Good to see reasonable words coming out of Trump's mouth. The GOP will hate him for this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-vows-insurance-for-everybody-in-obamacare-replacement-plan/2017/01/15/5f2b1e18-db5d-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html?postshare=5611484545180626&tid=ss_fb-bottom&utm_term=.f19383ab4503


Quote:

President-elect Donald Trump said in a weekend interview that he is nearing completion of a plan to replace President Obama’s signature health-care law with the goal of “insurance for everybody,” while also vowing to force drug companies to negotiate directly with the government on prices in Medicare and Medicaid.

I will give credit to Trump:  he sees the hell that is awaiting Republican Congress members and is giving himself a way out.

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/16/prognosis-negative-members-of-congress-are-feeling-the-heat-from-constituents-who-want-to-keep-their-health-care/

Oh my, that is funny.

The ACA part duex

Marla wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 3:28am:

Oh my, that is funny. The ACA part duex

Trump is saying all the right things but the political reality of the GOP will bite him.

I am for giving the guy a go...not because hes a republican but because he hasnt been there before....and is therefore not under the control of people well entrenched in the wheeling and dealing of govt...

if and when the wheels start falling off..then he will deserve all he gets....he has a big mouth lets see what he can do with it..

the American Health system  needs fixing  I agree with what he has said about the money spent on looking after other countries...trying to keep them safe..when the money needs to be spent at home...

does looking out for all those Middle Eastern countries.. WORK???... no it doesnt.....

can anyone name one Middle Eastern country that is safe??


what about a safe haven for refugees???... ::) ::)

yet the yanks have spent zillions over the years...

Actually, if he follows through on illegal aliens and illegal foreign worker employment enforcement, there are a lot of costs that could be contained, making healthcare more affordable for citizens and legal immigrants.
Congress expanded Medicaid to include illegal immigrants, children (through CHIP, Children’s Medicaid), and pregnant women.

Because of the U.S. Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1986 (42 U.S.C.), most hospitals may not refuse anyone treatment for an emergency medical condition because of citizenship (illegal aliens), legal status, or ability to pay. An example of the cost conflict between federal government, state and local government, and private institutions, is that the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) brings injured and ill illegal aliens to hospital emergency rooms, but does not pay for their medical care. Almost $190 million, or about 25 percent, of the uncompensated costs Southwest border county hospitals incurred, resulted from emergency medical treatment provided to illegal immigrants.
Medicaid paid $2.2 billion last year to partially reimburse hospitals for unpaid illegal alien delivery bills.
http://khn.org/news/medicaid-illegal-immigrant-emergency-care/
"Parkland Hospital in Dallas Tx is home to the second busiest maternity ward in the country with almost 16,000 new babies arriving each year. (That's almost 44 per day — every day)

A recent patient survey indicated that 70 percent of the women who gave birth at Parkland in the first three months of 2006 were illegal immigrants.' Crikey, that's 11,200 anchor babies born every year just in Dallas. According to the article, the hospital spent $70.7 million delivering 15,938 babies in 2004 but managed to end up with almost $8 million dollars in surplus funding. Medicaid kicked in $34.5 million, Dallas County taxpayers kicked in $31.3 million and the feds tossed in another $9.5 million.

The average patient in Parkland's maternity wards is 25 years old, married and giving birth to her second child. She is also an illegal immigrant. By law, pregnant women cannot be denied medical care based on their immigration status or ability to pay. OK, fine. That doesn't mean they should receive better care than everyday, middle-class American citizens. But at Parkland Hospital, they do.

Parkland Memorial Hospital has nine prenatal clinics. NINE. The Dallas Morning News article followed a Hispanic woman who was a patient at one of the clinics and pregnant with her third child — her previous two were also born at Parkland. Her first two deliveries were free and the Mexican native was grateful because it would have cost $200 to have them in Mexico."
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/parkland.asp

The program known as "Obamacare" isn't working, but there's no reason to think we can't have good, affordable healthcare and insurance for Americans.

AuntieM wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 9:26am:

The program known as "Obamacare" isn't working, but there's no reason to think we can't have good, affordable healthcare and insurance for Americans.

I am assuming you live in America?

Yes I do now.

AuntieM wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 9:35am:

Yes I do now.

Me too. Getting illegals out of the health care system would certainly help things, how could it not? But you have to understand that "Obamacare" is a *conservative* Band-Aid that dates back to about 1989 and was created as an alternative to a complete overhaul of the American healthcare system. Romneycare (the achievement Mitt was most proud of but couldn't talk about) shares the same genesis as Obamacare. This  Band-Aid, whatever name you want to call it, sits on top of a dysfunctional system, and there is no Republican (and very little Democratic) political will to overhaul this system, none at all, and never has been, so the percentage of the GDP that is eaten up by healthcare costs goes up and up and up? When will it reach 20%? Won't be long now. When will parts of the American healthcare system break down completely? Now that Obamacare is leaving that day will come that much sooner, and I suspect that that is what it will take for the political will for an overhaul to be found. But emptying the country of all illegals and thinking that it will solve all problems with health care in America is just more magical thinking.

AiA wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 11:18am:

Getting illegals out of the health care system would certainly help things, how could it not?

Pray tell how one would go about that? Even Obama in his mass deportations could not rid America of all illegals (and yes, you Euro-trash limeys, I'm talking to you, too).

Even been to Mexico? Ever seen their health care system?  You'd be crossing the border too.

There is no solution. No wall is going to fix matters. The only thing America can do is flat out turn away illegals in Emergency Rooms and I do see that day coming.

AiA wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 9:31am:

I am assuming you live in America?

By the way, it's his country.

Marla wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 11:22am:

AiA wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 11:18am: Getting illegals out of the health care system would certainly help things, how could it not?  Pray tell how one would go about that?

You can't get them all out. You can't even get most of them out. But there could be measures put in place to cut back on access to the health care system by them. I agree with AuntieM - the illegals do suck resources away from American citizens. But to think that if we just got rid of the illegals all would be well with American health care is just stupid.

"Trump warned Republicans that if the party splinters or slows his agenda, he is ready to use the power of the presidency — and Twitter — to usher his legislation to passage."

    ;D

This is government at its stupidest and most conniving. First the Republicans say they don't want Health Care legislation, but it becomes law. Then they make out its too expensive, and they say "We told you so."

Then they turn around and say they'll have Health Care legislation, only they have to throw out the legislation first. So they are going to waste time and money reinventing the wheel, when they could simply fix it, if it really needs fixing. But of course, then it wouldn't be Republican. These bastards don't want to save money, they want to spend it on their projects.

They were supposed to get rid of health care, that was their election ideology. It would be reasonable for their voters to say hold on, we voted against health care, not just democratic health care.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 11:35am:

"Trump warned Republicans that if the party splinters or slows his agenda, he is ready to use the power of the presidency — and Twitter — to usher his legislation to passage."     ;D

Well that will be fun to watch. REpublicans hate him and only tolerate him because he won. I'm just waiting for his massive tax cuts which will cost the USA 2-3 TRILLION dollars a year. Or more. Trump has extensive experience in bankruptcy so beware. It is one of his few skills.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 11:35am:

"Trump warned Republicans that if the party splinters or slows his agenda, he is ready to use the power of the presidency — and Twitter — to usher his legislation to passage."     ;D

This may be Trump's saving grace and save America to boot:  he is a real estate salesperson, and what do good salespeople do? They deliver.

AiA wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 11:35am: "Trump warned Republicans that if the party splinters or slows his agenda, he is ready to use the power of the presidency — and Twitter — to usher his legislation to passage."     ;D This may be Trump's saving grace and save America to boot:  he is a real estate salesperson, and what do good salespeople do? They deliver.

No they dont.  they sell OTHER PEOPLES STUFF usually at cut-price for their own benefit - not the consumer. A salesman is the absoultely LAST person you want heading your country.

AiA wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 11:35am: "Trump warned Republicans that if the party splinters or slows his agenda, he is ready to use the power of the presidency — and Twitter — to usher his legislation to passage."     ;D This may be Trump's saving grace and save America to boot:  he is a real estate salesperson, and what do good salespeople do?

Lie through their teeth.

I am not so sure: Trump may do what a good salesperson would do: listen to the customer and give him what he wants. That is as likely as anything else at this point. That sounds like what he is doing with healthcare if everybody gets insurance ...

AiA wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:45pm:

I am not so sure: Trump may do what a good salesperson would do: listen to the customer and give him what he wants.

Lie to the customer and give him what he thinks he wants.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:41pm:

AiA wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 11:35am: "Trump warned Republicans that if the party splinters or slows his agenda, he is ready to use the power of the presidency — and Twitter — to usher his legislation to passage."     ;D This may be Trump's saving grace and save America to boot:  he is a real estate salesperson, and what do good salespeople do? Lie through their teeth.

Are you in sales?

It seems to me that it would be your choice of career as it suits your low morals and propensity for lying.

AiA wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:45pm:

Trump may do what a good salesperson would do: listen to the customer and give him what he wants

rubbish


a good salesperson has the ability to convince you that what you want is his product, even if it doesn't meet any of your requirements

AiA wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:45pm:

I am not so sure: Trump may do what a good salesperson would do: listen to the customer and give him what he wants. That is as likely as anything else at this point. That sounds like what he is doing with healthcare if everybody gets insurance ...

Well; you were easy to turn around. Just tell you what you want to hear and bingo! you're a trump supporter!  That 'promise' already exists. He is literally promising to give you what you already have and you are thanking him for it? But remember, the first step is to take it all away and then, some time in the future... to fulfil the promise. Or not.

This is how trump got into power. He has harnessed Americas most potent power - gullibility.

It's obvious the ACA, as it exists now, is a failed experiment.
Adler and Ginsburg argue that the ACA both improved coverage and lowered costs. If true, the exchanges would undoubtedly be more successful than they are. Thus far, the result is significantly worse than expected, with far fewer enrollees—particularly younger and healthier enrollees—than projected, and substantial market instability. Another Brookings Institution scholar, Stuart Butler, recognizes the problem, writing just two weeks ago that “the ACA might be more appropriately labeled the ‘Medicaid Expansion Act’” because “enrollment in the ACA exchanges has been disappointing, with an estimated 10 million fewer people enrolled compared with earlier expectations.”

The new Brookings study does not mention the numerous studies, including the rigorous 2014 Brookings study, that come to opposite conclusions, does not use actual pre-ACA individual market data, does not consider the huge increase in the cost of medical claims in the individual market after 2013, and makes a number of questionable methodological choices. The authors arrive at a different conclusion than most scholars who have examined the effect of the ACA on health insurance premiums. Most scholars and analysts conclude that, particularly when fully accounting for the various government subsidies for individual insurance coverage, the ACA significantly increased individual market premiums.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/07/28/overwhelming-evidence-that-obamacare-caused-premiums-to-increase-substantially/2/#2e036c4e6c12

Back to my point, the GOP is dropping a nuclear bomb on the American healthcare system and Trump is covering his ass.

Amazingly, Americans who voted for Trump and who gained health insurance didn't realize that ACA and Obamacare are the same thing - people actually thought their insurance was safe because it was ACA ...

My health insurance cost has more than doubled since 2014, with no illnesses or injuries in my household.
Obamacare and ACA are two names for the same act, as much as the Administrative branch has tried to back off from their role in it.
'Obamacare' vs. 'Affordable Care Act': Does the name matter?
The Obama administration appears to again prefer 'Affordable Care Act,' whereas previously, the president had embraced the label 'Obamacare.'
Does it matter what President Obama calls his health-care reform law? That question arises because he’s seemed to shift his references in recent days. Previously, he’d embraced the label “Obamacare,” saying it reflected the fact that he did indeed care about uninsured Americans. But as Politico notes, that term now seems to have fallen into White House disfavor.

Instead, the administration appears to again prefer “Affordable Care Act” (ACA), which reflects the law’s full name, “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.” That’s how Mr. Obama has been referring to it in public. Democratic Party talking points now emphasize the “Affordable Care Act” phrase.

“Calling it the Affordable Care Act has advantages for Democrats seeking to defend health care reform while still criticizing the bungled White House rollout,” Politico’s Reid J. Epstein wrote last week.

Think this is just a minor tweak, or maybe the media are reading too much into the president’s rhetoric? We’d say that’s highly unlikely. Administrations poll voters on the use of one word or another all the time. Indeed, that’s a technique used throughout US politics.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Decoder/2013/1129/Obamacare-vs.-Affordable-Care-Act-Does-the-name-matter

AiA wrote on Jan 18^th, 2017 at 8:12am:

Back to my point, the GOP is dropping a nuclear bomb on the American healthcare system and Trump is covering his ass. Amazingly, Americans who voted for Trump and who gained health insurance didn't realize that ACA and Obamacare are the same thing - people actually thought their insurance was safe because it was ACA ...

Staggering really. But hey... voting for Trump was an act of ignorant stupidity in the first place so not realising they are the same thing is kind of ironic.

Insurance for everybody goes against what the current crop of Republicans want. To blame the expensive and inefficient American healthcare system on a band-aid called "Obamacare" is to say you understand nothing at all ...

Just another Rethuglicon lie. Every one of their proposals for replacing the ACA put forward so far, including Trump’s, call for drastic cuts to Americans’ health care coverage including attacks on benefits through Medicaid.

Insurance for the rich, maybe, not everybody.

https://youtu.be/W-2unCXNXNI

John Smith wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 2:37pm:

AiA wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:45pm: Trump may do what a good salesperson would do: listen to the customer and give him what he wants rubbish a good salesperson has the ability to convince you that what you want is his product, even if it doesn't meet any of your requirements

Actually a good salesperson has to be very "dialed in" during his interactions with the consumer.(health care consumer or otherwise).

This is Trumps great asset which few politicians have.
Most politicians , especially in australia , live in a strange vortex where they arent constantly rubbing up against 'the marketplace" or as i like to call it "reality".

From Rudd to Gillard to Abbott to Turnbull...they are surrounded by a circle of "influence' which insulates them from this very reality.

a salesperson is confronted by the marketplace and reality every moment of every day.
the market place is a brutal and harsh mistress.  any rough edges, any miscalibrations, any flaws in your emotional mastery and core confidence will be brutally and unmercifully exposed and you will have to learn and internalise these lessons, again and again and again until you get it right.

the marketplace will purify the many weaknesses and defects in someones character.

the , literally, millions of reference experiences which a man like Trump has been through to get to where he has gotten...wow....just wow.
this is what makes a man qualified and makes an intellectual who is "stuck in his head" and "raw to the game"   a no show.

i suppose one could liken trump to a sergent who has been down in the trenches fighting and grinding it out for his whole life...battle hardened and wise.

one could liken clinton or obama to a general who has been back at a chalet , 20 miles behind the front lines , sipping brandy and pontificating.

Tough times are coming and i know who i would rather have beside ME in the trenches

*sigh*

https://psychopathresistance.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/wordsalad.png

youre just someone who" reacts" Marla.
probably just bored like a lot of other posters.

trump, to me, is the best chance america has.

he is a winner
he is patriotic
he is smart

thats good enough for me.

i see why millions of 'real ' americans voted for him.
they love their country and they love their kids.

if you are a bitter and angry and emotional young lady who can only experience those sort of bratty emotional states, then i can understand why you cant vibe with trump.  you need to see a bigger vision for your life then to waste it experiencing painful emotions just for the sake of maintaining your limiting beliefs and your success barriers.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 8:34am:

youre just someone who" reacts" Marla. probably just bored like a lot of other posters. trump, to me, is the best chance america has. he is a winner he is patriotic he is smart thats good enough for me. i see why millions of 'real ' americans voted for him. they love their country and they love their kids. if you are a bitter and angry and emotional young lady who can only experience those sort of bratty emotional states, then i can understand why you cant vibe with trump.  you need to see a bigger vision for your life then to waste it experiencing painful emotions just for the sake of maintaining your limiting beliefs and your success barriers.

people thought you were an idiot before trump. They still do and even more.

BTW just a couple facts for you. Trumps 'approval rating' is the lowest ever for an incoming president. including from his former supporters.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 8:34am:

i see why millions of 'real ' americans voted for him.

Yeah, like Putin.

Marla wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 8:49am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 8:34am: i see why millions of 'real ' americans voted for him. Yeah, like Putin.

He voted millions of times using his puppets the Trump Supporters.

Report: Ukraine 'Interfered' In US Election... to Help Hillary
But Trump, Russia .
...
Politico just published the findings of an extensive investigation into Ukrainian interference in the U.S. presidential election, reporting that the former Soviet Bloc member tried doggedly to sabotage President-elect Donald Trump and usher Clinton into the White House....
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/report-ukraine-interfered-us-election-help-hillary

Quote:

He voted millions of times using his puppets the Trump Supporters.

You have this amazing ability to come off as arrogant and mind-numbingly ignorant, all at once.

US public will need the insurance for psychiatric care after four years of Trump.

Marla wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 11:23am:

AiA wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:31am: I am assuming you live in America? By the way, it's his country.

Thank dog that Trump doesn't own it.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 8:34am:

i see why millions of 'real ' americans voted for him.

Can you see why millions more 'real' Americans voted for Clinton?