

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 11:35am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 10:37am: another attempt at 'psycho-analysis'. how many is this now, 10,000? it didn't work the first or 10,000nth time. why would it work now? i've said it many times, lefties need to reflect on what it is they stand for and their approach in convincing others of their standpoints. their current approach has fizzled out - people have had enough of the smug, derogatory slogans. Both sides of the political divide need to reassess how a creature like Trump was elevated to the presidency...

the conservative side already know how. the left, however, don't.

Big Donger wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:30am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:47am: A VERY PERTINENT POINT. there is a belief held by many people that the rich had to have gotten there by cheating the system. That's true, Aquascoot. It's a belief Trump promoted in his book, the Art of the Deal. You can ONLY get rich by cheating the system.

tell me you 're not serious

aquascoot wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:12pm:

Big Donger wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 10:30am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:47am: A VERY PERTINENT POINT. there is a belief held by many people that the rich had to have gotten there by cheating the system. That's true, Aquascoot. It's a belief Trump promoted in his book, the Art of the Deal. You can ONLY get rich by cheating the system. tell me you 're not serious

Are you only just learning that Trump has cheated people all along the way? He underpays works, imports cheap materials and refuses to pay contractors and even admitted to it in the debates while saying that 'you should have made laws that stopped me'.

A report yesterday referring to how businessmen only ever do a deal with trump ONCE. No body comes back for seconds after dealing with this scumbag.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 12:12pm: Big Donger wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 10:30am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:47am: A VERY PERTINENT POINT. there is a belief held by many people that the rich had to have gotten there by cheating the system. That's true, Aquascoot. It's a belief Trump promoted in his book, the Art of the Deal. You can ONLY get rich by cheating the system. tell me you 're not serious Are you only just learning that Trump has cheated people all along the way? He underpays works, imports cheap materials and refuses to pay contractors and even admitted to it in the debates while saying that 'you should have made laws that stopped me'. A report yesterday referring to how businessmen only ever do a deal with trump ONCE. No body comes back for seconds after dealing with this scumbag.

Scumbag, indeed.

"Steve Reilly of USA Today, in a thoroughly researched expose of Trump’s business practices, found literally hundreds of people who say that they did work for Trump in the past and, when the bill came due, he simply refused to pay for much or all of it.

"If they sued to get their money, Trump simply wore them out in court, using his greater assets to tie them up so long they gave up lest they go bankrupt trying to settle a single bill."

The Art of the Steal

Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills

Big Donger wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 11:37am:

... wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 10:35am: I dont believe you've read the book. No worries. It was a riveting book, I must say. So were the three "unauthorised" biographies, Trumped, the Making of Donald Trump, and the Truth about Trump. You're right, Honky. I could supply quotes.

Go on then. 

Big Donger wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:30am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:47am: A VERY PERTINENT POINT. there is a belief held by many people that the rich had to have gotten there by cheating the system. That's true, Aquascoot. It's a belief Trump promoted in his book, the Art of the Deal. You can ONLY get rich by cheating the system.

Yes thats a cynical leftist attitude of the poor to justify their situation - "I'm poor but I'm honest".

Karnel I call that alleged quote by Donald Trump a lie.
You losers are getting desperate!
Trumps popularity is rising despite the barrage of negatives from the press - the people aren't as stupid as the crooked establishment think.

BTW:  Trump is president!

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 11:59am:

And Bumble bees are incapable of flying, so the experts say. Donald Trump IS the President.

The rightfully elected President of The United States of America.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 11:59am: And Bumble bees are incapable of flying, so the experts say. Donald Trump IS the President. The rightfully elected President of The United States of America.

Thief-in-Chief

Head-Nutter

Pedophile-in-Chief

Head-Narcissist



Take your choice.

Richdude wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 2:48pm:

Big Donger wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 10:30am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:47am: A VERY PERTINENT POINT. there is a belief held by many people that the rich had to have gotten there by cheating the system. That's true, Aquascoot. It's a belief Trump promoted in his book, the Art of the Deal. You can ONLY get rich by cheating the system. Yes thats a cynical leftist attitude of the poor to justify their situation - "I'm poor but I'm honest".

And Trump, as we know, is rich but dishonest. He covers this in his book, the Art of the Deal. His Ghostwriter calls it "truthful hyperbole".


Quote:

Karnel I call that alleged quote by Donald Trump a lie.

It's not a quote, Rich, it's a belief. Something tells me you don't disagree with it either.

Richdude wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 2:48pm:

Trumps popularity is rising  -

Why lie?

"President Donald Trump's approval rating reached a new low Saturday, according to a poll from Gallup, as the new administration has struggled to find its footing nearly a month into the term.

"The daily tracking poll found that just 40% of Americans approve of President Trump's job as president so far, compared to 55% who say the disapprove. The negative 15-point spread is the highest recorded in the poll since Trump took office January 20."


Richdude wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 2:48pm:

despite the barrage of negatives from the press -

The press?

Ah.

What about the negatives from the women he's assaulted, the children he's allegedly raped, the tax department he hasn't contributed to, and the contractors he hasn't paid?

Have you chosen to ignore those negatives?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:27pm:

Richdude wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 2:48pm: Trumps popularity is rising  - Why lie? "President Donald Trump's approval rating reached a new low Saturday, according to a poll from Gallup, as the new administration has struggled to find its footing nearly a month into the term. "The daily tracking poll found that just 40% of Americans approve of President Trump's job as president so far, compared to 55% who say the disapprove. The negative 15-point spread is the highest recorded in the poll since Trump took office January 20." Richdude wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 2:48pm: despite the barrage of negatives from the press - The press? Ah. What about the negatives from the women he's assaulted, the children he's allegedly raped, the tax department he hasn't contributed to, and the contractors he hasn't paid? Have you chosen to ignore those negatives?

worst polls of any president at this stage... EVER.


The only real surprise is that he can still muster 40%. My guess is if that he is still in office by end of year, it will be 20% or below.

The same polls that said Hilary was a sure thing?

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:17am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 6:27pm: Richdude wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 2:48pm: Trumps popularity is rising  - Why lie? "President Donald Trump's approval rating reached a new low Saturday, according to a poll from Gallup, as the new administration has struggled to find its footing nearly a month into the term. "The daily tracking poll found that just 40% of Americans approve of President Trump's job as president so far, compared to 55% who say the disapprove. The negative 15-point spread is the highest recorded in the poll since Trump took office January 20." Richdude wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 2:48pm: despite the barrage of negatives from the press - The press? Ah. What about the negatives from the women he's assaulted, the children he's allegedly raped, the tax department he hasn't contributed to, and the contractors he hasn't paid? Have you chosen to ignore those negatives? worst polls of any president at this stage... EVER.

Indeed.

And let's not forget, as unpopular as Hillary was, 3 million more people voted for her.

And, Trump's inauguration had the lowest turnout ever.

The fact is, he's never been very popular, and the numbers are just getting worse.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 10:34am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:17am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 6:27pm: Richdude wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 2:48pm: Trumps popularity is rising  - Why lie? "President Donald Trump's approval rating reached a new low Saturday, according to a poll from Gallup, as the new administration has struggled to find its footing nearly a month into the term. "The daily tracking poll found that just 40% of Americans approve of President Trump's job as president so far, compared to 55% who say the disapprove. The negative 15-point spread is the highest recorded in the poll since Trump took office January 20." Richdude wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 2:48pm: despite the barrage of negatives from the press - The press? Ah. What about the negatives from the women he's assaulted, the children he's allegedly raped, the tax department he hasn't contributed to, and the contractors he hasn't paid? Have you chosen to ignore those negatives? worst polls of any president at this stage... EVER. Indeed. And let's not forget, as unpopular as Hillary was, 3 million more people voted for her. And, Trump's inauguration had the lowest turnout ever. The fact is, he's never been very popular, and the numbers are just getting worse.

The leftards need to suck it up, Greggery. They just need to accept the fact that a minority of Americans voted in the most unpopular president ever.

Get over it, leftards. The Amerikan people lost.

Trump will make Russia great again, no?

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

The same polls that said Hilary was a sure thing? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You mean the polls that predicted Clinton would easily out-vote Trump... and were right?  It is only the DISTRIBUTION of votes that got Trump in the WH, not a majority.

And yes, like it or not, Trumps popularity is plummetting as it was always going to do. After the incredible stuffups on a daily basis the only surprise is that he is as high as 40%

look at these lefties still sooking. how pitiful.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:06pm:

... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:59am: The same polls that said Hilary was a sure thing? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You mean the polls that predicted Clinton would easily out-vote Trump... and were right?  It is only the DISTRIBUTION of votes that got Trump in the WH, not a majority.

No.

There were many polls from states other than california that "proved" clinton was a shoo.in.  In case you forgot, without cslifornia trump won the populat vote by much more than a million votes.

The problem was, the polls werent wrong, they were stacked - every time Trumps numbers got higher, the size of the democrat sample was increased .  It wasnt unusual to see samples of dem +25.  All the talk of "nobody seeing it coming" are rubbish - the pollsters saw it, but thought the power of propaganda could change it.  They were nearly right.

This was no accident - it was intentional deception, and even when it was pointed out, you losers didnt reassess, you doubled down. 

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

look at these lefties still sooking. how pitiful.

I agree, Homo. Just look at Longy, sulking over his criminal leftard candidate losing the erection. What a sore loser.

We will make Russia great again, no?

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:16pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 12:06pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:59am: The same polls that said Hilary was a sure thing? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You mean the polls that predicted Clinton would easily out-vote Trump... and were right?  It is only the DISTRIBUTION of votes that got Trump in the WH, not a majority. No. There were many polls from states other than california that "proved" clinton was a shoo.in.  In case you forgot, without cslifornia trump won the populat vote by much more than a million votes. The problem was, the polls werent wrong, they were stacked - every time Trumps numbers got higher, the size of the democrat sample was increased .  It wasnt unusual to see samples of dem +25.  All the talk of "nobody seeing it coming" are rubbish - the pollsters saw it, but thought the power of propaganda could change it.  They were nearly right. This was no accident - it was intentional deception, and even when it was pointed out, you losers didnt reassess, you doubled down.

ah so now every poll you dont like - which is all of them - are fake news as well? Wait until Fox News comes out and gives similar results, then what?

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:45pm:

... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 12:16pm: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 12:06pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:59am: The same polls that said Hilary was a sure thing? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You mean the polls that predicted Clinton would easily out-vote Trump... and were right?  It is only the DISTRIBUTION of votes that got Trump in the WH, not a majority. No. There were many polls from states other than california that "proved" clinton was a shoo.in.  In case you forgot, without cslifornia trump won the populat vote by much more than a million votes. The problem was, the polls werent wrong, they were stacked - every time Trumps numbers got higher, the size of the democrat sample was increased .  It wasnt unusual to see samples of dem +25.  All the talk of "nobody seeing it coming" are rubbish - the pollsters saw it, but thought the power of propaganda could change it.  They were nearly right. This was no accident - it was intentional deception, and even when it was pointed out, you losers didnt reassess, you doubled down.  ah so now every poll you dont like - which is all of them - are fake news as well? Wait until Fox News comes out and gives similar results, then what?

Dont be a buggerhead for once in your life longy.

There is no way professional pollsters can  accidentally oversample democrats +25, and no way a professional impartial news agency can not pick up on it.  The only explanation is intentional deception.

The extent of the lie was exposed on election day - why do you still cling to lies?

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 12:45pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 12:16pm: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 12:06pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:59am: The same polls that said Hilary was a sure thing? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You mean the polls that predicted Clinton would easily out-vote Trump... and were right?  It is only the DISTRIBUTION of votes that got Trump in the WH, not a majority. No. There were many polls from states other than california that "proved" clinton was a shoo.in.  In case you forgot, without cslifornia trump won the populat vote by much more than a million votes. The problem was, the polls werent wrong, they were stacked - every time Trumps numbers got higher, the size of the democrat sample was increased .  It wasnt unusual to see samples of dem +25.  All the talk of "nobody seeing it coming" are rubbish - the pollsters saw it, but thought the power of propaganda could change it.  They were nearly right. This was no accident - it was intentional deception, and even when it was pointed out, you losers didnt reassess, you doubled down.  ah so now every poll you dont like - which is all of them - are fake news as well? Wait until Fox News comes out and gives similar results, then what? Dont be a buggerhead for once in your life longy. There is no way professional pollsters can  accidentally oversample democrats +25, and no way a professional impartial news agency can not pick up on it.  The only explanation is intentional deception. The extent of the lie was exposed on election day - why do you still cling to lies?

As someone who actually studies mathematical Statistics at university level, an explanation is not difficult. But there are two problems.

1) you would not be able to understand the explanation and
2) you wouldnt believe the explanation anyhow.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 2:36pm:

... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 12:50pm: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 12:45pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 12:16pm: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 12:06pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:59am: The same polls that said Hilary was a sure thing? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You mean the polls that predicted Clinton would easily out-vote Trump... and were right?  It is only the DISTRIBUTION of votes that got Trump in the WH, not a majority. No. There were many polls from states other than california that "proved" clinton was a shoo.in.  In case you forgot, without cslifornia trump won the populat vote by much more than a million votes. The problem was, the polls werent wrong, they were stacked - every time Trumps numbers got higher, the size of the democrat sample was increased .  It wasnt unusual to see samples of dem +25.  All the talk of "nobody seeing it coming" are rubbish - the pollsters saw it, but thought the power of propaganda could change it.  They were nearly right. This was no accident - it was intentional deception, and even when it was pointed out, you losers didnt reassess, you doubled down.  ah so now every poll you dont like - which is all of them - are fake news as well? Wait until Fox News comes out and gives similar results, then what? Dont be a buggerhead for once in your life longy. There is no way professional pollsters can  accidentally oversample democrats +25, and no way a professional impartial news agency can not pick up on it.  The only explanation is intentional deception. The extent of the lie was exposed on election day - why do you still cling to lies? As someone who actually studies mathematical Statistics at university level, an explanation is not difficult.

Year 9 maths, innit.

Ahh yes, longys infamous mathematics abilities. 

Please explain longy:

---

The first thing to realise is...

USA has voluntary voting and so people who are polled may not vote and this increases the margin of error significantly.

USA is very much a collection of states with very different election laws and very different political cultures. To get all that in one polling set is hard.

Polling is an ESTIMATE at best and there is a margin of error that has to be considered


The polls predicted a large margin in the lead for clinton - and were correct. The actual distribution of those votes is the hard part and in this case, tipped the result the other way.



and you neither accept nor understand it.   All you see is a polling prediction in error and so rather than infer mistake you infer deception and fake news.

The fly in thr ointment of your lie is that they were rarely (never?) Nationwide polls.  They were state polls.  Its very hard to give you the benefit of the doubt about distribution errors.

How do you explain the "likely voters" in the graph below swinging almost 20% towards democrat on 6 weeks, despite democrat turnout and enthusiasm being way down?

There are 2 possibilities:

Everyone involved are idiots.

Or

Theyre lying.

There is proof of both, but i tend to givd the benefit of the doubt with regards to their intelligence.  Theyd need to have at least average intelligence to get where they are, but honesty isnt a prerequisite.

There is also the question of why i was able to predict the result while all of the pros "never saw it coming"

1.  Im a genius

Or

2.  They were lying.

In this case, it was both, but the common link between the two questions cannot be ignored.  Well, i cant ignore it anyway, though you seem to be happy to.  Each to their own.

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 3:55pm:

The fly in thr ointment of your lie is that they were rarely (never?) Nationwide polls.  They were state polls.  Its very hard to give you the benefit of the doubt about distribution errors. How do you explain the "likely voters" in the graph below swinging almost 20% towards democrat on 6 weeks, despite democrat turnout and enthusiasm being way down? There are 2 possibilities: Everyone involved are idiots. Or Theyre lying. There is proof of both, but i tend to givd the benefit of the doubt with regards to their intelligence.  Theyd need to have at least average intelligence to get where they are, but honesty isnt a prerequisite. There is also the question of why i was able to predict the result while all of the pros "never saw it coming" 1.  Im a genius Or 2.  They were lying. In this case, it was both, but the common link between the two questions cannot be ignored.  Well, i cant ignore it anyway, though you seem to be happy to.  Each to their own.

nice debunking... of nothing at all. 

You answer NO questions. you ofFer NO explanations.  All you do is (literally) mindlessly swallow everything trump says and does without a moment's consideration of accuracy or truth.

The polls were wrong. So what? Do you think this is the first time in history polls ahve been wrong?  They are ALWAYS wrong. the important bit is HOW wrong.

You know nothing, understand nothing and think not at all. I can get the same results from a parrot as from you.

Don't you think the tactic of covering up your mistakes and lies with abuse is a little played out by now?

Obviously not.  Carry on.

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 4:58pm:

Don't you think the tactic of covering up your mistakes and lies with abuse is a little played out by now? Obviously not.  Carry on.

Trump has been President less than 4 weeks and in that time he has had several resignations, more scandals and demonstrations of sheer incompetence that most President have in an entire term.  Even REpublicans are very concerned about Trump inability to tell the truth.

TRUMP IS INCAPABLE OF BEING PRESIDENT

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:

Trump has been President less than 4 weeks and in that time he has had several resignations, more scandals and demonstrations of sheer incompetence that most President have in an entire term.

A compliant president, sure. 

But he wasn't elected to be another corporate puppet, so I expect many more "scandals".

A report in the Wall Street journal claims US intelligence officials are witholding sensitive information from Trump because it could be leaked or compromised. And thats it in a nutshell Trump cannot be trusted.

oh dear wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:12pm:

A report in the Wall Street journal claims US intelligence officials are witholding sensitive information from Trump because it could be leaked or compromised. And thats it in a nutshell Trump cannot be trusted.

Are these "intelligence officials" the elected head of state?

No?

Trump is. 

If they can't accept that, accept their place in the chain of command and do their job, they should resign, or:

https://media3.giphy.com/media/lA1UjqWVdmmpq/200_s.gif

As Assange said:

https://i.imgtc.com/84vazNN.png

So I extend this question to the never trumpers - Should america be a democracy in which the people elect their leader, or should it be led by a cabal of shadowy operatives?  The same cabal of shadowy operatives, it must be said, that is responsible for americas much criticised recent military adventures around the globe.

I'm actually glad that Trump won the election, for two reasons.

1) I don't particularly like Hillary, and I don't think she would have been a good President.

2) It's going to be such a joy watching Trump's fall from grace.

Before he became POTUS, his eventual fall was only going to break a few bones.

As a mediocre businessman, he was only falling from base camp, to use a Mt Everest analogy.

Now, however, he's falling from the summit, and it's going to be fatal.

It couldn't have worked out better.

President Trump is now playing the wise card, gone to ground, having a rest and a root, r and r, he is not going away any time soon, onwards and upwards.

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:17pm:

oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:12pm: A report in the Wall Street journal claims US intelligence officials are witholding sensitive information from Trump because it could be leaked or compromised. And thats it in a nutshell Trump cannot be trusted. Are these "intelligence officials" the elected head of state? No? Trump is.  If they can't accept that, accept their place in the chain of command and do their job, they should resign, or: https://media3.giphy.com/media/lA1UjqWVdmmpq/200_s.gif

When your security agencies cant trust the President its time for Trump to go.

oh dear wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:27pm:

... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:17pm: oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:12pm: A report in the Wall Street journal claims US intelligence officials are witholding sensitive information from Trump because it could be leaked or compromised. And thats it in a nutshell Trump cannot be trusted. Are these "intelligence officials" the elected head of state? No? Trump is.  If they can't accept that, accept their place in the chain of command and do their job, they should resign, or: https://media3.giphy.com/media/lA1UjqWVdmmpq/200_s.gif When your security agencies cant trust the President its time for Trump to go.

So the "intelligence community" runs the country.

Time to drop the whole "democracy" charade then, wouldn't you say? 

Johnnie wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:25pm:

President Trump is now playing the wise card, gone to ground, having a rest and a root,...

I wonder if the Slovenian hooker will eventually accuse him of rape, like all the rest.

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:28pm:

oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:27pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:17pm: oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:12pm: A report in the Wall Street journal claims US intelligence officials are witholding sensitive information from Trump because it could be leaked or compromised. And thats it in a nutshell Trump cannot be trusted. Are these "intelligence officials" the elected head of state? No? Trump is.  If they can't accept that, accept their place in the chain of command and do their job, they should resign, or: https://media3.giphy.com/media/lA1UjqWVdmmpq/200_s.gif When your security agencies cant trust the President its time for Trump to go. So the "intelligence community" runs the country. Time to drop the whole "democracy" charade then, wouldn't you say?

No its time to dump trump.

oh dear wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:31pm:

... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:28pm: oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:27pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:17pm: oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:12pm: A report in the Wall Street journal claims US intelligence officials are witholding sensitive information from Trump because it could be leaked or compromised. And thats it in a nutshell Trump cannot be trusted. Are these "intelligence officials" the elected head of state? No? Trump is.  If they can't accept that, accept their place in the chain of command and do their job, they should resign, or: https://media3.giphy.com/media/lA1UjqWVdmmpq/200_s.gif When your security agencies cant trust the President its time for Trump to go. So the "intelligence community" runs the country. Time to drop the whole "democracy" charade then, wouldn't you say?  I No its time to dump trump.

Then what?

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:35pm:

oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:31pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:28pm: oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:27pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:17pm: oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:12pm: A report in the Wall Street journal claims US intelligence officials are witholding sensitive information from Trump because it could be leaked or compromised. And thats it in a nutshell Trump cannot be trusted. Are these "intelligence officials" the elected head of state? No? Trump is.  If they can't accept that, accept their place in the chain of command and do their job, they should resign, or: https://media3.giphy.com/media/lA1UjqWVdmmpq/200_s.gif When your security agencies cant trust the President its time for Trump to go. So the "intelligence community" runs the country. Time to drop the whole "democracy" charade then, wouldn't you say?  I No its time to dump trump. Then what?

Let Pence see out the four year term (doing absolutely nothing), and then make way for Michelle.

But what if the media then reports that the "intelligence community" doesn't like him either?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:29pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:25pm: President Trump is now playing the wise card, gone to ground, having a rest and a root,... I wonder if the Slovenian hooker will eventually accuse him of rape, like all the rest.

DNA got Bill hung, "I did not have sex with that woman" The hooker probably is scheming in case she is scorned.

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:41pm:

But what if the media then reports that the "intelligence community" doesn't like him either?

Its not a personality contest its a question of doing whats expected. when the security agencies are unwilling to share info that is a concern as a direct result of Trumps actions.

oh dear wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:07pm:

... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:41pm: But what if the media then reports that the "intelligence community" doesn't like him either? Its not a personality contest its a question of doing whats expected. when the security agencies are unwilling to share info that is a concern as a direct result of Trumps actions.

Yes, but I think what Honky's asking is how long it will take for the "intelligence community" to come up with evidence of Michelle being filmed by the Russians having kinky sex with high class prostitutes in order to blackmail and control her as president.

That's what you meant, right Honky?

oh dear wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:07pm:

... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:41pm: But what if the media then reports that the "intelligence community" doesn't like him either? Its not a personality contest its a question of doing whats expected. when the security agencies are unwilling to share info that is a concern as a direct result of Trumps actions.

Uhuh.

I personally reckon it could be because of the relentless smear campaign that's been running against him for over a year now, and/or the fact that they operate in the shadows that he was elected on a platform of illuminating.  Maybe it's not even real at all. 

But yeah, lets imagine we're in a world where none of that matters - who is he governing for -  The people or the intelligence community? 
What has the "intelligence community" done to earn your trust?

Condemnation for american adventurism have been pretty bipartisan since the turn of the century - why are you now happy - nay, begging - for them to control the worlds superpower?

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:15pm:

oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:07pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:41pm: But what if the media then reports that the "intelligence community" doesn't like him either? Its not a personality contest its a question of doing whats expected. when the security agencies are unwilling to share info that is a concern as a direct result of Trumps actions. Uhuh. I personally reckon it could be because of the relentless smear campaign that's been running against him for over a year now, and/or the fact that they operate in the shadows that he was elected on a platform of illuminating.  But yeah, lets imagine we're in a world where that didn't happen - who is he governing for -  The people or the intelligence community?  What has the "intelligence community" done to earn your trust?

Don't say evidence, Davo.

Honky will tell you you're dreaming.

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:15pm:

oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:07pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:41pm: But what if the media then reports that the "intelligence community" doesn't like him either? Its not a personality contest its a question of doing whats expected. when the security agencies are unwilling to share info that is a concern as a direct result of Trumps actions. Uhuh. I personally reckon it could be because of the relentless smear campaign that's been running against him for over a year now, and/or the fact that they operate in the shadows that he was elected on a platform of illuminating.  Maybe it's not even real at all.  But yeah, lets imagine we're in a world where none of that matters - who is he governing for -  The people or the intelligence community?  What has the "intelligence community" done to earn your trust?

Trump is a conman the media have simply reported the facts thats not a smear campaign thats the truth

oh dear wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:23pm:

... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:15pm: oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:07pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:41pm: But what if the media then reports that the "intelligence community" doesn't like him either? Its not a personality contest its a question of doing whats expected. when the security agencies are unwilling to share info that is a concern as a direct result of Trumps actions. Uhuh. I personally reckon it could be because of the relentless smear campaign that's been running against him for over a year now, and/or the fact that they operate in the shadows that he was elected on a platform of illuminating.  Maybe it's not even real at all.  But yeah, lets imagine we're in a world where none of that matters - who is he governing for -  The people or the intelligence community?  What has the "intelligence community" done to earn your trust? Trump is a conman the media have simply reported the facts thats not a smear campaign thats the truth

For that matter - what has the corporate media done to earn your trust?

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:24pm:

oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:23pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:15pm: oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:07pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:41pm: But what if the media then reports that the "intelligence community" doesn't like him either? Its not a personality contest its a question of doing whats expected. when the security agencies are unwilling to share info that is a concern as a direct result of Trumps actions. Uhuh. I personally reckon it could be because of the relentless smear campaign that's been running against him for over a year now, and/or the fact that they operate in the shadows that he was elected on a platform of illuminating.  Maybe it's not even real at all.  But yeah, lets imagine we're in a world where none of that matters - who is he governing for -  The people or the intelligence community?  What has the "intelligence community" done to earn your trust? Trump is a conman the media have simply reported the facts thats not a smear campaign thats the truth For that matter - what has the corporate media done to earn your trust?

You have to use your own judgement I wouldnt trust anything Brietbart Fox Alex Jones etc

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:24pm:

oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:23pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:15pm: oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:07pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:41pm: But what if the media then reports that the "intelligence community" doesn't like him either? Its not a personality contest its a question of doing whats expected. when the security agencies are unwilling to share info that is a concern as a direct result of Trumps actions. Uhuh. I personally reckon it could be because of the relentless smear campaign that's been running against him for over a year now, and/or the fact that they operate in the shadows that he was elected on a platform of illuminating.  Maybe it's not even real at all.  But yeah, lets imagine we're in a world where none of that matters - who is he governing for -  The people or the intelligence community?  What has the "intelligence community" done to earn your trust? Trump is a conman the media have simply reported the facts thats not a smear campaign thats the truth For that matter - what has the corporate media done to earn your trust?

Don't say reported Trump's own words, Davo. Honky will tell you they're lying.

oh dear wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:30pm:

... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:24pm: oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:23pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:15pm: oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:07pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:41pm: But what if the media then reports that the "intelligence community" doesn't like him either? Its not a personality contest its a question of doing whats expected. when the security agencies are unwilling to share info that is a concern as a direct result of Trumps actions. Uhuh. I personally reckon it could be because of the relentless smear campaign that's been running against him for over a year now, and/or the fact that they operate in the shadows that he was elected on a platform of illuminating.  Maybe it's not even real at all.  But yeah, lets imagine we're in a world where none of that matters - who is he governing for -  The people or the intelligence community?  What has the "intelligence community" done to earn your trust? Trump is a conman the media have simply reported the facts thats not a smear campaign thats the truth For that matter - what has the corporate media done to earn your trust? You have to use your own judgement I wouldnt trust anything Brietbart Fox Alex Jones etc

Why not? Most are on Trump's payroll - now the US government's payroll.

Why on earth would they lie?

oh dear wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:30pm:

... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:24pm: oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:23pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:15pm: oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:07pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:41pm: But what if the media then reports that the "intelligence community" doesn't like him either? Its not a personality contest its a question of doing whats expected. when the security agencies are unwilling to share info that is a concern as a direct result of Trumps actions. Uhuh. I personally reckon it could be because of the relentless smear campaign that's been running against him for over a year now, and/or the fact that they operate in the shadows that he was elected on a platform of illuminating.  Maybe it's not even real at all.  But yeah, lets imagine we're in a world where none of that matters - who is he governing for -  The people or the intelligence community?  What has the "intelligence community" done to earn your trust? Trump is a conman the media have simply reported the facts thats not a smear campaign thats the truth For that matter - what has the corporate media done to earn your trust? You have to use your own judgement I wouldnt trust anything Brietbart Fox Alex Jones etc

Sure, thats fine.

But wikileaks exposed collusion between all the major networks and the democrats - why would you trust them when they have a long record of falsehoods, propaganda and a confirmed arrangements with the opposition?

Why I ask you - why? 

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:40pm:

oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:30pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:24pm: oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:23pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:15pm: oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:07pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 6:41pm: But what if the media then reports that the "intelligence community" doesn't like him either? Its not a personality contest its a question of doing whats expected. when the security agencies are unwilling to share info that is a concern as a direct result of Trumps actions. Uhuh. I personally reckon it could be because of the relentless smear campaign that's been running against him for over a year now, and/or the fact that they operate in the shadows that he was elected on a platform of illuminating.  Maybe it's not even real at all.  But yeah, lets imagine we're in a world where none of that matters - who is he governing for -  The people or the intelligence community?  What has the "intelligence community" done to earn your trust? Trump is a conman the media have simply reported the facts thats not a smear campaign thats the truth For that matter - what has the corporate media done to earn your trust? You have to use your own judgement I wouldnt trust anything Brietbart Fox Alex Jones etc Sure, thats fine. But wikileaks exposed collusion between all the major networks and the democrats - why would you trust them when they have a long record of falsehoods, propaganda and a confirmed arrangements with the opposition? Why I ask you - why?

can you link me something to show the collusion?

Man...theres a lot.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11409

http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-donna-brazile-rigged-debate-gave-clinton-more-questions/

http://www.dailywire.com/news/7777/5-emails-showing-dnc-was-coordinating-press-aaron-bandler

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/09/exclusive-new-email-leak-reveals-clinton-campaigns-cozy-press-relationship/

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https://prod01-cdn07.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2016/10/cocktail2.png

https://prod01-cdn07.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2016/10/cocktail31.png

I had a look Honky I dont find those sources credible.

Well i saw them as they were released from wikileaks throughtout a year. 

I dont know about those particular sites, they were just google results, but they all trace back to wilileaks, to whom nobody challenges their authenticity.

Follow the trail, if you dare.

And that raises a question for me Assange has made very powerful enemiesI think it is an act of a desperate man I dont see anything but Assange living his life within the Educador embassy

oh dear wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:38pm:

And that raises a question for me Assange has made very powerful enemiesI think it is an act of a desperate man I dont see anything but Assange living his life within the Educador embassy

OK.  But what about the leaks?

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:43pm:

oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:38pm: And that raises a question for me Assange has made very powerful enemiesI think it is an act of a desperate man I dont see anything but Assange living his life within the Educador embassy OK.  But what about the leaks?

The FBi investigated and cleared Hillary

oh dear wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:52pm:

... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:43pm: oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:38pm: And that raises a question for me Assange has made very powerful enemiesI think it is an act of a desperate man I dont see anything but Assange living his life within the Educador embassy OK.  But what about the leaks? The FBi investigated and cleared Hillary

OK but what about the leaks?

oh dear wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:52pm:

... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:43pm: oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:38pm: And that raises a question for me Assange has made very powerful enemiesI think it is an act of a desperate man I dont see anything but Assange living his life within the Educador embassy OK.  But what about the leaks? The FBi investigated and cleared Hillary

No, the FBI found ample evidence of criminal wrong doing and refused to Prosecute! Hillary is a very vindictive and cruel person, if she had won all those who wanted to go forward with charges would have been the first to feel her wrath! People who stand in the way of what she wants sometimes end up dead.

Seven pages of rants so far and all I see are posts by people who pick which sources to believe and call it the truth.

The “deep state” is jargon for the semi-hidden army of bureaucrats, officials, retired officials, legislators, contractors and media people who support and defend established government policies.

Those “deep state” officials include the intelligence, law-enforcement and national security officials who worked in President Barack Obama’s administration but who are still working in permanent or temporary positions in the White House and in surrounding agencies. Many of those officials are believed to be leaking information from within the White House to allies in the anti-Trump media,

The US has been suffering the "death of a thousand cuts" for over fifty years and those doing the cutting are afraid they have just lost that power. For the first time it appears Government will be forced to shrink rather then grow. They demonized the Tea Party before Trump, anyone for less regulation and smaller government is a threat to them. Trump was elected because of the two faced hypocrisy that left so many feeling victimized by their own country! That hypocrisy is evident, both sides are not held to the same standard.      

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:19pm:

oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:52pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:43pm: oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:38pm: And that raises a question for me Assange has made very powerful enemiesI think it is an act of a desperate man I dont see anything but Assange living his life within the Educador embassy OK.  But what about the leaks? The FBi investigated and cleared Hillary OK but what about the leaks?

Honky's now down to repetitive questions. Won't be long now, Davo.

You know how this ends.

Anti-Trump Hysteria: What is the Establishment Afraid Of?

by Emmet Scott

To describe the media reaction to Donald’s Trump’s victory as hysterical is almost an understatement. The relentless demonization of the man, in newspapers, on television, on the internet, among politicians, among Hollywood celebrities and among academics, is truly without precedent. Look at a newspaper or log onto the internet and you’ll immediately be faced with a barrage of screaming headlines telling you how horrible the guy is. It really is weird.

You don’t have to be a genius to figure out that the establishment is angling for some way — any way — to get rid of Trump. There is no question, for example, that they have created and are creating a climate of hate which could well lead to his assassination. Failing that, it seems that they’d like to trigger some form of general uprising, with the aim of making the country ungovernable and thereby facilitating a legal process to force his resignation. Their motto seems to be: Whatever it takes, get rid of him.

This is all very good news for those who voted for Trump on the understanding that he was not just another establishment puppet: that he was his own man, a man who would represent the interests of the working people for whom he spoke during the campaign and who eventually put him into the White House.

But how to explain the establishment’s almost deranged hatred? There is no question that some vested interests will be harmed by his policies. Legislation against outsourcing of jobs abroad will unquestionably cut profits for many of the multinational corporations. On the other hand, his promise to massively cut Obama-era regulations has the potential to provide a great boost to industry and to profits — as stock market optimism in the immediate aftermath of his election would suggest. And if his promise to put an end to America’s wars abroad has alarmed the arms manufacturers, his promise to massively increase America’s military strength should certainly allay their fears. He has, to date (unfortunately) made no sign of ending the alliance with Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf states, the biggest consumers of American-made military hardware.

So the men with the big money will probably not be harmed by his government; they might even prosper. Yet these are the very people who hate him: The useful idiots protesting and rioting in the streets have been goaded into action by media hysteria. And the media is the establishment (Not that the protesters are themselves members of the working classes: The great majority are students and state-employed ‘professionals’ of one sort or another).

Whence, then, comes the hatred? Left-wing ideology — specifically gender-driven left-wing ideology — is certainly behind a lot of it. The protesters and the media are not so much worried about loss of welfare benefits or any other economic issue as they are about abortion and LGBT ‘rights’ — which they fear will be eroded under Trump. A recent article by Gavin McInnis, entitled “Normalizing Degeneracy” has pointed out that several of the organizers of anti-Trump demonstrations have convictions for pedophile offences. In McInnis’ opinion, these and many others of Trump’s opponents wish to continue the cultural revolution ongoing under the Obama administration, tear down the last vestiges of Christian morality, and legalize all forms of deviance, including pedophilia.

I believe that McInnis is right; that most of the opposition to Trump has nothing whatsoever to do with traditional left-wing concerns, such as working-class poverty, and is almost entirely driven by sexual and sex-related issues. His opponents fear losing the culture-war gains they made under Obama. However, I would suggest that many members of the establishment have, in addition, something very personal to fear from the Trump administration: For it would appear that some of America’s most powerful people have been involved in activities which if brought into the public forum would utterly destroy them, not only professionally, but also personally.

For many years now rumors about a massive pedophile ring operating among the upper echelons of the Hollywood elite have been rife. That such a network does exist has been confirmed by several of the world’s most respected child (or former child) actors. The televised testimony of Corey Feldman, for one, can be viewed by anyone on YouTube; whilst similar statements have been made by Elijah Wood and several others, and it is fairly clear that sexual abuse of children in Hollywood has been a problem for many years — one that has been continually brushed under the carpet by an extremely powerful elite. Only occasionally have perpetrators been accused in public — as was Roman Polanski in 1977 — and even less commonly have such persons been brought to justice.

But the Hollywood elite, it would seem, are only one part of the establishment up to their necks in this kind of behavior. We know that Bill Clinton made twenty-six journeys on Jeffrey Epstein’s notorious ‘Lolita Express’ — the aircraft which brought Epstein’s guests to parties on his Caribbean island and other destinations where underage girls were regularly on the menu. Recent revelations about Anthony Weiner, the estranged husband of Hillary Clinton’s personal assistant Huma Abedin, point in the same direction. Then of course we have the leaked Podesta emails and the whole ‘Pizzagate’ affair. If there is any truth at all in the idea that the coded language used in these emails refers to the sexual abuse of underage children, then it would appear that a substantial segment of the Democratic Party (as well apparently as some members of the Republican Party) are active pedophiles.

Almost all of the mainstream media in the United States are vociferous Democrat partisans. We know from similar events in Britain and elsewhere that the media and the establishment in general protect powerful child abusers almost as a matter of course. Could it be that the Pizzagate allegations are true and that the Democrats and their media friends and colleagues fear criminal prosecution by an administration that does not ‘play by the rules’ of the elitist game?


Phrased alternatively:
Since the PTB knows the US/NATO-provoked war with Russia will be hugely destructive not only in theatre but also in CONUS, what is so terrible that the world must be set alight to prevent its discovery?
Bad people.
Bad motives.
Bad strategy.
Bad outcome.

Don't you just (....) all this obfuscation and BS.???

Good grief... its like a c-grade sci-fi movie. The President is a traitor. He was a traitor on prime time news .. 
Prior to his utterly bogus election he called on Mr Putin and Russian hackers to get into Hillary Clinton's e-mails.

It is right there in front of your f'n faces and you can STILL argue about it?
If he lasts 6 months Americans have a lot to be ashamed of.

Emma wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 2:01am:

Don't you just (....) all this obfuscation and BS.??? Good grief... its like a c-grade sci-fi movie. The President is a traitor. He was a traitor on prime time news ..  Prior to his utterly bogus election he called on Mr Putin and Russian hackers to get into Hillary Clinton's e-mails. It is right there in front of your f'n faces and you can STILL argue about it? If he lasts 6 months Americans have a lot to be ashamed of.

Whenever I see Emma's ID I know some stupid comment will follow. She never fails.

Russia's alleged involvement in the election is just a conspiracy theory created and repeated constantly by the Democrats then launched on the public by a corrupt media. A distraction!
Besides Russia has the means to lay waste all of the US. Not wise to constantly poke a tiger with a sharp stick.

There was a book by sex worker Cathy O'Brien called called "The Transformation of America". She exposes what goes on behind closed doors in Washington. She names ex Presidents, vice Presidents and senior administration officials and their disgusting activities. Its all there.

Editorial Reviews
This is the documented autobiography of a victim of government mind control. Cathy O'Brien is the only vocal and recovered survivor of the Central Intelligence Agency's MK-Ultra Project Monarch mind control operation. Chiseled deep into the white stone of the CIA's Langley, Virginia headquarters is a partial verse lifted from the Holy Bible and writings of Saint John...""and the truth shall set you free." This statement, like the agency, is total reality. The building that it is engraved upon houses the world's most successful manufacturer of lies to facilitate psychological warfare. The "Company" uses truth and technology as their raw materials to produce "pure" lies for control of you and America's allies.



  So why hasn't Ms O'Brien been sued if it is false!
Because it probably is true. You don't go to court is the allegations are true.

Time to drain the swamp - unless of course you think that pedophilia is OK!

Richdude wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 3:14am:

Emma wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 2:01am: Don't you just (....) all this obfuscation and BS.??? Good grief... its like a c-grade sci-fi movie. The President is a traitor. He was a traitor on prime time news ..  Prior to his utterly bogus election he called on Mr Putin and Russian hackers to get into Hillary Clinton's e-mails. It is right there in front of your f'n faces and you can STILL argue about it? If he lasts 6 months Americans have a lot to be ashamed of. Whenever I see Emma's ID I know some stupid comment will follow. She never fails. Russia's alleged involvement in the election is just a conspiracy theory created and repeated constantly by the Democrats then launched on the public by a corrupt media. A distraction! Besides Russia has the means to lay waste all of the US. Not wise to constantly poke a tiger with a sharp stick. There was a book by sex worker Cathy O'Brien called called the "Trance: Formation of America". She exposes what goes on behind closed doors in Washington's elite. She names ex Presidents, vice Presidents and senior administration officials and their disgusting activities. Its all there. Editorial Reviews This is the documented autobiography of a victim of government mind control. Cathy O'Brien is the only vocal and recovered survivor of the Central Intelligence Agency's MK-Ultra Project Monarch mind control operation. Chiseled deep into the white stone of the CIA's Langley, Virginia headquarters is a partial verse lifted from the Holy Bible and writings of Saint John...""and the truth shall set you free." This statement, like the agency, is total reality. The building that it is engraved upon houses the world's most successful manufacturer of lies to facilitate psychological warfare. The "Company" uses truth and technology as their raw materials to produce "pure" lies for control of you and America's allies.   So why hasn't Ms O'Brien been sued if it is false! Because it probably is true. You don't go to court is the allegations are true. Time to drain the swamp - unless of course you think that pedophilia is OK!

Sorry! Double post.

Richdude wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 3:14am:

Emma wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 2:01am: Don't you just (....) all this obfuscation and BS.??? Good grief... its like a c-grade sci-fi movie. The President is a traitor. He was a traitor on prime time news ..  Prior to his utterly bogus election he called on Mr Putin and Russian hackers to get into Hillary Clinton's e-mails. It is right there in front of your f'n faces and you can STILL argue about it? If he lasts 6 months Americans have a lot to be ashamed of. Whenever I see Emma's ID I know some stupid comment will follow. She never fails. Russia's alleged involvement in the election is just a conspiracy theory created and repeated constantly by the Democrats then launched on the public by a corrupt media. A distraction! Besides Russia has the means to lay waste all of the US. Not wise to constantly poke a tiger with a sharp stick. There was a book by sex worker Cathy O'Brien called called "The Transformation of America". She exposes what goes on behind closed doors in Washington. She names ex Presidents, vice Presidents and senior administration officials and their disgusting activities. Its all there. Editorial Reviews This is the documented autobiography of a victim of government mind control. Cathy O'Brien is the only vocal and recovered survivor of the Central Intelligence Agency's MK-Ultra Project Monarch mind control operation. Chiseled deep into the white stone of the CIA's Langley, Virginia headquarters is a partial verse lifted from the Holy Bible and writings of Saint John...""and the truth shall set you free." This statement, like the agency, is total reality. The building that it is engraved upon houses the world's most successful manufacturer of lies to facilitate psychological warfare. The "Company" uses truth and technology as their raw materials to produce "pure" lies for control of you and America's allies.   So why hasn't Ms O'Brien been sued if it is false! Because it probably is true. You don't go to court is the allegations are true. Time to drain the swamp - unless of course you think that pedophilia is OK!

It is fascinating watching you and your fellow Trumpoids in action. You deny absolutely anything and everything that you do not like and conversely swallow any BS that serves your beliefs and purpose.  You are quite literally, a fool.

Another day, another Trump tirade.

He is floundering. He has no idea how deep in
doo-doo he really  is. Him and his big mouth. ::)

No politician in their right mind would join the Trump team now. ;D

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 10:32pm:

oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:52pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:43pm: oh dear wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:38pm: And that raises a question for me Assange has made very powerful enemiesI think it is an act of a desperate man I dont see anything but Assange living his life within the Educador embassy OK.  But what about the leaks? The FBi investigated and cleared Hillary No, the FBI found ample evidence of criminal wrong doing and refused to Prosecute! Hillary is a very vindictive and cruel person, if she had won all those who wanted to go forward with charges would have been the first to feel her wrath! People who stand in the way of what she wants sometimes end up dead.

Then why hasn't she been prosecuted since the results came in?

If, as you say, they had ample evidence why, 3 months after election night, the FBI haven't gone after her?

There were a number of valid criticisms of the Obama administration, but the Republican Party and Right in general, created the environment for Trump in any number of spurious attacks on Obama, from personal attacks to downright lies. Now they are going to have to do something with their monster, or they will lose the next election at the very best of possibilities. The fact is that the Republicans are now more divided than the Democrats. That will not work.

I think people wanted to save America's 20 trillion dollar economy so they can land an Astronaut onto Mars in 2035 first (like the moon in '69). 

renegadeviking wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 9:19am:

I think people wanted to save America's 20 trillion dollar economy so they can land an Astronaut onto Mars in 2035 first (like the moon in '69).

more scandalous fake news. ::)

a person taking on the Presidency of the US of A is required to meet the highest standards.

By his actions and words, given the above, Trump is clearly certifiable.

Personally, I don't mind at all to have Trump. Even as a leftwinger, I'm even thankful for him.

When I look at all the protesters and do-little losers. I'm glad for him to be "our" president, if that's the way we see him.
He's one pretty tough hombre, especially for the oldest president to take office. I think we need him to be saying the things he's saying.

We're far too accustomed to, and accepting of political lies. Bring it now, before our next generation needs to suffer with it.

There needs to come an end to this bs. Us plebs are unable now to fight anymore lest there be a revolution.

Interesting times. See what happens.

Emma wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 12:14am:

renegadeviking wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 9:19am: I think people wanted to save America's 20 trillion dollar economy so they can land an Astronaut onto Mars in 2035 first (like the moon in '69).  more scandalous fake news. ::) a person taking on the Presidency of the US of A is required to meet the highest standards. By his actions and words, given the above, Trump is clearly certifiable.

People are so use to politicians lying that when Trump speaks - they are shocked. No President has ever called the press public enemy No 1. How many wars have the American public been conned into fighting by the press. Every single one. Trumps victory is a sign of rising consciousness.

He is not insane Agnes - rather that of strength and moral courage.

Richdude wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 5:38am:

Emma wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 12:14am: renegadeviking wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 9:19am: I think people wanted to save America's 20 trillion dollar economy so they can land an Astronaut onto Mars in 2035 first (like the moon in '69).  more scandalous fake news. ::) a person taking on the Presidency of the US of A is required to meet the highest standards. By his actions and words, given the above, Trump is clearly certifiable. People are so use to politicians lying that when Trump speaks - they are shocked. No President has ever called the press public enemy No 1. How many wars have the American public been conned into fighting by the press. Every single one. Trumps victory is a sign of rising consciousness. He is not insane Agnes - rather that of strength and moral courage.

He lies every time he speaks. PROVABLE lies.

How do you support that?

Richdude wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 5:38am:

How many wars have the American public been conned into fighting by the press. Every single one.

So not the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour then? Fake bombing?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 10:06am:

Richdude wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:38am: How many wars have the American public been conned into fighting by the press. Every single one. So not the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour then? Fake bombing?

The American people were against war prior to Pearl Harbor. Roosevelt tried every trick to enter the war.

Japan relied upon imports for economic survival. The US placed sanctions against Japan denying them access to materials. Japans economic survival was at stake.

The press concentrated on the attack at Pearl Harbor and excluded the previous events. It gave Roosevelt what he wanted.

"The first casualty of war is the truth"

Richdude wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 4:42pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 10:06am: Richdude wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:38am: How many wars have the American public been conned into fighting by the press. Every single one. So not the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour then? Fake bombing? The American people were against war prior to Pearl Harbor. Roosevelt tried every trick to enter the war. Japan relied upon imports for economic survival. The US placed sanctions against Japan denying them access to materials. Japans economic survival was at stake. The press concentrated on the attack at Pearl Harbor and excluded the previous events. It gave Roosevelt what he wanted. "The first casualty of war is the truth"

I'd bet all Americans concentrated on the attack at pearl Harbour... It was a catastrophic attack on your country. Should the 'media' have characterised it as a 'disagreement'?

Richdude wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 4:42pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 10:06am: Richdude wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:38am: How many wars have the American public been conned into fighting by the press. Every single one. So not the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour then? Fake bombing? The American people were against war prior to Pearl Harbor. Roosevelt tried every trick to enter the war. Japan relied upon imports for economic survival. The US placed sanctions against Japan denying them access to materials. Japans economic survival was at stake. The press concentrated on the attack at Pearl Harbor and excluded the previous events. It gave Roosevelt what he wanted. "The first casualty of war is the truth"

What is the most intriguing aspect of posts like these is how they mirror almost word for word Noam Chomsky.

It's a testament to trumps political 'androgyny'.

Amazes how all the little, stupid, racist, Trumptard trolls that freedumpster allows to freely roam around t(his) site are allowed to post their hate without reprisal. That's because freedumpster is a racist himself. Rampant xenophobic hate speech should not be tolerated anywhere, eh, freedumpster?

Trump is an idiot. His followers of blind mice are idiots. Trump's bullshit of his “America First” agenda of economic nationalism and a looming war with Iran war are just another qualitative development of a trend that has been building up within the corrupt world capitalist economy for years and years. Yet, you cannot explain anything to a Trumptard - they're too busy being on their knees blowing 7ft cardboard cutouts of their fascist leader to notice what's really going on around them 

Marla wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2017 at 7:16am:

Amazes how all the little, stupid, racist, Trumptard trolls that freedumpster allows to freely roam around t(his) site are allowed to post their hate without reprisal. That's because freedumpster is a racist himself. Rampant xenophobic hate speech should not be tolerated anywhere, eh, freedumpster? Trump is an idiot. His followers of blind mice are idiots. Trump's bullshit of his “America First” agenda of economic nationalism and a looming war with Iran war are just another qualitative development of a trend that has been building up within the corrupt world capitalist economy for years and years. Yet, you cannot explain anything to a Trumptard - they're too busy being on their knees blowing 7ft cardboard cutouts of their fascist leader to notice what's really going on around them

OH yeah! Just too cool!

You think you have it all figured out.
In 20 years time you will look back and be embarrast when you realize just how ignorant and foolish you were.
Come back then.

Don't worry, bitchrude. After Grumpy Trumpy is gone you'll still have your patriarchy white male privilege.

Marla wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 4:45am:

Don't worry, bitchrude. After Grumpy Trumpy is gone you'll still have your patriarchy white male privilege.

Its not really "privilege".
Its more white male "duty".


Because the confident, strong, powerful  and influential white male realises he has climbed much higher on the "narrow road to success" then all others, he looks around and out of a sense of "contribution" he decides that he must "lead".

In all honesty, most superior men who are crushing it in life could just retire to their yachts and their mistresses but a few of the absolute best, the elite, the cream of the cream (such as Trump) just get so much satisfaction out of contributing that they continue to do so out of a very selfless sense of duty.

Trump has enough money to just disappear and "pleasure himself " for eternity.
The fact that he subjects himself to the harsh world of leadership, the thankless task of assisting the durrr state socialists to join the journey on the "narrow road to success" is just further evidence of the integrity and generosity of this great man

Get lost, horse molester.

Marla wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 7:13am:

Get lost, horse molester.

;D ;D ;D

Now that's enough out of you, weed-sucker. Show some respect for your elders.

Meanwhile ... Je Suis Trump

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 7:44am:

Marla wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 7:13am: Get lost, horse molester. ;D ;D ;D Now that's enough out of you, weed-sucker. Show some respect for your elders. Meanwhile ... Je Suis Trump

this interaction (between Marla and myself) is symptomatic of why there are such high rates of anxiety and depression in the western world.
i believe i read that 50 % of the american population have levels on a kessler 10 test that indicate significant anxiety or depression.

There is a great book called Tribal wisdom or something that says that once people get into a tribe of over 150 people , their ability to maintain a healthy emotional state deteriorates as they are not subject to the social pressure that is needed.

marla and many like her are swimming in the pond of the internet now.
There is simply no way that the alpha male can kick her butt and so her mental state "erodes".

you see humans, especially inferior humans, need to have their butt kicked by the alpha's of the tribe because it makes them feel safe and it stabilises their whirling emotions. it helps them focus.

a company or regiment of soldiers know this.
you dont just fight as 1 million random men.
you need that one on one training and guidance and discipline because war is harsh.

well , guess what....life is pretty harsh too.

life is incredibly harsh , in fact and life is inherently unfair....just like war.

because the superior men , like yourself herbert and myself cannot help guide these poor wretched inferior citizens , they are left to just waft around in unfocused discontent and lower consciousness.

trump, as commander in chief, wants to mould them into an awesome fighting unit...we should support him in this.
They (the mediocre anxious and depressed scrubby citizens ) will be helped by his grounded tutelage

aquascoot wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 7:55am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 7:44am: Marla wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 7:13am: Get lost, horse molester. ;D ;D ;D Now that's enough out of you, weed-sucker. Show some respect for your elders. Meanwhile ... Je Suis Trump this interaction (between Marla and myself) is symptomatic of why there are such high rates of anxiety and depression in the western world. i believe i read that 50 % of the american population have levels on a kessler 10 test that indicate significant anxiety or depression. There is a great book called Tribal wisdom or something that says that once people get into a tribe of over 150 people , their ability to maintain a healthy emotional state deteriorates as they are not subject to the social pressure that is needed. marla and many like her are swimming in the pond of the internet now. There is simply no way that the alpha male can kick her butt and so her mental state "erodes". you see humans, especially inferior humans, need to have their butt kicked by the alpha's of the tribe because it makes them feel safe and it stabilises their whirling emotions. it helps them focus. a company or regiment of soldiers know this. you dont just fight as 1 million random men. you need that one on one training and guidance and discipline because war is harsh. well , guess what....life is pretty harsh too. life is incredibly harsh , in fact and life is inherently unfair....just like war. because the superior men , like yourself herbert and myself cannot help guide these poor wretched inferior citizens , they are left to just waft around in unfocused discontent and lower consciousness. trump, as commander in chief, wants to mould them into an awesome fighting unit...we should support him in this. They (the mediocre anxious and depressed scrubby citizens ) will be helped by his grounded tutelage

You're so ridiculous, sometimes i think you are just taking the piss.

mothra wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 8:03am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 7:55am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 7:44am: Marla wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 7:13am: Get lost, horse molester. ;D ;D ;D Now that's enough out of you, weed-sucker. Show some respect for your elders. Meanwhile ... Je Suis Trump this interaction (between Marla and myself) is symptomatic of why there are such high rates of anxiety and depression in the western world. i believe i read that 50 % of the american population have levels on a kessler 10 test that indicate significant anxiety or depression. There is a great book called Tribal wisdom or something that says that once people get into a tribe of over 150 people , their ability to maintain a healthy emotional state deteriorates as they are not subject to the social pressure that is needed. marla and many like her are swimming in the pond of the internet now. There is simply no way that the alpha male can kick her butt and so her mental state "erodes". you see humans, especially inferior humans, need to have their butt kicked by the alpha's of the tribe because it makes them feel safe and it stabilises their whirling emotions. it helps them focus. a company or regiment of soldiers know this. you dont just fight as 1 million random men. you need that one on one training and guidance and discipline because war is harsh. well , guess what....life is pretty harsh too. life is incredibly harsh , in fact and life is inherently unfair....just like war. because the superior men , like yourself herbert and myself cannot help guide these poor wretched inferior citizens , they are left to just waft around in unfocused discontent and lower consciousness. trump, as commander in chief, wants to mould them into an awesome fighting unit...we should support him in this. They (the mediocre anxious and depressed scrubby citizens ) will be helped by his grounded tutelage You're so ridiculous, sometimes i think you are just taking the piss.

the "chain of command" has been broken and this commenced about 60 years ago.

since then the levels of anxiety and depression , anger , fearfulness, discontent, apathy, nihilism and durrr state "surviving, not thriving behaviour" have gone up.

does this not say something about the "primal highway" and what is best for everyones "peace and harmony".

you seem to think this is me being "Ra Ra men".

its not.

i would much rather just get on with my work and my passions and let women lead. its hard and challenging work to "step up",  but , as a male, i have had periods where i didnt "man up and lead" and you just get destroyed (at work and in personal relationships).

women and employees respond to a man who has a spine and offers a place of comfort by being manly , by having firm boundaries and being icy. they do not respond to the "weak sauce" model of a man presneted by most men nowadays.

I'd love to just sit on the couch and be 'fat steve" and go full durrr state for a while.
but i also recognise that, as a man, once you lose momentum, your f*cked and those around you are f*cked too.
Trump recognises this . we are kindred spirits

mothra wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 8:03am:

You're so ridiculous, sometimes i think you are just taking the piss.

He just makes it up as he goes along.

Marla wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 8:19am:

mothra wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 8:03am: You're so ridiculous, sometimes i think you are just taking the piss. He just makes it up as he goes along.

Yes he is one of those bookish types that has all the theories but does sfa on the worksite.

I prefer a doer any day!

The doer would have done half a days work before aqua got his tool bag out of the ute!

Marla wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 8:19am:

mothra wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 8:03am: You're so ridiculous, sometimes i think you are just taking the piss. He just makes it up as he goes along.

Indeed, masculine energy is about "penetrating the world with YOUR ideas. owning it. and having 1000's of "reference experiences" where you have "learnt from the harsh reality of the world" to calibrate and reframe things".

can you not see that this is what Trump does.

You see him as "making it up as he goes"

I see a guy with SO MUCH EXPERIENCE that he can put it out there, stay the course, calibrate and reframe on the fly and keep on powering ahead.

Its simply leadership on massive doses of adrenaline and testosterone and the ride may be a bit bumpy but the trajectory is definitely up

aquascoot wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 7:55am:

this interaction (between Marla and myself) is symptomatic of why there are such high rates of anxiety and depression in the western world. i believe i read that 50 % of the american population have levels on a kessler 10 test that indicate significant anxiety or depression. There is a great book called Tribal wisdom or something that says that once people get into a tribe of over 150 people , their ability to maintain a healthy emotional state deteriorates as they are not subject to the social pressure that is needed. marla and many like her are swimming in the pond of the internet now. There is simply no way that the alpha male can kick her butt and so her mental state "erodes".

Absolutely correct.

Her role as a born-and-bred female is in a state of disintegration right before our eyes because she doesn't have a 'Tarzan' to keep her 'Jane' knowing its place in the scheme of things.

Her abusive and insulting soliloquies are really a cry for help for some alpha-male to please come into her life and tame her with regular spankings as preludes to take-no-prisoners high-audio sex sessions.

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 8:32am:

Marla wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 8:19am: mothra wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 8:03am: You're so ridiculous, sometimes i think you are just taking the piss. He just makes it up as he goes along. Yes he is one of those bookish types that has all the theories but does sfa on the worksite. I prefer a doer any day! The doer would have done half a days work before aqua got his tool bag out of the ute!

Alphas supervise while betas do the work. Any bee-keeper will tell you that.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 8:42am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 8:32am: Marla wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 8:19am: mothra wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 8:03am: You're so ridiculous, sometimes i think you are just taking the piss. He just makes it up as he goes along. Yes he is one of those bookish types that has all the theories but does sfa on the worksite. I prefer a doer any day! The doer would have done half a days work before aqua got his tool bag out of the ute! Alphas supervise while betas do the work. Any bee-keeper will tell you that.

You mean queens and drones?

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 8:39am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 7:55am: this interaction (between Marla and myself) is symptomatic of why there are such high rates of anxiety and depression in the western world. i believe i read that 50 % of the american population have levels on a kessler 10 test that indicate significant anxiety or depression. There is a great book called Tribal wisdom or something that says that once people get into a tribe of over 150 people , their ability to maintain a healthy emotional state deteriorates as they are not subject to the social pressure that is needed. marla and many like her are swimming in the pond of the internet now. There is simply no way that the alpha male can kick her butt and so her mental state "erodes". Absolutely correct. Her role as a born-and-bred female is in a state of disintegration right before our eyes because she doesn't have a 'Tarzan' to keep her 'Jane' knowing its place in the scheme of things. Her abusive and insulting soliloquies are really a cry for help for some alpha-male to please come into her life and tame her with regular spankings as preludes to take-no-prisoners high-audio sex sessions.

well, thats one way of putting it ;)

but if you watch some of these "womens" shows in the mainstream media (the View for example) you will get an aura of "disdain and disgust ' for men.
And its really a disdain and disgust for the type of man that Raymond on "everyone shames raymond" portrays.

because if men dont "man up" women will putz shame them and if they "take this shaming" , this is the most repulsive thing to a woman.

When fat steve is sitting on the couch and his fat wife tells him to "take out the trash" and he says "OK Honey", she feels like he should jump in the trash can as well. because a man who acts this way , who submits and supplicates (the way the mainstream media now tell men to act) is a piece of garbage to a woman .

She resents his lack of a spine.
She resents that she doesnt have the alpha stallion to bed her.
She hates "fat steve" worse then poison.

And when she sees Ivanka with her killer executor dominator of a husband, her little brain just cant take it anymore  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 9:07am:

When fat steve is sitting on the couch and his fat wife tells him to "take out the trash" and he says "OK Honey", she feels like he should jump in the trash can as well. because a man who acts this way , who submits and supplicates (the way the mainstream media now tell men to act) is a piece of garbage to a woman . She resents his lack of a spine. She resents that she doesnt have the alpha stallion to bed her. She hates "fat steve" worse then poison. And when she sees Ivanka with her killer executor dominator of a husband, her little brain just cant take it anymore  ;)

Exactly my thoughts.

If Marla decides to visit Australia she'll find she'll be having high-octave, high-volume sexual encounters with both young and elderly Alpha-Plus males that litter this continent like confetti after a wedding.

Instead of sucking that bong of hers all day, she'll be blowing ... (Censored. OzPol is a family-friendly program)

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 8:42am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 8:32am: Marla wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 8:19am: mothra wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 8:03am: You're so ridiculous, sometimes i think you are just taking the piss. He just makes it up as he goes along. Yes he is one of those bookish types that has all the theories but does sfa on the worksite. I prefer a doer any day! The doer would have done half a days work before aqua got his tool bag out of the ute! Alphas supervise while betas do the work. Any bee-keeper will tell you that.

Decent managers also work their butts off, they dont just sit there supervising and espousing theories like aqua.

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 9:37am:

Decent managers also work their butts off, they dont just sit there supervising and espousing theories like aqua.

Well they should.

We had a manager who used to occasionally come onto the floor to physically help us on the production lines, that is, until he was ordered by the union to hire a full-time worker to replace his occasional help, and NOT to help any more.

If he thought we needed help for being short of an extra hand - then it was up to him to employ another worker.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 9:30am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 9:07am: When fat steve is sitting on the couch and his fat wife tells him to "take out the trash" and he says "OK Honey", she feels like he should jump in the trash can as well. because a man who acts this way , who submits and supplicates (the way the mainstream media now tell men to act) is a piece of garbage to a woman . She resents his lack of a spine. She resents that she doesnt have the alpha stallion to bed her. She hates "fat steve" worse then poison. And when she sees Ivanka with her killer executor dominator of a husband, her little brain just cant take it anymore  ;) Exactly my thoughts. If Marla decides to visit Australia she'll find she'll be having high-octave, high-volume sexual encounters with both young and elderly Alpha-Plus males that litter this continent like confetti after a wedding. Instead of sucking that bong of hers all day, she'll be blowing ... (Censored. OzPol is a family-friendly program)

They dont you know herb.
There are not that many around.
I'll be the first to admit that i'm not an alpha, but i have learnt how to use alpha behaviours, even if just to make my relationship a better one for my partner.

i dont want to sound crass, but its also how i "understand" Trumps announcement that "they just let you do it".

aquascoot wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 8:33am:

Marla wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 8:19am: mothra wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 8:03am: You're so ridiculous, sometimes i think you are just taking the piss. He just makes it up as he goes along. Indeed, masculine energy is about "penetrating the world with YOUR ideas. owning it. and having 1000's of "reference experiences" where you have "learnt from the harsh reality of the world" to calibrate and reframe things".

Exactly. In other words, he just makes stuff up.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 9:44am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 9:37am: Decent managers also work their butts off, they dont just sit there supervising and espousing theories like aqua. Well they should. We had a manager who used to occasionally come onto the floor to physically help us on the production lines, that is, until he was ordered by the union to hire a full-time worker to replace his occasional help, and NOT to help any more.

Sounds like a large unionised factory to me.

My most admired boss did just that!

Didnt interfere but was always available in a crisis to assist if he could,

the other one I had for a while who fortunately was passed over for promotion was more interested in sitting in his office with a lot of staff surrounding him espousing his theories like someone we know on here.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 9:45am:

but if you think that some men (not me) do not have the ability to do this and that some women are not totally turned on by it, you simply dont want to acknowledge the fact that you have no ideas what is going on in some womens heads . i would never advise anyone to do this by the way and i think trump was crass to say it, but i do not think it was an assault

That's right, dear. Mr Trump's an alpha, which turns the ladies on. He said so himself - "when you're a star, they let you do anything. Give them a kiss, grab their pussies, anything."

Of course it's not assault. Mr Trump's a celebrity - sorry, The Leader of the Free World.

Mr Trump can do what he wants, dear.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 9:45am:

I'll be the first to admit that i'm not an alpha, but i have learnt how to use alpha behaviours, even if just to make my relationship a better one for my partner. i dont want to sound crass, but its also how i "understand" Trumps announcement that "they just let you do it".

STOP THE PRESS!

You can't possibly be confessing to being a Beta-sheep in Alpha-wolf's clothing?!

WHERE are my smelling salts?

This was a typo, aqua, which even the best of us are guilty of from time to time.

:-[

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 9:57am:

Sounds like a large unionised factory to me. My most admired boss did just that! Didnt interfere but was always available in a crisis to assist if he could, the other one I had for a while who fortunately was passed over for promotion was more interested in sitting in his office with a lot of staff surrounding him espousing his theories like someone we know on here.

What? Horsing around with his subordinates in the office?  8-)

If the manager stayed on the job helping us 24/7 - then fine, but what about those 7 hours a day when we were struggling without him?

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 10:34am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 9:45am: I'll be the first to admit that i'm not an alpha, but i have learnt how to use alpha behaviours, even if just to make my relationship a better one for my partner. i dont want to sound crass, but its also how i "understand" Trumps announcement that "they just let you do it". STOP THE PRESS! You can't possibly be confessing to being a Beta-sheep in Alpha-wolf's clothing?! WHERE are my smelling salts? This was a typo, aqua, which even the best of us are guilty of from time to time. :-[

Herbert, i think when we are young, we believe what the mainstream tell us.

get a good job, be a gentleman, impress her with your watch and car, be super nice....

it doesnt work,

when you do that, you are coming from a position of low status and you are trying to 'qualify yourself" to the girl..

Do you like me yet?  is the mainstream media frame...and why not, they want to sell gym memberships, watches, clothes, expensive resturant meals.


but the truth is that women are turned on by behaviours .
and if you just act like a confident guy who doesnt care, if you are a bit indifferent, then they 'value' your validation.

Trump is confident, trump is a bit indifferent, trump doesnt really seem to care about others opinion of him.

some (not all women) are super attracted to this.

the same with staff.
if you are too much of a people pleaser as a boss..they lose respect.

you have to have firm boundaries, you have to have good emotional control.

now , both staff and women will "buy in"

and when staff or women "invest" it just becomes an upward spiral.  the more invested they are, the more they want it to work and the harder they try and now you can treat them really really really good.

but if you start off as a weak supplicating beta male in business or in relationships...you will be destroyed.

some people seem to think alpha behaviour is the behaviour of an asshole.  nothing could be further from the truth.  it is an act of contribution and love to "lead"

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 10:35am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 9:57am: Sounds like a large unionised factory to me. My most admired boss did just that! Didnt interfere but was always available in a crisis to assist if he could, the other one I had for a while who fortunately was passed over for promotion was more interested in sitting in his office with a lot of staff surrounding him espousing his theories like someone we know on here. What? Horsing around with his subordinates in the office?  8-) If the manager stayed on the job helping us 24/7 - then fine, but what about those 7 hours a day when we were struggling without him?

No just bullshitting on to anyone who would listen, most of the under managers were busy running their sections, he was just a distraction to that wasting your staff's time if they were silly enough to stop near his office door.

Some of us had a rule stopping to talk with the boss if he cornered you was not an excuse for not being on your job. This was not a factory situation all of the staff had independent tasks.

The manager that helped had plenty of his own work to do and we were expected to manage our areas as best we could even though we might have to call for help on occasions, this was usually provided from other areas. I was more talking about him being a great support with a bit of hands on on odd occasions.!

aquascoot wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 9:45am:

I'll be the first to admit that i'm not an alpha,

pretty sure most people on here noticed that already. :D :D

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:44pm:

"Steve Reilly of USA Today, in a thoroughly researched expose of Trump’s business practices,

Is that like saying it was researched by "today tonight"?

LOL
P/S ever called Trump a peado pecca?

Marla wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 4:45am:

Don't worry, bitchrude. After Grumpy Trumpy is gone you'll still have your patriarchy white male privilege.

What privilege? Where does it exist?

Should I ask my county for a reduction in taxes or the IRS because of my "white male privilege"?

Your white male privilege exists only in prejudiced brain.
As I said before - you need to grow up. You will never win in your war with reality.

I am amazed.
Even though he has still not been able to finalise on his  'çronies', and his decrees have been widely condemned, or roundly criticised, he still has the balls to deny freedom of speech. :o

I have to hand it to him.. he has said , and tried to do, the  'unthinkable', and doesn't even try to hide the fact that he wants to turn the USA into his own personal dictatorship, and he still has public support.  Apparently.!!!

Of course we all know that his attack on the media is a pre-emptive strike to cover up his own deceit and complicity in FAKE NEWS.
His audacity is breathtaking.
And I really despise him and his ability to manipulate. A psycho of the first order.

Trump has to fill about 630 confirmable positions. So far he has done about 30 and has stated that he doesnt think he needs the rest.  The state department 3rd in command's day job is CLEANER.

kemal wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 10:07pm:

P/S ever called Trump a peado pecca?

Nope.

Have you?


http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/trumpvid-750x400.jpg

You know his election is a reflection on America's political system. Trump would never have been the Head of Government in a Westminster system.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2017 at 3:48pm:

kemal wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 10:07pm: P/S ever called Trump a peado pecca? Nope. Have you? http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/trumpvid-750x400.jpg

You are a petty little man.
All of the allegations have been dropped.
I do hope he sues the living guts out of you and the owners of this site.
Then again how much can you gain from garnishing two dole cheques?

LOL

Adamant wrote on Mar 1^st, 2017 at 4:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 3:48pm: kemal wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 10:07pm: P/S ever called Trump a peado pecca? Nope. Have you? http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/trumpvid-750x400.jpg You are a petty little man. All of the allegations have been dropped. I do hope he sues the living guts out of you and the owners of this site. Then again how much can you gain from garnishing two dole cheques? LOL

P/S

More Peado stuff from Gweg, does anybody else think he has a problem?

Adamant wrote on Mar 1^st, 2017 at 4:16pm:

All of the allegations have been dropped.

Incorrect.

Donald Trump remains an alleged rapist.

Adamant wrote on Mar 1^st, 2017 at 4:16pm:

I do hope he sues the living guts out of you and the owners of this site.

Sue? For telling the truth?

Lol

I can assure you this is true:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/trumpvid-750x400.jpg

"Sue"    ;D

Any coincidence both Kernal and Adamant both use the misspelling "peado"?

Auggie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2017 at 4:01pm:

You know his election is a reflection on America's political system. Trump would never have been the Head of Government in a Westminster system.

True. We dont vote for PM, the parliament does and if the US congress had to vote for President then Trump would never even get close.

mothra wrote on Mar 1^st, 2017 at 4:34pm:

Any coincidence both Kernal and Adamant both use the misspelling "peado"?

Lisa and her socks.

https://www.davidhenderson.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/sockpullets.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2017 at 3:48pm:

kemal wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 10:07pm: P/S ever called Trump a peado pecca? Nope. Have you? http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/trumpvid-750x400.jpg

That's true, Greggery, but I guess we'll never know. Let's err on the side of caution.

Mr Trump could be a paedophile.

Each to their own.

Big Donger wrote on Mar 1^st, 2017 at 7:42pm:

That's true, Greggery, but I guess we'll never know. Let's err on the side of caution. Mr Trump could be a paedophile. Each to their own.

True.

Let's not forget that for nearly 8 years Obama was a born Nigerian.... Until he wasn't.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 7:47am:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 7:42pm: That's true, Greggery, but I guess we'll never know. Let's err on the side of caution. Mr Trump could be a paedophile. Each to their own. True. Let's not forget that for nearly 8 years Obama was a born Nigerian.... Until he wasn't.

Because he is a Kenyan.

But for sophisticated, nuanced intellectuels like you, what does it matter.

Frank wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 8:08am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 7:47am: Big Donger wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 7:42pm: That's true, Greggery, but I guess we'll never know. Let's err on the side of caution. Mr Trump could be a paedophile. Each to their own. True. Let's not forget that for nearly 8 years Obama was a born Nigerian.... Until he wasn't. Because he is a Kenyan. But for sophisticated, nuanced intellectuels like you, what does it matter.

Because he is an American...

But for sophistic... Aww, you know where its going!

Frank wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 8:08am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 7:47am: Big Donger wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 7:42pm: That's true, Greggery, but I guess we'll never know. Let's err on the side of caution. Mr Trump could be a paedophile. Each to their own. True. Let's not forget that for nearly 8 years Obama was a born Nigerian.... Until he wasn't. Because he is a Kenyan. But for sophisticated, nuanced intellectuels like you, what does it matter.

Oh, it matters, dear boy.

Where are you from, by the way? You haven't said.

Big Donger wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 11:39am:

Frank wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:08am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 7:47am: Big Donger wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 7:42pm: That's true, Greggery, but I guess we'll never know. Let's err on the side of caution. Mr Trump could be a paedophile. Each to their own. True. Let's not forget that for nearly 8 years Obama was a born Nigerian.... Until he wasn't. Because he is a Kenyan. But for sophisticated, nuanced intellectuels like you, what does it matter. Oh, it matters, dear boy. Where are you from, by the way? You haven't said.

Nigeria.
No, wait, Kenya.
No, wait, America.

Frank wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 9:12pm:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:39am: Frank wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:08am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 7:47am: Big Donger wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 7:42pm: That's true, Greggery, but I guess we'll never know. Let's err on the side of caution. Mr Trump could be a paedophile. Each to their own. True. Let's not forget that for nearly 8 years Obama was a born Nigerian.... Until he wasn't. Because he is a Kenyan. But for sophisticated, nuanced intellectuels like you, what does it matter. Oh, it matters, dear boy. Where are you from, by the way? You haven't said. Nigeria. No, wait, Kenya. No, wait, America.

Not saying, eh?

We understand.

Herbie, Bogie, Sprint, Mechanic, your good self. Uncanny, isn't it?

We grew here, you flew here.

And you all want a little piece of home.

Big Donger wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 10:03pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:12pm: Big Donger wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:39am: Frank wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:08am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 7:47am: Big Donger wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 7:42pm: That's true, Greggery, but I guess we'll never know. Let's err on the side of caution. Mr Trump could be a paedophile. Each to their own. True. Let's not forget that for nearly 8 years Obama was a born Nigerian.... Until he wasn't. Because he is a Kenyan. But for sophisticated, nuanced intellectuels like you, what does it matter. Oh, it matters, dear boy. Where are you from, by the way? You haven't said. Nigeria. No, wait, Kenya. No, wait, America. Not saying, eh?

Just told you.

Frank wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 6:23am:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 10:03pm: Frank wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:12pm: Big Donger wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:39am: Frank wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:08am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 7:47am: Big Donger wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 7:42pm: That's true, Greggery, but I guess we'll never know. Let's err on the side of caution. Mr Trump could be a paedophile. Each to their own. True. Let's not forget that for nearly 8 years Obama was a born Nigerian.... Until he wasn't. Because he is a Kenyan. But for sophisticated, nuanced intellectuels like you, what does it matter. Oh, it matters, dear boy. Where are you from, by the way? You haven't said. Nigeria. No, wait, Kenya. No, wait, America. Not saying, eh? Just told you.

I see. So you're a dirty Niger, and I'm a Pakistani Bastard.

But I'm curious. Are you a Lutheran Niger?

Big Donger wrote on Mar 1^st, 2017 at 7:42pm:

[quote http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/trumpvid-750x400.jpg

That's true, Greggery, but I guess we'll never know. Let's err on the side of caution.

Mr Trump could be a paedophile.

Each to their own. [/quote]

No, Karnal.  Saying ' each to their own '  is actually not helpful in this discussion.

Big Donger wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 8:16am:

Frank wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 6:23am: Big Donger wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 10:03pm: Frank wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:12pm: Big Donger wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:39am: Frank wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:08am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 7:47am: Big Donger wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 7:42pm: That's true, Greggery, but I guess we'll never know. Let's err on the side of caution. Mr Trump could be a paedophile. Each to their own. True. Let's not forget that for nearly 8 years Obama was a born Nigerian.... Until he wasn't. Because he is a Kenyan. But for sophisticated, nuanced intellectuels like you, what does it matter. Oh, it matters, dear boy. Where are you from, by the way? You haven't said. Nigeria. No, wait, Kenya. No, wait, America. Not saying, eh? Just told you. I see. So you're a dirty Niger, and I'm a Pakistani Bastard. But I'm curious. Are you a Lutheran Niger?

Huh? Even you don't know what you are talking about.

(Not unusual for posters here.)

This is becoming more and more obvious. The creep can't form a government, he is A LAUGHING STOCK.

Frank wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 1:36am:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 8:16am: Frank wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 6:23am: Big Donger wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 10:03pm: Frank wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:12pm: Big Donger wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:39am: Frank wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:08am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 7:47am: Big Donger wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 7:42pm: That's true, Greggery, but I guess we'll never know. Let's err on the side of caution. Mr Trump could be a paedophile. Each to their own. True. Let's not forget that for nearly 8 years Obama was a born Nigerian.... Until he wasn't. Because he is a Kenyan. But for sophisticated, nuanced intellectuels like you, what does it matter. Oh, it matters, dear boy. Where are you from, by the way? You haven't said. Nigeria. No, wait, Kenya. No, wait, America. Not saying, eh? Just told you. I see. So you're a dirty Niger, and I'm a Pakistani Bastard. But I'm curious. Are you a Lutheran Niger? Huh? Even you don't know what you are talking about. (Not unusual for posters here.)

Don't want to say, eh?

We understand. You have a most Sore End, no?

Is Frank really Soren.?

Emma wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 3:13am:

Is Frank really Soren.?

Now now, dear, no one has ever made such an accusation here. Most unfair. Soren was a hysterical old bin-straightener.

Frank's more of a closeted chair-sniffer.

Chalk and cheese, innit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_ZMNpPv_sI

Are SJWs Mind Control Victims?

it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 1:25pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_ZMNpPv_sI Are SJWs Mind Control Victims?

now you want to talk about mind-control??  You already have the reputation of a mental-patient and now you offer this???

Here is a recent photo of you:

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So THAT is what he actually looks like.  ;D

Fake News?  NO !

The creep is seriously deficient of grey matter, and will probably end up looking JUST LIKE THAT.!!! :(

Emma wrote on Mar 9^th, 2017 at 2:56am:

This is becoming more and more obvious. The creep can't form a government, he is A LAUGHING STOCK.

He is not a creep.
He has formed a government.
No one of significance is laughing at Donald J. Trump.

Psychiatrists are usually the craziest ones in the room