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CAN A MUSLIM BE A LOYAL AMERICAN? Theologically – NO. . . Because his submission is only to Allah – originally the name of the supreme rock god of Pagan Arabia- and hence most definitely not the same as the God of Jesus, Moses or Abraham. Religiously – NO. . . Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Submission to Allah). Al Imran 3: 85 “If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost” Scripturally – NO. . . Because his allegiance is to Sharia based upon Muhammad’s Quran and Sunna. Textually – NO … Because Muhammad’s Quran is Hatemongering, Warmongering, Misogynist, Racist, Intolerant, Duplicitous, Hypocritical & hence UNGODLY. Geographically – NO. . . Because a Muslim bows in reverence to Mecca in Arabia, to which he turns in prayer five times a day. Socially – NO. . . Because his devotion to Islam forbids him from making friends with Christians and Jews ~ Al Mai’da 5: 51 “O ye who believe! take not the Jews [Yahood] and the Christians [Nasara] for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them…” Al Tauba 9: 29 “Fight [qatiloo] those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth [ISLAM] (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Christians & Jews] until they pay the Jizya [onerous penalty for not being a Muslim] with willing submission and feel themselves humiliated” Loyally – NO … Because his allegiance is primarily to ALL other Muslims all over the globe. Ishaq:231 “Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders.” Politically – No. . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual Leaders), who teach equal opportunity HATRED for ALL those who are not followers of Muhammad (currently 80% of humanity called Ummat al Kuffar/ Nation of Infidels) as well as calls for the destruction of America, The Great Satan. Al Fath 48: 13 “And if any believe not in Allah and His Apostle We have prepared for those who reject Allah a Blazing Fire!” Domestically – No. . . Because he is instructed to marry up to four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him Al Nisaa 4:34 “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other and because they support them from their means. … As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct admonish them; refuse to share their beds; beat them …” Legally – No. . . Because he cannot accept the American Constitution as binding since it is not from Allah’s Sharia as well as he believes the Bible is corrupted. Culturally- NO… Because Muslims belong to a culture that prefers Death more than Life. Ibrahim 14: 3 “Those who love the life of this world more than the Hereafter who hinder (men) from the Path of Allah and seek therein something crooked: they are astray by a long distance” Constitutionally – No. . . Because Sharia is the nemesis of Democracy; it does not allow for freedoms of religion, expression or belief. Democracy and Islam is an oxymoron; a state of affairs that cannot possibly co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial, autocratic or theocratic and hence dysfunctional. Spiritually – No. . . Because the USA declares ‘one nation under God.’ The Christians’ God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran’s 99 excellent attributes. This is why American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about all the world wide atrocities allegedly committed by so called ‘radical’ Muslims. Not once has there been a major demonstration – whether in Europe or the USA – by the so called ‘silent majority’ Muslims expressing their revulsion at acts of terror committed by these alleged ‘radicals’ shouting out loud “NOT IN OUR NAME!” Muhammad said: SILENCE means CONSENT! Therefore, after much study and deliberation…. Perhaps Americans should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in their country. Muslims obviously cannot be both ‘good’ Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you will, these are the FACTS based entirely in chapter and verse upon their scripture. Americans had better believe it. The more who understand these realities, the better it will be for Americans and their future generations. This is NOT a clash of Civilizations but a clash of Beliefs. Footnote: Muslims have PUBLICLY and repeatedly declared their intention to destroy the USA from within. FREEDOM NEVER COMES FREE. IQ al Rassooli Kafir & Proud! http://www.alrassooli.com

Source, in the comments, here......

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/01/new-york-times-claims-that-far-right-media-is-stoking-anxiety-about-muslim-refugees#comment-1605122

No Muzlim can give their allegiance to anything other than Allah whose word is spelled out by the Prophet Mohamed and recorded in the Koran.

Of course not.

Yes yes they can. Just as a Christian can be a loyal American, or an atheist can be a loyal American.

No, they cannot. They are committed to overthrow of, as they put it, The Great Satan, which is their name for the USA.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 8:54am:

No, they cannot. They are committed to overthrow of, as they put it, The Great Satan, which is their name for the USA.

Meh, only some. Not all.


Besides there seems to be as many white suprmacists committed to the overthrow of the USA as Muslim extremists.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 8:09am:

Yes yes they can. Just as a Christian can be a loyal American, or an atheist can be a loyal American.

Exactly. Christians owe their primary loyalty to God. Their authority comes from the Bible, not the Constitution. But they can all be loyal to their own country and have proven it time and time again.

Its a idiotic argument presented by a idiot.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 8:54am:

No, they cannot. They are committed to overthrow of, as they put it, The Great Satan, which is their name for the USA.

Tell me something, how do you function with a amoeba brain?

You need to go to Wikipedia and bone up on the Nation Of Islam for a start, to treat your problem. NOI is just one of many groups with same intention. The only USA that they owe allegiance to, is The Islamic Republic of America.

Here in Australia, we have a government and state funded media running a campaign to convince us otherwise. They don't show Muzlim men, they use happy little girls with head coverings. Why? I should not have to spell this out to an intelligent person. Its because school girls a less threatening than terrorist age males. But no matter how cute the girls are when they are giggling, they are going to do what they are told to do by men with Korans, and then they are going to breed and produce more of them.

Wikipedia ;D

Marla wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 9:04am:

Tell me something, how do you function with a amoeba brain?

you rate him higher than I do.

there is NO SUCH COUNTRYcalled ISLAM...

as I Christian I identify with Britain if I was a Catholic or Baptist or even a Jew I would still identify with Britain because its the country I was born in...

if I was born in America I would more than likely be identified as Italian/America.. African/American Polish/American and do forth...not Christian American or Jewish American....

so how do Muslims identify themselves.. thats the real question.
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ISLAM   is a way of life.. its more than just an every day   religion...

I do not fully believe they put a country they happen to live in before their beliefs....

I am sorry of that offends some folks..

cods wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 9:30am:

there is NO SUCH COUNTRYcalled ISLAM... as I Christian I identify with Britain if I was a Catholic or Baptist or even a Jew I would still identify with Britain because its the country I was born in... if I was born in America I would more than likely be identified as Italian/America.. African/American Polish/American and do forth...not Christian American or Jewish American.... so how do Muslims identify themselves.. thats the real question. .. ISLAM   is a way of life.. its more than just an every day   religion... I do not fully believe they put a country they happen to live in before their beliefs.... I am sorry of that offends some folks..

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.............ISLAM   is a way of life.. its more than just an every day religion... I do not fully believe they put a country they happen to live in before their beliefs...............

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I am waiting for the crash and burn mob to scream racist.. :) :) :)

https://indypendent.org/sites/default/files/styles/feature_image/public/Trump%20rally%20racism.jpg

oh marlon you did it again..

I thought I was going to be disappointed...

your a winner alright.

WHAT THE 'OFFENSIVE' AMERICAN SAID.......


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......"In order to protect Americans, we must ensure that those admitted to this country do not bear hostile attitudes toward our country and its founding principles. We cannot, and should not, admit into our country those who do not support the U.S. Constitution, or those who would place violent religious edicts over American law. In addition, the United States should not admit those who engage in acts of bigotry and hatred (including “honor” killings, other forms of violence against women, or the persecution of those who practice other religions) or those who would oppress members of one race, one gender, or sexual orientation."

- President Donald Trump      January, 2017




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What i say......


ISLAM is a hostile and alien culture,       which wants to destroy Australia as we know it.





Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1484778259/3#3

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Moslems are not Australians. Even moslems living in Australia, who have secured Australian citizenship, are not Australians. Why so ? The allegiance and loyalty of the moslem, is to ISLAM exclusively. Any moslem who denies that,         is a FILTHY STINKING, LYING, DECEITFUL moslem. Study declared ISLAMIC doctrine. It confirms that the loyalty of the moslem must always be to ISLAM, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd!

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"Allah is our objective; the Prophet is our leader; the Koran is our law; Jihad is our way; dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."

- Hassan el Banna - Founder of The Muslim Brotherhood




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"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29




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Every moslem in Australia, is in effect, an actual member of ISIS.

How so ?

Because......



ISLAM is ISIS !!!

ISLAM is Hamas !!!

ISLAM is the Taleban !!!

ISLAM is Boko Haram !!!

ISLAM is Al-Qaeda !!!

i.e.
What we refer to as 'ISIS',             is simply one way in which ISLAM [the principle tenets and laws of ISLAM] finds expression, in our world today.




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ARGUMENT;

Moslems living among us, have only one intent towards us.


If you want to understand what that intent, towards us is,        .....then simply 'listen in' to what moslems sometimes reveal [about their intent towards those who do not believe as they believe], while they are encouraging each other to more openly express their 'religious fervour' !


EXAMPLE #1,
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Watch those intentions being expressed, and coming out of their own lips.




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"......Yes my brothers, we will change the world to suit ISLAM. The moslems living in Australia are also engaging in this struggle....."

Muslims brainwash children in Australia            -------- >         goto 1m 40s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E




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EXAMPLE #2,
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Watch those intentions being expressed, and coming out of their own lips



Behind closed doors,       many imam's who are living in the West, are constantly advising members of their community, that moslems must 1/ reject Western values, rules, and laws,      and 2/ must instead assert within their local society, the virtue of their ISLAMIC culture.     !!!

For example;
Watch such advice being given in the UK.
Watch the Channel 4 [UK] Undercover Mosque on YT

Google;
dispatches undercover mosque, channel 4, -Return

yadda I wouldnt have a clue what you just said..

your post overwhelm me I am sorry....

they look as if you do a lot of work on them

A loyal american is anyone who gets behind Trump and works with him to make america great.
this would include some muslims for sure.

marla and greg could not be loyal americans.

i would deport marla.

a great country needs to have very strong boundaries (not just walls) but strong boundaries about what behaviours it will and will not tolerate. All BS behaviour needs to be aggressively stomped out .

aquascoot wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 10:37am:

marla and greg could not be loyal americans.

Greg not American you tosser



A loyal Australian is one who puts Australia first .... that means opposing trump.

I would throw all the thrumpoids, including you, out.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 10:37am:

A loyal american is anyone who gets behind Trump and works with him to make america great. this would include some muslims for sure. marla and greg could not be loyal americans. i would deport marla. a great country needs to have very strong boundaries (not just walls) but strong boundaries about what behaviours it will and will not tolerate. All BS behaviour needs to be aggressively stomped out .

So does that mean all the Republicans who didnt get behind Obama were unloyal Americans?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 10:42am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:37am: A loyal american is anyone who gets behind Trump and works with him to make america great. this would include some muslims for sure. marla and greg could not be loyal americans. i would deport marla. a great country needs to have very strong boundaries (not just walls) but strong boundaries about what behaviours it will and will not tolerate. All BS behaviour needs to be aggressively stomped out . So does that mean all the Republicans who didnt get behind Obama were unloyal Americans?

Most republicans got on with it and kept grinding it out in business.
Sure , they would have seen Obama as a problem.
But the noble rightard just sees a problem as a challenge and works around the problem.
the noble rightard does not "identify" with the problem.
If a rightard felt he was a "victim" of obama and he wasted his time "protesting", he should be deported for sure.
He should not be spending "significant time on insignificant things".
If he wants to sook, he should F off.

What the noble rightard should do is build a great business and contribute and , then, if he wants to rid himself of a toxic negative influence like the democratic party, he can contribute $$$$ to the republicans .
This is called taking "action"

Complaining and crying is not action.
Those are called being a little bitch and a brat.
And a wise parent or a wise leader knows that tantrums are best ignored or sent for "time out".
Deporting is the ultimate form of time out  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 10:56am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:42am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:37am: A loyal american is anyone who gets behind Trump and works with him to make america great. this would include some muslims for sure. marla and greg could not be loyal americans. i would deport marla. a great country needs to have very strong boundaries (not just walls) but strong boundaries about what behaviours it will and will not tolerate. All BS behaviour needs to be aggressively stomped out . So does that mean all the Republicans who didnt get behind Obama were unloyal Americans? Most republicans got on with it and kept grinding it out in business. Sure , they would have seen Obama as a problem. But the noble rightard just sees a problem as a challenge and works around the problem. the noble rightard does not "identify" with the problem. If a rightard felt he was a "victim" of obama and he wasted his time "protesting", he should be deported for sure. He should not be spending "significant time on insignificant things". If he wants to sook, he should F off. What the noble rightard should do is build a great business and contribute and , then, if he wants to rid himself of a toxic negative influence like the democratic party, he can contribute $$$$ to the republicans . This is called taking "action" Complaining and crying is not action. Those are called being a little bitch and a brat. And a wise parent or a wise leader knows that tantrums are best ignored or sent for "time out". Deporting is the ultimate form of time out  ;)

Lol no they didnt they obstructed at every opportunity.

John Smith wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 10:41am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:37am: marla and greg could not be loyal americans. A loyal Australian is one who puts Australia first .... that means opposing trump. I would throw all the thrumpoids, including you, out.

We need to start deporting them as soon as possible.

Here's Malcolm's opportunity to actually do something worthwhile.

Round up all the Trumptards, and have them removed from this country immediately.

For the good of the nation.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 11:04am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:41am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:37am: marla and greg could not be loyal americans. A loyal Australian is one who puts Australia first .... that means opposing trump. I would throw all the thrumpoids, including you, out. We need to start deporting them as soon as possible. Here's Malcolm's opportunity to actually do something worthwhile. Round up all the Trumptards, and have them removed from this country immediately. For the good of the nation.

But where would you send them? trump doesnt want them.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 11:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:04am: John Smith wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:41am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:37am: marla and greg could not be loyal americans. A loyal Australian is one who puts Australia first .... that means opposing trump. I would throw all the thrumpoids, including you, out. We need to start deporting them as soon as possible. Here's Malcolm's opportunity to actually do something worthwhile. Round up all the Trumptards, and have them removed from this country immediately. For the good of the nation. But where would you send them? trump doesnt want them.

Trump will take 'em.

He can use them as cheap labour to build his wall.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 11:29am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:27am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:04am: John Smith wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:41am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:37am: marla and greg could not be loyal americans. A loyal Australian is one who puts Australia first .... that means opposing trump. I would throw all the thrumpoids, including you, out. We need to start deporting them as soon as possible. Here's Malcolm's opportunity to actually do something worthwhile. Round up all the Trumptards, and have them removed from this country immediately. For the good of the nation. But where would you send them? trump doesnt want them. Trump will take 'em. He can use them as cheap labour to build his wall.

They'd sabotage it.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 11:30am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:29am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:27am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:04am: John Smith wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:41am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:37am: marla and greg could not be loyal americans. A loyal Australian is one who puts Australia first .... that means opposing trump. I would throw all the thrumpoids, including you, out. We need to start deporting them as soon as possible. Here's Malcolm's opportunity to actually do something worthwhile. Round up all the Trumptards, and have them removed from this country immediately. For the good of the nation. But where would you send them? trump doesnt want them. Trump will take 'em. He can use them as cheap labour to build his wall. They'd sabotage it.

Yes with a massive ladder.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 10:58am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:56am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:42am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:37am: A loyal american is anyone who gets behind Trump and works with him to make america great. this would include some muslims for sure. marla and greg could not be loyal americans. i would deport marla. a great country needs to have very strong boundaries (not just walls) but strong boundaries about what behaviours it will and will not tolerate. All BS behaviour needs to be aggressively stomped out . So does that mean all the Republicans who didnt get behind Obama were unloyal Americans? Most republicans got on with it and kept grinding it out in business. Sure , they would have seen Obama as a problem. But the noble rightard just sees a problem as a challenge and works around the problem. the noble rightard does not "identify" with the problem. If a rightard felt he was a "victim" of obama and he wasted his time "protesting", he should be deported for sure. He should not be spending "significant time on insignificant things". If he wants to sook, he should F off. What the noble rightard should do is build a great business and contribute and , then, if he wants to rid himself of a toxic negative influence like the democratic party, he can contribute $$$$ to the republicans . This is called taking "action" Complaining and crying is not action. Those are called being a little bitch and a brat. And a wise parent or a wise leader knows that tantrums are best ignored or sent for "time out". Deporting is the ultimate form of time out  ;) Lol no they didnt they obstructed at every opportunity.

then they are "counterfeit " rightards.
a correct thinking rightard will sit and watch an army of ants going about their business. if there is a problem, an obstacle, an inconvenience...the ant simply finds an alternate route.
i often watch ants as part of "tapping into the divine nature of universal wisdom"
I am yet to see an ant that just gave up and started crying. i have never seen an ant protest that the situation is unnacceptable. if the humble ant can exist in this higher consciousness, if it can be relentless and persistent and never get all butt hurt and complain...then how much more so, do humans need to have these qualities

Dear lord, you're an idiot.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 11:48am:

Dear lord, you're an idiot.

a rich successful happy idiot.

just like Donald.
kindred spirits.

Asset rich cash poor

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 11:30am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:29am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:27am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:04am: John Smith wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:41am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:37am: marla and greg could not be loyal americans. A loyal Australian is one who puts Australia first .... that means opposing trump. I would throw all the thrumpoids, including you, out. We need to start deporting them as soon as possible. Here's Malcolm's opportunity to actually do something worthwhile. Round up all the Trumptards, and have them removed from this country immediately. For the good of the nation. But where would you send them? trump doesnt want them. Trump will take 'em. He can use them as cheap labour to build his wall. They'd sabotage it.

Why would you and your fellow Trumptards sabotage his wall?

I thought you were all for it.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 11:55am:

Asset rich cash poor

sort of, but your greatest asset is always your own "personal philosophy".  thats why i try to study and personify the behaviour of the humble ant  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 11:54am:

a rich successful happy idiot.

you don't sound to happy to me ... a truly happy person doesn't need to continuously justify their position with psychobabble while attempting to denigrate others.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 11:56am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:55am: Asset rich cash poor sort of, but your greatest asset is always your own "personal philosophy".  thats why i try to study and personify the behaviour of the humble ant  ;)

Maybe if you did more work.

It's the wrong question.

The right question is: does a Muslim population in a western country present a security problem?

The Austrian Science Academy recently presented research to show that 40% of Muslim immigrants placed obedience to their religion ahead of obedience to the law of the state.

That convinces me that many, enough Muslims pose a loyalty threat.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 10:37am:

A loyal american is anyone who gets behind Trump and works with him to make america great. this would include some muslims for sure. marla and greg could not be loyal americans. i would deport marla. a great country needs to have very strong boundaries (not just walls) but strong boundaries about what behaviours it will and will not tolerate. All BS behaviour needs to be aggressively stomped out .

That is absolute BS, aqua.


aquascoot,

QUESTION;
Why do they call themselves 'moslems' [and thereby associate themselves, with ISLAM],

if they do not support the religious violence which ISLAM mandates,         and the religious violence which ISLAM mandates that every moslem must either engage in, or, materially support ???




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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1451577940/5#5

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........I know that it can be a difficult concept for many to grasp, .....but i am still promoting the proposition that, .....a person who insists that he is a moslem, ....is, a moslem.

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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1484778259/3#3

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Moslems are not Australians. Even moslems living in Australia, who have secured Australian citizenship, are not Australians. Why so ? The allegiance and loyalty of the moslem, is to ISLAM exclusively. Any moslem who denies that,         is a FILTHY STINKING, LYING, DECEITFUL moslem. Study declared ISLAMIC doctrine. It confirms that the loyalty of the moslem must always be to ISLAM, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd!

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"Allah is our objective; the Prophet is our leader; the Koran is our law; Jihad is our way; dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."

- Hassan el Banna - Founder of The Muslim Brotherhood




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Yadda said....

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Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. Google; Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim "There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah." Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, Australians, must be forced to believe the incredible; "I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger. And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity']. But i don't follow that part of my faith. HONEST!"             ;D Dictionary; incredible = = 1 impossible to believe. 2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.

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Yadda wrote on Dec 30^th, 2014 at 8:25am:

ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act. That 'precept' of faith is mainstream within ISLAM. ISIS know it. Al-Qaeda know it. The Saudis know it. And EVERY moslem who is living among us, here in Australia, knows it. ISLAMIC LAW.... "Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) " fiqhussunnah/fus1_06 ISLAMIC LAW.... "Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...." fiqhussunnah/#3.110 n.b. "Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled." THE HADITH.... "...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD. hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 12:06pm:

It's the wrong question. The right question is: does a Muslim population in a western country present a security problem? The Austrian Science Academy recently presented research to show that 40% of Muslim immigrants placed obedience to their religion ahead of obedience to the law of the state. That convinces me that many, enough Muslims pose a loyalty threat.

LOOK HERE  !!!!!!

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In a BBC poll, 45% of British moslems are willing to admit, that encouraging 'extremism' [i.e. terrorism] is mainstream within ISLAM, and within their community!!!

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https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx



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THE LIE      -       "It is only a tiny minority of the moslem community living, here in the West, that support the moslem extremists."


That is an absolute lie, which is spread by the moslem communities that are resident here, in the West.

And which is willingly believed, by corrupt, self serving, Western politicians and policy makers.

CAN A MUSLIM BE A LOYAL AMERICAN?

An 'informative' article....



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The Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America’s Ominous Post-Election Statement by Phillip Haney, January 23, 2017: Introduction The purpose of this article is to decipher the ominous, but heavily camouflaged language embedded within the English text of a recent scholarly document, published on the website of the Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America (AMJA), which is entitled Post-Election Statement: Principles and Roadmap (aka the Roadmap). ....Why is the AMJA Roadmap even important? Could a scholarly article written by the leaders of a harmless-sounding American Islamic organization possibly have a corrosive influence on our Constitutionally protected values of Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness? The answer is: Yes. ....For at least three generations, right here in America, Muslim Brotherhood front groups such as the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) and the North American Islamic Trust (NAIT) have been building up the Al-Qaeda Al-Motzema Al-Islamia.            [Al-Qaeda, the word here is translated as ‘base’] ....In English, the AMJA is known as the Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America. However, this benign-sounding title is dramatically different, and much more ominous, when translated directly from the Arabic, i.e., the Majama Fuqaha Al-Shariah B’Amrikia (Group of Shariah Specialists in America). More specifically, the covert use of the term Al-Shariah B’Amrikia (Shariah in America) should send up an immediate ‘red flag.’ After all, haven’t we been reassured repeatedly that Muslims have no intention of implementing Shariah law here in America, and that Shariah poses no threat to our constitutionally protected freedoms? Aren’t those who raise concerns about Shariah routinely branded as bigots, raving conspiracy theorists and dubious Islamophobes? ....The current AMJA leadership structure includes six members of the Leadership Council (aka Majlis Al-Shura, or the Shura Council), nearly all of whom are graduates of Al-Azhar University in Cairo, plus eight Scholars, 46 Experts and 41 Members. Combined together, this roster of 100 Islamic scholars is a Who’s Who of prominent Muslim Brotherhood leaders and Salafi Muslims affiliated with the Global Islamic Movement. It is also important to recognize that the AMJA is much more than a simple ‘home-grown’ group of American Muslim clergymen. Instead, it is part of a constellation of influential Islamic organizations, such as the European Council for Fatwa and Research (ECFR), the International Union for Muslim Scholars (IUMS), and the Islamic Research Foundation International (IRFI). [this voluminous article continues in the frontpagemag.com link]

https://counterjihadreport.com/2017/01/24/the-assembly-of-muslim-jurists-of-americas-ominous-post-election-statement/

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/265549/assembly-muslim-jurists-americas-ominous-post-philip-haney

Can any religious person be loyal to their country?

Their god comes first no matter what. They are even told they have to love their god more then their own offspring.

Now imagine a country passes a law for the good of its citizens, but that law goes against the tenants of their god.

It's time to stop giving religion a free pass. These people have no idea what god's will is.

If god exists he is far more advanced than we are. Raven is more advanced then a dog. Does the dog presume to know Raven's will?

Raven wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:05am:

Can any religious person be loyal to their country? Their god comes first no matter what. They are even told they have to love their god more then their own offspring. Now imagine a country passes a law for the good of its citizens, but that law goes against the tenants of their god. It's time to stop giving religion a free pass. These people have no idea what god's will is. If god exists he is far more advanced than we are. Raven is more advanced then a dog. Does the dog presume to know Raven's will?

Sit Ubu sit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2zz-Nyrl74

That same question used to be asked of Catholics - can they truly be loyal to America and also answer to the Pope ...

Setanta wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:07am:

Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:05am: Can any religious person be loyal to their country? Their god comes first no matter what. They are even told they have to love their god more then their own offspring. Now imagine a country passes a law for the good of its citizens, but that law goes against the tenants of their god. It's time to stop giving religion a free pass. These people have no idea what god's will is. If god exists he is far more advanced than we are. Raven is more advanced then a dog. Does the dog presume to know Raven's will? Sit Ubu sit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2zz-Nyrl74

Yes a dog can be trained. Religion has trained us for millennia.

But can the animal know our motivations?

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 12:06pm:

It's the wrong question. The right question is: does a Muslim population in a western country present a security problem? The Austrian Science Academy recently presented research to show that 40% of Muslim immigrants placed obedience to their religion ahead of obedience to the law of the state. That convinces me that many, enough Muslims pose a loyalty threat.

The same can be said for any religious person. Their god comes first, not their children and not their state.

Raven wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:22am:

Setanta wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:07am: Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:05am: Can any religious person be loyal to their country? Their god comes first no matter what. They are even told they have to love their god more then their own offspring. Now imagine a country passes a law for the good of its citizens, but that law goes against the tenants of their god. It's time to stop giving religion a free pass. These people have no idea what god's will is. If god exists he is far more advanced than we are. Raven is more advanced then a dog. Does the dog presume to know Raven's will? Sit Ubu sit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2zz-Nyrl74 Yes a dog can be trained. Religion has trained us for millennia. But can the animal know our motivations?

Ahh.. You asked if it could know our will. Don't move the goal posts.

Setanta wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:34am:

Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:22am: Setanta wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:07am: Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:05am: Can any religious person be loyal to their country? Their god comes first no matter what. They are even told they have to love their god more then their own offspring. Now imagine a country passes a law for the good of its citizens, but that law goes against the tenants of their god. It's time to stop giving religion a free pass. These people have no idea what god's will is. If god exists he is far more advanced than we are. Raven is more advanced then a dog. Does the dog presume to know Raven's will? Sit Ubu sit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2zz-Nyrl74 Yes a dog can be trained. Religion has trained us for millennia. But can the animal know our motivations? Ahh.. You asked if it could know our will. Don't move the goal posts.

Are they not the same thing?

Our will is driven by our motivations.

We want a well trained dog, who will obey us us and not jump on the furniture.

The dog only knows that if it obeys it gets a treat.

Raven wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:49am:

Setanta wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:34am: Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:22am: Setanta wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:07am: Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:05am: Can any religious person be loyal to their country? Their god comes first no matter what. They are even told they have to love their god more then their own offspring. Now imagine a country passes a law for the good of its citizens, but that law goes against the tenants of their god. It's time to stop giving religion a free pass. These people have no idea what god's will is. If god exists he is far more advanced than we are. Raven is more advanced then a dog. Does the dog presume to know Raven's will? Sit Ubu sit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2zz-Nyrl74 Yes a dog can be trained. Religion has trained us for millennia. But can the animal know our motivations? Ahh.. You asked if it could know our will. Don't move the goal posts. Are they not the same thing? Our will is driven by our motivations. We want a well trained dog, who will obey us us and not jump on the furniture. The dog only knows that if it obeys it gets a treat.

Has Raven never had a dog? They are a pack animal and are driven by the desire to be accepted by the pack leader. The treat is acceptance. If the will of the lead is for it to sit, it just happy to do so. The leaders motivation matters not, it the acceptance into the pack they desire. Sound familiar?

Setanta wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:56am:

Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:49am: Setanta wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:34am: Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:22am: Setanta wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:07am: Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:05am: Can any religious person be loyal to their country? Their god comes first no matter what. They are even told they have to love their god more then their own offspring. Now imagine a country passes a law for the good of its citizens, but that law goes against the tenants of their god. It's time to stop giving religion a free pass. These people have no idea what god's will is. If god exists he is far more advanced than we are. Raven is more advanced then a dog. Does the dog presume to know Raven's will? Sit Ubu sit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2zz-Nyrl74 Yes a dog can be trained. Religion has trained us for millennia. But can the animal know our motivations? Ahh.. You asked if it could know our will. Don't move the goal posts. Are they not the same thing? Our will is driven by our motivations. We want a well trained dog, who will obey us us and not jump on the furniture. The dog only knows that if it obeys it gets a treat. Has Raven never had a dog? They are a pack animal and are driven by the desire to be accepted by the pack leader. The treat is acceptance. If the will of the lead is for it to sit, it just happy to do so. The leaders motivation matters not, it the acceptance into the pack they desire. Sound familiar?

Yes it does sound familiar. The point remains that the animal does not understand the will behind the pack leader's actions it just obeys.

The dog can also misinterpret the pack leader's commands.

Raven wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 2:13am:

Yes it does sound familiar. The point remains that the animal does not understand the will behind the pack leader's actions it just obeys. The dog can also misinterpret the pack leader's commands.

The dog certainly understands the will of the pack leader and it would make the dog happy if it can carry it out that request/order. Sit, Ubu sit. The motivation matters not. I have been around dogs all my life, mine and my father's. Mine pets, seriously well trained bull terriers, his, gun dog champions. They do not care about the pack leaders motivation, only to please the pack leader.

Setanta wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 2:35am:

Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 2:13am: Yes it does sound familiar. The point remains that the animal does not understand the will behind the pack leader's actions it just obeys. The dog can also misinterpret the pack leader's commands. The dog certainly understands the will of the pack leader and it would make the dog happy if it can carry it out that request/order. Sit, Ubu sit. The motivation matters not. I have been around dogs all my life, mine and my father's. Mine pets, seriously well trained bull terriers, his, gun dog champions. They do not care about the pack leaders motivation, only to please the pack leader.

But does your dog understand why you want it to sit?

Raven wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 2:50am:

Setanta wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 2:35am: Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 2:13am: Yes it does sound familiar. The point remains that the animal does not understand the will behind the pack leader's actions it just obeys. The dog can also misinterpret the pack leader's commands. The dog certainly understands the will of the pack leader and it would make the dog happy if it can carry it out that request/order. Sit, Ubu sit. The motivation matters not. I have been around dogs all my life, mine and my father's. Mine pets, seriously well trained bull terriers, his, gun dog champions. They do not care about the pack leaders motivation, only to please the pack leader. But does your dog understand why you want it to sit?

Yes. Because I, as pack leader, want it to. That all that matters. It does not care why I want it to. My first Bullterrier, trained on that school oval in Vic Park, Greg would remember it's name, I would say, sit Jay. It woulld sit, I'd say stay. Jay would stay. I could run all over the oval, then to the other side, say come, she would bolt at me, stop! she would stop in her tracks. Sit, dog would sit. I run off and hide, Jay come! she would then play hide and seek with me. She had no idea what my motivations were, her greatest pleasure was to please me. She would not even eat when food was in front of her until I said so.

She got stolen.

And therein lies the problem, obey without ever asking why.

Can a Muslim be a loyal American?

Can a truely religious person be loyal to their country?

Can they be loyal to their own children?

The answer unfortunately is no.

Raven wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 3:09am:

And therein lies the problem, obey without ever asking why. Can a Muslim be a loyal American? Can a truely religious person be loyal to their country? Can they be loyal to their own children? The answer unfortunately is no.

Sadly... That is why I typed, sound familiar?

Raven wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:05am:

.......These people have no idea what god's will is. If god exists he is far more advanced than we are. Raven is more advanced then a dog. Does the dog presume to know Raven's will?

Woof, woof.





Some may posit that it is presumptuous, for a man to seek God ['if God exists'], to understand the nature of God ['if God exists'].

But though he [God] be far above us [as we sojourn in his world],       in his word ['if the bible is God's word'] God counsels men again and again, to seek after him,        and says, that men ought to try to understand his ways....



Deuteronomy 4:29  But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

1 Chronicles 16:10  Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD.

1 Chronicles 16:11  Seek the LORD and his strength, seek his face continually.

1 Chronicles 22:19  Now set your heart and your soul to seek the LORD your God; arise therefore, and build ye the sanctuary of the LORD God, to bring the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and the holy vessels of God, into the house that is to be built to the name of the LORD.

2 Chronicles 11:16  And after them out of all the tribes of Israel such as set their hearts to seek the LORD God of Israel came to Jerusalem, to sacrifice unto the LORD God of their fathers.

2 Chronicles 12:14  And he did evil, because he prepared not his heart to seek the LORD.

2 Chronicles 14:4  And commanded Judah to seek the LORD God of their fathers, and to do the law and the commandment.

2 Chronicles 20:3  And Jehoshaphat feared, and set himself to seek the LORD, and proclaimed a fast throughout all Judah.

2 Chronicles 20:4  And Judah gathered themselves together, to ask help of the LORD: even out of all the cities of Judah they came to seek the LORD.

Ezra 6:21  And the children of Israel, which were come again out of captivity, and all such as had separated themselves unto them from the filthiness of the heathen of the land, to seek the LORD God of Israel, did eat,

Psalms 34:10  The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger: but they that seek the LORD shall not want any good thing.

Psalms 105:3  Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD.

Psalms 105:4  Seek the LORD, and his strength: seek his face evermore.

Proverbs 28:5  Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

Isaiah 9:13  For the people turneth not unto him that smiteth them, neither do they seek the LORD of hosts.

Isaiah 31:1  Woe to them that go down to Egypt for help; and stay on horses, and trust in chariots, because they are many; and in horsemen, because they are very strong; but they look not unto the Holy One of Israel, neither seek the LORD!

Isaiah 51:1  Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.

Jeremiah 50:4  In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God.

Hosea 3:5  Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.

Hosea 10:12  Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you.

Amos 5:6  Seek the LORD, and ye shall live; lest he break out like fire in the house of Joseph, and devour it, and there be none to quench it in Bethel.

Zechariah 8:21  And the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, Let us go speedily to pray before the LORD, and to seek the LORD of hosts: I will go also.

Zechariah 8:22  Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the LORD.

Acts 17:27  That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:




We ought to seek God, however imperfect our efforts may be

Psalms 14:2  The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3  They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.


Romans 3:11  There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.



Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1214199336/431#431

aquascoot wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 10:37am:

A loyal american is anyone who gets behind Trump and works with him to make america great. this would include some muslims for sure. marla and greg could not be loyal americans. i would deport marla.

;D ;D ;D

Yes, back to Ireland where her ancestors heralded from. Bog Ireland on the west coast where the peat is.

Terni, Italy you racist hippie.
http://gotravelaz.com/wp-content/uploads/images/Terni_29910.jpg
What an utter shithole

It's where my corrupt Catholic upbringing has its roots. 

Than I discovered Marxism and was truly liberated from the farce that is Christianity. 

Terni? Forget it.

No river, no lakes, no sea ... and it's probably an earthquake area too. And it's way too far from any of the big cities.

Republican Ireland has its charms if the documentaries I've seen are anything to go by. You could do worse than live in one of the more beautiful parts there.


Would I recommend Australia? Probably not.

White Anglo/Irish/American migration to Australia hasn't been that successful. Huge numbers of Brits returned to the UK almost immediately, and in my 55 years here I can count the number of Americans I've come across on ... two fingers.

The problem is that the Brits and Americans already live in First World circumstances before coming here, and so the reasons for staying are not anything like as attractive as it is for Third World immigrants.

A previous government actually initiated an inquiry to find the reasons why so many migrants were returning home after a few years.

With the Brits it was the hot weather.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 11:16am:

Would I recommend Australia? Probably not.

Do you know what you are, Herb?

You're a globalist, a man of the world.

Now a nationalist would recommend Australia, but you're too sophisticated for that sort of provincial jingoism. Your loyalties lie elsewhere.