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Title: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:50am

What an awful waste of life, and then this poor woman losing her life because she believed this fellow possessed at least a modicum of common sense and knew that flying is all about wind directions, turbulence, up-draughs and down-draughs and having a decent height above the ground or water.

Gaining a flier's licence should be much more difficult than simply knowing where the gear-shift is and the clutch.

If that was my niece I'd like to murder someone.

WHY was he so close to the water while making a tight turn in a cross-wind? It's such a dumb-ass mistake. Fking idiot!

Okay, he's dead, and I'm sorry about that, but if you have no idea how to fly a plane then you shouldn't be risking anyone's life but your own. Leave the girlfriend on the ground and show off on your own.

link

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by cods on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:15am

not sure how you know he didnt have any flying skills herb?..I dont think even the police know that...

it is a shocking accident.. and awful for all those who watched it.....

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:22am

cods wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:15am:

not sure how you know he didnt have any flying skills herb?..I dont think even the police know that...

it is a shocking accident.. and awful for all those who watched it.....

Give me a break. It's all there on the video. He took no account of air temperatures close to the water, or wind-shift, or ensuring he had enough height to manoeuvre. Can you imagine seeing your daughter losing her life because this idiot didn't have a clue about flying to safe standards?

I'm very sorry for him, but ... when incompetence costs other people their lives and the lives of people's loved ones, then it infuriates me. We get this a lot here in Sydney when young idiots kill their girlfriends and other passengers by driving dangerously at high speed.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by John Smith on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:48am

so apart from being an expert on child rearing, an expert on women and an expert on migrants, Herb is now also an expert on flying :D :D :D

something else the expert has absolutely no experience with :D :D :D

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by cods on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:52am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:22am:

cods wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:15am:

not sure how you know he didnt have any flying skills herb?..I dont think even the police know that...

it is a shocking accident.. and awful for all those who watched it.....

how do you know the plane didnt have a fault???

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by John Smith on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:54am

cods wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:52am:

how do you know the plane didnt have a fault???

he doesn't

in typical Herbie fashion, he hasn't a friggen clue. But that doesn't stop him pretending

https://youtu.be/FyM8NVl4yBY?t=3

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 8:21am

Herby,
your links says

Quote:

"Firstly we have a scene out here which will be subject to both coronial and a CASA investigation," he said.

"It's really important that we preserve that scene to make sure that we can extract everything we can to find out why this tragic event occurred."

Maybe the engine cut out?

It's too early to give your "expert" opinions.

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 8:21am

John Smith wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:48am:

while never having had a child, a relationship or any involvement with migrants.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by The Grappler on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 9:57am

Grumman Mallard? Another vintage aircraft gone.... obviously some kind of display that went wrong - it happens, Herb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrczvMYqhK0

If you watch long enough, the Hawker Hurricane wheel collapse on landing will make you weep... only a few of those around.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 10:27am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:50am:

I dont know what happenned or why and neither do you. Clearly he banks normally and then for some reason banks past 45degrees at which time the plan stalled and fell out of the sky. No experience pilot would ever attempt a 45+degree turn in such a plane - or almost any plane for that matter. He could have had mechanical failure such as aileron failure or even rudder hard-left. early 737s had a problem with the rudder which lead to exactly this scenario.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 10:56am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 9:57am:

good video

Shows you that even the best pilots have accidents.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 11:07am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 10:27am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:50am:

I dont know what happenned or why and neither do you.

Of course not.

Herr Bert is just being his usual trolling POS.

I went for a walk around the river this morning, and the police were out on the water inspecting the plane.

This is the guy:

Now Herr Bert has a face he can direct his ignorant hatred towards.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 11:26am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 11:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 10:27am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:50am:

I dont know what happenned or why and neither do you.

I will be interested to find out what happened. Failing gross negligence of the pilot, it looks like mechanical faiure or a sudden wind or something else to force it into a 45+ bank

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Marla on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 12:15pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:50am:

Okay, he's dead, and I'm sorry about that, but if you have no idea how to fly a plane then you shouldn't be risking anyone's life but your own. Leave the girlfriend on the ground and show off on your own.

Bet it was his racism that killed him, Herbie Gerbie. You know, flying a white plane.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 12:26pm

Marla wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 12:15pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:50am:

Bet it was his racism that killed him, Herbie Gerbie. You know, flying a white plane.

Marla - stop smoking it.
Your brains are fried.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by issuevoter on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 1:21pm

I don't know much about flying, but I have watched that crash from several different points of view. I don't see any indication of significant wind sheer. I think that type of slow aircraft loses lift the more it is banked. When the wings are vertical, there is no lift, and the plane stalls.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 1:39pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 9:57am:

Grumman Mallard? Another vintage aircraft gone.... obviously some kind of display that went wrong - it happens, Herb.

A lot of the disasters occur because the pilots believe they must push the plane to the absolute limit while doing aerial contortions in order to entertain the crowd and get an excellent reputation among air show organisers that ensures they have big pay-cheques coming in all year round from venues across the globe.

They deliberately take risks that are unrealistic and fatal.

There are some magnificent aircraft pilots as I well know from first hand experience.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Fireball on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 1:45pm

Looks like a mechanical fault Herb.......very tragic.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 1:59pm

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 1:45pm:

Looks like a mechanical fault Herb.......very tragic.

Of course it's tragic, but Dick Smith and the others MUST insist on a far more rigorous and detailed training of pilots so that they know what are the hazards when flying.

I don't buy the mechanical failure excuse. I've watched hundreds of hours of documentary footage and expert commentary from the TV series 'Air Crash Investigation' and 'Air Disasters', and the Number One cause of air fatalities is 'Pilot Error' way out in front of Number Two.

That pilot was WAY too low to the ground to start banking like that. Blind Freddy ... etc etc.

DON'T do these risky manoeuvres when you're putting other people's lives in danger, is all I am saying.

Incidentally, 'cover-ups' of what and who's at fault in the airlines industry is notorious. It's all about crippling insurance premiums and pay-outs.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 2:49pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Thats the technical cause of the crash but the cause is WHY it banked so steeply. It is highly unlikely to be pilot error as any pilot knows you cant bank anywhere near that steeply. It could be weather or mechanical failure.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 2:51pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 1:59pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 1:45pm:

Looks like a mechanical fault Herb.......very tragic.

you know NOTHING about flying. nobody deliberately banks like that EVER as it is a dead stall in any and all aircraft. But as always. you get your info from television which is inadequate.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Mistress Nicole on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 3:29pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:50am:

Youre being very presumptuous.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by John Smith on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 3:31pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 1:59pm:

I don't buy the mechanical failure excuse. I've watched hundreds of hours of documentary footage and expert commentary from the TV series 'Air Crash Investigation' and 'Air Disasters',

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

you probably watched lots of porn too, but that doesn't mean you know what a real woman feels like :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 3:42pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 2:49pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Correct - at that height he should have been flying straight & level
& well above stalling speed.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:31pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 2:49pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Correct - at that height he should have been flying straight & level
& well above stalling speed.

Its okay to bank but he banked WAY too steeply and no pilot would do that deliberately.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:36pm

They're saying it could take up to a year before the investigation is finished.

Maybe they should just talk to Herr Bert, and save time.

The old dust-farter seems to think he knows exactly what happened.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Alinta on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 2:49pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Correct - at that height he should have been flying straight & level
& well above stalling speed.

Its okay to bank but he banked WAY too steeply and no pilot would do that deliberately.

So it's not out of the question that banking (less steeply) may have been intended as part of the spectacle of landing on the river????????

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:52pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 2:49pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Correct - at that height he should have been flying straight & level
& well above stalling speed.

Its okay to bank but he banked WAY too steeply and no pilot would do that deliberately.

But he shouldn't have been banking at all at that height.
It was too close to the water.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:12pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:52pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 2:49pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Correct - at that height he should have been flying straight & level
& well above stalling speed.

Its okay to bank but he banked WAY too steeply and no pilot would do that deliberately.

But he shouldn't have been banking at all at that height.
It was too close to the water.

Wrong. Banking is fine at any height as long as it is gentle and appropriate for the aircraft and conditions.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:14pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:52pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 2:49pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Correct - at that height he should have been flying straight & level
& well above stalling speed.

Its okay to bank but he banked WAY too steeply and no pilot would do that deliberately.

But he shouldn't have been banking at all at that height.
It was too close to the water.

Wrong. Banking is fine at any height as long as it is gentle and appropriate for the aircraft and conditions.

Come on Longy - he wasn't a stunt pilot.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:18pm

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 3:29pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:50am:

Youre being very presumptuous.

;D

I'm making informed guesses as to what happened. The report says he was caught by 'wind-shear' - something he should have factored into his calculations when he made that turn.

Again I say: I'm putting my money on 'pilot error'.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by cods on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:36pm:

hes not the only expert on light aircraft flying.. on here..

it reminds me of Lisa... ::) ::).. a degree in everything... ;D ;D

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:33pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:52pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 2:49pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Correct - at that height he should have been flying straight & level
& well above stalling speed.

Its okay to bank but he banked WAY too steeply and no pilot would do that deliberately.

But he shouldn't have been banking at all at that height.
It was too close to the water.

Wrong. Banking is fine at any height as long as it is gentle and appropriate for the aircraft and conditions.

Come on Longy - he wasn't a stunt pilot.

PILOTS BANK AIRCRAFT all the time or do you think they all fly in just a straight line? Banking at any height is fine when done properly

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Alinta on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:34pm

SO......I'll try again....

Longy, you seem to have some knowledge of aircraft........in accordance with the excerpt below from the Perth Air Show agenda, is it possible that banking may have been intended as part of Unusual Aircraft landing?????

Personally I doubt it but I don't have the knowledge to assist me in understanding the possibility...

highlight]5.00pm Flying Boat Unusual Aircraft Landing And Take Off From Perth Water
◾VH-CQA Grumman G-73 Mallard seaplane, Peter Lynch
◾VH-MOX Cessna 208 Caravan seaplane of Swan River Seaplanes, Melvyn Taylor
[/highlight]

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:35pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:18pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 3:29pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:50am:

Youre being very presumptuous.

So I was right... wind shear which dear dunderhead is unpredictable and if you are caught in on on landing even a large passenger jet can cause you to crash. IN fact expensive technology was brought into play precisely to help manage these unpredictable situations.

you really are a non-expert on so many things...

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:41pm

Alinta wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:34pm:

I dont know, but watching the video it is clear that a bank was undertaken and for some reason (now revealed as sudden wind shear) the right wing was tipped over far further than the intended (and maximum) angle and so the plane stalled - literally fell out of the sky. If he had been a several thousand feet he could have recovered, but not at 100ft or so.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Alinta on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:41pm:

Alinta wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:34pm:

Thankyou.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:02pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:52pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 2:49pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Correct - at that height he should have been flying straight & level
& well above stalling speed.

Its okay to bank but he banked WAY too steeply and no pilot would do that deliberately.

But he shouldn't have been banking at all at that height.
It was too close to the water.

Wrong. Banking is fine at any height as long as it is gentle and appropriate for the aircraft and conditions.

Come on Longy - he wasn't a stunt pilot.

PILOTS BANK AIRCRAFT all the time or do you think they all fly in just a straight line? Banking at any height is fine when done properly

Pilots don't bank aircraft at that height & at such a speed which
is too close to the stalling speed.

I confirm now that you don't have a BSc.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:12pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:52pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 2:49pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Correct - at that height he should have been flying straight & level
& well above stalling speed.

Its okay to bank but he banked WAY too steeply and no pilot would do that deliberately.

But he shouldn't have been banking at all at that height.
It was too close to the water.

Wrong. Banking is fine at any height as long as it is gentle and appropriate for the aircraft and conditions.

Come on Longy - he wasn't a stunt pilot.

PILOTS BANK AIRCRAFT all the time or do you think they all fly in just a straight line? Banking at any height is fine when done properly

Pilots don't bank aircraft at that height & at such a speed which
is too close to the stalling speed.

I confirm now that you don't have a BSc.

what idiot thinks a BSc has anything to do with flying a plane? Why must you so often and so dramatically demonstrate your ignorance and stupidity?

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:14pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:12pm:

what idiot thinks a BSc has anything to do with flying a plane? Why must you so often and so dramatically demonstrate your ignorance and stupidity?

People with a BSc think in a scientific way.
They would understand the obvious facts that I stated.

Those facts are not obvious to uneducated or non technical people.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:45pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:12pm:

what idiot thinks a BSc has anything to do with flying a plane? Why must you so often and so dramatically demonstrate your ignorance and stupidity?

People with a BSc think in a scientific way.
They would understand the obvious facts that I stated.

Those facts are not obvious to uneducated or non technical people.

very little seems obvious to you, you cretinous ignorant twit.

Flying a plane has noting to do with your academic credentials as pretty much everyone else understands.

Go back to your lover, nail. he/she/it can tell you what to think - as always.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by The Grappler on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:46pm

Engine problems? Control problems? Structural problems? All sorts of things can happen... I often wonder how many of those aircraft losses in WW II - the greatest air battles of all time - were due to failures and collisions, as occur at airshows all the time....

There was a play written once called 'All My Sons' - about an aircraft component that was faulty and caused crashes and deaths...

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:51pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:12pm:

what idiot thinks a BSc has anything to do with flying a plane? Why must you so often and so dramatically demonstrate your ignorance and stupidity?

People with a BSc think in a scientific way.
They would understand the obvious facts that I stated.

Those facts are not obvious to uneducated or non technical people.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:58pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:12pm:

what idiot thinks a BSc has anything to do with flying a plane? Why must you so often and so dramatically demonstrate your ignorance and stupidity?

People with a BSc think in a scientific way.
They would understand the obvious facts that I stated.

Those facts are not obvious to uneducated or non technical people.

That all he's got people -
argumentum ad hominem & a false gay slur -

when he's lost the argument.

never mind - as a christian - I forgiven him.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:04pm

Longy,
The rapture will happen soon be prepared. Know and believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sins and sins of the world shed his blood and rose three days later from the grave and went back to heaven to prepare a place. Turn away from your sins and ask forgiveness and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Personal Saviour. God will forgive your sins no matter what they are.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Mistress Nicole on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:06pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:04pm:

Comes out with an off topic irrelevant bible bash mid thread. Love it!

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:07pm

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:04pm:

Comes out with an off topic irrelevant bible bash mid thread. Love it!

But it was well deserved. ;D

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Aussie on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:16pm

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:04pm:

Comes out with an off topic irrelevant bible bash mid thread. Love it!

Who made you the Chair Umpire? This is about two people whose lives have been snuffed, and you want that stupid crap to take off in your useless quest?

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:20pm

At that height he should have been flying straight & level
& well above stalling speed.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:20pm

cods wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:36pm:

hes not the only expert on light aircraft flying.. on here..

it reminds me of Lisa... ::) ::).. a degree in everything... ;D ;D

If it's mechanical the investigators will find it and know ..

a) Which mechanic was assigned to do the maintainance on that failed part ...
b) Which shift supervisor signed off on his work.

This last is notorious for supervisors signing off work they didn't actually check in person.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Gordon on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:22pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:46pm:

:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-ecL2DGszc

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:23pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 2:49pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Most likely it was wind-shear that lifted the right wing fatally.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:25pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:31pm:

Its okay to bank but he banked WAY too steeply and no pilot would do that deliberately.

Correction: No experienced pilot.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:26pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 4:52pm:

But he shouldn't have been banking at all at that height.
It was too close to the water.

Correct.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:28pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

Wrong. Banking is fine at any height as long as it is gentle and appropriate for the aircraft and conditions.

Pilot error.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:30pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:35pm:

you really are a non-expert on so many things...

tsk. There you go getting your panties in a twist again.

Pilot Error.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:32pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:12pm:

what idiot thinks a BSc has anything to do with flying a plane? Why must you so often and so dramatically demonstrate your ignorance and stupidity?

There you go with the personal insults again. Try to be a little more adult, will you?

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:37pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:46pm:

One of the most horrific statistics I came across in my reading was that over one thousand trainee pilots in the UK lost their lives during WWII.

I'm now reading a book about the air force pilots based on the east coast of Britain during WWII, and what that whole experience was like for them. It makes for very slow reading because you find yourself stopping to think about what those poor guys went through and the terror they had to deal with 24 hours a day. The statistics on every page is mind-blowing for the horrors those poor young fellows had to face every moment of their waking day.

'Men of Air' by Kevin Wilson. It should be required reading in every school to inspire appreciation for how much we owe to all those service men and women who defeated tyranny in Europe and the Pacific sphere.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:52pm

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:04pm:

Comes out with an off topic irrelevant bible bash mid thread. Love it!

;D ;D ;D

Sir Bobby meant 'Raptor' I'm sure, but wind-shear caused him to bank steeply in the direction of The Heavenly Father ...

Here's the real 'Raptor'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S660TKzoZ6g

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by John Smith on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 9:23pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:37pm:

One of the most horrific statistics I came across in my reading was that over one thousand trainee pilots in the UK lost their lives during WWII.

what do you expect from poms.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Gordon on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 9:25pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 9:23pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:37pm:

One of the most horrific statistics I came across in my reading was that over one thousand trainee pilots in the UK lost their lives during WWII.

what do you expect from poms.

Nice

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Setanta on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 9:30pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 9:23pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:37pm:

One of the most horrific statistics I came across in my reading was that over one thousand trainee pilots in the UK lost their lives during WWII.

what do you expect from poms.

At least they never decimated their servicemen. ;)

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Rhino on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 9:33pm

Dont know about his experience but he was showing off, he banked too close to the river and stalled.
He was a very wealthy businessman with 3 kids and his girlfriend an Indonesian model. She was 30 he was 52.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by John Smith on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 10:00pm

Setanta wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 9:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 9:23pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:37pm:

One of the most horrific statistics I came across in my reading was that over one thousand trainee pilots in the UK lost their lives during WWII.

what do you expect from poms.

At least they never decimated their servicemen. ;)

no, they decimated ours.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 10:00pm

Pilot error, the cause of most crashes.

As for stall speeds-
45 degree bank stall speed increases by 20%
60 degree bank stall speed increases by 41%
75 degree bank stall speed increases by 100%

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Setanta on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 10:08pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 9:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 9:23pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:37pm:

One of the most horrific statistics I came across in my reading was that over one thousand trainee pilots in the UK lost their lives during WWII.

what do you expect from poms.

At least they never decimated their servicemen. ;)

no, they decimated ours.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by The Grappler on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 12:41am

John Smith wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 9:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 9:23pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:37pm:

One of the most horrific statistics I came across in my reading was that over one thousand trainee pilots in the UK lost their lives during WWII.

what do you expect from poms.

At least they never decimated their servicemen. ;)

no, they decimated ours.

Aircrew in WWII had the highest casualty rates.....

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by The Grappler on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 10:19am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

Wrong. Banking is fine at any height as long as it is gentle and appropriate for the aircraft and conditions.

Pilot error.

Well - he is a business man or was - and that means he wasn't really a pro pilot.. more like pilot terror if you ask me. Another weekender bites the water...... pity about the Mallard though - they're hard to come by....

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 10:59am

John Smith wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 9:23pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:37pm:

One of the most horrific statistics I came across in my reading was that over one thousand trainee pilots in the UK lost their lives during WWII.

what do you expect from poms.

Yet another ethnic with a complex.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Marla on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 11:01am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 10:19am:

He was white flying a white plane.

Obviously, his racism killed him.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 11:04am

rhino wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 9:33pm:

Ah. He was demonstrating that despite his age he was still vital and virile and capable of Alpha-male Aqua-stunts both in the air and in the boudoir.

Poor fellow. He obviously over-compensated in his eagerness to prove to the floozy that he no more needed Viagra in bed than he needing it in the petrol tank.

Even so, very tragic.

And the moral of the story is : If you're over 50 then leave your acrobatics for the bed and not in the cock-pit with a pretty girl.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 11:13am

Marla wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 11:01am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 10:19am:

He was white flying a white plane.

Obviously, his racism killed him.

Oh Jesus, here she is again. Yesterday she had ... 'The average adult human brain has about 100 billion cells. Linked by synapses, each brain cell can connect to tens of thousands of other brain cells' ... but due to certain habits of a respiratory nature her today's count is WAY less than 100 billion.

Mantra has told me I'm (too) nice to you girls, so what do you think, bitch?!

True or false? >:(

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 11:14am

Marla wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 11:01am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 10:19am:

He was white flying a white plane.

Obviously, his racism killed him.

He had an Indonesian dark lady sitting in the cock-pit with him ...

Would you like to edit the above?

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by BigOl64 on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 11:20am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:52pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:04pm:

Comes out with an off topic irrelevant bible bash mid thread. Love it!

Angles are irrelevant if you have power. :) :)

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by The Grappler on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 12:16pm

This is what we need, Herb....

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Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 1:36pm

I'm very impressed with these new little planes with parachutes.

link

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Aussie on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 1:41pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 1:36pm:

I'm very impressed with these new little planes with parachutes.

link

That link is weird. Crap. Put a warning in your post Herbert so others do not click on it.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Rhino on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 2:01pm

Nothing wrong with that link.

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Fireball on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 2:14pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 9:23pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:37pm:

One of the most horrific statistics I came across in my reading was that over one thousand trainee pilots in the UK lost their lives during WWII.

what do you expect from poms.

And yet the RAF put many more wops in the ground by the time the cowards held their hands up in surrender, oh yes, when they stopped running away.......gutless little greaseballs..... ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Fireball on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 2:18pm

From what I've read on this crash, I have to agree with you Herb, but I'd call it pilot stupidity not error. He was showing off to his young girlfriend........he apparently left his wife and three kids for her.....

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Aussie on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 2:30pm

rhino wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 2:01pm:

Nothing wrong with that link.

As soon as my curser moves, the page goes to 'blur.'

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 3:38pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 11:20am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:52pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:04pm:

Comes out with an off topic irrelevant bible bash mid thread. Love it!

Angles are irrelevant if you have power. :) :)

true.... but not really relevant since very few can afford a $50M plane. Although... we can wish!

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 5:23pm

But WAIT - there's MORE!

The Russians have just released news of their new ...

link

Title: Re: Didn't have a clue how to fly a plane.
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 6:32pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 11:20am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:52pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 7:04pm:

Comes out with an off topic irrelevant bible bash mid thread. Love it!

Angles are irrelevant if you have power. :) :)

My post was about forgiveness for Longy.