Science and reason are up for one hell of a fight under the Trump administration. We now live in the Orwellian world of “alternative facts”, which are like facts, but bullshit. It’s surely only a matter of time before the Ministry of Truth is set up.

Right off the bat, controversial oil pipelines have been resurrected on the very same day Trump claimed to the automobile industry that he’s an “environmentalist.” References to climate change have been eradicated from the White House website, with orders for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to follow suit. Clean power plans have been scuttled, various scientific agencies are having their Twitter accounts censured, and scientific funding is being bled dry.

Now, as internal memos published by BuzzFeed have revealed, federal scientists were also briefly muzzled from speaking about their work with the press.

The EPA, the US Department of Agriculture (USDA), the Department of Health and Human Services, the Department of Transportation and the National Park Service – all of which contain thousands upon thousands of taxpayer-funded scientists – were told a few days ago to cease and desist any form of communication with the public and the media when it came to their research.

Although still allowed to publish in scientific journals, any reference to their work in any other form would have been banned. News releases, photographs, infographics, fact sheets, and any social media content on Facebook, Twitter, and elsewhere would be prohibited in any form, according to the memos.

They did not explicitly reference President Trump or his new administration, but this is the only authority such a widespread gagging order could have originated from. However, at the time of writing, the administrator of the scientific wing of the USDA rescinded this muzzling order.

There’s no update as of yet on whether or not the other federal agencies have decided to fight back against this information suppression.

It’s worth noting that these agencies ramped up their investigations into climate change and environmental protection under the Obama administration. The climate change denial aspects of Trump and his cabinet has been extensively covered, so it comes as no surprise that they’re attempting to silence their communications to the public.

Worryingly, this is a tactic that has been recently seen in other democracies around the world, including in Canada (under the Harper administration) and right now in the UK.

Although many US governments have to some degree ordered scientists to keep quiet about certain research topics (particularly during a government changeover, as seen during the Bush-Obama transition) the speed at which the Trump administration is apparently seeking to muzzle America’s scientists is astonishing, to say the least.

“To our knowledge, there is not a precedent for large-scale communication freezes like this,” Gretchen Goldman, research director for the Center for Science and Democracy at the Union of Concerned Scientists, told BuzzFeed News.

It’s difficult to completely ban scientists from researching on a particular topic. However, by preventing researchers from even talking about their work, they are clearly hoping the public will stop paying attention to the dangerously warming world and the increasingly decrepit environment around them.

Of course, scientists aren’t going to just stand by and let this happen. They are making it exceedingly clear, through protests, open letters, data salvaging, clever hashtags, and even renegade Twitter accounts, that they will not be silenced.

Ladies and gentlemen, fans of science and reason – welcome to the Resistance.

The Donald is dismantling the  ministry of truth.

Under Article 2 he is the boss.

Get used to it swampy, your gravy train just got terminated.

Raven wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 4:34am:

Science and reason are up for one hell of a fight under the Trump administration.

Raven wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 4:34am:

... many US governments have to some degree ordered scientists to keep quiet about certain research topics.

Quote:

Right off the bat, controversial oil pipelines have been resurrected on the very same day Trump claimed to the automobile industry that he’s an “environmentalist.”

The problem? The pipe-line will go through an injun reservation where the bulldozers will have their work cut out for them removing mountains of empty beer bottles to make room for the pipe-line ...  ;D 


Quote:

References to climate change have been eradicated from the White House website, with orders for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to follow suit.

It's wonderful news that at last a realist is in the driver's seat who isn't going to pander to the multi-billion dollar Victimhood Industry that has grown up around the mythology of an anthropogenic Climate Change 'narrative'.

My only gripe against Trump so far is his anti-abortion stance.



Thank you Raven. Please keep us informed of further developments.  8-)

Raven wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 4:34am:

Science and reason are up for one hell of a fight under the Trump administration. We now live in the Orwellian world of “alternative facts”, which are like facts, but bullshit. It’s surely only a matter of time before the Ministry of Truth is set up. Right off the bat, controversial oil pipelines have been resurrected on the very same day Trump claimed to the automobile industry that he’s an “environmentalist.” References to climate change have been eradicated from the White House website, with orders for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to follow suit. Clean power plans have been scuttled, various scientific agencies are having their Twitter accounts censured, and scientific funding is being bled dry. Now, as internal memos published by BuzzFeed have revealed, federal scientists were also briefly muzzled from speaking about their work with the press. The EPA, the US Department of Agriculture (USDA), the Department of Health and Human Services, the Department of Transportation and the National Park Service – all of which contain thousands upon thousands of taxpayer-funded scientists – were told a few days ago to cease and desist any form of communication with the public and the media when it came to their research. Although still allowed to publish in scientific journals, any reference to their work in any other form would have been banned. News releases, photographs, infographics, fact sheets, and any social media content on Facebook, Twitter, and elsewhere would be prohibited in any form, according to the memos. They did not explicitly reference President Trump or his new administration, but this is the only authority such a widespread gagging order could have originated from. However, at the time of writing, the administrator of the scientific wing of the USDA rescinded this muzzling order. There’s no update as of yet on whether or not the other federal agencies have decided to fight back against this information suppression. It’s worth noting that these agencies ramped up their investigations into climate change and environmental protection under the Obama administration. The climate change denial aspects of Trump and his cabinet has been extensively covered, so it comes as no surprise that they’re attempting to silence their communications to the public. Worryingly, this is a tactic that has been recently seen in other democracies around the world, including in Canada (under the Harper administration) and right now in the UK. Although many US governments have to some degree ordered scientists to keep quiet about certain research topics (particularly during a government changeover, as seen during the Bush-Obama transition) the speed at which the Trump administration is apparently seeking to muzzle America’s scientists is astonishing, to say the least. “To our knowledge, there is not a precedent for large-scale communication freezes like this,” Gretchen Goldman, research director for the Center for Science and Democracy at the Union of Concerned Scientists, told BuzzFeed News. It’s difficult to completely ban scientists from researching on a particular topic. However, by preventing researchers from even talking about their work, they are clearly hoping the public will stop paying attention to the dangerously warming world and the increasingly decrepit environment around them. Of course, scientists aren’t going to just stand by and let this happen. They are making it exceedingly clear, through protests, open letters, data salvaging, clever hashtags, and even renegade Twitter accounts, that they will not be silenced. Ladies and gentlemen, fans of science and reason – welcome to the Resistance.

Im not fan of the climate change con, but this disturbs me greatly. Perhaps it is because Trump's reasoning is not to oppose climate chance based on facts or logic, but on ideology. He is opposed to science itself, not just climate science. He wants to shut down the EPA or at least cripple it so it can no longer do its job effectively. and the EPA is basically... science in the environment.

Every day we get yet another reason to fear and mock Trump and the idiots who gave him the job.

I remember when the USA was a democracy.

Where are all the freedom of speech nuts when you need them ?

Isn't the freedom of speech a constitutional right in the USA ?

Does this mean that The Trump presidency have breached the US constitution ?

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 8:23am:

I remember when the USA was a democracy. Where are all the freedom of speech nuts when you need them ? Isn't the freedom of speech a constitutional right in the USA ? Does this mean that The Trump presidency have breached the US constitution ?

Freedom to speak in the workplace is another thing altogether. If your job requires you to not speak to the public or whatever than you are free to quit and then speak.

It is concerning, but the right to speak does not give you freedom from consequences - such as losing your job.

I suspect what we are going to get is some form of the 'Ministry of Truth' where all information from all departments will be filtered through the White house and the last few days has clearly shown that it will me massaged and altered to fit a narrative.

George Bush created the Dept of Homeland Security. Trump will create the Department for Alternative Facts.

Rider wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 5:29am:

The Donald is dismantling the  ministry of truth. Under Article 2 he is the boss. Get used to it swampy, your gravy train just got terminated.

X 2

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 8:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 8:23am: I remember when the USA was a democracy. Where are all the freedom of speech nuts when you need them ? Isn't the freedom of speech a constitutional right in the USA ? Does this mean that The Trump presidency have breached the US constitution ? Freedom to speak in the workplace is another thing altogether. If your job requires you to not speak to the public or whatever than you are free to quit and then speak. It is concerning, but the right to speak does not give you freedom from consequences - such as losing your job. I suspect what we are going to get is some form of the 'Ministry of Truth' where all information from all departments will be filtered through the White house and the last few days has clearly shown that it will me massaged and altered to fit a narrative. George Bush created the Dept of Homeland Security. Trump will create the Department for Alternative Facts.

I missed that they were all employed with the government, still blocking the release of science is a very bad look.

Trump needs a minister for shooting the messenger.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 8:33am:

Rider wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 5:29am: The Donald is dismantling the  ministry of truth. Under Article 2 he is the boss. Get used to it swampy, your gravy train just got terminated. X 2

Trump is trying to hide valid scientific research - you guys would support anything he does in multiple apparently.

This is a disgrace in any terms.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 9:13am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 8:33am: Rider wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 5:29am: The Donald is dismantling the  ministry of truth. Under Article 2 he is the boss. Get used to it swampy, your gravy train just got terminated. X 2 Trump is trying to hide valid scientific research - you guys would support anything he does in multiple apparently. This is a disgrace in any terms.

Agreed. It seems at this stage at least, that he wants to control the entire message of the entire government which can only be bad. It is ironic that with all his claims of rigged elections and fake new, the one really effective way to 'rig elections and send out fake news' is to do exactly what he is doing now.

Raven wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 4:34am:

The EPA, the US Department of Agriculture (USDA), the Department of Health and Human Services, the Department of Transportation and the National Park Service – all of which contain thousands upon thousands of taxpayer-funded scientists – were told a few days ago to cease and desist any form of communication with the public and the media when it came to their research.

You mean they should only go through PR people like in any large organisation? How terrible. Imagine if a cleaner from tha ATO gave an interview on practises.


Raven wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 4:34am:

References to climate change have been eradicated from the White House website

Not true. They have been archived under Obama as previous things have been posted under their particular Presidents.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/energy/climate-change

So Buzzfeed is a trusted source right?

lee wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:23am:

Raven wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 4:34am: The EPA, the US Department of Agriculture (USDA), the Department of Health and Human Services, the Department of Transportation and the National Park Service – all of which contain thousands upon thousands of taxpayer-funded scientists – were told a few days ago to cease and desist any form of communication with the public and the media when it came to their research. You mean they should only go through PR people like in any large organisation? How terrible. Imagine if a cleaner from tha ATO gave an interview on practises. Raven wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 4:34am: References to climate change have been eradicated from the White House website Not true. They have been archived under Obama as previous things have been posted under their particular Presidents. https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/energy/climate-change So Buzzfeed is a trusted source right?

but they ARENT going through PR. They are now having to be processed by the WHite house. You dont think those messages might be largely discarded and the rest politically massaged?

lee wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:23am:

Raven wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 4:34am: The EPA, the US Department of Agriculture (USDA), the Department of Health and Human Services, the Department of Transportation and the National Park Service – all of which contain thousands upon thousands of taxpayer-funded scientists – were told a few days ago to cease and desist any form of communication with the public and the media when it came to their research. You mean they should only go through PR people like in any large organisation? How terrible. Imagine if a cleaner from tha ATO gave an interview on practises. Raven wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 4:34am: References to climate change have been eradicated from the White House website Not true. They have been archived under Obama as previous things have been posted under their particular Presidents. https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/energy/climate-change So Buzzfeed is a trusted source right?

Stop doing a peccahead and playing the pedantry game. Raven is right. Archives are not the same as the actual current website.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:32am:

Raven is right. Archives are not the same as the actual current website.

But the current website is for the current President. Capiche?

Why would an ex-President feature on a new President's website?

It is not pedantry; it is fact. See if you can find Carter's stuff on Clinton's website.

Why are you so desperate to find fault?

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:01am:

but they ARENT going through PR. They are now having to be processed by the WHite house. You dont think those messages might be largely discarded and the rest politically massaged?

And you don't think disgruntled employees would issue politically massaged messages? :D :D :D :D

lee wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 11:32am: Raven is right. Archives are not the same as the actual current website. But the current website is for the current President. Capiche? Why would an ex-President feature on a new President's website? It is not pedantry; it is fact. See if you can find Carter's stuff on Clinton's website. Why are you so desperate to find fault?

Raven said all reference to climate change have been removed from the website and then you said "no, because of archives. NOW you are saying it isnt on the website because it is... archived.

You might want to try a consistent message.

You are trying very hard to NOT find fault with Trump. Why is that so? after all, it isnt hard to do.

lee wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 11:01am: but they ARENT going through PR. They are now having to be processed by the WHite house. You dont think those messages might be largely discarded and the rest politically massaged? And you don't think disgruntled employees would issue politically massaged messages? :D :D :D :D

okay then... so moving to australia, you think absolutely no twitter, press releases, emails or any communication outside of any government department should be permitted until it has been approved by the Prime Ministers Department.

How do you think that would work out? I can tell you now what next months unemployment figure will be  3.0%. And our trade figures? MAGNIFICENT. Crime will be down and the budget will be in surplus.

And for all you know - or CAN know - that's the truth.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:12pm:

Raven said all reference to climate change have been removed from the website and then you said "no, because of archives. NOW you are saying it isnt on the website because it is... archived. You might want to try a consistent message.

Yes. Raven is absolutely correct. Of course she didn't go on to say that the pages were archived. So skewing the story. Funny that.

lee wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 2:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 1:12pm: Raven said all reference to climate change have been removed from the website and then you said "no, because of archives. NOW you are saying it isnt on the website because it is... archived. You might want to try a consistent message. Yes. Raven is absolutely correct. Of course she didn't go on to say that the pages were archived. So skewing the story. Funny that.

nothing funny about it at all, trumpoid.

You and pecca should go on a date and complain endlessly and pointlessly about the meaning of the word 'date'.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 4:21pm:

nothing funny about it at all, trumpoid.

No there's not. Really sad trying too score political points. Edit: And missing.


longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 4:21pm:

You and pecca should go on a date and complain endlessly and pointlessly about the meaning of the word 'date'.

Maybe you could date yourself and convince yourself "shut it down" means "cripple". ;)

lee wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 5:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 4:21pm: nothing funny about it at all, trumpoid. No there's not. Really sad trying too score political points. Edit: And missing. longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 4:21pm: You and pecca should go on a date and complain endlessly and pointlessly about the meaning of the word 'date'. Maybe you could date yourself and convince yourself "shut it down" means "cripple". ;)

And you could convince yourself that being such an anti-environmentalist that he wants to close the EPA is even a sane policy. Can you really support such idiocy regardless of 'cripple' or 'shut it down'? You are purposely avoiding the question while laughingly denying your absolute and clearly unquestioning support for Trumpism and its dangerous actions.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 5:46pm:

And you could convince yourself that being such an anti-environmentalist that he wants to close the EPA is even a sane policy.

1. You know nothing about me.

2. Is "close the EPA" the same as "shut it down"? Do you have any proof this time? Apart from the media that is. You know direct quotes?

Why do conservatives not believe any science produced since the 1950's that isn't about weaponry ?

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 5:53pm:

Why do conservatives not believe any science produced since the 1950's that isn't about weaponry ?

Did you mean Science or "Climate Science^TM"?

lee wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 5:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 5:46pm: And you could convince yourself that being such an anti-environmentalist that he wants to close the EPA is even a sane policy. 1. You know nothing about me. 2. Is "close the EPA" the same as "shut it down"? Do you have any proof this time? Apart from the media that is. You know direct quotes?

you simply MUST be peccahead out of drag. Who else would try and debate the apparent difference between "close the EPA' and 'shut down the EPA'

Of course, a simple thing to do would be to say that you oppose the removal or significant degradation of environmental protections. You wont tho. Your King Trump has told you what to think.

lee wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 5:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 5:46pm: And you could convince yourself that being such an anti-environmentalist that he wants to close the EPA is even a sane policy. 1. You know nothing about me. 2. Is "close the EPA" the same as "shut it down"? Do you have any proof this time? Apart from the media that is. You know direct quotes?

Will you believe if it comes out of Trumps mouth ??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c3xqKTx7aw

lee wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 5:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 5:53pm: Why do conservatives not believe any science produced since the 1950's that isn't about weaponry ? Did you mean Science or "Climate ScienceTM"?

Have a look at the topic it's fairly obvious.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 5:53pm:

Why do conservatives not believe any science produced since the 1950's that isn't about weaponry ?

Dont be stupid DNA. You are acting as narrow-minded and ignorant as Trump when you talk like that. Surely by now you have worked out that not all conservatives are like Trump and in fact, the vast majority are not.

BTW, a majority of scientists are actually right-wing conservatives. The left tend to be more into humanities and Gender Studies. ACtually working in the Environmental Science arena, you could call Shorten a tosser in a room of such people and be lucky to get an objection. IN a gender studies class room of course, anyone right of Lee Rhiannon is considered and enemy. It would be problematic if any of these people actually did anything of note or effect. But they dont. They largely teach other people Gender studies.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 6:10pm:

Have a look at the topic it's fairly obvious.

You do know the EPA doesn't do Climate Science? It gets its information from NOAA, GISS, NASA etc and then repeats it. So why the screams?

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 6:09pm:

Will you believe if it comes out of Trumps mouth ??

"In almost every forum" doesn't sound like he is closing it down.

lee wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 6:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 6:10pm: Have a look at the topic it's fairly obvious. You do know the EPA doesn't do Climate Science? It gets its information from NOAA, GISS, NASA etc and then repeats it. So why the screams?

I didn't mention the EPA  however they are heavily involved in scientific research , you just made that one up in the hope that nobody would really know.


Quote:

Role of Science at EPA EPA is one of the world’s leading environmental and human health research organizations. Science provides the foundation for Agency policies, actions, and decisions made on behalf of the American people. Our research incorporates science and engineering that meets the highest standards for integrity, peer review, transparency, and ethics. The process of incorporating high-quality science into Agency decision-making is coordinated by science organizations within the Agency. It is guided by EPA's scientific integrity policies. In addition, the Agency’s stringent scientific peer review processes are designed to ensure that all EPA decisions are founded on credible science and data. Agency science continues to have far-reaching, and lasting positive impacts:

ouch  ;D ;D ;D

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 6:51pm:

Quote: Role of Science at EPA EPA is one of the world’s leading environmental and human health research organizations. Science provides the foundation for Agency policies, actions, and decisions made on behalf of the American people. Our research incorporates science and engineering that meets the highest standards for integrity, peer review, transparency, and ethics. The process of incorporating high-quality science into Agency decision-making is coordinated by science organizations within the Agency. It is guided by EPA's scientific integrity policies. In addition, the Agency’s stringent scientific peer review processes are designed to ensure that all EPA decisions are founded on credible science and data. Agency science continues to have far-reaching, and lasting positive impacts:

Now show me in the quote where they say Climate Research?

lee wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 6:51pm: Quote: Role of Science at EPA EPA is one of the world’s leading environmental and human health research organizations. Science provides the foundation for Agency policies, actions, and decisions made on behalf of the American people. Our research incorporates science and engineering that meets the highest standards for integrity, peer review, transparency, and ethics. The process of incorporating high-quality science into Agency decision-making is coordinated by science organizations within the Agency. It is guided by EPA's scientific integrity policies. In addition, the Agency’s stringent scientific peer review processes are designed to ensure that all EPA decisions are founded on credible science and data. Agency science continues to have far-reaching, and lasting positive impacts: Now show me in the quote where they say Climate Research?

EPA is one of the world’s leading environmental and human health research organizations.

Don't know why comprehension is so tough for conservatives ?

https://www.epa.gov/aboutepa/about-air-climate-and-energy-research-program


Quote:

About the Air, Climate, and Energy Research Program   What We Do EPA’s Air, Climate, and Energy research program examines the interplay between air pollution, climate change, and the dynamic energy sector to develop innovative and sustainable solutions for improving air quality and taking action on climate change. The results of the research efforts support policies that have far-reaching and positive impact across the nation. Air, Climate, and Energy Strategic Research Action Plan National Program Director Dan Costa, Sc.D., DABT •Biography •Email: costa.dan@epa.gov •Phone: 919-541-2532 Deputy Director Alan Vette, Ph.D.

https://www.epa.gov/aboutepa#pane-5


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Office of Research and Development Laboratories These labs develop knowledge, assessments, and scientific tools that form the underpinnings of the vast majority of EPA's protective standards and guidance. National Center for Computational Toxicology National Center for Environmental Assessment National Center for Environmental Research National Exposure Research Laboratory National Health and Environmental Effects Research Laboratory National Homeland Security Research Center National Risk Management Research Laboratory Office of Research and Development Research Programs Six national research programs engage with outside partners and EPA programs and offices to identify the research priorities that are important for achieving EPA’s strategic goals and objectives. Air, Climate, and Energy Research Program Chemical Safety for Sustainability Research Program Human Health Risk Assessment Program Homeland Security Research Program Safe and Sustainable Water Resources Research Program Sustainable and Healthy Communities Research Program Program Office Laboratories These labs directly support regulatory implementation, compliance, and enforcement at a national level. For example, the National Vehicle and Fuel Emissions Laboratory performs motor vehicle standards testing. Office of Air and Radiation labs and research centers: National Air and Radiation Environmental Laboratory National Center for Radiation Field Operations National Vehicle and Fuel Emissions Laboratory Office of Chemical Safety and Pollution Prevention labs: Analytical Chemistry Laboratory Microbiology Laboratory Regional Laboratories These labs provide scientific data that support the Regional environmental programs' needs for immediate information to make decisions. Region 1's New England Regional Laboratory Region 2's Laboratory at EPA's Edison (New Jersey) Environmental Center Region 3's Laboratory and Field Services at EPA's Environmental Science Center Region 4's Science and Ecosystem Support Division Region 5's Chicago Regional Laboratory Region 6's Environmental Services Branch Laboratory Region 7's Science and Technology Center Region 8's Central Regional Laboratory Region 9's Central Regional Laboratory Region 10's Manchester Environmental Laboratory Learn more about Regional science and technology organizations at EPA Why are our labs located where they are? Read a historical perspective on siting our facilities. Science Advisory Organizations Learn about the functions of these organizations Internal Science Advisory Organizations Office of Science Policy Office of the Science Advisor Science and Technology Policy Council Independent/External Science Advisory Organizations Advisory Council on Clean Air Compliance Board of Scientific Counselors Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee National Advisory Council for Environmental Policy and Technology Science Advisory Board

This is the group that you tried to say do not do science ?

"EPA's National Center for Environmental Assessment (NCEA) is a leader in the science of human health and ecological risk assessment, a robust scientific process used to determine how pollutants or other stressors may impact human health and the environment. "

https://www.epa.gov/aboutepa/about-national-center-environmental-assessment-ncea

Not climate science

"EPA’s National Center for Environmental Research (NCER) supports funding for high-quality research by the nation's leading scientists and engineers that will improve the scientific basis for decisions on national environmental issues. "

https://www.epa.gov/aboutepa/about-national-center-environmental-research-ncer

Same.


Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 7:38pm:

his is the group that you tried to say do not do science ?

Climate science.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 7:31pm:

https://www.epa.gov/aboutepa/about-air-climate-and-energy-research-program

Ah, yes. The research that came up with PM2.5. Those pesky particles that include dust, pollens, Aromatics (terpenes) etc. that occur naturally as well as smoke, exhaust emissions etc.

The EPA wanted to fine cross border PM2.5 particle polluters. Can you tell me how you would differentiate between sources of natural PM 2.5? How about fuel particulates that cross state lines?

That is the type of "research" EPA climate does. ;)

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 7:38pm:

https://www.epa.gov/aboutepa#pane-5 Quote: Office of Research and Development Laboratories These labs develop knowledge, assessments, and scientific tools that form the underpinnings of the vast majority of EPA's protective standards and guidance. National Center for Computational Toxicology National Center for Environmental Assessment National Center for Environmental Research National Exposure Research Laboratory National Health and Environmental Effects Research Laboratory National Homeland Security Research Center National Risk Management Research Laboratory Office of Research and Development Research Programs Six national research programs engage with outside partners and EPA programs and offices to identify the research priorities that are important for achieving EPA’s strategic goals and objectives. Air, Climate, and Energy Research Program Chemical Safety for Sustainability Research Program Human Health Risk Assessment Program Homeland Security Research Program Safe and Sustainable Water Resources Research Program Sustainable and Healthy Communities Research Program Program Office Laboratories These labs directly support regulatory implementation, compliance, and enforcement at a national level. For example, the National Vehicle and Fuel Emissions Laboratory performs motor vehicle standards testing. Office of Air and Radiation labs and research centers: National Air and Radiation Environmental Laboratory National Center for Radiation Field Operations National Vehicle and Fuel Emissions Laboratory Office of Chemical Safety and Pollution Prevention labs: Analytical Chemistry Laboratory Microbiology Laboratory Regional Laboratories These labs provide scientific data that support the Regional environmental programs' needs for immediate information to make decisions. Region 1's New England Regional Laboratory Region 2's Laboratory at EPA's Edison (New Jersey) Environmental Center Region 3's Laboratory and Field Services at EPA's Environmental Science Center Region 4's Science and Ecosystem Support Division Region 5's Chicago Regional Laboratory Region 6's Environmental Services Branch Laboratory Region 7's Science and Technology Center Region 8's Central Regional Laboratory Region 9's Central Regional Laboratory Region 10's Manchester Environmental Laboratory Learn more about Regional science and technology organizations at EPA Why are our labs located where they are? Read a historical perspective on siting our facilities. Science Advisory Organizations Learn about the functions of these organizations Internal Science Advisory Organizations Office of Science Policy Office of the Science Advisor Science and Technology Policy Council Independent/External Science Advisory Organizations Advisory Council on Clean Air Compliance Board of Scientific Counselors Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee National Advisory Council for Environmental Policy and Technology Science Advisory Board This is the group that you tried to say do not do science ?

Thank you for demonstrating the incredible over reach of bureaucracy. 

It will be awesome to witness it all shutting down and getting the hell out of the way.

Swamp draining has commenced. 

lee wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 6:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 6:09pm: Will you believe if it comes out of Trumps mouth ?? "In almost every forum" doesn't sound like he is closing it down.

and the endless Trump-defence continues.  You are one of 'them' the mindless Trumpoid.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 8:35pm:

lee wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 6:45pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 6:09pm: Will you believe if it comes out of Trumps mouth ?? "In almost every forum" doesn't sound like he is closing it down. and the endless Trump-defence continues.  You are one of 'them' the mindless Trumpoid.

Not my fault if you go all girly hysterical. You make the claims and can't back them up.

Nor your offsider with the video.

Try posting facts instead hysterical Girls' Own pulp fiction.