Would any Australian like to be able to walk into a "drug store" aka the US.. and just buy a gun/hand gun...sometimes I would welcome this freedom.. but most of the time not.

Agnes wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Would any Australian like to be able to walk into a "drug store" aka the US.. and just buy a gun/hand gun...sometimes I would welcome this freedom.. but most of the time not.

Sure. Did it heaps of times before JH stole our rights.

Never shot anything i didnt want to shoot. Never aimed at anything i wasnt gonna shoot.

No because Negroes & gangsters would buy them & shoot people every day
just like in the USA.

Rider wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 6:42pm:

Agnes wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 6:36pm: Would any Australian like to be able to walk into a "drug store" aka the US.. and just buy a gun/hand gun...sometimes I would welcome this freedom.. but most of the time not. Sure. Did it heaps of times before JH stole our rights. Never shot anything i didnt want to shoot. Never aimed at anything i wasnt gonna shoot.

  Me too... but we had hardly any gun crime prior to Martin Bryant..knee jerk reaction I think

No guns for sale in 'drug stores' in the US Abscess, now gun stores or sports stores is another matter.   

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 6:42pm:

No because Negroes & gangsters would buy them & shoot people every day just like in the USA.

  That never happened prior to the gun ban Bobby.?

Agnes wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Would any Australian like to be able to walk into a "drug store" aka the US.. and just buy a gun/hand gun...sometimes I would welcome this freedom.. but most of the time not.

Quite right Agnes.

Recent shootings of unarmed citizens in the US, prove that ALL POLICE OFFICERS SHOULD BE DISARMED!!!

'Black lives matter!!!!!'

.....while the lives of whites, and yellow peoples, and all others, are 2nd class, and matter a whole lot less.

/sarc off


'Black lives matter!!!!!'





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Why do police officers need those firearms!


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Texas police 'shoot man with hands up'

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That is an example of why police should NOT be issued with firearms.

ALL firearms are just too dangerous.




And don't get me started on paring knives!!!!!      [< -------- concealable weapon!   HOW COME THE GOVERNMENT ALLOW SUPERMARKETS TO SELL PARING KNIVES AND BOXCUTTERS!!!!!!!       ITS INSANE!!!!!]



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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1448737635/71#71

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If firearms are so dangerous [AND THEY ARE!], then,     ....why are so many firearms seen on the hips of so many people who are walking on our streets ? My argument is, that because firearms are very dangerous, all of these people, are a danger to themselves, and to other citizens. And for the sake of public safety, these firearms should be removed from our community.

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These people must be disarmed!!! Firearms are just too dangerous, to be so readily accessible to potential criminals [which each one of these people are!].



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These people must be disarmed!!! Firearms are just too dangerous, to be so readily accessible to potential criminals [which each one of these people are!].





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Going by the criminal charges that have frequently been brought against many people who wear these uniforms, it is reasonable to conclude that many of these persons [who wear these uniforms] are,     .....potential rapists, child molesters, and wana-be-drug barons.

Should our government be really be allowing people like these [potential criminals], to have access to very dangerous firearms, willy-nilly ?

Agnes wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Would any Australian like to be able to walk into a "drug store" aka the US.. and just buy a gun/hand gun...sometimes I would welcome this freedom.. but most of the time not.

you cant be serious!!! that is the most dumbest thing I have ever seen anyone admit....what are you thinking agnes???....would you be happy to see your son walking out of a  chemist shop carrying a gun..

knowing full well any other 18 yr old can do the same... :o :o :o

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

Agnes wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 6:36pm: Would any Australian like to be able to walk into a "drug store" aka the US.. and just buy a gun/hand gun...sometimes I would welcome this freedom.. but most of the time not. you cant be serious!!! that is the most dumbest thing I have ever seen anyone admit....what are you thinking agnes???....would you be happy to see your son walking out of a  chemist shop carrying a gun.. knowing full well any other 18 yr old can do the same... :o :o :o

It has never been that way in Australia cods, even before the ban on guns..nuff said, in Australia there were pretty strict conditions before you could buy a gun..not in the US though. No I did not explain my reasons and now I won't for the most part.. I have used guns..and also like target practice at Gun Clubs.. a lot of women do. I would like to own a cross bow as well...so I could join a club...you will get a very bad knee jumping to all those conclusions.  ;)
  Of course I would not like it so teens could go buy a gun and walk out the door... wasn't really a serious proposition..more a right we will never have and I miss being able to pursue that particular sport.. my rifles are gone now. my license expired and the thought Of having to jump through hoops to get it back annoys the heck out of me.

Agnes wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 6:50pm:

Rider wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 6:42pm: Agnes wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 6:36pm: Would any Australian like to be able to walk into a "drug store" aka the US.. and just buy a gun/hand gun...sometimes I would welcome this freedom.. but most of the time not. Sure. Did it heaps of times before JH stole our rights. Never shot anything i didnt want to shoot. Never aimed at anything i wasnt gonna shoot.   Me too... but we had hardly any gun crime prior to Martin Bryant..knee jerk reaction I think

Exactly, criminals have guns today as they did in the past. Our new restrictions are nothing more than hot air and a deliberate disarming of society.

Took my kids shooting over the holidays...taught them to respect and be safe with firearms. No issue. Total over reach by JH, sucking up to the limp wristed muppets who never voted for him and never would.

Agnes wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Would any Australian like to be able to walk into a "drug store" aka the US.. and just buy a gun/hand gun...sometimes I would welcome this freedom.. but most of the time not.

After one bad experience with a thug who tried to 'home invade' me - I would like to have a gun at home for my protection, but also just for the opportunity to execute bastards like this regardless of my own safety.

You can be sure he was already 'well known to the police and the court system' for a string of past offences of a violent nature, and yet here he was running around as free as a bird to terrorise people in their own homes.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

Agnes wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 6:36pm: Would any Australian like to be able to walk into a "drug store" aka the US.. and just buy a gun/hand gun...sometimes I would welcome this freedom.. but most of the time not. After one bad experience with a thug who tried to 'home invade' me - I would like to have a gun at home for my protection, but also just for the opportunity to execute bastards like this regardless of my own safety. You can be sure he was already 'well known to the police and the court system' for a string of past offences of a violent nature, and yet here he was running around as free as a bird to terrorise people in their own homes.

  There was a time I was  at home with just my kids Lord Herbert..when I would loved to have a hand gun at home ( stored safely of course). One evening a well known stalker from around my area tried to open my door late at night when I was home with my 6 month old and my  3 year old...I saw the door handle moving and I stood there praying it was locked...it stopped and I quickly peeked through my blind as I saw this large man walk out my front gate.. it was him. I would not have hesitated to use it had he come in through my door..he knew it was just me there, he was watching for quite a while..
even though you will charged with murder in such circumstances.. you cannot hurt or kill an intruder on your property..the US has it right in that regard..

Rider wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 8:11pm:

Agnes wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 6:50pm: Rider wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 6:42pm: Agnes wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 6:36pm: Would any Australian like to be able to walk into a "drug store" aka the US.. and just buy a gun/hand gun...sometimes I would welcome this freedom.. but most of the time not. Sure. Did it heaps of times before JH stole our rights. Never shot anything i didnt want to shoot. Never aimed at anything i wasnt gonna shoot.   Me too... but we had hardly any gun crime prior to Martin Bryant..knee jerk reaction I think Exactly, criminals have guns today as they did in the past. Our new restrictions are nothing more than hot air and a deliberate disarming of society. Took my kids shooting over the holidays...taught them to respect and be safe with firearms. No issue. Total over reach by JH, sucking up to the limp wristed muppets who never voted for him and never would.

Well done you Rider teaching your kids gun safety...

Agnes wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 8:40pm:

Rider wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 8:11pm: Agnes wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 6:50pm: Rider wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 6:42pm: Agnes wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 6:36pm: Would any Australian like to be able to walk into a "drug store" aka the US.. and just buy a gun/hand gun...sometimes I would welcome this freedom.. but most of the time not. Sure. Did it heaps of times before JH stole our rights. Never shot anything i didnt want to shoot. Never aimed at anything i wasnt gonna shoot.   Me too... but we had hardly any gun crime prior to Martin Bryant..knee jerk reaction I think Exactly, criminals have guns today as they did in the past. Our new restrictions are nothing more than hot air and a deliberate disarming of society. Took my kids shooting over the holidays...taught them to respect and be safe with firearms. No issue. Total over reach by JH, sucking up to the limp wristed muppets who never voted for him and never would. Well done you Rider teaching your kids gun safety...

Tks, we all had a blast!  Amazing thing is how much people enjoy shooting,  even the ones who are opposed to gun ownership/use...just shows you how soft and misguided this country has become.

And for 4 days the kids couldnt give a sh1t about their iphones and social media. WinWin really. Oh well, till next holidays back on the farm.

Guns are fun to shoot but it's good to know you can flip the bird in traffic and know the driver won't pull out a gun

Gordon wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 9:05pm:

Guns are fun to shoot but it's good to know you can flip the bird in traffic and know the driver won't pull out a gun

" a mans gotta know his limitations"

http://www.modern-canvas-art.com/ekmps/shops/robboweb1/images/clint-eastwood-dirty-harry-pop-art-canvas-print-dh1-138-p.jpg

Agnes wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 7:33pm: Agnes wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 6:36pm: Would any Australian like to be able to walk into a "drug store" aka the US.. and just buy a gun/hand gun...sometimes I would welcome this freedom.. but most of the time not. you cant be serious!!! that is the most dumbest thing I have ever seen anyone admit....what are you thinking agnes???....would you be happy to see your son walking out of a  chemist shop carrying a gun.. knowing full well any other 18 yr old can do the same... :o :o :o It has never been that way in Australia cods, even before the ban on guns..nuff said, in Australia there were pretty strict conditions before you could buy a gun..not in the US though. No I did not explain my reasons and now I won't for the most part.. I have used guns..and also like target practice at Gun Clubs.. a lot of women do. I would like to own a cross bow as well...so I could join a club...you will get a very bad knee jumping to all those conclusions.  ;)   Of course I would not like it so teens could go buy a gun and walk out the door... wasn't really a serious proposition..more a right we will never have and I miss being able to pursue that particular sport.. my rifles are gone now. my license expired and the thought Of having to jump through hoops to get it back annoys the heck out of me.

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Would any Australian like to be able to walk into a "drug store" aka the US.. and just buy a gun/hand gun...sometimes I would welcome this freedom.. but most of the time not.

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no one jumped to any conclusions agnes...thats what you said.....YOU would WELCOME this  freedom.. meaning THEIR FREEDOM
to buy guns over the counter....

willy nilly by all accounts... ::)

you like guns.. so does Trump...you have something in common.. ;D ;D

A lot of people like guns cods, I love using a  firearm.. and I still don't like The Bloviator.. ;)

You missed this bit


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"it  wasn't really a serious proposition

Agnes wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 9:36pm:

A lot of people like guns cods, I love using a  firearm.. and I still don't like The Bloviator.. ;) You missed this bit Quote: "it  wasn't really a serious proposition

but it is a serious topic.. anything to do with gun ownership is serious as far as I am concerned..

as far as I can make out.. a GUN has only one purpose..

to blow a hole in something...

I cant think of any other reason to have one.. its doesnt matter if its clay or a paper target.. it will smash it to smithereens..

at least one can find a couple of uses for a knife.. other than putting a hole in someone..

I like tigers agnes but I realise it would be dumb for us to own one.

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

Agnes wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 9:36pm: A lot of people like guns cods, I love using a  firearm.. and I still don't like The Bloviator.. ;) You missed this bit Quote: "it  wasn't really a serious proposition but it is a serious topic.. anything to do with gun ownership is serious as far as I am concerned.. as far as I can make out.. a GUN has only one purpose.. to blow a hole in something...

Well said, cods.

You have just destroyed every single "argument" the gun nuts have.

Dick-less cowards - every last one of them.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 9:51pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 9:44pm: Agnes wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 9:36pm: A lot of people like guns cods, I love using a  firearm.. and I still don't like The Bloviator.. ;) You missed this bit Quote: "it  wasn't really a serious proposition but it is a serious topic.. anything to do with gun ownership is serious as far as I am concerned.. as far as I can make out.. a GUN has only one purpose.. to blow a hole in something... Well said, cods. You have just destroyed every single "argument" the gun nuts have. Dick-less cowards - every last one of them.

greg I feel you would have a better argument if you didnt insist on calling people names..

you need to try debating a b it more...someone will now come along and call you something not nice and there goes the thread...

the gun lobby always uses farmers as a reason to lighten up the rules...and farmers use rifles..and not mostly to kill anything...

if you wish to use a shooting range you can hire the guns no need to own one and have it in your home.. where it can get stolen..

that Olympic Gun champion Diamond I think his name is....he turned out to be quite a dangerous person...

too many with a gun culture use it for other means...

to think we have a Shooters Political party in NSW...is beyond commonsense to  me..

we should be so happy not every nit wit is running around with guns.....like in America.....

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 10:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 9:51pm: cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 9:44pm: Agnes wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 9:36pm: A lot of people like guns cods, I love using a  firearm.. and I still don't like The Bloviator.. ;) You missed this bit Quote: "it  wasn't really a serious proposition but it is a serious topic.. anything to do with gun ownership is serious as far as I am concerned.. as far as I can make out.. a GUN has only one purpose.. to blow a hole in something... Well said, cods. You have just destroyed every single "argument" the gun nuts have. Dick-less cowards - every last one of them. greg I feel you would have a better argument if you didnt insist on calling people names.. ...

I appreciate your advice, but I'm sticking with the facts.

Dick-less cowards.

Looks like Greggerybuggery's meds aren't mixing with the wine well tonight :)

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

Agnes wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 9:36pm: A lot of people like guns cods, I love using a  firearm.. and I still don't like The Bloviator.. ;) You missed this bit Quote: "it  wasn't really a serious proposition but it is a serious topic.. anything to do with gun ownership is serious as far as I am concerned.. as far as I can make out.. a GUN has only one purpose.. to blow a hole in something... I cant think of any other reason to have one.. its doesnt matter if its clay or a paper target.. it will smash it to smithereens.. at least one can find a couple of uses for a knife.. other than putting a hole in someone.. I like tigers agnes but I realise it would be dumb for us to own one.

I guess we mis understand each other.. a gun is only as dangerous as its owner I think.. and I am a shooting range type gun owner anyway..lets not get carried away here. Dont want to argue with pedants..nite.

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 10:09pm:

the gun lobby always uses farmers as a reason to lighten up the rules...and farmers use rifles..and not mostly to kill anything...

Cattle graziers also use handguns. Try pulling a rifle from a scabbard with a scrub bull bearing down on you. Either on horseback or motorcycle. Or repairing fences, troughs etc. You would probably leave the rifle behind, because your hands are full of tools.

Then of course there is the angle they, the bulls come from. Your upper torso won't twist 180º. Which means firing a rifle could cause the butt to slip. Where the round goes is anybodies guess.

Gordon wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 9:05pm:

Guns are fun to shoot but it's good to know you can flip the bird in traffic and know the driver won't pull out a gun

“An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”  --  Robert A. Heinlein

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 10:27pm:

“An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”  --  Robert A. Heinlein

polite society?  ;D ;D ;D

Have you ever watched any of the US reality shows? some are the rudest, most obnoxious dicks around.

John Smith wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 10:43pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 10:27pm: “An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”  --  Robert A. Heinlein polite society?  ;D ;D ;D Have you ever watched any of the US reality shows? some are the rudest, most obnoxious dicks around.

Do they have any reality shows that show reality?

John Smith wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 10:43pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 10:27pm: “An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”  --  Robert A. Heinlein polite society?  ;D ;D ;D Have you ever watched any of the US reality shows? some are the rudest, most obnoxious dicks around.

So, if you wish to avoid those negativities, I suggest you switch off reality shows.

Now, in real life, on the streets of any city or town in a locale where firearms are carried as we here carry wallets, you would probably find that people are not prone to argumentative outbursts, but on the other hand people would probably be very congenial.

Now, is that because they are all aware that others are probably carrying firearms?     IMHO...yes.

If you were there would you, knowing that most probably 4 out of every 10 people are carrying a concealed handgun,would you pick an argument with anyone, not knowing for sure if they were armed or not?.........If you are sane, your most definitely wouldn't.

Even if you yourself were carrying a firearm, the last thing you would probably want to do is be forced to use it as another is using theirs against you, for a frivolous, or an avoidable confrontation.

There are assholes everywhere, but as a rule you will probably find that overall "An Armed Society, is a Polite Society".   ;)

True.

In this semi-rural area most homes have guns. Consequently home invasions, robberies are almost non existent. The local sheriff encourages the purchase of guns - says it makes his job easier. Of course you need a permit and its desirable to attend a course in how to handle firearms safely.

Gun owners are probably more likely to hurt themselves or someone else accidentally than defending themselves against a criminal. But its their choice to own a gun. You cannot legislate against stupidity - only minimize the risks. But not being able to defend yourself or your family from an attacker or intruder in any way you choose as in Australia is wrong.

What country would try to invade America militarily with its 300 million guns? On the other hand Australia with its fabulous wealth, vast underpopulated area and resources may someday wish that they were more like America.

Agnes wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Would any Australian like to be able to walk into a "drug store" aka the US.. and just buy a gun/hand gun...sometimes I would welcome this freedom.. but most of the time not.

Drug stores, no. Gun shops and trade shows yes.

http://thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Gun-show-2.jpg

A trade show is where my 9mm Taurus came from. Decent price, too.

Trade shows can be a bit of a tricky problem, as they can provide a way for people who wouldn't be able to easily acquire a weapon, to do so.
"Known as the "gun show loophole," most states do not require background checks for firearms purchased at gun shows from private individuals -- federal law only requires licensed dealers to conduct checks.

Under the Gun Control Act of 1968, federal law clearly defined private sellers as anyone who sold no more than four firearms per year. But the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act lifted that restriction and loosely defined private sellers as people who do not rely on gun sales as the principal way of obtaining their livelihood.

Some states have opted to go further than federal law by requiring background checks at gun shows for any gun transaction, federal license or not. The majority of these such states require background checks at the point of transfer for all firearms. Alternatively, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Nebraska, New Jersey and North Carolina regulate purchases by prohibiting private dealers from selling to individuals who do not have licenses/permits, which they obtain following background checks. Some states' requirements are limited only to handgun purchases.

Even in states that do not require background checks of private vendors, the venue hosting the event may require it as a matter of policy. In other cases, private vendors may opt to have a third-party licensed dealer run a background check even though it may not be required by law."

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/gun-show-firearms-bankground-checks-state-laws-map.html

Most Americans don't own guns. I think the image of every household polishing their rifle with a gleam in their eye, is highly inaccurate. However, many of us who choose not to own one, would resist any efforts to do away with the right to bear arms.

"Different national polls tend to show slightly different rates of gun ownership. The latest household gun ownership rate in the General Social Survey, in 2014, was 32 percent. The October 2015 Gallup survey showed a higher rate of 43 percent, including guns kept on property outside the home."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/29/american-gun-ownership-is-now-at-a-30-year-low/?utm_term=.6c8b42833e9a

Gordon wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 9:05pm:

Guns are fun to shoot but it's good to know you can flip the bird in traffic and know the driver won't pull out a gun

I knew a workmate who kept a heavy piece of chain for just those times when he might get into a Road RAAGE situation with somebody high on ice.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 6:42pm:

No because Negroes & gangsters would buy them & shoot people every day just like in the USA.

There's nothing wrong with turf wars where they reduce each others numbers with a little gun play. Some would say they are performing a useful public service.

Rider wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 8:11pm:

Took my kids shooting over the holidays...taught them to respect and be safe with firearms. No issue. Total over reach by JH, sucking up to the limp wristed muppets who never voted for him and never would.

Well said.

Agnes wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 8:38pm:

There was a time I was  at home with just my kids Lord Herbert..when I would loved to have a hand gun at home ( stored safely of course). One evening a well known stalker from around my area tried to open my door late at night when I was home with my 6 month old and my  3 year old...I saw the door handle moving and I stood there praying it was locked...it stopped and I quickly peeked through my blind as I saw this large man walk out my front gate.. it was him. I would not have hesitated to use it had he come in through my door..he knew it was just me there, he was watching for quite a while.. even though you will charged with murder in such circumstances.. you cannot hurt or kill an intruder on your property..the US has it right in that regard..

What an awful experience for you. If you had no 'priors', my betting would be that you wouldn't have been given 'jail-time' - especially as you had a baby and a toddler there and were otherwise alone. No judge would have ripped you away from your children for shooting the bastard stone cold dead.

Over and again we have cases of wives who have killed abusive husbands getting released from jail on appeal.

I'm in the market for a crossbow as a substitute for a gun. I've fired a bolt from a genuine Middle Ages crossbow and so I know how lethal they are.

Women should be allowed to carry pepper-spray or mace in their handbags. Jill Meagher might still be alive after her fatal encounter with Adrian Bayley.

Gordon wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 9:05pm:

Guns are fun to shoot but it's good to know you can flip the bird in traffic and know the driver won't pull out a gun

The ones who deserve the finger are probably the very ones who have a 'concealed weapon' within their reach.

Richdude wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 5:10am:

True. In this semi-rural area most homes have guns. Consequently home invasions, robberies are almost non existent. The local sheriff encourages the purchase of guns - says it makes his job easier. Of course you need a permit and its desirable to attend a course in how to handle firearms safely. Gun owners are probably more likely to hurt themselves or someone else accidentally than defending themselves against a criminal. But its their choice to own a gun. You cannot legislate against stupidity - only minimize the risks. But not being able to defend yourself or your family from an attacker or intruder in any way you choose as in Australia is wrong. What country would try to invade America militarily with its 300 million guns? On the other hand Australia with its fabulous wealth, vast underpopulated area and resources may someday wish that they were more like America.

It's a shame Virginia Morse didn't have a gun handy, but then she wouldn't have suspected these two had bad intentions and were capable of doing what they did.

It was a clear case for the Death Penalty, but since the laws had long since been feminised and Christianised no such action was taken.

Crump

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 6:24am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 9:05pm: Guns are fun to shoot but it's good to know you can flip the bird in traffic and know the driver won't pull out a gun I knew a workmate who kept a heavy piece of chain for just those times when he might get into a Road RAAGE situation with somebody high on ice.

Precisely.

Your statement presupposes that you & I, as human beings, have an inalienable right to self-defense.

This right is not a right that needs to be granted by any government or person, this right is a Natural Right....a Right bestowed upon all mankind by the Creator....Nature's God....a Superior Being, long before the institution of any government......long before the idea of government even became an idea.

Protecting ones life & property is simply a Natural Right that can not be transferred, relinquished, or abolished simply....simply because it wasn't a Right granted by Man, & therefore Man has no jurisdiction over the Right itself.....only the outcome of the exercising of that Natural Right.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 6:42pm:

No because Negroes & gangsters would buy them & shoot people every day just like in the USA.

The Department of Justice figures show blacks have a 6 times higher homicide rate in the USA compared to whitefellas- page 11
www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

In Chicago where they have strict gun laws black lives don't matter when blacks are shooting blacks- heyjackass.com

In Bristol Rhode Island they allow people to have scary black semi auto rifles and concealed carry with pistols, no murders for over 16 years with a murder rate of 0.0 per 100K which makes it safer than any city in Australia,Bristol is white middle class USA
city-data.com/crime/crime-Bristol-Rhode-Island.html

We are not allowed to have weapons for self defence in Australia,our politicians want criminals to have a safe working environment

Marla wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 5:17am:

Agnes wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 6:36pm: Would any Australian like to be able to walk into a "drug store" aka the US.. and just buy a gun/hand gun...sometimes I would welcome this freedom.. but most of the time not. Drug stores, no. Gun shops and trade shows yes. http://thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Gun-show-2.jpg A trade show is where my 9mm Taurus came from. Decent price, too.

Sports Stores here too.. think I have been watching too much TV, they nearly always cite a drug store as a place to pick up a handgun..so easy  ;)

Marla wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 5:17am:

Agnes wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 6:36pm: Would any Australian like to be able to walk into a "drug store" aka the US.. and just buy a gun/hand gun...sometimes I would welcome this freedom.. but most of the time not. Drug stores, no. Gun shops and trade shows yes. http://thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Gun-show-2.jpg A trade show is where my 9mm Taurus came from. Decent price, too.

http://thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Gun-show-2.jpg

A trade show is where my 9mm Taurus came from. Decent price, too.



Marla,

Do you have/require a concealed carry permit where you are ?    [Colorado, right ?]

Why do you require a 9mm Taurus ?

Richdude wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 5:10am:

True. In this semi-rural area most homes have guns. Consequently home invasions, robberies are almost non existent. The local sheriff encourages the purchase of guns - says it makes his job easier. Of course you need a permit and its desirable to attend a course in how to handle firearms safely. Gun owners are probably more likely to hurt themselves or someone else accidentally than defending themselves against a criminal. But its their choice to own a gun. You cannot legislate against stupidity - only minimize the risks. But not being able to defend yourself or your family from an attacker or intruder in any way you choose as in Australia is wrong. What country would try to invade America militarily with its 300 million guns? On the other hand Australia with its fabulous wealth, vast underpopulated area and resources may someday wish that they were more like America.

Lol, that myth again, you yanks sure like to cr@p on. Simply because you rely so much on  your guns is what would make you bigger victims. Fighting a war is a lot more than simply having a gun handy, the average american could not under any circumstances be considered as part of a "well regulated militia".

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 6:49am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 9:05pm: Guns are fun to shoot but it's good to know you can flip the bird in traffic and know the driver won't pull out a gun The ones who deserve the finger are probably the very ones who have a 'concealed weapon' within their reach.

Herb, don't go cutting people off in traffic or giving the finger if you are the one cut off. Asserting yourself with rude behavior may not end well. Ask yourself if you would want your children or grandchildren to see you do that.

Road rage that escalates is relatively rare where I live, every reported incident is paraded endlessly on TV until the talking heads find another attention grabber. After all, the News broadcasts are really there to keep you in front of your TVs during the commercials, not inform you about anything.

Hopefully during this Legislative session National Reciprocity will pass. If you are within the laws of your state about concealed carry then you are legal in all States. If there is no restriction in your state about concealed carry than some proof of residency will be all you need. Imagine if your marriage was not valid outside your own State.... Hum, some might feel we are going in the wrong direction.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 6:44am:

Agnes wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 8:38pm:   There was a time I was  at home with just my kids Lord Herbert..when I would loved to have a hand gun at home ( stored safely of course). One evening a well known stalker from around my area tried to open my door late at night when I was home with my 6 month old and my  3 year old...I saw the door handle moving and I stood there praying it was locked...it stopped and I quickly peeked through my blind as I saw this large man walk out my front gate.. it was him. I would not have hesitated to use it had he come in through my door..he knew it was just me there, he was watching for quite a while.. even though you will charged with murder in such circumstances.. you cannot hurt or kill an intruder on your property..the US has it right in that regard.. What an awful experience for you. If you had no 'priors', my betting would be that you wouldn't have been given 'jail-time' - especially as you had a baby and a toddler there and were otherwise alone. No judge would have ripped you away from your children for shooting the bastard stone cold dead. Over and again we have cases of wives who have killed abusive husbands getting released from jail on appeal. I'm in the market for a crossbow as a substitute for a gun. I've fired a bolt from a genuine Middle Ages crossbow and so I know how lethal they are. Women should be allowed to carry pepper-spray or mace in their handbags. Jill Meagher might still be alive after her fatal encounter with Adrian Bayley.

Yes me too.. and hopefully a lot easier to get than another rifle.. just  love the idea of a cross bow for target practice, something so appealing about them, but awful for  hunting, so much room for error and I believe them to be a rather cruel way to hunt..

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 8:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 6:42pm: No because Negroes & gangsters would buy them & shoot people every day just like in the USA. The Department of Justice figures show blacks have a 6 times higher homicide rate in the USA compared to whitefellas- page 11 www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf In Chicago where they have strict gun laws black lives don't matter when blacks are shooting blacks- heyjackass.com In Bristol Rhode Island they allow people to have scary black semi auto rifles and concealed carry with pistols, no murders for over 16 years with a murder rate of 0.0 per 100K which makes it safer than any city in Australia,Bristol is white middle class USA city-data.com/crime/crime-Bristol-Rhode-Island.html We are not allowed to have weapons for self defence in Australia,our politicians want criminals to have a safe working environment

thats a silly thing to say.

the crims her with guns  are Gangsters and so far spend their time killing shooting each other....

bikies are the main source of supply...

and as yet I havent seen a teenager random shooting out of a car window..

sop dont get too carried away..

I dont believe any culture has stopped bloody minded crooks...

and America which is armed to the teeth has the most violent culture of anywhere.. >:( >:( >:(

If it isn't Legal to defend yourself why do you need a weapon? Unless of course you also have a shovel and the ability to keep your mouth shut.


Cods,
and America which is armed to the teeth has the most violent culture of anywhere.

Not true. Haven't you noticed how much agenda driven fake news we are fed?

You arent making any sense Mort.

rhino wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 10:57pm:

You arent making any sense Mort.

I guess you never heard of the three S system. Shoot, Shovel and Shut up.

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 11:03pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 10:57pm: You arent making any sense Mort. I guess you never heard of the three S system. Shoot, Shovel and Shut up.

yes. But who hasnt the right to defend themselves as you claimed?

You and I have had this conversation before! You can be prosecuted for excessive force when responding to an attack. If I am struck on or about the head a lethal response is justified. That is the difference between the Laws of our Countries. 

Ive been attacked more than a few times Mort, Ive never killed anyone. Why does force have to be lethal? Your system encourages more deaths, why do you think that is superior to ours? Isnt less deaths better than more deaths?

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

and America which is armed to the teeth has the most violent culture of anywhere.

Not so Cods, there's roughly 60 countries more dangerous than the US, and most of those would have a culture more violent. Colombia Mexico Saudi Arabia South Africa China Belarus Brazil Russia are examples

The city of Marseille in France is probably a more violent city than any city in the above countries, there's thousands of people with AK47s doing nasty things ....

".... Firing weapons, people are usually stalked and kidnapped in these areas as Gangs Mainly from: Iraq, Kurdistan, Lebanon, Somalia, Afghanistan, Syria, Pakistan, Sudan, Palestine mainly originating from the Middle-East, Central Asia and, Northern Africa


Australia is not doing too well either, there's plenty of countries more peaceful.

Women in Australia should at the very least have a small can of pepper spray in their possession and use it when and if the need arises

Think about that woman cyclist who was robbed and slashed across the face by that black African wielding a box cutter the other week

rhino wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:32am:

Why does force have to be lethal?

Why should victims die? at the hands of attackers who in many cases have guns or knives

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:56am:

rhino wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:32am: Why does force have to be lethal? Why should victims die? at the hands of attackers who in many cases have guns or knives

Less victims die in countries where guns are uncommon.

Yadda wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 9:40pm:

Marla, Do you have/require a concealed carry permit where you are ?    [Colorado, right ?]

No.


Yadda wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 9:40pm:

Why do you require a 9mm Taurus ?

Um...
https://outdoors360.com/women-buying-guns-wake-trump-win/

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 8:42pm:

We are not allowed to have weapons for self defence in Australia, our politicians want criminals to have a safe working environment.

;D ;D ;D

Good one.

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 10:40pm:

Herb, don't go cutting people off in traffic or giving the finger if you are the one cut off. Asserting yourself with rude behavior may not end well. Ask yourself if you would want your children or grandchildren to see you do that.

Huh?

Mort, I was born with too much commonsense and savvy to know not to play Russian Roulette with strangers anywhere, let alone in traffic, and so I've never given anyone 'the bird' in my entire life. A percentage of the public has Psychopathic Personality Disorder, and it's only a matter of time before your abusive bird-flipping is directed at one of these dangerous individuals who will then make it his business to chase you down and terrorise you any which way they can.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 5:57am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 8:42pm: We are not allowed to have weapons for self defence in Australia, our politicians want criminals to have a safe working environment. ;D ;D ;D Good one.

I don't know if this is true -

if a burglar injures themself on your property they
can claim money from you.

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:35am:

The city of Marseille in France is probably a more violent city than any city in the above countries, there's thousands of people with AK47s doing nasty things .... ".... Firing weapons, people are usually stalked and kidnapped in these areas as Gangs Mainly from: Iraq, Kurdistan, Lebanon, Somalia, Afghanistan, Syria, Pakistan, Sudan, Palestine mainly originating from the Middle-East, Central Asia and, Northern Africa

Another very clear case of a Warsaw Ghetto -type situation needing to be implemented to sanitise this city of its 'multicultural diversity'.

The clatter of thousands of French army boots hitting the cobbled streets off trucks encircling the city just after midnight. Shouted orders. Windows lighting up.

A mass forced exodus of Islamic vermin being corralled towards exit-points where transport await departure for the Middle East.

It's just plain commonsense, of course, but for as long as the West's politicians have enough support from the Luvvies in the electorate - nothing but accommodation, appeasement, and pacifist funk will characterise them.   

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 8:42pm:

We are not allowed to have weapons for self defence in Australia, our politicians want criminals to have a safe working environment

Because they are criminals. ::)

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 6:16am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 5:57am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 8:42pm: We are not allowed to have weapons for self defence in Australia, our politicians want criminals to have a safe working environment. ;D ;D ;D Good one. I don't know if this is true - if a burglar injures themself on your property they can claim money from you.

Only if they survive. ;)

lee wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 10:30am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 6:16am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 5:57am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 8:42pm: We are not allowed to have weapons for self defence in Australia, our politicians want criminals to have a safe working environment. ;D ;D ;D Good one. I don't know if this is true - if a burglar injures themself on your property they can claim money from you. Only if they survive. ;)

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Bobby. wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 6:16am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 5:57am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 8:42pm: We are not allowed to have weapons for self defence in Australia, our politicians want criminals to have a safe working environment. ;D ;D ;D Good one. I don't know if this is true - if a burglar injures themself on your property they can claim money from you.

It is true,      .....particularly if   YOU   intentionally injured them, trying to protect yourself, or those you love, or your property.




Whereas, if they die, while up to no good while on your property......

You will likely have to explain why that happened, in a court of law.

It can be tricky.




Of course, if you live semi-rural,       .....we just 'disappear' those who die, while trying to harm us.

;)          .....of course i'm just kidding.                :)                :)

Even if they trip over a rake or fall through a skylight.

lee wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 10:43am:

Even if they trip over a rake or fall through a skylight.

........a burglar CAN seek damages for injury, from you.

Its crazy!



......but here in semi-rural, a lot of our 'problems' can be solved.

We are resourceful people.

Why don't you believe me ?              :)

Gordon wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 9:05pm:

Guns are fun to shoot but it's good to know you can flip the bird in traffic and know the driver won't pull out a gun

That may have been intended as a flippant comment, but it is very powerful. You can get into a drunken bar argument knowing that the worst you will get with be a punch other than 17 bullets to the head which then starts a gun fight leaving a dozen dead.

John Howard did a brave and very good thing and Australia's gun death 'problem' is trivial compared to the USA and our violent crime rate, far lower.

rhino wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 10:57pm:

You arent making any sense Mort.

When has he ever made sense? He's a smacking Texuun for bugger sake. If you think Morty Torty is bad, take a "holiday" there sometime and see for yourself how incredibly smacking stupid (and fat) Texuuns are. You'll find it to be an eye-opening experience. High school graduates (of which there are few) can't even do basics of addition and subtraction in that gawd-forsaken shithole of a state. 

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 10:40pm:

Herb, don't go cutting people off in traffic or giving the finger if you are the one cut off. Asserting yourself with rude behavior may not end well.

Morty Torty is right, Herbie.

I once saw a kid who I'd say was @17 flip off a biker. The biker stopped right in front of him in traffic, got off his bike, walked to car door, opened the car and and repeatedly pummeled that kind in the face with both fist until that kid was bloody mess.

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:56am:

Why should victims die? at the hands of attackers who in many cases have guns or knives

Doesn't even have to be that. If a person enters my residence by illegal means, chances are high they are going to receive a bullet in their head. No conversation, no argument, no bargaining.

Marla wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 11:14am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:56am: Why should victims die? at the hands of attackers who in many cases have guns or knives Doesn't even have to be that. If a person enters my residence by illegal means, chances are high they are going to receive a bullet in their head. No conversation, no argument, no bargaining.

https://i.imgsafe.org/3fc1043062.gif   Dispatch his ass outa this world!!
Chalk it up to 'natural causes' ...... "....comes into my house, naturally he gets very dead...."   ;)

God Bless the ' Castle Doctrine ', where the police won't arrest the shooter, & if they do, in most cases prosecutors won't press charges because a jury almost never convicts when the Castle Doctrine is presented as a defense.

Here in Australia, the law is almost always stacked against the shooter/gun owner.


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Marla wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 11:14am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:56am: Why should victims die? at the hands of attackers who in many cases have guns or knives Doesn't even have to be that. If a person enters my residence by illegal means, chances are high they are going to receive a bullet in their head. No conversation, no argument, no bargaining.

Way to go Marla but here in OZ the prevailing thinking is that anyone entering premises by illegal means is excused because of bad childhood, mental illness, didn't know it was illegal, or is a new immigrant/refugee.

We are not at liberty to harm them except by using "reasonably force, just enough to make them run away", and then call the Police and give a full description of the poor soul, so counseling can be applied to make them a better person

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 11:26pm:

You and I have had this conversation before! You can be prosecuted for excessive force when responding to an attack. If I am struck on or about the head a lethal response is justified. That is the difference between the Laws of our Countries.

Why justified?  Are you so pitiful and lame that the only answer you have to any attack is to KILL?  The problem with such stupidity is that it invites lethal FIRST ATTACK.

idiot.

Yadda wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 10:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 6:16am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 5:57am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 8:42pm: We are not allowed to have weapons for self defence in Australia, our politicians want criminals to have a safe working environment. ;D ;D ;D Good one. I don't know if this is true - if a burglar injures themself on your property they can claim money from you. It is true,      .....particularly if   YOU   intentionally injured them, trying to protect yourself, or those you love, or your property. Whereas, if they die, while up to no good while on your property...... You will likely have to explain why that happened, in a court of law. It can be tricky. Of course, if you live semi-rural,       .....we just 'disappear' those who die, while trying to harm us. ;)          .....of course i'm just kidding.                :)                :)

Yes it's not like the USA here -

we have only a limited right of self defense &
even if you win the court case you'll lose your house in legal fees.
It's not fair.

In Australia if an intruder invades your home and you try to defend yourself, by whatever means..the home owner goes to jail- truth :o :o :o

I would still let him have it- he is not there for any other reason except to cause harm or death..I would worry about that later- in jail.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

That is the difference between the Laws of our Countries.

That's the point Mort was making longy

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:30pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:39am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 6:16am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 5:57am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 8:42pm: We are not allowed to have weapons for self defence in Australia, our politicians want criminals to have a safe working environment. ;D ;D ;D Good one. I don't know if this is true - if a burglar injures themself on your property they can claim money from you. It is true,      .....particularly if   YOU   intentionally injured them, trying to protect yourself, or those you love, or your property. Whereas, if they die, while up to no good while on your property...... You will likely have to explain why that happened, in a court of law. It can be tricky. Of course, if you live semi-rural,       .....we just 'disappear' those who die, while trying to harm us. ;)          .....of course i'm just kidding.                :)                :) Yes it's not like the USA here - we have only a limited right of self defense & even if you win the court case you'll lose your house in legal fees. It's not fair.

You are wrong. You are entitled to self-defence but it must be APPROPRIATE response. If someone throws a book at you, you cannot shoot him. If he enters your house, you cannot throw a grenade at him.  If someone attacks you and has what you believe to be the desire and ability to kill you then you ARE entitled to use deadly force. Most countries have the same definition of self-defence which is why the USA has more gun deaths than most of the western world put together.

Yadda wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 10:49am:

Why don't you believe me ?              Smiley

I do. I was giving a statement, not questioning.

Marla wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 11:14am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:56am: Why should victims die? at the hands of attackers who in many cases have guns or knives Doesn't even have to be that. If a person enters my residence by illegal means, chances are high they are going to receive a bullet in their head. No conversation, no argument, no bargaining.

Thatsa ma girl!  :)

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:34pm:

You are wrong. You are entitled to self-defence but it must be APPROPRIATE response. If someone throws a book at you, you cannot shoot him. If he enters your house, you cannot throw a grenade at him.  If someone attacks you and has what you believe to be the desire and ability to kill you then you ARE entitled to use deadly force. Most countries have the same definition of self-defence which is why the USA has more gun deaths than most of the western world put together.

Now if you have not seen the intruder and are behind a locked bedroom door, you can tell them to clear off, you have a shotgun. If they attempt to open the door, because you have not seen whether they are armed or unarmed, you can shoot through the door.

Got stats for the highlighted section?

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:34pm:

You are wrong. You are entitled to self-defence but it must be APPROPRIATE response. If someone throws a book at you, you cannot shoot him. If he enters your house, you cannot throw a grenade at him.  If someone attacks you and has what you believe to be the desire and ability to kill you then you ARE entitled to use deadly force. Most countries have the same definition of self-defence which is why the USA has more gun deaths than most of the western world put together.

God Bless the USA!

Here, if a man/woman walks/breaks into my home absent an invite, without getting into any how or why particulars, I will provide him/her with as decent a burial as I can provide ..... damn the ground is hard ..... everywhere!!!

It'd be like he/she never existed.......skrew APPROPRIATE, they won't ever be doin' that again ...... to anyone!

The USA has got it exactly right.....Castle Doctrine.....Stand Your Ground.    SSS https://i.imgsafe.org/f3edabb.gif

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:34pm:

You are wrong. You are entitled to self-defence but it must be APPROPRIATE response. If someone throws a book at you, you cannot shoot him. If he enters your house, you cannot throw a grenade at him.  If someone attacks you and has what you believe to be the desire and ability to kill you then you ARE entitled to use deadly force. Most countries have the same definition of self-defence which is why the USA has more gun deaths than most of the western world put together.

In military parlance 'you are fitted for, but not with'.

So you are indeed allowed to protect your self against armed intruders who are hell bent on doing harm to you and your family. But you will not be allowed to facilitate that protection with anything more significant than a broom handle.

If you are a a licenced gun owner, there is little to no chance you will be able to do anything significant before you are overcome by your intruders. And every single criminal knows they are fully protected from harm by the government & police.


The government thrives on a fearful populace, much easier to manipulate and control.

The age of political correctness has swallowed Australia up. Defending you home, family or your person is pursuant to the level of threat. However, if a big knife suddenly appears in the intruders hand with your blood on it after you have shot him dead, chances are (very slim) that you MIGHT just get away with self-defence under very extenuating circumstances. :-/

I was told in PNG, many years ago, "The first shot is fired into the ceiling, isn't it?"

lee wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:34pm: You are wrong. You are entitled to self-defence but it must be APPROPRIATE response. If someone throws a book at you, you cannot shoot him. If he enters your house, you cannot throw a grenade at him.  If someone attacks you and has what you believe to be the desire and ability to kill you then you ARE entitled to use deadly force. Most countries have the same definition of self-defence which is why the USA has more gun deaths than most of the western world put together. Now if you have not seen the intruder and are behind a locked bedroom door, you can tell them to clear off, you have a shotgun. If they attempt to open the door, because you have not seen whether they are armed or unarmed, you can shoot through the door. Got stats for the highlighted section?

Would it matter? Ive done the gun dance before with gun lovers and it pointless. You will dispute any figures I produce and then counter with the NRA's stats which are something like 200 a year killed and so why would i bother? In climate change you are superb with stats and live and breathe them but as far as guns are concerned... you want them and so no stat will ever be correct unless it agrees with you.

Many of you simply salivate for the opportunity to kill someone. How many of you even KNOW someone who was assaulted or had a home invasion?

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Many of you simply salivate for the opportunity to kill someone. How many of you even KNOW someone who was assaulted or had a home invasion?

Or, just want to preserve self and loved ones.


I have no doubt that some of you would abandon your family for self in a heart beat due to fear. But that does not mean everyone is like you.  :) :)


They are only scumbag criminals, when it comes down to us or them; surely you have to side with us?

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 4:04pm:

you want them and so no stat will ever be correct unless it agrees with you.

I don't own any guns.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 11:26pm: You and I have had this conversation before! You can be prosecuted for excessive force when responding to an attack. If I am struck on or about the head a lethal response is justified. That is the difference between the Laws of our Countries.  Why justified?  Are you so pitiful and lame that the only answer you have to any attack is to KILL?  The problem with such stupidity is that it invites lethal FIRST ATTACK. idiot.

I can see why you don't understand, unlike most people your brain is in your Ass!

Many of you simply salivate for the opportunity to kill someone. How many of you even KNOW someone who was assaulted or had a home invasion?

I caught a Home Invader once and chased him off. Why would a sane person want to kill if it is not necessary? 

Marla wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 11:03am:

rhino wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 10:57pm: You arent making any sense Mort. When has he ever made sense? He's a smacking Texuun for bugger sake. If you think Morty Torty is bad, take a "holiday" there sometime and see for yourself how incredibly smacking stupid (and fat) Texuuns are. You'll find it to be an eye-opening experience. High school graduates (of which there are few) can't even do basics of addition and subtraction in that gawd-forsaken shithole of a state.

Marla is a good example of a person who shouldn't be allowed to own sharp objects much less firearms! Between the Anger Issues, Drug abuse and admitted general immoral lifestyle she poses a danger to others as well as her self.

There ya go Mr Dooley.  No gun was required.

Aussie wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

There ya go Mr Dooley.  No gun was required.

If you mean the night I caught an Intruder, my near nudity probably frightened him as much as the gun. Two hours after I went to bed I was not dressed for company!

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:49pm: There ya go Mr Dooley.  No gun was required. If you mean the night I caught an Intruder, my near nudity probably frightened him as much as the gun. Two hours after I went to bed I was not dressed for company!

Fat Texicuuuuuuuuuun as Marla alleges, ey?

Aussie wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 10:03pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:00pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:49pm: There ya go Mr Dooley.  No gun was required. If you mean the night I caught an Intruder, my near nudity probably frightened him as much as the gun. Two hours after I went to bed I was not dressed for company! Fat Texicuuuuuuuuuun as Marla alleges, ey?

Nope, just your average 6'1" and 200 pounds freedom loving Texan with a little more alertness than your average Zombie.

:) Don't be upset with Marla. Everyone knows everyone in Colorado is a brain-fried, washed-up druggie with a hygiene problem. They get confused.

(And no, I don't believe that, but it's how ignorant Marla sounded when on the diatribe about Texas.)

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 2:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:34pm: You are wrong. You are entitled to self-defence but it must be APPROPRIATE response. If someone throws a book at you, you cannot shoot him. If he enters your house, you cannot throw a grenade at him.  If someone attacks you and has what you believe to be the desire and ability to kill you then you ARE entitled to use deadly force.Most countries have the same definition of self-defence which is why the USA has more gun deaths than most of the western world put together. In military parlance 'you are fitted for, but not with'. So you are indeed allowed to protect your self against armed intruders who are hell bent on doing harm to you and your family. But you will not be allowed to facilitate that protection with anything more significant than a broom handle. If you are a a licenced gun owner, there is little to no chance you will be able to do anything significant before you are overcome by your intruders. And every single criminal knows they are fully protected from harm by the government & police. The government thrives on a fearful populace, much easier to manipulate and control.

You're right BigOl,

Longy doesn't know.