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Title: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Raven on Jan 20th, 2017 at 5:14am
Trump has said he will not divest ownership of his business while President. There is concern among top legal minds in the US that when Trump swears the Oath of Office, he will stand in violation of the Constitution’s foreign-emoluments clause. Article I, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution forbids any “Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under [the United States]” from accepting any “any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State” (unless Congress explicitly consents).
By “emolument,” this provision means any benefit derived from dealing with a foreign government. It is well-settled that receipt of such emoluments is strictly prohibited for persons holding positions of trust with the U.S. government. A U.S. official need not also have an “office” with a foreign government in order to receive an emolument from it. The Framers included this provision in the Constitution to guarantee that private entanglements with foreign states would not blur the loyalties of federal officials, above all the president. Yet that lesson seems lost on Trump, whose continued significant ownership stake in the Trump Organization forges an unbreakable bond between Trump and a global empire that will benefit or suffer in innumerable ways from its dealings with foreign governments. Trump’s actions in office will thus be haunted by the specter (and perhaps reality) of divided interests. The only adequate solution to this and other conflicts of interest, taken by presidents of both parties for the past four decades, is divestiture into a truly blind trust or the equivalent. At last week’s unusual press conference, Trump—lawyer in tow—refused to take those steps. Instead, after marveling at his own generosity, Trump finally explained his big plan: keep an ownership stake in the Trump Organization, but resign from management and have his adult sons (joined by an executive) run the business during his presidency. Trump’s lawyer has said that “Trump wants there to be no doubt in the minds of the American public that he is completely isolating himself from his business interests.” But if that were actually true, Trump would have done more—much more—to separate himself from his global business empire. Instead, he adopted the mere shell of a plan, utterly inadequate to the demands of the Constitution. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by AuntieM on Jan 20th, 2017 at 5:56am
Interesting you brought this up.
The Washington Post covered this subject -- except with regard to Clinton -- back in September. Here is the article, should you care to read it. The Volokh Conspiracy -- Opinion Is the Emoluments Clause a problem for Hillary Clinton? By Jonathan H. Adler September 23, 2016 You may not have heard of the Emoluments Clause, but some people think it raises a problem for Hillary Clinton. The clause, contained in Article I, section 9, reads as follows: No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State. The issue is whether the Clinton Foundation’s acceptance of gifts from foreign governments while Hillary Clinton served as secretary as state violated this provision (assuming, of course, that gifts to the Foundation were, in some sense, also gifts to her). Additionally, it would seem, there would also be a question as to whether the Clinton Foundation could accept such gifts if Hillary Clinton is elected president. For what it’s worth, I don’t think this question is justiciable. That is, I do not believe that someone could go to court to seek to disqualify or sanction Clinton. The issue might, however, be of interest to some voters (and by “some” I mean some percentage of lawyers, professors and pedants who have actually thought about the Emoluments Clause and its significance). One could conclude that Clinton violated the spirit of the clause even if one does not believe courts can (or should) do anything about it. (And one could also reach this conclusion and still believe that such an ethical lapse is still minor compared with the offenses committed by Donald Trump.) The meaning and current application of the Emoluments Clause might not seem like much of an issue to you, but it is to two of my colleagues, Jonathan Entin and Erik Jensen. The two have dueling op-eds on the clause in the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Here’s Jensen: you can’t take politics out of politics — but payments from foreign governments to federal officials are different from the usual sorts of contributions. Those who are supposed to be looking out for the best interests of the United States shouldn’t be taking goodies from other governments, a potentially corrupting influence that creates the appearance of divided loyalties. America’s founders understood this. In the Foreign Emoluments Clause of the Constitution, adapted from a similar provision in the Articles of Confederation, the founders provided that “no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under [the United States] shall, without the Consent of Congress, accept of [sic] any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.” A present — or, even worse, compensation for services (an emolument) — transferred by a foreign government to a federal official isn’t everyday pay for play; it’s forbidden, unless Congress approves. . . . What about gifts from foreign governments made to a foundation in which a person holding an office of trust — a secretary of state, say — has a controlling position, either directly or through family members? That sort of thing happened not so long ago. Whether or not the practice could have survived review by lawyers in green eyeshades, I’m not sure. But the practice smelled; it violated the spirit, if not the language, of the Foreign Emoluments Clause and related statutes. It was, at a minimum, an ethical lapse. Here’s Entin: If you haven’t heard that Hillary Clinton is constitutionally ineligible to be president, be ready. That claim has nothing to do with her birth certificate but rather with contributions to the Clinton Foundation by foreign governments. According to conservative bloggers, those contributions violate the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution (Article I, Section 9), which generally forbids American officials from accepting “any present, Emolument, Office, or Title” from another nation. Because the foundation accepted payments from foreign governments while she held government positions, Clinton supposedly violated the Emoluments Clause and is disqualified from serving as our chief executive. This is a dubious argument. If, after reading these op-eds, you want still more on the Emoluments Clause, the National Constitution Center has posted additional background and an exchange between Professors Seth Tillman and Zephyr Teachout as part of the Center’s Interactive Constitution. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/09/23/is-the-emoluments-clause-a-problem-for-hillary-clinton/?utm_term=.e1d0bdaab9ad |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by issuevoter on Jan 20th, 2017 at 6:38am
HC may be a lot of things but she is not so stupid as to let herself get disqualified in this way. Whether Trump is that stupid remains to be seen.
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Marla on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:17am
Exactly why he'll be impeached in 6 months.
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by aquascoot on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:37am
Trump is like the sun....a source of pure energy.
he just "puts it out there". The sun is going to do what the sun is going to do. The sun is at the action as is Donald. All you on lookers are at the "reaction". Try to be more "sun-like" , more "trump-like" Being "reactive" is very low status, very "weak sauce", very feminine. Be masculine, like Donald, penetrate the world with your ideas, be care-free, be unapologetic. the sun penetrates, the sun doesnt care if "you" think its too hot, the sun doesnt apologise for a heat wave.the sun doesnt care if you like it or not, the sun doesnt "need' anything from the pathetic little crybabies sooking about it being a hot day. if you dont like the sun, go hide in a cave and STFU |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by cods on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:39am issuevoter wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 6:38am:
she is greedy though and a money hoare. never fussy where the money came from.. or at what cost ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by cods on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:40am Marla wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:17am:
the yanks are so stoooopid. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Fireball on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:45am issuevoter wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 6:38am:
Yet "not stupid" HC used a private server and got caught, and her and her Twat Happy husband used their Clinton Corporation to bolster their own finances, oh yes and got caught..... You seem to be somewhat lacking in the old noggin if you think she's "not stupid"....... Oh yes, didn't she lose....... ::) |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by The Heartless Felon on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:53am Marla wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:17am:
Well hello Marylou, who's going to impeach him? |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by longweekend58 on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:08am The Heartless Felon wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:53am:
You think the Republicans like him? Half of them didnt even vote for him. They tolerate him because he won. Give them half a chance and they will boot him to the kerb. And he will be giving them more than half a chance. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Marla on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:12am The Heartless Felon wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:53am:
The House and Senate. Must I do all your homework for you? |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by longweekend58 on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:14am
He has an even bigger problem if the Cabinet simply vote to replace him (Sect 25). If Trump is deemed unsuitable, they could remove him.
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Marla on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:14am
What do you mean "if"?
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by issuevoter on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:18am aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:37am:
Your faith in Trump is very feminine. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by issuevoter on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:26am Fuzzball wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:45am:
If HC is so sss-chew-pid (as they say here), she'd be in jail. All the blather came to nothing. Why? I don't claim to know, but I do know that her accusers have not been successful. Yes, she lost the election, but that was not the result of ssschewpidity. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by John Smith on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:33am Fuzzball wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:45am:
many other poli's also used a private server and they were allowed to get away with it |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Marla on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:33am issuevoter wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:18am:
More in the way of being homoerotic. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by cods on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:40am
Could President Trump be impeached?
Yes, but it is pretty unlikely. No president has ever actually been removed from office as a result of impeachment, although two — Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton — were found guilty of wrongdoing by the House of Representatives, before being cleared by the Senate, and in 1974 President Richard Nixon resigned rather than facing an impeachment process for several charges related to the Watergate scandal. A major obstacle to impeaching Mr Trump is that both the House of Representatives and the Senate are controlled by the Republicans. Lots of people have speculated that Mr Trump's own party are unlikely to impeach him, unless of course they are put under a huge amount of public pressure. But, then again, it is not impossible: many Republicans actually do not like the president-elect at all. by the sound of that... if he was impeached it isnt what he may have done... but who likes or dislikes him.. :( :( :( :( mmmmmmmmm very democratic.. fancy being impeached over gross sex in his office errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk.. only in America |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by The Heartless Felon on Jan 20th, 2017 at 9:12am longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:08am:
They may dislike him but they are pragmatists: consider who would replace him... |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Marla on Jan 20th, 2017 at 9:20am
Even that would be an improvement.
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Sprintcyclist on Jan 20th, 2017 at 9:30am Trump IS the Constitution. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Unforgiven on Jan 20th, 2017 at 9:40am
Beavis and Butthead Trump to be in charge of the cash register.
Bring on the clowns. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Karnal on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:12am Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 9:30am:
Exactly. That's what Mussolini said too. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by NorthOfNorth on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:19am Big Donger wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:12am:
And don't forget Louis XIV and Hitler! |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:31am Big Donger wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:12am:
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Panther on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:36am Raven wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 5:14am:
If push comes to shove, the Strongly Republican Congress Majority will most probably simply "Rubber Stamp" their approvals & consents if needed, & as such has been rumored to already have become secured ..... a 'done deal' so to speak. ;) Oh, & JFYI here is the actual wording of Article 1 Section 9 of the United States Constitution.....nothing out of context: Quote:
The actual wording sounds a little different don't it ...... .......without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state. ;) .. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by aquascoot on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:53am issuevoter wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:18am:
I see him as an inspirational figure. i wouldnt say "feminine" but i do recognise him as a "superior man". Trump has achieved soooo much. Do you "get" how talented someone would need to be to take on the establishment and the media who both despised him and then just bust thru that wall like a sherman tank . I am in awe of such a man. He has a huge international fan base. i think its funny when people who are very insignificant, hate on "the successful guy". Some of the friends of my duaghters were hating on Justin Beiber and they got this lecture as well. Ive never even heard a Bieber song but thats not the point. When you see someone who is crushing it, you aspire to study them and copy them. If you hate them, you are not going to go into growth and it is your ego that is making you hate them because your ego realises that they DID it and you DIDNT and your ego wants to get off the hook for you being a punk ass bitch of a pussy and the only way is to hate success. hatred of success always reveals a very deep character flaw...always. if you hate success, your life is going nowhere and you are going to end up a piece of garbage. love admire and copy success. always always always ;) ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by longweekend58 on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:54am Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 9:30am:
You're not serious, right? If you were then you are even more stupid than most people think. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:01am aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:53am:
Why were they hating on him? Does Justin Bieber pay his taxes? Does he pay his contractors/workers? Has he admitted to sexually assaulting women? Has be been accused of gang raping a child, beating her, and then threatening to kill her and her family if she told anyone? Is he a racist? Has he mocked a disabled man in public? Does he lie every time he opens his mouth? Is that what makes someone "successful" in your eyes? |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Panther on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:02am Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 9:30am:
Incorrect, he is merely the highest office holder that must swear a Solemn Oath of Office: Quote:
The Oath is not to a Flag, Not to a Government, Not to any Person, Not to any Country......the Oath is to Preserve, Protect, & Defend the Constitution of the United States......period.....full stop. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Panther on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:08am Quote:
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by aquascoot on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:08am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:01am:
You cant make an omlette without breaking a few eggs |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Karnal on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:09am aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:53am:
Er, that's exactly the point. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Karnal on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:11am aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:08am:
And you can't provide effective leadership by alienating the bulk of the population. Year 9 maths, innit. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Panther on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:15am Big Donger wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:09am:
We must all come to the final conclusion, that America voted, & as prescribed by the Law of the Land --- the United States Constitution since June 21, 1788, Donald J. Trump has been duly elected as the President of the United States of America ....... and that Americans .... ALL Americans must hold his feet to the fire so that he upholds the Constitution of the United States of America first & foremost. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:17am aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:08am:
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by aquascoot on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:24am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:17am:
credit where credit is due. he is out there tinkering in the "real world". anyone who takes such a massive ammount of action will put a few noses out of joint and step on a few toes. a bit of alleged this or alleged that is totally par for the course. a timid little church mouse might have no allegations of impropriety cast against it. thats because it hasnt attempted poo. cut the guy some slack. for the ammount of courageous and supercharged action he has taken, i think the allegations are pretty soft. dumb shop stewards in australia who have done .00000001 % of what donald has done seem to have a more sketchy history of sins . |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:29am aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:24am:
Not alleged. Sexually abused women: fact Doesn't pay tax: fact Doesn't pay contractors: fact Crooked, corrupt business Mocked the disabled: fact |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by AuntieM on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:37am
Bless your heart.
Everything you just stated as fact, has not been proven to be so. Still reneging, cupcake? No sense of honor? |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Karnal on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:43am Panther wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:15am:
We're well past that conclusion, Panther. We're now onto the question of whether Justin Beiber's success justifies his awful music. By extension, we could ask whether Donald Trump's popular election justifies his awful policies as president. You will only be able to use this excuse for a short while. When we start to see the backdowns, the kickbacks, the conflicts of interest, the rising debt and all the bullsh!t excuses, the fact that Trump was elected will be meaningless. Trump is there for the billionaires. You can't hide this fact or pretend it's fake news. Trump's appointments already make this clear. His policies will be on display for all to see. George W Bush campaigned as a "compassionate conservative". When he got in, he proved to be a neoconservative. As time went on, Bush's neoconservative policies proved to be a massive failure. No one could deny it. The lies, the death toll from his foreign wars, the mounting deficit, the billions poured into Bush's friends' businesses, and finally, the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression proved it. Bush was a failure. His agenda was a failure. He proved that he was never a compassionate conservative, whatever this was. Trump has steered clear of these sorts of definitions, but his statements speak for themselves. Trump promises to make America great again. When he does the exact opposite - the trade wars with China, the price increases, the tax cuts for the rich, the cuts to the minimum wage, the mounting deficit, etc, etc, etc - you won't have any excuses left. Remember, not even the rusted-ons were defending Bush at the end of his second term. When Trump's time comes, the best you'll be able to do is pretend you never supported Trump in the first place. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Karnal on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:44am AuntieM wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:37am:
Excuse me, dear, are you suggesting Trump told fibs? |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by AuntieM on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:48am
No, pumpkin, I'm suggesting Peckerflea is deluded.
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Karnal on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:50am AuntieM wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:48am:
How so? Which part of this is false? Quote:
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Title: Trump will uphold his oath to the US Constitution Post by Panther on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:02pm Big Donger wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:43am:
Ask that question when it actually becomes material, like a year AFTER Trump actually becomes President, & AFTER his policies have taken effect. To date, it's just your wild imagination that guides your mind to conclude the fictions it does. Trump hasn't taken office yet, so all you have is unfounded speculation, not one speck of implemented policy...... |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by AuntieM on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:03pm Big Donger wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:50am:
All unproven accusations. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by longweekend58 on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:41pm Panther wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:02am:
IM glad you got that right. I was beginning to think all Trump supporters were actually PRO-dictatorship rather than simply supporting a potential candidate for the job. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Bojack Horseman on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:42pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:41pm:
I genuinely think Trump is pro constitution, pro just the parts that politically convenient. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by AuntieM on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:45pm
Bojack, what is your first language? Because it sure as hell isn't English.
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Bojack Horseman on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:50pm AuntieM wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:45pm:
Better dipshit? |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by AuntieM on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:55pm
Non, te heli nagu idioot.
peccary是一種蠢貨。你為什麼會支持他? |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by cods on Jan 20th, 2017 at 1:07pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:42pm:
now I know how Bill Clinton got away with being impeached......the SEX word wasnt in the constitution... i guess all those old hillbillies that wrote it.. thought we would always have men and maybe women with a conscience morals and integrity.. shows how wrong they were.... ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Bojack Horseman on Jan 20th, 2017 at 2:26pm cods wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 1:07pm:
Exactly, being a immoral person has nothing to do with the constitution. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by longweekend58 on Jan 20th, 2017 at 3:07pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
Clinton was an excellent president and very popular. The people didnt think highly of those trying to impeach him on a personal matter. And then they voted for a boofhead like Trump who will molest anything in a skirt that enters the white house or surrounds. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Panther on Jan 20th, 2017 at 3:31pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 3:07pm:
Slick Willy just had, & still has, the same affliction that his crusty-crotched, skank wife has, he never told the truth....he always lied like a rug.....& it was the reason he was impeached....for lying under oath to Congress & obstructing justice.....but he remained in office solely because 45 dEMOCRAT Senators acquitted him with the help of 10 Republicans. In order to Impeach they still would have had to gather a super majority (67 votes) instead of the 51 vote simple majority. He later admitted to both, lying under oath, & obstructing justice in a TV interview with his wife, ole crusty-crotch at his side. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by longweekend58 on Jan 20th, 2017 at 3:36pm Panther wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 3:31pm:
If lying is so important to you then get ready for Trumps impeachment on the same offence coming in about 6 weeks time. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Panther on Jan 20th, 2017 at 3:59pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 3:36pm:
Has Trump lied under oath to Congress? If so, please provide us with your documentation, corroborating your unfounded claim, otherwise you're just blowing smoke rings out yer ass........a typical leftist trait. ;) |
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Title: Re: Trump will uphold his oath to the US Constitution Post by Karnal on Jan 20th, 2017 at 4:01pm Panther wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:02pm:
You're right, Panther. I will. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Bojack Horseman on Jan 20th, 2017 at 4:05pm Panther wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 3:59pm:
You do realise lnogweekend isn't leftist right? |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by longweekend58 on Jan 20th, 2017 at 4:08pm Panther wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 3:59pm:
If you've heard Trump speak you will realise that lying comes second nature to him and perhaps even first nature. It is only a matter of time before he lies to congress because that is what he does. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Panther on Jan 20th, 2017 at 4:16pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
Ah, so you were just blowing smoke-rings....it's was all just made up, wishful thinking....nothing legitimate or remotely realistic. Thanks for the laugh. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by longweekend58 on Jan 20th, 2017 at 5:22pm Panther wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 4:16pm:
Since he is still. president-ELECT he cannot have 'lied in office'... yet. It was rather obvious that it was a prediction - or at least it was to intelligent readers. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by cods on Jan 20th, 2017 at 5:32pm
at the moment I am quite happy with the way Trump speaks...he hasnt been programmed from being in some kind of glorified office for 30 odd years...
he is more honest more saying what he feels not what hes been programmed to say...like Hills... didnt stumble once... I dont know about anyone else but I am hopin g hes a breath of fresh air...I am going to give him a chance at any rate and hope he comes through.... if not he wont last long.....but that goes the same with every new leader..... who knows he might turn out to be a great leader maybe thats what they are frightened of??>.. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 20th, 2017 at 6:19pm cods wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 5:32pm:
"frightened" ? What concerns most people is the fact that he doesn't pay tax, doesn't pay contractors, sexually assaults women, lies every time he opens his mouth, and is accused of raping, beating, and threatening to kill children. Yeah, I suppose women and children have a good reason to be frightened. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Dnarever on Jan 20th, 2017 at 6:51pm cods wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:39am:
All the things that conservative love to see in their own. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Dnarever on Jan 20th, 2017 at 6:53pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 6:19pm:
If this guy was a lefty Cods would be screeching till the cows come home. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Dnarever on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:02pm Quote:
I suspect at least twice a week. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Raven on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:06pm AuntieM wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
More accurately sexually harassed women, though harassment can be considered abuse. Didn't pay taxes for over 18 years, said it was because he was smart. Has been taken to court numerous times for failing to pay contractors, most of which were settled out of court. Crooked and corrupt... jury still out on that. Mocked a disabled journalist on live television. |
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Raven on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:08pm
Would Trump be President if he said and did all the things on the campaign trail but was running as a Democrat?
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Title: Re: Will Trump breach the constitution? Post by Panther on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:40pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 5:22pm:
Check American History......the Last President sworn under oath was Bill Clinton. How many decades do you have to go back to the previous President to be sworn under oath for Congressional Testimony??? I don't even think Nixon was? And JFYI.....Nixon Wasn't Impeached. Being that the House of Representatives, & the United States Senate are both securely in Republican hands, President Trump is even less likely to be sworn in for any testimony whatsoever.....History mate.......History. JFYI.....Trump can lie up a storm in office if it ever occurred to him, but unless he's under sworn oath to Congress, there's no law offense whatsoever. ;) |
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