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Message started by AiA on Jan 24th, 2017 at 3:44am

Title: the only book that matters
Post by AiA on Jan 24th, 2017 at 3:44am
\ˈfək\ that. it is scum like these that the death penalty is for




Father and son accused of rape want ‘only law book that truly matters’ at their trial: The Bible

"A father and son accused of raping a teenage girl over a three-year period and keeping her shackled in a basement have made it clear that they don’t have faith in the law or in the people who practice it."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/01/23/father-son-duo-accused-of-rape-wants-only-law-book-that-truly-matters-at-trial-the-bible/?utm_term=.4cb783c9e0bc&wpisrc=nl_most-draw7&wpmm=1

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 24th, 2017 at 6:33am
Life in a jail that is heavily populated with Negroes - (and aren't they all?). Their  girly milk-maid complexion will ensure they get a lot of appreciative attention from them lonesome homies.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by issuevoter on Jan 24th, 2017 at 6:40am
Here's a wild guess. They don't read books.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by bogarde73 on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:15am
If they were in Australia they'd probably.get out in 15 years and do it again.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by mothra on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:20am
Fundamental religion is a baaaaad thing.

I hope the girl i=who suffered these years of abuse gets all the help she needs to regain what sanity and self assuredness she can.

I suspect she will suffer all her life ... i hope she finds peace.

As for the two perpetrators, i don't have any energy for them. Lock them up ... that is all.

I wonder how long it will take for this thread to become about Islam?

Within 5 posts? 10?

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:39am

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:15am:
If they were in Australia they'd probably.get out in 15 years and do it again.


15?

You can't be serious.

Sentenced to 15 years with a non-parole period of 8, and then probably out by 7 because our jails are filled to bursting.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Gordon on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:42am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:39am:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:15am:
If they were in Australia they'd probably.get out in 15 years and do it again.


15?

You can't be serious.

Sentenced to 15 years with a non-parole period of 8, and then probably out by 7 because our jails are filled to bursting.


In Victoria they'd be out on bail.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:43am

mothra wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:20am:
I wonder how long it will take for this thread to become about Islam?

Within 5 posts? 10?


Their only protection in jail will come from converting to Islam and in this way belong to a protective community in the jails system.

:P

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:48am

Gordon wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:42am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:39am:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:15am:
If they were in Australia they'd probably.get out in 15 years and do it again.


15?

You can't be serious.

Sentenced to 15 years with a non-parole period of 8, and then probably out by 7 because our jails are filled to bursting.


In Victoria they'd be out on bail.


First time offenders.
Deeply remorseful.
Suffered from abusive childhoods.
Was bullied at school.
Bipolar.
Suffer from a depressive illness.
Low IQs.
Always voted 'Democrat'.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Gordon on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:55am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:43am:

mothra wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:20am:
I wonder how long it will take for this thread to become about Islam?

Within 5 posts? 10?


Their only protection in jail will come from converting to Islam and in this way belong to a protective community in the jails system.

:P


I don't think even that will help these crackers.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Gordon on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:59am

mothra wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:20am:
Fundamental religion is a baaaaad thing.


Exactly. Some religions are just having more issues with fundamentalism and Islam is an obvious.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by The Heartless Felon on Jan 24th, 2017 at 9:14am

mothra wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:20am:
Fundamental religion is a baaaaad thing.

I hope the girl i=who suffered these years of abuse gets all the help she needs to regain what sanity and self assuredness she can.

I suspect she will suffer all her life ... i hope she finds peace.

As for the two perpetrators, i don't have any energy for them. Lock them up ... that is all.

I wonder how long it will take for this thread to become about Islam?

Within 5 posts? 10?


You brought Islam into it in post #4...

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Bojack Horseman on Jan 24th, 2017 at 9:19am
If they want to be stoned to death, let them.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Gnads on Jan 24th, 2017 at 10:18am

mothra wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:20am:
Fundamental religion is a baaaaad thing.

I hope the girl i=who suffered these years of abuse gets all the help she needs to regain what sanity and self assuredness she can.

I suspect she will suffer all her life ... i hope she finds peace.

As for the two perpetrators, i don't have any energy for them. Lock them up ... that is all.

I wonder how long it will take for this thread to become about Islam?

Within 5 posts? 10?


As if you didn't want it to be ::)

As if the whole OP of the post wasn't to counter those posts made against Islam & it's followers.

There are a shyte more fundamentalists in one religion(Islam) than in all Christian religions combined.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Leftwinger on Jan 24th, 2017 at 10:57am
Couple of whities going on a rampage , when will it stop

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Yadda on Jan 24th, 2017 at 11:27am







AiA wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 3:44am:
\ˈfək\ that. it is scum like these that the death penalty is for




Father and son accused of rape want ‘only law book that truly matters’ at their trial: The Bible



Sorry AiA, but you hit very wide of your 'mark'.




These two miscreants claiming they have a defence in scripture, for their behaviour, is a false claim.


Leviticus 18:1
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2  Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the LORD your God.
3  After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.


Amos 2:6
Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Israel, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they sold the righteous for silver, and the poor for a pair of shoes;
7  That pant after the dust of the earth on the head of the poor, and turn aside the way of the meek: and a man and his father will go in unto the same maid, to profane my holy name:




Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Yadda on Jan 24th, 2017 at 11:33am

Its time wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 10:57am:
Couple of whities going on a rampage , when will it stop



I don't know.

Men invariably, choose their own path in this life.

All men.




Some men choose to discriminate, between what is good, and what is evil.

Other men, refuse to do so......


THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/



Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 24th, 2017 at 11:41am

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 9:14am:
You brought Islam into it in post #4...



She should be ashamed of herself.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 24th, 2017 at 11:46am

Gnads wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 10:18am:
As if you didn't want it to be ::)

As if the whole OP of the post wasn't to counter those posts made against Islam & it's followers.

There are a shyte more fundamentalists in one religion(Islam) than in all Christian religions combined.


Fundamentalism starts with your daughter and wife wearing a hijab in a Western country despite them being fully aware of the fact that Westerners do not approve of ostentatious displays of religiosity by the laity.

They wear it as an 'up-yours' finger to the Non-Believers.
 

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Raven on Jan 24th, 2017 at 4:49pm
They'll be right at home in prison. The overwhelming majority of prisoners are religious.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Raven on Jan 24th, 2017 at 4:54pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 11:27am:







AiA wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 3:44am:
\ˈfək\ that. it is scum like these that the death penalty is for




Father and son accused of rape want ‘only law book that truly matters’ at their trial: The Bible



Sorry AiA, but you hit very wide of your 'mark'.




These two miscreants claiming they have a defence in scripture, for their behaviour, is a false claim.


Leviticus 18:1
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2  Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the LORD your God.
3  After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.


Amos 2:6
Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Israel, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they sold the righteous for silver, and the poor for a pair of shoes;
7  That pant after the dust of the earth on the head of the poor, and turn aside the way of the meek: and a man and his father will go in unto the same maid, to profane my holy name:


Numbers 31:18
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by John Smith on Jan 24th, 2017 at 4:57pm

Father and son accused of rape want ‘only law book that truly matters’ at their trial: The Bible




they sound like a couple of fine upstanding trump supporters.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Yadda on Jan 24th, 2017 at 11:56pm

Raven wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 4:54pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 11:27am:




AiA wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 3:44am:

Father and son accused of rape want ‘only law book that truly matters’ at their trial: The Bible



Sorry AiA, but you hit very wide of your 'mark'.


These two miscreants claiming they have a defence in scripture, for their behaviour, is a false claim.


Numbers 31:18
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.



To marry,       .....or to keep as a captive female servant.

Not, a sex slave.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1318207654/77#77

Quote:

falah wrote on Oct 13th, 2011 at 10:20am:

Yadda why do you fail to address the rape and sex-slavery sanctioned in the Bible?




falah,

As per usual, you believe that the Bible condones, what ISLAM itself 'legitimises'.

Wrong.



e.g.
Compare what is 'lawful' regards captive women within ISLAM, with what was lawful within Moses law, regards captive women....

Deuteronomy 21:10
When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,
11  And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
12  Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
13  And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.
14  And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.


"....then thou shalt let her go whither she will;....thou shalt not make merchandise of her,"

n.b.
The Hebrew man, if he no longer has a desire for his beautiful wife [a captive of war],
....he must release her.

Give her her freedom.

Because in Biblical times, the concept of a free woman was not unusual.


There is no parallel to this provision, within ISLAMIC law.

Why not ???

Because, within a devout moslem community the concept of a 'free' woman is absurd.

Within a devout moslem community a woman, all women, are the property of some man, ALWAYS.




Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Raven on Jan 25th, 2017 at 12:49am
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;  29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Genesis 19:8
Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

Judges 5:30
“Have they not sped? have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two; to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers colours of needlework, of divers colours of needlework on both sides, meet for the necks of them that take the spoil?

Does Raven need to go on?

Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Yadda on Jan 25th, 2017 at 11:29am

Raven wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 12:49am:

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;  29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Genesis 19:8
Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

Judges 5:30
“Have they not sped? have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two; to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers colours of needlework, of divers colours of needlework on both sides, meet for the necks of them that take the spoil?

Does Raven need to go on?

Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.



OK, i'll play.


#1,

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;  29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.



"...find a damsel that is a virgin,....and they be found;"

In that society, it was very important socially that a woman remain a virgin until her marriage.

i.e.
If a young woman had a reputation as a fornicator, no decent man would want her as a wife.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29, is stating that if a man 'took' hold of a woman [i.e. if he forced her], and she was a woman who was still a virgin, and he was found 'with her', then the law of Moses compelled the man to marry her.

Why so ?

Because the man had destroyed the reputation of that woman, in her society, because he had removed her virginity.

n.b.       In such a case, the virgin or her father could still reject the union, but, if the womans family did not object to marriage, then the man would be compelled, by law, to marry her.



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#2,

Genesis 19:4
But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
5  And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
6  And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
7  And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
8  Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

Lot, had been confronted by violent homosexuals [of his city] who wanted to defile, and rape Lot's guests.

Lot chose, to offer his two daughters, to the violent homosexuals [of his city] [so as to try to save his guests, from the mob of violent homosexuals].

That was a decision made by Lot, a man of his time.

Lot's decision to do that was not a part of God's law [given to Moses].

Lot's decision to do that, had no sanction in holy law.




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#3,

Judges 5:30
“Have they not sped? have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two; to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers colours of needlework, of divers colours of needlework on both sides, meet for the necks of them that take the spoil?


LOL

Raven, in presenting that example, you are showing everyone who reads this, just what an ignorant person you are!

Raven you really are a prize goose aren't you!             ;D             ;D



Sisera was an enemy of the Israelite's, and he was the captain of an enemy army.

In    Judges 5:30      the mother of Sisera, is complaining, "Where is my son, and where is the spoil of battle that he took."



Judges 4:1
And the children of Israel again did evil in the sight of the LORD, when Ehud was dead.
2  And the LORD sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, that reigned in Hazor; the captain of whose host was Sisera, which dwelt in Harosheth of the Gentiles.


Judges 5:28
The mother of Sisera looked out at a window, and cried through the lattice, Why is his chariot so long in coming? why tarry the wheels of his chariots?
29  Her wise ladies answered her, yea, she returned answer to herself,
30  Have they not sped? have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two; to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers colours of needlework, of divers colours of needlework on both sides, meet for the necks of them that take the spoil?




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Raven said....

Quote:

Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.



Raven,

If that is so, then show me where,           .......oh expert on the bible.

Show me some real examples.

Show me where rape is sanctioned by God, or by God's law.

:)




Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 25th, 2017 at 12:46pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 11:29am:
.
Raven said....

Quote:

Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.



Raven,

If that is so, then show me where,           .......oh expert on the bible.

Show me some real examples.



“Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

"Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.”


(Isaiah 13:15-16)

ravish ==  To force (another) to have sexual intercourse; rape.   <------------   dictionary definition

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Yadda on Jan 25th, 2017 at 1:30pm



Isaiah 13:15-16......

A punishment is coming upon Babylon....

Isaiah 13:1
The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.



A punishment is coming upon Babylon, at the hand of their enemies the Medes....

the Medes = = another godless people, like the Babylonians.


Isaiah 13:15
Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
16  Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
17  Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
18  Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children.
19  And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.




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Raven said....

Quote:

Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.



Raven,

If that is so, then show me where,           .......oh expert on the bible.

Show me some real examples.

Show me where rape is sanctioned by God, or by God's law.

:)


Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 25th, 2017 at 1:36pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 1:30pm:
Raven said....

Quote:

Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.



Raven,

If that is so, then show me where,           .......oh expert on the bible.

Show me some real examples.



“Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

"Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.”


(Isaiah 13:15-16)

ravish ==  To force (another) to have sexual intercourse; rape.   <------------   dictionary definition

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by BigOl64 on Jan 25th, 2017 at 1:58pm


Time to have a referendum on sect 116 of the constitution and have it deleted.


Then we can start sorting out these religious idiots and impose some serious legislation on their activities.




Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Aussie on Jan 25th, 2017 at 2:12pm
Seems to me that The Bible is a book of expedient convenience.  There is some nasty stuff in the Old Testament but the New Testament gives that a "get out of jail free" card.  The "word of God" versus the "word of Jesus," even though they are supposed to be one and the same and a Holy Spirit as well.   That's real versatility, I tells ya!

Humbug.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Yadda on Jan 25th, 2017 at 2:13pm


At post #27.

Weak, and deceitful.




HE STOOPS TO MISREPRESENTING WHAT I HAVE POSTED.

HE HAS DONE IT MANY, MANY TIMES.



Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 25th, 2017 at 2:13pm


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Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 25th, 2017 at 2:19pm

Raven wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 12:49am:
Rape is perfectly acceptable in the bible.



Raven is correct.

“Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

"Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.”


(Isaiah 13:15-16)

ravish ==  To force (another) to have sexual intercourse; rape.   <------------   dictionary definition

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Neferti on Jan 25th, 2017 at 2:20pm
Ah, but the Bible Bashers actually think there is a HEAVEN where they will meet up with all their long gone friends and rellies when they die.

THIS is a GOOD THING for murderers who follow The Bible.  There is a "better existence" in Heaven than on Earth, so kill a few people... not a problem .....  God is Good!

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Yadda on Jan 25th, 2017 at 2:36pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 2:20pm:

Ah, but the Bible Bashers actually think there is a HEAVEN where they will meet up with all their long gone friends and rellies when they die.

THIS is a GOOD THING for murderers who follow The Bible.  There is a "better existence" in Heaven than on Earth, so kill a few people... not a problem .....  God is Good!



I believe in faeries too.

/sarc off




Neferti,

Like all of us,        you are free to believe, whatever you choose to believe.

And what you believe, will be a guide to your path in this life.

Go your own way.

Walk your own path in this life.

Have a nice life.






Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1485193466/16#16

Quote:

Men invariably, choose their own path in this life.

All men.




Some men choose to discriminate, between what is good, and what is evil.

Other men, refuse to do so......





Ecclesiastes 11:9
Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment.



Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by BigOl64 on Jan 25th, 2017 at 2:37pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

Raven wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 12:49am:
Rape is perfectly acceptable in the bible.



Raven is correct.

“Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

"Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.”


(Isaiah 13:15-16)

ravish ==  To force (another) to have sexual intercourse; rape.   <------------   dictionary definition



I think you'll find most people (males) 'back in the day' didn't think rape was so bad; except the victims of course

So not surprising.


Time to ban a few religions to balance the situation.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 25th, 2017 at 3:02pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 2:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

Raven wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 12:49am:
Rape is perfectly acceptable in the bible.



Raven is correct.

“Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

"Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.”


(Isaiah 13:15-16)

ravish ==  To force (another) to have sexual intercourse; rape.   <------------   dictionary definition



I think you'll find most people (males) 'back in the day' didn't think rape was so bad; except the victims of course

So not surprising.


Time to ban a few religions to balance the situation.


'back in the day' ?

There are a lot of men out there, with Bibles on their bedside tables, who think rape isn't so bad now.




Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by BigOl64 on Jan 25th, 2017 at 3:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 3:02pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 2:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

Raven wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 12:49am:
Rape is perfectly acceptable in the bible.



Raven is correct.

“Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

"Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.”


(Isaiah 13:15-16)

ravish ==  To force (another) to have sexual intercourse; rape.   <------------   dictionary definition



I think you'll find most people (males) 'back in the day' didn't think rape was so bad; except the victims of course

So not surprising.


Time to ban a few religions to balance the situation.


'back in the day' ?

There are a lot of men out there, with Bibles on their bedside tables, who think rape isn't so bad now.





That is true


Hence the banning suggestion. Can't fix the US but w can fix AUS



Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Neferti on Jan 25th, 2017 at 4:10pm
WHY has this thread suddenly turned into a TRUMP thread?

It originally was about some creeps who thought Christianity and the BIBLE would let them off a MURDER charge.

So Trump = Christian

Obama = Muslim

What people BELIEVE is their business. 

HEAVEN apparently has Sections for a variety of Christians (Baptist, Catholic, Methodists, Presbyterians, Anglicans, Mormons, and the rest of them) and even an area where Muslims, Sikhs, etcetera will end up.

What fun!

Some people actually believe this stuff and think that ALL will be forgiven when they die.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 25th, 2017 at 4:16pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 4:10pm:
WHY has this thread suddenly turned into a TRUMP thread?


Well, Trump loves the bible, and he's a self-confessed sexual predator.

I can see the link.


Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Raven on Jan 26th, 2017 at 4:10am

Yadda wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 1:30pm:
Raven said....

Quote:

Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.



Raven,

If that is so, then show me where,           .......oh expert on the bible.

Show me some real examples.

Show me where rape is sanctioned by God, or by God's law.

:)


Don't need to now, greggery has already pointed it out.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Raven on Jan 26th, 2017 at 4:11am

Yadda wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 2:13pm:
At post #27.

Weak, and deceitful.




HE STOOPS TO MISREPRESENTING WHAT I HAVE POSTED.

HE HAS DONE IT MANY, MANY TIMES.


In other words you have no idea how to defend that and so call it weak and deceitful.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Raven on Jan 26th, 2017 at 4:19am

Yadda wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 1:30pm:
Raven said....

Quote:

Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.



Raven,

If that is so, then show me where,           .......oh expert on the bible.

Show me some real examples.

Show me where rape is sanctioned by God, or by God's law.

:)


Actually here is another one

Samuel 12:11
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.


Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Yadda on Jan 26th, 2017 at 7:50am

Raven wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 4:10am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 1:30pm:
Raven said....

Quote:

Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.



Raven,

If that is so, then show me where,           .......oh expert on the bible.

Show me some real examples.

Show me where rape is sanctioned by God, or by God's law.

:)


Don't need to now, greggery has already pointed it out.



Liar.

He didn't.




Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Yadda on Jan 26th, 2017 at 7:53am

Raven wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 4:11am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 2:13pm:
At post #27.

Weak, and deceitful.




HE STOOPS TO MISREPRESENTING WHAT I HAVE POSTED.

HE HAS DONE IT MANY, MANY TIMES.


In other words you have no idea how to defend that and so call it weak and deceitful.



You lied in post #40.

And now you just lied again, in post #41.

Moslem.



It is what moslems do, with abandon.

Lying and deceit.


Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Yadda on Jan 26th, 2017 at 8:14am

Raven wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 4:19am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 1:30pm:
Raven said....

Quote:

Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.



Raven,

If that is so, then show me where,           .......oh expert on the bible.

Show me some real examples.

Show me where rape is sanctioned by God, or by God's law.

:)


Actually here is another one

Samuel 12:11
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.



Actually, not.

In 2 Samuel 12:11,  King David, is being PUNISHED.




Raven said....

Quote:

Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.



This was my challenge....

"Show me where rape is sanctioned by God, or by God's law."



God through Samuel, is NOT sanctioning any rape.

In 2 Samuel 12:11,        God is saying that because David has 'despised the commandment of the LORD',          because king David committed the sins of murder and adultery, God will cause Davids' wives to commit adultery with other men.





2 Samuel 12:8
And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
9  Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
10  Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.
11  Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
12  For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.




.



Raven,

You are still a prize goose, who has 'grandstanded' here on OzPol,        about crimes that are supposedly sanctioned by the God, in the bible.

--------- >

Raven said....

Quote:

Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.



But you have been unable to 'follow through', and prove that your assertion has any validity.

BECAUSE, your assertion was false in the first place.



Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Yadda on Jan 26th, 2017 at 8:53am

Yadda wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 8:14am:


Raven said....

Quote:

Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.



This was my challenge....

"Show me where rape is sanctioned by God, or by God's law."




The God of the bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob......

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.


Job 12:16
With him is strength and wisdom: the deceived and the deceiver are his.


My God.


Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Raven on Jan 27th, 2017 at 12:57am

Yadda wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 8:14am:

Raven wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 4:19am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 1:30pm:
Raven said....

Quote:

Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.



Raven,

If that is so, then show me where,           .......oh expert on the bible.

Show me some real examples.

Show me where rape is sanctioned by God, or by God's law.

:)


Actually here is another one

Samuel 12:11
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.



Actually, not.

In 2 Samuel 12:11,  King David, is being PUNISHED.




Raven said....
[quote]

Rapes is perfectly acceptable in the bible.



This was my challenge....

"Show me where rape is sanctioned by God, or by God's law."



God through Samuel, is NOT sanctioning any rape.

In 2 Samuel 12:11,        God is saying that because David has 'despised the commandment of the LORD',          because king David committed the sins of murder and adultery, God will cause Davids' wives to commit adultery with other men.

[/quote]

Ah so by your own words, in order to punish David god is going to use his powers to make these women sleep with other men.

That's essentially the definition of rape Yadda.

Your god.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Raven on Jan 27th, 2017 at 1:00am
No only does he sanction rape but he is a great fan of murdering innocent children. Either by his own hand or by commanding others to do it.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by The_Barnacle on Jan 28th, 2017 at 10:27am

mothra wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 7:20am:
I wonder how long it will take for this thread to become about Islam?

Within 5 posts? 10?


Gordon first brought up islam in reply #10

Herbert first brought up Negros in reply #1


Their obsessions are just so predictable

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Raven on Feb 3rd, 2017 at 7:37pm
It's seems the court rejected their defence.

Both have been sentenced to life in prison for rape.

Title: Re: the only book that matters
Post by Setanta on Feb 3rd, 2017 at 8:21pm

Raven wrote on Feb 3rd, 2017 at 7:37pm:
It's seems the court rejected their defence.

Both have been sentenced to life in prison for rape.


And God have mercy on their souls, because no man should. Filth.

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