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General Discussion >> America >> New AG - no separation of church & state http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1486715526 Message started by Raven on Feb 10th, 2017 at 6:32pm |
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Title: New AG - no separation of church & state Post by Raven on Feb 10th, 2017 at 6:32pm
New Attorney General Jeff Sessions rejects the separation of church and state and claims secularists are unfit for government service.
The AG has argued in the past that the separation of church and state is an “extra-constitutional doctrine” and “a recent thing that is unhistorical and unconstitutional.” He has also argued that the Establishment Clause of the Constitution has been overinterpreted and the Free Exercise Clause has been ignored. The result, he said, is the unnecessary prohibition of expressions of faith in public spaces. "The Constitution says we shall not establish a religion — Congress shall not establish a religion. It doesn’t say states couldn’t establish a religion." Anyone who claims the separation of church and state is an “extra-constitutional doctrine” and “a recent thing that is unhistorical and unconstitutional” is simply unqualified to serve as the attorney general of the United States. The fact that Sessions also denigrates and demeans secular Americans only underlines the point that the man is not qualified to serve. |
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Title: Re: New AG - no separation of church & state Post by longweekend58 on Feb 11th, 2017 at 7:58am Raven wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 6:32pm:
it seems odd but also rather pedantic and theoretical. The states are not planning on establishing a religion anyhow nor have they ever sought to do so. But the fact that Trump appointed him is enough of a reason to be wary of him. He is just another 'from the swamp'. |
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Title: Re: New AG - no separation of church & state Post by NorthOfNorth on Feb 11th, 2017 at 11:39am
The slow creep of church and state union in the US has a much longer history than 'last week'...
Read the history of the motto of the US - 'In God We Trust' and the pledge of allegiance - 'One nation under god'... |
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Title: Re: New AG - no separation of church & state Post by longweekend58 on Feb 11th, 2017 at 1:11pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 11:39am:
its hardly a Church State. Sometimes people need to remember that 'separation of Church and state' actually means. |
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Title: Re: New AG - no separation of church & state Post by NorthOfNorth on Feb 11th, 2017 at 2:46pm longweekend58 wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 1:11pm:
True, the US does not have an established church like the UK, but any mention of god associated with the establishment of the American Republic is not what the founding fathers intended. Many of them were either atheists or "lukewarm" deists. |
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Title: Re: New AG - no separation of church & state Post by longweekend58 on Feb 11th, 2017 at 4:25pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 2:46pm:
the UK doesnt have an established church either. The separation of church and state is not a hands-off arrangement but rather, that the state makes laws and enforces them, not the church. It means neither more nor less than that. Some clowns seem to think that this disqualifies christians from positions of office or of church leaders lobbying for changes they want. It is simply about having a secular government, not a secular country. |
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Title: Re: New AG - no separation of church & state Post by NorthOfNorth on Feb 11th, 2017 at 6:03pm longweekend58 wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 4:25pm:
The Queen as the UK"s head of state is the supreme governor of the Church of England making the c of e the established church and Christianity as the state religion... it explains why one of the sovereign's titles is fidei defensor - defender of the faith. |
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Title: Re: New AG - no separation of church & state Post by longweekend58 on Feb 11th, 2017 at 6:38pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 6:03pm:
The Queen doesnt make law. Nothing about the church makes laws. |
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