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Message started by AiA on Jan 7th, 2017 at 7:26am

Title: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AiA on Jan 7th, 2017 at 7:26am
U.S. intelligence agencies: Putin ordered intervention in presidential election



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/intelligence-chiefs-expected-in-new-york-to-brief-trump-on-russian-hacking/2017/01/06/5f591416-d41a-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html?pushid=breaking-news_1483737231&tid=notifi_push_breaking-news&utm_term=.e79ba585a7df

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 7:45am

"Russian President Vladimir Putin sought to help Donald Trump win the presidential election, a US intelligence report says."



Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by The Mechanic on Jan 7th, 2017 at 7:50am
and it was going to say anything else?  ::)

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AiA on Jan 7th, 2017 at 8:09am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 7:50am:
and it was going to say anything else?  ::)


Mechanic thinks the fantasies that run rampant in his head "trump" professional intelligence reports! Isn't that the definition of insanity? Somebody get a straightjacket! Shock treatments are the answer!

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by aquascoot on Jan 7th, 2017 at 8:58am
it doesnt pay to be a beta male.

World alpha Vlad has an encounter in a paddock in the Ukraine with beta male gelding Obama.

The 'weak sauce" game of the beta male is repulsive to the alpha male.
The "weak sauce" game of the beta male emboldens the alpha male.
The alpha male then feels he can "do what he likes" and does just that.

countries led by weak sauce leaders are going to be F*cked from now on.

this includes australia, france germany and many others.

In what rediculous mindset is it beneficial to a country to be led by a weak scrub .

All the good that you create will be attacked , unless you defend it.

And beta males dont defend the good their citizens create.
they supplicate to bad guys and this is both unnatural and disastrous to a tribe.

How pitiful

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by cods on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:01am
I find it interesting how you BELIEVE these agencies  when it favour what you wish to hear..

yet when the same agencies claimed there was WMD .. you didnt believe  a bar of it..

seems very convenient... ::) ::)

if they can prove this why didnt they STOP IT???...

seems to me the horse has bolted... not much point in locking the gate???...

whats the point of having an agency that can only deliver after the deed has been accomplished....

Clinton whined all through the election about Russia... ::) ::)

just sayin!

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by John Smith on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:08am
only a complete and utter fool would ignore his own intelligence services.




cods wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:01am:
yet when the same agencies claimed there was WMD .. you didnt believe  a bar of it..



the major difference is one agency claimed there were WMD's, most of the other agencies, including US weapons inspectors on the ground, said there was no evidence of WMD's


while in this case every US intelligence agency (that I've seen reports from) says there is evidence the Russians were involved somehow.

Do you think Putins going to own up to it? :D :D

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Fireball on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:10am
They've 'proved' absolutely nothing. America's government has been hacked for the past ten years, by English geeks, and other kids from many countries. This is just to delegitimise Trumps victory.

War Games (1983) was loosely based on real life hacking incidents.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Unforgiven on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:10am
The tweeting and other strange behavior must call into question Donald Trump's sanity.

All of Ozpolitic knows Trump's stooge, The Mechanic, has lost his grip of reality.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by The Mechanic on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:13am

cods wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:01am:
I find it interesting how you BELIEVE these agencies  when it favour what you wish to hear..

yet when the same agencies claimed there was WMD .. you didnt believe  a bar of it..

seems very convenient... ::) ::)

if they can prove this why didnt they STOP IT???...

seems to me the horse has bolted... not much point in locking the gate???...

whats the point of having an agency that can only deliver after the deed has been accomplished....

Clinton whined all through the election about Russia... ::) ::)

just sayin!


100% cods...

and the people that they are wheeling out to spread this lie are known liars... James Clapper for instance... (quick aia, go look him up as you won't even have A CLUE of who the lying rsole is )

and is America trying to say that it DOESN;T spy or hack into other countries???

more lies..

hell... even Australia has been caught out spying...

but lets forget about the sideshow of hacking for a minute..

how about looking into what was leaked... ???????????

it exposed the Democrats and the Clintons as crooks, thieves and liars...

it exposed them for doing illegal activities..

it exposed them for rigging elections...

etc etc etc....

but oh... we'll turn a blind eye to all of that.. because we are insane lefties luvvies who want to start WWIII and allow millions of stinking terrorist Muslims into the country..  ::)


Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by cods on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:19am

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:10am:
They've 'proved' absolutely nothing. America's government has been hacked for the past ten years, by English geeks, and other kids from many countries. This is just to delegitimise Trumps victory.

War Games (1983) was loosely based on real life hacking incidents.



suddenly WIKILEAKS isnt the enemy... ;D ;D

dont forget no claims trump had anything to do with it..

so really what has it got to do with TRUMP?

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Fireball on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:28am

cods wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:19am:

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:10am:
They've 'proved' absolutely nothing. America's government has been hacked for the past ten years, by English geeks, and other kids from many countries. This is just to delegitimise Trumps victory.

War Games (1983) was loosely based on real life hacking incidents.



suddenly WIKILEAKS isnt the enemy... ;D ;D

dont forget no claims trump had anything to do with it..

so really what has it got to do with TRUMP?


Absolutely nothing, but the Nobama/Clinton clan want his victory to be tainted for no other reason than Clinton's loss.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by John Smith on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:33am
:D
Putins_bitch_002.jpg (46 KB | 46 )

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by cods on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:36am

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:28am:

cods wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:19am:

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:10am:
They've 'proved' absolutely nothing. America's government has been hacked for the past ten years, by English geeks, and other kids from many countries. This is just to delegitimise Trumps victory.

War Games (1983) was loosely based on real life hacking incidents.



suddenly WIKILEAKS isnt the enemy... ;D ;D

dont forget no claims trump had anything to do with it..

so really what has it got to do with TRUMP?


Absolutely nothing, but the Nobama/Clinton clan want his victory to be tainted for no other reason than Clinton's loss.



could b e jealousy???>..they do believe they are born to rule..or mess up a perfectly good system... ;) ;)

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AiA on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:32am
there is no alternative to this report. it doesn't exist. no one is disputing it. even trump isn't exactly disputing it. he is just throwing rocks at the intelligence community.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by John Smith on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:36am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:13am:
and the people that they are wheeling out to spread this lie are known liars


pull your head out of your arse, even Trump has finally acknowledged that they were hacked by the Russians


President-elect Donald Trump says the outcome of the 2016 US election was not affected by cyber attacks after intelligence agencies briefed him on their conclusion that Russia had staged cyber attacks during the campaign.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/33737008/trump-claims-witch-hunt-over-hacking/#page1

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by The Mechanic on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:39am

AiA wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:32am:
there is no alternative to this report. it doesn't exist. no one is disputing it. even trump isn't exactly disputing it. he is just throwing rocks at the intelligence community.


what report?

what proof?

a news article from a fake news outlet??

durr...

and there was also weapons of mass destruction in Iraq..

how many millions of innocent people must die before the leftist retards wake up to the genocide being carried out around the world by America??

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AiA on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:46am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:39am:

AiA wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:32am:
there is no alternative to this report. it doesn't exist. no one is disputing it. even trump isn't exactly disputing it. he is just throwing rocks at the intelligence community.


what report?

what proof?

a news article from a fake news outlet??



Are you that uninformed? Could that be possible?

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:47am

AiA wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:32am:
there is no alternative to this report. it doesn't exist. no one is disputing it. even trump isn't exactly disputing it. he is just throwing rocks at the intelligence community.


An alleged child rapist in bed with the Russians.

This is the type of man pig the Ranga idolises.



Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AiA on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:49am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:47am:

AiA wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:32am:
there is no alternative to this report. it doesn't exist. no one is disputing it. even trump isn't exactly disputing it. he is just throwing rocks at the intelligence community.


An alleged child rapist in bed with the Russians.

This is the type of man pig the Ranga idolises.


The report, that the entire intelligence community is behind, doesn't put Trump in bed with the Russians.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by The Mechanic on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:51am
sooooooo...

still no proof then...?

you are also dodging the question as to whether the US intelligence agencies are hacking and spying on other countries??

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:53am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:51am:
sooooooo...

still no proof then...?


Correct: there is nothing to prove you are sane.




Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by John Smith on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:53am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:51am:
you are also dodging the question as to whether the US intelligence agencies are hacking and spying on other countries??



apart from deflecting off topic, how is that even relevant?

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by John Smith on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:54am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:51am:
still no proof then...?




President-elect Donald Trump says the outcome of the 2016 US election was not affected by cyber attacks after intelligence agencies briefed him on their conclusion that Russia had staged cyber attacks during the campaign



i know it might be a little subtle for you Mechanic, afterall you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, but this is trump acknowledging that the hacks did happen. Why are you still pretending they didn't?

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AiA on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:57am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:51am:
sooooooo...

still no proof then...?

you are also dodging the question as to whether the US intelligence agencies are hacking and spying on other countries??


I am not sure what you are asking or how to even communicate with a person as uninformed as you. Both President Obama and Donald Trump have seen the report, Obama yesterday and Trump today. It is being shared with other high-ranking officials in the government. A declassified version will be made public soon. All versions come to the same conclusion. Naturally, Trump is downplaying the report because it makes him look bad. Russia is an enemy of the USA.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:02am

AiA wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:57am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:51am:
sooooooo...

still no proof then...?

you are also dodging the question as to whether the US intelligence agencies are hacking and spying on other countries??


I am not sure what you are asking or how to even communicate with a person as uninformed as you.


It's a pity he didn't come with an instruction manual.


Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by The Mechanic on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:05am

AiA wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:57am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:51am:
sooooooo...

still no proof then...?

you are also dodging the question as to whether the US intelligence agencies are hacking and spying on other countries??


I am not sure what you are asking or how to even communicate with a person as uninformed as you. Both President Obama and Donald Trump have seen the report, Obama yesterday and Trump today. It is being shared with other high-ranking officials in the government. A declassified version will be made public soon. All versions come to the same conclusion. Naturally, Trump is downplaying the report because it makes him look bad. Russia is an enemy of the USA.


so...

you are spreading fake news with your fake news thread?

ok... white flag accepted...

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:08am

The Ranga has lost the plot ... again.

He will defend the alleged child rapist until the day he dies.

I wonder if he's willing to share a prison cell with him, though.




Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AiA on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:10am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:05am:

AiA wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:57am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:51am:
sooooooo...

still no proof then...?

you are also dodging the question as to whether the US intelligence agencies are hacking and spying on other countries??


I am not sure what you are asking or how to even communicate with a person as uninformed as you. Both President Obama and Donald Trump have seen the report, Obama yesterday and Trump today. It is being shared with other high-ranking officials in the government. A declassified version will be made public soon. All versions come to the same conclusion. Naturally, Trump is downplaying the report because it makes him look bad. Russia is an enemy of the USA.


so...

you are spreading fake news with your fake news thread?

ok... white flag accepted...


I still don't follow you. The report is real and its conclusions clear. Are you suggesting all this is made up?

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by John Smith on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:11am
I reackon the guy in this story is Mechanic,  either that or it's his boyfriend.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/33727189/drunk-man-launches-racist-tirade-at-melbournes-harmony-park/#page1


Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:12am

John Smith wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:11am:
I reackon the guy in this story is Mechanic,  either that or it's his boyfriend.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/33727189/drunk-man-launches-racist-tirade-at-melbournes-harmony-park/#page1


Boyfriend.

The Mechanic is a Ranga.


Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AiA on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:18am
Mechanic, this story has nothing to with the Washington Post per se. Intelligence officials were questioned by US senators regarding the report on live TV. Are you actually saying all this was faked?

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Culture Warrior on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:19am
Keep dodging the reasons why you lost, lefties. You're looking at 8 years at least in opposition so far. It'll be longer unless you take responsibility and abandon all your idiotic fringe identity politics.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AiA on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:19am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:19am:
Keep dodging the reasons why you lost, lefties. You're looking at 8 years at least in opposition so far. It'll be longer unless you take responsibility and abandon all your idiotic fringe identity politics.


How is your comment relevant to the report?

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:20am

Another apologist for the alleged child rapist enters the ring.

Oh dear, Mistie.

Anyway, read this: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Culture Warrior on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:22am

AiA wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:19am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:19am:
Keep dodging the reasons why you lost, lefties. You're looking at 8 years at least in opposition so far. It'll be longer unless you take responsibility and abandon all your idiotic fringe identity politics.


How is your comment relevant to the report?



Like most leftists, it's always someone else's fault. Good luck with that.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Culture Warrior on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:22am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:20am:
Another apologist for the alleged child rapist enters the ring.

Oh dear, Mistie.

Anyway, read this: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf


What are you insinuating?

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AiA on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:23am
I never knew someone as uninformed as Mechanic existed. The intelligence officials ultimately responsible for the report were questioned on live TV ... in the US Senate chambers just hours ago ...

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:23am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:20am:
Another apologist for the alleged child rapist enters the ring.

Oh dear, Mistie.

Anyway, read this: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf


What are you insinuating?


Insinuating?

I'm not insinuating anything, Mistie.

I'm stating as a fact that Donald Trump is an alleged child rapist.


Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:24am

AiA wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:23am:
I never knew someone as uninformed as Mechanic existed. ...


Neither did I.

He makes Mr Hammer look like a genius.


Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AiA on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:26am
Mechanic, I am guessing you didn't see today's broadcast from the US Senate chambers. Do you think the moon landings were faked as well?

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Culture Warrior on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:27am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:23am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:20am:
Another apologist for the alleged child rapist enters the ring.

Oh dear, Mistie.

Anyway, read this: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf


What are you insinuating?


Insinuating?

I'm not insinuating anything, Mistie.

I'm stating as a fact that Donald Trump is an alleged child rapist.


I am referring to the 'apologist' remark.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Agnes on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:27am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:24am:

AiA wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:23am:
I never knew someone as uninformed as Mechanic existed. ...


Neither did I.

He makes Mr Hammer look like a genius.

  Well ranga..has never said anything intelligent yet on Trumplethinskin.?

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:29am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:23am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:20am:
Another apologist for the alleged child rapist enters the ring.

Oh dear, Mistie.

Anyway, read this: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf


What are you insinuating?


Insinuating?

I'm not insinuating anything, Mistie.

I'm stating as a fact that Donald Trump is an alleged child rapist.


I am referring to the 'apologist' remark.


So, you acknowledge that he is an alleged child rapist?


Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Culture Warrior on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:31am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:29am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:23am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:20am:
Another apologist for the alleged child rapist enters the ring.

Oh dear, Mistie.

Anyway, read this: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf


What are you insinuating?


Insinuating?

I'm not insinuating anything, Mistie.

I'm stating as a fact that Donald Trump is an alleged child rapist.


I am referring to the 'apologist' remark.


So, you acknowledge that he is an alleged child rapist?


Don't answer the question with a question. What do you mean by 'apologist'?

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:34am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:31am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:29am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:23am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:20am:
Another apologist for the alleged child rapist enters the ring.

Oh dear, Mistie.

Anyway, read this: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf


What are you insinuating?


Insinuating?

I'm not insinuating anything, Mistie.

I'm stating as a fact that Donald Trump is an alleged child rapist.


I am referring to the 'apologist' remark.


So, you acknowledge that he is an alleged child rapist?


Don't answer the question with a question. What do you mean by 'apologist'?


I didn't answer a question with a question, Mistie.

This is not a question: "I am referring to the 'apologist' remark. "

That is a statement (the lack of a question mark is always a good indicator in situations like this).

So, back to my question, following on from your statement: "do you acknowledge that Trump is an alleged child rapist?"

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Culture Warrior on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:36am
'What are you insinuating?' was the question.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:43am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:36am:
'What are you insinuating?' was the question.


I answered that question, Mistie.

Now, back to my question:

"Do you acknowledge that he is an alleged child rapist?"


Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Culture Warrior on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:48am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:43am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:36am:
'What are you insinuating?' was the question.


I answered that question, Mistie.

Now, back to my question:

"Do you acknowledge that he is an alleged child rapist?"


So the claim that 'you're not insinuating anything' is a retraction of the 'apologist' remark? 

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 12:11pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:48am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:43am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:36am:
'What are you insinuating?' was the question.


I answered that question, Mistie.

Now, back to my question:

"Do you acknowledge that he is an alleged child rapist?"


So the claim that 'you're not insinuating anything' is a retraction of the 'apologist' remark? 


Don't answer a question with a question, Mistie.

Do you acknowledge that Trump is an alleged child rapist?



Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Culture Warrior on Jan 7th, 2017 at 12:19pm
Looks like your balls dropped off.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 12:34pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 12:19pm:
Looks like your balls dropped off.


Looks like you're having a bad day.

It also looks like you're avoiding the question.

I answered yours, but you refuse to answer mine.

Then, you tried answering my question with a question.

Doesn't work that way, Mistie.

I'm gonna keep asking you until you answer: do you acknowledge that Trump is an alleged child rapist?

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Culture Warrior on Jan 7th, 2017 at 12:40pm
You didn't answer my question. You avoided it. Your balls dropped off.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 12:45pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
You didn't answer my question.


I most certainly did.

Now, do you acknowledge that Trump is an alleged child rapist?


Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Culture Warrior on Jan 7th, 2017 at 12:47pm
Around in circles. Little man can't follow through.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 1:02pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 12:47pm:
Around in circles.


Not circles, Mistie.

You still haven't answered the question.

Do you acknowledge that Trump is an alleged child rapist, apologist?



Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by issuevoter on Jan 7th, 2017 at 1:25pm
Blah, blah, blah. Look, there are three points here.

One: Putin is responsible. Yeah? Prove it, or cut the BS.

Two: The above, whether true or not, is not as important as the content of HC's emails that Putin is supposed to have exposed. If the truth tipped the scales, perhaps that is a good thing.

Three: If Wikileaks had released the information, all your progressive-liberals whiners would have had to disavow their hero.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 1:26pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 1:25pm:
Blah, blah, blah. Look, there are three points here.

One: Putin is responsible. Yeah? Prove it, or cut the BS.

Two: The above, whether true or not, is not as important as the content of HC's emails that Putin is supposed to have exposed. If the truth tipped the scales, perhaps that is a good thing.

Three: If Wikileaks had released the information, all your progressive-liberals whiners would have had to disavow their hero.


Four: Does Mistie acknowledge that Trump is an alleged child rapist?

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Mr Hammer on Jan 7th, 2017 at 1:34pm
Won't be long before the white house is de-ghettoised and that monkey and his crazy will wife disappear into b grade history. Soon he'll be a Jeopardy question and the US can finally recover.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 1:36pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 1:34pm:
Won't be long before the white house is de-ghettoised and that monkey and his crazy will wife disappear into b grade history. Soon he'll be a Jeopardy question and the US can finally recover.


I've heard that the new tenant has asked for a child-minding facility to be set up in the West Wing.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Mr Hammer on Jan 7th, 2017 at 1:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 1:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 1:34pm:
Won't be long before the white house is de-ghettoised and that monkey and his crazy will wife disappear into b grade history. Soon he'll be a Jeopardy question and the US can finally recover.


I've heard that the new tenant has asked for a child-minding facility to be set up in the West Wing.
See what pecca thinks about guys?- kiddie  fiddling. What a pervert!!

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 1:46pm

See what Mr Hammer defends, guys?


Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by The Mechanic on Jan 7th, 2017 at 1:51pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 1:25pm:
Blah, blah, blah. Look, there are three points here.

One: Putin is responsible. Yeah? Prove it, or cut the BS.

Two: The above, whether true or not, is not as important as the content of HC's emails that Putin is supposed to have exposed. If the truth tipped the scales, perhaps that is a good thing.

Three: If Wikileaks had released the information, all your progressive-liberals whiners would have had to disavow their hero.


exactly...

the hacking is only a minor issue..

it was what was released that was important..

THE TRUTH.....

and the lying leftist don't like that...

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jan 7th, 2017 at 2:03pm
The US has spies.
Russia has spies.

The US claims Russian spies hacked email systems and released real emails.


Thanks Russia if you did that.

Apparently one password was 'password'.
I scarcely believe that.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Dnarever on Jan 7th, 2017 at 2:25pm

cods wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:19am:

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:10am:
They've 'proved' absolutely nothing. America's government has been hacked for the past ten years, by English geeks, and other kids from many countries. This is just to delegitimise Trumps victory.

War Games (1983) was loosely based on real life hacking incidents.



suddenly WIKILEAKS isnt the enemy... ;D ;D

dont forget no claims trump had anything to do with it..

so really what has it got to do with TRUMP?


Trump was responsible for most of the awful things about the last US election - but obviously not all, he started most of the stories about himself as well. In fact it was Trump spilling the beans on himself that put him in the position where he had to go all out against Clinton in such a no holds barred fashion.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by bogarde73 on Jan 7th, 2017 at 3:08pm
The Washington Post fake news swallowers out & about.

You should know it's not anything like the same paper it was when Woodward & Bernstein were there.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2017 at 3:12pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 3:08pm:
The Washington Post fake news swallowers out & about.

You should know it's not anything like the same paper it was when Woodward & Bernstein were there.


Is this the Washington Post, Bogie?

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Bogie = = an utterly foolish or senseless person   <----------- dictionary definition.


Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Belgarion on Jan 7th, 2017 at 3:28pm
No matter who leaked the emails, the American people had the right to be informed of the widespread corruption within the Clinton machine.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Dnarever on Jan 7th, 2017 at 4:18pm

Belgarion wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
No matter who leaked the emails, the American people had the right to be informed of the widespread corruption within the Clinton machine.


In the context of the election it should not be when the Trump corruption is left deliberately unexposed.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by John Smith on Jan 7th, 2017 at 4:25pm

Belgarion wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
No matter who leaked the emails, the American people had the right to be informed of the widespread corruption within the Clinton machine.



so now we go from denying it happened to pretending it didn't matter?

:D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Dnarever on Jan 7th, 2017 at 4:29pm

Quote:
Moscow’s use of disclosures during the US election was unprecedented, but its influence campaign otherwise followed a longstanding Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operations—such as cyber activity—with overt efforts by Russian Government agencies, state-funded media, third-party intermediaries, and paid social media users or “trolls.”


paid social media users or “trolls.”

OK Bogy, Spincycle, Cods, Herby and others own up - who was on the payrole ???

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by John Smith on Jan 7th, 2017 at 4:42pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
paid social media users or “trolls.”

OK Bogy, Spincycle, Cods, Herby and others own up - who was on the payrole ???



Herbs gotta bit of Russian in him :o :o

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by The Mechanic on Jan 7th, 2017 at 5:07pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 4:25pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
No matter who leaked the emails, the American people had the right to be informed of the widespread corruption within the Clinton machine.



so now we go from denying it happened to pretending it didn't matter?

:D :D :D :D


he didn't say that at all you retard..

are you saying that the people are not entitled to see evidence of corruption of the people that they are voting into the White House??

there's no disputing that the evidence was leaked... dur...

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jan 7th, 2017 at 5:15pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 4:18pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
No matter who leaked the emails, the American people had the right to be informed of the widespread corruption within the Clinton machine.


In the context of the election it should not be when the Trump corruption is left deliberately unexposed.


the clinton machine sourced as much bad media about trump as it could.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AiA on Jan 8th, 2017 at 4:10am
The way some of you carry on it makes one think that you are completely uninformed:  the intelligence report does not say that Russian interference swayed the election in Trump's favour. It does not say Trump was in bed with them. It does offer proof that the Russians did, in fact, try to influence the election.

The finger is not pointed at Trump. No one is implying that he is guilty. Trump is throwing stones at the intelligence community, the same group of professionals that keep him, America and the world as safe as it can, because he is a thin-skinned megalomaniac.

Bringing the Clintons and the DNC into this is equally bizarre. The Russians acted independently and collaborated with no American individual or organisation.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Dnarever on Jan 8th, 2017 at 5:55am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 5:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 4:25pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
No matter who leaked the emails, the American people had the right to be informed of the widespread corruption within the Clinton machine.



so now we go from denying it happened to pretending it didn't matter?

:D :D :D :D


he didn't say that at all you retard..

are you saying that the people are not entitled to see evidence of corruption of the people that they are voting into the White House??

there's no disputing that the evidence was leaked... dur...


of the people that they are voting into the White House??

Doesn't people infer that the beans would be spilt on both of them ?  Spilling the beans on one n order to give the other an advantage is a different matter ?

They could have more easily gone after Trump but chose not to.

Releasing part of the story in order to get a desired political outcome is a little different in terms of what is reasonable, fair or honest or is it just that everyone already knows that trump is a crook and sexual predator.

there's no disputing that the evidence was leaked

Fairly certain that there is, there is evidence that much if not all of it was hacked.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Dnarever on Jan 8th, 2017 at 6:09am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 5:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 4:18pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
No matter who leaked the emails, the American people had the right to be informed of the widespread corruption within the Clinton machine.


In the context of the election it should not be when the Trump corruption is left deliberately unexposed.


the clinton machine sourced as much bad media about trump as it could.


Most of Trumps bad media was primarily generated by himself.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Dnarever on Jan 8th, 2017 at 6:51am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 5:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 4:25pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
No matter who leaked the emails, the American people had the right to be informed of the widespread corruption within the Clinton machine.



so now we go from denying it happened to pretending it didn't matter?

:D :D :D :D


he didn't say that at all you retard..

are you saying that the people are not entitled to see evidence of corruption of the people that they are voting into the White House??

there's no disputing that the evidence was leaked... dur...


see evidence of corruption


There really wasn't much in the emails, the main problem is that there are so many of them that people were able to claim anything, and did.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by The Mechanic on Jan 8th, 2017 at 7:42am

AiA wrote on Jan 8th, 2017 at 4:10am:
The way some of you carry on it makes one think that you are completely uninformed:  the intelligence report does not say that Russian interference swayed the election in Trump's favour. It does not say Trump was in bed with them. It does offer proof that the Russians did, in fact, try to influence the election.

The finger is not pointed at Trump. No one is implying that he is guilty. Trump is throwing stones at the intelligence community, the same group of professionals that keep him, America and the world as safe as it can, because he is a thin-skinned megalomaniac.

Bringing the Clintons and the DNC into this is equally bizarre. The Russians acted independently and collaborated with no American individual or organisation.


and that would be you... dunce..

its like you are politically retarded like Kat..

do your history and see how many "white" flags incidences that the US intelligence agencies have used to "FOOL" the American people...

here's a clue - THEY HAVE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION

dur...

grow a brain for Christ's sakes...

you are like dunny... all you do is "barrack" for YOUR TEAM

like you would in a football match... and no matter how stupid, useless and corrupt they are... YOU STILL BARRACK FOR THEM...

Obama is still pushing troops towards Russia

Obama is still killing innocent civilians while we talk about this hacking garbage..

you are being fooled and you don't even realise it... the real story is that Obama and Co are War Criminals who are pushing on with WWIII.... 

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by The Mechanic on Jan 8th, 2017 at 8:27am

Quote:
And while the passage of the NDAA is an annual event that is not surprising in itself, some of the provisions often hidden within the defense-spending bill can be – such as the provision providing for indefinite detention of American citizens without trial or charge, which was included in the 2012 NDAA.

This year was no exception.

This year’s most insidious NDAA provision, called the Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act of 2016, essentially creates a de facto U.S. Ministry of Truth. The corporate mainstream media, aside from cursory reporting on the passage of the defense-spending bill, has generally failed to report on the implications resulting from the included provisions as to keep Americans in the dark about the Information War being waged on them by their own government.

According to a report by Zero Hedge:

As we reported in early June, “a bill to implement the U.S.’ very own de facto Ministry of Truth had been quietly introduced in Congress. As with any legislation attempting to dodge the public spotlight the Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act of 2016 marks a further curtailment of press freedom and another avenue to stultify avenues of accurate information. Introduced by Congressmen Adam Kinzinger and Ted Lieu, H.R. 5181 seeks a “whole-government approach without the bureaucratic restrictions” to counter “foreign disinformation and manipulation,” which they believe threaten the world’s “security and stability.”

Also called the Countering Information Warfare Act of 2016 (S. 2692), when introduced in March by Sen. Rob Portman, the legislation represents a dramatic return to Cold War-era government propaganda battle.

H.R. 5181 would task the Secretary of State with coordinating the Secretary of Defense, the Director of National Intelligence, and the Broadcasting Board of Governors to “establish a Center for Information Analysis and Response,” which will pinpoint sources of disinformation, analyze data, and — in true dystopic manner — ‘develop and disseminate’ “fact-based narratives” to counter effrontery propaganda.

Interestingly, this reveals that before the discredited mainstream media began regularly droning about “fake news/Russian propaganda”, as a means of gaining more informational control and regaining their positions as informational gatekeepers – which has been essentially destroyed with the advent of social media – the U.S. government was already strategizing a legally underpinned crackdown on any news that dissents from the ‘official’ government line as being “fake news.”

Thus, with discredited media organizations like CNN and the Washington Post working to propagandize and indoctrinate the American public into believing that dissent equates to “Russian Propaganda” or “fake news,” the stage is set for the government to crack down on any news outlets that don’t stick to the standards of the newly created U.S. Ministry of Truth as being labeled “foreign propaganda.”

In other words, the government will now be the arbiter of truth, backed by the force of the law.


American's have lost their freedom of speech...

American's will believe what their government tells it to believe or feel the full force of the law agains them...

one would wonder why the Septic Tanks are going down this path...

they still seem to be pushing for WWIII

Trump could be their only chance to avoid an all out WWIII... the first stages have already begun... its been going on for years with lamestream media being silent with Bush and then Obama continuing to push towards Russia with Hundreds of new bases, ballistic missile weapons and troops..

its freaking madness...

all to fill the pockets of the illite rich pigs...   

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Ajax on Jan 8th, 2017 at 8:36am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 8th, 2017 at 8:27am:
American's have lost their freedom of speech...

American's will believe what their government tells it to believe or feel the full force of the law agains them...

one would wonder why the Septic Tanks are going down this path...

they still seem to be pushing for WWIII

Trump could be their only chance to avoid an all out WWIII... the first stages have already begun... its been going on for years with lamestream media being silent with Bush and then Obama continuing to push towards Russia with Hundreds of new bases, ballistic missile weapons and troops..

its freaking madness...

all to fill the pockets of the illite rich pigs...   


If Putin opened up Russia and sold her off to the oligarchy like every western politician has done over the last three decades we wouldn't have a problem.

We are on the verge of WW3 because the oligarchy cannot get its hands on the wealth of Russia and Putin is pushing back hard.

This is madness, how have we allowed a hand full of men to dictate the future of the whole planet.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by John Smith on Jan 8th, 2017 at 9:34am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 5:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 4:25pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
No matter who leaked the emails, the American people had the right to be informed of the widespread corruption within the Clinton machine.



so now we go from denying it happened to pretending it didn't matter?

:D :D :D :D


he didn't say that at all you retard..

are you saying that the people are not entitled to see evidence of corruption of the people that they are voting into the White House??

there's no disputing that the evidence was leaked... dur...


I'm saying foreign govts should not be affecting another govt's elections Mechanic. Do you have a problem with that? Do you think foreign govt's should unduly influence an election?

I seem to recall you (pretty sure it was you) bitching once when one foreign MP made an adverse comment about Abbott ... you seemed to think he should have minded his own business and not gotten involved in Australian politics. Are you now saying it's OK as long as it helps your side?


no wonder everyone thinks you're an idiot.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AiA on Jan 9th, 2017 at 8:54am
Ask yourself why Trump is not focusing on the crux of the report - that Putin ordered a campaign aimed at helping Trump take the White House and instead is emphasizing Russia's failure to actually disrupt the election ...

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jan 9th, 2017 at 9:01am

Ajax wrote on Jan 8th, 2017 at 8:36am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 8th, 2017 at 8:27am:
American's have lost their freedom of speech...

American's will believe what their government tells it to believe or feel the full force of the law agains them...

one would wonder why the Septic Tanks are going down this path...

they still seem to be pushing for WWIII

Trump could be their only chance to avoid an all out WWIII... the first stages have already begun... its been going on for years with lamestream media being silent with Bush and then Obama continuing to push towards Russia with Hundreds of new bases, ballistic missile weapons and troops..

its freaking madness...

all to fill the pockets of the illite rich pigs...   


If Putin opened up Russia and sold her off to the oligarchy like every western politician has done over the last three decades we wouldn't have a problem.

We are on the verge of WW3 because the oligarchy cannot get its hands on the wealth of Russia and Putin is pushing back hard.

This is madness, how have we allowed a hand full of men to dictate the future of the whole planet.



Agreed

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jan 9th, 2017 at 9:10am

AiA wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 8:54am:
Ask yourself why Trump is not focusing on the crux of the report - that Putin ordered a campaign aimed at helping Trump take the White House and instead is emphasizing Russia's failure to actually disrupt the election ...


Trump won.


Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by The Mechanic on Jan 9th, 2017 at 2:07pm

AiA wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 8:54am:
Ask yourself why Trump is not focusing on the crux of the report - that Putin ordered a campaign aimed at helping Trump take the White House and instead is emphasizing Russia's failure to actually disrupt the election ...


what report???

still no evidence.. still more just same old same old lip service..

the "so called" senate hearing was an utter joke chaired by a group of pathetic old known liars who shouldn't be in government at all... hopefully they'll be pushing up daisies some time soon..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARiW-N5Ygc

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 9th, 2017 at 2:36pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 9:10am:

AiA wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 8:54am:
Ask yourself why Trump is not focusing on the crux of the report - that Putin ordered a campaign aimed at helping Trump take the White House and instead is emphasizing Russia's failure to actually disrupt the election ...


Trump won.


Actually, Hillary won the popular vote.

That means more American voters wanted her as President rather than Trump.

Undeniable fact.


Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Spy Who Came in From the Cold on Jan 9th, 2017 at 2:46pm
it is most certainly true ~ speculation was rife in the lead up to election day regarding Vladimir-fact. becoming more fascinating by the day.  I want to see Vlad and the Donald in a covert passionate embrace clicked  from behind a heavy gold brocade curtain in the depths of  Trump Tower.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Dnarever on Jan 9th, 2017 at 3:19pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 9:10am:

AiA wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 8:54am:
Ask yourself why Trump is not focusing on the crux of the report - that Putin ordered a campaign aimed at helping Trump take the White House and instead is emphasizing Russia's failure to actually disrupt the election ...


Trump won.


With a little help from his friends.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Dnarever on Jan 9th, 2017 at 3:25pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 2:07pm:

AiA wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 8:54am:
Ask yourself why Trump is not focusing on the crux of the report - that Putin ordered a campaign aimed at helping Trump take the White House and instead is emphasizing Russia's failure to actually disrupt the election ...


what report???

still no evidence.. still more just same old same old lip service..

the "so called" senate hearing was an utter joke chaired by a group of pathetic old known liars who shouldn't be in government at all... hopefully they'll be pushing up daisies some time soon..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARiW-N5Ygc


Someone should tell the poor dopey bugger to have a shave and to pull his head in.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Jan 9th, 2017 at 3:27pm

Ajax wrote on Jan 8th, 2017 at 8:36am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 8th, 2017 at 8:27am:
American's have lost their freedom of speech...

American's will believe what their government tells it to believe or feel the full force of the law agains them...

one would wonder why the Septic Tanks are going down this path...

they still seem to be pushing for WWIII

Trump could be their only chance to avoid an all out WWIII... the first stages have already begun... its been going on for years with lamestream media being silent with Bush and then Obama continuing to push towards Russia with Hundreds of new bases, ballistic missile weapons and troops..

its freaking madness...

all to fill the pockets of the illite rich pigs...   


If Putin opened up Russia and sold her off to the oligarchy like every western politician has done over the last three decades we wouldn't have a problem.

We are on the verge of WW3 because the oligarchy cannot get its hands on the wealth of Russia and Putin is pushing back hard.

This is madness, how have we allowed a hand full of men to dictate the future of the whole planet.

Dear little AJAX:

What, exactly, is the wealth of russia?

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by John Smith on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:38pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 8th, 2017 at 9:34am:
I'm saying foreign govts should not be affecting another govt's elections Mechanic. Do you have a problem with that? Do you think foreign govt's should unduly influence an election?

I seem to recall you (pretty sure it was you) bitching once when one foreign MP made an adverse comment about Abbott ... you seemed to think he should have minded his own business and not gotten involved in Australian politics. Are you now saying it's OK as long as it helps your side?


no wonder everyone thinks you're an idiot.



bump for Mechanic ....


you seem to have missed this Mechanic .. do you want to clarify your position?

Title: Nope. Not buying it.
Post by AuntieM on Jan 9th, 2017 at 10:10pm
I'm not saying Russia wouldn't be willing to do it.

However -- Seth Rich, 27, was shot and killed on July 10 at 4:15 a.m. in a murder that remains unsolved. Police said there were no suspects or eyewitnesses or an obvious motive. What made the murder so strange was that he may have been a victim of an “attempted robbery,” but his wallet and credit cards were not taken.  His body was covered in bruises and he was shot multiple times in the back.

He was a Director at the DNC, in charge of voter databases, and surely had enough computer literacy to have accessed the information leaked to Wikileaks.

In a recent poll, 73% of Respondents replied they believe Rich, rather than Russians, was the source of the leaks.

In the end, the US election was not hacked...information damaging to one party was leaked, but the election was not "hacked".

Like it or not, Trump won. Now we need to move on.

Title: Re: Nope. Not buying it.
Post by Unforgiven on Jan 9th, 2017 at 10:13pm

AuntieM wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 10:10pm:
I'm not saying Russia wouldn't be willing to do it.

However -- Seth Rich, 27, was shot and killed on July 10 at 4:15 a.m. in a murder that remains unsolved. Police said there were no suspects or eyewitnesses or an obvious motive. What made the murder so strange was that he may have been a victim of an “attempted robbery,” but his wallet and credit cards were not taken.  His body was covered in bruises and he was shot multiple times in the back.

He was a Director at the DNC, in charge of voter databases, and surely had enough computer literacy to have accessed the information leaked to Wikileaks.

In a recent poll, 73% of Respondents replied they believe Rich, rather than Russians, was the source of the leaks.

In the end, the US election was not hacked...information damaging to one party was leaked, but the election was not "hacked".

Like it or not, Trump won. Now we need to move on.


So CIA, FBI, NSA and other security agencies are wrong and some anonymous speculator is right?

Title: Re: Nope. Not buying it.
Post by AuntieM on Jan 9th, 2017 at 10:23pm

Unforgiven wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 10:13pm:

AuntieM wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 10:10pm:
I'm not saying Russia wouldn't be willing to do it.

However -- Seth Rich, 27, was shot and killed on July 10 at 4:15 a.m. in a murder that remains unsolved. Police said there were no suspects or eyewitnesses or an obvious motive. What made the murder so strange was that he may have been a victim of an “attempted robbery,” but his wallet and credit cards were not taken.  His body was covered in bruises and he was shot multiple times in the back.

He was a Director at the DNC, in charge of voter databases, and surely had enough computer literacy to have accessed the information leaked to Wikileaks.

In a recent poll, 73% of Respondents replied they believe Rich, rather than Russians, was the source of the leaks.

In the end, the US election was not hacked...information damaging to one party was leaked, but the election was not "hacked".

Like it or not, Trump won. Now we need to move on.


So CIA, FBI, NSA and other security agencies are wrong and some anonymous speculator is right?

First of all, not all agencies are backing up the "report", whose details are not being declassified for review, and which is based on attribution rather than evidence.  In fact, many intelligence community figures have questioned not only the timing, but the veracity of the report.
Then there is the fact that just several months ago, the CIA was called in for investigation by a Senate committee after misstatements they made in a report that was intended to prove the US Administration was "winning" against ISIL.
And we all remember WMD.
Granted, the CIA would know oodles about what manipulating an election/coup in another country would look like and how it would be done -- just look at Chile, Nicaragua, Haiti, .....

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by John Smith on Jan 9th, 2017 at 10:24pm

AuntieM wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 10:23pm:
First of all, not all agencies are backing up the "report", whose details are not being declassified for review, and which is based on attribution rather than evidence.  In fact, many intelligence community figures have questioned not only the timing, but the veracity of the report.



so which ones aren't supporting the reports?

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AuntieM on Jan 9th, 2017 at 10:30pm
What's more mainstream than "PCWorld"?
"FBI dispute with DNC over hacked servers may fuel doubt on Russia role
The FBI never gained access to the DNC's hacked servers, instead relying on evidence provided from CrowdStrike"
Then the TOR project reports that the information on the servers, provided by the US Government, in no way indicates a Russian link.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AuntieM on Jan 9th, 2017 at 10:38pm
I can't yet post links, sorry about that....
But we should also keep this in mind:
A quick look at just five of those smoking guns — any of which alone would be damning — illustrates why Clinton (with the help of the liberal mainstream media) wanted to keep the attention on the supposed source of the leak, rather than on what the e-mails show about Clinton and her comrades in the DNC.

• As secretary of state, Clinton “reset” relations with Putin’s Russia, which helped the Clinton Foundation and its donors make millions of dollars off a deal that sold Uranium One (and 25 percent of our strategic uranium production) to Russia.

• John Podesta, Clinton’s campaign manager, is involved in a huge financial/national security scandal involving his position as an executive board member of Joule Global Stichting, a company owned by Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg and Putin’s state-owned RUSNANO corporation.

• Secretary of State Clinton set up multi-billion dollar deals and transfers of U.S. technology to help Vladimir Putin build Skolkovo, Russia’s high-tech Silicone Valley, concerning which the FBI has issued “an extraordinary warning” noting that Russia may use this cooperation to obtain America’s “sensitive or classified research development facilities and dual-use technologies.”

• Clinton’s own campaign staff expressed concerns about the Clinton Foundation’s “cozy relationship” with the National Iranian American Council (NIAC), a notorious group with links to Iran’s virulently anti-American regime, and a Clinton fundraising event at the home of NIAC official Michael Chegini.

• The Clinton Foundation accepted more than $10 million from the government of Saudi Arabia and $1 million from Qatar, even though Secretary Clinton noted in an e-mail that the Saudis and Qatar “are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region.”

Title: nope
Post by AuntieM on Jan 9th, 2017 at 10:47pm
Obama-russia
President Barack Obama is stuck between false flag operations and political circus?

” I am deeply offended by the lies being told by the US Government – and more specifically, by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) with the explicit approval of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) and the President – with respect to the Russians “hacking” the US election.  Robert David Steele, Intelligence expert

– I am reminded of the 935 now-documented lies told by Dick Cheney to justify a $5 trillion war and multiple occupations from Afghanistan to Niger – or in more Nordic terms, the falsification by the Swedish military, in collaboration with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and CIA, of a Russian submarine that never existed, allegedly “invading” Swedish waters.

As a CIA spy, I have faked intelligence, lied to government leaders, and managed a modest false flag operation (no one died). This is what CIA does. I accuse John Brennan, Director of the CIA, of being a liar who is in betrayal of the public trust with his lies. The most recent DHS-FBI report – and related reports from small companies seeking to curry favor with the Deep State – are absolute crap.

Image Left: Robert David Steele

I was the author of the first letter to the White House warning of our cyber-security shortfalls, in 1994. In the same year I was the opening speaker for Hackers on Planet Earth. The year before, in 1993, I introduced NSA to hackers — of the 900+ participants in my international conference roughly 60 were from NSA, bused down from Fort Meade to listen to a panel led by Emanuel Goldstein, founder of 2600.

Here are the facts as I understand them, augmented by public statements from Julian Assange, Craig Murray, William Binney, James Bamford, Ray McGovern, Philip Giraldi, and John McAfee – and others who do not wish to be named.

The only people “hacking” the US election have been the two political parties.  The Democratic Party actively conspired against Bernie Sanders and actively stole thirteen primaries from Bernie Sanders using electronic ballot tampering. The Democratic Party also organized roughly three million dead, duplicate, and illegal alien voters. The Republican Party used various means to repress a million black voters.
The Russians – as well as the Israelis, French, Germans, Chinese, and everyone else on the planet with any curiosity – have absolutely been conducting electronic espionage against US political targets. They have not “leaked” anything (generally intelligence services try not to demonstrate that they have successfully hacked in anywhere).
The “leaks” from the Democratic National Committee (DNC) to WikiLeaks were a combination of disgruntled NSA officials furious with Hillary Clinton’s mis-handling of classified materials (including sending emails with classified information to IP addresses in Saudi Arabia and Qatar), and a DNC insider with authorized access who shared copies – all this according to William Binney, Julian Assange, and Craig Murray.
The exposure (I use the term advisedly) of John Podesta as a very unethical political operative with very strong possibilities of also being a pedophile, resulted from a single phishing expedition by a single hacker who social engineered Podesta into changing his Google email password through an intermediate site that then was able to steal all of Podesta’s email. This hacker is in jail in the US and it is almost certain that he is collaborating with a US intelligence service, not the Russians.
The final “leaks” came from the New York Police Department (NYPD) after it confiscated a laptop from Anthony Weiner that turned out to have – it is alleged – all 650,000 emails that included Huma Abedeen as an addressed. This is a mother lode. The FBI immediately sequestered this machine, but not before the NYPD copied many of the emails and leaked the fact that they provided evidence of treason by Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedeen in taking money from Qatar and Saudi Arabia in return for regime change in Syria and Yemen as well as classified information in passing; and information reinforcing the possibilities of female as well as male pedophilia in the highest ranks of the Democratic Party.
The only intelligence services that persistently spy on US politicians across every device they own are the US intelligence services, specifically NSA, with CIA focusing on selected Senators and Representatives. NSA has explicitly spied on Barack Obama in detail since Obama was a junior Senator. The US media, very much under control, is both replaying the false narrative against the Russians, and strictly avoiding any independent commentary on the fact that it is US traitors, not the Russians, who are the threat to US peace and prosperity.

Title: mmm nope
Post by AuntieM on Jan 9th, 2017 at 10:59pm
"These collection resources are extensive [see attached NSA slides 1, 2, 3, 4, 5]; they include hundreds of trace route programs that trace the path of packets going across the network and tens of thousands of hardware and software implants in switches and servers that manage the network. Any emails being extracted from one server going to another would be, at least in part, recognizable and traceable by all these resources.

The bottom line is that the NSA would know where and how any “hacked” emails from the DNC, HRC or any other servers were routed through the network. This process can sometimes require a closer look into the routing to sort out intermediate clients, but in the end sender and recipient can be traced across the network.

The various ways in which usually anonymous spokespeople for U.S. intelligence agencies are equivocating – saying things like “our best guess” or “our opinion” or “our estimate” etc. – shows that the emails alleged to have been “hacked” cannot be traced across the network. Given NSA’s extensive trace capability, we conclude that DNC and HRC servers alleged to have been hacked were, in fact, not hacked.

The evidence that should be there is absent; otherwise, it would surely be brought forward, since this could be done without any danger to sources and methods. Thus, we conclude that the emails were leaked by an insider – as was the case with Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning. Such an insider could be anyone in a government department or agency with access to NSA databases, or perhaps someone within the DNC.

As for the comments to the media as to what the CIA believes, the reality is that CIA is almost totally dependent on NSA for ground truth in the communications arena. Thus, it remains something of a mystery why the media is being fed strange stories about hacking that have no basis in fact. In sum, given what we know of NSA’s existing capabilities, it beggars belief that NSA would be unable to identify anyone – Russian or not – attempting to interfere in a U.S. election by hacking.

For the Steering Group, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)

William Binney, former Technical Director, World Geopolitical & Military Analysis, NSA; co-founder, SIGINT Automation Research Center (ret.)

Mike Gravel, former Adjutant, top secret control officer, Communications Intelligence Service; special agent of the Counter Intelligence Corps and former United States Senator

Larry Johnson, former CIA Intelligence Officer & former State Department Counter-Terrorism Official

Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA analyst (ret.)

Elizabeth Murray, Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Middle East, CIA (ret.)

Kirk Wiebe, former Senior Analyst, SIGINT Automation Research Center, NSA (ret.)"

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jan 9th, 2017 at 11:05pm



Quote:
.................The only people “hacking” the US election have been the two political parties.  The Democratic Party actively conspired against Bernie Sanders and actively stole thirteen primaries from Bernie Sanders using electronic ballot tampering. The Democratic Party also organized roughly three million dead, duplicate, and illegal alien voters. The Republican Party used various means to repress a million black voters.

The Russians – as well as the Israelis, French, Germans, Chinese, and everyone else on the planet with any curiosity – have absolutely been conducting electronic espionage against US political targets. They have not “leaked” anything (generally intelligence services try not to demonstrate that they have successfully hacked in anywhere).

The “leaks” from the Democratic National Committee (DNC) to WikiLeaks were a combination of disgruntled NSA officials furious with Hillary Clinton’s mis-handling of classified materials (including sending emails with classified information to IP addresses in Saudi Arabia and Qatar), and a DNC insider with authorized access who shared copies – all this according to William Binney, Julian Assange, and Craig Murray................




http://phibetaiota.net/2017/01/robert-steele-in-defence-and-intelligence-norway-the-russians-did-not-hack-the-us-election-a-few-facts-from-a-former-cia-spy/


thanks AuntieM

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Ajax on Jan 11th, 2017 at 4:40pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 3:27pm:

Ajax wrote on Jan 8th, 2017 at 8:36am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 8th, 2017 at 8:27am:
American's have lost their freedom of speech...

American's will believe what their government tells it to believe or feel the full force of the law agains them...

one would wonder why the Septic Tanks are going down this path...

they still seem to be pushing for WWIII

Trump could be their only chance to avoid an all out WWIII... the first stages have already begun... its been going on for years with lamestream media being silent with Bush and then Obama continuing to push towards Russia with Hundreds of new bases, ballistic missile weapons and troops..

its freaking madness...

all to fill the pockets of the illite rich pigs...   


If Putin opened up Russia and sold her off to the oligarchy like every western politician has done over the last three decades we wouldn't have a problem.

We are on the verge of WW3 because the oligarchy cannot get its hands on the wealth of Russia and Putin is pushing back hard.

This is madness, how have we allowed a hand full of men to dictate the future of the whole planet.

Dear little AJAX:

What, exactly, is the wealth of russia?


DRAH was a better acronym for you............ :P

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Karnal on Jan 11th, 2017 at 5:19pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:13am:

cods wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:01am:
I find it interesting how you BELIEVE these agencies  when it favour what you wish to hear..

yet when the same agencies claimed there was WMD .. you didnt believe  a bar of it..

seems very convenient... ::) ::)

if they can prove this why didnt they STOP IT???...

seems to me the horse has bolted... not much point in locking the gate???...

whats the point of having an agency that can only deliver after the deed has been accomplished....

Clinton whined all through the election about Russia... ::) ::)

just sayin!


100% cods...

and the people that they are wheeling out to spread this lie are known liars... James Clapper for instance... (quick aia, go look him up as you won't even have A CLUE of who the lying rsole is )

and is America trying to say that it DOESN;T spy or hack into other countries???

more lies..

hell... even Australia has been caught out spying...

but lets forget about the sideshow of hacking for a minute..

how about looking into what was leaked... ???????????

it exposed the Democrats and the Clintons as crooks, thieves and liars...

it exposed them for doing illegal activities..

it exposed them for rigging elections...

etc etc etc....

but oh... we'll turn a blind eye to all of that.. because we are insane lefties luvvies who want to start WWIII and allow millions of stinking terrorist Muslims into the country..  ::)


Stick to the script, Mechanic. You really need to be reading the Leader's Tweets:


Quote:
Trump emerged from a briefing by the nation’s top intelligence officials on the contents of the report acknowledging at least the possibility that Russia was behind election-related hacks. But he offered no indication that he was prepared to accept their conclusions that Moscow sought to help him win.

Instead, Trump said in a statement that while Russia, China and other countries and groups may have sought to breach Democratic and Republican computer systems, “there was absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election.”


This is not about the Russians hacking the Democrats to get Trump in, it's about Trump's popular mandate and ultimately, his legacy.

Of course the Russians did it. Everybody knows. We just need to prove the Amerikan people love Trump more than Russian expansionists and oligarchs.

Now if anyone can do this, you can - with a little help from Sprint.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by aquascoot on Jan 11th, 2017 at 5:44pm
the 60 year disaster that was luvvie ,do gooder,touchy feeley ,softco*k, cry baby, weak sauce, mediocre, self loathing , value leeching and leaning is coming to an end.

vlad and donald...strong powerful masculine , penetrating out into the world, enforcing their ideas on the world, just the way nature has intended masculine energy to be since we crawled out of the primordial slime.

david attenborroughs life of mammals is on tonight.
mandatory viewing for all beta males so they can see how important it is to the stability of our society that we acknowledge the rightful rule of the superior man.
its just the way nature intended it

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Jan 11th, 2017 at 6:10pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 5:44pm:
the 60 year disaster that was luvvie ,do gooder,touchy feeley ,softco*k, cry baby, weak sauce, mediocre, self loathing , value leeching and leaning is coming to an end.

vlad and donald...strong powerful masculine , penetrating out into the world, enforcing their ideas on the world, just the way nature has intended masculine energy to be since we crawled out of the primordial slime.

david attenborroughs life of mammals is on tonight.
mandatory viewing for all beta males so they can see how important it is to the stability of our society that we acknowledge the rightful rule of the superior man.
its just the way nature intended it

-> aqua is tripping: or a recruitment con-man,.. take your pick!

Like a friggin' prostitute on about body language until you start feeling like it's best to get the bugger away  :o

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by Dnarever on Jan 11th, 2017 at 6:20pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 10:24pm:

AuntieM wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 10:23pm:
First of all, not all agencies are backing up the "report", whose details are not being declassified for review, and which is based on attribution rather than evidence.  In fact, many intelligence community figures have questioned not only the timing, but the veracity of the report.



so which ones aren't supporting the reports?


One of them that supported the report said it wasn't certain only extremely likely.

Title: Attribution vs Evidence
Post by AuntieM on Jan 11th, 2017 at 10:23pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 6:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 10:24pm:

AuntieM wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 10:23pm:
First of all, not all agencies are backing up the "report", whose details are not being declassified for review, and which is based on attribution rather than evidence.  In fact, many intelligence community figures have questioned not only the timing, but the veracity of the report.



so which ones aren't supporting the reports?


One of them that supported the report said it wasn't certain only extremely likely.

What they have, is theories based on attribution, rather than evidence.  It's the level of veracity the CIA deems acceptable for their "factfinding".  The DNC didn't give the FBI access to the server to do a proper examination of it, so any proper forensics were impossible.  What we have is based on attribution and assumptions.
A line of code which resembles another line of code which was used in other places.  The problem with lines of code, is they can be used by anyone. 
The appearance that someone used a Cyrillic keyboard. Problem is, the Cyrillic script writing system is an alphabet developed in the 9th century in Bulgaria, and used in the Slavic national languages of Belarusian, Bulgarian, Russian, Rusyn, Bosnian, Serbian, Macedonian, and Ukrainian, and in the non-Slavic languages of Moldovan, Kazakh, Uzbek, Kyrgyz, Tajik, Tuvan, and Mongolian. It also was used in past languages of Eastern Europe, the Caucasus, and Siberia.  Since the accession of Bulgaria to the European Union on 1 January 2007, Cyrillic became the third official alphabet of the European Union, following the Latin and Greek alphabets.  That's a lot of possibilities...

Then, 367 IPs of the 876 IPs given in the report, or 42 percent, are Tor exit nodes which anyone can use.
Of the rest, 30 are in the US and 40 are in the PRC. A number of them are in Israel. Furthermore, the report indicates WINDOWS servers were used by the hackers. 
:-?
What self-respecting Russian hacker is going to use a Windows server, when the Russian government got rid of their Windows servers long ago, deeming them a security risk?

The report was based on guesses, and not estimates. The same kind of guesses that got us into a war in Iraq, and look how we're still dealing with the crap fallout from that...

It's entirely possible Russians -- with or without their Government's orders -- were involved.  However, there is no evidence yet that firmly establishes that to be the truth.  Furthermore, the CIA, DHS and NSA have fudged numbers and "facts" in the past, and we've been far too willing to go to war with the lies in hand.
Caution.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AiA on Jan 12th, 2017 at 2:51am
he can no longer deny the truth

"I think it was Russia," Trump said.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/11/politics/donald-trump-press-conference-highlights/

but Trump refused to answer whether Trump campaign officials met secretly with the Russians.

Title: Poor Pathetic Pundits
Post by AuntieM on Jan 12th, 2017 at 4:38am
From NBC, 15 minutes ago.
Trump Addresses Russia, Ethics Concerns in Wide-Ranging Press Conference
by CARRIE DANN

Trump's remarks come just one day after CNN and other outlets, including NBC News, reported that briefing materials prepared for President-elect Trump included unverified reports that Russia has compromising information on him. Hours later, Buzzfeed published an unverified dossier claiming to detail Russia's efforts to cultivate Trump -- including by direct interactions with Trump surrogates -- and to collect compromising information about him. The document has not been authenticated by Buzzfeed, NBC News or any other media outlet. Trump's team and a Russian spokesperson have vehemently denied the accusations.

Before Trump even took the stage, incoming White House press secretary Sean Spicer and Vice President-elect Mike Pence both denounced Buzzfeed's report from the podium as false and irresponsible.

Spicer called both the Buzzfeed and CNN reports a "sad and pathetic attempt to get clicks," noting that Buzzfeed's own report had acknowledged errors in the unsubstantiated document.

Title: Re: Poor Pathetic Pundits
Post by AiA on Jan 12th, 2017 at 4:41am

AuntieM wrote on Jan 12th, 2017 at 4:38am:
From NBC, 15 minutes ago.
Trump Addresses Russia, Ethics Concerns in Wide-Ranging Press Conference
by CARRIE DANN

Trump's remarks come just one day after CNN and other outlets, including NBC News, reported that briefing materials prepared for President-elect Trump included unverified reports that Russia has compromising information on him. Hours later, Buzzfeed published an unverified dossier claiming to detail Russia's efforts to cultivate Trump -- including by direct interactions with Trump surrogates -- and to collect compromising information about him. The document has not been authenticated by Buzzfeed, NBC News or any other media outlet. Trump's team and a Russian spokesperson have vehemently denied the accusations.

Before Trump even took the stage, incoming White House press secretary Sean Spicer and Vice President-elect Mike Pence both denounced Buzzfeed's report from the podium as false and irresponsible.

Spicer called both the Buzzfeed and CNN reports a "sad and pathetic attempt to get clicks," noting that Buzzfeed's own report had acknowledged errors in the unsubstantiated document.


Have Spicer and Pence denounced Trump's lie that Obama's birth certificate is fake? Did they mention Trump's pathetic attempt to get media attention over Obama's birth certificate?

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AuntieM on Jan 12th, 2017 at 4:45am
BuzzFeed Defends Publishing Unverified Allegations About Donald Trump’s Russia Ties
Other news organizations declined to run the explosive claims that had been circulating for months.

NEW YORK ― BuzzFeed editor-in-chief Ben Smith on Tuesday defended publishing a 35-page dossier of unverified allegations Russian spies are said to have collected about Donald Trump, saying the website wanted to be transparent and “share what we have with our readers.”

“Publishing this document was not an easy or simple call, and people of good will may disagree with our choice,” Smith wrote in a memo to his staff. “But publishing this dossier reflects how we see the job of reporters in 2017.”

Major news organizations, including some that had the information since fall, haven’t published the unsubstantiated claims. The dossier is said to have included allegations that Russian intelligence has long cultivated Trump, that members of his inner circle received intelligence from the Kremlin, and that the president-elect participated in “perverted sexual acts” in Russia.

CNN drew attention to the allegations Tuesday when it reported how four top U.S. intelligence officials presented President Barack Obama and Trump with a two-page synopsis of the dossier. A former British intelligence operative reportedly compiled the research, which was first commissioned by anti-Trump Republicans and later by Democrats.

The decision by top U.S. intelligence agencies to notify the president and president-elect about these claims was clearly newsworthy, even if they remain unconfirmed. CNN acknowledged having reviewed the 35-page compilation of memos, but didn’t publish details because the allegations had “not been independently corroborated.”

When BuzzFeed published the dossier hours later, it noted that the allegations were “unverified” and that the document contained errors. In a memo after publication, Smith cited BuzzFeed’s own story giving “serious reason to doubt the allegations” and said the site was still investigating specific claims.

“Our presumption is to be transparent in our journalism and to share what we have with our readers,” Smith wrote. “We have always erred on the side of publishing. In this case, the document was in wide circulation at the highest levels of American government and media. It seems to lie behind a set of vague allegations from the Senate Majority Leader to the director of the FBI and a report that intelligence agencies have delivered to the president and president-elect.”

Former Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) apparently referenced the dossier when writing in an October letter to FBI Director James Comey that “it has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government.”

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AiA on Jan 12th, 2017 at 4:49am
this is the Coming of the Karma Bus if there ever was one ...

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AuntieM on Jan 12th, 2017 at 4:53am

AiA wrote on Jan 12th, 2017 at 4:49am:
this is the Coming of the Karma Bus if there ever was one ...

Clinton's caught hers...with any luck Soros is going to catch his...
I don't know about Trump, just going to watch and wait.  To my knowledge, he's not as vile a sociopath as Clinton, so even though he's not my choice, he's not the worst possible outcome of the election.
Worst case scenario, there's Pence, and a few more years to better organize a third party to keep the sleazy entrenched politicians out of power.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by AiA on Jan 12th, 2017 at 5:15am

AuntieM wrote on Jan 12th, 2017 at 4:53am:

AiA wrote on Jan 12th, 2017 at 4:49am:
this is the Coming of the Karma Bus if there ever was one ...

Clinton's caught hers...with any luck Soros is going to catch his...
I don't know about Trump, just going to watch and wait.  To my knowledge, he's not as vile a sociopath as Clinton, so even though he's not my choice, he's not the worst possible outcome of the election.
Worst case scenario, there's Pence, and a few more years to better organize a third party to keep the sleazy entrenched politicians out of power.


Trump's karma is catching up with him now and will continue to as time goes by. The GOP will be reaping that as well.

Title: Re: Breaking News: Putin Guilty!
Post by aquascoot on Jan 12th, 2017 at 6:49am

AiA wrote on Jan 12th, 2017 at 5:15am:

AuntieM wrote on Jan 12th, 2017 at 4:53am:

AiA wrote on Jan 12th, 2017 at 4:49am:
this is the Coming of the Karma Bus if there ever was one ...

Clinton's caught hers...with any luck Soros is going to catch his...
I don't know about Trump, just going to watch and wait.  To my knowledge, he's not as vile a sociopath as Clinton, so even though he's not my choice, he's not the worst possible outcome of the election.
Worst case scenario, there's Pence, and a few more years to better organize a third party to keep the sleazy entrenched politicians out of power.


Trump's karma is catching up with him now and will continue to as time goes by. The GOP will be reaping that as well.


Trump has more money then he could ever spend.
He could just do what a lot of rich guys do and go and selfishly spend it and "pleasure himself".

But he didnt.
With a sense of contribution , he has manned up, crawled thru the mud, to give something back.

Not for the cry baby democrats, but for the good hard working middle class people who have been so betrayed by the cry baby and self centred democrats.

if there is such a thing as karma, then trump may evolve into some sort of God like being.

he is already an alpha amongst alphas, a winner amongst winner, a contributor amongst contributors.

he has already accomplshed more then the entire 60 million people who voted against him.
What have they accomplished.  the ability to be sooky cry babies. their karma is to remain forever, emotionally retarded bitter chodes

Title: Re: Poor Pathetic Pundits
Post by AuntieM on Jan 12th, 2017 at 7:38am

AiA wrote on Jan 12th, 2017 at 4:41am:

AuntieM wrote on Jan 12th, 2017 at 4:38am:
From NBC, 15 minutes ago.
Trump Addresses Russia, Ethics Concerns in Wide-Ranging Press Conference
by CARRIE DANN

Trump's remarks come just one day after CNN and other outlets, including NBC News, reported that briefing materials prepared for President-elect Trump included unverified reports that Russia has compromising information on him. Hours later, Buzzfeed published an unverified dossier claiming to detail Russia's efforts to cultivate Trump -- including by direct interactions with Trump surrogates -- and to collect compromising information about him. The document has not been authenticated by Buzzfeed, NBC News or any other media outlet. Trump's team and a Russian spokesperson have vehemently denied the accusations.

Before Trump even took the stage, incoming White House press secretary Sean Spicer and Vice President-elect Mike Pence both denounced Buzzfeed's report from the podium as false and irresponsible.

Spicer called both the Buzzfeed and CNN reports a "sad and pathetic attempt to get clicks," noting that Buzzfeed's own report had acknowledged errors in the unsubstantiated document.


Have Spicer and Pence denounced Trump's lie that Obama's birth certificate is fake? Did they mention Trump's pathetic attempt to get media attention over Obama's birth certificate?

I think maybe you need to go back and read up on 2008.  Trump didn't start anything with the birther crap.  In fact, it was started by the Clinton campaign when she was running against Obama.

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