http://www.bloggerme.com.au/files/images/AusD2.JPG

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lydv6fkAcX1r37zoyo1_500.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_nullius

Terra nullius

Terra nullius (/ˈtɛrə.nʌˈlaɪəs/, plural terrae nullius) is a Latin expression deriving from Roman law meaning "nobody's land",[1] which is used in international law to describe territory which has never been subject to the sovereignty of any state, or over which any prior sovereign has expressly or implicitly relinquished sovereignty. Sovereignty over territory which is terra nullius may be acquired through occupation,[2] (see reception statute) though in some cases doing so would violate an international law or treaty.

That photograph breaks my heart.  I suppose Australia, like the US, has sad, embarrassing moments in its past.

Over the last century or so, however, we've seen more intermarriage in the US between Native Americans and other races.  We've also seen more intermarriage between black Americans and other races.  I'm willing to bet that it's a relatively modest part of the population in my country, who can state with certainty that they are only one race, although government estimates have it pretty low.
http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/06/ST_2015-06-11_multiracial-americans_02-01.png
I wonder if part of the problem is people are only thinking back as far as grandparents, and in the old days, people who were mixed-race, considered it something shameful and tried to keep it as a family secret.  Perhaps many Americans simply don't know their whole history -- I know many survivors of WWII who came here, as well as descendents of slaves, have no records.

I was under the impression that in Australia, you also had high rates of intermarriage between the indigenous people and other races. 

So why are we all still hung up on race and grievances?

AuntieM wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 6:37am:

That photograph breaks my heart.  I suppose Australia, like the US, has sad, embarrassing moments in its past. Over the last century or so, however, we've seen more intermarriage in the US between Native Americans and other races.  We've also seen more intermarriage between black Americans and other races.  I'm willing to bet that it's a relatively modest part of the population in my country, who can state with certainty that they are only one race, although government estimates have it pretty low. http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/06/ST_2015-06-11_multiracial-americans_02-01.png I wonder if part of the problem is people are only thinking back as far as grandparents, and in the old days, people who were mixed-race, considered it something shameful and tried to keep it as a family secret. I was under the impression that in Australia, you also had high rates of intermarriage between the indigenous people and other races.  So why are we all still hung up on race and grievances?

Well, many people who claim to be aboriginal are in fact mixed blood. But their status is not usually the product of marriage.

That picture reminds me so much of my boarding school days back in the mid-50's.

We would assemble just like that on the concrete quad outside the school buildings, and wonder if we were in for a caning before the end of the day. Our shackles were invisible, but they were every bit as binding as any chain around our neck.

These abos were obviously a Work for the Dole mob in earlier times.

Does anyone know why the men are separated into two groups, those with and those without shirts/jackets?

many blessings and compassion unto all hearts , and so

how would you feel ?

let us disassociate ourselves from pre conceived ideologies and programming for a few brief moments

how would you feel if someone barged into your home ,

started ransacking the place .. readjusting and reorganizing items in your house that your ancestors took care of for 60,000 years +

they actually outlawed your native tongue and reprogrammed you with their speech to further separate you from your lineage and birthright

they stole your children locked you up raped your woman

they call you " not original " ab ( not ) original and corrupted your people with hard liquor and dis eases

they carve up your land minerals and resources and profit from the great wealth to this very day

while every year they mark the day as "australia day " get drunk and fill their bellies with lamb as a sacrificial ceremony to commemorate the invasion

and so answer the question without bias if you have the gumption and strength to be honest for a few brief moments ..

how would you feel ?

im interested with forgiveness

namaste

▲

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

Genocide

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the crime. For other uses, see Genocide (disambiguation).


Genocide is intentional action to destroy a people (usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group) in whole or in part. The hybrid word "genocide" is a combination of the Greek word génos ("race, people") and the Latin suffix -cide ("act of killing").[1] The United Nations Genocide Convention defines genocide as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group".[2][3]

The term genocide was coined in response to the Holocaust and the Armenian Genocide;[4][5][6][7][8] it has subsequently been applied to many other mass killings, well-known examples including the Greek genocide, the Assyrian genocide, the Holodomor, the 1971 Bangladesh genocide, the Cambodian genocide, and, more recently, the Guatemalan genocide, the Kurdish genocide, the Bosnian genocide, and the Rwandan genocide.[a]

[b]Etymology[edit]
Genocide has become an official term used in international relations. Before 1944, various terms, including "massacre" and "crimes against humanity" were used to describe intentional, systematic killings (and in 1941, Winston Churchill described the mass killing of Russian POWs and civilians by the German army as "a crime without a name.")[9] In 1943[10] or 1944, Raphael Lemkin created the term genocide, being inspired by the Armenian experience at the hands of the Ottoman Turks,[4][5][6][7][8] to describe policies of systematic murder, in particular those being carried out by the Nazis, and the word was quickly adopted by many in the international community. The word genocide is the combination of the Greek prefix geno- (meaning "tribe" or "race") and caedere (the Latin word for "to kill"), and is defined as a specific set of violent crimes that are committed against a certain group with the attempt to remove the entire group from existence or to destroy them.

The word genocide was later included as a descriptive term to the process of indictment, but not yet as a formal legal term[11] According to Lemkin, genocide was defined as "a coordinated strategy to destroy a group of people, a process that could be accomplished through total annihilation as well as strategies that eliminate key elements of the group's basic existence, including language, culture, and economic infrastructure.” He created a concept of mobilizing much of the international relations and community, to working together and preventing the occurrence of such events happening within history and the international society.[12] Australian anthropologist Peg LeVine coined the term "ritualcide" to describe the destruction of a group's cultural identity without necessarily destroying its members.[13]

The study of genocide has mainly been focused towards the legal aspect of the term. Formally recognizing the act of genocide as a crime involves the undergoing prosecution that begins with not only seeing genocide as outrageous past any moral standpoint, but also may be a legal liability within international relations. When genocide is looked at in a general aspect it is viewed as the deliberate killing of a certain group. Yet is commonly seen to escape the process of trial and prosecution due to the fact that genocide is more often than not committed by the officials in power of a state or area.[clarification needed] In 1648 before the term genocide had been coined, the Peace of Westphalia was established to protect ethnic, national, racial and in some instances religious groups. During the 19th century humanitarian intervention was needed due to the fact of conflict and justification of some of the actions executed by the military.[14]

Raphael Lemkin, in his work Axis Rule in Occupied Europe (1944), or possibly in 1943, coined the term "genocide" by combining Greek genos (γένος, 'race, people') and Latin caedere ('to kill').[15]

Lemkin defined genocide as follows:

Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.[16]

The preamble to the Genocide Convention (CPPCG) notes that instances of genocide have taken place throughout history,[17] but it was not until Lemkin coined the term and the prosecution of perpetrators of the Holocaust at the Nuremberg trials that the United Nations defined the crime of genocide under international law in the Genocide Convention.

During a video interview with Raphael Lemkin for the CBS, news commentator Quincy Howe asked him about how he came to be interested in the crime of genocide. He replied: "I became interested in genocide because it happened so many times. It happened to the Armenians, then after the Armenians, Hitler took action".[18][19]

this white man looks very pleased with himself

as all the men are locked up as he has his way with their women

breeding the black out of this indigenous race thus and then

this is proven and an accepted attribute of the term genocide

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/3100270165_d7d178f00e.jpg

many people upon this land still hold the belief of dominance and control like the white man pictured here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF_SUU6TPNshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh8VJ8sq_zA

Aboriginal Genocide (Australia)Part 1 & Part 2

http://nationalunitygovernment.org/images/2016/chains-header.jpg

lets take a moment to contemplate ,

drop the beat ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ9qeX4gUeo

A.B. Original - January 26 (Official Video)

'Cattle killing was listed as the chief offence for jailing indigenous Australians in the Kimberley region in 1905. Accused offenders were rounded up by police officers and chained by the neck

Accused offenders were rounded up by police officers with the help of their ‘black trackers’ and a Winchester rifle. Once arrested, neck chains were attached to the handcuffs of prisoners - male and female - and they were marched to flimsy jails made of timber.

'Blacks may be arrested without instructions, authority, or information received from the pastoralist whose cattle are alleged to have been killed,' the report reads.

'Children of 14 to 16 years of age are neck chained. There are no regulations as to the size, weight, mode of attachment, or length of chain connecting the necks to any two prisoners.'

One witness told the commission that the chains were not removed during river crossings.

The commission also heard claims of sexual abuse of chained female prisoners at the hands of policemen and their stockmen.

The 1905 report recommended the abolition of neck restraints in both arrests and detention, saying that wrist cuffs would suffice'.


The thing is, Light, is that it's a taboo to write anything that might be construed as even vaguely understanding and in support of those white people who took practical measures to prevent their cattle being butchered by the local natives.

I'll make a judgment when both sides of the story are told, and not just the PC version that paints the white pastoralists as being inhumane 'racist' monsters while the local abos were innocent of all wrong-doing.

Ask yourself why the jails are full of aborigines even now in 2017 - in every state and territory of Australia.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 9:56am:

'Cattle killing was listed as the chief offence for jailing indigenous Australians in the Kimberley region in 1905. Accused offenders were rounded up by police officers and chained by the neck Accused offenders were rounded up by police officers with the help of their ‘black trackers’ and a Winchester rifle. Once arrested, neck chains were attached to the handcuffs of prisoners - male and female - and they were marched to flimsy jails made of timber. 'Blacks may be arrested without instructions, authority, or information received from the pastoralist whose cattle are alleged to have been killed,' the report reads. 'Children of 14 to 16 years of age are neck chained. There are no regulations as to the size, weight, mode of attachment, or length of chain connecting the necks to any two prisoners.' One witness told the commission that the chains were not removed during river crossings. The commission also heard claims of sexual abuse of chained female prisoners at the hands of policemen and their stockmen. The 1905 report recommended the abolition of neck restraints in both arrests and detention, saying that wrist cuffs would suffice'. The thing is, Light, is that it's a taboo to write anything that might be construed as even vaguely understanding and in support of those white people who took practical measures to prevent their cattle being butchered by the local natives. I'll make a judgment when both sides of the story are told, and not just the PC version that paints the white pastoralists as being inhumane 'racist' monsters while the local abos were innocent of all wrong-doing. Ask yourself why the jails are full of aborigines even now in 2017 - in every state and territory of Australia.

Quote:

'Blacks may be arrested without instructions, authority, or information received from the pastoralist whose cattle are alleged to have been killed,' the report reads. 'Children of 14 to 16 years of age are neck chained. There are no regulations as to the size, weight, mode of attachment, or length of chain connecting the necks to any two prisoners.' One witness told the commission that the chains were not removed during river crossings. The commission also heard claims of sexual abuse of chained female prisoners at the hands of policemen and their stockmen. The 1905 report recommended the abolition of neck restraints in both arrests and detention, saying that wrist cuffs would suffice'.[/i]

many blessings herbert

the very fact that you see that there is no crime in this excerpt proves you are callous and programmed to think you are better race than the indigenous upon this land

no doubt you will be filling your belly with the lamb on invasion day

your views are an abomination as you are exposed

without judgement merely observation

as you are forgiven

namaste

▲

many blessings, as we continue to

cleanse and clear old and outdated crimes and ideologies with

loving and sacred frequencies ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHZZuO2vY50

FINGERS Mitchell Cullen Freedom Rides Denmark Markets 2012 Australian Tour Steam Roller

love and light unto all hearts at this station

namaste

▲

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 10:02am:

many blessings herbert the very fact that you see that there is no crime in this excerpt proves you are callous and programmed to think you are better race than the indigenous upon this land.

To be sure, the jailers could have taken more care, but we have to remember they didn't have a Bunnings Hardware Store just around the corner where they could buy chains of different weights and sizes. These were very rough times for all concerned, and having your cattle killed was a threat to life-and-limb of your family stuck out there in the bushlands.

No doubt we of today would have handled things differently - just as today there is no caning of boarding school kids as in my day.



it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 10:02am:

no doubt you will be filling your belly with the lamb on invasion day

;D ;D ;D

Baaaaaaaa!! (Sorry, I meant Bwaaahhhhahahahaha!) Yes, Godless reprobate that I am - I will be feasting on lamb with a lot of mint sauce splashed over it.


it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 10:02am:

your views are an abomination as you are exposed without judgement merely observation.

That's very kind of you.




it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 10:02am:

as you are forgiven namaste ▲

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 10:58am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 10:02am: many blessings herbert the very fact that you see that there is no crime in this excerpt proves you are callous and programmed to think you are better race than the indigenous upon this land. To be sure, the jailers could have taken more care, but we have to remember they didn't have a Bunnings Hardware Store just around the corner where they could buy chains of different weights and sizes. These were very rough times for all concerned, and having your cattle killed was a threat to life-and-limb of your family stuck out there in the bushlands. No doubt we of today would have handled things differently - just as today there is no caning of boarding school kids as in my day. it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 10:02am: no doubt you will be filling your belly with the lamb on invasion day ;D ;D ;D Baaaaaaaa!! (Sorry, I meant Bwaaahhhhahahahaha!) Yes, Godless reprobate that I am - I will be feasting on lamb with a lot of mint sauce splashed over it. it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 10:02am: your views are an abomination as you are exposed without judgement merely observation. That's very kind of you. it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 10:02am: as you are forgiven namaste ▲

many blessings herbert

there is no judgement as you are perfect in your ViBrAtIoN as you have made your choice and invoked your freewill .

and may the creator have mercy upon ye as it is done

and so it is , so be it

namaste

▲

Poms are not embarrassed by or apologized for the atrocities and genocide.

Closet poms have made a facile apology but no compensation.

If it was genocide then how come theres so many abos still walking around the place. They need to get with the plan.

rhino wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 11:25am:

If it was genocide then how come theres so many abos still walking around the place. They need to get with the plan.

Probably because poms are not very productive.

Unforgiven wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 11:26am:

rhino wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 11:25am: If it was genocide then how come theres so many abos still walking around the place. They need to get with the plan. Probably because poms are not very productive.

geez, you must be right. Just look at this country and what its become in the last 200 years. We are only number 3 for standard of living in the world.

The British won, the Aborigines lost. End of story.

rhino wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 11:25am:

If it was genocide then how come theres so many abos still walking around the place.

There's so much you need to learn.

Genocide: "Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group, or forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 12:06pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 11:25am: If it was genocide then how come theres so many abos still walking around the place. There's so much you need to learn. Genocide: "Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group, or forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

Like mass non-Western migration into Western countries. The U.S. will very soon (or maybe already has) have more non-white babies than white babies. If current migration trends continue, the same fate lies ahead for all Western countries. 

Unforgiven wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 11:26am:

rhino wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 11:25am: If it was genocide then how come theres so many abos still walking around the place. They need to get with the plan. Probably because poms are not very productive.

There never was a genocide, neither was there any attempt at such. Its a myth dreamt up by the abos and aided and abbetted by the bed wetters. The historical record confirms this.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 12:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 12:06pm: rhino wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 11:25am: If it was genocide then how come theres so many abos still walking around the place. There's so much you need to learn. Genocide: "Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group, or forcibly transferring children of the group to another group." Like mass non-Western migration into Western countries. The U.S. will very soon (or maybe already has) have more non-white babies than white babies. If current migration trends continue, the same fate lies ahead for all Western countries.

Do you have a problem with that?

Personally, the colour of a baby's skin is of no interest to me.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 11:45am:

The British won, the Aborigines lost. End of story.

Hell no - the abos won, but it's up to them to come to the table to partake of what over 200 different immigrant ethnicities have crossed oceans to enjoy.

They lost abject poverty and gained a First World existence - and it only needs they stop sulking over romantic notions of a glorious abo past and join the rest of us in the mainstream.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 12:17pm:

Like mass non-Western migration into Western countries. The U.S. will very soon (or maybe already has) have more non-white babies than white babies. If current migration trends continue, the same fate lies ahead for all Western countries.

Correct.

Sydney is already phasing out its white demographic in a "Look at US - we're not RACIST!" exercise by our politicians a la Tony Blair.

London is full of Negroes everywhere you look from Croydon to Finchley Park - prompting some to pull up stakes and take refuge in Australia.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 2:45pm:

... London is full of Negroes everywhere you look from Croydon to Finchley Park - prompting some to pull up stakes and take refuge in Australia.

Suck it up Herr Bert.

White n i g g e r s from the UK have been displaced in society by more energetic black and brown people.

The lucky White n i g g e r s got a ten pound trip from UK to Australia as back-loading on a live sheep transporter from the Middle East live stock trade.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 12:27pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 12:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 12:06pm: rhino wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 11:25am: If it was genocide then how come theres so many abos still walking around the place. There's so much you need to learn. Genocide: "Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group, or forcibly transferring children of the group to another group." Like mass non-Western migration into Western countries. The U.S. will very soon (or maybe already has) have more non-white babies than white babies. If current migration trends continue, the same fate lies ahead for all Western countries.  Do you have a problem with that? Personally, the colour of a baby's skin is of no interest to me.

Then why state this?


Quote:

There's so much you need to learn. Genocide: "Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group, or forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 12:27pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 12:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 12:06pm: rhino wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 11:25am: If it was genocide then how come theres so many abos still walking around the place. There's so much you need to learn. Genocide: "Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group, or forcibly transferring children of the group to another group." Like mass non-Western migration into Western countries. The U.S. will very soon (or maybe already has) have more non-white babies than white babies. If current migration trends continue, the same fate lies ahead for all Western countries.  Do you have a problem with that? Personally, the colour of a baby's skin is of no interest to me.

What part of a baby is "of interest to you", Turdy?

http://www.ruthdesouza.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Grandtheft-Australia.jpg

Unforgiven wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 2:55pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 2:45pm: ... London is full of Negroes everywhere you look from Croydon to Finchley Park - prompting some to pull up stakes and take refuge in Australia. Suck it up Herr Bert.

Why didn't you?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:39pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 2:55pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 2:45pm: ... London is full of Negroes everywhere you look from Croydon to Finchley Park - prompting some to pull up stakes and take refuge in Australia. Suck it up Herr Bert. Why didn't you?

he forgot his straw. probably left it at his last party plan felching demonstration.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:39pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 2:55pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 2:45pm: ... London is full of Negroes everywhere you look from Croydon to Finchley Park - prompting some to pull up stakes and take refuge in Australia. Suck it up Herr Bert. Why didn't you?

Herr Bert got on a boat and sought refuge in Australia.

Is Herr Bert preparing to flee again?

Unforgiven wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Herr Bert got on a boat and sought refuge in Australia. Is Herr Bert preparing to flee again?

Feeble.

Couldn't take them Yardies and Nigerians any more, huh?  ;D

Saw a migration ad in the Daily Mail with a photo of Bondi Beach paved with nothing but white-assed honkies and thought "bugger these Sambos! - I'm off to join a white ghetto in Australia!"

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 1:43pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 1:21pm: Herr Bert got on a boat and sought refuge in Australia. Is Herr Bert preparing to flee again? Feeble. Couldn't take them Yardies and Nigerians any more, huh?  ;D Saw a migration ad in the Daily Mail with a photo of Bondi Beach paved with nothing but white-assed honkies and thought "bugger these Sambos! - I'm off to join a white ghetto in Australia!"

If we give you your GBP 10 back, will you return to UK?

Unforgiven wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 1:45pm:

If we give you your GBP 10 back, will you return to UK?

I came FREE.

https://newmatilda.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/daily-tele-invasion-1024x1024.jpg

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 2:16pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 1:45pm: If we give you your GBP 10 back, will you return to UK? I came FREE.

Herr Bert's opportunity to make GBP 10 profit.

http://cdn.sci-news.com/images/enlarge2/image_3272_1e-Aboriginal-Tribes.jpg

Thank you for the photos, Light - keep them coming.

They are a graphic and contemporary reminder of how appalling their circumstances were in terms of poverty as compared to today with them now living in one of the richest nations on the planet.


There have been, er, certain 'discrepancies' of an unfortunate nature, no doubt, but as Julia Gillard so often said : "We're looking FORWARD now ... looking forward ... forward ... we're not going to dwell on the past".

link


Looking forward now.

the fact is terra nullius was a lie

a lie built from a foundation of deceit


Quote:

Terra nullius From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia For other uses, see No Man's Land (disambiguation). Terra nullius (/ˈtɛrə.nʌˈlaɪəs/, plural terrae nullius) is a Latin expression deriving from Roman law meaning "nobody's land",[1] which is used in international law to describe territory which has never been subject to the sovereignty of any state, or over which any prior sovereign has expressly or implicitly relinquished sovereignty. Sovereignty over territory which is terra nullius may be acquired through occupation,[2] (see reception statute) though in some cases doing so would violate an international law or treaty.

the fact is this was and still is indigenous land .

the lie of " settlement " is exposed


Quote:

Australia[edit] Indigenous Australians had inhabited Australia for over 50,000 years before European settlement, which commenced in 1788. Indigenous customs, rituals and laws were unwritten and their social and political organization was unknown or understood by Europeans as being analogous to their own institutions, and the British could not find recognised leaders with whom they could sign treaties. The first test of terra nullius in Australia occurred with the decision of R v Tommy (Monitor, 29 November 1827), which indicated that the native inhabitants were only subject to English law where the incident concerned both natives and settlers. The rationale was that Aboriginal tribal groups already operated under their own legal systems. This position was further reinforced by the decisions of R v Boatman or Jackass and Bulleyes (Sydney Gazette, 25 February 1832) and R v Ballard (Sydney Gazette, 23 April 1829). Prompted by Batman's Treaty (June 1835) with Wurundjeri elders of the area around the future Melbourne, in August 1835, Governor Bourke of New South Wales indicated the significance of the doctrine of terra nullius by a Proclamation that Batman's so-called treaty was null and void because Indigenous Australians could not sell or assign land, nor could an individual person or group acquire it, other than through distribution by the Crown.[3] The first decision of the New South Wales Supreme Court to make explicit use of the term terra nullius was R v Murrell and Bummaree (unreported, New South Wales Supreme Court, 11 April 1836, Burton J). Terra nullius was not endorsed by the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council until the decision of Cooper v Stuart in 1889, some fifty-three years later.[4] In 1971, in the controversial case of Milirrpum v Nabalco Pty Ltd, popularly known as the Gove land rights case, Justice Richard Blackburn ruled that Australia had been considered "desert and uncultivated" (a term which included territory in which resided "uncivilized inhabitants in a primitive state of society") before European settlement, and therefore, by the law that applied at the time, open to be claimed by right of occupancy, and that there was no such thing as native title in Australian law. The concept of terra nullius was not considered in this case, however.[5] Court cases in 1977, 1979, and 1982 – brought by or on behalf of Aboriginal activists – challenged Australian sovereignty on the grounds that terra nullius had been improperly applied, therefore Aboriginal sovereignty should still be regarded as being intact. The courts rejected these cases, but the Australian High Court left the door open for a reassessment of whether the continent should be considered "settled" or "conquered". Later, on 1 February 2014, the traditional owners of land on Badu Island received freehold title to 10,000 hectare in an act of the Queensland Government.[6] In 1982, Eddie Mabo and four other Torres Strait Islanders from Mer (Murray Island) started legal proceedings to establish their traditional land ownership. This led to Mabo v Queensland (No 1). In 1992, after ten years of hearings before the Queensland Supreme Court and the High Court of Australia, the latter court found that the Mer people had owned their land prior to annexation by Queensland.[7] The ruling thus had far-reaching significance for the land claims of both Torres Strait Islanders and other Indigenous Australians. The controversy over Australian land ownership has erupted into the so-called "History wars." Historian Michael Connor, in his critique of the legal fiction, has claimed that the concept of terra nullius was a straw man developed in the late 20th century: By the time of Mabo in 1992, terra nullius was the only explanation for the British settlement of Australia. Historians, more interested in politics than archives, misled the legal profession into believing that a phrase no one had heard of a few years before was the very basis of our statehood, and Reynolds' version of our history, especially The Law of the Land, underpinned the Mabo judges' decision-making.[8] There is some controversy as to the meaning of the term. For example, it is asserted that, rather than implying mere emptiness, terra nullius can be interpreted as an absence of civilized society. English common law of the 18th century allowed for the legal settlement of "uninhabited or barbarous country".[9]

the sovereign people recognized

the theft of this land is observed

http://www.ruthdesouza.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Grandtheft-Australia.jpg

namaste

▲

We're looking FORWARD now, Light ... forward ... into the future. No turning to look over our shoulder like Lot's wife did.

'The narrative of Lot's wife begins in Genesis 19 after two angels arrived in Sodom, at eventide, and were invited to spend the night at Lot's home. As dawn was breaking, Lot's visiting angels urged him to get his family and flee, so as to avoid being caught in the impending disaster for the iniquity of the city. Lot delayed, so the angels took hold of his hand, his wife's hand and his daughters and brought them out of the city. The command was given, "Flee for your life! Do not look behind you, nor stop anywhere in the Plain; flee to the hills, lest you be swept away."[1]:465 Lot objected to the idea of fleeing to the hills and requested safe haven at a little town nearby. The request was granted and the town became known as Zoar. Traveling behind her husband, Lot's wife looked back, and became a pillar of salt.[1]:466

8-)

It only requires that the aborigines join the rest of us to build meaningful lives for themselves to then be numbered among the most privileged people in the world.

Why aren't they doing this, Light?

The "poor-me!" victimhood act is hurting nobody but themselves and their future generations.

There isn't a migrant community in Australia who doesn't believe the Abo Victimhood Industry isn't a ploy to avoid having to work for a living just like millions of immigrants have arrived here to do.

Old saying:

'"Cutting off the nose to spite the face" is an expression used to describe a needlessly self-destructive over-reaction to a problem: "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face" is a warning against acting out of pique, or against pursuing revenge in a way that would damage oneself more than the object of one's anger.[1"   

I wuz robbed too, Light. When I had only peanuts in the bank someone broke into my house and took what little I had. I haven't spent the rest of my life trying to capitalise on this unfortunate and unfair event.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 9:17am:

We're looking FORWARD now, Light ... forward ... into the future. No turning to look over our shoulder like Lot's wife did. 'The narrative of Lot's wife begins in Genesis 19 after two angels arrived in Sodom, at eventide, and were invited to spend the night at Lot's home. As dawn was breaking, Lot's visiting angels urged him to get his family and flee, so as to avoid being caught in the impending disaster for the iniquity of the city. Lot delayed, so the angels took hold of his hand, his wife's hand and his daughters and brought them out of the city. The command was given, "Flee for your life! Do not look behind you, nor stop anywhere in the Plain; flee to the hills, lest you be swept away."[1]:465 Lot objected to the idea of fleeing to the hills and requested safe haven at a little town nearby. The request was granted and the town became known as Zoar. Traveling behind her husband, Lot's wife looked back, and became a pillar of salt.[1]:466 8-)

Quote:

Leviticus 19:11 ESV / “You shall not steal; you shall not deal falsely; you shall not lie to one another.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 9:25am:

It only requires that the aborigines join the rest of us to build meaningful lives for themselves to then be numbered among the most privileged people in the world. Why aren't they doing this, Light? The "poor-me!" victimhood act is hurting nobody but themselves and their future generations. There isn't a migrant community in Australia who doesn't believe the Abo Victimhood Industry isn't a ploy to avoid having to work for a living just like millions of immigrants have arrived here to do. Old saying: '"Cutting off the nose to spite the face" is an expression used to describe a needlessly self-destructive over-reaction to a problem: "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face" is a warning against acting out of pique, or against pursuing revenge in a way that would damage oneself more than the object of one's anger.[1"    I wuz robbed too, Light. When I had only peanuts in the bank someone broke into my house and took what little I had. I haven't spent the rest of my life trying to capitalise on this unfortunate and unfair event.

Quote:

Exodus 22:2-3 ESV / If a thief is found breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there shall be no bloodguilt for him, but if the sun has risen on him, there shall be bloodguilt for him. He shall surely pay. If he has nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myGZL9r6LQchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWTjZF0WD8Q

Genocide in Australia EXPOSED - Australian Aborigines Genocide

TERRA NULLIUS IS A LIE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95ilmUeArx0

THE TRUE HOLOCAUST AND GENOCIDE OF THE AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINES

Published on May 3, 2014
GENOCIDE OF THE AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINES. The isolation of Tasmania's Black aborigines ended in 1642 with the arrival and intrusion of the first Europeans. Abel Jansen Tasman, the Dutch navigator after whom the island is named, anchored off the Tasmanian coast in early December, 1642. On March 5, 1772, a French expedition led by Nicholas Marion du Fresne landed on the island. Within a few hours his sailors had shot several Aborigines. On January 28, 1777, the British landed on the island. Following coastal New South Wales in Australia, Tasmania was established as a British convict settlement in 1803. These convicts had been harshly traumatized and were exceptionally brutal. In addition to soldiers, administrators, and missionaries, eventually more than 65,000 men and women convicts were settled in Tasmania. A glaringly inefficient penal system allowed such convicts to escape into the Tasmanian hinterland where they exercised the full measure of their blood-lust and brutality upon the island's Black occupants. According to social historian Clive Turnbull, the activities of these criminals would soon include the "shooting, bashing out brains, burning alive, and slaughter of Aborigines for dogs' meat."

जो गलती करे वह मनुष्य है, जो गलती ही न करे वह ईश्वर।

trans. : 'To err is human, to forgive is divine'.

:P

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 9:41am:

TERRA NULLIUS IS A LIE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95ilmUeArx0 THE TRUE HOLOCAUST AND GENOCIDE OF THE AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINES Published on May 3, 2014 GENOCIDE OF THE AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINES. The isolation of Tasmania's Black aborigines ended in 1642 with the arrival and intrusion of the first Europeans. Abel Jansen Tasman, the Dutch navigator after whom the island is named, anchored off the Tasmanian coast in early December, 1642. On March 5, 1772, a French expedition led by Nicholas Marion du Fresne landed on the island. Within a few hours his sailors had shot several Aborigines. On January 28, 1777, the British landed on the island. Following coastal New South Wales in Australia, Tasmania was established as a British convict settlement in 1803. These convicts had been harshly traumatized and were exceptionally brutal. In addition to soldiers, administrators, and missionaries, eventually more than 65,000 men and women convicts were settled in Tasmania. A glaringly inefficient penal system allowed such convicts to escape into the Tasmanian hinterland where they exercised the full measure of their blood-lust and brutality upon the island's Black occupants. According to social historian Clive Turnbull, the activities of these criminals would soon include the "shooting, bashing out brains, burning alive, and slaughter of Aborigines for dogs' meat."

Not official policy, but idiosyncratic to a very few individuals.

And what do you think nulla-nullas were for? Rolling pastry? They were specifically designed for bashing brains out.

The hypocrisy of the "Invasion Day" crowd is that none of them, black or white, would want to live the way the Aboriginal clans did before European settlement; no modern dentistry, no electric light, no antibiotics, no social equality between men and women, no redress before the law, no contact with the outside world. Oh yeah, they are all holier than the evil colonials, but they couldn't survive for an hour without their bloody smart phones, let alone build a nation.

it appears many are too ignorant and programmed to accept the past

when we accept the past depicted here we can move forward with healing

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myGZL9r6LQchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWTjZF0WD8Q

Genocide in Australia EXPOSED - Australian Aborigines Genocide

yet either way be at peace

namaste

▲

;D

Light - do you see those nice, clean, well-fed girls there?


and then ...


http://farm1.staticflickr.com/362/32433083666_71e7681ac8_b.jpg

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 1:44pm:

it appears many are too ignorant and programmed to accept the past when we accept the past depicted here we can move forward with healing.

And 'healing' consists of what?

The Prime Minister saying "Sorry" - ?

The tax-payers being milked for millions over several decades?

Aborigines being given the vote?

Aborigines NOT having to sign Reciprocal Agreements with Centrelink in order to keep receiving the dole?

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 1:44pm:

it appears many are too ignorant and programmed to accept the past when we accept the past depicted here we can move forward with healing [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myGZL9r6LQchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWTjZF0WD8Q Genocide in Australia EXPOSED - Australian Aborigines Genocide yet either way be at peace namaste ▲

Healing? I didn't do anything. Neither has anybody I know. My Australian ancestors come from the city so I'd say they are pretty innocent too.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 2:01pm:

Healing? I didn't do anything. Neither has anybody I know. My Australian ancestors come from the city so I'd say they are pretty innocent too.

'Healing' is actually code for 'money', Mr Hammer. Plenty of it. Endlessly.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 2:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 2:01pm: Healing? I didn't do anything. Neither has anybody I know. My Australian ancestors come from the city so I'd say they are pretty innocent too. 'Healing' is actually code for 'money', Mr Hammer. Plenty of it. Endlessly.

It's all stearing towards a treaty. If the abbos get custody of our country and our land then it's time to pick up a gun in my opinion. That's like giving your house keys to a meth head.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 2:22pm:

That's like giving your house keys to a meth head.

Are the family visiting, Homo?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 2:25pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 2:22pm: That's like giving your house keys to a meth head. Are the family visiting, Homo?

At least my family didn't piss off.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 2:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 2:25pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 2:22pm: That's like giving your house keys to a meth head. Are the family visiting, Homo? At least my family didn't piss off.

Hostage situation?

:-/

..

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 2:22pm:

It's all stearing towards a treaty. If the abbos get custody of our country and our land then it's time to pick up a gun in my opinion. That's like giving your house keys to a meth head.

WE owe it to the abos to see them all happy and prosperous, healthy and with good purpose in their lives. Australia will never be a complete nation until our indigenous people are accommodated to their own satisfaction. We live in deficit until that time arrives.

the big mistake was not forcing all of them to assimilate.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 2:34pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 2:22pm: It's all stearing towards a treaty. If the abbos get custody of our country and our land then it's time to pick up a gun in my opinion. That's like giving your house keys to a meth head. WE owe it to the abos to see them all happy and prosperous, healthy and with good purpose in their lives. Australia will never be a complete nation until our indigenous people are accommodated to their own satisfaction. We live in deficit until that time arrives.

They have better opportunities than white people in this country, the balls in their court.

rhino wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 3:27pm:

the big mistake was not forcing all of them to assimilate.

You don't think forcing people off their land into missions, banning the use of their own language, and making them work as labourers and domestic servants in return for sugar and flour is forcing them to assimilate?

Shurely shome mishtake.

rhino wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 3:28pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 2:34pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 2:22pm: It's all stearing towards a treaty. If the abbos get custody of our country and our land then it's time to pick up a gun in my opinion. That's like giving your house keys to a meth head. WE owe it to the abos to see them all happy and prosperous, healthy and with good purpose in their lives. Australia will never be a complete nation until our indigenous people are accommodated to their own satisfaction. We live in deficit until that time arrives. They have better opportunities than white people in this country, the balls in their court.

Ah.

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 4:58pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 3:27pm: the big mistake was not forcing all of them to assimilate. You don't think forcing people off their land into missions, banning the use of their own language, and making them work as labourers and domestic servants for sugar and flour is forcing them to assimilate? Shurely shome mishtake.

nah, for the vast majority of full bloods they have been left alone in their communities now supported by tax payer dollars. Most of what you state was only done to those with part white blood in order to protect them.

Karnal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 4:59pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 3:28pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 2:34pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 2:22pm: It's all stearing towards a treaty. If the abbos get custody of our country and our land then it's time to pick up a gun in my opinion. That's like giving your house keys to a meth head. WE owe it to the abos to see them all happy and prosperous, healthy and with good purpose in their lives. Australia will never be a complete nation until our indigenous people are accommodated to their own satisfaction. We live in deficit until that time arrives. They have better opportunities than white people in this country, the balls in their court. Ah.

I see the pennys dropped.

rhino wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 5:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 4:58pm: rhino wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 3:27pm: the big mistake was not forcing all of them to assimilate. You don't think forcing people off their land into missions, banning the use of their own language, and making them work as labourers and domestic servants for sugar and flour is forcing them to assimilate? Shurely shome mishtake. nah, for the vast majority of full bloods they have been left alone in their communities now supported by tax payer dollars. Most of what you state was only done to those with part white blood in order to protect them.

The most terribly sad thing is that you actually believe that.

rhino wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 5:01pm:

Most of what you state was only done to those with part white blood in order to protect them.

Correct.

Aborigine mothers of 'white' kids have said they never let their child out of their sight because they would be bullied brutally by the other kids with the connivance of their parents.

And Mothra? -- it's time you started reading some of the books and sources which weren't rubber-stamped 'PASSED' for publication by politically correct academics and publishing firms. You really need to do that to acquaint yourself with what the PC mob don't want you and school-children to know.

No Herbie, it's about time you read something that wasn't written by Pickering or for the Daily Mail.

Your ignorance is astounding.

Australia will never give the abbos a treaty. The US never did it, the Turks never did it when they colonised loads of countries, the Indonesians never  did it in Irian Jaya etc. In fact loads of peoples around the world have colonised other peoples lands  and they still haven't did it. The only people stupid enough to have did this off the top of my head  is New Zealand.

miam

rhino wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 3:27pm:

the big mistake was not forcing all of them to assimilate.

That's a vexed question.

There are aborigines who are definitely not suited to the fast-paced rat-race that most of us suffer for our daily bread and our entertainments, but those young urban aborigines should certainly be channelled into learning at least some basic job skills that would earn them a living. 

mothra wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 6:14pm:

No Herbie, it's about time you read something that wasn't written by Pickering or for the Daily Mail. Your ignorance is astounding.

Reading your posts I can see that you still have the mindset of a schoolgirl who once went through school hearing all the Leftwing versions of Australian history and the aboriginal stories.

It's time you jumped into the deep end and disabused yourself of all those childish and simplistic notions that they wanted to instill in you wide-eyed virgin school-kids all those years ago.

You have nothing to fear but losing your virgin innocence on these matters.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 7:11pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 3:27pm: the big mistake was not forcing all of them to assimilate. That's a vexed question. There are aborigines who are definitely not suited to the fast-paced rat-race that most of us suffer for our daily bread and our entertainments, but those young urban aborigines should certainly be channelled into learning at least some basic job skills that would earn them a living.

theres plenty of white people not suited to it either. Most urban aboriginals are 90 percent white.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 2:22pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 2:17pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 2:01pm: Healing? I didn't do anything. Neither has anybody I know. My Australian ancestors come from the city so I'd say they are pretty innocent too. 'Healing' is actually code for 'money', Mr Hammer. Plenty of it. Endlessly. It's all stearing towards a treaty. If the abbos get custody of our country and our land then it's time to pick up a gun in my opinion. That's like giving your house keys to a meth head.

many blessings

this is a big concept many fail to realize ..

its not your country .. it has been stolen by the queen ..

many dupes think they belong to the royal lineage or something ..

they tell you its dinkum and encourage you to wave her union jack and get sentiMENTAL about another genocide , one of brave diggers at the hands of the monarchy whom ethnically cleansed many white australians also at gallipoli ..

its all crown ( cronos ) land and all receive a wage or income for labour and that's taxed , you pay rates for a house or land ..you pay tax/rego for your car ,tax on everything you buy , many continue to bleat yes

yet its not your country

it was stolen with " legalese " by the monarchy and now everyone is up to the wise

many go to the mines and " rake it in " ( more theft ) and yet after the workers get paid

the multinationals are taking over 90% of the equity , the theft keeps going , however

the theft is being observed and will be validated when the land is RIGHTFULLY given back from those it was stolen from .

yet believe the truth or live in your past

all the theft will be paid back to the rightful owners

the white australia policy is finished and the dinosaurs of that racist ideology will fade into insignificance

though either way be at peace

namaste


▲

rhino wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 7:47pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 7:11pm: rhino wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 3:27pm: the big mistake was not forcing all of them to assimilate. That's a vexed question. There are aborigines who are definitely not suited to the fast-paced rat-race that most of us suffer for our daily bread and our entertainments, but those young urban aborigines should certainly be channelled into learning at least some basic job skills that would earn them a living.  theres plenty of white people not suited to it either. Most urban aboriginals are 90 percent white.

yes because mainly from all the murder , and the consequent genocide

documented facts are abundant

yet you are forgiven for your evidently racist upbringing

namaste

http://image.slidesharecdn.com/3a-australias-government-terra-nullius-federation-160217002719/95/3a-australias-government-terra-nullius-and-federation-4-638.jpg

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/maboslide-130912231943-phpapp02/95/mabo-slide-5-638.jpg

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 3:55am:

its not your country .. it has been stolen by the queen ..

And we've been paying the rent ever since.

The application of the term 'terra nullius' means we no longer need to hear the term 'Invasion Day'. An invasion would have been necessary to take control of the country had it been owned by a sovereign nation. Surely a man of your undoubted intellect understands that, hmmmmmmmmm?

There has been talk of changing the date of Australia Day and Raven is all for it.

January 26 is not Australia Day, if anything it should be called First Fleet Day.

We didn't become a country until January 1 1901. If only the Federation Fathers picked another date then New Years Day.

Perhaps a better date would be May 27, the date of the 1967 referendum that recognised Aboriginal people in the census and allowed the federal government to make laws in regard to Aboriginal people.

It is still the largest yes vote in Australian history.

Raven wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 12:29am:

There has been talk of changing the date of Australia Day and Raven is all for it. January 26 is not Australia Day, if anything it should be called First Fleet Day. We didn't become a country until January 1 1901. If only the Federation Fathers picked another date then New Years Day. Perhaps a better date would be May 27, the date of the 1967 referendum that recognised Aboriginal people in the census and allowed the federal government to make laws in regard to Aboriginal people. It is still the largest yes vote in Australian history.

Nope.

It's 'Australia Day' - not 'Aborigine Day'.

Raven wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 12:29am:

January 26 is not Australia Day, if anything it should be called First Fleet Day. We didn't become a country until January 1 1901.

Good point Raven

Raven wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 12:29am:

There has been talk of changing the date of Australia Day and Raven is all for it. January 26 is not Australia Day, if anything it should be called First Fleet Day. We didn't become a country until January 1 1901. If only the Federation Fathers picked another date then New Years Day. Perhaps a better date would be May 27, the date of the 1967 referendum that recognised Aboriginal people in the census and allowed the federal government to make laws in regard to Aboriginal people. It is still the largest yes vote in Australian history.

Next time you speak to Raven, tell him there is someone  on OZPolitic who keeps citing him. He might not be too happy about it. He might want to speak for himself.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 10:50am:

Raven wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 12:29am: There has been talk of changing the date of Australia Day and Raven is all for it. January 26 is not Australia Day, if anything it should be called First Fleet Day. We didn't become a country until January 1 1901. If only the Federation Fathers picked another date then New Years Day. Perhaps a better date would be May 27, the date of the 1967 referendum that recognised Aboriginal people in the census and allowed the federal government to make laws in regard to Aboriginal people. It is still the largest yes vote in Australian history. Nope. It's 'Australia Day' - not 'Aborigine Day'.

Yeah and we still had laws that excluded the first Australians well into the 20th century.

Change Australia Day. But don't whinge if we want to change the dates of minority special days.

Raven wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 10:50am: Raven wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 12:29am: There has been talk of changing the date of Australia Day and Raven is all for it. January 26 is not Australia Day, if anything it should be called First Fleet Day. We didn't become a country until January 1 1901. If only the Federation Fathers picked another date then New Years Day. Perhaps a better date would be May 27, the date of the 1967 referendum that recognised Aboriginal people in the census and allowed the federal government to make laws in regard to Aboriginal people. It is still the largest yes vote in Australian history. Nope. It's 'Australia Day' - not 'Aborigine Day'. Yeah and we still had laws that excluded the first Australians well into the 20th century.

Raven, it matters not what day its on.

Unless it's called invasion day and all the whites are forced to walk around self-flagellating or even of every Aboriginal is allowed to spear a whitey in the leg, there will be haters and protesters.

The Brits were brutal, sure, but if it wasn't the Brits it would have been the Spanish or the Dutch etc and none of this would be being discussed because total genocide would have been undertaken.

It should be renamed BE THANKFUL DAY!

Raven wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 10:50am: Raven wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 12:29am: There has been talk of changing the date of Australia Day and Raven is all for it. January 26 is not Australia Day, if anything it should be called First Fleet Day. We didn't become a country until January 1 1901. If only the Federation Fathers picked another date then New Years Day. Perhaps a better date would be May 27, the date of the 1967 referendum that recognised Aboriginal people in the census and allowed the federal government to make laws in regard to Aboriginal people. It is still the largest yes vote in Australian history. Nope. It's 'Australia Day' - not 'Aborigine Day'. Yeah and we still had laws that excluded the first Australians well into the 20th century.

Yeah. And we used to use firewood for cooking, smoke signals for communication and live in mud hits. But guess what? we advanced. Pity the abos cant do the same.

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 4:30pm:

The Brits were brutal, sure, but if it wasn't the Brits it would have been the Spanish or the Dutch etc and none of this would be being discussed because total genocide would have been undertaken. It should be renamed BE THANKFUL DAY!

BO, it could have be even worse.

Imagine if different nations staked claims in different areas and fought it out. No doubt the Aboriginals would have been caught in the middle and copped it even worse.

As you said, it was going to be someone. Humans have been surging back and forth across the earth for 200k years and through either fkucing or fighting, one culture becomes dominant.

A better way to look at it would be Aboriginals are lucky they went for as long as they did without being fkuced or fought out of existence.

flippity

Raven wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 12:29am:

Perhaps a better date would be May 27, the date of the 1967 referendum that recognised Aboriginal people in the census and allowed the federal government to make laws in regard to Aboriginal people.

The most Aussie of all dates that could be an acceptable change would be May 8.  :) :)


If you didn't get the reason you should be fkken flogged then deported in chain to the middle east or somewhere equally as sh1tty.

Gordon wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 4:30pm: The Brits were brutal, sure, but if it wasn't the Brits it would have been the Spanish or the Dutch etc and none of this would be being discussed because total genocide would have been undertaken. It should be renamed BE THANKFUL DAY! BO, it could have be even worse. Imagine if different nations staked claims in different areas and fought it out. No doubt the Aboriginals would have been caught in the middle and copped it even worse. As you said, it was going to be someone. Humans have been surging back and forth across the earth for 200k years and through either fkucing or fighting, one culture becomes dominant. A better way to look at it would be Aboriginals are lucky they went for as long as they did without being fkuced or fought out of existence.

If it wasn't for the Brits they would probably not be here today.   People just don't seem to understand that.

How many years....all of those I've been here.....have we had this crap conversation at this time of year.

The Abos are a defeated Nation and that commenced 26th January.  That was the day we commenced to destroy them and their way of life and I don't care how lousy people rate that way of life.

Facts are facts.

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 5:46pm:

How many years....all of those I've been here.....have we had this crap conversation at this time of year. The Abos are a defeated Nation and that commenced 26th January.  That was the day we commenced to destroy them and their way of life and I don't care how lousy people rate that way of life. Facts are facts.

This is these days mate, they were burning witches 300yrs ago, moving forward.

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 5:46pm:

How many years....all of those I've been here.....have we had this crap conversation at this time of year. The Abos are a defeated Nation and that commenced 26th January.  That was the day we commenced to destroy them and their way of life and I don't care how lousy people rate that way of life. Facts are facts.

The English are to Abos what Uber will be to taxis.
Hope you can assimilate.

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 4:30pm:

The Brits were brutal, sure, but if it wasn't the Brits it would have been the Spanish or the Dutch etc and none of this would be being discussed because total genocide would have been undertaken. It should be renamed BE THANKFUL DAY!

when you think Capt Cook was killed  by pacific islanders....

lets be honest here....

he wasnt a murderer....and as far as I know no Aborigines were murdered on his discovery tour

Australia Day is Capt Cooks landing..

why turn it into  something that actually didnt happen...this country was never invaded...Capt Cook was an amazing person he chartered almost all of the southern hemisphere

he was never a Naval Commander.... as was Horatio Nelson.. he was sent on a tour of Discovery...not a tour of invasion.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 5:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 5:46pm: How many years....all of those I've been here.....have we had this crap conversation at this time of year. The Abos are a defeated Nation and that commenced 26th January.  That was the day we commenced to destroy them and their way of life and I don't care how lousy people rate that way of life. Facts are facts. This is these days mate, they were burning witches 300yrs ago, moving forward.

Great, let's call the day they burned witches, "Burning Witches Day."

No skin off my nose.

Facts are facts.

cods wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 4:30pm: The Brits were brutal, sure, but if it wasn't the Brits it would have been the Spanish or the Dutch etc and none of this would be being discussed because total genocide would have been undertaken. It should be renamed BE THANKFUL DAY! when you think Capt Cook was killed  by pacific islanders.... lets be honest here.... he wasnt a murderer....and as far as I know no Aborigines were murdered on his discovery tour Australia Day is Capt Cooks landing.. why turn it into  something that actually didnt happen...this country was never invaded...Capt Cook was an amazing person he chartered almost all of the southern hemisphere he was never a Naval Commander.... as was Horatio Nelson.. he was sent on a tour of Discovery...not a tour of invasion.

Cods, cods, cods.......please?  And you wonder why people challenge what you post?  Fair go, mate.

Link.

Have to wonder where the abbos would be right now if not for Captain Cook.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 6:23pm:

Have to wonder where the abbos would be right now if not for Captain Cook.

A distant memory.

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 5:46pm:

How many years....all of those I've been here.....have we had this crap conversation at this time of year. The Abos are a defeated Nation and that commenced 26th January.  That was the day we commenced to destroy them and their way of life and I don't care how lousy people rate that way of life. Facts are facts.

  Absolutely true Aussie and so much ignorant comment here it makes my eyes water. Do carry on though.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 6:23pm:

Have to wonder where the abbos would be right now if not for Captain Cook.

The Indonesians  would have them in head coverings .

Agnes wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 5:46pm: How many years....all of those I've been here.....have we had this crap conversation at this time of year. The Abos are a defeated Nation and that commenced 26th January.  That was the day we commenced to destroy them and their way of life and I don't care how lousy people rate that way of life. Facts are facts.   Absolutely true Aussie and so much ignorant comment here it makes my eyes water. Do carry on though.

What did we do?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 7:01pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 6:23pm: Have to wonder where the abbos would be right now if not for Captain Cook. The Indonesians  would have them in head coverings .

BS, they would have killed them.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 7:02pm:

Agnes wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 6:58pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 5:46pm: How many years....all of those I've been here.....have we had this crap conversation at this time of year. The Abos are a defeated Nation and that commenced 26th January.  That was the day we commenced to destroy them and their way of life and I don't care how lousy people rate that way of life. Facts are facts.   Absolutely true Aussie and so much ignorant comment here it makes my eyes water. Do carry on though. What did we do?

Nothing we could not easily do.  No big deal.

Do people suppose the 'Zoo hypothesis' should have been applied to Aboriginals?  Should they have been left alone to socially evolve, examined like insects in a jar while the world around them moved to modernity?

Can anyone suggest a different way it could have gone down?

Send to them to Tasmania with the Jews?    :D

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 7:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 7:01pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 6:23pm: Have to wonder where the abbos would be right now if not for Captain Cook. The Indonesians  would have them in head coverings . BS, they would have killed them.

Probably after they found out how useless they are.

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 7:02pm: Agnes wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 6:58pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 5:46pm: How many years....all of those I've been here.....have we had this crap conversation at this time of year. The Abos are a defeated Nation and that commenced 26th January.  That was the day we commenced to destroy them and their way of life and I don't care how lousy people rate that way of life. Facts are facts.   Absolutely true Aussie and so much ignorant comment here it makes my eyes water. Do carry on though. What did we do? Nothing we could not easily do.  No big deal.

It seems to me that white people are being penalised for the past.

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 7:21pm:

Send to them to Tasmania with the Jews?    :D

Oh, look!  It's PA's Black Orchid trying very hard to not invite a response from the magnet.  They just can't stay away from it.  The power is too strong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6FBfAQ-NDE

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 7:21pm: Send to them to Tasmania with the Jews?    :D Oh, look!  It's PA's Black Orchid trying very hard to not invite a response from the magnet.  They just can't stay away from it.  The power is too strong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6FBfAQ-NDE

Poof

.

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 7:21pm:

Send to them to Tasmania with the Jews?    :D

And make lots of little Abojewberries

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 7:21pm:

Send to them to Tasmania with the Jews?    :D

Hey aussie, OZ day tomorrow, OZ is not "dominantly islam" yet much to your regret, off to your local mosque for a few pork snags I take it.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 7:55pm:

Hey aussie, OZ day tomorrow, OZ is not "dominantly islam" yet much to your regret, off to your local mosque for a few pork snags I take it.

Nah, I'll be driving the Cab as I always give 'my' drivers every public holiday, the day off.  I fill their shift.

Nasty of me, I know.

Gordon wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 7:53pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 7:21pm: Send to them to Tasmania with the Jews?    :D And make lots of little Abojewberries

Now you are getting the idea   :D

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 8:02pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Black Orchid wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 7:21pm: Send to them to Tasmania with the Jews?    :D And make lots of little Abojewberries Now you are getting the idea   :D

Jewboriginie sounds better.

Kosher goanna..... nomnomnom

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 8:01pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 7:55pm: Hey aussie, OZ day tomorrow, OZ is not "dominantly islam" yet much to your regret, off to your local mosque for a few pork snags I take it. Nah, I'll be driving the Cab as I always give 'my' drivers every public holiday, the day off.  I fill their shift. Nasty of me, I know.

If Australia becomes dominantly Islam stiff, that was your statement, do you stand by that or do you wish to retract that before Australia day.

Flip

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 8:01pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 7:55pm: Hey aussie, OZ day tomorrow, OZ is not "dominantly islam" yet much to your regret, off to your local mosque for a few pork snags I take it. Nah, I'll be driving the Cab as I always give 'my' drivers every public holiday, the day off.  I fill their shift. Nasty of me, I know.

Or you could let them drive and keep 100% - costs. :)

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 8:01pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 7:55pm: Hey aussie, OZ day tomorrow, OZ is not "dominantly islam" yet much to your regret, off to your local mosque for a few pork snags I take it. Nah, I'll be driving the Cab as I always give 'my' drivers every public holiday, the day off.  I fill their shift. Nasty of me, I know.

Do your drivers still get paid for the day?

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 4:30pm:

The Brits were brutal, sure, but if it wasn't the Brits it would have been the Spanish or the Dutch etc and none of this would be being discussed because total genocide would have been undertaken. It should be renamed BE THANKFUL DAY!

My own Italian landlord of 15 years scolded me that the British were most guilty for having allowed today's Australia the legacy of a whinging, bitching, whining latest generation of aborigines.

I don't happen to share his view, but I certainly understand the impatience and frustration of people who think this way.

Trust me, if you think the English were bad, you should have spent my decades in the immigrant factories of Australia listening to what the 'New Australians' thought about certain things.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 8:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 8:01pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 7:55pm: Hey aussie, OZ day tomorrow, OZ is not "dominantly islam" yet much to your regret, off to your local mosque for a few pork snags I take it. Nah, I'll be driving the Cab as I always give 'my' drivers every public holiday, the day off.  I fill their shift. Nasty of me, I know. If Australia becomes dominantly Islam stiff, that was your statement, do you stand by that or do you wish to retract that before Australia day.

No.  Why should I?  Have you heard of the latest thing?  Apparently, it's a ripper.   New fandangled Greek thing they say....something called 'democracy.'  Have you heard about it?  Can you help me out with what it means?

rhino wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 8:27pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 8:01pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 7:55pm: Hey aussie, OZ day tomorrow, OZ is not "dominantly islam" yet much to your regret, off to your local mosque for a few pork snags I take it. Nah, I'll be driving the Cab as I always give 'my' drivers every public holiday, the day off.  I fill their shift. Nasty of me, I know. Do your drivers still get paid for the day?

If they want to drive, I'm happy.  I get the day off.

If they'd rather have the day with their Family or whatever, I'll fill in.

Too hard for you, or do you still have no idea how the Taxi thing works?

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 8:31pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 8:12pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 8:01pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 7:55pm: Hey aussie, OZ day tomorrow, OZ is not "dominantly islam" yet much to your regret, off to your local mosque for a few pork snags I take it. Nah, I'll be driving the Cab as I always give 'my' drivers every public holiday, the day off.  I fill their shift. Nasty of me, I know. If Australia becomes dominantly Islam stiff, that was your statement, do you stand by that or do you wish to retract that before Australia day. No.  Why should I?  Have you heard of the latest thing?  Apparently, it's a ripper.   New fandangled Greek thing they say....something called 'democracy.'  Have you heard about it?  Can you help me out with what it means?

Democracy??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The thing that got Trump in.

rhino wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 8:27pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 8:01pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 7:55pm: Hey aussie, OZ day tomorrow, OZ is not "dominantly islam" yet much to your regret, off to your local mosque for a few pork snags I take it. Nah, I'll be driving the Cab as I always give 'my' drivers every public holiday, the day off.  I fill their shift. Nasty of me, I know. Do your drivers still get paid for the day?

If they were uber drivers they could wake up in the morning and see if they feellike working, or go to work then change their mind and go home......then change their mind again   ;D

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 8:27pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 8:01pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 7:55pm: Hey aussie, OZ day tomorrow, OZ is not "dominantly islam" yet much to your regret, off to your local mosque for a few pork snags I take it. Nah, I'll be driving the Cab as I always give 'my' drivers every public holiday, the day off.  I fill their shift. Nasty of me, I know. Do your drivers still get paid for the day? If they want to drive, I'm happy.  I get the day off. If they'd rather have the day with their Family or whatever, I'll fill in. Too hard for you, or do you still have no idea how the Taxi thing works?

Simple enough question i would think. Why the reluctance to answer? Im sure its magnanimous of you to fill in, if you do, who gets paid, you or the driver? Or both?

rhino wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 8:41pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 8:36pm: rhino wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 8:27pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 8:01pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 7:55pm: Hey aussie, OZ day tomorrow, OZ is not "dominantly islam" yet much to your regret, off to your local mosque for a few pork snags I take it. Nah, I'll be driving the Cab as I always give 'my' drivers every public holiday, the day off.  I fill their shift. Nasty of me, I know. Do your drivers still get paid for the day? If they want to drive, I'm happy.  I get the day off. If they'd rather have the day with their Family or whatever, I'll fill in. Too hard for you, or do you still have no idea how the Taxi thing works? Simple enough question i would think. Why the reluctance to answer? Im sure its magnanimous of you to fill in, if you do, who gets paid, you or the driver? Or both?

Let me know when you have worked it out that taxi drivers are not employees who get the day off, so the Owner drives when they could, and the Owner hands over the day's take to them.

The sheer, ignorant and the stupidity of your argumentative comments and your target (me) is reminiscent.

Ozzies giving his driver an unpaid day off. What a guy.

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 8:51pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 8:41pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 8:36pm: rhino wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 8:27pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 8:01pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 7:55pm: Hey aussie, OZ day tomorrow, OZ is not "dominantly islam" yet much to your regret, off to your local mosque for a few pork snags I take it. Nah, I'll be driving the Cab as I always give 'my' drivers every public holiday, the day off.  I fill their shift. Nasty of me, I know. Do your drivers still get paid for the day? If they want to drive, I'm happy.  I get the day off. If they'd rather have the day with their Family or whatever, I'll fill in. Too hard for you, or do you still have no idea how the Taxi thing works? Simple enough question i would think. Why the reluctance to answer? Im sure its magnanimous of you to fill in, if you do, who gets paid, you or the driver? Or both? Let me know when you have worked it out that taxi drivers are not employees who get the day off, so the Owner drives when they could, and the Owner hands over the day's take to them. The sheer, ignorant and the stupidity of your argumentative comments and your target (me) is reminiscent.

Bit touchy arent you? Drivers arent employees who get days off.  Sounds like indentured labour to me. I bet you make them sign a contract. How many 12 hour days/nights  a week are they required to work?

Quote:

Bit touchy arent you? Drivers arent employees who get days off.  Sounds like indentured labour to me. I bet you make them sign a contract. How many 12 hour days/nights  a week are they required to work?

Let me know what you decide.  Are they employees, are they indentured,  are they contracted, how many hours are they 'required' (and by whom) to work.

You seem to know all about it.

You dont seem to deny my previous comments, I can only presume they are correct.

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 8:31pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 8:12pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 8:01pm: Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 7:55pm: Hey aussie, OZ day tomorrow, OZ is not "dominantly islam" yet much to your regret, off to your local mosque for a few pork snags I take it. Nah, I'll be driving the Cab as I always give 'my' drivers every public holiday, the day off.  I fill their shift. Nasty of me, I know. If Australia becomes dominantly Islam stiff, that was your statement, do you stand by that or do you wish to retract that before Australia day. No.  Why should I?  Have you heard of the latest thing?  Apparently, it's a ripper.   New fandangled Greek thing they say....something called 'democracy.'  Have you heard about it?  Can you help me out with what it means?

Democracy has kept us reasonably safe so far but times are a changing, never before have muslim invasions world wide been such a problem, Trump is the start of the solution, I trust democracy its all we have, left wing types are getting their just deserves.

I wonder if Aussie is also running a deliveroo crew?

Aussie doesn't give a damn, we could all be muslim or dead. I think that is how that religion works, where do I sign up.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 9:30pm:

Aussie doesn't give a damn, we could all be muslim or dead. I think that is how that religion works, where do I sign up.

How is it that you blokes do not get it?  Really?  Think about it, especially on the eve of 'Australia Day.'

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 9:45pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 9:30pm: Aussie doesn't give a damn, we could all be muslim or dead. I think that is how that religion works, where do I sign up. How is it that you blokes do not get it?  Really?  Think about it, especially on the eve of 'Australia Day.'

A re-education and a re-alignment of your allegiances may do wonders for your outlook in future.

many blessings ,

back to ontopic banter ..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4155042/Aboriginal-activist-burns-flag-Australia-Day-protest.html

Should this be allowed? The moment Aboriginal activist sets fire to the national flag then STOMPS on the burning ashes in a Sydney square on the eve of Australia Day


Man sets Australian flag on fire while standing on Aboriginal flag drawing
The incident occurred in the Sydney suburb of Newtown, just a day January 26
This date refers to Australia Day, which some people refer to as 'Invasion Day'
It's understood the man featured is an activist campaigning for Aboriginal rights


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/25/08/3C7C981A00000578-4155042-image-a-4_1485334260846.jpg

This is the moment a man was filmed setting the Australian flag alight while standing on top of a spray painted Aboriginal flag.
The incident occurred in the Sydney suburb of Newtown, just one day before Australia Day on January 26, the anniversary of the arrival in 1788 of the first British fleet.
It's understood the man featured in the footage is an activist campaigning for Aboriginal rights.
He can be seen standing on top of the spray painted Aboriginal flag which featured phrases such as 'decolonise', '229 years' and '#KeepTheFireBurning'.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/25/10/3C7CFEEB00000578-4155042-image-m-20_1485339248137.jpg


Police arrived at the scene but the group behind the protest had dispersed, no arrests were made

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/25/08/3C7C9D9C00000578-4155042-image-a-1_1485334170844.jpg

What Rights?

How about rounding up these protestors ... taking them to Sydney's Mascot airport for a flight to the Northern Territory ... and from there 'bussing' them to a very remote area far from any evidence of civilisation.

And then, under police supervision, have them stripped of their Western clothes and given a Tea Towel each with a length of string ... and then a spear and a nulla nulla each ... and then left for 3 months to live as their ancestors did before 'Whitey' arrived.

And then bring what's left of them back to Sydney.

And then sit them down in a university lecture hall and, using a projector and a laser-pointer, itemise for them all that they enjoy today by way of the conveniences and improvements that are owed to the civilisation that is represented by that flag they burned.

!!!

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 6:32am:

!!!

.. and then transport them all to Aquascoot's Horse Farm for further instruction on why playing the Victimhood Card whilst standing in the middle of the world's best country is a little ungrateful and is the sort of beta-minus behaviour for girly-men who burn flags. 

I've read your comments. From Australia was better off colonised by the British to aren't the happy Indigenous folk doing better and i wonder how you can so spectacularly missed the point.

Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot.

The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote.

Utterly decimated them.

Exploited them.

Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities.

And today. 2017. I read this thread and i think none of you have any respect for the First Australians. No matter how well some of them have done No matter the great accomplishments, despite all odds, some have managed to pull off.

You'r all stuck on the worst case scenario.

And those worst case scenario are overblown. There is more good than there is bad. To their indescribable credit.

I don;t evr hear on this forum people talking about the success stories.

Imagine, going from hunter gatherer to professor in 200 years. To business mogul. To real state developer. To Olympian. To film maker. To politician.

All done and dusted. DESPITE adversity.

The First Australians are a proud and wonderful people. Certainly there are significant problems but those problems don't define the main.

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 3:55am:

many blessings , back to ontopic banter .. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4155042/Aboriginal-activist-burns-flag-Australia-Day-protest.html Should this be allowed? The moment Aboriginal activist sets fire to the national flag then STOMPS on the burning ashes in a Sydney square on the eve of Australia Day Man sets Australian flag on fire while standing on Aboriginal flag drawing The incident occurred in the Sydney suburb of Newtown, just a day January 26 This date refers to Australia Day, which some people refer to as 'Invasion Day' It's understood the man featured is an activist campaigning for Aboriginal rights http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/25/08/3C7C981A00000578-4155042-image-a-4_1485334260846.jpg This is the moment a man was filmed setting the Australian flag alight while standing on top of a spray painted Aboriginal flag. The incident occurred in the Sydney suburb of Newtown, just one day before Australia Day on January 26, the anniversary of the arrival in 1788 of the first British fleet. It's understood the man featured in the footage is an activist campaigning for Aboriginal rights. He can be seen standing on top of the spray painted Aboriginal flag which featured phrases such as 'decolonise', '229 years' and '#KeepTheFireBurning'. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/25/10/3C7CFEEB00000578-4155042-image-m-20_1485339248137.jpg Police arrived at the scene but the group behind the protest had dispersed, no arrests were made http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/25/08/3C7C9D9C00000578-4155042-image-a-1_1485334170844.jpg

I find it sickening to see anyones flag burnt the height of disrespect... I am sure they are all happy to take whatever they can from the supporters of the flag though...

as it is all it does is turn me against any aboriginal protest...I think.. they dont respect me or this country..

why would I respect them..

simple really!

I noticed a few white abos participating in the protest.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

I noticed a few white abos participating in the protest.

So did I.

They shouldn't stay out in the sun too long or they'll get sun-burn and maybe melanomas.

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:04am:

I find it sickening to see anyones flag burnt the height of disrespect... I am sure they are all happy to take whatever they can from the supporters of the flag though... as it is all it does is turn me against any aboriginal protest...I think.. they dont respect me or this country.. why would I respect them.. simple really!

It's only a small bunch of them, codsey - by no means all.

Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot.

The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote.

Utterly decimated them.

Exploited them.

Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities.







ye gods...

AUstralia was founded on convicts/criminals ..

so yes an awful lot of bad people..made a lot of bad mistakes...but even this sounds over the top historically.....

do we ever expect anything to heal...when all people do is claim all the problems were one way... >:( >:(

no one living was there...probably very few could actually write the history as it was being played out..

so a lot is by word of mouth..

even N ed Kelly has become a HERO today... nothing at all to do with  reality..

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:13am:

cods wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 10:04am: I find it sickening to see anyones flag burnt the height of disrespect... I am sure they are all happy to take whatever they can from the supporters of the flag though... as it is all it does is turn me against any aboriginal protest...I think.. they dont respect me or this country.. why would I respect them.. simple really! It's only a small bunch of them, codsey - by no means all.

really??..

to hear mothra report on 200 years ago..

its was all Brits...

so why should I think any different.. >:( >:(

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:15am:

Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot. The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote. Utterly decimated them. Exploited them. Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities. ye gods... AUstralia was founded on convicts/criminals .. so yes an awful lot of bad people..made a lot of bad mistakes...but even this sounds over the top historically..... do we ever expect anything to heal...when all people do is claim all the problems were one way... >:( >:( no one living was there...probably very few could actually write the history as it was being played out.. so a lot is by word of mouth.. even N ed Kelly has become a HERO today... nothing at all to do with  reality..

Do you need a book to tel you how Aboriginal people were treated?


Come on Cods. You can do better than that.

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:26am:

Do you need a book to tel you how Aboriginal people were treated

yes please just to know where you get you knowledge from...it would be a great help thank you

like I said I know some god awful things happened....

in very very difficult times..

but nothing like you claim..

so yes point me to the historian you are reading..

the BRITISH .. your words..

I am surprised there are any aboriginals left to be honest. >:(

you do know european diseases counted for a lot of deaths .. were they also chopped up and sent off to Britain.

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

I've read your comments. From Australia was better off colonised by the British to aren't the happy Indigenous folk doing better and i wonder how you can so spectacularly missed the point. Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot. The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote. Utterly decimated them. Exploited them. Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities. And today. 2017. I read this thread and i think none of you have any respect for the First Australians. No matter how well some of them have done No matter the great accomplishments, despite all odds, some have managed to pull off. You'r all stuck on the worst case scenario. And those worst case scenario are overblown. There is more good than there is bad. To their indescribable credit. I don;t evr hear on this forum people talking about the success stories. Imagine, going from hunter gatherer to professor in 200 years. To business mogul. To real state developer. To Olympian. To film maker. To politician. All done and dusted. DESPITE adversity. The First Australians are a proud and wonderful people. Certainly there are significant problems but those problems don't define the main.

In one load of crap you discredit the British and praise the aborigines. Anybody could tell which side you bread is buttered on. ::)

miam

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:33am:

mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 10:26am: Do you need a book to tel you how Aboriginal people were treated yes please just to know where you get you knowledge from...it would be a great help thank you like I said I know some god awful things happened.... in very very difficult times.. but nothing like you claim.. so yes point me to the historian you are reading.. the BRITISH .. your words.. I am surprised there are any aboriginals left to be honest. >:( you do know european diseases counted for a lot of deaths .. were they also chopped up and sent off to Britain.

Nothing like i claim?

please tel me what i have claimed you disagree with

Yes. Let's start there..

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

I've read your comments. From Australia was better off colonised by the British to aren't the happy Indigenous folk doing better and i wonder how you can so spectacularly missed the point. Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot. The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote. Utterly decimated them. Exploited them. Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities. And today. 2017. I read this thread and i think none of you have any respect for the First Australians. No matter how well some of them have done No matter the great accomplishments, despite all odds, some have managed to pull off. You'r all stuck on the worst case scenario. And those worst case scenario are overblown. There is more good than there is bad. To their indescribable credit. I don;t evr hear on this forum people talking about the success stories. Imagine, going from hunter gatherer to professor in 200 years. To business mogul. To real state developer. To Olympian. To film maker. To politician. All done and dusted. DESPITE adversity. The First Australians are a proud and wonderful people. Certainly there are significant problems but those problems don't define the main.

We gave them Jesus, beer, tobacco, and Centrelink - what more could they want?

8-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:26am:

Come on Cods. You can do better than that.

But sadly, Madam Rapeee, you cannot.

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:58am:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians

Yep.

A lot of reprisal killings for abo mischief, from stealing to killing whites.

Pretty much the same was going on back there in England with highway men and murderers.

An awful lot of whites in the new colony were getting hanged at that time.

link

Abos:

Black Tommy - 31 December 1827 - (sometimes called Jackey-Jackey) Wiradjuri man from Bathurst district, hanged for murder in Sydney.

Moowattin (aka Daniel Mowatty) - 1 November 1816 - Hanged for the rape of a 15-year-old girl at Parramatta. The first indigenous person legally hanged in Australia.[9]

Charley - 4 September 1835 - Gringai man, actual name not recorded. Hanged at Dungog for his involvement in the murder of five white settlers at Rawdon Vale as part of the frontier conflict in the Barrington River district ("The Mackenzie Murders"). In Charley's case, he was named specifically for being responsible for the death of Fred Simmons.[52]

Mickey Mickey - 28 February 1835 - Hanged at Sydney for the rape of Margaret Hanswall at Watagan.


... and a few more.

Didnt read the link, did you Herbie.

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

I've read your comments. From Australia was better off colonised by the British to aren't the happy Indigenous folk doing better and i wonder how you can so spectacularly missed the point. Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot. The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote. Utterly decimated them. Exploited them. Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities. And today. 2017. I read this thread and i think none of you have any respect for the First Australians. No matter how well some of them have done No matter the great accomplishments, despite all odds, some have managed to pull off. You'r all stuck on the worst case scenario. And those worst case scenario are overblown. There is more good than there is bad. To their indescribable credit. I don;t evr hear on this forum people talking about the success stories. Imagine, going from hunter gatherer to professor in 200 years. To business mogul. To real state developer. To Olympian. To film maker. To politician. All done and dusted. DESPITE adversity. The First Australians are a proud and wonderful people. Certainly there are significant problems but those problems don't define the main.

Mothra, humans have been surging across the planet for 200k years.
When one tribe meets another the way it usually goes down is they fight and they fkuc until one group looks like the other group.

It's happened to every group of humans on the earth but Aboriginals were largely isolated and avoided this until just a few hundred years ago but it happening was in inevitable.

Why should Aboriginals be excluded from what all cultures go through?

Gordon wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:27am:

mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 9:59am: I've read your comments. From Australia was better off colonised by the British to aren't the happy Indigenous folk doing better and i wonder how you can so spectacularly missed the point. Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot. The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote. Utterly decimated them. Exploited them. Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities. And today. 2017. I read this thread and i think none of you have any respect for the First Australians. No matter how well some of them have done No matter the great accomplishments, despite all odds, some have managed to pull off. You'r all stuck on the worst case scenario. And those worst case scenario are overblown. There is more good than there is bad. To their indescribable credit. I don;t evr hear on this forum people talking about the success stories. Imagine, going from hunter gatherer to professor in 200 years. To business mogul. To real state developer. To Olympian. To film maker. To politician. All done and dusted. DESPITE adversity. The First Australians are a proud and wonderful people. Certainly there are significant problems but those problems don't define the main. Mothra, humans have been surging across the planet for 200k years. When one tribe meets another the way it usually goes down is they fight and they fkuc until one group looks like the other group. It's happened to every group of humans on the earth but Aboriginals were largely isolated and avoided this until just a few hundred years ago but it happening was in inevitable. Why should Aboriginals be excluded from what all cultures go through?

Because we have evolved.

We need a treaty and we need it yesterday.

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:29am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 11:27am: mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 9:59am: I've read your comments. From Australia was better off colonised by the British to aren't the happy Indigenous folk doing better and i wonder how you can so spectacularly missed the point. Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot. The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote. Utterly decimated them. Exploited them. Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities. And today. 2017. I read this thread and i think none of you have any respect for the First Australians. No matter how well some of them have done No matter the great accomplishments, despite all odds, some have managed to pull off. You'r all stuck on the worst case scenario. And those worst case scenario are overblown. There is more good than there is bad. To their indescribable credit. I don;t evr hear on this forum people talking about the success stories. Imagine, going from hunter gatherer to professor in 200 years. To business mogul. To real state developer. To Olympian. To film maker. To politician. All done and dusted. DESPITE adversity. The First Australians are a proud and wonderful people. Certainly there are significant problems but those problems don't define the main. Mothra, humans have been surging across the planet for 200k years. When one tribe meets another the way it usually goes down is they fight and they fkuc until one group looks like the other group. It's happened to every group of humans on the earth but Aboriginals were largely isolated and avoided this until just a few hundred years ago but it happening was in inevitable. Why should Aboriginals be excluded from what all cultures go through? Because we have evolved. We need a treaty and we need it yesterday.

Will a treaty magically stop 4 years old girls in remote communities getting chlamydia?

Gordon wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:32am:

mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 11:29am: Gordon wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 11:27am: mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 9:59am: I've read your comments. From Australia was better off colonised by the British to aren't the happy Indigenous folk doing better and i wonder how you can so spectacularly missed the point. Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot. The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote. Utterly decimated them. Exploited them. Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities. And today. 2017. I read this thread and i think none of you have any respect for the First Australians. No matter how well some of them have done No matter the great accomplishments, despite all odds, some have managed to pull off. You'r all stuck on the worst case scenario. And those worst case scenario are overblown. There is more good than there is bad. To their indescribable credit. I don;t evr hear on this forum people talking about the success stories. Imagine, going from hunter gatherer to professor in 200 years. To business mogul. To real state developer. To Olympian. To film maker. To politician. All done and dusted. DESPITE adversity. The First Australians are a proud and wonderful people. Certainly there are significant problems but those problems don't define the main. Mothra, humans have been surging across the planet for 200k years. When one tribe meets another the way it usually goes down is they fight and they fkuc until one group looks like the other group. It's happened to every group of humans on the earth but Aboriginals were largely isolated and avoided this until just a few hundred years ago but it happening was in inevitable. Why should Aboriginals be excluded from what all cultures go through? Because we have evolved. We need a treaty and we need it yesterday. Will a treaty magically stop 4 years old girls in remote communities getting chlamydia?

What a stupid question.

Wll it empower the First Australians? Will it go some way to repairing the damage done? Will it bring closure? Will it be a second step ( the apology being th first) to bringing peace to Aboriginal people?

Treaty. Now.

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 11:32am: mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 11:29am: Gordon wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 11:27am: mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 9:59am: I've read your comments. From Australia was better off colonised by the British to aren't the happy Indigenous folk doing better and i wonder how you can so spectacularly missed the point. Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot. The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote. Utterly decimated them. Exploited them. Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities. And today. 2017. I read this thread and i think none of you have any respect for the First Australians. No matter how well some of them have done No matter the great accomplishments, despite all odds, some have managed to pull off. You'r all stuck on the worst case scenario. And those worst case scenario are overblown. There is more good than there is bad. To their indescribable credit. I don;t evr hear on this forum people talking about the success stories. Imagine, going from hunter gatherer to professor in 200 years. To business mogul. To real state developer. To Olympian. To film maker. To politician. All done and dusted. DESPITE adversity. The First Australians are a proud and wonderful people. Certainly there are significant problems but those problems don't define the main. Mothra, humans have been surging across the planet for 200k years. When one tribe meets another the way it usually goes down is they fight and they fkuc until one group looks like the other group. It's happened to every group of humans on the earth but Aboriginals were largely isolated and avoided this until just a few hundred years ago but it happening was in inevitable. Why should Aboriginals be excluded from what all cultures go through? Because we have evolved. We need a treaty and we need it yesterday. Will a treaty magically stop 4 years old girls in remote communities getting chlamydia? What a stupid question. Wll it empower the First Australians? Will it go some way to repairing the damage done? Will it bring closure? Will it be a second step ( the apology being th first) to bringing peace to Aboriginal people? Treaty. Now.

Window dressing. The only thing that will make Aboriginals lives better is the time it will take them to assimilate. 1 or 2 hundred year I reckon.

flip

Gordon wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:43am:

mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 11:39am: Gordon wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 11:32am: mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 11:29am: Gordon wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 11:27am: mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 9:59am: I've read your comments. From Australia was better off colonised by the British to aren't the happy Indigenous folk doing better and i wonder how you can so spectacularly missed the point. Th British colonised this country. They did so brutally. Any suggestion of how other people may have made it worse is moot. It is not worthy of academia. It is moot. The British tore families apart. Disected human beings to send samples home to Mother England. Massacred countless of people. Drove people off their lands. Set them up in reservations where they exploited them. Stole children. Put people in chains. Made people work for nothing. Indentured them but didn't give them the right to vote. Utterly decimated them. Exploited them. Sent their body parts back to England as curiosities. And today. 2017. I read this thread and i think none of you have any respect for the First Australians. No matter how well some of them have done No matter the great accomplishments, despite all odds, some have managed to pull off. You'r all stuck on the worst case scenario. And those worst case scenario are overblown. There is more good than there is bad. To their indescribable credit. I don;t evr hear on this forum people talking about the success stories. Imagine, going from hunter gatherer to professor in 200 years. To business mogul. To real state developer. To Olympian. To film maker. To politician. All done and dusted. DESPITE adversity. The First Australians are a proud and wonderful people. Certainly there are significant problems but those problems don't define the main. Mothra, humans have been surging across the planet for 200k years. When one tribe meets another the way it usually goes down is they fight and they fkuc until one group looks like the other group. It's happened to every group of humans on the earth but Aboriginals were largely isolated and avoided this until just a few hundred years ago but it happening was in inevitable. Why should Aboriginals be excluded from what all cultures go through? Because we have evolved. We need a treaty and we need it yesterday. Will a treaty magically stop 4 years old girls in remote communities getting chlamydia? What a stupid question. Wll it empower the First Australians? Will it go some way to repairing the damage done? Will it bring closure? Will it be a second step ( the apology being th first) to bringing peace to Aboriginal people? Treaty. Now. Window dressing. The only thing that will make Aboriginals lives better is the time it will take them to assimilate. 1 or 2 hundred year I reckon.

Utter bollocks. They are already assimilating nicely. We have Indigenous people throughout the upper echelons of society and every other facet who are calling  out for is a treaty.

When it comes to the grief and loss experienced by those not doing so well, then a treaty would only serve them well. It will not be a cure-all, but it will be a jolly good start.

So, who does the Commonwealth, a democratic institution with solid legal traditions, make a treaty with? A group of self-appointed malcontents slung together for the purpose of signing a treaty? That would be utterly meaningless. There never was such an organisation or tribal leadership, and try to invent one at this late date, makes the Terra Nullius of 1788 seem a reasonable.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:05pm:

So, who does the Commonwealth, a democratic institution with solid legal traditions, make a treaty with? A group of self-appointed malcontents slung together for the purpose of signing a treaty? That would be utterly meaningless. There never was such an organisation or tribal leadership, and try to invent one at this late date, makes the Terra Nullius of 1788 seem a reasonable.

There certainly was tribal leadership. Still is.

A treaty must be held with the Elders of this land.

all lefties should practice what they preach and give away all their possessions to the aborigines.

A treaty must be held with the Elders of this land.


If you think Israelis and Palestinians don't get on,,, they are just amateurs compared to how our indigenous people will fight over who controls what.

(This was related to me by one of my aboriginal mates on the mines )

miketrees wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:22pm:

A treaty must be held with the Elders of this land. If you think Israelis and Palestinians don't get on,,, they are just amateurs compared to how our indigenous people will fight over who controls what. (This was related to me by one of my aboriginal mates on the mines )

no-one wil control anything with a treaty.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

all lefties should practice what they preach and give away all their possessions to the aborigines.

God you're an idiot.

nope. just a man who respects honesty and integrity.

no-one wil control anything with a treaty.


Just out of interest Mothra,,, have you ever met any Aboriginal people.

I mean get out in the real world where things are happening and met some?

miketrees wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:46pm:

no-one wil control anything with a treaty. Just out of interest Mothra,,, have you ever met any Aboriginal people. I mean get out in the real world where things are happening and met some?

She hasn't been to Myanmar but she's met lots of rohingya, but won't say how.

miketrees wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:46pm:

no-one wil control anything with a treaty. Just out of interest Mothra,,, have you ever met any Aboriginal people. I mean get out in the real world where things are happening and met some?

Plenty. I work with some. Have met others on my travels. Call some friends.

Gordon wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:49pm:

miketrees wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 12:46pm: no-one wil control anything with a treaty. Just out of interest Mothra,,, have you ever met any Aboriginal people. I mean get out in the real world where things are happening and met some? She hasn't been to Myanmar but she's met lots of rohingya, but won't say how.

Did i ever say lots of?

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:33am:

mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 10:26am: Do you need a book to tel you how Aboriginal people were treated yes please just to know where you get you knowledge from...it would be a great help thank you like I said I know some god awful things happened.... in very very difficult times.. but nothing like you claim.. so yes point me to the historian you are reading.. the BRITISH .. your words.. I am surprised there are any aboriginals left to be honest. >:( you do know european diseases counted for a lot of deaths .. were they also chopped up and sent off to Britain.

Indigenous culture and history is in all academic/university text books now..it is set in stone..what Mothra says is the absolute truth.

A treaty will only  be an excuse for a land grab by those 90 percent white individuals riding on the gravy train of aboriginal victimhood.

Agnes wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:14pm:

cods wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 10:33am: mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 10:26am: Do you need a book to tel you how Aboriginal people were treated yes please just to know where you get you knowledge from...it would be a great help thank you like I said I know some god awful things happened.... in very very difficult times.. but nothing like you claim.. so yes point me to the historian you are reading.. the BRITISH .. your words.. I am surprised there are any aboriginals left to be honest. >:( you do know european diseases counted for a lot of deaths .. were they also chopped up and sent off to Britain. Indigenous culture and history is in all academic/university text books now..it is set in stone..what Mothra says is the absolute truth.

Just shows how little you people know about the subject.

rhino wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:20pm:

A treaty will only  be an excuse for a land grab by those 90 percent white individuals riding on the gravy train of aboriginal victimhood.

Bulshit.

:)

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:26pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 1:20pm: A treaty will only  be an excuse for a land grab by those 90 percent white individuals riding on the gravy train of aboriginal victimhood. Bulshit.

No. Trueshit.

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 12:05pm: So, who does the Commonwealth, a democratic institution with solid legal traditions, make a treaty with? A group of self-appointed malcontents slung together for the purpose of signing a treaty? That would be utterly meaningless. There never was such an organisation or tribal leadership, and try to invent one at this late date, makes the Terra Nullius of 1788 seem a reasonable. There certainly was tribal leadership. Still is. A treaty must be held with the Elders of this land.

Tribes? What a lot of rubbish. When Lt Phillip circumnativagated, three times, his Sydney natives could not communicate with the CLANS they come in contact with, in other parts of Australia. 

Any so called treaty will be with a bunch of people got together for no other purpose. They will have no authority whatsoever in indigenous communities, and the only signatory to be held accountable will be the Commonwealth. The only result will be Bantu mentality, and a further sense of social division.

There was no "nation" to invade.  A disparate group of tribes living in enmity with each other.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:34pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 12:09pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 12:05pm: So, who does the Commonwealth, a democratic institution with solid legal traditions, make a treaty with? A group of self-appointed malcontents slung together for the purpose of signing a treaty? That would be utterly meaningless. There never was such an organisation or tribal leadership, and try to invent one at this late date, makes the Terra Nullius of 1788 seem a reasonable. There certainly was tribal leadership. Still is. A treaty must be held with the Elders of this land. Tribes? What a lot of rubbish. When Lt Phillip circumnativagated, three times, his Sydney natives could not communicate with the CLANS they come in contact with, in other parts of Australia.  Any so called treaty will be with a bunch of people got together for no other purpose. They will have no authority whatsoever in indigenous communities, and the only signatory to be held accountable will be the Commonwealth. The only result will be Bantu mentality, and a further sense of social division.

Why do you think thos people Lt Phillip had in custody couldn't speak with any other nations they encountered?


Divrse and interesting tapestry.

And here we are, calling them a the same names.

Treaty. Now.

rhino wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:38pm:

There was no "nation" to invade.  A disparate group of tribes living in enmity with each other.

There were many nations.

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:41pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 1:34pm: mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 12:09pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 12:05pm: So, who does the Commonwealth, a democratic institution with solid legal traditions, make a treaty with? A group of self-appointed malcontents slung together for the purpose of signing a treaty? That would be utterly meaningless. There never was such an organisation or tribal leadership, and try to invent one at this late date, makes the Terra Nullius of 1788 seem a reasonable. There certainly was tribal leadership. Still is. A treaty must be held with the Elders of this land. Tribes? What a lot of rubbish. When Lt Phillip circumnativagated, three times, his Sydney natives could not communicate with the CLANS they come in contact with, in other parts of Australia.  Any so called treaty will be with a bunch of people got together for no other purpose. They will have no authority whatsoever in indigenous communities, and the only signatory to be held accountable will be the Commonwealth. The only result will be Bantu mentality, and a further sense of social division. Why do you think thos people Lt Phillip had in custody couldn't speak with any other nations they encountered? Divrse and interesting tapestry. And here we are, calling them a the same names. Treaty. Now.

He did not have anyone in custody. You are just revealing your ignorance of history, and your propensity for left leaning  conspiracy theories.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:45pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 1:41pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 1:34pm: mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 12:09pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 12:05pm: So, who does the Commonwealth, a democratic institution with solid legal traditions, make a treaty with? A group of self-appointed malcontents slung together for the purpose of signing a treaty? That would be utterly meaningless. There never was such an organisation or tribal leadership, and try to invent one at this late date, makes the Terra Nullius of 1788 seem a reasonable. There certainly was tribal leadership. Still is. A treaty must be held with the Elders of this land. Tribes? What a lot of rubbish. When Lt Phillip circumnativagated, three times, his Sydney natives could not communicate with the CLANS they come in contact with, in other parts of Australia.  Any so called treaty will be with a bunch of people got together for no other purpose. They will have no authority whatsoever in indigenous communities, and the only signatory to be held accountable will be the Commonwealth. The only result will be Bantu mentality, and a further sense of social division. Why do you think thos people Lt Phillip had in custody couldn't speak with any other nations they encountered? Divrse and interesting tapestry. And here we are, calling them a the same names. Treaty. Now. He did not have anyone in custody. You are just revealing your ignorance of history, and your propensity for left leaning  conspiracy theories.

You mean non captives, like Bennelong?

Oh, how much you don't understand.

How is it going to help Australia having the aborigines having our land in their hands?

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:48pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 1:45pm: mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 1:41pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 1:34pm: mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 12:09pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 12:05pm: So, who does the Commonwealth, a democratic institution with solid legal traditions, make a treaty with? A group of self-appointed malcontents slung together for the purpose of signing a treaty? That would be utterly meaningless. There never was such an organisation or tribal leadership, and try to invent one at this late date, makes the Terra Nullius of 1788 seem a reasonable. There certainly was tribal leadership. Still is. A treaty must be held with the Elders of this land. Tribes? What a lot of rubbish. When Lt Phillip circumnativagated, three times, his Sydney natives could not communicate with the CLANS they come in contact with, in other parts of Australia.  Any so called treaty will be with a bunch of people got together for no other purpose. They will have no authority whatsoever in indigenous communities, and the only signatory to be held accountable will be the Commonwealth. The only result will be Bantu mentality, and a further sense of social division. Why do you think thos people Lt Phillip had in custody couldn't speak with any other nations they encountered? Divrse and interesting tapestry. And here we are, calling them a the same names. Treaty. Now. He did not have anyone in custody. You are just revealing your ignorance of history, and your propensity for left leaning  conspiracy theories. You mean non captives, like Bennelong? Oh, how much you don't understand.

OK. Lets cut the chase. You have stated that Lt Phillip King's native interpreters in his three voyages, where in custody.

I will give you the opportunity to withdraw that statement due to my Typo. (Phillip King).

If you do not withdraw that statement, you must now cite your historical references the support your statement. This is not just to make the point that you don't know anything about the tribes PK came in contact with, but that you tried to infer that the interpreters were there for some ulterior motive.

Unless you can cite these documents, you are a liar, and do indigenous history no service.

Don't blather, just cite the documents.

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 11:24am:

Didnt read the link, did you Herbie.

Did you read mine?

Total-up the whites being hanged back then and it was more than the abos being hanged for duffing and murder.

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:41pm:

Treaty. Now.

;D

Treaty? NO!

If they go back into the bush and live as their ancestors did, then we'll think about it. But while they're enjoying living off the products of Western civilisation and endeavour, they are being amply rewarded from us, their hosts.

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:42pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 1:38pm: There was no "nation" to invade.  A disparate group of tribes living in enmity with each other. There were many nations.

They had no concept of nations.

mothra wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 10:39am:

cods wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 10:33am: mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 10:26am: Do you need a book to tel you how Aboriginal people were treated yes please just to know where you get you knowledge from...it would be a great help thank you like I said I know some god awful things happened.... in very very difficult times.. but nothing like you claim.. so yes point me to the historian you are reading.. the BRITISH .. your words.. I am surprised there are any aboriginals left to be honest. >:( you do know european diseases counted for a lot of deaths .. were they also chopped up and sent off to Britain. Nothing like i claim? please tel me what i have claimed you disagree with Yes. Let's start there..

you didnt mention how many whites were slain by aborigines.....you claim basically it is all the whites did.. killkillkill..

your pretty disgusting all up.. as their would be no aborigines left.......the tribes were fighting amongst themselves its what they did..

human bones taken back were done so for science....it is what they did in those years.. you make it out to be something barbaric.
like taking back a live human and chopping him up as they went....

no one disputes what happened... through fear and greed and ignorance..

if you drag that through your life...forever and a day I feel sorry for you.......because I am sure any person who has dared say a bad word to you probably gets reminded every time they upset you..

I cant stand people like that.

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 10:39am: cods wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 10:33am: mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 10:26am: Do you need a book to tel you how Aboriginal people were treated yes please just to know where you get you knowledge from...it would be a great help thank you like I said I know some god awful things happened.... in very very difficult times.. but nothing like you claim.. so yes point me to the historian you are reading.. the BRITISH .. your words.. I am surprised there are any aboriginals left to be honest. >:( you do know european diseases counted for a lot of deaths .. were they also chopped up and sent off to Britain. Nothing like i claim? please tel me what i have claimed you disagree with Yes. Let's start there.. you didnt mention how many whites were slain by aborigines.....you claim basically it is all the whites did.. killkillkill.. your pretty disgusting all up.. as their would be no aborigines left.......the tribes were fighting amongst themselves its what they did.. human bones taken back were done so for science....it is what they did in those years.. you make it out to be something barbaric. like taking back a live human and chopping him up as they went.... no one disputes what happened... through fear and greed and ignorance.. if you drag that through your life...forever and a day I feel sorry for you.......because I am sure any person who has dared say a bad word to you probably gets reminded every time they upset you.. I cant stand people like that.

Mothra is providing her opinion and she is entitled to do that cods..and the history books will back her up..maybe history books were produced by stupid lefties

Agnes wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:14pm:

cods wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 10:33am: mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 10:26am: Do you need a book to tel you how Aboriginal people were treated yes please just to know where you get you knowledge from...it would be a great help thank you like I said I know some god awful things happened.... in very very difficult times.. but nothing like you claim.. so yes point me to the historian you are reading.. the BRITISH .. your words.. I am surprised there are any aboriginals left to be honest. >:( you do know european diseases counted for a lot of deaths .. were they also chopped up and sent off to Britain. Indigenous culture and history is in all academic/university text books now..it is set in stone..what Mothra says is the absolute truth.

you would know agnes


you are good at reinventing history to suit yourself...

there was a lot of bad stuff do you know of any historian who has denied they made a bad start??????

shall we say like those who deny the Holocaust ?

if whitey denied any of it went on.. I can understand the grief I really can..

but to my knowledge no one does...

what the hell do you lefties want DONE ABOUT IT..

as boges has asked..

are you giving up your land to them???... what are you and mothra doing to make all this history go AWAY??..

believe me....I will be right behind you if you can do that...

but stretching it and making it look like an invasion really is pretty low.

and guess what..

wont change a bloody thing.

Agnes wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 2:56pm:

cods wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 2:53pm: mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 10:39am: cods wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 10:33am: mothra wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 10:26am: Do you need a book to tel you how Aboriginal people were treated yes please just to know where you get you knowledge from...it would be a great help thank you like I said I know some god awful things happened.... in very very difficult times.. but nothing like you claim.. so yes point me to the historian you are reading.. the BRITISH .. your words.. I am surprised there are any aboriginals left to be honest. >:( you do know european diseases counted for a lot of deaths .. were they also chopped up and sent off to Britain. Nothing like i claim? please tel me what i have claimed you disagree with Yes. Let's start there.. you didnt mention how many whites were slain by aborigines.....you claim basically it is all the whites did.. killkillkill.. your pretty disgusting all up.. as their would be no aborigines left.......the tribes were fighting amongst themselves its what they did.. human bones taken back were done so for science....it is what they did in those years.. you make it out to be something barbaric. like taking back a live human and chopping him up as they went.... no one disputes what happened... through fear and greed and ignorance.. if you drag that through your life...forever and a day I feel sorry for you.......because I am sure any person who has dared say a bad word to you probably gets reminded every time they upset you.. I cant stand people like that. Mothra is providing her opinion and she is entitled to do that cods..and the history books will back her up..maybe history books were produced by stupid lefties

what history book is that agnes

wikipedia?.

oh of course lefty opinion.. I keep forgetting...

how dare anyone challenge it.

You have terrible chip on your shoulder cods..you divide pp up into left and right.

Wikipedia you say..lol..no dear..University text books !