They destroy ancient monuments, they hate imagery, they condemn people who play or listen to music. Islam is seriously phuqued up. These people have no claim to multiculturalism.

If you haven't got an answer, don't bother dishing up another load of "that is not real Islam."

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38912958

You're an idiot.

https://islamicmuseum.org.au/exhibitions/permanent-galleries/islamic-art/

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Some Muslims dislike music and art.  Nor all Muslims do.  Islamic art can often be quite beautiful.  Islamic music exists from West Africa to the Philippines.  I have a 12 CD set if you'd like to listen to it, Issuevoter?

Just as some Christians dislike religious art and religious music, so do some Muslims.  Some extremist Muslims carry it further into hatred of all forms of Muslc and all forms of Art.  Not all Muslims do.   You are attempting to blacken all Muslims with the actions of a tiny minority amongst their numbers...  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Yay, Boongs have welfare cards in Ceduna.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:25pm:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Some Muslims dislike music and art.  Nor all Muslims do.  Islamic art can often be quite beautiful.  Islamic music exists from West Africa to the Philippines.  I have a 12 CD set if you'd like to listen to it, Issuevoter? Just as some Christians dislike religious art and religious music, so do some Muslims.  Some extremist Muslims carry it further into hatred of all forms of Muslc and all forms of Art.  Not all Muslims do.   You are attempting to blacken all Muslims with the actions of a tiny minority amongst their numbers...  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

People who pay lip service to Islam, are not Muzlims.

issuevoter wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:25pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Some Muslims dislike music and art.  Nor all Muslims do.  Islamic art can often be quite beautiful.  Islamic music exists from West Africa to the Philippines.  I have a 12 CD set if you'd like to listen to it, Issuevoter? Just as some Christians dislike religious art and religious music, so do some Muslims.  Some extremist Muslims carry it further into hatred of all forms of Muslc and all forms of Art.  Not all Muslims do.   You are attempting to blacken all Muslims with the actions of a tiny minority amongst their numbers...  Tsk, tsk.   ::) People who pay lip service to Islam, are not Muzlims.

What about Christians who only pay lip service to Christianity?

People are what they believe they are, Issuevoter.  They don't come to you to tell them how they should behave.  Muslims believe in the pillars of their religion.  QED.   ::)

issuevoter wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:25pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Some Muslims dislike music and art.  Nor all Muslims do.  Islamic art can often be quite beautiful.  Islamic music exists from West Africa to the Philippines.  I have a 12 CD set if you'd like to listen to it, Issuevoter? Just as some Christians dislike religious art and religious music, so do some Muslims.  Some extremist Muslims carry it further into hatred of all forms of Muslc and all forms of Art.  Not all Muslims do.   You are attempting to blacken all Muslims with the actions of a tiny minority amongst their numbers...  Tsk, tsk.   ::) People who pay lip service to Islam, are not Muzlims.

Now the idiot thinks he can determine who is and who isn't a Muslim.

Idiot.

I don't suppose anyone should suspect your sympathy with Islam, after all, you are a Doctor of Devinity. La di da! haven't you got anything better than relativism?

Yeah, Christians hate music. https://www.christianfestivalassociation.com/

issuevoter wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:46pm:

I don't suppose anyone should suspect your sympathy with Islam, after all, you are a Doctor of Devinity. La di da! haven't you got anything better than relativism? Yeah, Christians hate music. https://www.christianfestivalassociation.com/

Do a google search, Issuevoter, you might be surprised to find how many Christians hate music...   ::)

Geometric patterns.
No human or animal forms. 

What kind of a shitttt religion dictates you can't even make beautiful art depicting a person.

Islam snuffs the beauty out of everything

issuevoter wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:46pm:

I don't suppose anyone should suspect your sympathy with Islam, after all, you are a Doctor of Devinity. La di da! haven't you got anything better than relativism? Yeah, Christians hate music. https://www.christianfestivalassociation.com/

You're a fvkking idiot.

You know that, don't you?

Gordon wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:59pm:

Geometric patterns. No human or animal forms.  What kind of a shitttt religion dictates you can't even make beautiful art depicting a person. Islam snuffs the beauty out of everything

What a load of bullshit, Gordon.

Islamic art allows the depiction of human figures.  Like this one:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/10/55/4f/10554fce6a27e53cc92bc62c8d7b4327.jpg

Or this one:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/86/c0/3f/86c03f533308ba7adcc48e626f95b594.jpg

Or this one:

https://8ch.pl/islam/src/1463515422640-1.jpg

Or this one:

http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/art-literature/images/Achaemenid%20Miniature.jpg

Or this one:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/07/c1/6a/07c16a21a91961ce98b2577486e38113.jpg

There are literally millions of pieces of Islamic art which all depict human figures.   ::) ::)

Google;
death at immoral picnic in the park, iraq


n.b.
That atrocity, in a public place, occurred AFTER Bush removed that tyrant Saddam Hussein,
and AFTER Bush 'liberated' all Iraqis.

/sarc off


i.e.
What Bush accomplished by removing the regime of Saddam Hussein,        was to liberate Iraqi moslems,            so as to enable/empower moslems, in Iraq, to do what moslems seek to do everywhere.

Be good moslems.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 10:55pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:59pm: Geometric patterns. No human or animal forms.  What kind of a shitttt religion dictates you can't even make beautiful art depicting a person. Islam snuffs the beauty out of everything What a load of bullshit, Gordon. Islamic art allows the depiction of human figures.  Like this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/10/55/4f/10554fce6a27e53cc92bc62c8d7b4327.jpg Or this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/86/c0/3f/86c03f533308ba7adcc48e626f95b594.jpg Or this one: https://8ch.pl/islam/src/1463515422640-1.jpg Or this one: http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/art-literature/images/Achaemenid%20Miniature.jpg Or this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/07/c1/6a/07c16a21a91961ce98b2577486e38113.jpg There are literally millions of pieces of Islamic art which all depict human figures.   ::) ::)

Anything from the 20th or 21st centuries?

rhino wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 11:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 10:55pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:59pm: Geometric patterns. No human or animal forms.  What kind of a shitttt religion dictates you can't even make beautiful art depicting a person. Islam snuffs the beauty out of everything What a load of bullshit, Gordon. Islamic art allows the depiction of human figures.  Like this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/10/55/4f/10554fce6a27e53cc92bc62c8d7b4327.jpg Or this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/86/c0/3f/86c03f533308ba7adcc48e626f95b594.jpg Or this one: https://8ch.pl/islam/src/1463515422640-1.jpg Or this one: http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/art-literature/images/Achaemenid%20Miniature.jpg Or this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/07/c1/6a/07c16a21a91961ce98b2577486e38113.jpg There are literally millions of pieces of Islamic art which all depict human figures.   ::) ::) Anything from the 20th or 21st centuries?

The last two, Rhino...   ::)

Why was this done in the name of Islam?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2001.jpg

Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 10:55pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:59pm: Geometric patterns. No human or animal forms.  What kind of a shitttt religion dictates you can't even make beautiful art depicting a person. Islam snuffs the beauty out of everything What a load of bullshit, Gordon. Islamic art allows the depiction of human figures.  Like this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/10/55/4f/10554fce6a27e53cc92bc62c8d7b4327.jpg Or this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/86/c0/3f/86c03f533308ba7adcc48e626f95b594.jpg Or this one: https://8ch.pl/islam/src/1463515422640-1.jpg Or this one: http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/art-literature/images/Achaemenid%20Miniature.jpg Or this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/07/c1/6a/07c16a21a91961ce98b2577486e38113.jpg There are literally millions of pieces of Islamic art which all depict human figures.   ::) ::)

It's not abundant like western art and you know it.

Setanta wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:02am:

Why was this done in the name of Islam? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2001.jpg Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it.

Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta.   Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers?  All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done.   ::)

Gordon wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 5:42am:

It's not abundant like western art and you know it.

I think you need to figure that out yourself, Gordon.  I know that when I've visited northern India, Islamic figurative art has been "abundant".   I know when I've visited Pakistan, Islamic figurative art  has been "abundant".   It all depends on where you choose to look.   Islam is a widely divergent belief system, stretching from West Africa to the Philippines.   It has a massive social base with cultures that are diverse in their beliefs and their depictions of art and music.   You focus exclusively on the narrow mindset of conservative, Central/South West Asian Muslims, yet as the pictures I have provided, you have diversity there as well.   Who cares what an individual Muslim may or may not believe in or observe?   You're trying to force everybody into the same straitjacket that you dwell in.   Silly.  Next you'll be proposing a House Committee on UnAustralian Activities, "are you or have you ever been a Muslim?"   Yeah, real smart that...   ::) ::)

issuevoter wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:25pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Some Muslims dislike music and art.  Nor all Muslims do.  Islamic art can often be quite beautiful.  Islamic music exists from West Africa to the Philippines.  I have a 12 CD set if you'd like to listen to it, Issuevoter? Just as some Christians dislike religious art and religious music, so do some Muslims.  Some extremist Muslims carry it further into hatred of all forms of Muslc and all forms of Art.  Not all Muslims do.   You are attempting to blacken all Muslims with the actions of a tiny minority amongst their numbers...  Tsk, tsk.   ::) People who pay lip service to Islam, are not Muzlims.

Perhaps you should listen to some of Yusuf Islam (formerly Cat Stevens) or Maheer Zain - two muslims who are about as religious as you can get, but make music for a living. Beautiful music about Islam and their faith - I recommend it.

I would put the number of muslims who think music is forbidden in the minority. Perhaps one day you will understand that muslims are not one big monolith with a hive mind where anyone who thinks outside that hive mind must be phony "lip service" muslims.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 1:02am: Why was this done in the name of Islam? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2001.jpg Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it. Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta.   Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers?  All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done.   ::)

Because, Brian, for the last 20 years Islam has been becoming increasingly conservation and fundamentalist.

When all these other religions you like to give false equivalence to and start blowing up statues, wrecking ancient monuments, burning ancient libraries, we'll criticism them equally.

In 2017, Islam is a big steaming turd of a religion.

Gordon wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 3:57pm: Setanta wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 1:02am: Why was this done in the name of Islam? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2001.jpg Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it. Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta.   Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers?  All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done.   ::) Because, Brian, for the last 20 years Islam has been becoming increasingly conservation and fundamentalist.

Some Muslims have.  Most Muslims have not.  Why continually focus on what a minority are doing and acting as if they are a majority?  Could it be, because it suits your Islamophobic viewpoint?  Doesn't matter how often your error is pointed out, you refuse to acknowledge it or accept that you're wrong.  Where does that leave you, hey?  Out on a limb, sawing it off while you're sitting on it.   ::)


Quote:

When all these other religions you like to give false equivalence to and start blowing up statues, wrecking ancient monuments, burning ancient libraries, we'll criticism them equally. In 2017, Islam is a big steaming turd of a religion.

In your opinion but we know your opinion is mistaken, Gordon.  Why do you hate Muslims and their religion so much?  Did one scare you as a child?  Have you ever even met a modern Muslim and known it?  I wonder, I really do.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 1:02am: Why was this done in the name of Islam? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2001.jpg Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it. Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta.   Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers?  All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done.   ::)

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Honestly bwian you are such a demented cyclops at times.
What these people who form part of the caliphate are doing is an utter disgrace.  No amount of deluded bigotry from you will change those facts either. :D

Grendel wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 3:57pm: Setanta wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 1:02am: Why was this done in the name of Islam? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2001.jpg Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it. Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta.   Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers?  All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done.   ::) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Honestly bwian you are such a demented cyclops at times. What these people who form part of the caliphate are doing is an utter disgrace.  No amount of deluded bigotry from you will change those facts either. :D

I actually don't disagree with you, Geoff.  I agree what the minority of Muslims who are extremists who make up the Caliphate (who it must be noted did not blow up the Bamiyan Buddhas) are doing is terrible.   However, unlike Gordon and I suspect you, I recognise them as being exactly that - a minority.   A minority which the majority of Muslims are trying to eliminate at the moment in Iraq and in Syria.   Something which seems to pass you by.  I wonder why?  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Arabic singing is beautiful.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 11:01pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 7:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 3:57pm: Setanta wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 1:02am: Why was this done in the name of Islam? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2001.jpg Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it. Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta.   Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers?  All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done.   ::) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Honestly bwian you are such a demented cyclops at times. What these people who form part of the caliphate are doing is an utter disgrace.  No amount of deluded bigotry from you will change those facts either. :D I actually don't disagree with you, Geoff.  I agree what the minority of Muslims who are extremists who make up the Caliphate (who it must be noted did not blow up the Bamiyan Buddhas) are doing is terrible.   However, unlike Gordon and I suspect you, I recognise them as being exactly that - a minority.   A minority which the majority of Muslims are trying to eliminate at the moment in Iraq and in Syria.   Something which seems to pass you by.  I wonder why?  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

But is it the minority or the majority of Muslims that are Islamically correct?

Is Islam so toxic that many Muslims, the majority,  respond by ignoring large parts of it? Is pure Islam lived out by the puritan minority, rather than the backsliding majority?

I certainly think so.

The evidence point that way, that's for sure.



Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
They love death, we love life.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 1:02am: Why was this done in the name of Islam? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2001.jpg Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it. Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta.   Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers?  All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done.   ::)

Do we decry Catholicism for the witch trials, the pagan pogroms? It's stance on issues today, kiddy fiddling, women's rights? We do and should. Using religion to justify barbarity? Nope. Religion is f'ed up and Islam is a religion, no sane person should defend it. I will defend the right of people to have it as a religion but defending the religion as something to be held above is beyond the pale.

You can stick up for Muslims, as people, without condoning what they hold as their religion. Islam sucks pig nuts.

Setanta wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 12:24am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 3:57pm: Setanta wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 1:02am: Why was this done in the name of Islam? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2001.jpg Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it. Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta.   Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers?  All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done.   ::) Do we decry Catholicism for the witch trials, the pagan pogroms? It's stance on issues today, kiddy fiddling, women's rights? We do and should. Using religion to justify barbarity? Nope. Religion is f'ed up and Islam is a religion, no sane person should defend it. I will defend the right of people to have it as a religion but defending the religion as something to be held above is beyond the pale. You can stick up for Muslims, as people, without condoning what they hold as their religion. Islam sucks pig nuts.

True.  Indeed, all I have ever done is defend the right of Muslims to exercise their right to freedom of speech, association and expression, Setanta.  Something that seems to pass the Islamophobes right by in their efforts to attack me for defending Muslims.   Islam is in many ways just as bad if not worse than any other religion.   I won't argue with that, however many Muslims I know are good people, they believe in their religion, just as many Christians are good people who believe in their religion.   I don't condemn all believers of any religion, there are good and there are bad.   The problem is the Islamophobes never differentiate, they hate all Muslims.   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Frank wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 11:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 11:01pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 7:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 3:57pm: Setanta wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 1:02am: Why was this done in the name of Islam? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2001.jpg Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it. Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta.   Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers?  All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done.   ::) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Honestly bwian you are such a demented cyclops at times. What these people who form part of the caliphate are doing is an utter disgrace.  No amount of deluded bigotry from you will change those facts either. :D I actually don't disagree with you, Geoff.  I agree what the minority of Muslims who are extremists who make up the Caliphate (who it must be noted did not blow up the Bamiyan Buddhas) are doing is terrible.   However, unlike Gordon and I suspect you, I recognise them as being exactly that - a minority.   A minority which the majority of Muslims are trying to eliminate at the moment in Iraq and in Syria.   Something which seems to pass you by.  I wonder why?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) But is it the minority or the majority of Muslims that are Islamically correct?

According to whom?  Them?  All zealots believe they are "religiously correct", Soren.  All you're doing is using their beliefs to feed your Islamophobia.  Tsk. tsk.   ::) ::)

issuevoter wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:19pm:

They destroy ancient monuments, they hate imagery, they condemn people who play or listen to music. Islam is seriously phuqued up. These people have no claim to multiculturalism. If you haven't got an answer, don't bother dishing up another load of "that is not real Islam." http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38912958

I think it is because it does not take much to compete with Islam.

Muhammed made the destruction of pagan shrines part of Islam. I'm pretty sure it bans humour also, and pictures of Muhammed. Not sure about music.

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 6:49am:

Not sure about music.

Just go with the flow FD - safer to assume the worst - general rule of thumb, if its bad, its in.

Just like how you state as fact that government school funds went to terrorists with no shred of evidence. We don't really need actual facts when judging Islam. I think we now call them "alternative facts". Like for example those horrific Islamic massacres in Bowling Green and Atlanta.

I subscribe to Picasso's belief that “Art is the lie that reveals the truth.” That has to piss-off religious fanatics for a start.

Reveal the truth without some sanctimonious and pious twaddle that reinforces dogma? Paint a portrait of the human face?

Mona Lisa, how indecent! If you are not going to cover your face, at least cover your head, you harlot!

Music and dance will lead to the devil's play ground.

Destroy all evidence of cultures other than Islam, especially statues; it is all idolatry.

All bow to Mecca. There must be no distraction in art or music. Repeat the Prophets words until your eyes glaze over. Then you will be able to do the work of Allah.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 11:01pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 7:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 3:57pm: Setanta wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 1:02am: Why was this done in the name of Islam? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2001.jpg Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it. Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta.   Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers?  All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done.   ::) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Honestly bwian you are such a demented cyclops at times. What these people who form part of the caliphate are doing is an utter disgrace.  No amount of deluded bigotry from you will change those facts either. :D I actually don't disagree with you, Geoff.  I agree what the minority of Muslims who are extremists who make up the Caliphate (who it must be noted did not blow up the Bamiyan Buddhas) are doing is terrible.   However, unlike Gordon and I suspect you, I recognise them as being exactly that - a minority.   A minority which the majority of Muslims are trying to eliminate at the moment in Iraq and in Syria.   Something which seems to pass you by.  I wonder why?  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

LOL....  where is the GOOSE emoticon.
Honestly bwian if you agree then why insult us with your arrogance?
Tsk tsk.... :D :D :D
How many Muslims did it take to kill 1000s in 9/11?
How many Muslims are part of or supporting ISIS and the Caliphate?
What religion does ISIS claim to follow?
What are Muslims told to do until they reach dominance within a population?
https://duaat.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/how-islam-will-dominate-the-world/
I shan't bother trying logic or other facts with you...  because plainly we already all know you ignore that which you cannot handle. ::)
 

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 6:49am:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:19pm: They destroy ancient monuments, they hate imagery, they condemn people who play or listen to music. Islam is seriously phuqued up. These people have no claim to multiculturalism. If you haven't got an answer, don't bother dishing up another load of "that is not real Islam." http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38912958 I think it is because it does not take much to compete with Islam. Muhammed made the destruction of pagan shrines part of Islam. I'm pretty sure it bans humour also, and pictures of Muhammed. Not sure about music.

All religions destroy the shrines of competitors, FD.   Look at Christianity and it's efforts in that department...  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 11:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 11:01pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 7:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 3:57pm: Setanta wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 1:02am: Why was this done in the name of Islam? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2001.jpg Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it. Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta.   Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers?  All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done.   ::) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Honestly bwian you are such a demented cyclops at times. What these people who form part of the caliphate are doing is an utter disgrace.  No amount of deluded bigotry from you will change those facts either. :D I actually don't disagree with you, Geoff.  I agree what the minority of Muslims who are extremists who make up the Caliphate (who it must be noted did not blow up the Bamiyan Buddhas) are doing is terrible.   However, unlike Gordon and I suspect you, I recognise them as being exactly that - a minority.   A minority which the majority of Muslims are trying to eliminate at the moment in Iraq and in Syria.   Something which seems to pass you by.  I wonder why?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) LOL....  where the GOOSE emoticon. Honestly bwian if you agree then why insult us with your arrogance? Tsk tsk.... :D :D :D How many Muslims did it take to kill 1000s in 9/11? How many Muslims are part of or supporting ISIS and the Caliphate? What religion does ISIS claim to follow? What are Muslims told to do until they reach dominance within a population? https://duaat.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/how-islam-will-dominate-the-world/ I shan't bother trying logic or other facts with you...  because plainly we already all know you ignore that which you cannot handle. ::)

For someone who champions "logic" why are you so poor at it, Geoff?

It doesn't matter how many people kill how many other people, it is whether or not the perpetrators represent the views of the majority of their movement.   Did the Muslims who perpetrated 11 September 2001 or any other Terrorist act represent the views of the majority of Muslims?  Not by a long shot!   The overwhelming majority of Muslims were just as appalled by their actions as were the non-Muslims.   Did we read about their protests, their expressions of condolences?  No, we read about them "dancing in the streets" (without of course, any photos, something you may remember I have challenged you for, before in other forums), we read about them "wishing all unbelievers dead" and so on.

You and your fellow Islamophobes wonder about how Muslims "can't control their fellow Muslims".  I wonder where were your voices during "the troubles" in Ireland?  Where were your cries for Catholics to control the PIRA, Protestants to control their equivalents amongst their ranks?   You were silent, weren't you, Geoff.   I wonder why?   Mmmm?   ::)

When you learn to differentiate between the minority and the majority, between the extremists, the Islamists and the majority conformists, then we might be able to discuss these matters sensibly.  However, today, 15 years after 11 September 2001, we are still arguing about your loose language, your broad definitions, your Islamophobic hatred.   It makes me wonder why you hate Muslims so much, Geoff.   Did one frighten you as a baby or something?  How many Muslims do you even know, I wonder?   Well?   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 1:07am:

Frank wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 11:49pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 11:01pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 7:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 3:57pm: Setanta wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 1:02am: Why was this done in the name of Islam? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2001.jpg Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it. Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta.   Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers?  All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done.   ::) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Honestly bwian you are such a demented cyclops at times. What these people who form part of the caliphate are doing is an utter disgrace.  No amount of deluded bigotry from you will change those facts either. :D I actually don't disagree with you, Geoff.  I agree what the minority of Muslims who are extremists who make up the Caliphate (who it must be noted did not blow up the Bamiyan Buddhas) are doing is terrible.   However, unlike Gordon and I suspect you, I recognise them as being exactly that - a minority.   A minority which the majority of Muslims are trying to eliminate at the moment in Iraq and in Syria.   Something which seems to pass you by.  I wonder why?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) But is it the minority or the majority of Muslims that are Islamically correct? According to whom?  Them?  All zealots believe they are "religiously correct", Soren.  All you're doing is using their beliefs to feed your Islamophobia.  Tsk. tsk.   ::) ::)

Looks like there is no difference between Muslims and anyone else, Brian: every time someone point out that Islamic doctrine is different to Western morals and customs and that those doctrines motivate Muslim actions you say it doesn't matter, most Muslims do not believe in those Islamic doctrines.

But what's the point of being Muslim then? What ARE the Islamic doctrines that the 'vast majority' of Muslims DO beleive and which makes them different to non-Muslim?

Explain, if you can.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:41pm:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:32pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:25pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Some Muslims dislike music and art.  Nor all Muslims do.  Islamic art can often be quite beautiful.  Islamic music exists from West Africa to the Philippines.  I have a 12 CD set if you'd like to listen to it, Issuevoter? Just as some Christians dislike religious art and religious music, so do some Muslims.  Some extremist Muslims carry it further into hatred of all forms of Muslc and all forms of Art.  Not all Muslims do.   You are attempting to blacken all Muslims with the actions of a tiny minority amongst their numbers...  Tsk, tsk.   ::) People who pay lip service to Islam, are not Muzlims. What about Christians who only pay lip service to Christianity?

Christians are allowed to pay lip service to their religion that is probably the biggest difference between Christianity and Islam.

Muslims say the Quran is Allah's words they riot like butthurt Neanderthals over this silly old book.

Allah says muslims cannot pick and choose which parts of Islamic scripture they believe in right here-  quran.com/2:85

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 4:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:41pm: issuevoter wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:32pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:25pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Some Muslims dislike music and art.  Nor all Muslims do.  Islamic art can often be quite beautiful.  Islamic music exists from West Africa to the Philippines.  I have a 12 CD set if you'd like to listen to it, Issuevoter? Just as some Christians dislike religious art and religious music, so do some Muslims.  Some extremist Muslims carry it further into hatred of all forms of Muslc and all forms of Art.  Not all Muslims do.   You are attempting to blacken all Muslims with the actions of a tiny minority amongst their numbers...  Tsk, tsk.   ::) People who pay lip service to Islam, are not Muzlims. What about Christians who only pay lip service to Christianity? Christians are allowed to pay lip service to their religion that is probably the biggest difference between Christianity and Islam. Muslims say the Quran is Allah's words they riot like butthurt Neanderthals over this silly old book. Allah says muslims cannot pick and choose which parts of Islamic scripture they believe in right here-  quran.com/2:85

You mean like how some Christians believe the King James version of The Bible is uniquely "the word of God" and is immutable and must be obeyed, Baron?  Of course, there are other Christians who believe in the Latin version of The Bible and some who believe in the Greek version of The Bible and some who believe in the Aramic version of The Bible...    ::)

As for your verse from the Q'ran, it is talking about people who are helping non-believers persecute believers, so guess which side Allah is going to choose?   How does it compare to Qur'an 109:1-6?   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 11:12am: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 11:01pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 7:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 3:57pm: Setanta wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 1:02am: Why was this done in the name of Islam? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2001.jpg Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it. Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta.   Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers?  All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done.   ::) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Honestly bwian you are such a demented cyclops at times. What these people who form part of the caliphate are doing is an utter disgrace.  No amount of deluded bigotry from you will change those facts either. :D I actually don't disagree with you, Geoff.  I agree what the minority of Muslims who are extremists who make up the Caliphate (who it must be noted did not blow up the Bamiyan Buddhas) are doing is terrible.   However, unlike Gordon and I suspect you, I recognise them as being exactly that - a minority.   A minority which the majority of Muslims are trying to eliminate at the moment in Iraq and in Syria.   Something which seems to pass you by.  I wonder why?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) LOL....  where the GOOSE emoticon. Honestly bwian if you agree then why insult us with your arrogance? Tsk tsk.... :D :D :D How many Muslims did it take to kill 1000s in 9/11? How many Muslims are part of or supporting ISIS and the Caliphate? What religion does ISIS claim to follow? What are Muslims told to do until they reach dominance within a population? https://duaat.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/how-islam-will-dominate-the-world/ I shan't bother trying logic or other facts with you...  because plainly we already all know you ignore that which you cannot handle. ::)   For someone who champions "logic" why are you so poor at it, Geoff? Now now bwian don't surrender to ad hom befre you even try a reply for a change.  Tsk, tsk, tsk, how hypocritical and disingenuous of you. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) It doesn't matter how many people kill how many other people, it is whether or not the perpetrators represent the views of the majority of their movement.   I'm sorry so you are agreeing with me are you?  You said they were a minority and inferred therefore they didn't count...  I shot your argument full of holes... ;D Did the Muslims who perpetrated 11 September 2001 or any other Terrorist act represent the views of the majority of Muslims?  Not by a long shot!   How do you know?  taken a poll have you.  I have first hand evidence of Muslims in Australia celebrating...  oh dear... The overwhelming majority of Muslims were just as appalled by their actions as were the non-Muslims.  You need to post proof bwian...   Did we read about their protests, their expressions of condolences?  No, we read about them "dancing in the streets" (without of course, any photos, something you may remember I have challenged you for, before in other forums), we read about them "wishing all unbelievers dead" and so on.  Yet you have no proof at all to deny these claims have you? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You and your fellow Islamophobes wonder about how Muslims "can't control their fellow Muslims".  Actually bwian that's another lie from you...  I don't fear Islam or Muslims some of my childhood heroes were Muslim bwian.   Unlike you though I will not lie or stay in denial about what is happening in the world. I wonder where were your voices during "the troubles" in Ireland?  Where were your cries for Catholics to control the PIRA, Protestants to control their equivalents amongst their ranks?   You were silent, weren't you, Geoff.   I wonder why?   Because I was young and didn't have the internet perhaps eh Bwian...  Because the Irish weren't terrorising on a global scale?  because if I was on the Net at the time no one was mentioning it bwian...  I don't recall you bringing it up even once till now to me...  how come bwian...  you are such a dishonest hypocrite aren't you.    Hmmmm.  ;D ;D ;D Mmmm?   ::) When you learn to differentiate between the minority and the majority, between the extremists, the Islamists and the majority conformists, then we might be able to discuss these matters sensibly.  I doubt it  YOU seem to have problems debate anything sensibly.

oh and bwian...


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However, today, 15 years after 11 September 2001, we are still arguing about your loose language, your broad definitions, your Islamophobic hatred. No bwian you are making baseless claims about it still...  you are a dishonest hypocrite and frankly I find your behaviour rather pathetic.   It makes me wonder why you hate Muslims so much, Geoff. I don't, that's just a lie you keep trying on...  I have Muslim friends.  Did one frighten you as a baby or something?  How many Muslims do you even know, I wonder?   Well? Well...  you are being an idiot...Sorry bwian you lucked out with your lies once again.  You need to cut the lies hypocrisy and ad hom, you need to start treating people better and cut the crap and dishonesty.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Same old boring excuses, same old boring bullshit, Geoff.  You've been online now for what, at least 15 years?   You have read most of my arguments many times before and you've always denied them.  Tsk, tsk.   Time to grow up and face the facts, you're an Islamophobe and a Xenophobe and a Racist.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 4:03pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 5:42am: It's not abundant like western art and you know it. I think you need to figure that out yourself, Gordon.  I know that when I've visited northern India, Islamic figurative art has been "abundant".   I know when I've visited Pakistan, Islamic figurative art  has been "abundant".   It all depends on where you choose to look.   Islam is a widely divergent belief system, stretching from West Africa to the Philippines.   It has a massive social base with cultures that are diverse in their beliefs and their depictions of art and music.   You focus exclusively on the narrow mindset of conservative, Central/South West Asian Muslims, yet as the pictures I have provided, you have diversity there as well.   Who cares what an individual Muslim may or may not believe in or observe?   You're trying to force everybody into the same straitjacket that you dwell in.   Silly.  Next you'll be proposing a House Committee on UnAustralian Activities, "are you or have you ever been a Muslim?"   Yeah, real smart that...   ::) ::)

Show the world the relevant pages on your passport Dr of divine divinity. Post them on this site, this thread or clear off!

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 12:37am:

rhino wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 11:17pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 10:55pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:59pm: Geometric patterns. No human or animal forms.  What kind of a shitttt religion dictates you can't even make beautiful art depicting a person. Islam snuffs the beauty out of everything What a load of bullshit, Gordon. Islamic art allows the depiction of human figures.  Like this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/10/55/4f/10554fce6a27e53cc92bc62c8d7b4327.jpg Or this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/86/c0/3f/86c03f533308ba7adcc48e626f95b594.jpg Or this one: https://8ch.pl/islam/src/1463515422640-1.jpg Or this one: http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/art-literature/images/Achaemenid%20Miniature.jpg Or this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/07/c1/6a/07c16a21a91961ce98b2577486e38113.jpg There are literally millions of pieces of Islamic art which all depict human figures.   ::) ::) Anything from the 20th or 21st centuries? The last two, Rhino...   ::)

Link please!

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 4:53pm:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Same old boring excuses, same old boring bullshit, Geoff.  You've been online now for what, at least 15 years?   You have read most of my arguments many times before and you've always denied them.  Tsk, tsk.   Time to grow up and face the facts, you're an Islamophobe and a Xenophobe and a Racist.   ::) ::)

Bwian.... you are a pathetic liar and a hypocrite...  everyone know it sunshine.

I'm none of those things and you have no proof to back up your libel do you? :D :D :D :D :D ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)  hence your invisible writing...  did it make you feel better...  see a shrink buddy...  you need help!

kemal wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 5:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 12:37am: rhino wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 11:17pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 10:55pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:59pm: Geometric patterns. No human or animal forms.  What kind of a shitttt religion dictates you can't even make beautiful art depicting a person. Islam snuffs the beauty out of everything What a load of bullshit, Gordon. Islamic art allows the depiction of human figures.  Like this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/10/55/4f/10554fce6a27e53cc92bc62c8d7b4327.jpg Or this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/86/c0/3f/86c03f533308ba7adcc48e626f95b594.jpg Or this one: https://8ch.pl/islam/src/1463515422640-1.jpg Or this one: http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/art-literature/images/Achaemenid%20Miniature.jpg Or this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/07/c1/6a/07c16a21a91961ce98b2577486e38113.jpg There are literally millions of pieces of Islamic art which all depict human figures.   ::) ::) Anything from the 20th or 21st centuries? The last two, Rhino...   ::) Link please!

Kernal, you do realise that the links to the pictures are included in the text you've quoted up above your own entry?   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 2:49pm:

All religions destroy the shrines of competitors,

Some more than others, in fact Islam has perfected the process. Tut Tut smiley face.


Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 1:06am:

The problem is the Islamophobes never differentiate

Being a staunch person who suffers Christianophobia, Buddistophobia and Hinduphobia yourself the xenophobic and bigoted  comments are a real problem. Why don't you want to integrate muslim Brian?

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 5:30pm:

kemal wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 5:24pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 12:37am: rhino wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 11:17pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 10:55pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:59pm: Geometric patterns. No human or animal forms.  What kind of a shitttt religion dictates you can't even make beautiful art depicting a person. Islam snuffs the beauty out of everything What a load of bullshit, Gordon. Islamic art allows the depiction of human figures.  Like this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/10/55/4f/10554fce6a27e53cc92bc62c8d7b4327.jpg Or this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/86/c0/3f/86c03f533308ba7adcc48e626f95b594.jpg Or this one: https://8ch.pl/islam/src/1463515422640-1.jpg Or this one: http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/art-literature/images/Achaemenid%20Miniature.jpg Or this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/07/c1/6a/07c16a21a91961ce98b2577486e38113.jpg There are literally millions of pieces of Islamic art which all depict human figures.   ::) ::) Anything from the 20th or 21st centuries? The last two, Rhino...   ::) Link please! Kernal, you do realise that the links to the pictures are included in the text you've quoted up above your own entry?   ::) ::)

Tsk Tsk Smiley face link to prove they are from this or last century as i have found all the others on Pinterest,all early Islam and Indian!!!. If you are going to lie you have to have a good memory!

Post your Passport too please brian for proof of entry!!!

kemal wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 5:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 5:30pm: kemal wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 5:24pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10th, 2017 at 12:37am: rhino wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 11:17pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 10:55pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:59pm: Geometric patterns. No human or animal forms.  What kind of a shitttt religion dictates you can't even make beautiful art depicting a person. Islam snuffs the beauty out of everything What a load of bullshit, Gordon. Islamic art allows the depiction of human figures.  Like this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/10/55/4f/10554fce6a27e53cc92bc62c8d7b4327.jpg Or this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/86/c0/3f/86c03f533308ba7adcc48e626f95b594.jpg Or this one: https://8ch.pl/islam/src/1463515422640-1.jpg Or this one: http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/art-literature/images/Achaemenid%20Miniature.jpg Or this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/07/c1/6a/07c16a21a91961ce98b2577486e38113.jpg There are literally millions of pieces of Islamic art which all depict human figures.   ::) ::) Anything from the 20th or 21st centuries? The last two, Rhino...   ::) Link please! Kernal, you do realise that the links to the pictures are included in the text you've quoted up above your own entry?   ::) ::) Tsk Tsk Smiley face link to prove they are from this or last century as i have found all the others on Pinterest,all early Islam and Indian!!!. If you are going to lie you have to have a good memory! Post your Passport too please brian for proof of entry!!!

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Do your own research, Kernal.   ::) ::)

Nah...Kemal.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 2:49pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 6:49am: issuevoter wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:19pm: They destroy ancient monuments, they hate imagery, they condemn people who play or listen to music. Islam is seriously phuqued up. These people have no claim to multiculturalism. If you haven't got an answer, don't bother dishing up another load of "that is not real Islam." http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38912958 I think it is because it does not take much to compete with Islam. Muhammed made the destruction of pagan shrines part of Islam. I'm pretty sure it bans humour also, and pictures of Muhammed. Not sure about music. All religions destroy the shrines of competitors, FD.   Look at Christianity and it's efforts in that department...  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Muhammed set out to slaughter pagans and destroy pagan shrines. Jesus said to love your enemy.

Can you tell the difference Brian?

So bwian....  you make claims how about you back them up....  what western nominally Christian society has gone around destroying Islamic artifacts and historical treasures?  hmmmm.  Are you thinking about wars and the crusades like all looney muslims do?
If not you better start posting facts to back up your claims.


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Islamist militants in Iraq and Syria continue their war on the region’s cultural heritage, attacking archaeological sites with bulldozers and explosives. The so-called Islamic State (ISIS) released a video that shocked the world last month by showing the fiery destruction of the Temple of Baalshamin, one of the best-preserved ruins at the Syrian site of Palmyra. Last weekend, explosions were reported at another Palmyra temple, dedicated to the ancient god Baal; a United Nation agency says satellite images show that larger temple has largely been destroyed.

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The group  claims the destruction of ancient sites is religiously motivated; Its militants have targeted well-known ancient sites along with more modern graves and shrines belonging to other Muslim sects, citing idol worship to justify their actions. At the same time, ISIS has used looting as a moneymaking venture to finance military operations.

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ISIS seized the modern town of Palmyra and the ancient ruins nearby were seized in May. The militants initially promised to leave the site’s columns and temples untouched. Those promises were empty: In August, they publicly executed Khaled al-Asaad, a Syrian archaeologist who oversaw excavations at the site for decades, and hung his headless body from a column. Picture of Isis allegedly blowing up part of Palmyra The Temple of Baal Shamin at Palmyra was attacked last month by ISIS fighters using improvised explosives. The group released photos of the destruction, and satellite images have since confirmed the Roman-era building was wiped out. And the group released photos last month of militants rigging the 1,900-year-old Temple of Baalshamin with explosives and blowing it up. It was one of Palmyra’s best-preserved buildings, originally dedicated to a Phoenician storm god. Now it is nothing but rubble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGpp6Yw4Ubs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTDnJPSkNXg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvOofC7zxjY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-G8vptOH04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fwVqC4z7ys

What ISIS is doing to those shrines is pretty much identical to what Muhammed did once he gained enough power.

KSA has an active agenda to destroy early Islamic art and artifacts. Imagine what they think of other religions

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_early_Islamic_heritage_sites_in_Saudi_Arabia

Oh and before I forget again...  I think you will find Muslims don't hate art and music...  well not all of them at least.

http://9be7037176ebed526de6-851b178cb1fa40a3535f993be03d0145.r77.cf2.rackcdn.com/F9E32C09-16E7-43FF-A968-B87A220409E3.jpg

I personally own a "Persian" rug that is beautiful and you could hang it on the wall as a piece of art.
I think you will find many great design elements come from Muslims or were inspired by Muslims, many find there way into architecture and interior design as well.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/35/e4/88/35e488918ff4e7c5aec724bc5399634b.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4c/ac/9e/4cac9e328a5ea24d357f4cd3a95df943.jpg

http://images.paperbackswap.com/l/06/6906/9786130016906.jpg

Even the written word is artistic...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GroVwlAeWzo/TXzt54oXQ7I/AAAAAAAAEn8/pZHnemMJj4kPjNLGylls5Acb1lK01x76gCHM/w1000/CS_27.png

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 6:37pm:

Do your own research,

I did and found your a fraud. You put up the pictures with no link to it's source. Is that because they are not muslim? Tut Tut smiley face

How are we able to ascertain they are not plagiarized.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Taliban-punish-people-for-using-smartphones/articleshow/55809022.cms

Regards their music...  not my cup of tea...  but some aspects of it I find really nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyrS5g7A6Vo

Of course we have classical music that has adopted musical themes from Muslims, even pop songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdmRJEaes6I&list=PLDyCcI2Pa72K9iIMPIJlbBNOuigYlLlss&index=8

kemal wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 12:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 6:37pm: Do your own research, I did and found your a fraud. You put up the pictures with no link to it's source. Is that because they are not muslim? Tut Tut smiley face How are we able to ascertain they are not plagiarized.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 4:28pm:

kemal wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 12:10pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 6:37pm: Do your own research, I did and found your a fraud. You put up the pictures with no link to it's source. Is that because they are not muslim? Tut Tut smiley face How are we able to ascertain they are not plagiarized. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

You have just confirmed you are a fraud, plagerizing others work.

Goodbye Brian,.

Hello Mods!

Adamant wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 5:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 4:28pm: kemal wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 12:10pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 6:37pm: Do your own research, I did and found your a fraud. You put up the pictures with no link to it's source. Is that because they are not muslim? Tut Tut smiley face How are we able to ascertain they are not plagiarized. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg You have just confirmed you are a fraud, plagerizing others work. Goodbye Brian,. Hello Mods!

Did you forget which account you were using, "Kemal"?

Adamant wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 5:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 4:28pm: kemal wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 12:10pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 6:37pm: Do your own research, I did and found your a fraud. You put up the pictures with no link to it's source. Is that because they are not muslim? Tut Tut smiley face How are we able to ascertain they are not plagiarized. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg You have just confirmed you are a fraud, plagerizing others work. Goodbye Brian,. Hello Mods!

How is providing a link - which is acknowledged as a link - to someone else's work, "plagarising" it, Kemal?    It is akin to providing a reference in a scholarly work - something is required in scholarly works.  Indeed, I had to even point out the links to Kenal when he asked about them.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Apart from you using the wrong account to admonish me, there are no rules here, that I am aware of about "plagarism" or anything else, except personal attacks (and they get ignored routinely by some, such as your "Kenal" persona).   "Plagarism" BTW is about claiming someone else's work as your own.  Would you care to show where I have done that?   ::) ::)

Aussie wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 5:17pm:

Adamant wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 5:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 4:28pm: kemal wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 12:10pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 6:37pm: Do your own research, I did and found your a fraud. You put up the pictures with no link to it's source. Is that because they are not muslim? Tut Tut smiley face How are we able to ascertain they are not plagiarized. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg You have just confirmed you are a fraud, plagerizing others work. Goodbye Brian,. Hello Mods! Did you forget which account you were using, "Kemal"?

How have "l" done that?

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 5:43pm:

"Plagarism"

Plagiarism Tut Tut smiley face.

You claimed YOU had been to see these artifacts and stated that they  were muslim. ;D ;D

Now prove it! ;D ;D ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 5:43pm:

Adamant wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 5:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 4:28pm: kemal wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 12:10pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 6:37pm: Do your own research, I did and found your a fraud. You put up the pictures with no link to it's source. Is that because they are not muslim? Tut Tut smiley face How are we able to ascertain they are not plagiarized. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg You have just confirmed you are a fraud, plagerizing others work. Goodbye Brian,. Hello Mods! How is providing a link - which is acknowledged as a link - to someone else's work, "plagarising" it, Kemal?    It is akin to providing a reference in a scholarly work - something is required in scholarly works.  Indeed, I had to even point out the links to Kenal when he asked about them.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) Apart from you using the wrong account to admonish me, there are no rules here, that I am aware of about "plagarism" or anything else, except personal attacks (and they get ignored routinely by some, such as your "Kenal" persona).   "Plagarism" BTW is about claiming someone else's work as your own.  Would you care to show where I have done that?   ::) ::)

You didn't make that smiley face, plagiarist.

Who did? What are you hiding??

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 5:43pm:

Adamant wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 5:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 4:28pm: kemal wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 12:10pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11th, 2017 at 6:37pm: Do your own research, I did and found your a fraud. You put up the pictures with no link to it's source. Is that because they are not muslim? Tut Tut smiley face How are we able to ascertain they are not plagiarized. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg You have just confirmed you are a fraud, plagerizing others work. Goodbye Brian,. Hello Mods! How is providing a link - which is acknowledged as a link - to someone else's work, "plagarising" it, Kemal?    It is akin to providing a reference in a scholarly work - something is required in scholarly works.  Indeed, I had to even point out the links to Kenal when he asked about them.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) Apart from you using the wrong account to admonish me, there are no rules here, that I am aware of about "plagarism" or anything else, except personal attacks (and they get ignored routinely by some, such as your "Kenal" persona).   "Plagarism" BTW is about claiming someone else's work as your own.  Would you care to show where I have done that?   ::) ::)

Come on Tut Tut smiley face put up or shut up!

Or p.ss off.

Permanently, that is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Tut Tut Tsk Tsk Smiley face, (please note how i spell this) Brian Ross has admitted and been proven to plagiarise other peoples work!

MODS please ban him. ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D

Still looking for a mod for Brian's blatant transgression.

PS Brian, you are not on DR now, you have to live up to others rules.

Fess up Brian! The pictures are not muslim are they?

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 10:55pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:59pm: Geometric patterns. No human or animal forms.  What kind of a shitttt religion dictates you can't even make beautiful art depicting a person. Islam snuffs the beauty out of everything What a load of bullshit, Gordon. Islamic art allows the depiction of human figures.  Like this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/10/55/4f/10554fce6a27e53cc92bc62c8d7b4327.jpg Or this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/86/c0/3f/86c03f533308ba7adcc48e626f95b594.jpg Or this one: https://8ch.pl/islam/src/1463515422640-1.jpg Or this one: http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/art-literature/images/Achaemenid%20Miniature.jpg Or this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/07/c1/6a/07c16a21a91961ce98b2577486e38113.jpg There are literally millions of pieces of Islamic art which all depict human figures.   ::) ::)

They are not muslim are they Brian.

kemal wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 5:43pm:  "Plagarism" Plagiarism Tut Tut smiley face. You claimed YOU had been to see these artifacts and stated that they  were muslim. ;D ;D Now prove it! ;D ;D ;D

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

kemal wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 7:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 10:55pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:59pm: Geometric patterns. No human or animal forms.  What kind of a shitttt religion dictates you can't even make beautiful art depicting a person. Islam snuffs the beauty out of everything What a load of bullshit, Gordon. Islamic art allows the depiction of human figures.  Like this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/10/55/4f/10554fce6a27e53cc92bc62c8d7b4327.jpg Or this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/86/c0/3f/86c03f533308ba7adcc48e626f95b594.jpg Or this one: https://8ch.pl/islam/src/1463515422640-1.jpg Or this one: http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/art-literature/images/Achaemenid%20Miniature.jpg Or this one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/07/c1/6a/07c16a21a91961ce98b2577486e38113.jpg There are literally millions of pieces of Islamic art which all depict human figures.   ::) ::) They are not muslim are they Brian.

Prove they are not, Soren.   I look forward to your efforts to do so.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Perhaps you should provide more information about the images bwian...  after all you provided them.

I provided many images myself...  all authentic BTW.

Oh and you can apologise to me for your libelous remarks about me and Islam/Muslims whenever you develop the moral integrity and courage to do so.  ::) ::) ::)

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 7:59am:

Perhaps you should provide more information about the images bwian...  after all you provided them. I provided many images myself...  all authentic BTW. Oh and you can apologise to me for your libelous remarks about me and Islam/Muslims whenever you develop the moral integrity and courage to do so.  ::) ::) ::)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dear, making demands and still refusing to answer simple questions, Geoff?  Tsk, tsk.  Run along...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 4:19pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 7:59am: Perhaps you should provide more information about the images bwian...  after all you provided them. I provided many images myself...  all authentic BTW. Oh and you can apologise to me for your libelous remarks about me and Islam/Muslims whenever you develop the moral integrity and courage to do so.  ::) ::) ::) http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dear, making demands and still refusing to answer simple questions, Geoff?  Tsk, tsk.  Run along...   ::)

I'm sorry bwian....  sorry you are so discourteous and dishonest.
I have defended more successfully than you Muslims in this topic...  even after you continually call me names... racist, xenophobe, hater, etc,etc,etc...

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 6:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 4:19pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 7:59am: Perhaps you should provide more information about the images bwian...  after all you provided them. I provided many images myself...  all authentic BTW. Oh and you can apologise to me for your libelous remarks about me and Islam/Muslims whenever you develop the moral integrity and courage to do so.  ::) ::) ::) http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dear, making demands and still refusing to answer simple questions, Geoff?  Tsk, tsk.  Run along...   ::) I'm sorry bwian....  sorry you are so discourteous and dishonest. I have defended more successfully than you Muslims in this topic...  even after you continually call me names... racist, xenophobe, hater, etc,etc,etc...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dear, making demands and still refusing to answer simple questions, Geoff?  Tsk, tsk.  Run along...   ::)

What questions bwian? :D :D :D
Honestly bwian that just takes the cake... 
even for you....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7LrViaPq7M

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 6:53pm:

What questions bwian? :D :D :D Honestly bwian that just takes the cake...  even for you.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7LrViaPq7M

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

When you present an argument that is worth replying to, Geoff, you can be assured, I will do so.   ::) ::)

But bwian...  please grow a brain.
If possible.... 
We agree on this topic dopey.
I'm successfully defending Muslims and You...  well you are just being a Troll...

I keep telling you...  stop yawning and start reading what people write. :D :D :D :D :D
Honestly...  YOU ARE SUCH A FOOL.

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 1:07pm:

But bwian...  please grow a brain. If possible....  We agree on this topic dopey. I'm successfully defending Muslims and You...  well you are just being a Troll... I keep telling you...  stop yawning and start reading what people write. :D :D :D :D :D Honestly...  YOU ARE SUCH A FOOL.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

When you learn to not use ad hominem terms when replying to me, Geoff, I might bother take notice of you.   Grow up, please and stop rolling in the gutter all your time...   ::)

Honestly bwian that just takes the cake... 
even for you....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7LrViaPq7M

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:59am:

Honestly bwian that just takes the cake...  even for you.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7LrViaPq7M

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

When you learn to not use ad hominem terms when replying to me, Geoff, I might bother take notice of you.   Grow up, please and stop rolling in the gutter all your time...   ::)

Honestly do you even know what the word hypocrite means...  when you stop flaming everyone and being a total holier than thou hypocrite you might earn some respect as it it you are a liar and a hypocrite...  simply a dishonest TROLL bwian. 

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:24pm:

Honestly do you even know what the word hypocrite means...  when you stop flaming everyone and being a total holier than thou hypocrite you might earn some respect as it it you are a liar and a hypocrite...  simply a dishonest TROLL bwian.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Stop rolling around in the gutter, Geoff.  It is unbecoming of you.   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Nothing gutter about anything I say Troll...  flame someone who cares... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:29pm:

Nothing gutter about anything I say Troll...  flame someone who cares... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Tsk, tsk, when you present an argument worth listening to, don't doubt it, I'll reply.   ::) ::)

Stop wasting my time, fool.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Your constant flaming and trolling with lies and hypocrisy is beyond tiresome.... :D :D :D :D :D