Whilst crowd numbers really shouldn't matter that much... I mean, if a President-elect, during the 60 days between election and inauguration, about-faces on promises and threatens austerity, he/she would likely not get a big crowd either (regardless of whether austerity ultimately saves or would likely save the economy), what's important to note here is Trump's need to believe it was not, just a large crowd, but (as his press secretary put it) "the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period, both in person and around the globe"...

Said Trump: "It looked like a million-and-a-half people ... it went all the way back to the Washington Monument," Mr Trump said, adding that the media had been caught out and would "pay a big price".

For narcissist watchers... That's a 'learning moment' right there!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-22/just-how-big-was-donald-trumps-inauguration-crowd/8201382

Without the distraction of a major national disaster or war, Trump's superlative-laced word-salad self-eulogies will only get funnier in their weirdness...

Remembering, though, that 9/11 morphed Bush from a comically cool archetypical Texan (at least from a foreigner's perspective) into a dangerously incompetent wartime President whose parody character would not be out of place among the cast of 'Dr Strangelove'...

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 12:43pm:

Whilst crowd numbers really shouldn't matter that much... I mean, if a President-elect, during the 60 days between election and inauguration, about-faces on promises and threatens austerity, he/she would likely not get a big crowd either (regardless of whether austerity ultimately saves or would likely save the economy), what's important to note here is Trump's need to believe it was not, just a large crowd, but (as his press secretary put it) "the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period, both in person and around the globe"... Said Trump: "It looked like a million-and-a-half people ... it went all the way back to the Washington Monument," Mr Trump said, adding that the media had been caught out and would "pay a big price". For narcissist watchers... That's a 'learning moment' right there! http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-22/just-how-big-was-donald-trumps-inauguration-crowd/8201382

what a sickening man he is...

Bigger than both of Clinton's though   ...


Bill Clinton, 1997  -  250,000
Clinton, 1993  -  800,000

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 2:42pm:

Bigger than both of Clinton's though   ... Bill Clinton, 1997  -  250,000 Clinton, 1993  -  800,000

  and a quarter the size of Obamas.. ;)
https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/mt/2017/01/RTSWJVI/lead_960.jpg?1485042022

Did anyone else notice how small his hands are?

What's that all about?    :-/


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH9KVusUkAA8O41.jpg

Obamas crowd vs trump.click to resize..read it and weep tards

Obamas on the right  :D

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greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 2:45pm:

Did anyone else notice how small his hands are? What's that all about?    :-/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH9KVusUkAA8O41.jpg

Has creepy little carnie hands..smells like cabbage

Quote:

Biggest ever inaugural crowd? No, but...

Apparently yesterday a crowd as big or bigger turned out to protest against Trump, that is a record and a first.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 3:30pm:

Quote: Biggest ever inaugural crowd? No, but... Apparently yesterday a crowd as big or bigger turned out to protest against Trump, that is a record and a first.

 

After the horse has bolted but still...good work ladies.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 3:30pm:

Quote: Biggest ever inaugural crowd? No, but... Apparently yesterday a crowd as big or bigger turned out to protest against Trump, that is a record and a first.

F.F.SAKE THAT'S  DOUBLE DUTCH

;) ;) ;) ;)

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 3:30pm:

Quote: Biggest ever inaugural crowd? No, but... Apparently yesterday a crowd as big or bigger turned out to protest against Trump, that is a record and a first.

250 000 for the inauguration

500 000 protestors in Washington
750 000 protestors in Los Angeles

;D

Yesterdays  march...millions marched against Trump- not just in washington but globally..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjuSYv9Qhm4

John Smith wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 3:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 3:30pm: Quote: Biggest ever inaugural crowd? No, but... Apparently yesterday a crowd as big or bigger turned out to protest against Trump, that is a record and a first. 250 000 for the inauguration 500 000 protestors in Washington 750 000 protestors in Los Angeles ;D

If I was an eccentric billionaire, I'd have hired a skywriter to place 'tough titties' above the crowd.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/obama3.jpg

That crimson brick building in the middle right of the photo is the Smithsonian (I could be wrong). A typical weekend in DC that place alone has more people then Trump did at his Hitler Fest.

Nope, that is the Smithsonian.

Gordon wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 3:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 3:36pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 3:30pm: Quote: Biggest ever inaugural crowd? No, but... Apparently yesterday a crowd as big or bigger turned out to protest against Trump, that is a record and a first. 250 000 for the inauguration 500 000 protestors in Washington 750 000 protestors in Los Angeles ;D If I was an eccentric billionaire, I'd have hired a skywriter to place 'tough titties' above the crowd.

bullsh1t ... if you were an eccentric millionaire you would have found a pair of tough titties to occupy your time instead  :D :D

Agnes wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 2:41pm:

what a sickening man he is...

Is that what your boyfriend says about you Abscess?

lol

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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 12:43pm:

Whilst crowd numbers really shouldn't matter that much... I mean, if a President-elect, during the 60 days between election and inauguration, about-faces on promises and threatens austerity, he/she would likely not get a big crowd either (regardless of whether austerity ultimately saves or would likely save the economy), what's important to note here is Trump's need to believe it was not, just a large crowd, but (as his press secretary put it) "the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period, both in person and around the globe"... Said Trump: "It looked like a million-and-a-half people ... it went all the way back to the Washington Monument," Mr Trump said, adding that the media had been caught out and would "pay a big price". For narcissist watchers... That's a 'learning moment' right there! http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-22/just-how-big-was-donald-trumps-inauguration-crowd/8201382

Quote:

.........Whilst crowd numbers really shouldn't matter that much........

it probably does not make a huge difference.
He was voted in.
The misreporting of the crowd is the issue here.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 4:21pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 12:43pm: Whilst crowd numbers really shouldn't matter that much... I mean, if a President-elect, during the 60 days between election and inauguration, about-faces on promises and threatens austerity, he/she would likely not get a big crowd either (regardless of whether austerity ultimately saves or would likely save the economy), what's important to note here is Trump's need to believe it was not, just a large crowd, but (as his press secretary put it) "the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period, both in person and around the globe"... Said Trump: "It looked like a million-and-a-half people ... it went all the way back to the Washington Monument," Mr Trump said, adding that the media had been caught out and would "pay a big price". For narcissist watchers... That's a 'learning moment' right there! http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-22/just-how-big-was-donald-trumps-inauguration-crowd/8201382 Quote: .........Whilst crowd numbers really shouldn't matter that much........ it probably does not make a huge difference. He was voted in. The misreporting of the crowd is the issue here.

wrong

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 4:21pm:

it probably does not make a huge difference.

Just like his hands, Minty Sprinty?

John Smith wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 3:49pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 3:42pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 3:36pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 3:30pm: Quote: Biggest ever inaugural crowd? No, but... Apparently yesterday a crowd as big or bigger turned out to protest against Trump, that is a record and a first. 250 000 for the inauguration 500 000 protestors in Washington 750 000 protestors in Los Angeles ;D If I was an eccentric billionaire, I'd have hired a skywriter to place 'tough titties' above the crowd. bullsh1t ... if you were an eccentric millionaire you would have found a pair of tough titties to occupy your time instead  :D :D

I'd be too busy grabbing them on the pussy.

Gordon wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 4:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 3:49pm: Gordon wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 3:42pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 3:36pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 3:30pm: Quote: Biggest ever inaugural crowd? No, but... Apparently yesterday a crowd as big or bigger turned out to protest against Trump, that is a record and a first. 250 000 for the inauguration 500 000 protestors in Washington 750 000 protestors in Los Angeles ;D If I was an eccentric billionaire, I'd have hired a skywriter to place 'tough titties' above the crowd. bullsh1t ... if you were an eccentric millionaire you would have found a pair of tough titties to occupy your time instead  :D :D I'd be too busy grabbing them on the pussy.

Apparently if you paint your face orange you will get away with it.

Seems a bit strange to be proudly declaring the turn out for the Inauguration which was average at best when there was an anti inauguration rally that generated much more support.

This is unheard of, the normal expectation is that everyone gets behind the president however this president is deservedly that disliked and noxious that he is virtually an unviable unsupported leader.

The man is a combative fool. The worst example I can find of a President absolutely determined to put everybody offside from day one. Can you imagine the idiocy of spending the very first press conference to lamblast and abuse the media? The media is essential to any government in getting its message across and gaining support. All he has done is create absolutely implacable enemies that will never support him, actively oppose him and destroy his presidency.

The man is an absolute clown, the likes we have not seen before.

I find his behaviour not simply disgraceful but astonishingly foolish. He will end up impeached for sure, because his party already doesnt like him and he does nothing but create enemies.

Yes it's looking more and more likely that President Pence will be contesting the 2020 election.

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 2:42pm:

Bigger than both of Clinton's though   ... Bill Clinton, 1997  -  250,000 Clinton, 1993  -  800,000

Not anymore. By using his first press briefing to throw a hissy fit about press reporting on the size of his crowd, Trump's just gone down in history as the world's biggest w@nker.

As if numbers are going to matter now.

By the way, Black, they don't sell tickets. The numbers quoted are estimates by journalists.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 5:31pm:

The man is a combative fool. The worst example I can find of a President absolutely determined to put everybody offside from day one. Can you imagine the idiocy of spending the very first press conference to lamblast and abuse the media? The media is essential to any government in getting its message across and gaining support. All he has done is create absolutely implacable enemies that will never support him, actively oppose him and destroy his presidency. The man is an absolute clown, the likes we have not seen before. I find his behaviour not simply disgraceful but astonishingly foolish. He will end up impeached for sure, because his party already doesnt like him and he does nothing but create enemies.

x2

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 5:31pm:

The man is a combative fool. The worst example I can find of a President absolutely determined to put everybody offside from day one. Can you imagine the idiocy of spending the very first press conference to lamblast and abuse the media? The media is essential to any government in getting its message across and gaining support. All he has done is create absolutely implacable enemies that will never support him, actively oppose him and destroy his presidency. The man is an absolute clown, the likes we have not seen before. I find his behaviour not simply disgraceful but astonishingly foolish. He will end up impeached for sure, because his party already doesnt like him and he does nothing but create enemies.

Apparently you are wrong

https://youtu.be/xlawqm7UZtc

Trump Receives Standing Ovation After CIA Speech (FULL SPEECH)

Agnes wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 7:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 5:31pm: The man is a combative fool. The worst example I can find of a President absolutely determined to put everybody offside from day one. Can you imagine the idiocy of spending the very first press conference to lamblast and abuse the media? The media is essential to any government in getting its message across and gaining support. All he has done is create absolutely implacable enemies that will never support him, actively oppose him and destroy his presidency. The man is an absolute clown, the likes we have not seen before. I find his behaviour not simply disgraceful but astonishingly foolish. He will end up impeached for sure, because his party already doesnt like him and he does nothing but create enemies. x2

x3

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 7:19pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 2:42pm: Bigger than both of Clinton's though   ... Bill Clinton, 1997  -  250,000 Clinton, 1993  -  800,000 Not anymore. By using his first press briefing to throw a hissy fit about press reporting on the size of his crowd, Trump's just gone down in history as the world's biggest w@nker. As if numbers are going to matter now. By the way, Black, they don't sell tickets. The numbers quoted are estimates by journalists.

He is putting the media on notice from day one that misrepresentation and anti-Trump bias is noticed and is not tolerated.

This is the media that has relentless written him off as a no-chance for the nomination and then a no-chance to win the presidency.  It is the media, after all, that was near unanimous about pegging his chances to be elected around the 10% mark. Bollocking them on day one is the least he could do.  Now he is president and the first thing he is telling the media is to either stop the slanting or he will deny them access - see CNN.

And quite right too. He doesn't have to go along with the all-too-obvious slanting of the mainstream media reporting. He knows how the media works and he is telling them that he is onto them, from day one. The media has been sticking it to him in quite a hostile way, now it was his turn to give them a huge bollocking.  Go Trump.

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 8:34pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 7:19pm: Black Orchid wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 2:42pm: Bigger than both of Clinton's though   ... Bill Clinton, 1997  -  250,000 Clinton, 1993  -  800,000 Not anymore. By using his first press briefing to throw a hissy fit about press reporting on the size of his crowd, Trump's just gone down in history as the world's biggest w@nker. As if numbers are going to matter now. By the way, Black, they don't sell tickets. The numbers quoted are estimates by journalists. He is putting the media on notice from day one that misrepresentation and anti-Trump bias is noticed and is not tolerated. This is the media that has relentless written him off as a no-chance for the nomination and then a no-chance to win the presidency.  It is the media, after all, that was near unanimous about pegging his chances to be elected around the 10% mark. Bollocking them on day one is the least he could do.  Now he is president and the first thing he is telling the media is to either stop the slanting or he will deny them access - see CNN. And quite right too. He doesn't have to go along with the all-too-obvious slanting of the mainstream media reporting. He knows how the media works and he is telling them that he is onto them, from day one. The media has been sticking it to him in quite a hostile way, now it was his turn to give them a huge bollocking.  Go Trump.

Chucking a hissy fit and crying about the media was just stupid and made them look small - again.

It is not the media's fault that Trump is a clown.

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 8:34pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 7:19pm: Black Orchid wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 2:42pm: Bigger than both of Clinton's though   ... Bill Clinton, 1997  -  250,000 Clinton, 1993  -  800,000 Not anymore. By using his first press briefing to throw a hissy fit about press reporting on the size of his crowd, Trump's just gone down in history as the world's biggest w@nker. As if numbers are going to matter now. By the way, Black, they don't sell tickets. The numbers quoted are estimates by journalists. He is putting the media on notice from day one that misrepresentation ...

There's no misrepresentation.

The alleged child rapist is a compulsive lair.

Quote:

Biggest ever inaugural crowd? No, but...

Maybe not but certainly by far the biggest anti President rallies ever, in fact I can't think of another President where there was an anti president Rally on day 1.

America First - and the pink-haired Americans get triggered.
No illegal immigration - triggered.
Time for empty talk is over - triggered.
American carnage’ of gangs, drugs stops now - triggered.
A nation exists to serve its citizens - triggered.
Loyalty to their own country - triggered.


They reacted to the election of Reagan in a very similar way. A hundred years earlier the election of Lincoln triggered the Civil War.

Lincoln, Reagan, Trump - Republicans. The millions of Americans who didn't vote for Obama  (ie republicans) didn't make such clowns of themselves.



And of course it's the same elsewhere - Thatcher, Fraser, Howard, Abbott - the Left gets very emotional and triggered when they are defeated at elections. They only like democracy if they get elected, otherwise they go apeshite.

What is it about the Left? Why so emotionally unstable?

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 10:05pm:

The millions of Americans who didn't vote for Obama  (ie republicans) didn't make such clowns of themselves.

Trump himself (for years insisting Obama was a foreigner)? The Tea party? The 'Birthers'?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 10:22pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:05pm: The millions of Americans who didn't vote for Obama  (ie republicans) didn't make such clowns of themselves. Trump himself (for years insisting Obama was a foreigner)? The Tea party? The 'Birthers'?

Not at his inauguration.




Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted:

Le Pen said:

"We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up."

Wilders added:

"The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness."
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment


That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not.

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Le Pen said: "We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up." That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not.

Irony much?

The birth of a new world by returning to what it once was?

If Le pen is right, then its not a birth but a reincarnation!

It seems that genies can go back into bottles, if only to reinvent themselves using old world ideas and reemerge as an atavist of the old masquerading as the new.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 11:05pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:38pm: Le Pen said: "We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up." That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. Irony much? The birth of a new world by returning to what it once was? If Le pen is right, then its not a birth but a reincarnation! It seems that genies can go back into bottles, if only to reinvent themselves using old world ideas and reemerge as an atavist of the old masquerading as the new.

The Roman Empire fell apart. The Holy Roman Empire fell apart (thanks, Napoleon!), the Third Reich fell apart, the Soviet Empire fell apart.  Time for the European Union to fall apart.

They always over-reach.

Spicer said blatantly untrue things in his press conference. But that is just par for the course for this administration.

Trump spent months insulting the intelligence of Americans and got away with it. So why shouldn't Spicer insult their intelligence.

He said magnetometers kept crowds off the Mall in Washington (not true) and that newfangled, never-before-used ground coverings made the empty spaces look more sparse (also not true).

Spicer added that “this was the largest audience to ever witness the inauguration, period, both in person and around the globe.” (Again not true)

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 11:28pm:

The Roman Empire fell apart. The Holy Roman Empire fell apart (thanks, Napoleon!), the Third Reich fell apart, the Soviet Empire fell apart.  Time for the European Union to fall apart. They always over-reach.

You forgot the Ottoman Empire, the (short-lived) Japanese Empire, the British Empire, the Soviet Union...

All empires overreach...

In the case of imperial overreach, the big question of our times is not 'has the EU overreached' but has the American Empire done so?

But, back to the OP... I'm starting to see that Trump's clownish deflections (does he really care that much about numbers?) may be a parody of a parody - A real life Michael Rimmer as in the Peter Cook comedy, 'The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer'...

The movie's plot is remarkably 'Trumpian'... Distract and irritate the people and the media with endless inanities and ultimately deceive them into handing him autocratic power...

Trump is quite the fool. Imagine being quite so foolish as to make a scene and throw a tantrum about crowd numbers!!  He has significantly lower numbers and no amount of trumpish wankery will change that. To literally claim otherwise and then go on and on and on about it like a small child is appallingly juvenile.

It is hard to imagine that his presidency will survive given that pretty much everyone distrusts him - and with good reason.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 11:49pm:

Trump's clownish deflections (does he really care that much about numbers?) may be a parody of a parody - A real life Michael Rimmer as in the Peter Cook comedy, 'The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer'... The movie's plot is remarkably 'Trumpian'... Distract and irritate the people and the media with endless inanities and ultimately deceive them into handing him autocratic power...

And the Rimmer parody continues... And throw Orwellianism into the plot... 'Alternative' facts?

Will Conway's defence one day be 'I was only following orders'?

The US and the world are being taken for ride...

Trump administration had presented “alternative facts” to counter low inauguration crowd estimates.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/white-house-senior-adviser-kellyanne-conway-fires-back/news-story/ea8b43ead0e3f903994f81fe16a9d0b5

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 7:19pm:

[quote By the way, Black, they don't sell tickets. The numbers quoted are estimates by journalists.

;D

Exactly ... and we all know there's no political bias in the media, don't we?

Own goal.

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 8:34pm:

He is putting the media on notice from day one that misrepresentation and anti-Trump bias is noticed and is not tolerated.

On notice? Over what? His ego?

I hope there is nothing but a lot of "anti-Trump bias" from the media and if he is too much of a little cry baby to "tolerate" it then maybe America needs a leader who can.

bugger you and your fascism


Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 8:34pm:

This is the media that has relentless written him off as a no-chance for the nomination and then a no-chance to win the presidency.

Yeah, "on notice"

 
Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 8:34pm:

It is the media, after all, that was near unanimous about pegging his chances to be elected around the 10% mark. Bollocking them on day one is the least he could do.  Now he is president and the first thing he is telling the media is to either stop the slanting or he will deny them access - see CNN.

Access to what? His dog and pony show(s)? Trump needs the media it's what feeds his ego.


Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 8:34pm:

And quite right too. He doesn't have to go along with the all-too-obvious slanting of the mainstream media reporting. He knows how the media works and he is telling them that he is onto them, from day one. The media has been sticking it to him in quite a hostile way, now it was his turn to give them a huge bollocking.  Go Trump.

Wonderful. You stick with your delusional fat dayglo orange bag of fetid poo and the Orwellian Newspeak he spews; his lies, misrepresentation, and his ever increasing mental illness  and watch as the media rips him to shreds.

Marla wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 8:38am:

if he is too much of a little cry baby to "tolerate" it then maybe America needs a leader who can.

Americans have elected a 13-year-old school girl as President... One who thinks the American people and all the world are also 13-year-old school girls.

The weird thing I can see about the whole lying about the crowd, is why do you even have to?


Trump won the election, he's President, was it really necessary to lie about the size of the crowd?

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 7:41am:

Trump is quite the fool. Imagine being quite so foolish as to make a scene and throw a tantrum about crowd numbers!!  He has significantly lower numbers and no amount of trumpish wankery will change that. To literally claim otherwise and then go on and on and on about it like a small child is appallingly juvenile. It is hard to imagine that his presidency will survive given that pretty much everyone distrusts him - and with good reason.

Indeed, thats the curious thing about it. At the end of the day who cares if the numbers to his inauguration were lower than Obamas, he's still President.

Its vanity thats making him do it.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 8:52am:

The weird thing I can see about the whole lying about the crowd, is why do you even have to? Trump won the election, he's President, was it really necessary to lie about the size of the crowd?

Unless the point in the first place is to distract and irritate the media and the people by deflection towards the most inane and banal issues...

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 8:25am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 7:19pm: [quote By the way, Black, they don't sell tickets. The numbers quoted are estimates by journalists. ;D Exactly ... and we all know there's no political bias in the media, don't we? Own goal.

And non-media estimates which mysteriously are not that dissimilar. These estimates are always fairly inaccurate but when you have  two side-by-side photos of two inaugurations, there is no dispute as to which one was bigger.

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 10:05pm:

America First - and the pink-haired Americans get triggered. No illegal immigration - triggered. Time for empty talk is over - triggered. American carnage’ of gangs, drugs stops now - triggered. A nation exists to serve its citizens - triggered. Loyalty to their own country - triggered. They reacted to the election of Reagan in a very similar way. A hundred years earlier the election of Lincoln triggered the Civil War. Lincoln, Reagan, Trump - Republicans. The millions of Americans who didn't vote for Obama  (ie republicans) didn't make such clowns of themselves. And of course it's the same elsewhere - Thatcher, Fraser, Howard, Abbott - the Left gets very emotional and triggered when they are defeated at elections. They only like democracy if they get elected, otherwise they go apeshite. What is it about the Left? Why so emotionally unstable?

Many of the protesters didn't even vote. And if you've missed the Republicans against Trump movement, you've been in a medically-induced coma for the past year.

Nurse! The old boy has finally come to. Give him another needle, please.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 8:52am:

The weird thing I can see about the whole lying about the crowd, is why do you even have to? Trump won the election, he's President, was it really necessary to lie about the size of the crowd?

He lies about everything.

He's like a 5 year old child.

If someone says something he doesn't like, his immediate reply is "Nah ah, is not".

I have never seen such a childish, petty man in all my life.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 9:53am:

Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:05pm: America First - and the pink-haired Americans get triggered. No illegal immigration - triggered. Time for empty talk is over - triggered. American carnage’ of gangs, drugs stops now - triggered. A nation exists to serve its citizens - triggered. Loyalty to their own country - triggered. They reacted to the election of Reagan in a very similar way. A hundred years earlier the election of Lincoln triggered the Civil War. Lincoln, Reagan, Trump - Republicans. The millions of Americans who didn't vote for Obama  (ie republicans) didn't make such clowns of themselves. And of course it's the same elsewhere - Thatcher, Fraser, Howard, Abbott - the Left gets very emotional and triggered when they are defeated at elections. They only like democracy if they get elected, otherwise they go apeshite. What is it about the Left? Why so emotionally unstable? Many of the protesters didn't even vote.

Why not?? They couldn't be fagged to vote in a secret ballot but they are keen to virtue signal and carry on like idiots in the streets.

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/7c8876f1b66a9c825b7b3cac2a1ccaef?width=1024

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:03am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 9:53am: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:05pm: America First - and the pink-haired Americans get triggered. No illegal immigration - triggered. Time for empty talk is over - triggered. American carnage’ of gangs, drugs stops now - triggered. A nation exists to serve its citizens - triggered. Loyalty to their own country - triggered. They reacted to the election of Reagan in a very similar way. A hundred years earlier the election of Lincoln triggered the Civil War. Lincoln, Reagan, Trump - Republicans. The millions of Americans who didn't vote for Obama  (ie republicans) didn't make such clowns of themselves. And of course it's the same elsewhere - Thatcher, Fraser, Howard, Abbott - the Left gets very emotional and triggered when they are defeated at elections. They only like democracy if they get elected, otherwise they go apeshite. What is it about the Left? Why so emotionally unstable? Many of the protesters didn't even vote. Why not?? They couldn't be fagged to vote in a secret ballot but they are keen to virtue signal and carry on like idiots in the streets. http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/7c8876f1b66a9c825b7b3cac2a1ccaef?.jpg

Karnal is sarcastic.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 11:49pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:28pm: The Roman Empire fell apart. The Holy Roman Empire fell apart (thanks, Napoleon!), the Third Reich fell apart, the Soviet Empire fell apart.  Time for the European Union to fall apart. They always over-reach. You forgot the Ottoman Empire, the (short-lived) Japanese Empire, the British Empire, the Soviet Union... All empires overreach... In the case of imperial overreach, the big question of our times is not 'has the EU overreached' but has the American Empire done so? But, back to the OP... I'm starting to see that Trump's clownish deflections (does he really care that much about numbers?) may be a parody of a parody - A real life Michael Rimmer as in the Peter Cook comedy, 'The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer'... The movie's plot is remarkably 'Trumpian'... Distract and irritate the people and the media with endless inanities and ultimately deceive them into handing him autocratic power...

There is no American Empire. 

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:03am:

Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:03am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 9:53am: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:05pm: America First - and the pink-haired Americans get triggered. No illegal immigration - triggered. Time for empty talk is over - triggered. American carnage’ of gangs, drugs stops now - triggered. A nation exists to serve its citizens - triggered. Loyalty to their own country - triggered. They reacted to the election of Reagan in a very similar way. A hundred years earlier the election of Lincoln triggered the Civil War. Lincoln, Reagan, Trump - Republicans. The millions of Americans who didn't vote for Obama  (ie republicans) didn't make such clowns of themselves. And of course it's the same elsewhere - Thatcher, Fraser, Howard, Abbott - the Left gets very emotional and triggered when they are defeated at elections. They only like democracy if they get elected, otherwise they go apeshite. What is it about the Left? Why so emotionally unstable? Many of the protesters didn't even vote. Why not?? They couldn't be fagged to vote in a secret ballot but they are keen to virtue signal and carry on like idiots in the streets. http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/7c8876f1b66a9c825b7b3cac2a1ccaef?.jpg Karnal is sarcastic.

Frank is 'special'.

;)

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:03am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 9:53am: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:05pm: America First - and the pink-haired Americans get triggered. No illegal immigration - triggered. Time for empty talk is over - triggered. American carnage’ of gangs, drugs stops now - triggered. A nation exists to serve its citizens - triggered. Loyalty to their own country - triggered. They reacted to the election of Reagan in a very similar way. A hundred years earlier the election of Lincoln triggered the Civil War. Lincoln, Reagan, Trump - Republicans. The millions of Americans who didn't vote for Obama  (ie republicans) didn't make such clowns of themselves. And of course it's the same elsewhere - Thatcher, Fraser, Howard, Abbott - the Left gets very emotional and triggered when they are defeated at elections. They only like democracy if they get elected, otherwise they go apeshite. What is it about the Left? Why so emotionally unstable? Many of the protesters didn't even vote. Why not??

Because they didn't like the alternative, old chap.

Pretending anti-Trump sentiment is about Democrats and Republicans is not one of your better moments. Just as Trump has united left and right through his national socialism, he's united just as many from the left and right to oppose him.

Trump is only out for himself, as every schoolboy knows. He has no real beliefs outside his own ambition. He's changed political allegiances and stances like ties. He's chopped and changed on everything from his pro-life stance to his once liberal take on drugs. Everybody knows this. Those who back him do so on single issues - like yourself.

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 8:34pm:

He is putting the media on notice from day one that misrepresentation and anti-Trump bias is noticed and is not tolerated. This is the media that has relentless written him off as a no-chance for the nomination and then a no-chance to win the presidency.  It is the media, after all, that was near unanimous about pegging his chances to be elected around the 10% mark. Bollocking them on day one is the least he could do.  Now he is president and the first thing he is telling the media is to either stop the slanting or he will deny them access - see CNN. And quite right too. He doesn't have to go along with the all-too-obvious slanting of the mainstream media reporting. He knows how the media works and he is telling them that he is onto them, from day one. The media has been sticking it to him in quite a hostile way, now it was his turn to give them a huge bollocking.  Go Trump.

When Julia Gillard said the same thing about our press, there wasn't a word of protest from Australia's Lefties.

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:08am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:49pm: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:28pm: The Roman Empire fell apart. The Holy Roman Empire fell apart (thanks, Napoleon!), the Third Reich fell apart, the Soviet Empire fell apart.  Time for the European Union to fall apart. They always over-reach. You forgot the Ottoman Empire, the (short-lived) Japanese Empire, the British Empire, the Soviet Union... All empires overreach... In the case of imperial overreach, the big question of our times is not 'has the EU overreached' but has the American Empire done so? But, back to the OP... I'm starting to see that Trump's clownish deflections (does he really care that much about numbers?) may be a parody of a parody - A real life Michael Rimmer as in the Peter Cook comedy, 'The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer'... The movie's plot is remarkably 'Trumpian'... Distract and irritate the people and the media with endless inanities and ultimately deceive them into handing him autocratic power... There is no American Empire.

Well yes, but there is an Amerikan stewardship of the global economy. The US is the current source of patents, drug approvals, and the headquarters of the big multinationals. It secures much of the world's energy and trade, owning the Panama Canal and having bases near the Suez Canal. It has military bases in all four corners of the globe.

The US also monitors the world's phone calls, emails, internet searches and credit card transactions through the NSA, CIA, FBI and it's "five eyes" agreement with the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

There is no Amerikan empire, but an Amerikan hegemony. This hegemony is now being tested by China, Russia, and Trump himself.

It is a jolly world, no?

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:08am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:49pm: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:28pm: The Roman Empire fell apart. The Holy Roman Empire fell apart (thanks, Napoleon!), the Third Reich fell apart, the Soviet Empire fell apart.  Time for the European Union to fall apart. They always over-reach. You forgot the Ottoman Empire, the (short-lived) Japanese Empire, the British Empire, the Soviet Union... All empires overreach... In the case of imperial overreach, the big question of our times is not 'has the EU overreached' but has the American Empire done so? But, back to the OP... I'm starting to see that Trump's clownish deflections (does he really care that much about numbers?) may be a parody of a parody - A real life Michael Rimmer as in the Peter Cook comedy, 'The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer'... The movie's plot is remarkably 'Trumpian'... Distract and irritate the people and the media with endless inanities and ultimately deceive them into handing him autocratic power... There is no American Empire.

Nearly 1000 military bases on foreign soil circling the globe speaks otherwise...

We're programmed to think that an empire has to be declared one by its respective imperialist elites for it to be an empire...

Marla wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 8:38am:

Wonderful. You stick with your delusional fat dayglo orange bag of fetid poo and the Orwellian Newspeak he spews; his lies, misrepresentation, and his ever increasing mental illness and watch as the media rips him to shreds.

So WHO said he's not fit for political office?



"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life".

Winston Churchill

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:20am:

Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 8:34pm: He is putting the media on notice from day one that misrepresentation and anti-Trump bias is noticed and is not tolerated. This is the media that has relentless written him off as a no-chance for the nomination and then a no-chance to win the presidency.  It is the media, after all, that was near unanimous about pegging his chances to be elected around the 10% mark. Bollocking them on day one is the least he could do.  Now he is president and the first thing he is telling the media is to either stop the slanting or he will deny them access - see CNN. And quite right too. He doesn't have to go along with the all-too-obvious slanting of the mainstream media reporting. He knows how the media works and he is telling them that he is onto them, from day one. The media has been sticking it to him in quite a hostile way, now it was his turn to give them a huge bollocking.  Go Trump. When Julia Gillard said the same thing about our press, there wasn't a word of protest from Australia's Lefties.

True. And Gillard had a point. Her father died of SHAME, remember.

Trump is challenging the press for telling the truth. Apples and oranges, innit.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:27am:

Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:08am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:49pm: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:28pm: The Roman Empire fell apart. The Holy Roman Empire fell apart (thanks, Napoleon!), the Third Reich fell apart, the Soviet Empire fell apart.  Time for the European Union to fall apart. They always over-reach. You forgot the Ottoman Empire, the (short-lived) Japanese Empire, the British Empire, the Soviet Union... All empires overreach... In the case of imperial overreach, the big question of our times is not 'has the EU overreached' but has the American Empire done so? But, back to the OP... I'm starting to see that Trump's clownish deflections (does he really care that much about numbers?) may be a parody of a parody - A real life Michael Rimmer as in the Peter Cook comedy, 'The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer'... The movie's plot is remarkably 'Trumpian'... Distract and irritate the people and the media with endless inanities and ultimately deceive them into handing him autocratic power... There is no American Empire.  Nearly 1000 military bases on foreign soil circling the globe speaks otherwise... We're programmed to think that an empire has to be declared one by its respective imperialist elites for it to be an empire...

Would you rather the states being the dominating global force or somewhere like China? Now that would be bad for Australia. Because some country is always going to step up.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:26am:

Well yes, but there is an Amerikan stewardship of the global economy. The US is the current source of patents, drug approvals, and the headquarters of the big multinationals. It secures much of the world's energy and trade, owning the Panama Canal and having bases near the Suez Canal. It has military bases in all four corners of the globe. The US also monitors the world's phone calls, emails, internet searches and credit card transactions through the NSA, CIA, FBI and it's "five eyes" agreement with the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. There is no Amerikan empire, but an Amerikan hegemony. This hegemony is now being tested by China, Russia, and Trump himself.

What other aspect of 'empire' necessarily needs to be manifested for the above not to be a definition of (21st century) imperialism?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 8:54am:

Indeed, thats the curious thing about it. At the end of the day who cares if the numbers to his inauguration were lower than Obamas, he's still President.

Exactly.

If the Marla's of this world had stopped chucking tanties about that bitch Hilary losing out to a winner, then there would have been no need for head-counting exercises.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:30am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:27am: Nearly 1000 military bases on foreign soil circling the globe speaks otherwise... We're programmed to think that an empire has to be declared one by its respective imperialist elites for it to be an empire... Would you rather the states being the dominating global force or somewhere like China? Now that would be bad for Australia. Because some country is always going to step up.

My post was about acknowledging the existence of an American empire, not the morality of its existence.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:29am:

Marla wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 8:38am: Wonderful. You stick with your delusional fat dayglo orange bag of fetid poo and the Orwellian Newspeak he spews; his lies, misrepresentation, and his ever increasing mental illness and watch as the media rips him to shreds. So WHO said he's not fit for political office?

Someone who does not declare their income, who does not divest themselves from a global business, and as we're now slowly learning, has been blackmailed by a rival foreign power, is not fit for political office, Herbie.

Trump would not be fit for political office in Australia. Here, we don't have "corporate" bankruptcy laws, only personal ones. Bankrupts are not eligible to be MPs.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:33am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:30am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:27am: Nearly 1000 military bases on foreign soil circling the globe speaks otherwise... We're programmed to think that an empire has to be declared one by its respective imperialist elites for it to be an empire... Would you rather the states being the dominating global force or somewhere like China? Now that would be bad for Australia. Because some country is always going to step up. My post was about acknowledging the existence of an American empire, not the morality of its existence.

I wasn't talking about morality either. I was talking about Australia's safety. If the US goes down, we go down. We are 24 million in a part of the globe with billions living in overcrowded conditions. What's going to stop them taking our country without the US?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:27am:

Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:08am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:49pm: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:28pm: The Roman Empire fell apart. The Holy Roman Empire fell apart (thanks, Napoleon!), the Third Reich fell apart, the Soviet Empire fell apart.  Time for the European Union to fall apart. They always over-reach. You forgot the Ottoman Empire, the (short-lived) Japanese Empire, the British Empire, the Soviet Union... All empires overreach... In the case of imperial overreach, the big question of our times is not 'has the EU overreached' but has the American Empire done so? But, back to the OP... I'm starting to see that Trump's clownish deflections (does he really care that much about numbers?) may be a parody of a parody - A real life Michael Rimmer as in the Peter Cook comedy, 'The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer'... The movie's plot is remarkably 'Trumpian'... Distract and irritate the people and the media with endless inanities and ultimately deceive them into handing him autocratic power... There is no American Empire.  Nearly 1000 military bases on foreign soil circling the globe speaks otherwise... We're programmed to think that an empire has to be declared one by its respective imperialist elites for it to be an empire...

An empire is usually defined as one power occupying its colonies, North. Instead, the US merely works with foreign countries through an elaborate system of economic carrots and sticks.

And while the US has indeed chosen puppet governments in a number of countries, it does not have the final say, as movements like the Iranian revolution and the Arab Spring show.

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted: Le Pen said: "We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up." Wilders added: "The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness." https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not.

Music to our ears.

Nationalism is at last beginning to come out of the coma that Leftwing politicians put it into somewhere around the mid-'50's.

Not Hitler's expansionist nationalism, but a reclaiming of ones own homeland from 60 years of inviting the Third World to colonise the West as ghetto communities.

I'm sick of hearing Arabic being yelled across the rooftops.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:38am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:33am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:30am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:27am: Nearly 1000 military bases on foreign soil circling the globe speaks otherwise... We're programmed to think that an empire has to be declared one by its respective imperialist elites for it to be an empire... Would you rather the states being the dominating global force or somewhere like China? Now that would be bad for Australia. Because some country is always going to step up. My post was about acknowledging the existence of an American empire, not the morality of its existence. I wasn't talking about morality either. I was talking about Australia's safety. If the US goes down, we go down. We are 24 million in a part of the globe with billions living in overcrowded conditions. What's going to stop them taking our country without the US?

It's a seperate conversation...  ::)

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:40am:

Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:38pm: Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted: Le Pen said: "We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up." Wilders added: "The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness." https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. Music to our ears. Nationalism is at last beginning to come out of the coma that Leftwing politicians put it into somewhere around the mid-'50's. Not Hitler's expansionist nationalism, but a reclaiming of ones own homeland from 60 years of inviting the Third World to colonise the West as ghetto communities. I'm sick of hearing Arabic being yelled across the rooftops.

Bulldust: nationalism is a natural reaction to failing economics!

TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:45am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:40am: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:38pm: Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted: Le Pen said: "We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up." Wilders added: "The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness." https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. Music to our ears. Nationalism is at last beginning to come out of the coma that Leftwing politicians put it into somewhere around the mid-'50's. Not Hitler's expansionist nationalism, but a reclaiming of ones own homeland from 60 years of inviting the Third World to colonise the West as ghetto communities. I'm sick of hearing Arabic being yelled across the rooftops. Bulldust: nationalism is a natural reaction to failing economics!

not always muppet.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:46am:

TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:45am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:40am: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:38pm: Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted: Le Pen said: "We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up." Wilders added: "The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness." https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. Music to our ears. Nationalism is at last beginning to come out of the coma that Leftwing politicians put it into somewhere around the mid-'50's. Not Hitler's expansionist nationalism, but a reclaiming of ones own homeland from 60 years of inviting the Third World to colonise the West as ghetto communities. I'm sick of hearing Arabic being yelled across the rooftops. Bulldust: nationalism is a natural reaction to failing economics! not always muppet.

Always. We're in the political climate we're in because of the GFC, just as the Great Depression ushered in fascism.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:48am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:46am: TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:45am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:40am: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:38pm: Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted: Le Pen said: "We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up." Wilders added: "The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness." https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. Music to our ears. Nationalism is at last beginning to come out of the coma that Leftwing politicians put it into somewhere around the mid-'50's. Not Hitler's expansionist nationalism, but a reclaiming of ones own homeland from 60 years of inviting the Third World to colonise the West as ghetto communities. I'm sick of hearing Arabic being yelled across the rooftops. Bulldust: nationalism is a natural reaction to failing economics! not always muppet. Always. We're in the political climate we're in because of the GFC, just as the Great Depression ushered in fascism.

There was nationalism a thousand years ago before complex economic systems. You start messing with countries racially, ethnically  and culturally and people with start grouping together.

Usually solved by genocide.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:40am:

An empire is usually defined as one power occupying its colonies, North.

Yes... Usually...

As Chalmers Johnson puts it - "the unit of the American empire is not the colony, as it was in French and British imperialism. Instead the unit of our empire is the military base -- a separate enclave that originally had a strategic purpose, but when that strategic purpose no longer existed [the US] didn’t give up the base".


Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:40am:

Instead, the US merely works with foreign countries through an elaborate system of economic carrots and sticks.

And not just economic carrots and sticks, but also military presence...

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:51am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:48am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:46am: TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:45am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:40am: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:38pm: Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted: Le Pen said: "We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up." Wilders added: "The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness." https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. Music to our ears. Nationalism is at last beginning to come out of the coma that Leftwing politicians put it into somewhere around the mid-'50's. Not Hitler's expansionist nationalism, but a reclaiming of ones own homeland from 60 years of inviting the Third World to colonise the West as ghetto communities. I'm sick of hearing Arabic being yelled across the rooftops. Bulldust: nationalism is a natural reaction to failing economics! not always muppet. Always. We're in the political climate we're in because of the GFC, just as the Great Depression ushered in fascism. There was nationalism a thousand years ago before complex economic systems. You start messing with countries racially, ethnically  and culturally and people with start grouping together.

lol  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:52am:

Usually solved by genocide.

Life is nasty..

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:38am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:33am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:30am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:27am: Nearly 1000 military bases on foreign soil circling the globe speaks otherwise... We're programmed to think that an empire has to be declared one by its respective imperialist elites for it to be an empire... Would you rather the states being the dominating global force or somewhere like China? Now that would be bad for Australia. Because some country is always going to step up. My post was about acknowledging the existence of an American empire, not the morality of its existence. I wasn't talking about morality either. I was talking about Australia's safety. If the US goes down, we go down. We are 24 million in a part of the globe with billions living in overcrowded conditions. What's going to stop them taking our country without the US?

All arguably true... But I was talking about acknowledging the existence of an American empire, not whether its a good or bad thing...

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:51am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:48am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:46am: TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:45am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:40am: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:38pm: Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted: Le Pen said: "We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up." Wilders added: "The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness." https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. Music to our ears. Nationalism is at last beginning to come out of the coma that Leftwing politicians put it into somewhere around the mid-'50's. Not Hitler's expansionist nationalism, but a reclaiming of ones own homeland from 60 years of inviting the Third World to colonise the West as ghetto communities. I'm sick of hearing Arabic being yelled across the rooftops. Bulldust: nationalism is a natural reaction to failing economics! not always muppet. Always. We're in the political climate we're in because of the GFC, just as the Great Depression ushered in fascism. There was nationalism a thousand years ago before complex economic systems.

There were no nations or nationalism before capitalism, Homo.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:57am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:38am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:33am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:30am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:27am: Nearly 1000 military bases on foreign soil circling the globe speaks otherwise... We're programmed to think that an empire has to be declared one by its respective imperialist elites for it to be an empire... Would you rather the states being the dominating global force or somewhere like China? Now that would be bad for Australia. Because some country is always going to step up. My post was about acknowledging the existence of an American empire, not the morality of its existence. I wasn't talking about morality either. I was talking about Australia's safety. If the US goes down, we go down. We are 24 million in a part of the globe with billions living in overcrowded conditions. What's going to stop them taking our country without the US? All arguably true... But I was talking about acknowledging the existence of an American empire, not whether its a good or bad thing...

I agree then. It's a global empire.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:57am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:51am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:48am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:46am: TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:45am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:40am: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:38pm: Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted: Le Pen said: "We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up." Wilders added: "The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness." https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. Music to our ears. Nationalism is at last beginning to come out of the coma that Leftwing politicians put it into somewhere around the mid-'50's. Not Hitler's expansionist nationalism, but a reclaiming of ones own homeland from 60 years of inviting the Third World to colonise the West as ghetto communities. I'm sick of hearing Arabic being yelled across the rooftops. Bulldust: nationalism is a natural reaction to failing economics! not always muppet. Always. We're in the political climate we're in because of the GFC, just as the Great Depression ushered in fascism. There was nationalism a thousand years ago before complex economic systems. There were no nations or nationalism before capitalism, Homo.

Rome, Carthage , Persia were just the same. Look at Serbia, Ukraine, Chechnya . All nationalistic uprising to do with ethnic issues. Go and have a nanna nap Karnal.

miam

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:55am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:40am: An empire is usually defined as one power occupying its colonies, North. Yes... Usually... As Chalmers Johnson puts it - "the unit of the American empire is not the colony, as it was in French and British imperialism. Instead the unit of our empire is the military base -- a separate enclave that originally had a strategic purpose, but when that strategic purpose no longer existed [the US] didn’t give up the base". Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:40am: Instead, the US merely works with foreign countries through an elaborate system of economic carrots and sticks.  And not just economic carrots and sticks, but also military presence...

Up to a point, North, sure. But military bases aren't usually used to police the countries they're in. The US doesn't use its German, Japanese or Australian bases to hold Germany, Japan or Australia.

Military bases are the result of economic carrots and sticks, or trade and security deals. In our case, the US base in Darwin is strategically placed to face China. In Japan, their bases face North Korea. And in Germany, they face Russia.

The US "empire" is not based on military force and occupation but, predominantly, bi-lateral trade, finance and development deals. There is also a lot of soft power used - something other countries don't have.

The US has been amazingly successful after WWII in winning countries over. This is slowly changing, but it won't change too quickly. I can't see China, for example, gaining the respect of populations that the US has. China uses trade and military strength alone - in many countries, deals with China would be highly unpopular. I'm surprised there hasn't been more uproar in the Philippines, who have always loved America, who see the US as a liberator.

This is the difference today. The US is no longer seen by the world in glowing terms. Its spying, its trade wars and agricultural policies, its illegal invasions - the US is not the shining light it once was. The fact that the Philippines is prepared to give China a go could represent a major global shift in direction.

And yes, the nationalist/protectionist sentiment expressed through Brexit and Trump may well represent the dying throws of Anglo global dominance. 

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:51am:

You start messing with countries racially, ethnically  and culturally and people with start grouping together.

100% correct.


Radio personality Ron Casey said it many years ago: The day will arrive when Third World immigration will reach critical mass in the city suburbs, and THAT's when the sh!t will hit the fan.

Enoch Powell said exactly the same thing.

Everything bumps along nicely until one day the locals look around them and wonder where the hell they are.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 11:02am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:57am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:51am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:48am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:46am: TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:45am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:40am: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:38pm: Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted: Le Pen said: "We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up." Wilders added: "The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness." https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. Music to our ears. Nationalism is at last beginning to come out of the coma that Leftwing politicians put it into somewhere around the mid-'50's. Not Hitler's expansionist nationalism, but a reclaiming of ones own homeland from 60 years of inviting the Third World to colonise the West as ghetto communities. I'm sick of hearing Arabic being yelled across the rooftops. Bulldust: nationalism is a natural reaction to failing economics! not always muppet. Always. We're in the political climate we're in because of the GFC, just as the Great Depression ushered in fascism. There was nationalism a thousand years ago before complex economic systems. There were no nations or nationalism before capitalism, Homo. Rome, Carthage , Persia were just the same.

They were not the same. These empires were merely strong armies that invaded and occupied foreign territories.

The concept of a sovereign nation goes back to the post-Napoleonic era. Previously, the world was ruled (and divvied up) by monarchs.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:57am:

All arguably true... But I was talking about acknowledging the existence of an American empire, not whether its a good or bad thing...

Rented Empire.

You forgot to say "rented empire".

Almost all of their bases are rented from the local governments.

Germany, Turkey ... etc.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 11:23am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 11:02am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:57am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:51am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:48am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:46am: TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:45am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:40am: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:38pm: Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted: Le Pen said: "We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up." Wilders added: "The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness." https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. Music to our ears. Nationalism is at last beginning to come out of the coma that Leftwing politicians put it into somewhere around the mid-'50's. Not Hitler's expansionist nationalism, but a reclaiming of ones own homeland from 60 years of inviting the Third World to colonise the West as ghetto communities. I'm sick of hearing Arabic being yelled across the rooftops. Bulldust: nationalism is a natural reaction to failing economics! not always muppet. Always. We're in the political climate we're in because of the GFC, just as the Great Depression ushered in fascism. There was nationalism a thousand years ago before complex economic systems. There were no nations or nationalism before capitalism, Homo. Rome, Carthage , Persia were just the same. They were not the same. These empires were merely strong armies that invaded and occupied foreign territories. The concept of a sovereign nation goes back to the post-Napoleonic era. Previously, the world was ruled (and divvied up) by monarchs.

We could ague all day and night about it. So  do you still believe nationalism come purely out of bad economic situations?? :-?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 11:27am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:57am: All arguably true... But I was talking about acknowledging the existence of an American empire, not whether its a good or bad thing... Rented Empire. You forgot to say "rented empire". Almost all of their bases are rented from the local governments. Germany, Turkey ... etc.

'Rented' in the sense of a Scientology-esque '1 billion year contract'... The landlord doesn't get his property back in this peculiar case of tenancy...

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Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:08am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:49pm: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:28pm: The Roman Empire fell apart. The Holy Roman Empire fell apart (thanks, Napoleon!), the Third Reich fell apart, the Soviet Empire fell apart.  Time for the European Union to fall apart. They always over-reach. You forgot the Ottoman Empire, the (short-lived) Japanese Empire, the British Empire, the Soviet Union... All empires overreach... In the case of imperial overreach, the big question of our times is not 'has the EU overreached' but has the American Empire done so? But, back to the OP... I'm starting to see that Trump's clownish deflections (does he really care that much about numbers?) may be a parody of a parody - A real life Michael Rimmer as in the Peter Cook comedy, 'The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer'... The movie's plot is remarkably 'Trumpian'... Distract and irritate the people and the media with endless inanities and ultimately deceive them into handing him autocratic power... There is no American Empire.

But there's an EU one?


you fool.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 11:29am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 11:23am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 11:02am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:57am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:51am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:48am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:46am: TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:45am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:40am: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:38pm: Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted: Le Pen said: "We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up." Wilders added: "The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness." https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. Music to our ears. Nationalism is at last beginning to come out of the coma that Leftwing politicians put it into somewhere around the mid-'50's. Not Hitler's expansionist nationalism, but a reclaiming of ones own homeland from 60 years of inviting the Third World to colonise the West as ghetto communities. I'm sick of hearing Arabic being yelled across the rooftops. Bulldust: nationalism is a natural reaction to failing economics! not always muppet. Always. We're in the political climate we're in because of the GFC, just as the Great Depression ushered in fascism. There was nationalism a thousand years ago before complex economic systems. There were no nations or nationalism before capitalism, Homo. Rome, Carthage , Persia were just the same. They were not the same. These empires were merely strong armies that invaded and occupied foreign territories. The concept of a sovereign nation goes back to the post-Napoleonic era. Previously, the world was ruled (and divvied up) by monarchs. We could ague all day and night about it. So  do you still believe nationalism come purely out of bad economic situations?? :-?

No, hyper- nationalism, or fascism, can only come out of bad economic situations. Nationalist or racial-supremacists are rarely rich and powerful, Homo.

As you well know.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 11:18am:

Up to a point, North, sure. But military bases aren't usually used to police the countries they're in. The US doesn't use its German, Japanese or Australian bases to hold Germany, Japan or Australia.

The US currently doesn't need to... It would be 'unthinkable' for Germany, Japan or Australia to eject the US...


Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 11:18am:

The US "empire" is not based on military force and occupation but, predominantly, bi-lateral trade, finance and development deals. There is also a lot of soft power used - something other countries don't have.

There are currently 400 US military bases surrounding China... That's some display of 'soft' power!

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 11:51am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 11:29am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 11:23am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 11:02am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:57am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:51am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:48am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:46am: TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:45am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:40am: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:38pm: Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted: Le Pen said: "We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up." Wilders added: "The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness." https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. Music to our ears. Nationalism is at last beginning to come out of the coma that Leftwing politicians put it into somewhere around the mid-'50's. Not Hitler's expansionist nationalism, but a reclaiming of ones own homeland from 60 years of inviting the Third World to colonise the West as ghetto communities. I'm sick of hearing Arabic being yelled across the rooftops. Bulldust: nationalism is a natural reaction to failing economics! not always muppet. Always. We're in the political climate we're in because of the GFC, just as the Great Depression ushered in fascism. There was nationalism a thousand years ago before complex economic systems. There were no nations or nationalism before capitalism, Homo. Rome, Carthage , Persia were just the same. They were not the same. These empires were merely strong armies that invaded and occupied foreign territories. The concept of a sovereign nation goes back to the post-Napoleonic era. Previously, the world was ruled (and divvied up) by monarchs. We could ague all day and night about it. So  do you still believe nationalism come purely out of bad economic situations?? :-? No, hyper- nationalism, or fascism, can only come out of bad economic situations. Nationalist or racial-supremacists are rarely rich and powerful, Homo. As you well know.

In Serbia it was  hundreds of years of ethnic tension that ticked it off for them . The Germans because the Jews started to take over etc etc. Ethnic tension is behind all nationalism and economic situations tick it off. It isn't the other way around.

>:(

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 11:44am:

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A penny for your thoughts?  :)

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 1:18pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 11:18am: Up to a point, North, sure. But military bases aren't usually used to police the countries they're in. The US doesn't use its German, Japanese or Australian bases to hold Germany, Japan or Australia. The US currently doesn't need to... It would be 'unthinkable' for Germany, Japan or Australia to eject the US... Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 11:18am: The US "empire" is not based on military force and occupation but, predominantly, bi-lateral trade, finance and development deals. There is also a lot of soft power used - something other countries don't have. There are currently 400 US military bases surrounding China... That's some display of 'soft' power!

You tell him. North.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 2:20pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 11:51am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 11:29am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 11:23am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 11:02am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:57am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:51am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:48am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:46am: TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:45am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:40am: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:38pm: Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted: Le Pen said: "We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up." Wilders added: "The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness." https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. Music to our ears. Nationalism is at last beginning to come out of the coma that Leftwing politicians put it into somewhere around the mid-'50's. Not Hitler's expansionist nationalism, but a reclaiming of ones own homeland from 60 years of inviting the Third World to colonise the West as ghetto communities. I'm sick of hearing Arabic being yelled across the rooftops. Bulldust: nationalism is a natural reaction to failing economics! not always muppet. Always. We're in the political climate we're in because of the GFC, just as the Great Depression ushered in fascism. There was nationalism a thousand years ago before complex economic systems. There were no nations or nationalism before capitalism, Homo. Rome, Carthage , Persia were just the same. They were not the same. These empires were merely strong armies that invaded and occupied foreign territories. The concept of a sovereign nation goes back to the post-Napoleonic era. Previously, the world was ruled (and divvied up) by monarchs. We could ague all day and night about it. So  do you still believe nationalism come purely out of bad economic situations?? :-? No, hyper- nationalism, or fascism, can only come out of bad economic situations. Nationalist or racial-supremacists are rarely rich and powerful, Homo. As you well know. In Serbia it was  hundreds of years of ethnic tension that ticked it off for them . The Germans because the Jews started to take over etc etc. Ethnic tension is behind all nationalism and economic situations tick it off. It isn't the other way around.

No, in Serbia it was the dissolution of the USSR and the loss of former markets. In Germany, it was the Great Depression and the burden of its war reparations.

In your own case, it's the loss of manufacturing jobs in Western Sydney and your unsuccessful transition to the service economy.

Ethnic tension does not exist as a thing in itself. It must be sparked. If there were no ethnicities, people would find other reasons to fight when their economic conditions are threatened.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Re: The Establishment are scared stiff of Donald Trump Reply #88 - Nov 5th, 2016 at 8:57pm If Trump wins, I will leave this forum forever. I guarantee it. Trump 306, hillary 232

Agnes wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 3:42pm:

Yesterdays  march...millions marched against Trump- not just in washington but globally.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjuSYv9Qhm4

... because we all know the problems only began on the 20th of January.   ::)

"Donald Trump ... gained nearly three million fewer votes than his opponent.

"The margin of 2.86 million ballots was the biggest popular vote disparity in US history for a candidate who has gone on to become President, significantly greater than the 544,000-vote gap between George W Bush and Al Gore in 2000."

;D ;D ;D

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:03am:

Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 10:03am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 9:53am: Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:05pm: America First - and the pink-haired Americans get triggered. No illegal immigration - triggered. Time for empty talk is over - triggered. American carnage’ of gangs, drugs stops now - triggered. A nation exists to serve its citizens - triggered. Loyalty to their own country - triggered. They reacted to the election of Reagan in a very similar way. A hundred years earlier the election of Lincoln triggered the Civil War. Lincoln, Reagan, Trump - Republicans. The millions of Americans who didn't vote for Obama  (ie republicans) didn't make such clowns of themselves. And of course it's the same elsewhere - Thatcher, Fraser, Howard, Abbott - the Left gets very emotional and triggered when they are defeated at elections. They only like democracy if they get elected, otherwise they go apeshite. What is it about the Left? Why so emotionally unstable? Many of the protesters didn't even vote. Why not?? They couldn't be fagged to vote in a secret ballot but they are keen to virtue signal and carry on like idiots in the streets. http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/7c8876f1b66a9c825b7b3cac2a1ccaef?.jpg Karnal is sarcastic.

He is not sarcastic. He is stating a fact.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 5:38pm:

"Donald Trump ... gained nearly three million fewer votes than his opponent. "The margin of 2.86 million ballots was the biggest popular vote disparity in US history for a candidate who has gone on to become President, significantly greater than the 544,000-vote gap between George W Bush and Al Gore in 2000." ;D ;D ;D

Clinton has been in American politics for 30 years, she got more votes an still lost.

Who would want someone like THAT as president???